but no
#archived-modding-development
copper nacelle
compact sedge
lul I didn't know fireattarget worked on just enemies
I knew you could fire projectiles
copper nacelle
@floral furnace auto-aim bullets thank
fair rampart
I only just realized the infinite Grimm mod makes the fight infinite, not let you fight him infinite times with scaling difficulty lol
compact sedge
we could add autoaim but I want ttacco to approve anything bfore I do it.
cunning lagoon
really makes you fuckin think
compact sedge
refighting grimm infinite times would be less interesting imo
cunning lagoon
yeah
copper nacelle
int compare is a terrible fsm action
fair rampart
True
cunning lagoon
@hollow pier is this you
slow fable
how long did you fight him before you realized
hollow pier
platypus has got a ironsight, but it's shitty implemented. Map is not huge so I wouldn't e
compact sedge
int compare is like the thing in TIS-100 but in a high level language
fair rampart
I was thinking this because of how Grimm child upgrades phrases it in it's setting
cunning lagoon
platypus has got a ironsight, but it's shitty implemented. Map is not huge so I wouldn't e
hazy sentinel
e
copper nacelle
eeeeeeee
hollow pier
5555
fair rampart
EA SPORTS
hollow pier
e5
fair rampart
It's in the game
hollow pier
pawn to e5 haha
fair rampart
Brb
hollow pier
that's a bad play
hazy sentinel
hollow pier
no one tell him
hazy sentinel
it's called equus equus @cunning lagoon
copper nacelle
nice latin
hollow pier
my little pony
copper nacelle
horse horse
copper nacelle
ceaseth
cunning lagoon
Equus is a genus of mammals in the family Equidae, which includes horses, donkeys, and zebras. Within Equidae, Equus is the only recognized extant genus, comprising seven living species. The term equine refers to any member of this genus, including horses.
copper nacelle
equus is the latin word for horse
hollow pier
a beautiful heart
faithful and strong
sharing, kindness it's an easy feat
and magic makes it all complete
copper nacelle
stop
hollow pier
my little pony
copper nacelle
why do you know this
hollow pier
don't you know you're all my very best friends
hazy sentinel
my little massive cunt blocked
copper nacelle
khan did you see what i did
trim totem
no what did you see
copper nacelle
hollow pier
now veru can block everyone but me
trim totem
nani
copper nacelle
no
what
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die
compact sedge
you guys know roses are in the rose family, rose species, and rose genus?
hollow pier
ur mum rose genus
copper nacelle
i should revert ptkyr's pfp
hazy sentinel
horse
trim totem
are they tho
cunning lagoon
oh i see
dusky lion
56 give 753 a pfp that isnt 753
copper nacelle
no
dusky lion
Very sad
hazy sentinel
wow finch r u a sophomore
compact sedge
this is disgusting
cunning lagoon
Rosa
compact sedge
also I wonder if 56 is gonna revert my image
cunning lagoon
revert mine
copper nacelle
?
compact sedge
@dusky lion high school or college?
cunning lagoon
?
dusky lion
high school
compact sedge
wow you are young af
copper nacelle
no u
hazy sentinel
56 literally a fetus
compact sedge
you assholes have basically hacked the pentagon and discovered new quantum particles by the time you got out of your mother's wombs, meanwhile I can't think of a damn good thing I did 5 years ago when I was a sophomore in highschool.
cunning lagoon
dusky lion
implying I did something good
hazy sentinel
u finished sophomore year in high school @compact sedge
dusky lion
you existed
compact sedge
5 years ago I was starting sophomore year
copper nacelle
sophomore is 2nd year
compact sedge
that's hardly an accomplishment
compact sedge
dying an infantile death at 15. ha I wish.
cunning lagoon
me irl
dusky lion
no
dusky lion
dusky lion
I will not revert
dusky lion
sad
hazy sentinel
surprised 56 didnt die
copper nacelle
wow i didn't even have to revert u
slow fable
hey guys i know this isn't a spoiler free chat, but i haven't yet beat sophomore year so can we keep spoilers to a minimum
copper nacelle
ez
copper nacelle
hazy sentinel
:LUL:
cunning lagoon
hollow pier
hazy sentinel
time to hit the books
dusky lion
I love :zot
copper nacelle
ur mum dead
copper nacelle
u
fair rampart
oOF
copper nacelle
nice
vagrant leaf
i see
vagrant leaf
no i do
also time to wait 3 days at most for somebody to beat pantheon 5 all bindings with darkroom
copper nacelle
cunning lagoon
very good joke
imo
did anyone end up beating vanilla rad on darkmod
i remember someone mentioning that
copper nacelle
@leaden hedge did u
cunning lagoon
hollow pier
how can you not beat it after doing absrad lol
cunning lagoon
yeah just dodge the attackslol
copper nacelle
absrad dark mod
leaden hedge
made it better https://gfycat.com/EthicalScrawnyGavial
copper nacelle
is this death's gambit
leaden hedge
but harderer to dogderer
copper nacelle
yes
solemn rivet
no, this is patrick
cunning lagoon
copper nacelle
leaden hedge
should I do horizontal swaps too 🤔
also the way I have it set up lets me move the offsets whenever
compact sedge
nah that would be too fair
leaden hedge
i only make fair mechanics
solemn rivet
make it random. One of the beam has no contact damage, but there's no way to tell which one
and they all kill in one hit
copper nacelle
@floral furnace https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/481264619135041546.png?v=1
copper nacelle
both
trim totem
blursed
solemn rivet
clessed?
