archived-modding-development

[solemn rivet]

I didn't know bats were bugs

[buoyant obsidian]

wtf is this?

[solemn rivet]

it's supposed to be a slug iirc

wut dat veru

[hollow pier]

grimm

[solemn rivet]

isn't that the bug that gives that Chagas's disease?

also that's not grimm. I don't see it spitting out bats

and it doesn't have a cape

[hollow pier]

no it gives vc lixo disease

[solemn rivet]

gotta have that cape

[hollow pier]

kkkkk

[solemn rivet]

I don't get it

[solemn rivet]

omg I was right

that is a barbeiro

[hazy sentinel]

reminder

[hazy sentinel]

no idea how im not banned yet

[hollow pier]

you ever ascended absrad hitless but can't radiant

[trim totem]

yes

[compact sedge]

why is the good ending for Momodora the bad ending for Hollow Knight?

(I don't know what the bad ending for Momo is because the game locked me out of it)

[hollow pier]

also got climb down

dash is friend

[compact sedge]

I gave up on radiant abs rad

glhf with it

[hollow pier]

i'll do it soon

then i have all rad

[compact sedge]

On the topic of modding I can see why KDT brought the one actually mildly difficult boss from this otherwise very easy game into hollow knight.

[solemn rivet]

^

[rain cedar]

Momodora bad ending isn't even an ending

You beat the start of the last boss then it kills you outside of gameplay

And you don't get credits

[compact sedge]

lame

I just saw a video

wow

I don't feel like I missed anything getting locked out of that ending

that cutscene tho. she had plenty of frames to dodge roll

[solemn rivet]

but, sean

I didn't mean to be rude or anything, and if I was, then I'm sorry

if you've got any better ideas than what I'm currently doing, please feel free to share them

[rain cedar]

Nah your way is good enough

[solemn rivet]

well, thanks anyways for the suggestions earlier then!

[static cloak]

ching

did you end up doing anything with red

[compact sedge]

I played through Momodora today.

[static cloak]

oh thats cool

[compact sedge]

I guess I'll just spoil it. I'm reworking the mod to add a fire bar. Unlike glorious combos I want to make an actual bar texture that looks good. like GC it will be powered by playing skillfully and my solution to the world's problems is that hitting fire attacks will actually keep it charged up, but also taking damage can charge it.

also I'm gonna be using meshes to draw it much to KDTs delight.

because it will let me draw indicators on it dynamically

what I'm not sure of is

I might get rid of soul

and replace it with fire

we'll see

but I think 2 bars is 1 too many

[solemn rivet]

hmm

how would heal/spells work?

[floral furnace]

make it as lore that the knight heals by cauterizing the wounds with fire /s

[buoyant obsidian]

get rid of soul

[solemn rivet]

How can he get rid of soul when he doesn't have one

[compact sedge]

Spells consume fire as does healing. I have an interesting idea for healing that I wanna float around

[solemn rivet]

and how would you recover fire?

by hitting enemies?

[compact sedge]

hitting enemies and taking damage and slowly over time

[solemn rivet]

in that case, wouldn't it be better to just retexture the soul thingy?

because it's literally what soul already does

[buoyant obsidian]

you can also make life / fire the same resource

I feel like that could be really cool

if done right

[compact sedge]

it's sorta that but I wanna do some things differently

[solemn rivet]

burn your life away

[floral furnace]

inb4 do it like an estus mechanic where you can only have x amount of heals on every bench sit

[buoyant obsidian]

eww no

[compact sedge]

For example I'm thinking you have a special focus that you get when the soul/fire bar is full and you have your shield up. If you are successful it heals you and does the pillar attack and costs no soul. If you fail it gets put on cooldown and uses up the normal focus amount. But the catch is it consumes your shield.

For my shield I want something like this basically: it starts to recharge once your fire is above a certain amount and if you keep it above that amount for the length it charges up.

when it's up it can be used as a shield regular or for that special focus or if you intentionally use too many fire spells so your bar runs out it will deplete itself to refill up your bar.

basically the gist of this is I'm thinking along the lines of actual combos and integrations between attacks

but on that note didn't you have some code to change the soul cost of focusing 753?

I'm basically thinking I'm gonna keep the player's soul at like 99 at all times and hide the bar and use hooks to determine if abilities can be cast.

[floral furnace]

isnt there a soul focus cost hook? or do you want something more expansive than that since it only takes an int value (setting it to 2 doubles focus cost etc etc)

[compact sedge]

no I'm giving the player basically infinite soul but I'm using a different system to determine if they can do stuff

[floral furnace]

i see i see

[solemn rivet]

ey sean, is there anything I can help with with fixing rando2?

[fair rampart]

hey the Api done yet?

[compact sedge]

Maybe once it gets DamageTaken hooks added but I'm too lazy to do that and the monomod ones work well enough

although in truth even with those it will probably never be fully 100% perfect and complete

so send suggestions for things you wanna see in it if you are planning on modding the game.

