all bs lol
#archived-modding-development
warped sinew
yeah just do it (tm)
vapid cape
How do I challenge NGG? Do I just change the 4th "false" to "true" in the global settings?
cunning lagoon
yup
if you turn hard mode on the fight starts on the second phase
which you can use for practice
and if it's off it starts on the first phase ofc
also you need to have killed nkg in your savefile for you to be able to fight IG/NGG
cunning lagoon
gl
vapid cape
Hmmm. It's just Infinite Grimm actually. I must have done something wrong.
Ah, I didn't save it. Duuurr.
Alright, so splash screen said Infinite Nightmare God Grimms before I got completely wrecked. I imagine this is the "score attack" version and I should change something else to have the basic fight?
copper nacelle
no
cunning lagoon
no that's the fight
he doesn't die if that's what you are asking
on the finite version he has 3.2k health so if you get past that you basically won
vapid cape
Alright. So just beat 3.2k to call it a kill.
cunning lagoon
yeah
angle said he was gonna implement an option to make him die
im not sure if thats in yet
i dont think so
flat forum
on?
copper nacelle
ngg
vapid cape
I like how he would be twice as hard for me if he didn't uppercut after divekicking.
It ensures he's ALWAYS jumping up into my greatslash
Bats are the most dangerous attack for me, even pufferfish ain't THAT terrible with a shmup background
cunning lagoon
bats are free
which one hits you
also 1080 is very good for the first time
congrats
vapid cape
The double bat. My general strategy is to stay at the right wall, paying attention to the floor spikes, nailing him with great slash every time he uppercuts. If I have the right spot and rhythm, I don't even have to look at Grimm much.
copper nacelle
ss midair between them
cunning lagoon
they fly above you
vapid cape
so when he throws bats I have to look off to the left to see where they are coming from and it trips me up
That "jump then stay on the ground" trick works fantastic.
Well, now that I know that, I'll probably be seeing phase 2 before long.
I expect it to be EVEN WORSE than this.
cunning lagoon
phase 2 is trash
void tree
wait, are there actually people who think that you beating aa's ngg is less of an achievement than kdt's? 
cunning lagoon
no it was just all in my head
i just felt like i didnt do it on the legit version
bc you all told me it was easier
void tree
ah, gotcha
cunning lagoon
the spikes do 4 masks at 1600 and second phase starts at 2400
vapid cape
Jesus. I'm not even CLOSE to done.
copper nacelle
second phase is death
cunning lagoon
yea i would straight up recommend stopping at 2.4k
it's not worth it
it's very unfun
and cancer
and dumb
copper nacelle
me irl
vapid cape
I kinda feel like this is ruining me for NKG. Next time I fight him in p5, I'm gonna be doing this stupid "greatslash his uppercut" thing.
vapid cape
Gaaah this is hard as fuck
copper nacelle
yes
vapid cape
Sometimes the safespot is crawling with spikes, and the answer is to ddark straight down on Grimm in those cases, but making the judgement call to do that in time isn't easy
vapid cape
I'm averaging 800-1000 per run here, just gotta stop getting sent down on death spirals as soon as things start to go wrong
Made it to 1600! Died in the pufferfish!
cunning lagoon
ok so i think the difficulty is like
0.1.1 > angle's ngg > 0.2.1
from hardest to easiest
copper nacelle
nice
void tree
which one was 0.1.1? 8 spike dmg in the final or did that one have double nkg
cunning lagoon
second phase has divekick into uppercut and double firebats instead of vanilla attacks
oh to answer your question yea that one has double nkg
vapid cape
son of a bitch, 2200
vapid cape
4 damage spikes are kinda assy
fallow pebble
I should just come back when I actually know enough to ask a better question than "how does one code shit"
flat forum
Well, be mroe specific
what do you want to code exactly?
People here will be able to help you with it for sure
fallow pebble
I appreciate but I realised I just messed up something really simple and have now fixed it
Thanks, though!
fallow pebble
Aye aye!
cunning lagoon
vapid cape
Alright, one more try and I'm taking a break
getting real sick of spikes suddenly being super mean at 1600. I SWEAR they deliberately angle at me and crowd my spot on purpose.
cunning lagoon
alright i beat him on 1221
lets go
got hella good rng on second phase so it was kinda free
warped sinew
maybe im imagining this but does ngg get faster as you damage him?
cunning lagoon
i think 56 mentioned that he gets a little bit faster at 800 damage
i've never noticed that
warped sinew
i feel he is faster after the second balloon?
yeah he defs get a bit faster
just played a little bit
beat my score
warped sinew
really i just have to learn the 2nd phase
but man... i really dont want to :/
hahhaha
vapid cape
FUCK. ME.