trim totem
no
ember bloom
floral furnace
@compact sedge probably make the auto aim into a charm upgrade
~~also is it bad that thinking that i have to start using distance formula or whatever math shit just to fire at the enemies position ~~
compact sedge
do you want autoaim as a feature because there's some awesome enemy position detection code in grimmchild, which I later added to redwing because ofc I effing did.
Also, semi related question but do you want bullets that curve towards enemies?
floral furnace
originally i was SLIGHTLY deviating to some sort of realism but, that would be fucking boring so why the hell not?
i mean its a fucking game about insects how would adding guns even add some degree of realism
compact sedge
wtf you want realism in your gun mod?
floral furnace
also ive been thinking about sean's suggestion about the gun use for mobility, and i want to add that as well
naive heart
flying flukemarms from the flukenest charm, that auto aim in on enemies.
That sounds more logical.
floral furnace
well that was sort of part of the joke, i mean the fact that its a game about insects but theres realistic guns in it
compact sedge
ok but tbh being propelled upwards by bullets >>>> pogoing with nails
floral furnace
like its so fucking dumb, hence thats somewhat why i wanted to add it as well /shrug
compact sedge
also uh balance wise I think curved bullets shouldn't be added to normal bullets themselves but to the fireball spell so that it costs soul to use.
floral furnace
oh yeah i was thinking of doing something like quake or half life, charging now fires a big ass bullet that propels you farther only thing it needs is bunny hopping
yeah that makes sense angle
also wdym you added it in redwing for grimm child? oh wait you just mean you added the grimmchild function INTO the regular redwing spells
misread that
compact sedge
yeah. it's a gud function.
rain cedar
Jump
hollow pier
oh wait
ember raft
dash off of the wall rather than the floor
hollow pier
ln + mop maybe
ember raft
or is that the area where there is no wall
hollow pier
this tunnel is so garbage can i not find a skip
solemn rivet
TTacco play some iconoclasts and see how they handle the gun mechanics there imo
rain cedar
Wow nice gradow is doing my job for me
solemn rivet
Don't complain if it's a shitty job when it's done then
turbid arch
so, i recently beat the original game and decided to install some mods. What are some recommended mods to begin with? is the Modinstaller compilation on moddb safe to use?
compact sedge
I mean it's as safe as the modinstaller on the website
since it's made and uploaded by the same person
solemn rivet
It's made by us, so it's as safe as we are
turbid arch
oh, as said first time im venturing into Hollow Knight modding.
that does not tell me much.
but at least im a little less paranoid.
turbid arch
so my computer won't get std's, thats good to know.
compact sedge
and I never have sex so ya know.
solemn rivet
See? That's like 101% safe
compact sedge
hey ladies, do you want a complete nerd with zero experience under the covers? yeah didn't think so.
solemn rivet
Kutku you can think of it like this
the installer is open source
you can find its source on my github
and if you don' trust that the version online is simply what's in the code, well, you have the option to simply compile it yourself
turbid arch
yah, i found the github version but wasn't sure that it was the same as on moddb. and got kind of paranoid when the installer simple extracted a file named lol.exe
compact sedge
lol.exe is actually a copy of modinstaller which downloads au.exe which is the auto updater
solemn rivet
yeah, I should probably rename that, shouldn't I?
it gets auto-deleted when you run the installer tho
compact sedge
why does it need to make a copy of itself tho that's what I don't get
solemn rivet
so it shouldn't be a problem
it doesn't, AA
windows is shit
so you can't alter a program while it's running
compact sedge
also it didn't delete itself on linux
solemn rivet
so here's how it works:
installer downloads AU and closes itself. AU downloads lol and replaces the installer with it (and closes itself). Installer deletes the AU.