[rain cedar]

Idk gradow it's probably just the menu that's broken

If you want to try fixing that

[fair rampart]

No I just wanna have the ability to play modded godmaster

[compact sedge]

oh the api has been working with godmaster for like 2 weeks

[buoyant obsidian]

infinite weeks if you count the future

[compact sedge]

not all of us have time machines my dude

[copper nacelle]

how do you live without the Microsoft portable time machine surface 3

[floral furnace]

MPTMS3 isnt even worth it, theres no integrated cupholder support

[copper nacelle]

yes but the forced automatic updates make up for it

[floral furnace]

oh yeah thats the best part

[buoyant obsidian]

I was so pissed last night when I got updated to 2018

I was enjoying 1945 and all the drama

then bam

[solemn rivet]

literally hitler

[buoyant obsidian]

there's spoilers all over this version

[floral furnace]

yeah but MemeIntegration™ was added in the 2000 update so i think its still worth it

[buoyant obsidian]

if (!v.isPlaying)
            {
                while (!v.isPlaying)
                {
                    yield return null;
                }
            }

is this not the same as just the while loop by itself?

[slow fable]

i would think so
i don't know much about coding
but i don't see what purpose the if might serve

[rain cedar]

That's the same yeah

This only enters the loop if x is true

while(x) { }

But this executes at least once no matter what

do
{ }
while (x)```

[odd jetty]

BTW, can you run two HK at same time in one PC?

[compact sedge]

I sure can't my system is way too lowend

also I don't think steam drm lets you

but if you have it on gog it should work

[odd jetty]

I don't have on GoG

[compact sedge]

you could try

[odd jetty]

I can open the same steam account in different computers? I assume yes if they are offline

[solemn rivet]

yes, you can

[odd jetty]

If things comes to worse I can run two instances in two computers. Good

Seems like the game itself stops from opening if it's running

poggers

Well, ish cause one version is Grim troupe and other is godmaster

[solemn rivet]

56 can you test for me?

[copper nacelle]

ye

[solemn rivet]

try running this on a clean install

[copper nacelle]

mac right

[solemn rivet]

ye

[copper nacelle]

ok lemme grab my laptop

[solemn rivet]

oh

and, one thing

when it asks if the shown path is right, please select "no"

and then manually select the path

that's what I'm testing rn

[copper nacelle]

ahh

end my life

[solemn rivet]

?

[copper nacelle]

i let someone borrow my laptop charger

and then they didn't give it back

[solemn rivet]

it's fine

[copper nacelle]

and it was in homeroom so i won't get it for like 2 days

[solemn rivet]

it's prolly broken and I won't fix it till tomorrow

and by then I can prolly ask someone else

well, it's getting late here

see y'all later

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

just plug your laptop to a bicycle and charge it yourself

[copper nacelle]

@compact sedge

[cunning lagoon]

wr here i come

i died twice on queen's gardens

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

wonderful website

[copper nacelle]

that's the third one, right?

there's the zote one, the nkg one

and that one

[cunning lagoon]

he has like 10 shitposts like that

[copper nacelle]

wtf

[cunning lagoon]

how people find that funny is beyond me

[floral furnace]

were like x amount of days away from hornet dlc so prepare for a bumpy ride

or just dont visit the subreddit to begin with

[cunning lagoon]

the latter is probably the best solution

[river eagle]

people in #archived-modding-development complaining about shitposts

🤔

[cunning lagoon]

fair

[copper nacelle]

idk what you're talking about

most serious mod i've ever made

[floral furnace]

what who would make shitpost mods hmmm

[cunning lagoon]

serious channel

[copper nacelle]

yes

[river eagle]

nice

[fair rampart]

good doggo bless you

[hollow pier]

wow is kuro actually being blue

sorry can't have that

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

why is your rta timer massive

make it 1/6th the size thx

[cunning lagoon]

You are right it should be smaller

[hollow pier]

isn't the default just smaller than igt

[cunning lagoon]

No

The default is above igt though

I moved it down

[hollow pier]

checkmate

[cunning lagoon]

Wait really

When dis I change that

[hollow pier]

🤔

[cunning lagoon]

Changed*

Change* actually

[hollow pier]

also run myla% so i have a reason to

beat 27:30 thx

[cunning lagoon]

U. Run any%

[hollow pier]

that means downpatching

i can't do that until all rad

[cunning lagoon]

So does Myla%

Doesnt it

[hollow pier]

no i ran myla% on 1315

[cunning lagoon]

Whats the objwctive in that

Killing myla

[hollow pier]

kill

[cunning lagoon]

So normal run until cdash

[hollow pier]

not giving you my route because i think it's trash

route it yourself and see if it's better

[cunning lagoon]

Do You need claw to get to cdash

[hollow pier]

yes

[cunning lagoon]

Or can You do some fancy sjit

[hollow pier]

not nmg

[cunning lagoon]

So any% until cdash then the run emds there

Or what el se triggers ver infection

[hollow pier]

have you tried typing

[cunning lagoon]

Am on phone so I hace an excuse

[hollow pier]

did you turn off autocottect

[cunning lagoon]

I should

[copper nacelle]

no don't

[copper nacelle]

I turned off autocorrect once

would not recommend

[hollow pier]

yes it is

[cunning lagoon]

Cant be worse than having english words corrected to a diffeewnt langiage

[copper nacelle]

i have my auto correct set to English/Latin/Polish

I don't even speak polish

[cunning lagoon]

