archived-modding-development

[floral furnace]

well you kinda can??? but its more of a recoil mechanic than actually aiming, also trying to aim upwards directly doesnt fucking work for some reason but aiming at like a 89.999 degree angle works

like theres this limit

fuck you calculus

[hazy sentinel]

so it's mouse/stick controlled?

[floral furnace]

no typical directional movement, mouse aiming is pretty much out of my scope (tho if i do manage to find if you can take in mouse input in game i MIGHT to be tbh)

can you see it now awa man

all the hk code in its glory

[stiff bane]

ohhhhhh

its documentation

yes now i understand what this program is for

[floral furnace]

yes its to steal code at 200% efficiency

[stiff bane]

this is a bit of a uh

information overload

[floral furnace]

you can try looking for HeroController

thats the majority of the code from what i can tell

[stiff bane]

im seeing hooks everywhere even though i dont even know what they are

time to learn c# h

[floral furnace]

its so you can check when they get called (and even override them)
for example the Afterattack hook is called... after an attack (WOW SUPRISING I KNOW!!1!1 xd xd), so if you wanna do something after an attack you can hook from there and execute your code

[stiff bane]

oh

[copper nacelle]

did it work taco

[stiff bane]

im used to working with simple if/else if statements so

[floral furnace]

not yet 56 its giving me a System.Tuple2 is needed or some shit, im googling it right now

[stiff bane]

lets see if i can mod anything in a month

[floral furnace]

try something simple first imo

then slowly inch your way to radmomma

[stiff bane]

yes

def not gonna start with that first

do i also have to learn assembly or can i ignore that gibberish

[floral furnace]

ehh youll understand it as you go on tbh

[solemn rivet]

no assembly needed

just basic c#

[floral furnace]

dont look at the hooks imo they can be confusing at first (even i dont fully understand the delegates etc etc)

[solemn rivet]

is that 56

btw check HeroController, awa

[stiff bane]

checking

[solemn rivet]

that's like 90% of what you're going to need

[stiff bane]

its just anything related to player right

[floral furnace]

yeah, and theres also PlayerData where it has the "haveYouMetNailMasterOnceYet" bools

[solemn rivet]

HeroController handles the knight's "playability"

while PlayerData is basically where all its data is stored

[stiff bane]

okay lets i guess

[floral furnace]

becareful with screwing around PlayerData since it can be kinda permanent if you dont undo the changes

[stiff bane]

give ourselves invincibility as a start

[solemn rivet]

also

don't mess with SetupNewPlayerData

it breaks the game

[floral furnace]

i still have a 5 notch heavy blow in my save cuz i fucked with PlayerData nothing of value was lost tho

[stiff bane]

it can be kinda permanent if you dont undo the changes

isnt that how changes work

[solemn rivet]

I mean

you'd literally have to edit your save

[stiff bane]

oh

oof

well im gonna be using a new save

[floral furnace]

i mean, depends on the user i mean, modding help occasionally gets "i uninstalled the mod but i still have 5000 damage how do i fix it" problems

[stiff bane]

i thought i could maybe like use unity to test in real time outside a save file

[solemn rivet]

you can test some stuff

[floral furnace]

i pretty much muted the game now since i have to open hk every few changes and i didnt want to keep hearing the intro menu music

those 6 piano notes man

[stiff bane]

[floral furnace]

iirc the hooks should have some description in comments

i think

[solemn rivet]

piano notes

you mean

zote hums?

[floral furnace]

i havent finished eternal ordeal yet

[solemn rivet]

"finish"

just get 56 m8

[floral furnace]

well "56"ed it if thats what you mean

the large shockwave zotes ends me faster than hornet can end gaming careers

[solemn rivet]

why play the game when you can't hear zote's sweet humming voice

[floral furnace]

~~by muting the game and just playing veru's 1 hour video of it also zote sucks anyway ~~

[solemn rivet]

no u

[copper nacelle]

if you don't learn assembly ur mum h

@floral furnace eeeee

show error

[floral furnace]

nibbug it says TupleV2 or something isnt defined, searched online and said i needed Framework 4.7

[copper nacelle]

ur cast wrong

@floral furnace e

[floral furnace]

nibbug this is the first time ive seen a syntax like this i was trying to decipher it 😤

[copper nacelle]

((type) object)

[floral furnace]