compact sedge
why does lol.exe need to exist
if you can just:
run AU
close modinstaller
delete modinstaller
download new modinstaller
run new modinstaller
why does lol.exe need to come into play
solemn rivet
nah, ty m8
solemn rivet
good thing is, au is hosted on github
so I don't need to edit xmls and all that jazz
56 send me one of your ancient installer versions
like, not that ancient
one that has update features
solemn rivet
that reminds me
I have to get back on working on blackmoth
@turbid arch you asked about mods. What kind of mods would you like? I can't make random recommendations, but if you're looking for something specific...
turbid arch
i guess something to spice up the gameplay. alternate playstyles or something like that.
solemn rivet
ok
in that category we have
Lightbringer, which you probably know of
Blackmoth
Redwing
turbid arch
seen it, thought it was outdated.
turbid arch
Any essential/quality of life mods?
solemn rivet
Randomizer(2) and Enemy rando alters the environment, but don't do anything to the knight
and Chaos mod is meme
turbid arch
ooh randomizer sounds fun.
solemn rivet
well, there's qol mod
turbid arch
il commit these to memory (write them down)
solemn rivet
but it's not that useful for non-speedrunners
it allows for menu-dropping and (some) cutscene skipping
56 is working on skipping all cutscenes
floral furnace
wdym not that useful to non speedrunners, it shuts salubra up at full soul so thats pretty much worth it on its own /s
solemn rivet
there's also that
if you want to make your life hell, there's Hell mod and Darkness mod
if you want some spiced up boss fights theres Infinite Grimm, Mantis Gods and Lost Kid Lord
oh yeah, speaking of QOL mods
cunning lagoon
really loving the subreddit today
solemn rivet
there's also Fast text (self explanatory) and enemyhpbars, which adds hp bars to every enemy (bosses included)
floral furnace
I thought youve gotten past the "never go to the subreddit" rule already
solemn rivet
dlk needs his daily fix of people being stupid and petty and stupidly petty
turbid arch
isn't that the internet in general?
you don't need reddit for that.
Also thank you for the recommendations.
solemn rivet
np
also, yeah, that's the internet
but here in the discord is the land of fantasies
no one hates anyone
we're all friends and love each other
and we're all nice to each other
except firzen
turbid arch
that in itself makes me somewhat scared.
turbid arch
we will see.
solemn rivet
k
if you need any help, please ask in #archived-modding-help
Mystery is already one of us
exotic venture
are we all nice to each other though
wait what i don't even have a modder role
i didn't sign up for this
solemn rivet
but you're a modder in your heart
compact sedge
Mys is more of a modder than me.
solemn rivet
tbf AA isn't a modder and he's literally made more for the modding community than I have
compact sedge
smh you inspired me tho gradow so take that for what it's worth
you and NKG being such a damn good boss
cunning lagoon
compact sedge
no you and NKG. it's a boss where you fight two enemies at once
cunning lagoon
Infinite Nightmare God Gradow
solemn rivet
Redwing CP2 new boss revealed!
compact sedge
one who can dash around everywhere and the other a modder.
solemn rivet
make me like a hacker enemy that changes reality
or rather
oh boi, hear me out
make redwing's final boss be
the blackmoth
compact sedge
woah
solemn rivet
and it uses grubbers and stuff
compact sedge
when it uses its grubberfly ability you can only hit it with fireballs.
solemn rivet
yeah! Because you need to dispel the darkness or some shit
solemn rivet
and hitting it with shade spells heals it
copper nacelle
solemn rivet
also shade dash/sharp shadow
that's actually be pretty cool
and I could add a redwing final boss in blackmoth
so we'd be like Pokemon
compact sedge
I have 0 idea how to make bosses in mods or I would.
hollow pier
so how do you gain height
cunning lagoon
jump
compact sedge
jumping?
copper nacelle
updash
solemn rivet
as soon as I'm happy with blackmoth, I'm gonna dismantle KDT's fennel and use the heck out of it
hollow pier
there's nothing else
cunning lagoon
yeah if ou are trying to do the tunnel thing
exotic venture
i think kdt managed to import a boss from a different game to hollow knight
that route may work out
cunning lagoon
just pogo at the peak height of your jump and at the end of the saw cycle
copper nacelle
he re-made the boss to be tbh
hollow pier
is there like some dash into dj meme
solemn rivet
well, in blackmoth, if you updash you can gain momentum and go flying
so maybe, ptkyr?