cunning lagoon
nice!
warped sinew
then boom he hit you 5 times?
vapid cape
died before I got 1700
warped sinew
yeah it happens lol
vapid cape
I'm actually getting a LITTLE MAD at how much you're at the mercy of these freaking spikes
This goes well until it doesn't.
cunning lagoon
nah they are fairly consistent
use dashmaster
fuck off ttacco
dashmaster sucks
vapid cape
How would that help necessarily? Is down dash particularly good?
floral furnace
eat shit because youre wrong
cunning lagoon
yeah in this particular fight you want to avoid moving horizontally
and shade cloaking vertically is very useful
vapid cape
I don't see it in theory. Most of the time I'd wanna do that, it's because a spike is coming up from right under me. I guess it'd save me if I was high up and feeling like one might jab over sideways at me, but I already ddark for that.
cunning lagoon
i'm not sure what exactly are you doing
but it's particularly good for the upslash
do you jump that?
sorry not upslash the uppercut
vapid cape
I do. I just jump over it and hit him in the back as he rises against the wall behind me.
cunning lagoon
yeah so if you happen to be in a situation where you have spikes at both sides
you shade dash through him as he goes up
that's most of the use it gets tbh
vapid cape
Yeah... but like I said, that's where I ddark. dashmaster would have quicker response time, but I'm having trouble seeing it worth throwing out one of my existing charms for it.
Maybe I'll experiment with it a bit tomorrow.
cunning lagoon
what do you have
vapid cape
I'm gonna try one last time here.
cunning lagoon
well you do you but consider getting used to dashmaster
it's not useful too often, but when it is needed it helps
vapid cape
I'm gonna go ahead and put it on now for this final try
I'm considering quick focus too. Thinking there's a chance I could sneak in heals under bats if I had the stones to try.
cunning lagoon
yes
quick focus gives you a completely free phase 1
but it's a waste of notches for phase 2
vapid cape
I still have absolutely no idea what hell awaits me then.
Alright. Time to jump into this one more time with a totally new strat I'm gonna fuck up instantly
cunning lagoon
i'll tell you that you definitely don't want to make the second phase harder than it needs to be
cunning lagoon
lmao
vapid cape
I was using hiveblood before in conjunction with stagger-heals.
cunning lagoon
vapid cape
It works decently well until I start panicking and taking 4 damage hits
cunning lagoon
alright there it is
second phase is actually kind of disappointing bc i dont play well but i get carried by good rng
oh well
cunning lagoon
yea so i originally beat ngg on the version you are playing rn but i was told it was easier than the old one
so i went back and did it on the old one
if you want to know ill have to spoil the second phase
vapid cape
Hhhnnngf. Hold the thought. I'm just gonna go turn on hardmode and see it for myself real fast.
cunning lagoon
sure
also @copper nacelle ^^ check
also i do have to say i still think the old version is easier than the current one
vapid cape
Oh. There's 2 of him. I'm almost disappointed.
copper nacelle
nice
vapid cape
well, 400 damage scored in that madness
copper nacelle
@leaden hedge
cunning lagoon
yea its really lazy design and cancer
vapid cape
Yeah. I'm not too much a fan.
cunning lagoon
if 2nd phase wasn't a thing ngg would probably be my favourite boss
not even modded boss
just boss in general
but oh well
vapid cape
Alright, what's new here compared to the old versions?
cunning lagoon
yea so on the old version you have pre nerf ddark so you can chain them and completely avoid dodging the pufferfish
but the second nkg spawns right after the 3rd pufferfish starts
so you are forced to spam ddark through that
so the downside of that is you start second phase with little soul
but it's easy to build up with soul eater and spell twister
on the lb version (the supposedly easier version) you can't chain ddarks but the second nkg doesn't spawn until the 3rd pufferfish ends
so you have to dodge the pufferfish but you go there with full soul
i was told that the old version was harder, i think they are about the same difficulty but the old version is a bit easier
vapid cape
Current version's identical to lb one?
cunning lagoon
yeah
vapid cape
Hm. Old one just kinda sounds cheesy with that final pufferfish.
cunning lagoon
yea if you weren't able to spam ddark it would be even more cancer and definitely the hardest version without a doubt
vapid cape
Speaking of, I don't really find it a problem in this fight. I'm at my most relaxed during puffer
the fireballs are the same as always and the spikes aren't even in the way half the time as you jump through like usual
cunning lagoon
yeah pufferfish can be rough every now and then but for the most part its fine
also im fuckin putting unsegmented kill in my titles
clickbaity af
vapid cape
Hmm. This double grimm phase sorta turns me off from trying this too seriously from now on.
