archived-modding-development

[copper nacelle]

free empty hops

[ornate rivet]

cant you just dodge that with dash?

I dont understand

[hazy sentinel]

who watches the watchers

[copper nacelle]

is that the menu as you hit water thing

[hollow pier]

wk aren't there check again

[hazy sentinel]

lake OOB

[copper nacelle]

definitely useful

[hazy sentinel]

ok there's nowhere to go from here

everything's blocked off

[copper nacelle]

wow nice

[hollow pier]

useful

good in maby pvp mode to hide

[warped sinew]

Go visit leg eaters brother from there. Arm eater

[hollow pier]

where is torso consumer

[buoyant obsidian]

near queen's station

to the left

[cunning lagoon]

how to handle fame

[copper nacelle]

inside willoh's stomach

[hazy sentinel]

0%

[hollow pier]

not subbed to kuro 😎

[cunning lagoon]

[compact sedge]

if +2 is a 0% gain you must have infinite subscribers already

gj

[hollow pier]

all he posts is cdash fails lmao why sub

[hazy sentinel]

don't light a lantern at 3AM in a waterfall

[warped sinew]

Even with infinitely its not a 0% gain tho right?

[hazy sentinel]

if you're moving left/right as you fall into water/acid and release the directional key as you splash into it the animation doesn't show up

[cunning lagoon]

gamebreaking bug

[hazy sentinel]

you just snap into the swimming animation

[cunning lagoon]

i noticed that you get a bubble around you when you fall into acid with isma's tear

nice detail

[hazy sentinel]

haha nice mask losers

[cunning lagoon]

also soon i will have more hours played at hk than gungeon

[hazy sentinel]

what about hours played in hk

[hollow pier]

i have 30 minutes on gungeon

and it's not in my library

[cunning lagoon]

wow

did you dislike the game

[hollow pier]

how did i do it

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

[copper nacelle]

i have like 40 minutes in gungeon

then i left the game idling for 8 hours

[hollow pier]

56 is better than me at gungeon

wow how'd i fail than

i never fail than

[buoyant obsidian]

I want gungeon but I just know it'll be in a humble monthly bundle

[hollow pier]

time to die

[cunning lagoon]

didn't screencap it in time PepeHands

[buoyant obsidian]

the second I buy it they're gonna throw it in a bundle just watch

[hollow pier]

wasn't even thinking about putting then

a = e change my mind

[cunning lagoon]

a = eeee

[hollow pier]

555555 = f4

[copper nacelle]

ra

[hollow pier]

sun god

[buoyant obsidian]

a = 10

[copper nacelle]

wow is this the radiance

let A = x^2

[buoyant obsidian]

10 = 1010

[hollow pier]

let A=x2u

[buoyant obsidian]

if 10 = 1010 then 1010 must equal 101010101010

so if I just s/10/1010

[hollow pier]

wow is this binary

[buoyant obsidian]

10101010101010101010101010101010

[hollow pier]

sending messages too quickly thx

[copper nacelle]

10101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010

[hollow pier]

10101010101010101010101010101010

[buoyant obsidian]

10101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010

[hollow pier]

is this now the slowest race

753 is way better

wait 56 is hacking

@ mods can we get a delet on the spam above

[cunning lagoon]

10101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010

did i win

[warped sinew]

PLAY LIGHTBRINGER

[copper nacelle]

10^10^10^10^10^10

ez

[cunning lagoon]

10!

[copper nacelle]

3628800

[buoyant obsidian]

but that's not following the 101010 pattern

[cunning lagoon]

you are not following the pattern

[hazy sentinel]

lake oob btw

[copper nacelle]

can you do anything useful with it tho

[hazy sentinel]

you can trigger the abyss shriek sound without casting it

[buoyant obsidian]

"10"*Integer.Max

[cunning lagoon]

wow you could've just said "yes"

[copper nacelle]

float.MaxValue

wait no

double.MaxValue

ez

float.PositiveInfinity

[buoyant obsidian]

triple.MaxValue

[copper nacelle]

Double.PositiveInfinity

[buoyant obsidian]

long int x

long long int x

[copper nacelle]

[buoyant obsidian]

signed long long int x

long double

[copper nacelle]

big boi double

[buoyant obsidian]

while(true){
try
{
int x = 1;
while(1){x++}
}
catch
{
print x;
}
}

[copper nacelle]

wow cpu usage

[buoyant obsidian]

that should give me the biggest int right

[copper nacelle]

wouldn't it just overflow

[buoyant obsidian]

it would try to overflow

[copper nacelle]

but overflow is just negative

not an exception

[buoyant obsidian]

fuk

is that even allowed

[copper nacelle]

ye iirc

i had hp overflowing in mantis gods

[copper nacelle]

so they'd be dead

but you had to hit them for them to know they're dead

[hollow pier]

post that in #hk-discussion and say there's a crystal in fungal

[copper nacelle]

yes

[buoyant obsidian]

you mean #hk-lore

[hollow pier]

same thing

[buoyant obsidian]

what could the crystal in fungal mean?

some say it's a mistake by the devs

but they're smarter than that

they thought very far ahead into the lore

and why would there be coral in acid

when we all know ocean acidification is the biggest danger to coral reefs

[cunning lagoon]

why not

hmm nah

u wrong

[compact sedge]

this game is really realistic with its physics

esp fluid dynamics

[young walrus]

water is literally an acid doh

[hollow pier]

don't tell kry that

[buoyant obsidian]

Team Cherry really thought this out

[compact sedge]

like how water drops are tiny and water never buldges due to surface tension

[tranquil glen]

excuse you pt

[cunning lagoon]

wow is kry always lurking

[hollow pier]

1/2 of us

[tranquil glen]

i don't even know whats going on but i assume that was a jab at me

I just saw my name

[hazy sentinel]

did you know pressing up/down makes inspect prompts flash even if you can't interact with them

[hollow pier]

what no

[copper nacelle]

yes

[hollow pier]

i was referring to kryptonite

the element

like uh

[buoyant obsidian]

the earth is flat

[tranquil glen]

water is an acid?