Reflection is massive lame

[copper nacelle]

if you have modcommon there's an extension method for reflection

[floral furnace]

wait how is my cast wrong, i know i know im dumb but i seriously dont know whats happening with this line

also i just realized i should also add diagonal aiming thx veru man

[copper nacelle]

((Dictionary<GameObject, List<GameObject>) typeof(ObjectPool)```

[stiff bane]

nothing seems to exist in the current context

nice

[floral furnace]

wats ur syntax

[stiff bane]

also im moving to #archived-modding-help

[floral furnace]

but why

[stiff bane]

its

modding help

[floral furnace]

but but isnt modding help more for "help i cant make the mod work on my game after installing" while modding is more for "how do i make mods" tho

[stiff bane]

sure

how dungo is this

[floral furnace]

thats not how you hoook tho

[stiff bane]

hhhhhh

wait

[floral furnace]

make another class imo

[stiff bane]

lemme like

actually read about hooks

[floral furnace]

imo what you do is lets say

Class1 : Mod{
public override Initialize(){
GameManager.instance.gameObject.AddComponent<Class2>()
}
}

Class2 : Monobehaviour{
// do your shit here

}

for hooks the modhooks can be accessed via
ModHooks.instance.AfterAttackHook += AttackMethod // call this during the initialization once

public void AttackMethod(){
//do this every after attack
}

[stiff bane]

i understand

maybe

[floral furnace]

dw youll get a hang of it in no time

[solemn rivet]

ttacco looks like it was mismatched parenthesis making it interpret reflection as tuple

[copper nacelle]

^

tuples are var x = ("garbage", 1, "is", 123123, "neat")

[floral furnace]

ill be honest i was embarassed of asking since it was still making an error

[solemn rivet]

typeof((ObjectPool).GetField("pooledObjects", (BindingFlags)36).GetValue(ObjectPool.instance))

try this

[floral furnace]

and ive been modding for like 7 hours straight already so i was kinda tired

[solemn rivet]

literally add one more ( at the start

[floral furnace]

Assuming were still talking about the same

 (Dictionary < GameObject, List < GameObject > typeof(ObjectPool).GetField("pooledObjects", (BindingFlags)36).GetValue(ObjectPool.instance))[HeroController.instance.spell1prefab] = new List<GameObject>();

syntax right?

[copper nacelle]

need more parens

 ((Dictionary < GameObject, List < GameObject >) typeof(ObjectPool).GetField("pooledObjects", (BindingFlags)36).GetValue(ObjectPool.instance))[HeroController.instance.spell1prefab] = new List<GameObject>();

[floral furnace]

im sorry i literally did not understand this syntax early on

[copper nacelle]

((type) objectWhichIsSecretlyThatTypeButDoesntKnowItYet)``` makes it that type

[solemn rivet]

what is bindingflag 36?

[copper nacelle]

NonPublic | Instance

[solemn rivet]

I'm rewriting this code

ok

Dictionary<GameObject, List<GameObject>> dict = new Dictionary<GameObject, List<GameObject>> {
    [HeroController.instance.spell1prefab]
        = new List<GameObject>()
};```is this what you want?

[copper nacelle]

no you're setting the one in the object pool

[solemn rivet]

oh just change the left side then

((Dictionary < GameObject, List<GameObject>>) typeof(ObjectPool).GetField("pooledObjects", (BindingFlags)36).GetValue(ObjectPool.instance))[HeroController.instance.spell1prefab] = new List<GameObject>();```

this

[copper nacelle]

@floral furnace is this u

[solemn rivet]

at most I get a possible nre

[copper nacelle]

i misspelled it

[solemn rivet]

which is that blue squiggly

[copper nacelle]

it's capitalized somewhere

[solemn rivet]

56 you had missed a >

[copper nacelle]

i am fuck

[solemn rivet]

one for the list, one for the dict

[copper nacelle]

@cunning lagoon @warped sinew

fixes the ui mostly

the main orb sometimes like

looks unbinded but it isn't

[buoyant obsidian]

Setting the one in the object pool... Does that mean every time you use spell1 it'll be the same as whatever you do to it after that line?