compact sedge
you gotta dash into a record table
hollow pier
you can't even jump high enough to pogo off the saw at max
i guess double pogo with qs
exotic venture
oh aight
hollow pier
this tunnel is the worst part of pop
cunning lagoon
why is the pop actually well made PepeHands
exotic venture
the tunnel is hell
copper nacelle
:pepehands: global when
exotic venture
7 hours of pure hell
hollow pier
feels like it's slow no matter what you do there
cunning lagoon
you can dash straight to the second saw with sharp shadow
and you dont have to djump
its p fast
hollow pier
yeah that's the only fast thing
cunning lagoon
but skipping it would be soo good
cunning lagoon
on the alternating saws?
hollow pier
yeah i pogo
cunning lagoon
i pogo the left saw, and wj from the left wall to the right
i think pogoing the left saw then pogoing the right saw might be faster
hollow pier
massive timesave if the wall was a bit lower
compact sedge
I built a thing to replace the soul bar but how do I fill it with fire that doesn't look awful?
and also TC sorta animates the soul bar and idk how they do that..
hollow pier
make it lava
compact sedge
hollow pier
good
compact sedge
this looks actually awful idk how to do this
hollow pier
shade it
exotic venture
stop following ptkyr's orders because they're awful as usual
you could maybe do with assets from in game
hollow pier
i still think it needs shading
floral furnace
steal the regular soul bar but resprite it
exotic venture
^ that's the easiest one
compact sedge
that's well not exactly what I'm doing but sorta what I'm doing in essence
I looked up how to make cracks in krita and... apparently people pirate this free drawing program.
but why?
rain cedar
Drawing instead of procedural generation lol
compact sedge
https://download.kde.org/stable/krita/4.1.1/krita-x64-4.1.1-setup.exe Guys I found a free cracked version of krita. don't tell anyone it's super secret and illegal.
I just downloaded a lava texture. need opinions
floral furnace
needs more orange ngl
exotic venture
idk i think the lava doesn't really fit for what you're going for
young walrus
exotic venture
since you're using fiery spells you want some sort of fuel right
exotic venture
i was rather thinking go full fuckin metal and use actual infection as your fuel
floral furnace
the soul bar has that kind of... glowy part of it
exotic venture
set the place ablaze
hollow pier
is that a pizza mick
compact sedge
I tried making it more orangy
now it looks like a pizza
wait mys has a point
hold on
floral furnace
this is your chance to promote and shill sunny d tbh
hollow pier
sentient pizza
floral furnace
it all makes sense, those arent sawblades in WP, those are pizza cutters
compact sedge
so uh where are the infection blobs in the texture dump
copper nacelle
@cunning lagoon is this u
exotic venture
why did you put cheese under the sauce
copper nacelle
cause sauce > cheese
young walrus
chicago style deep dish
exotic venture
the cheese is the best part what are you talking about
floral furnace
not if you add pineapples on it 😎
hazy sentinel
the onion's the best part
young walrus
hazy sentinel
oic
young walrus
I haven't had a chicago deep dish for a long time
there's so much cheese under there. 
compact sedge
infection texture
I can even draw eyes on it if you want
hopefully better than these tho
hollow pier
👀
copper nacelle
compact sedge
I'm never gonna be let into the elite HK artists guild discord server at this rate.
at this rate they are probably gonna put a hit out on me for how bad my art is
copper nacelle
copper nacelle
cunning lagoon
may i acq an invite
cunning lagoon
tyvm
copper nacelle
floral furnace
question if you make a go that you want to instantiate that has physics on it, do you just add a physics2d or whatever component or
floral furnace
oh thats it ty
cunning lagoon
you're your welcome
hollow pier
make 
global
hollow pier
make it wrok
cunning lagoon
you heard him benji make it wrok 😡
cunning lagoon
wow he's done it
hollow pier
wow
floral furnace
youre my hero 56 i respect you so much great work
hollow pier
copper nacelle
buoyant obsidian
I'm DMCAing you
copper nacelle
solemn rivet
so, I'm trying to get how properties work
young walrus
so.... there's this land, right?
and you can buy it
and then you own that land
and that land, is then your property
solemn rivet
if I start a property as private GameObject lol {get; set;} and then do, somewhere random in code lol = HeroController.instance does it get a reference to HC or a pointer to it?
young walrus
and you can own multiple lots of land like this
solemn rivet
ooooh
young walrus
and if you do, you have multiple properties
solemn rivet
so like
young walrus
no
solemn rivet
can I own people too Mick?
copper nacelle
get/set have an auto backing field
fair rampart
just so everyone knows florence will be knocking out my power so any issues with exaltation will have to wait til next week
solemn rivet
and if I can't own people
copper nacelle
solemn rivet
well, yeah
copper nacelle
should be a ref
you could do
private GameObject lol { get => HeroController.instance; }```how is that different from what I'm doing tho?