[hollow pier]

84 on the table

[buoyant obsidian]

I put ball on earth

[tranquil glen]

thought it was neutral

[buoyant obsidian]

ball goes n o w h e r e

[copper nacelle]

wait what

there's a pure vessel cutscene?

[cunning lagoon]

???

[hazy sentinel]

56 just finished p4 for the first time feelsbad

[copper nacelle]

was it not there on the gog version

or was i just blind

[cunning lagoon]

also whats up with the tiso cutscene

how do you get it

[hazy sentinel]

finish tiso's questline

[cunning lagoon]

hmm i see

that might've been the issue

so at least i didnt miss it right

i just didnt get it

im not that blind

right

[hazy sentinel]

nah ur blind

[tranquil glen]

who's tiso

[cunning lagoon]

idk some useless npc

[hazy sentinel]

never heard of tisop's fables?

[tranquil glen]

no seriously who

[cunning lagoon]

can you get dnail glitchless clawless without shade skips

[tranquil glen]

wait is it the coloseum guy

yeea

[hollow pier]

yes

[hazy sentinel]

my favorite

[copper nacelle]

is this the abyss

[cunning lagoon]

ok

[copper nacelle]

wtf

did i actually just forget the cutscene

[cunning lagoon]

the one where the radiance screams?

[tranquil glen]

was there a tool for making god bosses? thought i read something about that

[hollow pier]

what

[buoyant obsidian]

multiplayer mod

[cunning lagoon]

thats after beating p4 right?

[buoyant obsidian]

56 confirmed

[copper nacelle]

apparently

[hollow pier]

maby pvp mode????

[cunning lagoon]

yeah i think you just missed it

i vaguely remember it

[copper nacelle]

was it not in the gog version or was i blind

[hazy sentinel]

modders y do crystal heart do the instant super dash if u on corner

[trim totem]

did u just beat p4 56

[copper nacelle]

no

[hollow pier]

yes

[copper nacelle]

u

ok apparently i just forgot it

wtf

[hazy sentinel]

love when ooma explosives phase through walls

[odd jetty]

Well, I already made sockets work in game, so multiplayer is quite possible

[compact sedge]

what you're doing is really cool and completely beyond me.

[buoyant obsidian]

syncing all the health / attacks and shit might be a bit harder

[odd jetty]

you just copy all the objects of the host into the clients. Pretty much

that's the easier way, the best way? hell no

[leaden hedge]

you only need to send timestamps of (non guaranteed) state changes, with position

copying the objects won't even work

[odd jetty]

Why timestamps?

[leaden hedge]

how else are you going to sync it

[odd jetty]

you send the packet and the client apply it with the packet it receives

[leaden hedge]

wow and with 200ms suddenly client is .2s out of sync

and swinging at the air

[odd jetty]

even with timestamp that would happen

[leaden hedge]

no

because you'd fast forward those frames so they'd be at the exact same position on both computers 🤔

[compact sedge]

client side handling of all damage and hits. and uh idk how you sync enemies to be the same tho since you can't really do prediction since rng seeds might be different.

[odd jetty]

UDP

it ignores the packets you lose

only tcp would do what yous aid

you pretty much turn all off in client and let the server send everything to you.

[compact sedge]

if you could do everything client side for both clients it would work pretty alright but as I said idk how practical that is

[odd jetty]

the positions and states

unless you do p2p

[leaden hedge]

well you only need to send changes in state on the host

[odd jetty]

I never tried to do anything p2p yet, so dunno

[leaden hedge]

repeatedly telling it the same info is pointless

if nkg does balloon attack, hes doing that for the next 5 seconds

[odd jetty]

it's not because if the packet was lost the client can sync it back

[compact sedge]

consider this. you're fighting NKG with a friend. right as he picks his next attack you get 1 second of lag. if you could predict accurately which attack he was gonna use and where it was gonna spawn etc you could dodge it just fine with client side hit detection.

but if it's server only

you are basically screwed

and before you say "but then people could cheat" it doesn't matter because it's a coop mod and not something that needs real anticheat stuff

or any anticheat

[odd jetty]

that's p2p btw

[compact sedge]

maybe you have a server just for routing packets

tho

instead of pure p2p

[leaden hedge]

it'll look very weird too

[compact sedge]

so like a "host" peer

[leaden hedge]

considering you can't set a specific sprite

only an animation

[odd jetty]

Well

[hazy sentinel]

nsfw btw

[leaden hedge]

so if you do drop connection

and suddenly half way through an attack, its like hey hes over here and doing x

[odd jetty]

you could make a server where you turn off all the graphics and just handle physics and events that would send to clients

[leaden hedge]

it'll be halfway through that attack but at the start of the animation

and hitboxes are linked to animations

[compact sedge]

the other players would look weird if there was lag but the important thing is the game would be playable and the enemies would look normal for both

maybe the server is the thing that reports the health bars of enemies to the clients

[odd jetty]

you still can use the animation system without the graphics if you replace the sprites

[compact sedge]

so that your coop friend can't hit an enemy through weird lag

[young walrus]

just copy the code from multiplayer online games

[compact sedge]

also make the sprites of allies ghostly like in souls games so that you don't notice weirdness as much

[leaden hedge]

players are fine

its enemies

[odd jetty]

players are the easiest thing

[young walrus]

online games don't have enemies?

