#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 208

copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 10:04 PM

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the best part is the clip title

cunning lagoon Sep 16, 2018, 10:05 PM

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yes

copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 10:15 PM

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@vagrant leaf

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vagrant leaf Sep 16, 2018, 10:15 PM

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nice #archived-modding-development u have there

copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 10:15 PM

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@trim totem you can ddark right before he gets near you and get two hits on him

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and then with soul eater you can just ddark again

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and slap him again

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and u win

hazy sentinel Sep 16, 2018, 10:15 PM

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@trim totem you can storage out of dgate animation and become invulnerable

vagrant leaf Sep 16, 2018, 10:15 PM

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smh 56 must have used mods to do it which is why it's in #archived-modding-development

copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 10:16 PM

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it's cause #hk-discussion is bad

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ez

cunning lagoon Sep 16, 2018, 10:17 PM

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copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 10:17 PM

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shhhhh

vagrant leaf Sep 16, 2018, 10:17 PM

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consider not #archived-modding-development though

vapid cape Sep 16, 2018, 10:17 PM

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discussion ain't too bad from what I see

vagrant leaf Sep 16, 2018, 10:17 PM

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you see #archived-modding-development is for modding

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discussion is shit tho

vapid cape Sep 16, 2018, 10:17 PM

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In fact I'd say this community's downright pleasant.

vagrant leaf Sep 16, 2018, 10:17 PM

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you are right

copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 10:17 PM

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discussion is abs rad is rng the channel

cunning lagoon Sep 16, 2018, 10:17 PM

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^

vagrant leaf Sep 16, 2018, 10:18 PM

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then #297468195026239489

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or just like

weary torrent Sep 16, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Have any mods added areas?

vagrant leaf Sep 16, 2018, 10:18 PM

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not modding

hazy sentinel Sep 16, 2018, 10:18 PM

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@ modders multiplayer mod when

copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 10:18 PM

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@ 753 is this u

plucky fog Sep 16, 2018, 10:37 PM

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multiplayer mod sounds like a ridiculous amount of stuff to program

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but I'd support it

copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 10:37 PM

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mfw

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i went to do abs rad ascended

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and the music went weird

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and then the soviet anthem started playing

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and i realized i never swapped out the asset

plucky fog Sep 16, 2018, 10:38 PM

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are you kidding me

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why would you swap it out

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it's glorious comrade

copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 10:38 PM

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GWchadMEGATHINK

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this is just the anthem

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no sprite swap

plucky fog Sep 16, 2018, 10:38 PM

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oh

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the communist empire does not approve of jobs half-done

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communist empire

copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 10:39 PM

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ur mum half done

plucky fog Sep 16, 2018, 10:39 PM

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I'll go take my idiocy somewhere else

copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 10:39 PM

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plucky fog Sep 16, 2018, 10:39 PM

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ah yes

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now all it needs

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is a dead version sprite

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oh boy

copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 10:39 PM

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i mean what

plucky fog Sep 16, 2018, 10:40 PM

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uh

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I regret saying that

copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 10:40 PM

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good

hazy sentinel Sep 16, 2018, 10:40 PM

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go away thanks

plucky fog Sep 16, 2018, 10:40 PM

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damn you're very convincing

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fine

cunning lagoon Sep 16, 2018, 11:03 PM

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really makes you think

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copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 11:04 PM

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holy shit the ddark on spikes thing is amazing

cunning lagoon Sep 16, 2018, 11:05 PM

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nice

hollow pier Sep 16, 2018, 11:14 PM

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it's not that good

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maybe like on a horizontal spike death scenario

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can chase down absrad if she goes with the spikes i guess

copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 11:15 PM

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yes

trim totem Sep 16, 2018, 11:49 PM

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why did you ping me

cunning lagoon Sep 16, 2018, 11:50 PM

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@trim totem

copper nacelle Sep 16, 2018, 11:51 PM

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because shadow dash in sly phase 2 is illegal

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d d a r k

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:38 AM

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this fucking game

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 1:38 AM

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fix nohboard lol

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:38 AM

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makes no sense

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 1:40 AM

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did u get sub40

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:40 AM

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nah i died on beast's den and mantis petra arena on 2 separate runs

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both sub 39 pace

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 1:40 AM

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whats your SoB

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:41 AM

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37:53

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 1:41 AM

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oof

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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so how am i supposed to trust the game when this happens

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bc i happened to notice this one bc i was holding down+right for like a second before swinging my nail

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so i knew 100% it wasn't my fault

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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you're not

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ez

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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sad

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oh well

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 1:49 AM

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just run glitched categories

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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why does the wk practice save on sr.com have shade soul

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noot

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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elevator clip lul

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 1:53 AM

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check vsync

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:54 AM

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always off

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 1:54 AM

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get to 600fps

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:56 AM

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ok i'll ask the game to run better

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 1:56 AM

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game says no

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:56 AM

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what if i ask nicely

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 1:56 AM

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game declines nicely

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:56 AM

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frick

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 1:56 AM

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why are you even that high up

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:57 AM

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wdym

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 1:57 AM

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very high up

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:57 AM

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in the wk fight?

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 1:57 AM

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yes

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:57 AM

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i was getting to his other side

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 1:57 AM

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have you dashed

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:57 AM

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i dont think so

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 1:57 AM

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try that

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:57 AM

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that's not the point

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if the game ate my input there how do i know when im messing something up

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or when the game is just acting up

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 1:58 AM

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you record

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 1:58 AM

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wk is bullshit and rng

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:58 AM

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???

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 AM

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input randomizer when

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 AM

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i could do that

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 AM

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chaos + input rando

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 AM

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i set up the input hooks for kdt's tas thing

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i'd just move them over

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and then randomly report button pressed

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 AM

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also how do you get soft fall on kp

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 AM

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rng iirc

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 AM

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pray

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 AM

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damn

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 AM

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you just fall

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it's like 10%

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idk

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20%

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:00 AM

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i once just returned true to all buttons being pressed

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i'd highly recommend it

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 2:00 AM

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how many inputs are there

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 2:00 AM

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bools start at truew

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 2:00 AM

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imagine trying to dgate

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 AM

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notlikequirrel

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rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:09 AM

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I need to see where this is going

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Read more please

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:09 AM

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^

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 2:10 AM

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ornate rivet Sep 17, 2018, 2:10 AM

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copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:19 AM

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is there a boolean which is always true which isn't dumb

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 2:20 AM

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all of them

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:20 AM

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eeeee

compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 2:20 AM

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the boolean "true" is always true

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:20 AM

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no

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i can't use that

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it has to be a field

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editing il is death

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everything that says it's true is actually an int

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why

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or an object

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 2:21 AM

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p or not p is a tautology

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 2:21 AM

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to p or not to p

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 AM

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that is the conjunction of a statement and its negation

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whether tis nobler in the truth table to alternate truth values

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 AM

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killedCrawler

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Or something like that

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Why do you need an always true bool?