cunning lagoon
yeah like i said
i recommend getting the first 2.4k down
bc it's really fun to figure out and to fight
then just abandon it
because it's not worth the effort
vapid cape
I did 2200, I'm gonna call that a "close enough" and try some hardmode IG next session instead I think
cunning lagoon
IG is really good
you'll love it
also do you happen to have a screenshot of your 2200
so angle can add you to the scoreboard
vapid cape
No, because it's a FAILURE, and not only that I'd be disqualified anyway on account of having Exaltation loaded
cunning lagoon
lmao dont worry about that
everyone has debug enabled even if we are not using it
or are we? 🤔
vapid cape
It's still slightly different because my soul eater and hiveblood are more effective than usual, and I used both of those to get my 2200
vapid cape
I did stay away from the "double damage becomes 1 damage at a soul cost" charm though because that one has the potential to break the game wide open.
cunning lagoon
yeah i thought you meant you had exaltation on but you weren't using the buffed charms
vapid cape
Nah. I stayed away from kingsmold carapace, but the faster hiveblood and better soul eater were definitely on.
cunning lagoon
right
vapid cape
I'll turn it off for the normal IG though to submit my scores. Actually, I'll probably just go charmless anyway like I did for Lost Lord
vapid cape
Yeah, probably right. Exaltation's going off and all else goes then.
But that's a tomorrow endeaver. I'm gonna go pass the hell out.
Good night!
cunning lagoon
tranquil glen
Help i updated mini debug but i did it on my laptop and i dont know how to send it to github
exotic venture
u install bash and git on laptop
tranquil glen
I installed git
I dont know what bash is
I did git init
But i dont know what to dp next
floral furnace
git push origin?
fuck i dont remember the complete syntax, but i know youre gonna need the link to the repo
copper nacelle
you can also upload file from GitHub if you're lazy
floral furnace
also if youre as paranoid as me just dump everything in some random text file first then leave it in the desktop just to be EXTRAAAA safe
cunning lagoon
also if youre as paranoid as me just dump everything in some random text file first then leave it in the desktop just to be EXTRAAAA safe
copper nacelle
also if youre as paranoid as me just dump everything in some random text file first then leave it in the desktop just to be EXTRAAAA safe
hollow pier
hi
cunning lagoon
hi
floral furnace
hi
compact sedge
hi
cunning lagoon
nice
tranquil glen
cunning lagoon
^
warped sinew
just watched your video and the ddark is just too good ahha
thats why i told wilbo to nerf it heheh i was there when he did it 😉
cunning lagoon
lmao
compact sedge
idk if you have tried this but for the old NGG trinomi just pogoed on top of the balloon
warped sinew
is there a way i can prac last phase?
compact sedge
yes, turn on hard mode
cunning lagoon
no need for pogos lol you just spam ddark
compact sedge
I didn't know the invulnerability overlapped until I watched that video
psure current DD you lose it for a few frames if you try to spam it, right graig?
warped sinew
yeah so i frames got nerfed from 0.3 seconds to 0.2 (i think i remember correctly) but there is another thing will put in that you lose your iframes on start up instantly if you dive while invincible a second time
so basically you cant spam it
because honestly, it was dumb before
cunning lagoon
and its still a really good spell but now you actually have to use your brain to use it effectively
you cant just mash a button and be invulnerable for an eternity
warped sinew
yeah, its not like it got nerfed into oblivion, it was just OP before now its just right
cunning lagoon
ye
floral furnace
uhh i think its a bit too big
hollow pier
looks fine to me
cunning lagoon
lmfao wtf
solemn rivet
I don't see what's wrong
cunning lagoon
there's nothing wrong with it because ttacco is a perfect human being
although he does like dashmaster... 🤔
cunning lagoon
yea let me just dash over this pit real quick ooops accidentally downdashed into death
floral furnace
then dont down dash lmao xd
compact sedge
ok are u actually giving the knight a cia hat
also how is it gonna wear it with the horns?
rain cedar
Holes in the hat
floral furnace
copper nacelle
rain cedar
But dashmaster
hollow pier
lmao using dashmaster
rain cedar
Same
hollow pier
why use that when you have hiveblood???
warped sinew
i think i might be ready now
hollow pier
wait but is there any place you side slash besides kingsmoulds
cunning lagoon
you fluke the kingsmoulds so you want to not have down pressed there
hollow pier
lol just ddark
floral furnace
dayum
compact sedge
damn
rip graig
it's weird to me that DL is the only one to have beaten NGG for the past 2 months and we are probably hours (or at worst days) from this changing.
cunning lagoon
now if graig gets to 3.2k he will have a higher score than me
bc his grimm doesnt die
compact sedge
true
cunning lagoon
im gonna have to go and take it back
compact sedge
rip
cunning lagoon
god damn it
weak lodge
nice unsegmented kill kurosh
cunning lagoon
Thanks
hollow pier
!
cunning lagoon
Lmao
hollow pier
❤
spice crystal
hey everyone! is there a list somewhere of the known PlayMakerFSM broadcast events?
copper nacelle
no
spice crystal
darn
rain cedar
Dump every fsm and look at global events
There's your list
How is this even possible?