[leaden hedge]

as if you tell something to play an animation half way through an attack

[young walrus]

halo online co-op?

[leaden hedge]

it won't sync

[young walrus]

for example?

[compact sedge]

kdt has a point since enemies pick attacks based on the player's state

too

[leaden hedge]

because unity is good

you can't just say I'd like you to play this animation half way through

[odd jetty]

So much that PvP mode would be the most possible for a multiplayer mode in HK

can you set the animation frame? tho

[compact sedge]

but if enemies are picking attacks based on player states it means there's no way for a client to predict which attack an enemy would do

[leaden hedge]

I don't think so

pretty sure animations are just play from start

[compact sedge]

unless you rewrote the enemy to pick attacks in a different way

[leaden hedge]

although a bunch of stuff uses tk2d

which might be different

[compact sedge]

because maybe lets say an enemy picks attacks based on player 1. and you're player 2. if you lag, player 1 might be in a different position and so your predictive thing will predict that enemy does a different attack than it actually does.

for example

PV does empty hops sometimes rarely when you're in a dumb spot

and maybe lag causes player 2 to think player 1 is in that spot and so PV does an empty hop

[leaden hedge]

just send next attack instead of current attack 🤔

[compact sedge]

but on p1's screen PV does a different attack

my point is the traditional ways online games do lag compensation wouldn't work for HK because of this

you'd get quickly desynced and resyncing according to KDT is kinda impossible

because animation weirdness

[odd jetty]

the best would be the server send the animation and it's frame plus location so the clients would just apply those without actually calculating things

[compact sedge]

so what happens if you lag for 1 second and get no new information in that time

do you just freeze

[copper nacelle]

have u heard of

local multiplayer

[odd jetty]

Depends how Unity works

[hazy sentinel]

is this dreamshield coop

[leaden hedge]

i think you can tell it to play from a certain spot but not like frames, its gotta be a float

from 0 to 1

which is another major desync point

[odd jetty]

if it keeps playing the animation as normal without receiving the packet, it will be fine

[compact sedge]

look all I'm saying is online multiplayer has LOTS of problems with regards to keeping both clients on the same page and if your game isn't BUILT around anticipating these problems then it will fail.

[odd jetty]

well, those are problems that not even HUGE compannies have a solution for

good enter press of my part

[compact sedge]

even games designed around coop like payday 2 run into these issues but for HK it would be much worse since enemies react to players in very large obvious ways

an enemy moving 5 feet because of a player's position in a shooter is much less of a problem than an enemy choosing an entirely different attack that covers the screen

[odd jetty]

Disabling the AI in clients would be the solution for that

[compact sedge]

you're just pushing the problem one level down

the clients need to know what attacks the enemies are gonna do before the server sends the info

or else people will get hit by unfair BS attacks when they drop packets

and HK wasn't built to allow that to happen

[odd jetty]

you receive from the server which animation is playing and it's frame position, or whatever it have

so you will be synced with the server

[compact sedge]

ofc you would recieve that info but what I'm saying is after the animation is done

and the server chooses another attack

and if you were to lag right there

you could easilly be hit with no way to react

[hazy sentinel]

tc are really helpful to their modding/speedrunning communities just ask them to recode the game for multiplayer

[leaden hedge]

tc can't code singleplayer

[odd jetty]

you can't predict what the enemy will do

[fair rampart]

i know the speedrunning thing is a joke but are they actually unfriendly to the modding community

[compact sedge]

ikr like they retweeted the moddb thing

[odd jetty]

it's not a joke, Xhuis

[copper nacelle]

^

[compact sedge]

it's like we don't even exist

[leaden hedge]

what do you mean you can't predict what it'll do

you have control over the system

[fair rampart]

well I know they've kind of shut down a lot of speedrunning tactics

[copper nacelle]

and they patched out speedrunning skips after watching a run of hk glitched

[leaden hedge]

just tell it what its going to do

[copper nacelle]

on purpose

[fair rampart]

I just didn't know if they were like that for modding

[copper nacelle]

they even said they did that on purpose

[odd jetty]

So your plan is to make all enemies have a set pattern?

[compact sedge]

yes you could and that would be what you'd need to do but you'd have to rewrite every boss fsm to not rely on the player's position @leaden hedge

[hazy sentinel]

tas time

[compact sedge]

the way to do it is give enemies a random pattern picked by a random seed that both clients know so both clients can show the enemy's position and attacks accurately at all times.

[leaden hedge]

implying position does anything for half the bosses

[copper nacelle]

^

half of it is send random event v3

with like

maybe jump if you're in the air

tbh

[fair rampart]

jump exactly where you're going to walk to

[hazy sentinel]

teleport after 1 hit

[leaden hedge]

just make ngg the only boss you can play coop

then when you die

blame lag

[odd jetty]

Actually, if you guys really want a multiplayer mod, PvP would be the best option

[fair rampart]

what would the bm meta be for hollow knight

[buoyant obsidian]

dd

[copper nacelle]

ddark spam

[odd jetty]

DD into the dropped mask

[leaden hedge]

crystal dash away from them

[buoyant obsidian]

crystal dash into them

[leaden hedge]

then crystal dash back to the other side

[fair rampart]

maybe focusing and then stopping over and over so it looks like you're teabagging them

[buoyant obsidian]

it'll actually be viable since players wouldn't have contact damage

[leaden hedge]

what if they shoot at you

with a gun

[odd jetty]

you ask Ax where he left the shield

[hazy sentinel]

ax ask

[solemn rivet]

https://puu.sh/Bt2Cb/1abbef4c55.mp4 victory has never been more silent

[hazy sentinel]

unique up/down animations thanks

[solemn rivet]

I'll just rotate the sprite

[buoyant obsidian]

that might actually look awesome

[compact sedge]

yay it works

[compact sedge]

if you're rotating the sprite can it be 8 directional too?

