archived-modding-development

[cunning lagoon]

i mean i'm sure most people don't even read those channels

[leaden hedge]

most people don't read modding

but it doesn't need a role

[compact sedge]

yeah like is the role to filter idiots from talking in the SR channels because if so I think literally their names are enough to stop people.

[cunning lagoon]

anyway you could argue that having the other channels visible to the public is good because strats, route changes etc are posted there

[compact sedge]

ok but why read only

[cunning lagoon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

does it really matter

if you don't have the role why would you want to speak there in the first place

[cunning lagoon]

lmao

[compact sedge]

wow holy shit me and fae on the same page for once

[rain cedar]

Good thing only people without the role can shitpost

[leaden hedge]

saying stuff is gay is gay

[copper nacelle]

u

[leaden hedge]

ur mum is gay

[copper nacelle]

ur granny tranny

[leaden hedge]

ur granpap a trap

[copper nacelle]

ur ancestors incestors

[leaden hedge]

ur sister a mister

[copper nacelle]

ur family reunion homosexual communion

[compact sedge]

@cunning lagoon to answer your question consider this

[river eagle]

#archived-modding-development high iq

[leaden hedge]

my iq is double digits

ur jelly

mad jelly

[cunning lagoon]

well that made up situation is something that should probably be changed

they should let you speak in #races-discussion if you have the racer role

i am with you on that

[river eagle]

wait wha

[rain cedar]

Leaving debug logs in pr smh https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/pull/21/commits/06871bfb0f56c5a6aa1bdd995bc31f45e1918a5e#diff-1af35675ca86f95db04f95d55613a2c5R863

[river eagle]

you can't speak there without the speedrunner role?

[cunning lagoon]

nah

[compact sedge]

nope

[copper nacelle]

yeah i should probably remove that

[compact sedge]

I checked

[copper nacelle]

also the wrong todo

brb

[compact sedge]

30 minutes ago

[cunning lagoon]

also it's not like you need to be a wr holder or something to get the role

you can just

ask for it

[compact sedge]

Look I need to finish redwing CP2 before I can run it

[river eagle]

yeahh.. I'm not sure if it's intentional that you can't message there without the speedrunner role

[cunning lagoon]

yeah i'd change that prob

on an unrelated note, they are getting close to 50k

[compact sedge]

and I'm part of the problem. haha yes

[cunning lagoon]

yeah you are a truly problematic individual

[frosty igloo]

Can I ask why stuff like this is discussed in #archived-modding-development just curious

[cunning lagoon]

no

[frosty igloo]

Ok

[rain cedar]

#archived-modding-development is the only place aa talks

[frosty igloo]

Aa(h)

[rain cedar]

h

[copper nacelle]

h

[frosty igloo]

Hn't

[compact sedge]

I mean I talk in other servers but those aren't real

[rain cedar]

I'm not in those servers though

[cunning lagoon]

Sean is in frog's dream world wtf

and i saw him react to a message a few days ago

[rain cedar]

[cunning lagoon]

what is happening

[copper nacelle]

[fair rampart]

think I'm gonna stop work on exaltation for a while

i'm pretty burnt out on hk

[vapid cape]

Awww. It was just gettin' good!

[exotic venture]

it's already a good mod

[vapid cape]

Yeah, but it was growing fast

[fair rampart]

I can't really think of much else to do in the way of giving glorified variants to charms that haven't already received them

[exotic venture]

[fair rampart]

at least, none that the code supports

[exotic venture]

ok fair

[fair rampart]

there are 11 total (discounting fragile/unbreakable ones) charms that don't have glorified variants: heavy blow, longnail, mark of pride, flukenest, defenders' crest, elegy, spore, dream wielder, weaversong, dreamshield, and grimmchild/melody

there are 11 total (discounting fragile/unbreakable ones) charms that don't have glorified variants: heavy blow, longnail, mark of pride, flukenest, defenders' crest, elegy, spore, dream wielder, weaversong, dreamshield, and grimmchild/melody

longnail and mark of pride are already fine imo
heavy blow... is heavy blow
flukenest would be okay with a cost reduction but old saves already have 2-notch instead of 3-notch and that might break it
crest doesn't really have anything to glorify
elegy seems to be incompatible with making it work when at full hp
I can't think of anything for spore
dream wielder is already staggeringly strong
weaversong could maybe have more weaverlings but I've had no luck with that
dreamshield could maybe be 2 notches, that's possible
merging grimmchild and melody would be easy but not melody and grimmchild if that makes sense

but 23 charms do have glorified variants and I think that's a pretty good number for what I've learned so far

I'd probably be more motivated to work on it but my skills have been lacking in godmaster and I don't have the patience to hone them after I spent so long learning PV

I spent all that patience getting radiant pure vessel, I don't have the drive to radiant all bosses, learn absrad like the back of my hand, do all-bindings, etc

I'd like to, but I don't, so I just need a break

[exotic venture]

take your time

good thing about api mods is that they'll stay relevant as the api gets updated

well. if you aren't using anything terribly old, like 1.2.x.x stuff

[vapid cape]

A break may be good. Something may come to you later.

[fair rampart]

ntm, it's already quite jampacked

it has a tangible progression line and adds rewards that I feel like are decently balanced

well, a little on the strong end, but not outright overpowered anymore

so it's in a good spot

[vapid cape]

Yeah. Maybe. It's all good

[floral furnace]

so uhh that ping is fixed now yes? alright

also that has no way to affect nail hitbox since it literally just changes the hit instance damage and nothing more

i think

hopefully, probably

[copper nacelle]

no

you need to give timesink stamina mod

[floral furnace]

time what now

[flat forum]

Some new form of black coding magic

[copper nacelle]

@ timesink#6932

[rain cedar]

69 haha

[flat forum]

Hah.