[copper nacelle]

no you're clearing the object pool

so that when a new one spawns it uses your changes

[buoyant obsidian]

oh

[copper nacelle]

you can use spawn pool hook to modify objects spawned from the pool

god tier hook

[buoyant obsidian]

I've been keeping an eye out for where to change
fsm.Fsm.GetFsmInt("Stun Hits").Value *= 2;
fsm.Fsm.GetFsmInt("Stun Combo").Value *= 2;

if I put it when a scene is loaded, it won't necessarily be loaded if the boss isn't, right?

[copper nacelle]

ye

also you have to get the fsm which has a diff name for every boss

[buoyant obsidian]

fuck

[copper nacelle]

you could iterate over all the fsms

and check if they have that int

and then change it

i think that'd find inactive ones too but don't quote me on that

[buoyant obsidian]

alternatively

I can override GetFsmInt so that if string = "Stun Hits" then multiply it by 2

as stupid as it sounds it might work

[copper nacelle]

yes

wait

[buoyant obsidian]

but I don't know how hard that is for performance

[copper nacelle]

no

that wouldn't work

[buoyant obsidian]

:(

FSMs probably don't use their own Get do they

[copper nacelle]

no

this is what most stun fsms use

which just has that set in the editor

it'd be dumb but you could override that and check the names in there

ig

[buoyant obsidian]

the data for the FSMs has to be in the resources somewhere, maybe I can find that and just hard-code it?

[copper nacelle]

it's in level files ye

wdym tho

[buoyant obsidian]

just manually set the number that might be 13

to like 26

[copper nacelle]

[buoyant obsidian]

but if it's in level files that means I'd need all of them

so that's a no-go for modding

iterating over all of them seems like it'll be by best bet

[copper nacelle]

ye

or

[solemn rivet]

753 you can iterate throught gameObjects' transforms

that you you can get their refs even if they're inactive

[copper nacelle]

On.HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.IntCompare.DoIntCompare += (orig, self)
{
    if (self.integer1.Name == "Stun Hits")
   {
       self.integer1.Value *= 2;
   }
   orig(self);
}

ig

[buoyant obsidian]

are FSMs even there?

I actually have no idea where FSMs are in relation to like GameObjects

[copper nacelle]

Object.FindObjectsOfType<PlayMakerFSM>()

ez

[solemn rivet]

that should work 56

[copper nacelle]

or go.LocateMyFsm("e")

[buoyant obsidian]

oh it's just a gameObject nice

[floral furnace]

sorry internet has been dying repeatedly and its getting late anyway so ill do this tomorrow again massive thx for all the help guys

[buoyant obsidian]

Now can I just throw that block of code into Lightbringer.cs, 56?

I'm still not too familiar with how hooks work

syntax-wise

[copper nacelle]

yeah

in like init

[buoyant obsidian]

also what the heck is += (orig, self){ stuff } mean

[copper nacelle]

just another syntax for hooks

[solemn rivet]

yeah, I'm not too used to that syntax

[copper nacelle]

it's adding a lambda as a hook

[solemn rivet]

sean likes it a lot

[buoyant obsidian]

is that like running the function with the arguments orig, self but also making the function into what's between { } ?

[copper nacelle]

yes

[buoyant obsidian]

oh that's neat

public override void Initialize()
        {
            Instance = this;

            try
            {
                RegisterCallbacks();
            }
            catch
            {
                CreateCanvas();
                _textObj.text = "Lightbringer requires ModCommon to function! Install it!";
                _textObj.CrossFadeAlpha(1f, 0f, false);
            }

            On.HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.IntCompare.DoIntCompare += (orig, self)
            {
                if (self.integer1.Name == "Stun Hits")
            {
                self.integer1.Value *= 2;
            }
            orig(self);
            }
        }

that look right to you?

[copper nacelle]

yeah but make the lambda into its own function

i was just doing it like that for showing the example

also it might be integer2 so add a check for that

[buoyant obsidian]

as in it's either integer1 or integer2 or it might be integer1 for some, integer2 for others?

[copper nacelle]

former

[buoyant obsidian]

ok good

am I starting to make a function correctly?

I still don't really understand what's necessary for hooking

RegisterCallbacks seems important to

[copper nacelle]

register callbacks is just a method w/ a bunch of hooks

hook has a handler which specifies the type of method to make

also yea that's right

() => is just another form for a method

[buoyant obsidian]

The format the other methods are doing seem to have orig_AddGeo and stuff

what would I do for

On.HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.IntCompare.DoIntCompare.orig_

is orig_DoIntCompare or whatever even defined anywhere?