[solemn rivet]

uhhh sure AA

[compact sedge]

or for memes if you have a controller infinite directional?

[hazy sentinel]

this man is on an unplugged laptop

[solemn rivet]

no, it's the opposite

it's plugged

no battery

[hazy sentinel]

o

[compact sedge]

un batteried laptop

[hazy sentinel]

what happens if the power cuts out

[compact sedge]

y tho

[solemn rivet]

its battery is absolute shite

[compact sedge]

it dies just like a desktop

[solemn rivet]

it's swollen up

[compact sedge]

is it replacable?

[solemn rivet]

after a year's use

[hazy sentinel]

swole

[compact sedge]

oh god throw that shit in the recycling

those can explode

[solemn rivet]

I know

[copper nacelle]

cease

[hazy sentinel]

oh god throw that in the pentagon

[solemn rivet]

got rid of it a while ago

[copper nacelle]

ok good

[solemn rivet]

but it's now battery-less

and I don't care enough to buy a new one

[hazy sentinel]

one year tho

[solemn rivet]

inorite

fucking lenovo

you know what's even worse?

it's a freaking internal battery

so when it began swelling up, it cracked the case

exhibit A

[copper nacelle]

f

[odd jetty]

lol

[hexed swan]

good laptop

[solemn rivet]

ikr

smh

[hazy sentinel]

internal battery for a sleek unibody chassis

[solemn rivet]

hey, it was never disclosed that it had an internal battery when I first bought it for uni

they made a point of hiding that info

[hexed swan]

gee wonder why

[hazy sentinel]

just like the battery

[solemn rivet]

anyway, that's why I'll never buy anything lenovo ever again

I'm salty af

[hazy sentinel]

ok but what's the point of internal batteries

[solemn rivet]

idk

makes literally 0 sense

[copper nacelle]

.2 inches slimmer

[buoyant obsidian]

same reason Apple released a cell phone that bends

[compact sedge]

internal batteries are so they can sell you a new one at full price when the battery explodes or somethign

[solemn rivet]

and it was oh-so-conveniently placed

[compact sedge]

my recommendation is no laptop if by god's grace you can somehow avoid buying one

but in lieu of that my second recommendation is something very lowend.

[odd jetty]

Notebook is one of the best things I ever bought tho

[compact sedge]

as cheap as it gets

[odd jetty]

I would be screwed if I didn't have a laptop

[compact sedge]

because all laptops are crap so if you're buying crap buy crap you can afford to replace

[copper nacelle]

get a free mbp from work

ez

[trim totem]

why

[compact sedge]

eww

why is a company wasting money on such expensive laptops

[leaden hedge]

why not

[fair rampart]

I think for the exaltation version of heavy blow I'll make it a challenge-mode charm

ie deal less damage, swing slower, so on

[odd jetty]

bad

[fair rampart]

maybe have it enable all bindings and as a reward you get more geo

@odd jetty so is normal heavy blow

[odd jetty]

if all the charms does a buff instead of debuff. it would make players confused, but the mod is yours, soooo

[copper nacelle]

haha yes

garbage boss

[fair rampart]

did u do it with glorified charms

[copper nacelle]

no

[fair rampart]

die

[copper nacelle]

u

[fair rampart]

[copper nacelle]

make all glorified charms come from all radiant bosses

ez

[compact sedge]

like one charm per boss?

do the numbers match up?

[copper nacelle]

44 bosses

[compact sedge]

but some are on the same statue like mantis sisters and lords

so what's the number of statues

[copper nacelle]

less tm

[compact sedge]

exactly 40?

[copper nacelle]

h

there's dream bosses, hornet, cg2, mantis lords

[compact sedge]

37

[slow fable]

how many charms are there?

[compact sedge]

40

well 40 you can have at one time

there's multiple grimmchild and void heart levels and brumm thingy

[odd jetty]

Carefree melody

[fair rampart]

is it possible to change focus speed

?

[copper nacelle]

yeah

            HeroController.instance.spellControl.Fsm.GetFsmFloat("Time Per MP Drain UnCH").Value = (float)0.04455;
HeroController.instance.spellControl.Fsm.GetFsmFloat("Time Per MP Drain CH").Value = (float)0.0297;

[fair rampart]

thank

[buoyant obsidian]

private void StartMPDrain(On.HeroController.orig_StartMPDrain orig, HeroController self, float time)
{
            orig(self, time * 2f);
}```