I made it
compact sedge
wait is dlk ur alt @cunning lagoon ????
warped sinew
I wont be playing it for a while now lol
compact sedge
@rare girder
warped sinew
yeah wait a second lol
warped sinew
they're multiplying
fair rampart
@vapid cape In response to your suggestion - that's a side effect of Sagesoul currently
it makes nail attacks deal spell damage which pierces a lot of invulns
warped sinew
i didnt even realise but I only had 3 masks after the final balloon phase
got decent rng on the final phase thank god
fair rampart
hmm, that gives me a mod idea
I wonder what it'd be like if your own health bar was hidden during bossfights
warped sinew
charms are Strength, Soul Eater, Quick Focus and Wayward Compass
i like that idea
hide the HP in boss fights
wait a second there is a glitch at 4:30 I take 4 masks of damage
instead of 2
wtf
would have gotten I higher score without that lol wtf so weird
cunning lagoon
Nicw congrats
warped sinew
Thanks man, I never would have bothered to do it if it wasent for you doing it first
anyway its nearly 3am so im going to sleep. laters
cunning lagoon
dull junco
Hey all, new here. Is 1.3.1.5 the most recent API?
compact sedge
:thonkiance:
flat forum
hey
can you
how tf do you even get past Balloon 1
how do you not get extremely stupid spikes that hit yo 127% of the time?
compact sedge
dodging. descending dark when that doesn't work. getting lucky
flat forum
for me 90% of the time he uppercuts I choose between being hit by the flame or being hit by the spikes
...how
compact sedge
stand near but not right next to the corner
and if you don't have room to dodge both the ball and spikes you can either dash downwards with perfect timing to dodge the fireball or DD downwards
cunning lagoon
@compact sedge lmao no but im pretty sucre i know who that is
compact sedge
hmmmmmmmmmm
cunning lagoon
Ig he thought it would be funny to nickname himself muy name
Truly a hilarious prank
Muy*
My*
compact sedge
muy
cunning lagoon
I have to turn pff autocorrcet
copper nacelle
*on
flat forum
pff
fair rampart
🍴 
weak lodge
plucky fog
how should I start modding
solemn rivet
there are example mods in the api github
plucky fog
alright
summer badge
the examples are kinda icky tho
i learned off of lightbringer, glass soul, and asking for help
solemn rivet
except that it sucks
summer badge
i think im gonna ditch my spell only mod cause i dont actually think theres a way to make it not op
not to mention that 0 nail damage makes it impossible to leave the first area cause you cant break the door
solemn rivet
I was gonna make a component for bosses with which you could add things like spell/nail invulnerability, regen and stuff
make it 1 nail damage
or give the player vs at the start
but make it small and do little damage
and make the nailmaster upgrade your spells
idk
summer badge
it might be a good idea to update more saves sometime soon, cause it's a useful mod but it'll make all your current saves corrupt
PlayerData.instance.RUN_SPEED_CH_COMBO = 4000000000f;
there we go
solemn rivet
@plucky fog need any help?
plucky fog
yeah
solemn rivet
how can we help you?
plucky fog
I'm thinking of starting modding, actually
solemn rivet
uh-huh
plucky fog
but I don't know where to even begin
solemn rivet
can you code?
plucky fog
depends what language
but yes, I can easily learn
and I've learned a few languages already
solemn rivet
ok
so, you'll need VS and dnspy
VS to actually write the mod
dnspy to look at code and figure stuff out
plucky fog
where can I get them?
mellow prairie
google 
plucky fog
alright...
so what are the main things in Hollow Knight coding
like
the variable names
that stuff
solemn rivet
yup
summer badge
i recommend downloading a mod or two and looking at them, and you'll pick it up quickly
plucky fog
alright, sounds good
solemn rivet
don't need to download them, just check their codes on github
summer badge
the free one
solemn rivet
community I think
weary stream
Okay, I've never posted here because i'm too shy <_< but i had to show this, tell me if you see something :P
https://puu.sh/BAliL.jpg
weary stream
yeah, it was hard as fuck but its working
solemn rivet
can you like
rain cedar
That looks a lot more useful than the screenshot minimap
solemn rivet
replace Charming's minimap with that?
weary stream
the only things missing are the pins and some bugs (specially unregistering)
solemn rivet
you wouldn't mind, right sean?