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 AM

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because tmodloader doesn't like you being able to extract mods to get them as dlls

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and local functions are hidden unless you edit in IL mode

compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 AM

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(but it won't be true if you are doing a completely kill-less run of dead hallownest)

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 AM

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Oh terraria

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!default(bool)

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Got em

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 AM

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this

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but idk how to do that in il

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so i was just trying to find some always true field

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 AM

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Use stloc

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Local bools are just ints

compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 AM

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I'd say send a PR to get them to fix it but tmodloader is kinda a for profit thing.

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 AM

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Actually no you don't even need stloc

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Hang on I don't remember what the instruction is exactly but I know it exists

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:25 AM

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y e s

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:25 AM

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Yeah here we go

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ldc.i4.1

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Should load 1 (true) onto the stack

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:26 AM

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GWfroggyZoomeyes

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thank you so much

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 2:27 AM

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no rpoblem

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:27 AM

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rpoblem

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:29 AM

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wow i broke it

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zote

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:30 AM

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What are you trying to do?

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:30 AM

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get the dll for this mod because tmodloader usually compiles mods itself

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so that i can build a mod without using tmodloader

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:30 AM

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I don't see why you need IL modding to do that though

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:30 AM

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cause local functions are weird

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you can't click on it

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:31 AM

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Wow that's fucked

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:31 AM

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yes

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:31 AM

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Where are you trying to insert the true?

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:31 AM

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either 85 or 93

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:32 AM

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Oh I see you're trying to replace a local bool

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Put ldc.i4.1 right above the stloc.0

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:35 AM

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game crashes

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i got this also

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Writing D:\Steam\steamapps\common\Terraria\TerrariaE.exe...
Error calculating max stack value. If the method's obfuscated, set CilBody.KeepOldMaxStack or MetaDataOptions.Flags (KeepOldMaxStack, global option) to ignore this error. Otherwise fix your generated CIL code so it conforms to the ECMA standard.
All files written to disk.

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:36 AM

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That can be ignored apparently https://github.com/0xd4d/dnSpy/issues/700

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Does it look like it compiled properly in dnspy?

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:36 AM

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yeah i think so

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 AM

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It probably just doesn't like that there's a bunch of unnecessary IL now

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 AM

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o

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 AM

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Since the old calculation is still there

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:39 AM

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i could do if (!hidden) => if (hidden)

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:39 AM

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Oh wait I think that's the wrong spot for the ldc.i4.1

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Yeah I think that branch is for the ternary but I'm not sure

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 AM

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good idea.png

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and by good i mean bad but it'll work i think

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 AM

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So you're just flipping the if?

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 AM

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oh wait i found a less dumb one

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br.s

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it just always goes there

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 AM

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Yeah branch short

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 AM

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wtf

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editing anything just makes it die

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 AM

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I'm just gonna download tmodloader and look for myself

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:43 AM

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https://github.com/blushiemagic/tModLoader/releases/download/v0.10.1.5/tModLoader.Windows.v0.10.1.5.zip

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:43 AM

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I already got it from here https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/1-3-tmodloader-a-modding-api.23726/

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:43 AM

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nice

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:44 AM

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What is the function?

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:44 AM

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<_Extract>g__WriteFile|0

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searching WriteFile works

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oh i was branching to a ret

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idk if this'll fix crashing

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oh no it crashed even sooner

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wonderful

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:45 AM

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I thought you meant to do that

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I can't find the function

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Just calls to it

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:45 AM

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are you in IL

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 AM

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No

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 AM

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it doesn't exist unless you IL

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 AM

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Idk how to even get to an IL view other than right clicking a function and selecting it

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But that's just for the function

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 AM

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rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:47 AM

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Cool

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 AM

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hey sean can we get fasttext on qol

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Tahnk you very much

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 AM

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I don't care, go for it

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It's like 3 lines

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Tahnks! ❤

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Alright nah that was the right place to put the ldc.i4.1

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:49 AM

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even replacing the brtrue with nop kills it wtf

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:49 AM

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Maybe you'd be better off making a new function and copy/pasting from github

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:50 AM

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yeah

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ok wtf

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brfalse.s works

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i mean i can't complain but why

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:51 AM

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brtrue.s IL_00CE also didn't give the error

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:51 AM

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wtf

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 2:52 AM

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wow i died on beast's den again

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end me

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the spiders that spit projectiles have aimbots

compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 2:54 AM

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hey. this is an oddly specific question but does anyone have a godmaster dump of the knight with all his fsms when the player has pfloat? I'm trying to see what actually causes it

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:54 AM

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rb2d.gravityScale = 0f

compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 2:54 AM

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and why isn't the gravity scale set back?

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:55 AM

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Idk fsm bad

compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 2:55 AM

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how many frames is the rb2d.gravityScale = 0f supposed to last?

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I could do a fix just using that info

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and by frames I mean fractions of a second since presumably it's done with unscaled delta time

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:56 AM

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However long the fireball cast lasts

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Why are you even trying to fix it?

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 2:56 AM

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wait what

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stop no why delet this

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🔫

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:57 AM

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Alright I think I know why we were getting that error

compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 2:57 AM

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oh eww I know why it happens

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Tk2dWatchAnimationEvents

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which gets canceled causing the spell fsm to be stuck in Fireball Recoil

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now if I had the nes tools and wasn't on linux I could figure out how long that animation is supposed to play for

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but I don't

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 AM

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Yeah no error doing this

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compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 AM

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is there any existing way to get information about animations themselves like the framerate and frames and which frames have events or am I just gonna have to write my own?

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 AM

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clip.length?