[rain cedar]

``` please

thank

[buoyant obsidian]

that's how I handle making it take 10x as long to focus soul

[copper nacelle]

shitmodst spoiler

[buoyant obsidian]

fuck

[copper nacelle]

the values i pasted are for deep focus

[rain cedar]

orig(self, float.PositiveInfinity)

[fair rampart]

@copper nacelle not quick focus?

CH is lower than UnCH

and I assume that's charmed/uncharmed

[copper nacelle]

no i mean it'd make your normal healing deep focus speed

[fair rampart]

o

[copper nacelle]

if you wanna change the multiplier it's like

            foreach ( FsmState state in HeroController.instance.spellControl.FsmStates)
            {
                if (state.Name == "Deep Focus Speed")
                {
                    ((FloatMultiply)state.Actions[1]).multiplyBy.Value = (float)2.7225;
                }
            }

[fair rampart]

hekn

[copper nacelle]

except you don't need the loop cause extensions

[fair rampart]

what's quick focus's then

[copper nacelle]

eeeeeeee

[fair rampart]

is it just the ch value divided by half

the ch value you linked that is

[copper nacelle]

ch is quick focus

[fair rampart]

yea but if this is deep focus

[copper nacelle]

that'd make quick focus into normal healing

and normal healing into deep focus

[fair rampart]

ye

I dunno the actual quick focus value

is it like

[copper nacelle]

0.018

[fair rampart]

thank

hm

i wonder if 0.01 is 2fast

for swift focus that is

[copper nacelle]

0

[fair rampart]

nyoom

[odd jetty]

How about it makes you heal everything but drains all soul?

and you can cast only with 99 soul

[fair rampart]

that'd be more of its own charm idea than a quick focus upgrade

[young walrus]

but is like an ultimate and shoots 4 spells

[compact sedge]

stop spoiling redwing

redwing but that's even too OP for redwing

[fair rampart]

this should prevent more screwups

[copper nacelle]

i just got mantis lords ai looped

it was boomerang not in the middle => boomerang in the middle => two downs => repeat

[compact sedge]

pfft having a debug mode variable in your code

absolutelynotmeirl

shipping with random consts manually set to dumb values for debug

[fair rampart]

well when I first released I accidentally left something in that let you glorify all charms instantly so

kinda 🅱roke

[copper nacelle]

i love toggling glorification with my attack button

[fair rampart]

oh dear

I set my focus time to 0f and it crashed my game

[copper nacelle]

.0001f

[compact sedge]

if you check the player log files there's about a 90% chance it's divide by zero error

[copper nacelle]

output_log

.

[compact sedge]

Player.log

[copper nacelle]

no

[fair rampart]

@copper nacelle to update exaltation on the drive, do I need to do the whole shasum process again, or just version-control the zip

[copper nacelle]

version-control + shasum

but no link updating

[fair rampart]

kk

1.0.2.1 should be live now

[rain cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/9erl5o/insane_worlds_fastest_myla_kill_1829_no_major/e5rkqbi/

This guy is taking reddit too seriously

Do the thing

[copper nacelle]

haha yes

[obtuse pier]

It's a reddit joke that isn't funny after the first couple of times you see it. Sometimes people will even downvote any post that isn't a repeat, so you don't get any actual discussion or funny jokes.

I think it's just one of those things that mostly newish people are upvoting, and most of the people that have been here for several years are sick of.

[buoyant obsidian]

why is the subreddit memier than #297468195026239489

[copper nacelle]

because h

[fair rampart]

hhhhhhhhhh

[flat forum]

@solemn rivet if I'm needed just ping me

[floral furnace]

i just realized that entire speedrun post was just a discord shitpost to the subreddit

[rain cedar]

👌 👍

[solemn rivet]

I need you papers

Oh yeah, he told me to ping in that case

@ FoldingPapers#0783

[cunning lagoon]

@copper nacelle is @copper nacelle this @copper nacelle u @copper nacelle

[sour oriole]

No one likes markoth

[copper nacelle]

I like markoth

[sour oriole]

then make dreamshield spawn 2 shields

[copper nacelle]

u

[floral furnace]

better than elder hu

[cunning lagoon]

yes

[floral furnace]

or Gal"I like to fly low and do fucking contact damage on you"lien

[cunning lagoon]

true statement right there

[sour oriole]

Screw elder hu, he just hides every damn time i reach him

[cunning lagoon]

i feel like gallien shouldn't do contact damage 🤔

or should try to stay above you and not block your path

[rain cedar]

He should just take knockback

Like everything else in the game

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

[sour oriole]

Contact damage=Unfair advantage
If they can do contact damage, why cant the knight do it too ?

[rain cedar]

I like that you're here but not the salt & sanctuary server

[solemn rivet]

I've been thinking that same thing sean

[sour oriole]

S&S is dead, ive done all i could for that game

[solemn rivet]

even tho I'm only there in spirit

[rain cedar]

Everyone is just there in spirit

Dead server

[compact sedge]

I made a meme mod one time

[sour oriole]

the "Art" mod ?

[solemn rivet]

I promised AA I'd make an S&S mod at some point

[sour oriole]

NUT

[solemn rivet]

but I won't

[compact sedge]

idk why you even promised that

[solemn rivet]

I guess I was high or smth

[compact sedge]

and no I meant a salt meme mod

[sour oriole]

S&S modding is literally like Darkest dungeon's modding, you edit game scripts

[floral furnace]

damn would it be funny if someone made a S&S game but all the characters looked like bugs instead

haha that would great right

[cunning lagoon]

haha yeah that would great

[copper nacelle]

haha yes

[sour oriole]

Haha no

[rain cedar]

Imagine if there was a modding api for salt and sanctuary

[cunning lagoon]

🙈

[compact sedge]

pfft that will never exist