[copper nacelle]

they're defined in the assembly

[solemn rivet]

btw 753

don't forget to return

[buoyant obsidian]

won't the original return?

it should be void

since it's a hook

ignore bool

right?

[copper nacelle]

no hooks can return values

[solemn rivet]

,

[copper nacelle]

On hooks require you to return the value you want

in this case return orig

[buoyant obsidian]

oh hmm

so the type would be a function?

return type?

[copper nacelle]

no you're calling orig

[buoyant obsidian]

oh

yeah

[copper nacelle]

And returning what it returns

[buoyant obsidian]

duh

[copper nacelle]

btw while the type of orig is set in the assembly it's just a function that's like the original

so like the original int compare takes nothing and returns a bool

so orig is Func<bool>

[buoyant obsidian]

I shut my hand in the door and now it's hard to code

[solemn rivet]

at least you didn't spill coke on your custom mechanical kb

[copper nacelle]

ree

why

[solemn rivet]

👀

[buoyant obsidian]

that would trigger me so bad Gradow

[solemn rivet]

inorite

[buoyant obsidian]

but look at it this way

now your cherry reds are cherry browns

[solemn rivet]

[buoyant obsidian]

oh, I found the cable to my mechanic keyboard

goodbye $5 crapboard

what am I missing here

integer1 and integer2 don't work

orig(self) is mad because I don't know the proper type for self

and I don't really see how this connects in the end

like what about running the method once in Initialize() will make it overwrite the old function for DoIntCompare?

[compact sedge]

if it's a static function there is no self

self is a pointer to the class

non-static functions always are called with a pointer to the class instance

it's just hidden normally

(this is true for all programming languages btw)

and also in addition to orig and self you need any variables passed to the function if there are any

so like for example if dointcompare takes 2 ints then it would be, orig, self, int one, int two

[solemn rivet]

just let vs/rider auto generate the method

it should give it any parameters it might need

and then you can edit it to suit your needs

[compact sedge]

also orig is gonna be of type: On.[classname].orig_[functionname]

and self is just gonna be an instance of the class

so for example

private void hitEnemy(On.HealthManager.orig_TakeDamage orig, HealthManager self, HitInstance hi) {
    orig(self, hi);

}```

[buoyant obsidian]

How might I allow Rider auto generate it for me?

private void DoIntCompare(On.HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.IntCompare.orig_DoIntCompare orig, HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.IntCompare self, int intOne, int intTwo)
        {
            if (self.integer2.Name == "Stun Hits")
            {
                self.integer2.Value *= 2;
            }
            orig(self);
        }

this appears to be the correct method

what else do I need to do to insure that it overrides properly? Or am I finished?

[solemn rivet]

Prolly evoke orig(self, intOne, intTwo);

And use those instead of self.integer1/2

[buoyant obsidian]

I'm not sure what you mean

[solemn rivet]

I'm on mobile

[buoyant obsidian]

What is evoke?

there's no evoke in the rest of this

[solemn rivet]

But instead of orig(self) do orig(self, intOne, intTwo)

[buoyant obsidian]

I can';t

[solemn rivet]

And instead of self.integer1.Value do intOne.Value

[buoyant obsidian]

orig only takes IntCompare as a parameter

[solemn rivet]

Then you've got the wrong hook

[buoyant obsidian]

...but... that's the only orig_DoIntCompare

[solemn rivet]

On. hooks are always of the form (orig, self, otherOrigParams) so you can always call it with orig(self, otherOrigParams)

[buoyant obsidian]

wait a minute

DoIntCompare doesn't take arguments

fucking FSMs man

[compact sedge]

if not then the correct function format is private void DoIntCompare(On.HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.IntCompare.orig_DoIntCompare orig)

and then just orig(self);

actually

don't call orig(self)

[solemn rivet]

Try typing On.HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.IntCompare.DoIntCompare += and then pressing Tab

[compact sedge]

just override it

and copy the new code in

or maybe override it only if the name is Stun Hits

[buoyant obsidian]

Why's that, AA?