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 AM

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Not that I know of

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That's just length

compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 AM

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clip.length is the frames long it is but if the event happens on frame 4 and it's 6 frames long it won't help

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 AM

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pain

compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 AM

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also I'm on a crusade against bugs that only benefit speedrunners 56

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/s

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 AM

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You could just mod the watch animation thing to continue if it's in the wrong animation

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 AM

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wow ok

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ilspy does it okish

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 AM

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I thought dnspy was a fork of ilspy

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Weird

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 AM

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yeah but it uses cecil or dnlib or something instead of what ilspy uses

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i think

compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 AM

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here's my plan: replace the watch animation thing with a Wait thing that waits for the appropriate amount of time, hopefully dynamically based on the animation length

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 AM

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wow ok

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cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 AM

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are you making a terraria mod or what

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 AM

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He's trying to steal mod source I think

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 AM

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understandable

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 AM

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i'm trying to get the dll so i can build with MonoMod repacked in without using tmodloader dll refs

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so i can make the spawn cap like 2k instead of 200

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 AM

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haha nice

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@hazy sentinel what have you done

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proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 AM

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alright, I'm trying to do a thing that's probably extremely dumb

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in the style of blackmoth mode, but instead of that, grimmchild

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I'm trying to make grimmchild level 2 just a passive thing that you have from the start but all nail levels deal 0 damage.

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or 1 damage if 0 isn't a possibility

solemn rivet Sep 17, 2018, 3:54 AM

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like grimmchild upgrades?

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 3:55 AM

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yeah

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like you start the game with grimmchild 2 and then upgrading the nail either upgrades grimmchild or does nothing

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inspired by the like, 5th or 6th time grimmchild has shot a boss down just before it hit me

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 4:02 AM

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You'll want to force grimmchild active without setting playerdata stuff

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Otherwise the grimm quest will break

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 4:05 AM

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yeah

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 4:20 AM

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now I just gotta figure out the mod tools

ruby ore Sep 17, 2018, 4:27 AM

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oh shit that's my post

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zote

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 4:28 AM

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nice

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 4:32 AM

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having never used dnSpy before, this should be... fun to learn.

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:01 AM

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ho boy, ran as is, 274 errors

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I think I did something wrong

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do I need to like, put hollow knight's files somewhere with the dnSpy

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I may have not been supposed to clone the project, instead downloading something else

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that's probably it

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yeah

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ok yeah, I downloaded the right thing this time

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now to figure out how to open hollow knight's AssemblyCSharp.dll

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got it open

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now... for the real part

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:13 AM

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don't edit the assembly directly thank

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@cunning lagoon is this u

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cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 AM

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i dont understand

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 AM

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it's u

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literally

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 AM

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it is indeed me

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 AM

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yes

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 5:19 AM

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ah i see

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thats on your channel

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how do you do thast

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:19 AM

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so I don't want to touch anything in gold, right

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or is that what I do want to change

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:20 AM

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i mean that stuff does stuff

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so lik

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e

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cornywoke

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:20 AM

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~~basically I'm asking 'what do I not touch because it'll break the game'~~

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:20 AM

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touch everything ez

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:21 AM

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I was talkin with one of my friends about the plan I had and they suggested "when you get the pure nail your grimmchild should just become grimm" and while that's probably a terrible idea I find it endlessly hilarious.

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:21 AM

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@cunning lagoon customize channel => featured channels => add channels

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 5:22 AM

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nice

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ill add u irl tomorrow

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:22 AM

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haha yes

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 5:22 AM

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HAHA YESS

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:22 AM

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me irl

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@proper notch remove the DamageHero(s) on him and his child gameobjects and replace them with DamageEnemies or something

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:23 AM

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wait that's actually possible

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:23 AM

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should be ig

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:24 AM

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that's amazing

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:24 AM

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he'd still try and kill you

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he'd just attack enemies instead

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and phase through you

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:24 AM

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makes sense

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:24 AM

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i mean unless you want to change his ai

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which you could also do

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:24 AM

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true

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I'd need to make entirely new game objects that're copies of him though

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to do that without changing his bossfight

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though the idea of trying the grimm fight while your own independent grimm is also trying to do things is terrifying

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"which grimm is yours? who knows!"

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:25 AM

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make it green

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ez

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:30 AM

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so as far as I know, all I really need to do to make the mod I want to is:
make grimmchild stuck to you like voidheart, take no notches, and equipped at game start
set the right questflag so that this doesn't break the grimm quest
make all the nail levels deal 0/1 damage (1 if 0 is impossible or doesn't give soul)
make the nail-related charms affect grimmchild

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:31 AM

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0 makes it so you can't hit anything

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you just knockback yourself

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:31 AM

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ah

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that's why 1 then

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this basically just means I gotta dig until I find the right files

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which... hopefully shouldn't take too long, but boy there are a lot of files.

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:37 AM

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what

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 5:37 AM

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Grimmchild isn't even controlled from C#

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:38 AM

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^

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you're not going to find anything you really care about in dnSpy for grimmchild

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:38 AM

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ah.

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what would I use then?

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 5:38 AM

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fsm

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:39 AM

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if it's the pinned fsm that google drive link requires permission to view

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:40 AM

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what

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:40 AM

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copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:40 AM

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are you on a school account or something

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:40 AM

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no

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my personal email

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:41 AM

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what link

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oh

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that

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 5:41 AM

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Probably the kcghost one

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That's pinned still

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:41 AM

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should that still be pinned

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:41 AM

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yeah

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that's the one I'm using

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 5:42 AM

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Nah none of those even work anymore

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I unpinned it

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:42 AM

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ok

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:42 AM

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nice

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:43 AM

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https://github.com/KayDeeTee/HK-FSM-VIEWER
this should work? (first result for 'hollow knight fsm')

GitHub

KayDeeTee/HK-FSM-VIEWER

view hollow knights playmaker fsm in a web browser - KayDeeTee/HK-FSM-VIEWER

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 5:43 AM

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There's a way better one

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Idk where

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:43 AM

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you can use that w/ the fsm mod in the gdrive but nes' viewer is better

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 5:43 AM

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But somewhere

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:43 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/410556310787063828/484837002051846145/Release.zip

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 5:43 AM

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Nice it's just a discord attachment

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:43 AM

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yes

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:44 AM

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nice

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ty

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:44 AM

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it should be in resources.assets

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:47 AM

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cool, found the grimmchild assets

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or at least what spawns it

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I can't seem to edit... anything

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:55 AM

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yes

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that's not how it works

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it's a viewer

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really makes u think

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:55 AM

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yeah

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~~is it clear I barely have any idea what I'm doing yet~~

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:56 AM

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📎 wokester.png

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:57 AM

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so now I can view it, how do I edit it thinkgrub

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:57 AM

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you make a mod which gets the gameobject and gets the fsm from it then gets states and actions and stuff and changes them

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to be tbh

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 5:58 AM

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yeah that's... that's what loses me. I can do darkest dungeon mods because that's just.. make more of the files the game already uses. I have no idea how to start making a hk mod

native widget Sep 17, 2018, 5:59 AM

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How many animations does the Radiance have?