[floral furnace]

haha le epic number 😂

[leaden hedge]

no

420 is the epic number

only numbers more epic are 1337 and 6969

[floral furnace]

420 more like burn canada 🍁 🔥 amirite

[peak ocean]

I wonder how long it’ll be before someone makes a mod that has you fight pure vessel and nightmare king grimm at the same time

[copper nacelle]

[flat forum]

2 Nightmare Kings is already hard enough

first do a THK and Pure Vessel tigether fight

[copper nacelle]

abd

a🅱d

[flat forum]

this is so sad

н

[floral furnace]

also make their ost layer on top of each other too

[rain cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUPe-UCse_k

[floral furnace]

of course verulean already did it

[supple sigil]

@copper nacelle damage value for nerfed flukenest?

2 per fluke iirc

But with SS?

[tranquil glen]

anyone know where the game might store the current wave you're on in colo?

[rain cedar]

fsm

[tranquil glen]

rip

you know its name?

or just what level colo is?

[rain cedar]

Level? Like colo 1,2,3?

Probably just different scenes

[tranquil glen]

The new fsm viewer thing just opens a level file and you can see all the FSMs in that room or whatever

But the level files are all just named levelx

And theres like 500 of them

[floral furnace]

dunno if its just 56 but he had a list containing what those levels are which he used to check which bosses are in that scene as well

[tranquil glen]

any idea where i could get that other than pinging 56

[rain cedar]

SceneUtility.GetScenePathByBuildIndex

[tranquil glen]

just like log that or something?

[rain cedar]

Yeah

[tranquil glen]

crap

am i gonna have to install hk on my laptop

or can i do that without running the game

[rain cedar]

No you need the game

[tranquil glen]

rip

what do i use to log it

and where does it go

Logger.Log()?

[rain cedar]

It doesn't matter where you put it

And yeah Logger is good but it's an api thing

I assume you'll be doing this on 1.0.2.8

[tranquil glen]

yeah

so what should i use

[rain cedar]

Idk File.WriteAllLines is probably easiest

[copper nacelle]

@tranquil glen

[tranquil glen]

lol thanks

does soul always change in steps of 11?

[rain cedar]

No that's just nail hits

Without charms

[tranquil glen]

ok

[elder light]

Hey @rain cedar , apologies for the stupid question . I just installed the debug mode and nothing seems to happen?

[solemn rivet]

use the installer

[elder light]

I’m not tech savvy and first time installing a mod manually. I followed the instructions but nothing

Did installer as well

I’m just not sure what to expect really to appear

I don’t see any UI or anything

Is there a button I need to press?

[solemn rivet]

show me

[elder light]

Hang on

[rain cedar]

Changing IEnumerator to void is good

[exotic venture]

consume

[elder light]

sorry , something came up. here is a screenshot from the game

as i said im not quite sure what am i expecting to see.

[compact sedge]

you tell me

nah I kid

you need to use the installer

[elder light]

yep, launched it second time and it worked

thank you.

[solemn rivet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[elder light]

i launched it first, installed and then closed

and just thought that was it

[compact sedge]

wow alt shift up and down actually really useful on discord

[solemn rivet]

[compact sedge]

never knew about it until now tbh

[floral furnace]

i meant isnt just clicking on them faster

[compact sedge]

it goes between servers too

[floral furnace]

oh yeah it does

neat

[compact sedge]

also no it's not faster because I can keep both hands on the keyboard this way

which means I can start typing sooner

[floral furnace]

i mean not really a problem if you just grow 2 additional arms tbh /s

[solemn rivet]

become machamp imo

[compact sedge]

sorry I'm not a moth IRL

[frigid gale]

Big oof

[floral furnace]

not a moth, yet

[frigid gale]

yet.

Keyword angle

[solemn rivet]

wut

I've been bamboozled!

AA is not a moth irl

[frigid gale]

Ik

We've all been lied to.

[floral furnace]

what if the real moth was inside us all along

[frigid gale]

My god...

[compact sedge]

yet is the keyword

[frigid gale]

I was about to say is that from half then saw his sig

God dammit

[compact sedge]

ofc it is

[frigid gale]

Of course he did this.

Profit

[solemn rivet]

don't go down the rabbit hole, don't go down the rabbit hole

[frigid gale]

It's all too late.

[solemn rivet]

the moths will rise

[compact sedge]

Halfrose runs 5 goddamn hollow knight art blogs. I'm not even kidding

[floral furnace]

damn right

just 5? /s /s /s

[compact sedge]

smh I know right, and she's only drawn about 50% of all the pictures of hollow knight moths

[solemn rivet]

hey AA

[compact sedge]

like not even 100%

[solemn rivet]

we need to recruit another modder to the moth team

so we can have a moth trifecta

[compact sedge]

well 753 is the obvious choice since lightbringer.

[frigid gale]

I'd say Hiro is about 20% of the other ones then the remainign 30% is everyone else

[compact sedge]

but I'm down for anyone

[frigid gale]

Ya gotta have the moth musketeers

holy shit

[compact sedge]

Hiro is all the pen + paper drawings

[frigid gale]

thats a great idea

[floral furnace]

bets on hiro tbh that guys a moth god

[frigid gale]

yep

[solemn rivet]

hm...

TTacco

have you hear of our lord and saviour MOTH

[floral furnace]

😩 I Bask™ in her Light™ everyday 😩

[solemn rivet]

Moth did nothing wrong ™

also, AA

why not radiance.moth instead?

[compact sedge]

is moth a tld?