I mean, sure, it's not getting it on construct
but I don't want it to get it on construct because HC is null
I need for it to not be null
IEnumerator ConfigureHero()
{
while (HeroController.instance == null)
yield return new WaitForEndOfFrame();
_hc = HeroController.instance;
//more bad code
}```that should be the same to be tbh
solemn rivet
yeah, I figured
copper nacelle
unless herocontroller.instance dies
and then comes back to life with a new instance
solemn rivet
so if I do _hc.someBool = true; will it be the same as HeroController.instance.someBool = true;?
yeah, I have that issue, 56
but that's easy to fix
copper nacelle
ye it should be while _hc is a ref to HeroController.instance
solemn rivet
rn blackmoth only works on the first save you load, and if you s&q, you need ro relaunch the game for it to work
ok, nice!
ty
copper nacelle
yw
compact sedge
I make all my mod components gameobjects on the GameManager
and they get destroyed by saving and quitting
so the hook is OnDestroy
solemn rivet
huh
compact sedge
if you wanna move your mod from a Mod to a MonoBehavior I have some simple code for doing that
solemn rivet
I think I can figure that out
solemn rivet
Hey, is there any way I can add a text input on the game's interface a la randomizer?
I want to implement a runtime animation player for debugging purposes
I know how to do that second part
But I need the user to be able to input the clip name
Or select it from a list
That could also work
solemn rivet
I think I like the list thing more tbh, and I could add the inputfield for filtering the list
Because you don't always know the name of the clip you're looking for
Ty AA, I'll take a look when I'm back home
But would that be of any use to anyone else?
Animation and sounds
Possibly even enabling/disabling meshrenderers
compact sedge
idk depends on how much more/less work it is for me to do that than create a simple gameobject with a simple component that animates it
sounds wouldn't be that useful since you can play them on the herocontroller at any time.
solemn rivet
I mean, I plan on using it to redo the whole superdash fsm in code
So I need the anims and sounds
But fsm viewers are somewhat unreliable
For many reasons, including their usage of fsmgameobjects
So it would be nice to simply be able to play an animation on command
compact sedge
yeah the animations one would be useful but I'd have no idea where to start writing that kinda code.
leaden hedge
foreach(Clip c in tk2dSpriteAnimator.Library.clips){
Debug.Log(c.name);
}
tk2dSpriteAnimator.Play("name");
is how animations are played via tk2d
tk2dSpriteAnimator is a component
if it uses unities animator you're SoL afaik
plucky fog
nimble lake
Is there a mod that saves Tiso, Cloth and Maya?
cunning lagoon
exotic venture
yes it's called Suck It Up and Move On
nimble lake
I WILL NOT.
fossil oxide
exotic venture
anyways the way you can do it is
nimble lake
Or maybe at least save edit to do that
compact sedge
Maya?
exotic venture
- Cloth can be saved by not rescuing her in Ancient Basin in which case she will be in Dirtmouth, unable to face her fears and live unfulfilled
- Tiso cannot be saved, sorry.
- "Maya" can only be saved if you beat the Pantheon of Hallownest, since THK also survived his infection so that is the most likely way.
myla
lmao
i forgot
compact sedge
oh, the amazing infintite myla mod makes her unkillable
nimble lake
same
exotic venture
sorry i don't resort to black magic
compact sedge
but the only way you are stopping her from being infected is with some speedrun strats to skip a few key items that infect her.
exotic venture
all you are willing to perform is necromancy
compact sedge
also you can only get the first ending this way
nimble lake
Isn't there a way to save Cloth and she'll end up sleeping in Dirtmouth?
young walrus
that's bretta
compact sedge
no that's worse
exotic venture
nope!
you can even dreamnail her and you can see she still regrets not getting her redemption
so left or right, she either dies fulfilling her promise, or she dies in vain because she is too scared
depends on whatever your sanity can deal with
nimble lake
I actually don't remember what I did
cunning lagoon
just kill them all lol
nimble lake
no.
compact sedge
https://gitlab.com/natis1/redwing/issues/4 just found a very critical bug with my code.
in all seriousness... the vanilla game needed a few more bug reports like this one tho
compact sedge
hornet being infected will only make sense if hornet in the hornet DLC works with redwing which... yeah no that's not happening
redwing's a story about the knight
nimble lake
What is redwing
compact sedge
what is this channel?
nimble lake
modding
compact sedge
well you answered your own question.
nimble lake
But what is this mod
exotic venture
who says it has to be infection that's good
instead, you could treat it like the Seer
like, everyone gets freed from darkness and remembers, and therefore ascends
so IMO the ending is wrong
compact sedge
infection isn't good
Redwing is the dreams of an infected vessel.