Phones actually suck

[hollow pier]

latin

[cunning lagoon]

Cmm

[floral furnace]

r u awa

[copper nacelle]

also Greek

[hollow pier]

objective truth

when can we shrink pcs and just carry them instead

[cunning lagoon]

Imma chnage from playong hk con keyboard to touchscreen

[hollow pier]

have fun

[copper nacelle]

nkg touchscreen only

[cunning lagoon]

So whats raster getting 1.8k geo or killong soul master

[hollow pier]

56 is this you

minus the all

[cunning lagoon]

Also can u get claw without cloak

[copper nacelle]

u

yeah you can

[cunning lagoon]

You can do all of cp without cloak right

[copper nacelle]

i think so

[hollow pier]

that means going around greenpath into fog canyon

then queen's

[floral furnace]

i mean, arent all radiant bosses no damage to begin with

[hollow pier]

and a fireball skip into fungal

thatsthejoke.png

[floral furnace]

oh ok

i knew that

cough

[cunning lagoon]

thats probably faster than killing hornet

but you need dash to get to either sm

or the thing

right

[hollow pier]

i don't know do you

[cunning lagoon]

so like skipping cloak is not an option

no lol i have no idea

[hollow pier]

i don't know do you

[cunning lagoon]

well actually getting cloak is not really slow

so idk

ask someone who actually knows shit about speedrunning

does picking up dd set a hard save

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[cunning lagoon]

dumb

[rain cedar]

Wtf no

56 don't be stupid

[cunning lagoon]

[copper nacelle]

doesn't dive save

[rain cedar]

Oh yeah I guess if he meant dive 1

[cunning lagoon]

ye i mean desolate dive

[rain cedar]

They're both dd acronym

I thought you meant descending dark

[cunning lagoon]

right

[hollow pier]

does dung defender set a hard save

[cunning lagoon]

ok so

soul master is prob faster than going all the way around and selling a bunch of relics to lemm

to buy the stupid lantern

right

[hollow pier]

who knows

[rain cedar]

Skip dash and get dive

The new any% route

He's solved it

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

free wr

[cunning lagoon]

id like to know if skipping dash is actually faster

probably not

[rain cedar]

No it's not at all

[hollow pier]

it's like

[rain cedar]

Soul master is way slower too

[copper nacelle]

low% is like 15 minutes slower

[hollow pier]

completely one sided

[cunning lagoon]

ok

is soul master slower?

keep in mind this is myla%

[hollow pier]

who knows

[cunning lagoon]

so like no dnail necessary

or dreamers

or anything

is soul master slower than getting 1.8k geo

[hollow pier]

who knows

[rain cedar]

Idk without the 655 from watchers

[cunning lagoon]

sean knows he's smart

[rain cedar]

That's a lot of geo

[cunning lagoon]

yea

[hollow pier]

just kill wk lol

[rain cedar]

Probably an extra seal you can get

Killing watchers isn't gonna be faster than picking up a relic

Get the dirtmouth well seal

[cunning lagoon]

unless u farm 800 geo to get shade soul to kill them faster

stay woke

[hollow pier]

i just realized any% gets cdash in 24m

killing myla after is like 30s

so my one run is garbage

[cunning lagoon]

yeah and thats with a long detour bc you kill lurien before cdash

[fresh juniper]

So

Hello everyone

[cunning lagoon]

hello

[hollow pier]

f1

[cunning lagoon]

[fresh juniper]

How can i install bonfire mod?

[hollow pier]

📌

[rain cedar]

#archived-modding-help 📌

[fresh juniper]

ah ok

thanks

[cunning lagoon]

idk i think sanctum is faster than 1.8k geo

[fresh juniper]

So

Where can i find description of every mod?

[rain cedar]

📌

[fresh juniper]

can't see any descriptions 😦

[rain cedar]

[fresh juniper]

ok

[rain cedar]

ok

[hollow pier]

ok

[cunning lagoon]

ok

[copper nacelle]

ok

[floral furnace]

ok

[cunning lagoon]

theres a seal after sm

we can get dd and farm geo

woke

can you get to the gorgeous husk from the left side of the city?

[hollow pier]

who knows

[rain cedar]

I'm like 90% sure lantern is gonna be faster than soul master

You can just quit straight back to dirtmouth or wherever after lemm

[cunning lagoon]

you are correct

[rain cedar]

Enter from right side too, left side sucks

[hollow pier]

farm geo to enter peaks to drop down right side city

unbeatable route

[cunning lagoon]

no point in buying shaman stone right

so thats 220 we save

if we do the any% route but we replace wk with a seaL and dont buy the shaman stone

i think thats fine?