weary stream
what charming minimap?
i make it work with the compass right now
if you have the compass it shows
summer badge
do you need the wayward compass for it to show your current location
solemn rivet
Charming's compass is basically that
summer badge
oh oof
rain cedar
Charming needs to be updated to godmaster first
solemn rivet
but an actual pan of the area
weary stream
yeah but in this case it shows the minimap itself, not just the location
solemn rivet
does it? Wasn't it only breaking because of monomod hooks?
summer badge
honestly a minimap would be so useful for hk
solemn rivet
yeah, but yours is way better Wyvern
summer badge
it doesnt fit the theme but it's helpful af
solemn rivet
that was my initial idea for the charming compass
weary stream
with monomod hooks are you talking about those weird orig_ hooks?
plucky fog
uh
weary stream
from On namespace
solemn rivet
but since sean was the one who went and did it, I just let it as it was
plucky fog
installing VS and it's giving me all these weird options
solemn rivet
yeah, those
plucky fog
solemn rivet
flowey: you need .net
weary stream
yeah they are kinda broken but i managed to get it working
weary stream
i had to make half a gamemap class on my own tho
solemn rivet
yup
weary stream
its basically a copy of the game map but working standalone
solemn rivet
also, that's not it, Wyvern
weary stream
also it doesnt lag btw
solemn rivet
they had a bug where if you tried to unhook an event that wasn't hooked, it would crash
weary stream
oh what
solemn rivet
and 0x0ade has since fixed that
weary stream
ModHooks.Instance.HeroUpdateHook += new HeroUpdateHandler(HeroUpdate);
ModHooks.Instance.CharmUpdateHook += new CharmUpdateHandler(CharmUpdate);
UnityEngine.SceneManagement.SceneManager.sceneLoaded += this.UpdateMinimap;
UnityEngine.SceneManagement.SceneManager.activeSceneChanged += UpdateMinimap;```these are my hooks rn
solemn rivet
like if you did On.HeroController.doSomething -= lol(); before actually doing On.HeroController.doSomething += lol(); it would crash
solemn rivet
and charming does that - unhooking before hooking
weary stream
when i tried using On hooks it did really weird things like black screens or not being able to get to another room
solemn rivet
because you need to call orig whenever you use an On. hook
plucky fog
holy hell, that's a large download
weary stream
oh, its empty
well, not exactly empty, i was trying something so its there but its empty
did i do something wrong with it?
rain cedar
Ok but how is it not an error to add a class instance to a hook?
I just don't understand
weary stream
i dont understand what are you talking about either xD
rain cedar
No wait the second
ModHooks.Instance.CharmUpdateHook += new CharmUpdateHandler(CharmUpdate);
weary stream
um, well i'm used to visual studio but most of the hooks things i learned from where from charming source code on github and dnspy on other mods
void tree
weary stream
i know i'm not the best but i got it working xD
void tree
rain cedar
But charming doesn't do hooks like that
And I'm not saying you did it in a bad way
I actually just don't understand that code
Like how that would work
weary stream
well, i would like to know why i did wrong, i just dont see
solemn rivet
can you show us your full code?
rain cedar
I'm not saying it's wrong
weary stream
you would probably call me monster if you see the minimap code
solemn rivet
like, in a github or something
rain cedar
It just makes no sense to me that it would even compile
weary stream
i can actually upload it to github, its not finished but it works
yeah
Ah btw, it was going to be part of a bigger mod so dont mind the name
summer badge
btw is there a more efficient way for me to upload mods to the drive rather than having to ask 56 to do it for me every time
weary stream
how do i upload the files to github btw?
rain cedar
solemn rivet
umm sean, take a look at trinomi's files real quick, if possible
rain cedar
What files?
solemn rivet
I asked him to post here, seemed more fitting
weary stream
damn i'm really lost with github
rain cedar
So there's an NRE in here https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/blob/master/Assembly-CSharp/ModHooks.cs#L36
That makes no sense
solemn rivet
yup
rain cedar
There's so many null checks
solemn rivet
lots of nre's in the output log as well
really weird that's only happening to trinomi too
rain cedar
There's only one thing it could be
LoadGlobalSettings is failing so _globalSettings.ModEnabledSettings throws an error
That also makes no sense, though
There's a try/catch for making new settings if it breaks
solemn rivet
at Modding.ModHooks.get_GlobalSettings () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Modding.ModHooks..ctor () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Modding.ModHooks.get_Instance () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at ChangeFontByLanguage.SetFont () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at ChangeFontByLanguage.OnEnable () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 ```@void tree Send your api global settings from the save folder
ModdingApi.GlobalSettings.json
void tree
solemn rivet
uhhh
rain cedar
void tree
rain cedar
Nice it's worse
plucky fog
alright so
rain cedar
Is the new global settings 0 bytes too?