[solemn rivet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[compact sedge]

if so I'm buying it

[solemn rivet]

let's see

[compact sedge]

Soul, Fire, Light, Void. Long ago, the four groups lived together in harmony. Then everything changed when the light nation attacked. Only the redwing, master of all four elements could stop them. But when the world needed it most, it vanished. 100 years passed and I discovered the new redwing. A void creature named the knight, and although his nail weilding skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he's ready to do anything. But I believe redwing will destroy the world.

[solemn rivet]

this is turning into DS lore

not even kidding

[rain cedar]

Avatar copypasta

Turning into DS

Big think

[solemn rivet]

I mean

tl.dr

I only read the first 4 words

not even kidding

[floral furnace]

wdym Avatar is literally just dark souls like they both have fire in them

[compact sedge]

I knew it

[solemn rivet]

so, there's no .moth tld, but there's a .th

so you know what to do

radiance-mo.th

[frigid gale]

Good nough

[floral furnace]

whens the geocity website update

[solemn rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylFzJ3wRgHw let's adapt this as lore for our moths compilation mod

[compact sedge]

google domains says you can't buy .th

and namecheap doesn't sell it either

[solemn rivet]

it's thailand

[rain cedar]

Is that a screenshot of a .th site?

I can't even tell

There's like 10 pixels

[solemn rivet]

tfw when you click to zoom and the pic gets even smaller

[exotic venture]

nice

does this mean I can make whoms.th

[solemn rivet]

do you live in thailand?

[exotic venture]

is that a requirement

[solemn rivet]

idk

[rain cedar]

whom.st

[solemn rivet]

yup

[exotic venture]

it's already in use

sad

[solemn rivet]

ofc it is

risky click of the day

[rain cedar]

Wow whom.st isn't even a shitpost

It's some dumb blog

[exotic venture]

does whomst.ve exist

[solemn rivet]

.ve is a tld so maybe

[floral furnace]

i mean it has shithouse in it so its slightly a shitpost

[rain cedar]

It doesn't

[exotic venture]

sad

Venezuela

i... see

[solemn rivet]

@copper nacelle look, there's a .re tld

[floral furnace]

is this a venezuelan poodle moth reference

[exotic venture]

yes

[floral furnace]

i c

[copper nacelle]

reee.re

[solemn rivet]

even better

reee.ee

[rain cedar]

Can you actually buy straight up .ee domains?

Most of those country ones you can just get shit like .com.ee

[solemn rivet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[copper nacelle]

finna buy reeee.ee

39 bucks

nevermind

[compact sedge]

39 dollars

jesus

that's like 35 times what I paid

[hollow pier]

check tuvalu

[floral furnace]

not that bad, you just gotta lose one of them kidneys ya know where im getting at 😉

[compact sedge]

tulavu aka the domain for livestreaming.

[solemn rivet]

expensive af

[floral furnace]

then start a kickstarter

[solemn rivet]

you can't even buy .th ffs

[rain cedar]

This is more of a gofundme thing

[rain cedar]

Kickstarter is for actual projects not buying a funny domain

[solemn rivet]

also holy f 68 bucks

[floral furnace]

kickstarter patreon gofundme theyre all the same you put money in them then hope that they shit out something worth it for once /s

[rain cedar]

Kickstarter is for funding projects

Gofundme is begging for money for nothing

Patreon is just subscription donations

[floral furnace]

thx now i know why gofundme is the best one

[compact sedge]

no patreon is the best one because patreon is gofundme but you get recurring money

[hardy furnace]

Heya

How can I install Debug Mode?

I just want to take a quick screenshot

[steep sail]

#archived-modding-help

[hardy furnace]

k

[steep sail]

You can take screenshot in Steam. Or you need to off the UI?

[solemn rivet]

wdym

[graceful plover]

What is magolor skip?

[young walrus]

impossible

[graceful plover]

😨

[exotic venture]

TAS only skip

[graceful plover]

any example?

[young walrus]

getting thorns charm with only VS

getting to isma's tear with only dash, wings, and VS

that kind of stuff

[graceful plover]

😱

[young walrus]

aka.... not possible in real time

[copper nacelle]

sharp shadow monomon 😩

[cunning lagoon]

not with that attitude

[young walrus]

k. go get thorns then Kuro

[copper nacelle]

gradow did isma's and sharp shadow monomon

[young walrus]

no slow down

[graceful plover]

so if i preset it to magolor, that means i can't clear the game?

[exotic venture]

probably

[young walrus]

it means that mag skips COULD be in there

not that they are

[exotic venture]

depends on a seed-to-seed basis

but if you enable it, you have a chance to not finish the game due to skips yeah

[young walrus]

but yes, it's possible that you can't finish if you can't do the skips and they're required to progress per the logic

[tranquil glen]

Just do the skip

[exotic venture]

general rule of thumb: don't enable it

[graceful plover]

ok, get it

thanks!

[exotic venture]

np, it's good to ask before going in and being like "it's impossible, bad mod"

[solemn rivet]

^

Also, I did vs only thorns too

But didn't record it

And I didn't do isma's, that's literally impossible

I did do Unn tho

Unn with cdash, claw and djump

And dash+vs

Basically, isma's-less

[cunning lagoon]

gradow more like TASdow!!!

[graceful plover]

I actually saw that skip just now

Amazing

[young walrus]

there's no surface under that moss knight bridge thing that you could super dash off of right?

Just thinking if you super dash all the way left, then drop a little, super dash right, but under the bridge portion, then super dash off some wall or something back under that thing, maybe that skip is really easy

[solemn rivet]

I tried that mick, didn't work in 1315

[stone coral]

hi everyone , i just started modding my game and i wonder i f some now with mod i can use to make the game easier ?

[young walrus]

debug mod

[frigid gale]

make your nail dmg 1k with that

ez

[glossy pelican]

hey

i remember there was a save file decoder, can anybody give me a link?