[solemn rivet]

He has to call orig, AA, even only if the check fails

Otherwise it breaks all fsm intcompares

[compact sedge]

yes at the end you do but if you just multiply stunhits by 2 every time

[buoyant obsidian]

private void DoIntCompare(On.HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.IntCompare.orig_DoIntCompare orig, HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.IntCompare self)
        {
            if (self.integer2.Name == "Stun Hits")
            {
                self.integer2.Value *= 2;
            }
            orig(self);
        }

is this not fine though?

[compact sedge]

then it will go from 1 stunhit to 2 to 4 to 8

[buoyant obsidian]

I was also thinking that AA

not sure how to fix it but I'll test it first

[compact sedge]

try this instead:

if (self.integer2.Name == "Stun Hits")
            {
                self.integer2.Value *= 2;
orig(self);
self.integer2.Value /= 2;
            } else {
orig(self);

easy

[buoyant obsidian]

I just want to get the syntax down before anything else

[compact sedge]

but too lazy to format code

[solemn rivet]

Just cache it before calling orig and then revert the value

What AA did, basically

[buoyant obsidian]

makes sense

[solemn rivet]

Typing on mobile is slow af

[buoyant obsidian]

Ok so now all I've done is added this to my Lightbringer.cs class

private void DoIntCompare(On.HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.IntCompare.orig_DoIntCompare orig, HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.IntCompare self)
        {
            if (self.integer2.Name == "Stun Hits")
            {
                self.integer2.Value *= 2;
                orig(self);
                self.integer2.Value /= 2;
            }
            else
            {
                orig(self);
            }
        }

will this work, or do I need to write anything else to connect things?

[compact sedge]

I don't see why not

but ofc it's hard to know without testing because fsms man

[buoyant obsidian]

that part I'm not too worried about I can figure it out by myself

I'm mainly concerned with hooks

I've never really worked with them before and I'm wondering if a single method is enough to override it

[compact sedge]

sure, hook looks correct. just be sure that when you remove the hook like in an OnDestroy function you surround it in try catch because if it fails to remove it will throw an exception

which is something monomod hooks do but all other kinds of hooks don't do.

[buoyant obsidian]

Either DoIntCompare does nothing or I've hooked it wrong

because it's not calling Lightbringer's DoIntCompare

[compact sedge]

could add a log

see if it's being called

[buoyant obsidian]

I did

it's not being called

I look at a hook like AddGeo

and it's also in RegisterCallbacks and Unload

does that mean DoIntCompare should also appear in RegisterCallbacks and Unload?

[compact sedge]

uh probably

if RegisterCallbacks is run when you Initialize your mod

and Unload is run when you stop running it.

[compact sedge]

yee like this

does it not work

[buoyant obsidian]

It works! :)

Thanks for the help

now I can make people stop complaining about how easy Lightbringer is

[rain cedar]

It's good practice to do -= as well right before the +=

So you're sure to not have it hooked multiple times

[buoyant obsidian]

Any idea on the performance of a -= for this sort of thing?

[rain cedar]

Don't think it really matters since you shouldn't be running that often

Run a stopwatch though if you want

Can't imagine it's very slow

[buoyant obsidian]

also what's the difference between this hook that I just added myself, and something like ModHooks.Instance.SoulGainHook?

[compact sedge]

perf doesn't matter what matters is that -= for monomod hooks can fail if the hook wasn't added.

actually don't do -= right before doing += if you're sure RegisterCallbacks only runs once

[buoyant obsidian]

also this is probably neglible in the long run but does anyone know the performance differences between directly ccomparing a string to 4 other strings, using Contains(), or using StartsWith()?

[compact sedge]

I'd imagine in theory contains is probably an order of magnitude slower than startswith.

I don't have benchmarks tho

[buoyant obsidian]

That was my thought as well

[compact sedge]

actually I think at best (AKA if the string starts with the thing you are checking it contains) they are equally fast.

but if the string doesn't contain it on the other hand...

[buoyant obsidian]

which in most cases it won't

so Contains is probably out of the picture

direct comparison though...

[rain cedar]

It doesn't fail that was fixed a long time ago

[compact sedge]

other way around

it used to not fail and now it does

monomod hooks not the modding api or unity hooks

[rain cedar]

No I'm certain this is something I complained about then it got fixed

[compact sedge]

I'm certain in the version of monomod hooks that the API is using this is an issue

[clever imp]

Sorry to bother can someone assist me in modding help?