plucky fog
Doesn't sound very trustworthy
solemn rivet
can you send it?
void tree
rain cedar
It's a keylogger that spies on your dn
solemn rivet
flowey: that's a program that lets you "spy" into other dlls
rain cedar
Those settings are fine
solemn rivet
I think it's based off of ilspy
rain cedar
Can you send your logs again now?
void tree
void tree
solemn rivet
just open the game's Assembly-Csharp.dll with it
rain cedar
solemn rivet
same
plucky fog
so I open dnSpy with the visual assembler?
rain cedar
Are these current? This ModLog has no errors and the output_log shows you loading a save
solemn rivet
NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
at CameraController.LateUpdate () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 ```no, just open dnspy, it's an .exe
plucky fog
so I just run it?
solemn rivet
yup
rain cedar
I would ignore the CameraController error, we don't touch that
void tree
oh, now it magically works
solemn rivet
and then you use it to open the assembly
plucky fog
there's a couple dnSpy files
solemn rivet
it's literally dnspy.exe
plucky fog
should probably say that this isn't the PC I use to play the game
can I still mod on it?
solemn rivet
uhhh
you need the assembly tho
but you can download the api and it works the same
rain cedar
You're not gonna be able to test things without the entire game
Good luck modding without testing
plucky fog
guess I'll do this on that PC then
solemn rivet
oh yeah, you need the other assemblies as well
plucky fog
well then, thanks!
hollow pier
everyone from tc probably
young walrus
void tree
anyway, Thanks for the help gradow and sean 
copper nacelle
Sean you can hook with a new Handler (method) instead of just method iirc
solemn rivet
how's that work 56?
copper nacelle
idk but if you decompile a hook that's what you'll get
it's the same as += method afaik
solemn rivet
copper nacelle
I got the weird empty menu thing yesterday when I was quitting out sometimes
weary stream
If it wasnt a popular page i would say github is the demon <_<, uploaded guys: https://github.com/WhiteWolf93/OverhaulMod
there you go, the minimap code
solemn rivet
I got the weird empty menu thing yesterday when I was quitting out sometimes
summer badge
what would you guys think of a mod for a new gamemode that essentially puts a timer on your gameplay so your soul constantly drains little by little, and if it reaches 0 you die
to encourage fast play rather than being slow and methodical
rain cedar
Go for it
leaden hedge
Isn't berserk mod like that
weary stream
is there something wrong with having only one hero hook? <_<
solemn rivet
no
summer badge
berserk mod?
leaden hedge
But HP instead of soul
solemn rivet
it doesn't kill you
rain cedar
There's nothing wrong with it except it makes no sense that it compiles
solemn rivet
berserk mod is kinda like A2's berserk mode in Nier automata
summer badge
im gonna call it like Hourglass Soul or somethin
solemn rivet
you press a button, your health starts draining and you get a damage multiplier
weary stream
but thats what vs asks
otherwise it gives me an error
oh nvm i see what you mean (dunno why it gave an error before)
rain cedar
Oh that's the delegate from the api
weary stream
i'm new to delegates btw
rain cedar
Really weird way of hooking is all
solemn rivet
what happens if you replace new HeroUpdateHandler(HeroUpdate); with HeroUpdate;?
solemn rivet
ok
weary stream
It isnt finished yet (it doesnt have a way to work if the minimap is null basically)
once i finish it i will upload it once more
rain cedar
There's already an image like that in the game
weary stream
you mean adding something like the icon when you dont have a map right
solemn rivet
oh yeah
weary stream
yeah
solemn rivet
there's that
rain cedar
For when you hold map button in an area before buying map
weary stream
um, i didnt test it on indoors or white palace yet
pins dont work either yet
excepts the ones that the map has itself
plucky fog
well, thanks for the help, Gradow!
weary stream
not sure if thats a bad thing
solemn rivet
nice
weary stream
yeah
solemn rivet
sean+kerr
weary stream
i see
solemn rivet
I suggested the compass and swarm changes, but sean is the one who actually implemented them
solemn rivet
yup
weary stream
i thought it was an actual minimap
rain cedar
It's pretty bad yeah
weary stream
gotta take a bit to finish it, its the first mod i do on hollow knight
it might crash and do weird stuff the first versions as well... xD
solemn rivet
that's fine
weary stream
^^
I may question, does someone worked already with changing maps and stuff? like map editors or minor map changes
solemn rivet
nes was working on a map editor, but has had some difficulties
aside from that, sean had actually implemented some map changes in the previous rando mod
iirc you can only use things that are already present on the scene
copper nacelle
you can load from resources or lose another scene and copy an object
weary stream
i was trying to work around that, i managed to get all the assets from the resources, but nothing about the enemies, bosses or entities, only particle effects, portraits and stuff like that
solemn rivet
the only way I can think of is doing it a-la enemy rando
weary stream
weary stream
I think there is a way to read all the assets in the game rather than on the resources file
rain cedar
There's map changes in the current randomizer too
weary stream
thats what uses the enemy rando but it feels really...