[hollow pier]

you need it for the extra damage boost against myla

[cunning lagoon]

there's a seal on the way to lemm

then you savewarp back to salubra's bench i guess? and uhhhhhhh

yeah that sounds about right

[rain cedar]

I think nsoob route would want to thorn warp into crystal peaks

Finally a reason to play on 1.0.0.6

Been waiting all year for this

[cunning lagoon]

claim the myla% nsoob wr

[hollow pier]

incredible

[cunning lagoon]

ok so that actually seems right

any% route but dont buy shaman stone and replace wk with the seal on the way to lemm

savewarp back to salubra, use the stag to go to dirtmouth and then go back to the crossroads stag

bench there to kill myla later and get cdash

[rain cedar]

Idk if thorns would even be faster than just floating into peak from dirtmouth

[cunning lagoon]

savewarp to the crossroads stag and kill myla

perfect route

[floral furnace]

do you guys speedrun for fun, or do you gain immortality on getting WR

[cunning lagoon]

each wr extends your life by 10 years

monstah is an immortal being at this point

[copper nacelle]

krythom is immortal as well

[tranquil glen]

I lost 10 of my years recently though

[tranquil glen]

Need to take those back

[cunning lagoon]

shit is this god

[floral furnace]

oh wait those answers arent needed noone plays hollow knight for fun anyway

[cunning lagoon]

we all gave up our souls to uumuu a long time ago

[tranquil glen]

I do it for fun

If i wanted to protect my record i wouldn't have left it at 25:41

[cunning lagoon]

btw 56 whats your any% pb

i want to beat uyou

[floral furnace]

wow look at this guy playing games for fun lmao what a nerd /s

[copper nacelle]

n/a

I haven't finished a run

[cunning lagoon]

[copper nacelle]

might try myla%

tbh

I have a route idea

[cunning lagoon]

sean add myla% to hkmemes

[copper nacelle]

^

[rain cedar]

Tomorrow

I'll get around to it

[cunning lagoon]

nice

[tranquil glen]

Crap guess ill start routing myla all glitches

What makes her killable

[rain cedar]

It would just be my elderbug route

[cunning lagoon]

cdash

as far as i know thats the only trigger

[tranquil glen]

Ah ok

[cunning lagoon]

could be wrong

[tranquil glen]

Sean i dont like your elderbug route, gonna enter from dirtmouth tbh

Dunno if its faster

But its more fun

[cunning lagoon]

if we were low on geo we could get the journal above the mantis village

its like a 20-30s detour

[rain cedar]

But I do enter from dirtmouth

[cunning lagoon]

but i think it should all work out

[tranquil glen]

Oh

Guess i didn't watch the whole thing

[rain cedar]

I forgive you

[tranquil glen]

Think i skipped around i

[fresh juniper]

ahem

[rain cedar]

📌

[tranquil glen]

Lol

[cunning lagoon]

[fresh juniper]

i've installed bonfire mod and mod manager

but

game crashes instantly after launch

[rain cedar]

Don't be on the beta

[fresh juniper]

[cunning lagoon]

how much geo is the cp toll

50?

[rain cedar]

No change it back

[cunning lagoon]

what

[rain cedar]

¿?

[cunning lagoon]

[copper nacelle]

yeah it's 50 iirc

[hollow pier]

yes 50

[leaden hedge]

50 what

[hollow pier]

also cdash is the only trigger

i've tested wk and lurien

[rain cedar]

bug bucks

[cunning lagoon]

this route is free

easiest route of my life

[leaden hedge]

whats the conversion of good boy points to bug bucks

[hollow pier]

.69

[cunning lagoon]

shouldn't need the mantis village journal

[copper nacelle]

can you do cpeak without claw

[hollow pier]

no

[copper nacelle]

ree

[copper nacelle]

I was gonna go for the clawless shade skip

plan ruined

[cunning lagoon]

right so

[leaden hedge]

thats like 20 gbp

thats 100 tendies

nty

ill keep my gbp

[cunning lagoon]

i think the seal next to lemm is a bit overkill

we should have enough geo

is this seal faster than the journal above the mantis village

i think we only need 1 of the 2

maybe we dont need either but idk

[hollow pier]

old any% got that seal

[cunning lagoon]

ill do a run rq to see how the geo works out

but i think its fine

it seems optimal

[leaden hedge]

just CE geo in 🤔

[cunning lagoon]

we could kill the double moss knights in greenpath

thats a shitton of geo

[tranquil glen]

what are you talking about? dont you just need 50 for the toll?

baldur gives that

[cunning lagoon]

and 1.8k for the lantern

[tranquil glen]

ah right you need lanterm

kk

[cunning lagoon]

ye we dont do shady shit

[leaden hedge]

just emit light

[floral furnace]

just increase brightness too 🤔

[leaden hedge]

set monitor gamma to max

[floral furnace]

yes

[leaden hedge]

also buy like inverse sunglasses

that multilply the light hitting them

[tranquil glen]

Wait were you going to get the money from lemm?

[cunning lagoon]

yeah thats the idea

[tranquil glen]

If so wouldn't it be faster to just get dive then?