[rain cedar]

Not a good one at least

[compact sedge]

/s

[sour oriole]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

youre welcome

[rain cedar]

For what?

[sour oriole]

@compact sedge for the missed/s

mobile is a pain

[solemn rivet]

I think that was sarcasm

[compact sedge]

considering I literally made a mod with the api I thought it would be obvious but I decided to add it anyway just to be safe

since you might not have known

[cunning lagoon]

That's how I first completed it, but I remember dyding during the obstacle course ant not losing geo or having my shade appear. Weird :/

[floral furnace]

tbf you have to have atleast 753 iq to understand and detect sarcasm

[copper nacelle]

@cunning lagoon what

[solemn rivet]

dlk has ascended

he speaks in the tongue of angels

[compact sedge]

angles

[rain cedar]

anlges

alnges

langes

[sour oriole]

Grubberlfy elegy Charm health independent when ?

also make it 200% louder 👌

[cunning lagoon]

literally lightbringer

[compact sedge]

you should make it

[sour oriole]

no its different shooosh

[solemn rivet]

you should play blackmoth

and user grubberfly there

[sour oriole]

Can you make a charm like fluknest to change the Knight's spell to be like Primal aspid attack ?

[rain cedar]

u

[copper nacelle]

u

[solemn rivet]

u

[cunning lagoon]

u

[floral furnace]

u

[sour oriole]

?

what a weird bunch

[copper nacelle]

u

[floral furnace]

Imagine giving birth after 9 months to a child that hasnt Played Lightbringer

[solemn rivet]

not worth it imo

[sour oriole]

Lightbringer is amazing if only the author didnt fuck Grubberfly charm to have knockback

[cunning lagoon]

stupid author

[copper nacelle]

HeroController.instance.RecoilLeftLong();

[sour oriole]

tell me about it 😒

[hollow pier]

why is shriek hit 4 so weird

[floral furnace]

yeah i bet he uses a number for a nam- oh sorry 56

[hollow pier]

it has like infinite range

numbre

hombre

[floral furnace]

tactical typo

[hollow pier]

yoink

[cunning lagoon]

lmao

[copper nacelle]

nice

[hollow pier]

is this the nsoob run

[sour oriole]

Also mark of pride doesnt work for some reason, the range stays the same no matter how full your journal is

[copper nacelle]

your damage changes with journal entries

absolute dungo

[sour oriole]

but it says increases range

and damage

[copper nacelle]

ur mum increased range

[sour oriole]

thats awesome

gotta ask her to fix it then

With burning pride

w/o the charm

Greatly increases range

[copper nacelle]

nail range

upslash

[cunning lagoon]

whats upslash

[sour oriole]

Cool, for so long i thought its a typo

[cunning lagoon]

u are great and dont let anyone tell you otherwise

[copper nacelle]

u ever just give up on p5 before even trying it

[weak lodge]

Is he for real

That’s sarcastic right?

[floral furnace]

this is reddit, so probably

[copper nacelle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/9edbgu/is_there_a_godmaster_working_bench_mod/

[solemn rivet]

oh boy, I need a working bench

[cunning lagoon]

good old BowelMan

[solemn rivet]

my back is killing me with my current working chair

but a working bench would be lit

[steep sail]

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHAH

Ha

[compact sedge]

smh they should put giant arrows to help people out

[solemn rivet]

speaking of reddit

[cunning lagoon]

i was gonna write something but i think conveys all the emotions i feel right now

[floral furnace]

tbf i did that in my first playthrough

[steep sail]

Why we don`t have HollowLUL and HollowOMEGALUL?

[solemn rivet]

I can't understate how much I relate to this

[cunning lagoon]

wow

quality format

[weak lodge]

So this channel is just general for the modders n shit

[solemn rivet]

no

DLK, Ptkyr and Veru are also always here

but, real question

[weak lodge]

Ahhh

[cunning lagoon]

also angle who is clearly not a modder

[solemn rivet]

how do I access a private field in a component?

[weak lodge]

Angle def not modder, no geeen name

Green

Shit

[compact sedge]

... it's true. I'm not a modder. It's all a sham

[cunning lagoon]

sha

[weak lodge]

Shaw

[compact sedge]

it's all a sha1sum

[floral furnace]

you gotta pay gradow 60 cherry bux to get that green name boi

[copper nacelle]

@solemn rivet r e f l e c t i o n

[weak lodge]

Ah yes

Gradow:season pass

[solemn rivet]

I know, 56, but it isn't working

[weak lodge]

60$

[compact sedge]

tbh reflection isn't that hard

oh reflection isn't that hard?

[solemn rivet]

so if HeroController has a rb2d component

[floral furnace]

are you kidding m- hey i was gonna say that

[weak lodge]

Omfg

[solemn rivet]

and rb2d has like a private field, say, "isTheHeroDrunk"

that's a string

"yes", "no", "very much so", "maybe", "roll the dice"

[weak lodge]

I’ll make sure and visit this channel often, I might finally learn something useful in my life

[cunning lagoon]

roll the dice

when you enter #archived-modding-development you are here forever

be careful

[solemn rivet]

how can I access it?

[hollow pier]

haha yes

[cunning lagoon]

haha yes

[weak lodge]

, I’ll tread carefully

[floral furnace]

yeah knightmere, if it isnt about shitposting, mocking the subreddit, or complaining about fsms sure

[solemn rivet]

HeroController.instance.rb2d.GetType()?

[copper nacelle]

yeah that'd work

[solemn rivet]

or do I get the type remotely from the RigidBody2d class

[copper nacelle]

imo typeof(RigidBody2D)

[weak lodge]

Who says I can’t learn somthing from that ttacco, like how shitty the subreddit is

[compact sedge]

couldn't you do
string isDrunk = HeroController.instance.rb2d.GetAttr<string>("isTheHeroDrunk");

with modcommon

[weak lodge]

Oh no I’m getting stuck in here already

[copper nacelle]

yes

good extension method

[hollow pier]

no we don't want you stuck here

[compact sedge]

yes, join us!