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 5:59 AM

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At least 3

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 5:59 AM

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somewhere between integer.MinValue and integer.MaxValue

native widget Sep 17, 2018, 5:59 AM

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Oh easy modding then

leaden hedge Sep 17, 2018, 5:59 AM

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i can narrow that down a little bit more

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its between 1 and integer.MaxValue

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 6:00 AM

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I'm willing to bet that Int16.MaxValue is also a safe max

leaden hedge Sep 17, 2018, 6:01 AM

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I bet a Byte.MaxValue is probably way higher

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 6:02 AM

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SByte.MaxValue

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 6:02 AM

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downloading the infinite grimm mod to get an example, so it's just a .dll file

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so I just need to make a .dll that does all the things I want it to

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 6:02 AM

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no stop don't

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that's not how u example

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 6:03 AM

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download an existing working mod?

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 6:03 AM

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https://github.com/natis1/grimmchildupgrades/blob/master/grimmchildupgrades/
https://github.com/5FiftySix6/Lost-Lord/

GitHub

natis1/grimmchildupgrades

A Hollow Knight mod for a better Grimmchild. Contribute to natis1/grimmchildupgrades development by creating an account on GitHub.

GitHub

5FiftySix6/HollowKnight.Lost-Lord

Contribute to 5FiftySix6/HollowKnight.Lost-Lord development by creating an account on GitHub.

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look at the mod's code

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to be tbh

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 6:05 AM

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ok, my visual studio errosr on using HutongGames.Playmaker, so right from the start I'm missing things

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maybe I should do this at not 2am

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 6:06 AM

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References

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 6:06 AM

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^

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 6:09 AM

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right, yep playmaker is $45. Guess I'm putting this plan on hold until I'm not Flat Broke.

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 6:09 AM

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have u tried

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taking a look

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at your Managed folder

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 6:10 AM

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~~it's 2am, the list of things I've tried is basically the list of things I've said here~~

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 6:10 AM

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rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 6:10 AM

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A seanpr sub is only 1/9 the price of playmaker and you get vegetable emotes

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 6:11 AM

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~~A sub to me is free because my twitch account isn't a partner because I haven't streamed in months because I suck~~

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 6:13 AM

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Whoa slow down there bub

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I'm not partner either

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 6:15 AM

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add reference
playmaker.dll
nothing changes
~~and to think I'm trying to learn to be a game designer and I can't even grasp the basics of c#~~

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hooray, it only took me like, 20 minutes longer than it should have but I added a solution to the project

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~~now to do literally everything else..~~

sinful tundra Sep 17, 2018, 10:55 AM

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crazy how quick modding seems to have opened up due to the community, are the files just that easy to crack in to?

exotic venture Sep 17, 2018, 10:55 AM

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unencrypted

sinful tundra Sep 17, 2018, 10:55 AM

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yeah i thought so

exotic venture Sep 17, 2018, 10:55 AM

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thanks unity

sinful tundra Sep 17, 2018, 10:56 AM

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I'm still a fledgeling as fuck dev but I have enough experience to know it looks like the game was exported straight out of unity with no second thought

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 11:24 AM

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I... I have using UnityEngine;

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why is GameObject not found

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alright new plan

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what if I just... make this in unity and export the files after

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so that I don't get errors from shit like MonoBehavior and GameObject not being found

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 11:26 AM

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are you referencing UnityEngine.CoreModule

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 11:26 AM

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yeah

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I am referencing every single unity dll I have on my system

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 11:27 AM

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noot

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 11:28 AM

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worked after I closed and reopened visualstudio, so I guess that's a thing

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in other news I definitely spent all night alternating between this and ascended pure vessel so that's... that's my night.

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guess I'm not sleeping before class.

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glancing at the code for grimmchild upgrades, the only assemblies I'm missing now are the ones for Modding and ModCommon

floral furnace Sep 17, 2018, 12:19 PM

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so uhh does OnTriggerEnter2d or TriggerEnter not register on cloned fireball hits

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 12:21 PM

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Unity events like to not work on kinematic objects

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Which I'm guessing a fireball is

floral furnace Sep 17, 2018, 12:22 PM

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oh thats really nice /s

floral furnace Sep 17, 2018, 1:11 PM

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well now i can somewhat destroy the fireballs, at least i guess

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 1:27 PM

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why is &= and |= super uncommon for booleans

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like bool x = new Random().Next(100) <= 50;