Maybe not

[cunning lagoon]

i thought so but sean said he's 90% sure that getting geo is faster

he knows more about the game than i do so i trust him

[leaden hedge]

dive is like hella slow

[tranquil glen]

Fair enough

I don't know how fast stuff is nmg

[cunning lagoon]

atm we go all the way around cot getting erlics and geo

which is why i thought getting dive would be faster

but idk

[hollow pier]

erlics

is this thetim2

[leaden hedge]

what are you routing

[cunning lagoon]

myla%

can you explain the thetim2 joke

[rain cedar]

@glossy jungle hello

[glossy jungle]

wow that joke is among the deepest thetim2 lore

[leaden hedge]

can't you get the one before hornet
the one above mantis claw
the one above king station
and the one on the way to kingstation
then kill golden husk

thats 1870

[cunning lagoon]

• gruz mom and the 2 elder baldurs

should be enough

we only need 2k total

wait no

1900

[leaden hedge]

you probably want 350 for stag stations

[cunning lagoon]

we only need the crossroads stag

and the cp toll

[leaden hedge]

although I guess you could use city storeroom stag instead of king's station

[cunning lagoon]

we can just savewarp out of cot

[leaden hedge]

then you don't need the xroads one 🤔

[hollow pier]

big need

shadeskip salubra

back to that bench

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

then xroads stag to dirtmouth for lantern

then back to xroads, bench there

then savewarp there after cdash to kill myla

actually whats the fastest way to make it to myla

dirtmouth bench or xroads stag bench

idk so far the lantern route seems slow af

actually nvm its decent

ok now i hold the myla% wr

bow before me

still idk if its faster than just going to ss and killing sm

[hollow pier]

what was your time

[cunning lagoon]

idk lol i didnt time it

[hollow pier]

tfw

[cunning lagoon]

the geo count is not tight at all

no need to get the mantis village journal

[solemn rivet]

I'm pretty sure myla was already infected when I first entered cp on my first playthrough

[cunning lagoon]

she has 3 stages

normal, half infected and infected

[solemn rivet]

But ptk already tested and discarded the plausible suspects

No, she was like attacking me

[cunning lagoon]

half infected is triggered by picking up dive and some other crap

uhh

afaik cdash is the only trigger

[solemn rivet]

I went to talk to her and bam, pick to the face

[fresh juniper]

Glorious Combos does not works :(
Tried to reinstall both mod and API

[cunning lagoon]

are you on 1.4.2.4

[fresh juniper]

yep

[cunning lagoon]

then i cant help you sorry

verify reinstall and all that crap

[solemn rivet]

Does it show anything on top left when you open the game?

[fresh juniper]

yep

it says that i need ModCommon

[solemn rivet]

Sooooo

Get modcommon

[fresh juniper]

It downloads each time i launch ModInstaller ;-;

[solemn rivet]

?

[solemn rivet]

Ok, I'll take a look

Give me a minute to turn on my pc

[cunning lagoon]

yeah sanctum is soul

and also a very annoying area

[solemn rivet]

Dlk what geo are you getting rn?

[cunning lagoon]

gorgeous husk, journal on the way to the king's station, seal on king's station stag, seal on the way to lemm

[cunning lagoon]

and some conveniently placed geo nodes

also gruz mom and the baldurs

[fresh juniper]

other mods works, GC doesn't

[cunning lagoon]

i ended up with 100 extra geo so you could avoid some nodes

[solemn rivet]

And the route is xroads, greenpath, fungal, cot, cp?

[cunning lagoon]

yes

[solemn rivet]

Seems good

Getting dash or fireball into fungal?

[cunning lagoon]

getting dash

[solemn rivet]

Yeah, sounds better

Fireball is faster, but also gayer

[cunning lagoon]

i doubt its even faster

dash saves time

bc it allows you to dash

[solemn rivet]

Oh yeah, overall

You're right

[cunning lagoon]

yeah sanctum is garbo

[solemn rivet]

It's awful

[cunning lagoon]

it could be an option if you could savewarp out of there

[solemn rivet]

Oh yeah, for sure

The awful part is having to go all the way back

But from what you've said, getting geo isn't even hard, so there's no reason

[cunning lagoon]

getting geo is still a big detour

but it's the lesser evil imo

[solemn rivet]

But climbing to sanctum, beating soul master, going back and then getting the stag to dirtmouth is clearly worse

[cunning lagoon]

also sanctum is insanely annoying to navigate so i'd rather not touch that

[solemn rivet]

Only the room before sm

Those 3 flying buggers

k, finally at my pc

I'll take a look at the code for the installer

brb

[fresh juniper]

my friend successfully installed this mod

so i tried to reinstall the game

didn't helped

[solemn rivet]

go to Hollow Knight/hollow_knight_Data/managed/Mods

and see if there's a modcommon.dll there

[fresh juniper]

nope

why?

[solemn rivet]

show me the folder, will ya?

[solemn rivet]

k

[fresh juniper]

soo

where can i download that modcommon.dll?

[solemn rivet]

just a sec

done

try launching the installer again

[fresh juniper]

now it works

but

i tried to copy modcommon.dll from HK/Data/Managed to HK/Data/Managed/Mods

And it worked xd

[solemn rivet]

yeah, that was the issue

[cunning lagoon]

[solemn rivet]

it was installing it in the wrong folder

[fresh juniper]

ok thanks

soo

what exactly Glorious Combos does except mainscreen "ladder" and combo counter/damage multiplier?