and your goal is to break that infection
copper nacelle
wow spoiled
exotic venture
then interpret it differently
instead of breaking the infection you can come to terms with it
of course you die, but the pain fades away and the rest, well, that's up to imagination
compact sedge
there's lots of endings in redwing and there's gonna be more coming soon â„¢ but it's hard to work on endings when you have so much free time and nothing to procrastinate. it's much easier to make them when you can mod as an excuse to not do homework
which will be me in 2 weeks
exotic venture
compact sedge
wut it's true
exotic venture
well all right
if you really wanna make lore for your mod it's good to think about how you want to interpret this ailment
you could change the main dialogue sure but it would be fun to have your own twist to it
is it a blessing or a curse to be infected? what can be gained for it? is there a link with the higher being that created it?
compact sedge
I have an interpretation of it which is revealed to some extent through the dialogue but which will become more clear as I work on GM dialogue since GM takes place within the dream of the godseeker.
idk that I wanna say too much because this isn't #hk-lore (lul)
(why when I type #lor does #low-percent come up?)
exotic venture
w/e modders and speedrunners asleep post lore
copper nacelle
u
compact sedge
More or less after the PK has established himself. The radiance starts appearing in bugs' dreams, ya know same as before. And essentially offering them the unity they had before- this isn't the infection but something more akin to what is alluded to by the big caterpillar- this I refer to as the Dream. The PK sees this as an attack on his kingdom and sets into motion the plan to create a vessel to contain these thoughts and the radiance. He gets his vessel, who fights her and consumes her.
But neither side wins this battle. The radiance is trapped within the vessel's body but the void of the vessel manages to corrupt her mind. This twists her thoughts and essentially subverts her unity. It is this corruption and the combination of the light's desire to control the land and provide unity with the hollow knight's goals: To extinguish the light, and to not think or feel that creates the infection. The infection is elements of both of these. It has the radiant dreams as before but the light of them feels empty and shallow and lacks in any clarity and brightness. The bugs become thoughtless because it was the knight's desire to not think. The PC too is somewhat infected, and if he wishes to break this must purify the radiance, or he can try consuming it.
ok there
fair rampart
for exaltation I tried to go lore-neutral that could- oh
Anyone know how to change the settings for the GrimmChild Upgrades mod?
compact sedge
it's where your save files are
there's a GrimmchildUpgrades.GlobalSettings.json you can edit in notepad or something
anyway all this text dump is why after balancing things a flower ending makes sense and is gonna be eventually added as soon as I get around to editing the video and building the scenes to edit.
fair rampart
is that in steam common?
young walrus
it's also in pins
exotic venture
hm that kinda goes against the basis of what dreams are and where the radiance gets her powers from tbh
fair rampart
ah it's in appdata, thanks
compact sedge
Mys actually knows lore oh god.
exotic venture
basically they are the bugs deepest desire that the radiance exploits
by sating those needs the pale king tried to stop the radiance from appearing
by giving bugs a mind he could fulfill those dreams and therefore erase the radiance from the minds of his denizens
compact sedge
Nothing about that changes. The radiance isn't some pure being who doesn't use tricks to accomplish her goals. The idea behind her "unity" is to provide the bugs with an entirely fake dream world in which they are happy.
and this is why the PK constructs the vessel. he wants to keep the reign over the kingdom.
exotic venture
the problem with that was that the needs of bugs were absolutely unsated since pure desire still arose from it
river eagle
lore
exotic venture
i'm more talking about the corruption part
river eagle
but in modding
fair rampart
Are they going to update the list of moods and their uses in the pinned #archived-modding-help ?
mods*
copper nacelle
no
compact sedge
But the infected dreams are not this ideal world where all your desires are fufilled. they seem that way at first maybe but they are false. And they are false because of the corruption which affects the radiance.
fair rampart
rip
exotic venture
but wasn't reverting bugs to their basic forms her goal? i mean, she drives instinct of all things
frigid gale
Primitive Buggos
exotic venture
also we should probably dump this in DMs since now people wanna talk about modding and modders arent doing their jobs by telling us to stop the discussion and moving it to DMs
as per usual
copper nacelle
begone
exotic venture
three way? think it was just me and AA
hollow pier
stay hella woke
frigid gale
I come back to see mystery sayin three way?
exotic venture
can we don't
river eagle
nothing..
exotic venture
hal i can't believe you've done this
frigid gale
copper nacelle
frigid gale
Y'know Ill have a three way with you guys any time. Don't leave me waiting Mystery... 
copper nacelle
can u don't
river eagle
Also 56, what did you say I was supposed to use to uncompile the files?