[solemn rivet]

@copper nacelle u update rando2?

[cunning lagoon]

you absolute dungo

of course he did

[solemn rivet]

no u dungo

[copper nacelle]

@solemn rivet yes

[solemn rivet]

I papers u

[copper nacelle]

whatmst

[solemn rivet]

papers is love my friend

[cunning lagoon]

i gradow you

[solemn rivet]

[cunning lagoon]

Guess what it means 😃

[hazy sentinel]

Gradow is Thanks! ❤ my friend

[cunning lagoon]

hard disagree

[copper nacelle]

https://clips.twitch.tv/HelplessBusyEggnogRaccAttack

new save file too

[hollow pier]

is this 10 minutes

[cunning lagoon]

very watchable clip

[copper nacelle]

he dies to mawlek and respawns in colo

[cunning lagoon]

lma0 who dies to mawlek just get Good

actually nvm

[solemn rivet]

is that your fault 56?

[copper nacelle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cunning lagoon]

mediocre modder imo

[copper nacelle]

u

[cunning lagoon]

correct

[fleet quartz]

Anyone know if the HK enemy randomizer works on mac, or how to install mods manually on mac??

[rain cedar]

Fift

My bad

[solemn rivet]

wait

sean changed his un

wtf

[rain cedar]

I do that sometimes yes

[hollow pier]

no still seanpr96

[fleet quartz]

halp

[copper nacelle]

it works on mac

you can use the installer on mac

[cunning lagoon]

;installer

[hollow pier]

;unhide

[solemn rivet]

rellatsni

[cunning lagoon]

so do the spines from the spiny guys in qg just not do damage in 1221

[copper nacelle]

yes

[cunning lagoon]

fantastic

[solemn rivet]

the ones on the body or the ones it shoots?

[cunning lagoon]

the ones they shoot

[solemn rivet]

explain this 56

bet you can't

[cunning lagoon]

whats unofficial hollow knight patch

[copper nacelle]

pv statue has a new sprite

[solemn rivet]

AA made that

[cunning lagoon]

oh yeah i forgot

[solemn rivet]

fixes 1 sharp shadow glitch

[copper nacelle]

what are you talking about gradow

[cunning lagoon]

yeah the one wherre sharp shadow doesnt do damage or whatever

[cunning lagoon]

oh mb

i thought you meant the other thing

[solemn rivet]

my bad, 56, u right

[copper nacelle]

shh

[rain cedar]

Prove it

[solemn rivet]

also, DLK, that's the glitch, yeah

if you sharp shadow throught a tinkable object (like an enemie's shield) sharp shadow breaks

basically the fsm for sharp shadow is expecting something that never happens, so it gets stuck in a certain state

[cunning lagoon]

haha dumbass fsm

[solemn rivet]

the fix is literally one line telling the fsm to move past that state

also 56 it asked to update rando2

did you do anything else to it after changing the name?

[copper nacelle]

no

oh wtf

[solemn rivet]

oh

the xml reverted I guess?

[copper nacelle]

space irl

[solemn rivet]

oh

[compact sedge]

unofficial HK patch only fixes 1 thing because 1) idk what to fix. 2) fsms are like hard man

[solemn rivet]

fsms are hell

[fleet quartz]

Can anyone link me to a mod installer that works on Mac?

Everything is .exe

[solemn rivet]

I cannot fathom how kerr had the guts to rewrite hornet from fsm into code

[compact sedge]

yes I can

[copper nacelle]

first pin in #archived-modding-help does work tho

you just have to run it

using the command

[compact sedge]

https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe works on mac

[copper nacelle]

which is also in the pin

[cunning lagoon]

you mean ;installer?

[compact sedge]

see the pin in #archived-modding-help for instructions

[solemn rivet]

;installer works?

[cunning lagoon]

no

[solemn rivet]

oh

[cunning lagoon]

it should

[copper nacelle]

is this loss

[cunning lagoon]

@ Haliitti#4149

[copper nacelle]

@fleet quartz .

[solemn rivet]

literally, just check pins

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow pier]

what if i'm on unix????

[solemn rivet]

basically the same thing, ptk

you need to mono it

[cunning lagoon]

hey does the installer work on windows 95

[solemn rivet]

ye

[cunning lagoon]

asking for a friend

[compact sedge]

what if I'm running it on Solaris OS

[solemn rivet]

praise the sun

can I run the installer on my switch? Asking for a friend

[cunning lagoon]

hey guys so is debug updated for godmaster??

[copper nacelle]

what if i'm running it on reactOS

[hazy sentinel]

can the installer install a will to live? asking for a friend

[solemn rivet]

can I install passive essence into my game? Asking for veru

[compact sedge]

does the modding installer work on the NES and can it install super mario 3 mods?

[weak lodge]

can verulean do his homework? asking for a friend

hey does the mod installer work for that dumb game called hollow knight, haven't played it but looks like trash

[fleet quartz]

I don't have an Assembly-CSSharp.dull, am i suppose to download one or overwrite my non-existent one??...

[compact sedge]

oh smh, HK is just a dead cells ripoff

[weak lodge]

exactly

too linear for a metroidvania smh

[compact sedge]

I mean both are metroidvanias and they both look the same, aka trash. The only good looking game is Battlefield 1

[weak lodge]

super mario bros wiiu 🅱eter metroidvania

[hazy sentinel]

🅱eter

[weak lodge]

^

[compact sedge]

so which is the 🅱eter metroidvania. Rogue Legacy, or The Sims 4 and why?