x |= PlayerData.instance.killedCrawlid; ```
compared to
```cs
if (PlayerData.instance.killedCrawlid)
    x = true;

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 1:30 PM

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That's a pretty niche use

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 1:30 PM

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yes

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 1:30 PM

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Also less readable imo

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 1:31 PM

#

GWmythiFeelsBadMan

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 1:32 PM

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bools start at true

floral furnace Sep 17, 2018, 1:32 PM

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wait real shit they default to false if unassigned right

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 1:32 PM

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Yes

floral furnace Sep 17, 2018, 1:33 PM

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i think it was java where unassignment sets it to null iirc? cant remember

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 1:33 PM

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bool @true;

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Wow null bool

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Nice java

floral furnace Sep 17, 2018, 1:35 PM

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oh wait no primitives gives a default false val while object bools gives the null, been along time since ive checked

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 1:35 PM

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Oh so like nullables in C#

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Ok

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 1:52 PM

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Hello I have a shitpost

#

public static void Main()
{
    Boolean test = new Boolean();

    if (test)
    {
        Console.WriteLine("Bools start at true");
    }

    Console.ReadLine();
}

public class Boolean : IComparable, IComparable<Boolean>, IEquatable<Boolean>, IComparable<bool>, IEquatable<bool>
{
    private bool val = true;

    public Boolean() { }

    public Boolean(bool val)
    {
        this.val = val;
    }

    public static bool Parse(string value) => bool.Parse(value);
    public static bool TryParse(string value, out bool result) => bool.TryParse(value, out result);

    public int CompareTo(object obj) => val.CompareTo(obj);
    public int CompareTo(bool obj) => val.CompareTo(obj);
    public int CompareTo(Boolean value) => val.CompareTo(value.val);

    public override bool Equals(object obj) => val.Equals(obj);
    public bool Equals(bool obj) => val.Equals(obj);
    public bool Equals(Boolean obj) => val.Equals(obj.val);

    public override int GetHashCode() => val.GetHashCode();
    public TypeCode GetTypeCode() => val.GetTypeCode();

    public override string ToString() => val.ToString();
    public string ToString(IFormatProvider provider) => val.ToString(provider);

    public static implicit operator Boolean(bool b) => new Boolean(b);
    public static implicit operator bool(Boolean b) => b.val;
}```

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exotic venture Sep 17, 2018, 1:53 PM

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nice

floral furnace Sep 17, 2018, 1:54 PM

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amazing

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 1:57 PM

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Btw I have no idea what black magic allows me to access the val field even though it's private

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But this compiles and runs fine

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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the thing about black magic code is that it stops working without notice

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not that I'm not guilty of using black magic code

floral furnace Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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As Long As It Works™

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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yeah

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my entire final for my unity 3d design class last semester was black magic code more or less

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just... don't actually try to walk into any of the walls

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because their hitboxes don't work

floral furnace Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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Just call unfixable bugs a feature /s

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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and the sword swinging wasn't actually a collider so much as a shortrange hitscan laser

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because I couldn't get the collider to move with the animation

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~~and also the sword didn't do damage it just called the 'destroy self' script in whatever it hit~~

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~~my final was spaghetti code hell~~

floral furnace Sep 17, 2018, 2:08 PM

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hey its just like source games, the melee weapons are just hitscan weps with low range

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:08 PM

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yeah

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hmm, back to my mod

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I assume the modding and modcommon assemblies most mods use are from the modlauncher?

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:10 PM

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Modding namespace is from the loader

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ModCommon is a separate library

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:10 PM

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ah

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I'll probably need both... or at least want them

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:10 PM

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Nah ModCommon is pretty useless tbh

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There's like 2-3 small things people use it for

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It's by no means a necessity

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:11 PM

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and the mod launcher is in pins, ye?

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:11 PM

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Yeah first pin has all the mod stuff

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:11 PM

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figure this is a good way to cool off from sisters of battle putting me in the dumpster

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but hey, I beat the pantheon of the knight, so 👍

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:12 PM

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But there's no pantheon with that name

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No wait that's pantheon 4

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I'm sorry I suck

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:15 PM

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ah, so modcommon comes from the second pin. now to just find the loader, unless I'm just not seeing it in all the folders in the top pin

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:16 PM

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API

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:17 PM

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so the radiance.host one?

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:17 PM

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That works too

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 PM

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How do i call a method from the same class? I tried doing just this.MethodName(); but it gave me errors

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 PM

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That should work unless it's static

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 PM

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Ah ok

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 PM

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For static methods you do ClassName.MethodName();

floral furnace Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 PM

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you can just call it normally tho like

MethodOne(){

}

MethodTwo(){
MethodOne(); right?
}

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 PM

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Yeah

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 PM

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I made it static out of habit

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 PM

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But Krythom is using dnspy to mod

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 PM

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I dont even know what that means though

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 PM

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ok, I'm clearly missing something, I still can't find the modding.dll... am I blind thinkgrub

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 PM

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Modding API

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Assembly-CSharp.dll

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 PM

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tbh I've been using unity for going on 3 years now and I still don't really know what static means

floral furnace Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 PM

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static allows you to reuse that method without creating an instance of that class

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from what i understand (and how i use it) at least

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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That's essentially it

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A static method being in a class is just syntactic sugar since it's not really linked to the class in any way

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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ah, the assembly-Csharp from the hollow knight files itself?

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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So should i make this static or nah?

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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No, the one from the first pin

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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the first pin is a google drive link

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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I have no idea what "this" is Krythom

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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Good point

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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with a pile of folders

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:25 PM

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Modding API

floral furnace Sep 17, 2018, 2:25 PM

#

so you can just go

Class1.CallThisMethod();

instead of having to do
Class1 cls = new Class1();
cls.CallThisMethod()

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:25 PM

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I'm not seeing a modding api here, unless i'm blind ~~which is possible because I'm going on a solid 24 hours without sleep at this point~~

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rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:25 PM

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List view tbh

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 2:25 PM

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I was just moving my savestate into method and then having the if call that method rather than the if doing all the things

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Just to clean it up a bit

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:26 PM

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oh yeah that's way easier to read

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:26 PM

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That makes sense to be static but I'm going to assume that none of the fields you use are static

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So it would be easier to just make it an instance function

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:27 PM

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the only one that seems related to an api is Kerr1291's modcommon. I'm probably still just blind, so I'll keep looking

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:28 PM

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Just do ctrl f

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:28 PM

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ah, found it

#

ty

#

ok, now that I'm using the right assembly-csharp.dll... still getting a worrying number of errors, actually.

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hm

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looks like my fsm implementation might be broken

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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any ways to discover all of the maps with a mod when you start the game?

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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It's easy just memorize the full game map

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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hmm, I'm erroring on GetState and GetActionsOfType but not anything else

#

weird?

leaden hedge Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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did you try to auto resolve

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those are hutong.playmaker functions

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:49 PM

#

GetState is fixed by that, but not GetActionsOfType

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:49 PM

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That's an extension

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:49 PM

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changed my using to .* and it cleared that

leaden hedge Sep 17, 2018, 2:49 PM

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is that modcommon

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:50 PM

#

now I'm just erroring on FsmState

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Idk where it is

#

It's just something I made for randomizer

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And other people have been stealing it

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:50 PM

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ah

#

I'm reading in code from the grimmchild upgrades and trying to piece together how to change grimmcihld from that

#

so that's probably why I'm seeing that

leaden hedge Sep 17, 2018, 2:51 PM

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fsmstate should be somewhere in hutong.playmaker

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:51 PM

#

thinkgrub

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maybe... maybe you should use the second one then, visual studio.

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:52 PM

#

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proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:52 PM

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I'm not, as far as I can tell

#

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rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:53 PM

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Show code

#

Also btw there's a Playmaker.dll

#

But HutongGames namespace exists without it

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:53 PM

#

again cannibalized from grimmchild upgrades, which probably is part of why this isn't working.

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I should just delete it all and start from scratch tbh

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:54 PM

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The 2nd and 3rd errors can't be trusted

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Shit tends to break after you have 1 error

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:55 PM

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yeah

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Although the 2nd one is also from a missing extension

proper notch Sep 17, 2018, 2:57 PM