Redhat something right?
odd jetty
Hmmm, threeway, I know something that is better than three way
copper nacelle
make a docker container
cease
of rhel7
use the centos repos iirc
clone the files there and modify
copper nacelle
use pyinstaller to compile
and save the docker container so you can modify again easily
river eagle
Why doesn't the github just have uncompiled versions already to make this easier 
frigid gale
idk
copper nacelle
@river eagle it does
river eagle
actually, do I even need to compile them again
copper nacelle
yes
river eagle
the .py files should work right?
copper nacelle
wdym
river eagle
What if I were to just use the uncompiled versions
or do they have some other formatting?
river eagle
I mean the .pyc files are the compiled ones
and the .py are uncompiled
yet they work fine
copper nacelle
what
river eagle
okay looks like I'm seriously missing something here
odd jetty
What are you downloading that uses python?
river eagle
these are the compiled ones right?
odd jetty
Yes
river eagle
yeah and I can't edit them
copper nacelle
yes
river eagle
but I can edit the .py files
odd jetty
Yes
river eagle
so what if I just don't turn them into .pyc files
odd jetty
But what are you trying to do?
copper nacelle
delete the pyc and then modify the .py
might work
@odd jetty they're running zote off a uni server but the uni server didn't even have python installed at all so i pyinstaller'd it
river eagle
it's just that the .pyc files have some codes the .py files are missing
odd jetty
wat
hollow pier
.pyccknn
odd jetty
who, why are you using a bot that runs with python and how do you only have pyc files
river eagle
56, I went through every single .py files I could edit, and for example nowhere did I find the code fror the ;psa command
river eagle
so it has to be in the compiled files
copper nacelle
u fool
cunning lagoon
i dont see a problem here
odd jetty
Why not use a virtual env? o.o
copper nacelle
virtual env didn't work
tried that
their gcc version is too low
and i don't want to recompile python
copper nacelle
cause python won't run w/ a gcc version that low
river eagle
you mean I should be able to find the code somewhere in the .py files?
odd jetty
The machine is windows?
river eagle
it's an old ass linux server
odd jetty
I never saw a linux without python
copper nacelle
same
odd jetty
it must be a old python
odd jetty
you probably can turn pyc back into py btw
fossil oxide
Discussions
fossil oxide
What about expositions ?
exotic venture
this is an old version though
copper nacelle
pyinstaller
compiles things into binaries
so you don't have to have python to run a python program
river eagle
It's just that I'm very confused why ;artpsa doesn't work 
I literally copied the code from ;psa
and yet
;artpsa
river eagle
so I thought I had to edit the compiled files
odd jetty
Edit compiled files
river eagle
same thing with
still says 107% even though I changed it to 112 in the data.py file
I even changed it to 112% in the init folder
odd jetty
Did you reboot the bot?
river eagle
obviously
fossil oxide
rebot the bot*
odd jetty
Well, why the virtualenv doesn't work?
copper nacelle
lemme type out the error
fossil oxide
inb4 'the error'
copper nacelle
river eagle
I already went through the error with Conrad
copper nacelle
yeah it means you need a python compiled for that glibc version
river eagle
copper nacelle
e
odd jetty
can't you copy and paste that .so file?
copper nacelle
no
river eagle
I feel like conrad has no idea about how linux works
river eagle
Linus Torvalds you mean?
odd jetty
So weird
copper nacelle
@odd jetty so to get around it i used http://www.pyinstaller.org/ in a docker container so it'd make everything for the right gcc version
odd jetty
why python needs gcc
odd jetty
oh
odd jetty
I just think that compiled python is quite weird
copper nacelle
@river eagle is this u
river eagle
yes, literally me in the pic
also I moved the data.pyc file from the directory
but still
compact sedge
So how much ram does zote take to run anyway?
copper nacelle
moved and restarted?
river eagle
yep it's now in the main directory
probably can't read it from there
currently both the data.py in Zote and in _ init _ have 112%
river eagle
I mean I used the kill -9 command
compact sedge
hmm
river eagle
and then tried using a zote command, didn't respond
compact sedge
why aren't you using like tmux or something with the bot
so you can just kill it with ctrl + c
instead of force killing it
river eagle
and without admin perms...
copper nacelle
no screen afaik
compact sedge
or no
copper nacelle
that or screen was breaking
odd jetty
So, no sudo dist-upgrade?
river eagle
The server itself is running python 2.7
copper nacelle
aka useless
compact sedge
smh my head I should just host zote
except I'm not a mod so yeah that's not happening
exotic venture
could also host it but my internet is unreliable as fuck
compact sedge
I have a vps but it has a puny amount of ram (1GB)
exotic venture
ouh, how much do you pay for it
been thinking about getting a vps for ruby shenanigans
or rather, sinatra shenanigans since RoR sucks and I wanna test stuff
compact sedge
5 dollars a month but starting out they give me 10 "free" months for 5 dollars and I'm planning on, before that free trial ends, getting hosting through my linux user group.