[solemn rivet]

speaking of trash games

I just played Underhero

[weak lodge]

the sims four because it has dogs

dogs = metroidvania, right epic gamers

[compact sedge]

smh my head. If you need to rely on familiars it just means ur bad at the game

[solemn rivet]

Underhero = underwhelming af

[weak lodge]

lol i play the sims4 competitively get on my level 😩

underhero

more like

under- nevermind

[solemn rivet]

the parry mechanic is way better than Death's Gambit's

but then again

everything is

[compact sedge]

why is the video on steam you killing a white moth?

[weak lodge]

is it better than hk's?

[solemn rivet]

that's the first boss AA

I was gonna post a pic here

[hazy sentinel]

smh those damn black moths killing innocent white moths

[weak lodge]

this is mothism

this is a chickenwing

[compact sedge]

the First boss is a white moth? Jesus christ if that's where you're starting how on earth can it escalate?

[solemn rivet]

idk

I think there's a vampire of sorts there

[weak lodge]

first boss rad

[solemn rivet]

and the demon's boss laughs just like undertale's undyne

[weak lodge]

vampire?

[solemn rivet]

well, yeah

some rando bats you find keep talking about their boss

so I assume it's a vampire

[weak lodge]

ah

[solemn rivet]

or a giant bat

[hazy sentinel]

damn they really copied bonfire huh

[silk jetty]

the best part about randomizers is salubra selling ustrength

[solemn rivet]

also, I hate the artstyle

[cunning lagoon]

yes that's my favourite part too

[solemn rivet]

and the movement is so floaty

[weak lodge]

the character designs arnt for me, sorry gradow

[compact sedge]

why is all the pixel art different sizes

[solemn rivet]

idk

[weak lodge]

dead cells is a ripoff of irl dead cells change my mind

[compact sedge]

like I'm cool with pixel art but when it's all different sizes it usually looks kinda bad

[weak lodge]

consistency

[compact sedge]

is 🔑

[compact sedge]

if you ever can't open a locked thing, just use consistency

[weak lodge]

what is this

[solemn rivet]

boi even beglitched has better pixel art than this game

[compact sedge]

I don't think fractals count as pixel art veru. I mean that's not even really a fractal but yeah

[weak lodge]

someone on reddit was complaining about how super metroid requires you to open outragous hidden passages to progress, do you guys agree?

[solemn rivet]

well, it is AA

[silk jetty]

wow, I ddived down the area with the fossilized goam in it then realized I softlocked because no mantis claw

[cunning lagoon]

haven't played any metroid games

so yes i agree

[hazy sentinel]

wow responding with full sentences when literally everything i send is a shitpost

[solemn rivet]

the hausdorff dimension of that is non-integer, so it's a fractal

[compact sedge]

Well. there are some crazy hidden passages that you need to find that are stupidly located if you want max completion. But to beat the game you don't need it.

[weak lodge]

i dont find them outragous, EXCEPT THAT ONE OUTSIDE OF WRECKED SHIP IIKE WHAT THE FUCK

[compact sedge]

is the only definition of a fractal that the dimension is non-integer? Because the dimensionality of most letters are also non-integer

like the dimensionality of: 🅱

[solemn rivet]

what

[vapid cape]

Super Metroid isn't very obtuse for the most part, worst offender is the part where you just have to walk through a wall in lower norfair.

[solemn rivet]

every letter is a plane curve

[compact sedge]

oh no ur right

[vapid cape]

most everything else is either clearly signposted or revealed by a power bomb

[solemn rivet]

they all have dimension 1

[compact sedge]

im adungo

I don't know how math works sry

[solemn rivet]

nah, this area is technically out of my expertise, so I could be wrong

[hazy sentinel]

area haha get it

[solemn rivet]

[hollow pier]

Gradow factorial

[compact sedge]

but wait that assumes letters are infinitely thin if you zoomed in on them right?

[solemn rivet]

yeah

otherwise they are flat surfaces

and still non-fractal

only 2 dimensional now

[compact sedge]

would it be exactly 2 dimensional tho?

[solemn rivet]

well, yeah

[compact sedge]

idk how it works

[solemn rivet]

specially if it's on a screen of some kind

because it's made up of pixels you can count

so it's easy to calculate its dimension precisely

one easy way to see that it has integer dimension is to see that the boundary of each letter has finite length

which doesn't happen with "2d-fractals" such as sierpinsky triangles and such

[compact sedge]

I don't even know what that means. like if you look at sierpinsky triangles why wouldn't their boundary be finite?

[hazy sentinel]

🤔

[weak lodge]

[cunning lagoon]

hm nah its just infinite

[compact sedge]

like if I had a hypothetical real life sierpinsky triangle that was 1 inch tall wouldn't its boundary be within that inch

[solemn rivet]

well, there aren't real life sierpinsky's tho

because reality has a lower bound for size

[cunning lagoon]

yeah kinda like pi

[compact sedge]

ok but assume reality or whatever didn't have a lower bound like that molecules didn't exist and you could zoom in forever

[solemn rivet]

ok

[compact sedge]

it would still only be 1 inch tall, no?

[solemn rivet]

so

yeah

[cunning lagoon]

yeah it would be hella long 😛

[solemn rivet]

but by boundary we mean the perimeter

[hazy sentinel]

aa why

[compact sedge]

o I see

yeah

[solemn rivet]

it has finite area, it's easy to prove that

[hollow pier]

pove = npove

[solemn rivet]

(it's contained within a big enough ball, which has finite area itself, so anything inside it must have less area)

[hollow pier]

is this not the coastline meme

[solemn rivet]

basically, ptk

[compact sedge]

ok now this makes sense to me

[solemn rivet]

the only problem with the coastline stuff is that it's theoretically possible to calculate the actual perimeter of any coastline

but you'd have to use planck lenght

which is just

urgh

[compact sedge]

not really

[solemn rivet]

how do you even measure that

[compact sedge]

coastlines change constantly

[cunning lagoon]

OOF

[solemn rivet]

also that

[hazy sentinel]

just freeze time lol

[compact sedge]

you could only calculate the perimeter for one planksecond

[solemn rivet]

^

[compact sedge]

and actually even that's impossible

[hazy sentinel]

dw there won't be any coastlines in the future

[compact sedge]

because you can't measure the entire coastline all at once from one reference point because of the speed of light

[solemn rivet]

yup

but you can take pictures

[copper nacelle]

so it has a finite length but you just can't measure it?