oh
which of the randomizers?
copper nacelle
🅱ando 2
weary stream
gonna check that but its probably just a copy of gameobjects isnt it?
summer badge
is there a more efficient way to write drain = drain * 3;
solemn rivet
drain *= 3 ?
summer badge
that's a thing?
copper nacelle
yes
summer badge
ive never seen that used before
weary stream
i guess you come from lua xD
summer badge
ive seen += and -=
copper nacelle
drain /= 1/3f;
weary stream
you can use + - * / with it
solemn rivet
no, bad 56
weary stream
also %=
solemn rivet
there's also =+ and =-, right?
copper nacelle
what
solemn rivet
or not
summer badge
no?
weary stream
i think thats wrong xD
solemn rivet
oh
summer badge
what would that even mean
copper nacelle
post fix +=
weary stream
= <=
solemn rivet
I'm thinking of something else...
copper nacelle
x =+ 7;
rain cedar
Is that even different?
solemn rivet
how does that work
solemn rivet
oh
summer badge
what's the modhook for when you respawn
solemn rivet
didn't even know C did unary addition
copper nacelle
player dead
rain cedar
Don't think me you fucks he said health before the edit
copper nacelle
^
leaden hedge
Just use it on bench
summer badge
maybe i can just set it so if you're sitting at a bench your soul is maxed
leaden hedge
Rather than death
summer badge
i was gonna do that anyway
ornate rivet
x =+ 7;
works in java too I think
leaden hedge
There's a charm update hook for benches iirc
copper nacelle
neat
summer badge
i just put it under playerupdatehook for atbench
weary stream
that way if you sit you get the soul aswell
summer badge
hopefully that'll work
weary stream
I noticed that if i want to test indoor minimap i need a savefile with either the white palace or the good home thingy and i'm not that far in the game yet :<
copper nacelle
wtf
copper nacelle
solemn rivet
also, for the godhome, just start a new save with godmaster mode active
copper nacelle
ok so =+ anything is like = (int) anything
weary stream
godmaster mode active?
copper nacelle
I think
weary stream
i think i have to beat the pantheons first
solemn rivet
beat pant3
weary stream
yeah...
copper nacelle
@ 753 beat pan 3
weary stream
i bought the game a few days ago
copper nacelle
yeah I just didn't get what the + did
weary stream
so i'm not that far yet
solemn rivet
you should def play the whole game then
weary stream
and the other file save is... welll.. dead
compact sedge
isn't x += y and x = +y the same since spaces don't really matter for math in programming?
hollow pier
weary stream
yeah, i dont know if i will have the minimap today but im pretty close
solemn rivet
not += AA, but =+
weary stream
btw, did someone read the minimap code? so i could know if it looks too much spaghetti
copper nacelle
copper nacelle
is gamemap built in
weary stream
its not built in, although i had to remake some methods to make the minimap work, its an standalone map using game map as reference for some values (maps you have, position of the character etc...)
compact sedge
oh speaking of modding I have to ping @leaden hedge with two questions:
- does unity engine version matter when making asset bundles
- how do you make asset bundles that aren't corrupted. 56 graciously made one for me but it crashed UABE and HK when I tried loading it in a mod.
(I can't generate the bundle myself because it requires using a windows only unity plugin, but I could send the one he generated or the data he used to generate it with)
compact sedge
how about no
rain cedar
I'm just hoping they give up on the tablet style ui for the next windows
compact sedge
there is no next windows
rain cedar
So I can switch to that before they start charging for windows 7 updates
compact sedge
enjoy tablet style for the rest of eternity
the best you can hope for is them to bring back desktop style for one of their bi yearly updates before they remove it again in a later one
compact sedge
surface laptops are such trash devices
river eagle
almost macbook tier
compact sedge
they're expensive af and they're that pricy because they are designed in such a way that the only way to repair them is to throw them out and get a new one so they need to be expensive or they would lose money on their warranty
and yes apple does the same thing
rain cedar
That describes any laptop tbh
compact sedge
but it doesn't make it ok for MS to do it
tbh yeah
but like
at least I can open my laptop with a shitton of prying (I did to upgrade the ram)
hollow pier
don't use it so it never breaks lol
compact sedge
and I don't need a heat gun
and also the ram and ssd aren't soldered on
and also I don't need to knife away at the felt part
river eagle
Have you heard of the new Apple "LIQUID RETINA" shit
rain cedar
ow
compact sedge
liquid retina?!?!?!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAA My EYES ARE LIQUIDDDDD
river eagle
woahh it sounds so cool, it must be the greatest technology ever made..