[rain cedar]

Then update monomod

[compact sedge]

idc enough to and it's a non-issue really

you do it

[buoyant obsidian]

private void DoIntCompare(On.HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.IntCompare.orig_DoIntCompare orig, HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.IntCompare self)
        {
            if (self.integer2.Name.StartsWith("Stun"))
            {
                if (self.integer2.Name == "Stuns Max")
                {
                    orig(self);
                    return;
                }
                self.integer2.Value *= 2;
                orig(self);
                self.integer2.Value /= 2;
            }
            else
            {
                orig(self);
            }
        }

Opinions on my code?

It's a little roundabout

[cunning lagoon]

🤢

[compact sedge]

savage

if it works it's good

[copper nacelle]

doesn't tho

[buoyant obsidian]

but... it does?

[copper nacelle]

you don't change int 2 before running orig self tho

[compact sedge]

wut

[buoyant obsidian]

I do, look again

[copper nacelle]

wait i'm blind

sorry

[buoyant obsidian]

You underestimate how hard to read my code is

[compact sedge]

what about

if (self.integer2.Name.StartsWith("Stun") && self.integer2.Name != "Stuns Max")

[buoyant obsidian]

I probably don't even need that stuns max line tbh

[copper nacelle]

no you should have it

keeps bosses harder

[buoyant obsidian]

It's harder yeah

but you won't realistically be stunning a boss 20 times in a fight

[copper nacelle]

hell mod lost kin

ez

[buoyant obsidian]

Hornet 1's stun max is 5 for example, which you'll probably reach

[copper nacelle]

nail0 lost kin runs out of stuns like halfway through the fight

[buoyant obsidian]

but there's also the question of consistency

In my opinion stuns max is a horrible feature

[compact sedge]

I agree

[buoyant obsidian]

since it's not something the player will realistically be able to notice / adjust to

[copper nacelle]

idk i noticed it

[cunning lagoon]

you didnt even make it to half health you liar

[compact sedge]

but also speaking of horrible features, the one where you can stun an enemy much earlier if you hit it frequently enough. it's dumb because many enemies with it like soul master can become unhittable for several seconds.

[copper nacelle]

not in low jump

[cunning lagoon]

oh ok move on then my b

[buoyant obsidian]

Stun combos is also a bad feature yeah

[compact sedge]

so it's just rng if you get an attack pattern that allows an early stun

[buoyant obsidian]

it encourages getting quickslash to cheese enemies

[compact sedge]

lol that too

lost kin is so easy thanks to stun combos

[buoyant obsidian]

^

[copper nacelle]

that's why you double it ez

[buoyant obsidian]

that's why I'm doubling it yeah

[compact sedge]

oh I just meant in vanilla

[cunning lagoon]

lost kin is so easy impossible thanks to stun combos empty hops

[compact sedge]

not even in lightbringer

[cunning lagoon]

there, fixed it

[buoyant obsidian]

Lost Kin is my favorite boss

[copper nacelle]

shouldn't you check if int1 starts w/ stun/is stun max too

[buoyant obsidian]

and the stun thing is probably the main reason I'm doing it

[compact sedge]

hey have you fought NKG since the grimm troupe came out 753?

[copper nacelle]

he got easier

[buoyant obsidian]

Yeah I have

like once

[compact sedge]

cuz that guy's my favorite boss followed by mantis sisters and then lost kin

[cunning lagoon]

mantis sisters

[buoyant obsidian]

I want to like NKG

[compact sedge]

sisters of battle

[buoyant obsidian]

he's an amazing fight

[compact sedge]

idk

[buoyant obsidian]

but some of his attacks really annoy me

[cunning lagoon]

is this mantis lords or sisters of battle

[compact sedge]

no the remake with all 3

that's my second favorite boss

[buoyant obsidian]

because the way I want to dodge him intuitively isn't correct

[hazy sentinel]

sisters of lords

[compact sedge]

mantis lords is number 4

[copper nacelle]

you can jump over the uppercut

if you want to

[cunning lagoon]

^

good strat

[copper nacelle]

fun too

[cunning lagoon]

very

[buoyant obsidian]

Least favorite boss goes to Zote hands down

[copper nacelle]

yes

[compact sedge]

mega moss charger wants a word

[buoyant obsidian]

literally fought him in 1/4 speed just to make sure

his boxes weren't broken

[cunning lagoon]

were they?