[solemn rivet]

basically, 56

[compact sedge]

there's just things that can't be measured

[solemn rivet]

not deterministically, at least

[compact sedge]

I mean what the heck is the point of a non-deterministic measurement

[solemn rivet]

well, our current measures are non-deterministic in some sense

[compact sedge]

yeah but we chop off all the non-determinisitic digits with significant figures usually

[solemn rivet]

yeah, because we like to be wrong

and being wrong isn't necessarily bad

if it works

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hazy sentinel]

being wrong isn't bad if u release infinite notch mod

[compact sedge]

better to be slightly wrong but reliable than correct and useless is I guess what scientists decided on a long time ago and they are smarter than me

[solemn rivet]

basically, yeah

for some purposes, precision is better than usefulness, and for other purposes it's the other way around

it's like they say "approximate pi by 4 and the bridge won't fall"

[cunning lagoon]

just math better lol

[copper nacelle]

how do i die

[cunning lagoon]

let me know if you figure it out

[solemn rivet]

anyway, basically all I said could be wrong

[hazy sentinel]

yeah engineers use 3 to approximate pi

[solemn rivet]

I'm not very knowledgeable about topology of metric spaces or manifolds

[copper nacelle]

but did you know there's interactive c#

cause i sure didn't

[solemn rivet]

wut

is dat

[hazy sentinel]

d♭

[solemn rivet]

bad veru

[solemn rivet]

oh, yeah

I think dsnpy has that too

what's that do?

[copper nacelle]

run anything

[solemn rivet]

anything?

[copper nacelle]

most things idk

[solemn rivet]

can I run a switch emulator?

[copper nacelle]

assembly qualified names are pain

Type.GetType("MonoMod.RuntimeDetour.Detour, MonoMod.RuntimeDetour, Version=18.9.0.36164, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null")

[solemn rivet]

no

delet

delet

[copper nacelle]

i need it

i'm going to load monomod from an embedded resource

[solemn rivet]

y

[copper nacelle]

so i can runtime detour terraria

[solemn rivet]

y²

[copper nacelle]

because i want to up the enemy cap to 2k

so i'm gonna do runtime il manipulation ez

[cunning lagoon]

that sounds like a very good idea

keep it up

[weak lodge]

amiright

[cunning lagoon]

you heard him

port enemy rando to switch

[copper nacelle]

reeeeeeeeeeee

[weak lodge]

ecks dee

yea um

dunno if that would work

[cunning lagoon]

not with that attitude

[weak lodge]

lets call up nientendont real quick

wanna mod hk

[cunning lagoon]

or just ask wilbo to implement enemy rando into the base game real quick

[copper nacelle]

@solemn rivet u see

        private static void SetupMonoMod()
        {
            Type t = Type.GetType("MonoMod.RuntimeDetour.Detour, MonoMod.RuntimeDetour, Version=18.9.0.36164, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null");
            if (t != null)
            {
                ManipulateIL();
            }
            else
            {
                LoadMonoMod();
                ManipulateIL();
            }
        }

        private static void LoadMonoMod()
        {
            Assembly asm = Assembly.GetExecutingAssembly();
            foreach (string res in asm.GetManifestResourceNames())
            {
                if (!res.EndsWith(".dll"))
                {
                    Log("Unknown resource: " + res);
                }

                using (Stream s = asm.GetManifestResourceStream(res))
                {
                    if (s == null) continue;
                    byte[] buffer = new byte[s.Length];
                    s.Read(buffer, 0, buffer.Length);
                    s.Dispose();

                    Assembly.Load(buffer);
                }
            }
        }

        private static void ManipulateIL()
        {
            throw new NotImplementedException();
        }

now i just have to il-repack monomod into 1 dll so i don't have to deal with dependency hell

[solemn rivet]

no

[copper nacelle]

yes

it'll only be like 1mb

[solemn rivet]

[floral furnace]

theres a typo dont you mean
if(!res.EndsWith("dlk"))

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

explain

i dont speak code

[solemn rivet]

TheWorldEndsWith("dlk")

[floral furnace]

no i was just uhhh, using your name as a pun

sorry

[cunning lagoon]

ah i see the joke now

thank you very much TTacco

[floral furnace]

no problem man im just happy i got to help you and all

[hollow pier]

wow i sure love this helpful and supportive community we have built here

[cunning lagoon]

yeah that's why i stayed here

[copper nacelle]

@solemn rivet is this u

[solemn rivet]

no stahp

someone call 0x0ade

56 is doing naughty things

[copper nacelle]

0x0ade actually added support for this

[solemn rivet]

reeee

[copper nacelle]

not the resource thing

[hollow pier]

0x0 what's this

[copper nacelle]

just the using it with terraria thing

idk how they're doing it

probably dll refs

which are garbage

for terraria

cause you can't bundle them with the mod

[cunning lagoon]

whomst plays terraria lmao it has unfair bosses such as Eye of Cthulhu

[hollow pier]

this tbh

[copper nacelle]

it loaded

[cunning lagoon]

fargo's DansGame

[copper nacelle]

u

[hollow pier]

the only good feature of fargos is increased stack size change my mind

and there's maxstackplus

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

[copper nacelle]

eeeeeeee

increased spawn cap

ez

[cunning lagoon]

big brain

[hollow pier]

mantis lords requires pixel perfect inputs

[cunning lagoon]

(on absrad trilaser)

[copper nacelle]

ahh

why is terraria eeeeeeeee

[cunning lagoon]

aahh 😩 👌

[hazy sentinel]

cuz it's a minecraft ripoff

dum relogic

[copper nacelle]

oh ok

wheremst max npc

[cunning lagoon]

also running against these splits feels great

[copper nacelle]

nice

i love how dnspy dies when i try to decompile terraria

wait what

tmodloader comes with a spawn cap thing

ree

[floral furnace]

can you actually add new items to be sold by sly or is it better to just do it bonfire style menu on benches to buy ammo? also im gonna have to implement an interface which allows player ammo to saved througout the save file correct?