exotic venture
that's not all that expensive dang
also is setting up a webserver with a domain like you have dependant on what VPS provider you have?
compact sedge
no
river eagle
It's fine, this server is up 24/7h and it's free for me
exotic venture
like, does it just work or do you need specific requirements
compact sedge
if you have a VPS you get a linux VM where you are root.
and you have a public ip address
copper nacelle
is zote restarted
compact sedge
that in theory doesn't change
now basically how it works is you get images of pre setup systems you can load on. I loaded on a basic gentoo one and updated everything and then installed nginx and setup the server with that.
then I just told my domain provider (namecheap) to point to that public ip that I was given and it just worked.
compact sedge
some VPSes don't provide images for certain OSes (so you're forced to use like debian or something, unless you wanna make your own image which sounds like actual pain)
some VPSes force you to use a certain kernel (bad ones, don't use any that do this, they are very insecure)
just avoid the ones that do these things and you should be good
exotic venture
i'll probably go with ubuntu since that's what i'm mostly familiar with...
compact sedge
every one should have ubuntu
exotic venture
all right, thank you!
compact sedge
idk what the difference is between ubuntu and debian when you don't have a gui tho
copper nacelle
also yeah debian unstable is rolling
exotic venture
so i'll pick what's still commonly used and getting updated
and i quite liked kubuntu when i was using it on this ancient windows vista laptop
so i think i can manage with just a console with that
compact sedge
understandable
I stopped really following the differences between distros once gentoo consumed my computers I found a distro I liked.
exotic venture
i tried tinkering around with gento and portage isn't really that to my liking so i kinda forewent that
copper nacelle
nixOS
copper nacelle
n i x o s
weak lodge
yo angle what’s your highest score on grimmfinity?
exotic venture
pins?
compact sedge
on normal mode probably the one I got yesterday, 18k.
since I have never done the reworked normal mode before on non-onehit
weak lodge
oshyt
compact sedge
sorry mys but the scoreboard doesn't track normal mode anymore because of the 4 or 5 people who can survive it forever
exotic venture
f
copper nacelle
except of boredom
compact sedge
no need anymore
compact sedge
I made it so the hits to stun caps out
compact sedge
free if you can survive it at the old hardmode's max speed which a couple people can.
but by design now
new hardmode tho
ain't free
and I still am not convinced a human can get more than 20k on that
weak lodge
Kurosh best player when
copper nacelle
except like minor testing
exotic venture
i haven't played any mods since 1.3.3.7 was a thing
compact sedge
anyway mys I have two large problems with gentoo
- Is it takes a lot of disk space. Probably an extra 5-10 GB over other distros on average.
- building the kernel. genkernel never automatically copies config files over which is annoying, and beyond that there's no readymade kernel config files that you can use, unless you steal them from other distros like arch.
exotic venture
yeah i heard that was kind of a problem, having to recompile after every update
that kinda irked me too
kubuntu was pretty okay with that though, not as customizable and configurable as i'd have hoped but eh it worked
and it supported the odd setups i sometimes have
compact sedge
The biggest problem is making kernel configs by hand sucks when your only goal is "I want all the crap inside my computer to have working drivers for it"
copper nacelle
isn't there a thing for that
auto something
i used it when i was compiling my own kernel
exotic venture
iirc no
compact sedge
not that I'm aware of
because it's like ok let me find the driver for x or y or z. ok so it's a network product so let me go into network, oh it's actually in usb drivers so let me go there and scroll through those
compact sedge
that only works if you ALREADY have working drivers for stuff
compact sedge
which requires you having already made a working kernel config
compact sedge
and the other problem with localmodconfig is it means you can't plug in any new devices
exotic venture
i remember having to get drivers for my ethernet connection which wouldn't work
so it tried to search up the drivers through ethernet
compact sedge
rip
exotic venture
which failed
so i got an sd card instead because usb drives wouldn't work due to some dumb reason
guess what
it needed a driver for that too
compact sedge
copper nacelle
nice
compact sedge
@copper nacelle but see how even with your solution you need to steal a kernel from another OS. it's the same as stealing a kernel config from another OS. Gentoo should just come bundled with a kernel config that has everything enabled.
exotic venture
so the only way i got it working was to butcher my CD drive, grab the SATA data/power converter out of my main rig because i used a slim drive, grab another hard drive, put the drivers on that and that worked