compact sedge
;noeyes
rain cedar
Doesn't retina just mean higher resolution?
compact sedge
higher DPI
river eagle
yeah but not only that
the "liquid retina" display they have
is just a regulard LCD
nothing special
and not only THAT
rain cedar
Nice
river eagle
but the Iphone XR has the SAME DPI as the FUCKING iPhone 4
yes the iphone 4 released in 2010
no actually it has LOWER DPI than the iPhone 4
it's that pathetic
and they actually sell that shit for 800€
compact sedge
I had a 4. it was my last smartphone. It was a really good phone for the time. Had it for 4 years.
hollow pier
why was i kicked from frog's again
compact sedge
wow what an artifical and shitty way to get activity
hollow pier
imagine actually using global emote servers lmao
rain cedar
Yeah my alternative solution is to just rejoin
hollow pier
i've rejoined twice now
rain cedar
They have a gambling bot too
hollow pier
it's just the captcha that's annoying tbh
rain cedar
So if you're just really lucky you can get the role easy
hollow pier
h
rain cedar
It's because he's Seanpr56 in the deaths gambit server
I think
Idk why else it would do this
hollow pier
urite
hollow pier
nice
rain cedar
Need room for emote servers
solemn rivet
really shit game
can't believe how much I hoped it would be good
but it was such shit
hollow pier
is this you except three different people
weary stream
can someone test something in a minute? I need to know if when you enter nightmare grimm (or infinite grimm) you still have the quick map
because if you dont i fucked up hard with something xD
even without the mod
mellow elbow
Oh yeah, I'll probably start looking into modding and such later this evening
exotic venture
oh boy really now
native wing
what
exotic venture
welp. guess I'll just look at screenshots of the game and not buy it
mellow elbow
I may need help while I bumble around like an idiot for a bit
weary stream
Csstform, you dont have mods done yet right?
weary stream
I didnt like Death's gambit art at all (personal likes), it looks too much like dark souls imo
solemn rivet
well, that's pretty subjective. But there's no denying the spritework is damn good
contrary to, say, Salt and Sanctuary
which is a great game, but awful art
weary stream
I know a guy that says that celeste art is garbage and salt and sanctuary art is godly so...
<_<
i think all is subjective when its about art
rain cedar
Salt and sanctuary looks like crap lol
That's just objective truth
It's a really solid game, though
mellow elbow
I do not have any mods done for this game, no
solemn rivet
subjective: you like or dislike that piece of art. Objective: the art is of bad quality or not
weary stream
how do you know objectively that the art has bad quality or not? xD
something could be designed on purpose
hollow pier
subjective: you like or dislike shitmodst objective: shitmodst is good
solemn rivet
well, yeah
basically what ptk said
I'm not discarding aesthetics
like, S&S art, however bad it is, somehow fits the game's aesthetics
it's like the whole point of post-modern art - something doesn't have to be beautiful to convey meaning or deliver a text
weary stream
You guys look like you know a lot about art, i might need to ask for future feedback soon or later 😛
weary stream
#art-discussion is only for hollow knight
rain cedar
Angle is pretty good at drawing tbh
solemn rivet
and papers
weary stream
so its fine to post non hollow knight art in #hk-art-gallery?
solemn rivet
here's how bad I am:
I'm a mathematician who can't even draw a semi-good circle
or a semi-straight straight line
weary stream
or art discussion for feedback
rain cedar
Circles are easy just use whatever the circle thing is called
solemn rivet
also Wyvern: sure, I've seen pokemon art and other stuffs there
oh I'm pretty good with those, sean
mellow elbow
Eh circleish things are easier
weary stream
I use a tablet, pixelart and art kinda similar to hollow knight, although i'm not good with that kind of art yet (fuck the shapes)
solemn rivet
what do you call those circle-drawing-thingies in english?
we call them compasses in pt-br
so confusing smh
rain cedar
Yes that sounds right
mellow elbow
yes
weary stream
its compass in sp too
solemn rivet
wut
mellow elbow
originally used for maps
mellow elbow
spanish?
mellow elbow
espanol
weary stream
compass in english
solemn rivet
that only makes it worse then
compact sedge
yeah I'm the best at drawing
weary stream
wut
compact sedge
you should see the cursed art I'm making for my shitty meme mod