[hazy sentinel]

tQoLoader

[cunning lagoon]

can you actually add new items to be sold by sly or is it better to just do it bonfire style menu on benches to buy ammo? also im gonna have to implement an interface which allows player ammo to saved througout the save file correct?

[floral furnace]

DLK pls

[cunning lagoon]

i told you if it's 2 lines or longer it's a pasta

[floral furnace]

ur a pasta

[hazy sentinel]

2 lines or longer

[cunning lagoon]

is that not how you say it

[hazy sentinel]

oh that's a copypasta

[cunning lagoon]

ur a pasta

[hazy sentinel]

eyyyy pizza pasta

tortellini mamma mia

[floral furnace]

woahhhh rude 😩

[copper nacelle]

😒 why

[cunning lagoon]

Oh yes he is the big rude

[floral furnace]

maestro delle anime

[hazy sentinel]

splendore

[floral furnace]

why not 😒

[copper nacelle]

eeeeeee

[hazy sentinel]

Vorino

[floral furnace]

but real shit on the vendor npcs

[cunning lagoon]

Yeah man

[hazy sentinel]

Signore delle Ombre

[cunning lagoon]

Lord of Shadows

[floral furnace]

radiance pizza when

[hazy sentinel]

really makes u think

[cunning lagoon]

why are you looking through the game's text for the millionth time

[floral furnace]

Team Cherry are the definition of cheapskates, thieves and liars in the gaming industry, they promised us with several features and content yet they failed to deliver it? Where Forest of Bones? Wheres my Abyss Expansion? Wheres my 3rd playable character? Praise them all you want but that doesnt change the fact that they failed their promises. I am stating this to anyone in Team Cherry, I will never buy a single game from you ever again

[cunning lagoon]

Team Cherry are the definition of cheapskates, thieves and liars in the gaming industry, they promised us with several features and content yet they failed to deliver it? Where Forest of Bones? Wheres my Abyss Expansion? Wheres my 3rd playable character? Praise them all you want but that doesnt change the fact that they failed their promises. I am stating this to anyone in Team Cherry, I will never buy a single game from you ever again

[hazy sentinel]

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[copper nacelle]

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[buoyant obsidian]

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[copper nacelle]

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[hazy sentinel]

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[solemn rivet]

[hazy sentinel]

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[cunning lagoon]

телохранительToday at 3:50 AM

he's done it

[copper nacelle]

either tmodloader is lying

[floral furnace]

would you sacrifice your kidney for an fsmless hk

[copper nacelle]

or dnspy is lying

help

[cunning lagoon]

maybe u just dont have a big enough brain to understand terraria

[copper nacelle]

IL is IL

eee

0xC8

i c

what if i just make it return 199

no that'd be dumb

eee

it's an ldc.i4 of 0xC8 on NPC.StrikeNPC

for one

[hazy sentinel]

that's an Idc from me

[copper nacelle]

trying to edit terraria il is like stabbing yourself with a burning fork

it hangs dnspy

ok so another ldc.i4 of 0xC8 on VanillaHitEffect

[solemn rivet]

and that's another Idc from me

[copper nacelle]

u

all of these methods have const loops re

why is editing consts so difficult

[floral furnace]

arent they not supposed to be editable

[copper nacelle]

yes

that's the hard part

[floral furnace]

[copper nacelle]

ok what if i just dynamic method definition literally all of the methods

this can't go wrong

this is a good idea

very nice 82.5k line file

reading and detouring all the methods at once will totally cause 0 lag

[solemn rivet]

holy trifecta

[floral furnace]

E🅱ic number

[copper nacelle]

is this cancer or cancer

[cunning lagoon]

ye bc its the sex number

[copper nacelle]

no it's 2000

[floral furnace]

nested for loops

56 you can fix this by adding 2 more

[copper nacelle]

u

[floral furnace]

reflect

[copper nacelle]

🔃

[floral furnace]

🛡 look im immune pls stop tryin

[solemn rivet]

tentacle attack!

[cunning lagoon]

stop

[hazy sentinel]

is gradow a gittle alt

[floral furnace]

gradow why

[solemn rivet]

idk

that emote's been sitting here for a while

[hazy sentinel]

gittle sent 23 of the 26 search results for that emote

[copper nacelle]

i had that emote once

[solemn rivet]

gotta use it once or twice else it goes bad

[copper nacelle]

then i left the server

[solemn rivet]

I don't even know the server tbh

[floral furnace]

where the fuck are you finding these servers with the global emotes

[cunning lagoon]

he's just that good

[copper nacelle]

https://discord.gg/hvQsC9h

apparently

[solemn rivet]

yeah, it's that one

just checked

[buoyant obsidian]

why do global emote servers even exist

[compact sedge]

how do you become one

[cunning lagoon]

ask nicely

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

I don't think there can be new global emote channels

idk

[copper nacelle]

you ever wait for the IL in dnspy for like 5 minutes

and have it still not have loaded

[cunning lagoon]

yeah it happens every time i use dnspy

[copper nacelle]

i was gonna attack ttacco with il

[floral furnace]

boi

[copper nacelle]

plans ruined

[floral furnace]

i dont even know what il is but it sounds pretty lame /s

[solemn rivet]

dodge these boi

[copper nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424791306565320726/491069317803409412/unknown.png