[cunning lagoon]

wtf is a mainscreen ladder

[fresh juniper]

that thing on main screen

[solemn rivet]

how many screens are there

zeta - that's all it does, as the name implies

it adds a combo meter which increases your damage

[fresh juniper]

so description is actually better than actual mod xd

[cunning lagoon]

[solemn rivet]

man, rider is really messed up

nothing is compiling anymore wtf

[fresh juniper]

what about bonfire mod? it seems like pure disbalance for me rn

just stats boost

[cunning lagoon]

yeah the prank is that every mod sucks

[fresh juniper]

it boosts enemies or smth?

[cunning lagoon]

play vanilla

[solemn rivet]

it boosts enemy hp, yeah

[cunning lagoon]

did you end up looking into that softlock in deepnest

[solemn rivet]

wut

[cunning lagoon]

when you get the mask shard in fungal core you are stuck there

if you havent beaten the mantis lords

[solemn rivet]

wasn't that blackmoth?

[cunning lagoon]

oh i misread bonfire as blackmoth

[solemn rivet]

'ey dlk

[cunning lagoon]

'ey gradow

[solemn rivet]

sup my dude

[cunning lagoon]

not much whats up with you

[buoyant obsidian]

Hey Lightbringer is arguably balanced

[exotic venture]

balanced better than vanilla that's for sure

[solemn rivet]

wow mys

[buoyant obsidian]

Vanilla's balance is weird because spells feel so weak to new players

but they're actually broken

[cunning lagoon]

753 do you have ligma

wrong chat

[buoyant obsidian]

DL are you going to Saw Con?

[cunning lagoon]

no im going to furcon

OwO

[buoyant obsidian]

well saw con these nuts

[cunning lagoon]

maby i will

[solemn rivet]

til dlk is a furry

[cunning lagoon]

no i was joking

[buoyant obsidian]

sure you were buddy

[cunning lagoon]

i apologize for the confusion

[solemn rivet]

oh

too bad

anyway

when you get bored of myla%

wanna run blackmoth%?

👀

[cunning lagoon]

that run has to be like

25 minutes at most

there's no way the updash doesn't let you sequence break everything

[solemn rivet]

all bosses

or no balls

[compact sedge]

tbh I can't do deepnest's spider section in darkness

because I'm too bad at the game

[solemn rivet]

I can

had to learn it

[compact sedge]

but if I could I could probably get a pretty good time

[solemn rivet]

because I got stuck there once without lantern

good times

[compact sedge]

if you set your gamma to like 9.0 does it make it visible

[cunning lagoon]

you don't have to do dark deepnest

[compact sedge]

or no

[cunning lagoon]

if you mean any%

[compact sedge]

I don't see how you'd get a good time on blackmoth% if you didn't skip the lumafly lantern

[cunning lagoon]

you still need to get the cdash

[compact sedge]

no you don't

there's no reason you need cdash

[cunning lagoon]

do you have the shade cloak from the beginning

[compact sedge]

yes

[cunning lagoon]

wow thats insane

[compact sedge]

and also

even if you couldn't do lake skip

you get infinite dashes with QS

you can go through the crystal area just dashing

and even with just dashmaster and MOP you get enough dashes to cover any gap basically

in practice you can chain 4 horizontal dashes together

each of which goes almost a full screen

[cunning lagoon]

wtf

[solemn rivet]

3

3 horizontal dashes

[compact sedge]

it's 3 but it resets when you're on the ground

[cunning lagoon]

why would you have mop anyway

[solemn rivet]

ye

cause

[compact sedge]

so if you start dashing from the ground you can get 4

[solemn rivet]

long dash boye

[compact sedge]

or you could in the turbo blackmoth version (1.7 I think)

for 106% (or I guess 107%) MOP and longslash are actually really important

[cunning lagoon]

is that quickslash or longnail 🤔

[austere iris]

Both

[compact sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297468195026239489/449783761714806784/amazing-13.mp4 this is def the version you wanna play on tho

[cunning lagoon]

nice balance gradow

[compact sedge]

ever wondered why redwing is so OP?

it started out as a blackmoth addon

[cunning lagoon]

nice

[compact sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297468195026239489/450069890682978304/amazing-15.mp4 here's your speed with MOP and long nail but no sharp shadow.

[solemn rivet]

show grubber

I love grubber

grub me daddy

[compact sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297468195026239489/450722821702942720/amazing-17.mp4

ignore the sun

I was testing fireball generation

[cunning lagoon]

wtf

[solemn rivet]

you can actually controll that btw

it's basically free movement

[compact sedge]

grubber is such a meme I put it in shitmothst

if you run blackmoth with randomizer% reset until you get grubber where fotf is

[solemn rivet]

it's actually the embodiment of the famous saying "it's not a bug, it's a feature"

[compact sedge]

also idk if it's framerate based or me being stupid but I found in the newer version of blackmoth that has some of the problems patched I could occasionally take damage while in grubber from normal enemies

[solemn rivet]

yeah, that happens sometimes

I have no idea how to fix it

I tried adding a buffed to it

[compact sedge]

I actually fixed it... in redwing lol

[solemn rivet]

[compact sedge]

Sorry I should have sent fixes to you instead

[solemn rivet]

nah

what did u do?