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playmaker is already referenced yb the project

#

man this shit makes me really glad the first game I tried to mod was darkest dungeon because like

#

shit it's easy to mod

#

you don't even need visual studio, just N++ and some patience.

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look at how easy that is.

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~~now back to beating my head on this~~

leaden hedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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ye but can you reprogram darkest dungeon into literally anything 🤔

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 3:05 PM

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I should actually do that

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That's a good meme mod

#

Destroy everything and make a new game

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 3:17 PM

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alright so im just throwing this wild idea out there for anyone that wants to take a shot at it, but what if there was a mod that turned Hornet 2 into Superboss material? thinkgrub

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

#

u

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Ok so when would you want to make a method static? Like when would that actually help?

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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When the function doesn't need a class instance to do its thing

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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ok

#

also how come all the things turn into instance, instance2, and instance3 instead of staying as gm, pd, and hc?

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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IL doesn't preserve local variable names

#

Maybe don't mod in dnspy

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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but don't i need dnspy to actually edit the code?

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Use MonoMod

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

#

where can i find that?

rain cedar Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

#

https://github.com/0x0ade/MonoMod

GitHub

0x0ade/MonoMod

A general purpose .NET assembly modding "basework", powered by cecil. - 0x0ade/MonoMod

#

You probably just need one really basic patch file

#

To call whatever start stuff in your cheat class

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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Wait does this work for 1028?

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 4:16 PM

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yes

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 4:16 PM

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ok

bronze temple Sep 17, 2018, 6:49 PM

#

did someone say

#

MonoMod

#

why does Discord still show my old profile picture below that link

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 6:51 PM

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yeah sean said monomod, just a few messages up

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why do you ask

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:05 PM

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I wonder if it's possible to make a modded charm that increases damage dealt to a certain enemy or enemy type

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:05 PM

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well I doubt you can extend the charm menu for new ones

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:06 PM

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well yeah; I mean existing ones

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:06 PM

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but ive seen replacement charms get pretty creative

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:06 PM

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I made exaltation, so I certainly know how to replace ones or add new effects to them

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I'm just uncertain if the api supports checking the type of enemy being hit

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:06 PM

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o h, you're the person who made that mod? Dude nice, I love that mod.

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:07 PM

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https://github.com/Xhuis/Exaltation

GitHub

Xhuis/Exaltation

A Hollow Knight mod implementing rewards for the Pantheons in Godhome. - Xhuis/Exaltation

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been trying to clear panth5 with it but I'm too bad

#

collector, markoth, and WD whip me

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:07 PM

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Although probably not possible, have you considered cooperating with lightbringer dev for exalted lightbringer charms? Considering redwing and how it works with blackmoth, crossover mods may be possible thinkgrub

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:08 PM

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assuming the modding API works to check which other mods exist, it would be possible

#

problem being, I haven't the foggiest how lightbringer handles its attack code

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 7:08 PM

#

u

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:08 PM

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and I could certainly look but I've never played it before

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:08 PM

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well like I said, you could cooperate with the dev of the mod to figure that out

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of course, its not a demand, im just throwin ideas

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 7:09 PM

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@tranquil glen that's the monomod creator u dungo

tranquil glen Sep 17, 2018, 7:09 PM

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yeah i know

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 7:09 PM

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noot

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:09 PM

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my main priorities for exaltation are putting some of the stronger charms behind panth bindings and maybe making more charms glorifiable

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I also want to make a 0-notch charm as a straight upgrade as a reward for beating the first 4 with all bindings

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wow, weaversong vs collector is

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really good

exotic venture Sep 17, 2018, 7:14 PM

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staggers man

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 7:14 PM

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oh yeah my wd fight in p5 was a big meme

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got juggle first attack and the dung ball glitch

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 7:15 PM

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you are a big meme

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Thanks! ❤

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 7:15 PM

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did you win p5

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:17 PM

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So are all the charms getting stronger versions, and that some of them are behind bindings? or is the charm set we have right now currently it? I didnt do all bindings so I probably missed a few.

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:23 PM

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not all charms have a stronger version; I think some won't get a version

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stuff like unbreakable strength already seem to fit in enough

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plus, like, how do you glorify stuff like dream wielder?

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on an unrelated note I wonder if it's doable to replace sly's voice lines with the scout from tf2

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:24 PM

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o h n o.

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Glorifying the fragile charms seems strange, yeah.

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:24 PM

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BONK, BOINK, WOOHOOHOOOOOO ~Sly Scout doing his combo.

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as for dreamwielder, I guess just make it almost as quick as a nail strike, or make it heal a mask upon hitting an enemy?

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:26 PM

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both of those effects are bonkers strong but if I had to choose one it'd def be the heal-a-mask one

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66% soul from the speed of a nail strike is cray yo

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 7:26 PM

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I'm trying to think of how to improve it that doesn't just make it straight up busted too

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it's ALREADY ridiculously good for a 1-notch

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:26 PM

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thing is, for most boss fights, it's not very good

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it kind of has a specific niche for gauntlets

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:26 PM

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yeah, didnt know just how much soul you get from dreamwielder strikes

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:26 PM

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trial of the fool especially it excels at

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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I'd say to make it balanced, sacrifice the charge speed you get from regular dreamwielder, like how the quickslash upgrade has a decrease in damage.

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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eh

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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That way it would only have a proper use in boss fights while they're staggered.

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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steel tempest has a damage decrease to make sure it doesn't become staggeringly overpowered; it still allows the same playstyle

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as such a dream wielder glorification I would like to be similar

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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It's good in pantheons too because it basically means more health and shrieks, which shreds boss fights. Thing also is, you have to do these very pantheons to even get it, the only way it could work as something useable outside of these guantlets is to make it a p1/2 reward

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those pantheons are doable mid-game

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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the way I was considering handling some of them is to make each binding you complete give a certain hidden "score" value based on the difficulty of that binding in its pantheon

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i.e. if you beat panth 1 with reduced nail damage you only get 1 score because it's pretty nonimpactful, but if you beat panth 3 with no charms it gives something like 6

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then different charms are glorified sequentially as that goes up, with the best ones being reserved for the most score

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:29 PM

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thinkgrub so pantheon 5 all bindings gives you some kind of super screwed and OP charm I bet

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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at the same time, I avoided that kind of thing at first since I wanted everyone to have access to them for panth 5 without having to do a bunch of challenges

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Hmmm. That could work. Beating p1 at all should still glorify some things though. Gathering swarm/the compass for example very much need to be easy to get to have any point whatsoever.

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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yeah, they wouldn't all be locked behind bindings

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Dipping into Godhome in order to do p1 with channeled nail early-ish on to get that sweet free lifeblood and insta-geo collection is a good move, with this mod.

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It's otherwise a totally pointless idea in vanilla.

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Hmm. If you go with the score idea, I don't suppose HoG couldn't contribute to your score, no?

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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radiant boss wins are one of my initial ideas

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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That could even further incentivize returning once in a while to knock out some Ascended bosses for loot

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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having that do the same thing instead of doing the bindings would be a nice alternative for people who don't like the idea of doing all the bindings

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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I personally like the idea of beating ascended bosses to get a singular glorified charm for each.

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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I also haven't had a chance to properly playtest sagesoul

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Like, its not overly hard, but its not easy power ups.

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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I personally don't feel all-bindings or radiant kills should give anything. Those should just be for the challenge seekers they appeal to

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individual bindings and ascended kills though? Hell yeah, give people stuff

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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^^

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So just to ask: Is the current system basically "Beat a pantheon, get a certain set of charms glorified" or is it for boss kills right now?

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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p5 stuff would also probably be iffy. people have enough trouble just beating it as is, and most of the appeal in glorifying charms is to have an edge in p5 to begin with.

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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right now, the quick way it works is uh

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beat a pantheon to get that pantheon's bindings
you can also beat that boss in the hall of gods if you've reached it to get the bindings

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so if you reach PV and then practice for a bit and manage to down him in HoG you'll get panth 4's charms

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that was a very deliberate move

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ugh, time for the hell part of panth 5

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Ah, okay. So I presume I've got all the charms as of now.

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Dude good luck with panth 5

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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I can consistently get this far but GPZ right after markoth messes me up

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Grey Prince Zote is always the jerk that kills me in panth 5, if uumuu doesnt get me first

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I just...do NOT understand whats so OP about him yet he keeps killing me.

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:38 PM

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GPZ has a lot of little flaws that add up

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lots of his telegraphs are unreliable since he uses the same telegraph for multiple attacks

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he has no windup on movement and moves very fast so he can run into you before you can react