[buoyant obsidian]

nope

[compact sedge]

they sure feel broken tho

[buoyant obsidian]

the wave was bugged

but the hitboxes on it were fine

[compact sedge]

I fought him long enough to make bretta leave and never touched him again

[copper nacelle]

not looking forward to radiant tbh

[cunning lagoon]

i fought him once then started neglecting

on my playthroughs

[compact sedge]

same

[copper nacelle]

i do him for the essence sometimes

fuck trees

[cunning lagoon]

i just dislike the fight

[buoyant obsidian]

I can't remember who but someone posted a really detailed report on why Zote was a bad boss

[cunning lagoon]

yeah trees are boring

i just do white defender

actual good boss

[buoyant obsidian]

I fought White Defender once and once only lmao

because trying to get to 10 on Zote ruined my experience

[cunning lagoon]

see that's your problem

you fought gpz more than once

[compact sedge]

my favorite bosses are basically this really uncontroversial list:

1. nkg
2. sisters of battle
3. lost kin
4. mantis lords
5. pure vessel

[buoyant obsidian]

what is Pure Vessel?

[compact sedge]

it's the final boss at the end of the 4th pantheon in godmaster

[buoyant obsidian]

oh boy sounds exciting

[compact sedge]

remake of THK

fight

[buoyant obsidian]

unless it's a HK clone

fuck

[cunning lagoon]

atm for me its something like pure vessel, nkg, sly, sisters of battle, absrad

[copper nacelle]

he doesn't feel like thk at all tho

imo

[buoyant obsidian]

Radiance is an awesome fight

[cunning lagoon]

idk i'd say he feels exactly like thk

the gist of the battle is the same

you see him do an attack, you jump and pogo

[compact sedge]

be me

use dash

[cunning lagoon]

except the non-melee attacks are way cooler and the arena is sick

[compact sedge]

always

[cunning lagoon]

and the music is better

and you don't have to wait for 20 seconds for him to stop stabbin himselg

so i like him

also @copper nacelle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1eBCVztoCM watch

sub 2:20 soon 👀

skip like the first 15 seconds if you are lazy

the end is kind of sloppy but optimally it would save like a second

[copper nacelle]

wtf

are u god

[cunning lagoon]

i try to

thank you

[buoyant obsidian]

I thought Lightbringer would make panth 3 easier

holy fuck was I wrong

[still hare]

tfw you can't even get to the first checkpoint on vanilla

[cunning lagoon]

i mean p3 is for the most part considered the hardest one (except p5 obviously) so dont sweat it

just practice it and you'll get it

[compact sedge]

panth 4 is the hardest but only because of PV

[cunning lagoon]

remember that you can practice bosses at the hog

[compact sedge]

panth 3 has multiple hard bosses

[still hare]

I don't have enough time for PoP

[cunning lagoon]

oh you meant pop

i thought u were talking about the pantheons

[compact sedge]

and yeah once you unlock a boss if it's hard fight them a lot

[still hare]

well that too

I'm on panth 2

[buoyant obsidian]

WHY IS THAT STUPID BEE SO STRONG

[cunning lagoon]

[copper nacelle]

rush him down

[cunning lagoon]

i really really would love to know whymst are the wingmoulds rng

[copper nacelle]

he staggers really easily

[buoyant obsidian]

I'm on Lightbringer

[cunning lagoon]

they should just be completely static

theres no reason for them to move around

[hazy sentinel]

looks more natural

[cunning lagoon]

[buoyant obsidian]

Collector is super easy with Lightbringer

[compact sedge]

nice

[cunning lagoon]

replace "collector" with "game"

and its an accurate statement

[buoyant obsidian]

Lightbringer makes spells less effective

it's a weird balance

[cunning lagoon]

good

i dont use them anyway

[buoyant obsidian]

for casual players it makes the game easier

for good players it makes the game slightly harder sometimes

[cunning lagoon]

[compact sedge]

the joke is thinking kurosh is casual because he doesn't use spells

[buoyant obsidian]

He doesn't use spells?