[compact sedge]

but I was lazy and impatiant and trying to rush it out

[solemn rivet]

I just added a 2 or 3 second buffer after each dash

[compact sedge]

https://github.com/natis1/redwing/blob/master/redwing/redwing_hooks.cs#L267
https://github.com/natis1/redwing/blob/master/redwing/redwing_hooks.cs#L279

[solemn rivet]

during which you were invuln

[compact sedge]

I just do damage hook

return 0 when grubber running

[solemn rivet]

so that even if you ended the dash inside an enemy, you still have time to prevent damage

oh

that's smarter

modcommon or api hooks?

[compact sedge]

api

[solemn rivet]

oh nice

[compact sedge]

ModHooks.Instance.TakeDamageHook

[solemn rivet]

well, I gotta go now, but I'll patch that in later

also, the current version of the installer doesn't quite work on mac yet, but people don't expect it to, so it's fine

it should work if you manually select the path instead of letting it select it for you

[cunning lagoon]

i expect it to

work

i expect it to work*

[compact sedge]

No mr bond. I expect you to die.

[fresh juniper]

why does it feels like bonfire mod isn't working properly? i've installed EnemyHPBar and nail damage seems to stay constant whatever my lvl is

and enemies are the same as before (can't notice any HP boost)

[cunning lagoon]

damn

[hollow pier]

that's the real point of bonfire

baiting into another vanilla playthrough

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

dead server t to be tbh honest bh

[cunning lagoon]

you are mother dead

[hollow pier]

u

[cunning lagoon]

damn it!!

[hollow pier]

[cunning lagoon]

when are you running the new and improved myla$ route

im not correcting that

[hollow pier]

$

maybe this weekend

[obtuse pier]

Is there a way to check which mods have been updated for Godmaster?

[hollow pier]

my route did soul master

what do you think your time was

[cunning lagoon]

like half an hour rta

with pauses to talk with you

maybe a bit longer

[hollow pier]

25 igt maybe

low 20

[cunning lagoon]

also keep in mind that im not very good

[hollow pier]

myla sub20 is the goal

[cunning lagoon]

yea good runners can probably get sub 20

[hollow pier]

don't you have sub50 any%

[cunning lagoon]

yea i have a 44:06

with one death in the qga skip thing and another one right at the end of queen's gardens

[hollow pier]

@acrid

get sub44

[cunning lagoon]

also like 4 or 5 cycle uumuu

bc i have no idea how that boss works

[solemn rivet]

It doesn't

[hollow pier]

get first phase setup right and 3 cycle is free

[cunning lagoon]

yeah i'll learn that and get more prac on qga skip

sub 40 is free

i could also do deepnest route but i aint gay so nah

[hollow pier]

deepnest garbage

[cunning lagoon]

whats the beef with acrid

56 said he wants to beat him

and now you mention him

[hollow pier]

sub44

[cunning lagoon]

is it like a meme or something

[hollow pier]

wow if only you weren't a new guy

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

ur mom free

wait nvm

[hollow pier]

what

[cunning lagoon]

i misi misread "new guy as" free guy

[hollow pier]

me too

MUSU

what

misi

[cunning lagoon]

is my brain fried

[hollow pier]

why'd phone change misi to MUSU

[cunning lagoon]

so why is acrid a meme

explain

[hollow pier]

I see why you don't correct your typos now

they become worse

[hazy sentinel]

sub44, light theme, Myla kill

[cunning lagoon]

[fossil oxide]

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

typos, sharp shadow pop, no sub2:20

[hollow pier]

cdash early release

[hollow pier]

double

pogo

[cunning lagoon]

ill revisit the pop and get a flawless run

[hollow pier]

I also thought of a new dumb thing but it won't work

[cunning lagoon]

you will have nothing bad to say about it

[hollow pier]

sub2:15 when

[hazy sentinel]

sub0

[cunning lagoon]

prob never with current strats

but you never know

[hollow pier]

you haven't seen my strat that doesn't work yet

[hazy sentinel]

pfloat strats

[cunning lagoon]

which one

[hollow pier]

also pop isn't technically nmg restricted so you could float

where would float save time

[hollow pier]

first room

[hazy sentinel]

dgate invuln pfloat

[hollow pier]

wait pop has subcategories

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

I thought it wasn't important

is there an nsoob run

[cunning lagoon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow pier]

doesn't say empty

[cunning lagoon]

it's sr.com being weird i guess

[hollow pier]

so when are you submitting a new run instead of editing the old one

[cunning lagoon]

now i know that that's a thing

how high does a fall have to be for a menu drop to be worth it

[hollow pier]

like every distance

near hard fall and farther is worth

[cunning lagoon]

right

[buoyant obsidian]

I gotta make light theme HK for Shitmodst

[cunning lagoon]

what do you think is faster

red, right?

you have to use the elevator but i didnt screencap that

but you get the idea

[hollow pier]

red prob

[cunning lagoon]

yea

you have to watch the hornet cutscene

[hollow pier]

just jump over it lol

does it even lose igt

[cunning lagoon]

im not sure

i havent seen it since my first playthrough

[hollow pier]

wow if only you timed it with live split

[cunning lagoon]

the dialogue after the cutscene does lose time

but it's short bc chinese text op

also do you happen to know of a good way to navigate the dark room in the watcher's spire