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he has lots of empty hops (jumps with no attack after)

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:38 PM

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so basically: he's too unpredictable

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:38 PM

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they add up to make him frustrating

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:39 PM

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I once had a horrid experience with him in panth 5 where I hit him from above because he was charging at me

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he gets staggered, but because of how staggering works, he rammed straight into me and got me killed that way because I was on 1 mask

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:39 PM

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yeah

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he gets knocked upwards when he's staggered unlike a lot of bosses ala lost kin

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which is another thing that makes it frustrating

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lots of his attacks are countered through pogo-ing but if you stagger him through pogo-ing, tough luck kiddo

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I'm honestly more relieved about the prospect of fighting NKG than him because NKG can be mastered with enough practice, and I've radiant-ed him

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but GPZ is just unpredictable

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whew, markoth time

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frick

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:43 PM

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dude NKG is fun and PV is even more fun

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I can confidently beat both

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BUT ABSOLUTE RADIANCE IS PAIN

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:47 PM

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alright nkg

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let's rock

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 7:49 PM

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good luck

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nkg is a slot machine so hopefully you get fair patterns

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:50 PM

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that was sloppy as hell but I downed him

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well

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here's the final stretch

compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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the whole pantheon is nothing but slot machines.

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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no idea what charms to bring

compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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Elder Hu, more like EldeRNG hu

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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shaman stone. It makes the last fight so much quicker with empowered shrieks

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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here's what I got

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quick slash, steady body, steel tempest, quick focus, and shaman stone respectively, all glorified versions

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SB costs no notches so

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well

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might as well get this over with

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easiest PV of my LIFE

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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you must have gotten lucky

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he seems like a slot machine to me

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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come on here mothy motherfucker

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that was painful

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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did you die

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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very

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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yeah she's 90% rng

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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at least I reached her, I suppose

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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very bad boss with overlapping patterns

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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now I can practice

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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don't bother it's all rng anyway

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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to be fair, PV and NKG arent slot machines considering their attacks can be learned, they have telegraphs, and they're fun fights

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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I died, flat out, b/c I didn't know her patterns and didn't know how to react to her

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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I love NKG and PV for being challenging.

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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absrad is kind of the type of boss you need a bit of practice at to do particularly well, which is the perfect ending to a 42 boss guantlet I must say.

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I think pretty much EVERYONE loses the first fight

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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hmm nah i read in #hk-discussion thjat she's a slot machine

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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I HATE absolute radiance because she's the boss I cant win at even with knowing all her moves and how to dodge.

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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so she's rng

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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Discussion is also wrong

compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 8:00 PM

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absrad takes a lot less practice than PV to reliably kill but takes more practice to reliably kill hitless in my opinion

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:00 PM

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nah you must be wrong

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they are very good at the game in discussion

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 8:00 PM

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dude I just suck at absrad

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I dont know what it is about the absrad fight, but while I can perfectly hitless regular radiance, absrad just KEEPS HITTING ME and I dont understand why when she's just a powered up radiance.

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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I think for the most part the outcry of absrad has died down and most people still playing low key know that luck isn't the problem.

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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PV is probably harder in a perfect world

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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I know luck isnt an issue with absrad, but the thing is I dont know what keeps getting me killed. ;_;

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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from what I see most people just agree she's simply hard as fuck and requires good reflexes and awareness, two things very much reduced in most people when they get nervous cause it's the final fight of the long pantheon.

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:02 PM

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yeah i think for the most part people have realized that the boss is actually not unfair

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but jesus for the first week after release #hk-discussion was a fucking shitshow

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everyone complaining about everything

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:02 PM

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also has anyone mentioned

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 8:02 PM

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new uumuu still sucks, just sayin

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:02 PM

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she's HUGE

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like, massive

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thickest moth on the planet

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 8:02 PM

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T R U E ?

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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at least double the normal size

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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absrad seems MUCH LARGER than regular radiance, is that just me?

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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a neat touch is that the little circle of light behind her is way way way bigger too

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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I wasn't here for that. I joined about a week and a half after Godmaster released because I was scared this place was where all the big boys hung out and I was BAD.

compact sedge Sep 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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new uumuu isn't that bad and a lot easier than many of the bosses like markoth and I say this playing without the beta

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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So I set out to prove I was decent and THEN joined

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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haha nice

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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i'm actually garbage at nkg

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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I came back to the game surprisingly good after a long wait for godmaster.

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So far I've got panth 4 clear under my belt and an absrad attuned clear. I havent beaten panth5 yet, sadly...

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And to be honest I dont think I can when grey prince zote always gives me one of the hardest times in the game and absrad continues to pummel me.

vapid cape Sep 17, 2018, 8:04 PM

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For the record and because #humblebrag I was the guy that got the, at least as far as anywhere I could see, first video win of p5 all bindings.

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:04 PM

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if it's possible to make checkpoints as a mod I would hop on it immediately but

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in my ideal world it would be normal bench rooms and you could use a little pool of light at the left to exit

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but given how dream scenes function I dunno if that's possible

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:05 PM

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i truly hope no one ever makes that mod

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 8:05 PM

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I could

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but I won't

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:05 PM

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ok abstain from doing it

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:05 PM

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abstain

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abstai

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absta

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abst

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abs

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absr

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absra

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absrad

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:05 PM

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yeah it makes it way easier but I would probably enjoy it more

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 8:05 PM

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HEAVY BREATHING

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:05 PM

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and I don't make mods for OTHER people to enjoy LUL

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:06 PM

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ptk did you beat p5

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:06 PM

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i'm still practicing absrad

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I wish I didn't have to sit through her intro

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 8:06 PM

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I still think a superboss hornet 2 would be a neat mod, mainly just to see what you could do with a boss like her to make her difficult af

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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yeah kuro

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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nice

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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not absrad tho

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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wdym

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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rad absrad

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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Oh

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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ngl

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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@vivid summit u

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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I'm not seeing the "overlapping patterns"

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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because they don't exist

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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h m ?

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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"several people are typing..."

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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because #hk-discussion is bad

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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i leave myself 1 frame at the end to dash through the beam why am i getting hit???

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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lul

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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56 you mentioned me because?

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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@vivid summit

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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because no u

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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time to mention @vivid summit 56 times

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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time to suppress mentions

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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@vivid summit ok why not

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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take the discord server challenge

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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imagine suppressing mentions

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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ping the server owner 1235869123 times in a row