[floral furnace]

oh wait is that the fsm util extension you were talking about

[compact sedge]

it's in hollow point if you haven't noticed https://github.com/TTacco/Hollow-Point/blob/master/HollowPoint/DamageEnemies.cs#L55

[copper nacelle]

that's in ModCommon.Util.ReflectionHelper

[compact sedge]

notice how I use a ? for non-nullable variables like vector3 to avoid a null reference exception

[floral furnace]

angle, i fucking hate reflection, you expect me to know that was part of the extension /s

[copper nacelle]

@solemn rivet typeof(RigidBody2D).GetField("isTheHeroDrunk", BindingFlags.Instance | BindingFlags.NonPublic).GetValue(HeroController.instance.rb2d)

typing that on mobile was actual agony

[compact sedge]

yes but cache the field if you're gonna do that

[floral furnace]

ew discord mobile

[compact sedge]

also why did you actually type that

[copper nacelle]

h

[floral furnace]

also am i gonna have to take the explosion object? the one generated by those mushroom things/belfly's by taking a scene where they spawn in?

[solemn rivet]

yeah, my connection os pretty bad today

[floral furnace]

ie take the scene, take the go, then i can spawn it then?

[solemn rivet]

I've sent like 4 messages which didn't go through

thank you AA and 56

[copper nacelle]

yw

[compact sedge]

make your own explosion imo ttacco.

[floral furnace]

fine by me

do the thing kdt was saying?

add a sprite ocmponent, damages enemy, shit like that?

[compact sedge]

look idk about you but I have SO MANY realistic special effects now /s

[solemn rivet]

welp, blackmoth superdash is mostly working

now I need to make it stop properly when you press the superdash button

and collision/hit detection

[compact sedge]

it's possible but very unlikely that explosion is a thing you can create using the assembly's functions. more likely it's done in fsms which means it'd be easier to make your own. Just yeah do what you said. lots of code in redwing for that kinda stuff. what do you even want to explode?

[copper nacelle]

copy the FSM actions into your own FSM

ez

[compact sedge]

lul

[floral furnace]

uhh you know how i wanna replace the spells to make them more inline instead of being divorce to the experience

[solemn rivet]

or do what I did and destroy the fsm

best decision ever

[copper nacelle]

tbh I've considered making FSMs so I can hook events

[floral furnace]

what im saying is-

look i just want to replace shriek with an airstrike instead ok

[compact sedge]

can't you hook events with like... monobehaviors?

[copper nacelle]

FSM events

the broadcast nonsense

[compact sedge]

oh

[copper nacelle]

@floral furnace spawn 30 fireball prefabs rotated

from the air

ez

[solemn rivet]

just do them manually, 56

[copper nacelle]

[floral furnace]

thats what im gonna do, but i wanna spawn a explosion GO when it hits a surface and get destroyed

[solemn rivet]

instead of broadcasting an event, do whatever that event would do by hand

[copper nacelle]

no I mean

calling a method whenever something else broadcasts a certain event

@floral furnace there's one in resources iirc

[floral furnace]

yeeet 😩

[solemn rivet]

https://puu.sh/BtfEd/911922346c.mp4 why I hate quaternions

[compact sedge]

don't rotate either the knight past +/-90 degrees and just use the mirror/flip thing for the other side.

idk what it's called

[solemn rivet]

no, I got it

the thing is, for a split second, the sprite flickers

and I was trying to remove that

but I'll just leave it as it is

ok, I need help

when I start the dash like this:

it works fine

well, fine-ish

the knight doesn't move untill I press a direction, but it behaves just like the vid I showed you above

but

if I start cdash like this:

it just breaks

I can only cdash up/down when I do that

here's what each coroutine looks like:

any ideas why?

the code is up-to-date on github, if anyone wants to take a look

[cunning lagoon]

it must be a bug

[solemn rivet]

which one tho?

myla?

quirrel?

[cunning lagoon]

hmm maybe

[solemn rivet]

oh

I know why

big dungo

[cunning lagoon]

see i told you

[buoyant obsidian]

why is DLKurosh even in the modding channel Good morning everyone

[cunning lagoon]

Good morning 753!

[copper nacelle]

he lives here

as he should

best channel

[buoyant obsidian]

It really is

[cunning lagoon]

it really do be like that

[buoyant obsidian]

sometimes I dip into Discussion just to see how good we have it

[floral furnace]

Tell us, how do reemerge unscathed?

[solemn rivet]

no, it didn't work

[buoyant obsidian]

I don't

[copper nacelle]

@solemn rivet cState.onGround?

[solemn rivet]

nope

it was a ref error

[copper nacelle]

nice

[solemn rivet]

apparently, _hc.StartCoroutine is not the same as HeroController.instance.StartCoroutine

who knew

[copper nacelle]

wtf

[solemn rivet]

that's literally what I changed

but it makes sense tbh

hc is just a reference to HeroController.instance

[copper nacelle]

make _hc a property which returns HeroController.instance

[solemn rivet]

could do that, yeah

https://puu.sh/Btgng/8b2954d2fa.mp4

and with that, I'll retire for now

plans to add a swimming animation

[cunning lagoon]

GOOD JOB GRADOW I LIKE HOW THAT LOOKS

[compact sedge]

that's super cool

[copper nacelle]

sick

[floral furnace]

gradow dont release it instead release it as a seperate dlc for 2.99

[buoyant obsidian]

rocket knight

blasting off at the speed of 2.99

[solemn rivet]

and swimming

don't forget the swimming at the end

[cunning lagoon]

where can i get the 1221 api

and ngg

[copper nacelle]

oh no

both are on the drive

[cunning lagoon]

oh i see

im blind

[compact sedge]

dl finally putting to rest the debate over if the original NGG was actually harder

[cunning lagoon]

we will see

how does old ngg work

can you fight him as many times as you want

[compact sedge]

nope

[cunning lagoon]