[hollow pier]

dash twice jump twice

about a half second after entering the dark

[cunning lagoon]

nice

thank you

i always get stuck there for like 20 seconds

[hollow pier]

what a casual

use sharp shadow to do it in one dash lol

[cunning lagoon]

idk i feel like lantern route is not that much faster than dd route

whatever

[weary oyster]

does krythoms save state mod thing only work on 1028

@tranquil glen

[tranquil glen]

I only made it for 1028

did you want it for later?

right now it only comes bundled with the mini debug

@weary oyster

[weary oyster]

yea itd be cool to have

[tranquil glen]

I can see

it doesn't do permanent stuff yet just so ya know

[weary oyster]

yea thats fine haha

[tranquil glen]

@copper nacelle how do i actually make a mod that isn't a direct edit of assembly_csharp?

i've only ever done it that way

[compact sedge]

I have literally just the thing for that

https://gist.github.com/natis1/043d80259df05a3267556b24eac82d27 @tranquil glen

requires modding for a version of the game that has the api

[tranquil glen]

ye ok

cool thanks

[cunning lagoon]

sub 20 myla% is hella free

[hollow pier]

sub15

[cunning lagoon]

that's more on the probably not gonna happen territory

[hollow pier]

tas myla%

ag is probably like 7 minutes

[cunning lagoon]

eh actually i wouldnt be surprised if it was possible

whats ag

[hollow pier]

wait you need to actually get thorns right

maybe 10

all glitches

[cunning lagoon]

oh

idk i dont cheat

https://youtu.be/ouqcaZ3xoVc do you think that this saves time or is it better to call the elevator

the elevator kinda takes forever to come down

[tranquil glen]

what does myla% end on?

last hit of myla?

[cunning lagoon]

killing myla i assume

we have to ask devil to add her to the autosplitter

[tranquil glen]

honestly true

[cunning lagoon]

ok so going through the watcher's spire is slower than taking the other route

not surprising tbh

[tranquil glen]

where the hell is myla in the texture 2D folder

I can't find her

[cunning lagoon]

[tranquil glen]

wait is this her

dancing in the corner

[cunning lagoon]

yeah i think so

no wait

that's like

the miner

which is the same thing

right

[tranquil glen]

yea

but i want her dying

gonna use this

[cunning lagoon]

yeah that should work

[compact sedge]

the dying myla animation is just in enemies

and is the normal miner husk death thingy

[cunning lagoon]

anyway @hollow pier scroll up a bit and check out the fly pogo, it's faster than calling the elevator and then riding it up but you can also call the elevator and pogo on it midair which should be roughly the same speed as pogoing the fly? idk

i havent actually timed it so idk

[tranquil glen]

does myla die to one fireball?

[cunning lagoon]

she dies to 2 nail swings and one fireball

or 2 fireballs ofc

[urban olive]

Or one shaman stone shade soul

[cunning lagoon]

no need for shaman stone if you are using shade soul

[urban olive]

O

[cunning lagoon]

i save and quit to the crossroads stag so im not sure where to get soul for fireballs

i just hit a fly once then hit myla twice with the nail

[tranquil glen]

btw whoever said 7 minutes i think is very accurate

new fastest non IL cat

[cunning lagoon]

nice

how does the look down on tolls thing work

do you literally just look down for a second and thats it

[young walrus]

yup

why is this talk happening in #archived-modding-development btw?

lol

[cunning lagoon]

uhh idk i just kinda live here

[weary oyster]

think the fastest way to do look down is look down and release it as soon as the animation finishes

if you hold it too long the bell takes longer

also if youre cool you can look up instead

[cunning lagoon]

nice lol

thank you

[weary oyster]

@cunning lagoon whats the route for myla%

[cunning lagoon]

any% nmg until claw then go all the way around cot getting geo for the lantern

so i guess any% nmg until lurien

[weary oyster]

you kill fk?

or shade skip

[cunning lagoon]

shade skip

then i savewarp back to salubra's bench, buy the lantern and get cdash

adn then kill myla

i'll try out killing fk and getting dive one of these days

but sanctum is slow and annoying

so idk

[weary oyster]

you dont need geo for anything other than lantern right

[cunning lagoon]

50 for the cp toll and 50 for the crossroads stag

so 1.9k total

[weary oyster]

okay yea so practically thats the only thing

hmm with no geo gathering you might be able to make it to dive in like 14 min

ah its hard to say

14-15 i think

[cunning lagoon]

you still need some geo for the city storerooms stag

unless you use the elevator but that sounds slow

actually idk

[weary oyster]

elderbug% route might work for this lol

my elderbug SoB dive is 14:32

[cunning lagoon]

whats sob

oh sum of best

[weary oyster]

yea

the elevator is probably faster than collecting geo for the croads stag in vs split

when do you get to lantern with your current route?

[cunning lagoon]

after selling relics to lemm i savewarp back to salubra and walk to the crossroads stag

bench there and stag to dirtmouth to buy the lantern

then savewarp back to the crossroads stag

[weary oyster]

no like time wise

[cunning lagoon]

oh

idk i havent done a run yet