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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@ mods can we get a delet on the mention above?

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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delete that

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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yo i turned on scroll for volume on ffz and now i can't find the setting

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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extended invuln from razor shadow has tended to carry me so far so I'll see if it works with rad

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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thats what you get for not using bttv

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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yo i found it Pog

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ffz > bttv

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make the switch and you'll see

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:11 PM

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yea i actually have no idea what the difference is

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 8:11 PM

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same tbh

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:11 PM

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ffz is better

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done

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:11 PM

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ok so i made my videos look better bc they looked like 144p

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but now the audio is desynced

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ybham help

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:11 PM

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record audio separately and add it later

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stay woke

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:12 PM

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so what you are saying is

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dont record audio

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:12 PM

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a friend of mine just called absrad "absolute mad rad"

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cornywoke

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:12 PM

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accurate

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:12 PM

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xhu has friends

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:13 PM

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yea its us

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 8:13 PM

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what was your un

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:13 PM

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happygrub

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 8:13 PM

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whymst do you not have any accounts linked

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:13 PM

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i only have my twitch

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:13 PM

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wtf? she has a third phase now???

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MODS

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:13 PM

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but i have like 3 others not displayed

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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<@&283547423706447872> can we get a delet on the 3rd phase above?

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oh no

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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ok

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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sorry

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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is this loss

📎 unknown.png

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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zote

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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😔

📎 ok.png

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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@ is it a mod can we get a delet on this youtube comment

thorn comet Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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3rd phase sorry?

exotic venture Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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wat

copper nacelle Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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it's a #hk-lore meme

river eagle Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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what?

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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he was joking around and accidentally forgot to separate the @ and the mods

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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noooooo

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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good going kuro

thorn comet Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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Ohhh

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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he meant to do @ mods

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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really uh

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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he pranked u

thorn comet Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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FeelsBadMan

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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did a good one there

river eagle Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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corny

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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zote

exotic venture Sep 17, 2018, 8:15 PM

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YOU'RE DEAD TO ME

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:15 PM

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I did a dumb thing.

river eagle Sep 17, 2018, 8:15 PM

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Also
phase

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:15 PM

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@cunning lagoon you're superdash at 1:05

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:15 PM

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your're your mom

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:15 PM

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so when's the ban lads

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:16 PM

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after sub38

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:16 PM

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soon

exotic venture Sep 17, 2018, 8:16 PM

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early 2018

river eagle Sep 17, 2018, 8:16 PM

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so around december 31st

exotic venture Sep 17, 2018, 8:16 PM

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probably

mild kayak Sep 17, 2018, 8:16 PM

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merry christmas

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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is it a known thing that double jumps sometimes do the full jump instead of just a little hop if you only tap it?

river eagle Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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at exactly 23:59

exotic venture Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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yes

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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yeah that happens sometimes

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im not sure why

river eagle Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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happy new years ban

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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must be a new bug

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it's very frustrating

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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nah it's been around for a while

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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no wings are just ass

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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haven't encountered it before

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:18 PM

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ok so 56 do you happen to know why my audio is desynced now

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:19 PM

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📎 ok.png

sour oriole Sep 17, 2018, 8:19 PM

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So i installed mantis gods :/

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:19 PM

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veru

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die

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:20 PM

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yay I did her a kill

sour oriole Sep 17, 2018, 8:20 PM

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after 3 mins of dying i killed the first mantis lord, couldnt kill the 2 of them at once tho, 2fast4me

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:20 PM

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that wasn't so bad

thorn comet Sep 17, 2018, 8:21 PM

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Yeah thats an old bug

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the double jump thing

sour oriole Sep 17, 2018, 8:21 PM

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well, she's easier since her projectile doesnt return to her

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just fast, really fast, you Can adapt to that speed

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:21 PM

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yeah

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:21 PM

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you can adapt to double super dash

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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how do people pogo absrad last phase

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are you just god

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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the balls despawn when they go above the screen

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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what

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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you press down and attack

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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i thought one time you said they didn't

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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they despawn on the last phase

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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wow nice consistent mechanics

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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I was trying to pogo her on last phase but I couldn't consistently do it

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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i assume it's because it's the end of the map or something??

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so like they are just gone

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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absrad became free brb

sour oriole Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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Who is absard again ?

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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absolute radiance

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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idk who is absard

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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ur spelling's absurd

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gotem

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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so yeah she teleports every few seconds so you just dash to the other side before she actually teleports

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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absur mom

sour oriole Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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😎

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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and keep pogoing her

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very free

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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can i just side slash

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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sure

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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just double hit shade soul lol

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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but i dont think they despawn if they go below the screen

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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can tc nerf climb

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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GWchadMEGATHINK

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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okay I'm bored of radiance now

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time for code

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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time for p5 checkpoint

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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i mean you can also hug one side

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and shriek her a few times when she teleports near you

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and shade soul when she's on the other side

sour oriole Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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every time i was trying to no hit the radiance(absolute included) i got hit by her spear throw attack thing, today i learned you can DDark through it 😕

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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but where's the fun in that

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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I wonder if I should implement glorification glorification for beating panth5

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just go balls to the wall and make everything op

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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oh so lightbringer

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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LMAO

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MODS???

hazy sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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@ Mods

hollow pier Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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imagine being bored of absrad when ura tovarishchi exists

sour oriole Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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~~revert steel tempest~~

fair rampart Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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y

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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ok so

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ptk

vivid summit Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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glorified glorified charms sounds so stupid and I love it

cunning lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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i want to submit my new pb