do you need to have a file with nkg killed

[compact sedge]

hope you have a save with undefeated nkg

[cunning lagoon]

ugh

thats annoying

can i just unkill him with debug?

[compact sedge]

yes

[cunning lagoon]

phew

[flat forum]

@solemn rivet no you literally cannot contact me unless I'm pinges. All channels are muted and hidden and this is the only way for me to see if somebody has tried contacting me

[copper nacelle]

why

@flat forum why

[solemn rivet]

I thought you loved us papers

[cunning lagoon]

@flat forum are you ok

[solemn rivet]

why have you left us

[flat forum]

I love you

And ummm

About being okay

somewhat debatable

but

I'll talk about it later maybe

or in DMs at best

I'm sorry

[compact sedge]

oh no

[solemn rivet]

you're one of us, man

if you ever need anything, just ask

specifically, ask 56

[compact sedge]

papers be okay for me or get better soon if you can.

[solemn rivet]

[flat forum]

Heh

I'll try

I promise

[solemn rivet]

we're here for you m8

[flat forum]

ping me if anything tho

just in case

[solemn rivet]

will do

be well tho

we miss you

[cunning lagoon]

wtf why is steam trying to update my game now

[compact sedge]

rip

[copper nacelle]

use the appid thing

imo

also oh fuck

[cunning lagoon]

how does it work

[copper nacelle]

you put the file in the folder

and then it lets you run the exe

ez

my e key is actually dying rn

v

[cunning lagoon]

thanks

[copper nacelle]

does this mean the beta is no longer beta

[solemn rivet]

no

dlk downpatched

[cunning lagoon]

it didnt do it on vanilla 1221

[solemn rivet]

and steam is trying to get him updated

[copper nacelle]

doesn't that only happen w/ new releases

[solemn rivet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[copper nacelle]

i've only had it eat my downpatch once

[solemn rivet]

I checked my steam and there were no updates

[copper nacelle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solemn rivet]

but I've opted out of beta

[cunning lagoon]

i didnt actually downpatch now

i just copied the downpatched version that i had

i dont see why that would be a problem

"Unable to load mono library from "C:/Program Files (x86)/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight_Data/Mono/mono.dll" (error = 126)."

excuse me???

[solemn rivet]

rip

virus

u ded

ur mum ded

ur dad not ded

but he gay tho

[cunning lagoon]

oh im a moron i didnt let it finish copying

that makes sense

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

i need an ssd

[copper nacelle]

yes

stop copying tho

just use the appid

you don't need to copy with it

[cunning lagoon]

but i also want to have the vanilla 1221

for speedruns

[copper nacelle]

make a symlink of all the files

except assembly-csharp

[cunning lagoon]

haha yes

[copper nacelle]

0 storage use

ez

whymst am i so bad at wd

[cunning lagoon]

press up + quick cast

the game didnt crash

lets gooo

[copper nacelle]

nice

abyss shrieking the balls is god

i need quick slash

wow shrieking him on the dive return is balanced

[cunning lagoon]

fuck i get frame drops on old ngg

[copper nacelle]

[compact sedge]

I optimized it quite a bit all things considered

but I really hope that doesn't count as it being harder

[plucky fog]

so this is where the good guys hang out

[compact sedge]

because it's laggier

[cunning lagoon]

yeah you don't know what you have until it's gone

also the background is so distracting

[odd jetty]

I love this shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP6xtp_9UME (not related with hollow knight, but with programming.)

[plucky fog]

oh, nice. Some familiar modders

[odd jetty]

you have a big family

[solemn rivet]

[compact sedge]

there's a function in NGG that iterates over a bunch of strings every single frame that I optimized to be about 1000 times faster and run 100 times less often.

also NGG spawns duplicates of the audiance and heart etc.

[plucky fog]

alright radiance.host needs a new and improved front page

we need images here

images there

[copper nacelle]

b&

[compact sedge]

if you wanna improve it send a pull request. http://gitlab.com/natis1/radiance.host

[plucky fog]

alright then

[copper nacelle]

inb4 no pr

[plucky fog]

...just remembered I'm an idiot and have no idea how to do this

anyone got a tutorial video or something?

hey, we all started out like this

[odd jetty]

Do what?

[copper nacelle]

either git or web design

not sure which

[compact sedge]

step one. click the fork button

step 2. git clone https://gitlab.com/myaccountname/radiance.host.git

step 3. make any changes you wanna make

step 4. test em and stuff I guess. you don't have to but it'd be nice

step 5. commit changes to your local repo

step 6. create merge request

[copper nacelle]

step 7. get rejected

[compact sedge]

step 8. swallow sadness

[plucky fog]

alright, thanks!

[cunning lagoon]

he's killable but damn it's so annoying

[compact sedge]

step 9. eat a bagel

[cunning lagoon]

i'll see if i grind it or not

[plucky fog]

...is step 7 guaranteed to happen?

[compact sedge]

step 7 is almost guaranteed to not happen

[plucky fog]

luckily, I have a gift of getting rejected in situations where it's almost impossible

[copper nacelle]

submit stuff with invalid syntax

which runs 300 times a frame

[plucky fog]

yeah no

even I know that's a bad idea

[compact sedge]

actually the most likely outcome

I'd say 99%

is I don't accept it right away, leave a comment on something I want either explained or changed or whatever. You do it, and it gets accepted

and most likely it's a comment on something very inane and petty and small

[copper nacelle]

i love it when wd's 2nd phase scream locks me in place next to him

and then after it finishes he dives into me

[cunning lagoon]

haha yesz

[copper nacelle]

very fair

[cunning lagoon]

i know that feel