@floral furnace is this u

[floral furnace]

yes

[solemn rivet]

I honestly have no idea how IL works

[copper nacelle]

dnspy was using 10gb of ram

is this loss

[floral furnace]

is this actually the memory address

[cunning lagoon]

brutal

[copper nacelle]

it murdered my ide

[floral furnace]

nice

[hazy sentinel]

beware the ides of march

[copper nacelle]

we celebrate that

at school

[hazy sentinel]

lol nerds

[copper nacelle]

we go around and then stab caesar

then the teacher throws out candy

and then lunch is over

[hazy sentinel]

then roman empire

[copper nacelle]

yes

[floral furnace]

uhh yes

[cunning lagoon]

to this day i still don't get why thk parries spells

[copper nacelle]

you ever infinite loop your mod init

[compact sedge]

he parries sharp shadow but you still go through him

[floral furnace]

cuz thk has that sweet +15 mag resistance

[copper nacelle]

wtf

does tmodloader just shit on embedded resources

eeeeeeeeeee

[cunning lagoon]

consider uninstalling fargo's

[copper nacelle]

is it time

for reflection

u

[trim totem]

terraria ??

[floral furnace]

🛡

[copper nacelle]

this is going to either be pain or i give up

one or the other

[floral furnace]

yeah 56 is trying to port lightbringer to terraria

/s

[copper nacelle]

i'm trying to modify the IL instructions of all the methods in a ~56k line class

at runtime

[cunning lagoon]

@floral furnace `

[copper nacelle]

`

[trim totem]

why

[floral furnace]

@cunning lagoon Hmm yes interesting thanks

[copper nacelle]

so i can spawn 20k mobs

instead of 200

[cunning lagoon]

Consider

[floral furnace]

are you trying to kill the users ram or something

[copper nacelle]

maybe i'll just use a dll ref

¯_(ツ)_/¯

then i can load the dll into dll references at runtime

good idea btw

[cunning lagoon]

thank you

[copper nacelle]

oh you can just do dll references in a non dumb way

am i dead inside

[floral furnace]

petition to rename dll's to dlk's thx

[copper nacelle]

this is so much easier wtf

this is free

[trim totem]

are you playing it

[copper nacelle]

i don't even need an embedded resource

no i'm just modding it

[trim totem]

[copper nacelle]

playing games is illegal

[night walrus]

idea : room editor with availibility for custom assets

[copper nacelle]

idea: my death

[willow gale]

no 56

your god so you cant died

[copper nacelle]

eeeeee

[trim totem]

do not die

[copper nacelle]

goodbye cruel world

[floral furnace]

nice

[copper nacelle]

is this cancer

[compact sedge]

hey ttacco

[cunning lagoon]

do NOT joke about these kinds of things 56 😡

[floral furnace]

?

[compact sedge]

click on art discussion and scroll up

[copper nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301227786658381825/492151438638579723/unknown.png

oh ok https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301227786658381825/492155228699885568/20180919_130246.jpg

[floral furnace]

thank you aa this is art

[copper nacelle]

help how do i die instantly

[floral furnace]

😩 👌

[cunning lagoon]

you know what to do

start working on it

[buoyant obsidian]

why is crabulon an enemy

[copper nacelle]

why am i alive

[cunning lagoon]

ambrosial ampoule is a thing in exalt so why not crabulon

[copper nacelle]

what in fuck

[cunning lagoon]

hmm ask fabsol maybe he knows what to do about it

[copper nacelle]

die

[cunning lagoon]

he might wish for your death though

be careful

[copper nacelle]

why don't dll refs work

is this loss

[cunning lagoon]

https://i.imgur.com/w1F8Dx0.mp4

me irl

1 minute timeloss btw

[copper nacelle]

[floral furnace]

oof

[vapid cape]

lmfao fabsol

[cunning lagoon]

i thought you said this game was bad

have we been lied to

[hazy sentinel]

underheristo

[solemn rivet]

it is bad

but I still have to finish it

[compact sedge]

It's good, but it's not a good metroidvania game.

[solemn rivet]

it's not even a metroidvania

[cunning lagoon]

who finishes games lmao just p`layy the same 5 over and over

[compact sedge]

... what even is it

[solemn rivet]

idk

it's weird

it's a 2d platformer

but you fight enemies using a Paper Mario/Mario & Luigi combat system

[cunning lagoon]

mario and whomst?? xD

get it because mario is more popular

[floral furnace]

its a 2d platformer but is it a 2d metroidvania souls like difficult hand drawn art action rpg action roguelike zombie survival crafting open world platformer game?

[cunning lagoon]

its a 2d platformer but is it a 2d metroidvania souls like difficult hand drawn art action rpg action roguelike zombie survival crafting open world platformer game?

[solemn rivet]

ye, but without the "game" part

should I stream this?

[cunning lagoon]

yes

[solemn rivet]

oh boi

[rain cedar]

[cunning lagoon]

sean

you have changed

[floral furnace]

what is the point of these reviews

[rain cedar]

No u

[cunning lagoon]

maybe it's a legit bug and they are softlocked

[solemn rivet]

steam reviews are literally worse than reddit

that's what makes them great

[floral furnace]

those 0.2 hours played recommend reviews with "game keeps crashing please help me"

[cunning lagoon]

the worst ones are people with 2k hours giving it a negative review and saying "ehh it's decent"