[compact sedge]

desolate dive is the only spell you need

/ descending dark

[cunning lagoon]

unless im playing all binds or competing for something

like speedruns or ig

all binds requires you to use spells

[compact sedge]

pretty much

all binds without spells on P5 would take like 4 hours

[cunning lagoon]

i could eat my own words but im fairly sure p5 all binds without spells is not beatable

bc collector etc

[compact sedge]

not for a human

[cunning lagoon]

also you would just die of boredom

i did use spells for ngg and some of my radiant kills though

for the most part i keep it nail only because i find it more fun

[buoyant obsidian]

I should buff Collector for Lightbringer

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

perhaps beat him on p5

then think about buffing him

[copper nacelle]

just go to ascended in HoG

[buoyant obsidian]

Lightbringer makes him kinda trivial

[copper nacelle]

no

p5 makes him spawn primal aspids

[buoyant obsidian]

I can one-hit them I think

[cunning lagoon]

ok just so you know

[buoyant obsidian]

how much HP do primal aspids have?

[cunning lagoon]

what you just said is roughly equivalent to "false knight is too easy, i should buff failed champion"

[compact sedge]

exactly 35

[buoyant obsidian]

I do 20 a hit... :(

[cunning lagoon]

why are wingmoulds rng

garbage design

[buoyant obsidian]

holy fuck why do crits do triple damage

I'm crazy

[cunning lagoon]

anyway just go to the hog and fight ascended collector

you'll probably change your mind

they are 2 completely different bosses

[buoyant obsidian]

How many journal entries are there again?

[cunning lagoon]

ask in #hk-lore

they probably keep track of everything there

also didnt veru have some google doc with every entry or something

[buoyant obsidian]

Crit gives +6.4 damage on average

for 2 charm notches

that's a ton holy shit

although it's a reward for finishing the Hunter's Journal

so it's fair I guess

Does anyone have the list of charm numbers?

[compact sedge]

I haven't played lightbringer do you have to complete it 100% or just get all the entries?

like do you have to unlock all the hunter notes

[buoyant obsidian]

each entry gives more damage

[compact sedge]

huh

so it's preferable to save zote and kill menderbug

[cunning lagoon]

poor menderbug

[buoyant obsidian]

well, it's like 6.4/164 damage per entry

so if you care about a .78% damage buff go ahead

[compact sedge]

is it based on the fixed number 164 or is it 6.4 / whatever the maximum number shows?

[buoyant obsidian]

what do you mean?

 bool critical = false;
            if (HeroController.instance.playerData.equippedCharm_3) // Bloodsong replaces Grubsong
            {
                Random rnd = new Random(); // CRITICAL HIT CHARM
                int critChance = rnd.Next(1, 101);
                HeroController.instance.playerData.CountJournalEntries();
                int critThreshold = 100 - HeroController.instance.playerData.journalEntriesCompleted / 10;
                if (critChance > Math.Min(critThreshold, 96))
                {
                    critical = true;
                }

                if (critical)
                {
                    HeroController.instance.playerData.beamDamage *= 3;
                    HeroController.instance.shadowRingPrefab.Spawn(HeroController.instance.transform.position);
                    GetAttr<AudioSource>(HeroController.instance, "audioSource")
                        .PlayOneShot(HeroController.instance.nailArtChargeComplete, 1f);
                }
            }

[compact sedge]

I mean instead of having damage scaling being based on the number of enemies killed you could make it based on the percentage of the required ones killed

[buoyant obsidian]

in the end it's such a negligible number

[compact sedge]

until hornet dlc adds 400 enemies

/s

[cunning lagoon]

u are negligible

[buoyant obsidian]

also I got the math wrong

it's almost a 0.2% increase in damage per entry

and that's averaged

also journalEntriesCompleted vs. journalNotesCompleted

the latter means you gotta kill a ton, right?

[cunning lagoon]

nice

[hollow pier]

optimal

wait i just realized something

empty hops

and walking

are both the hardest attacks right

but mmc does both

and only both

[cunning lagoon]

which is why i had to cheat my radiant kill against him

[compact sedge]

mmc is objectively the hardest boss in the game

I mean they even put them after gruz mother which is how you know they're serious

[hollow pier]

kuro i found how to beat p5

[cunning lagoon]

speaking of which

this is huge

[hollow pier]

oh shit

[cunning lagoon]

inb4 it's a bug and they patch nail arts to make them do reduced damage

[hollow pier]

just don't beta lol

[cunning lagoon]

then we would have to deal with bugged absrad

i could not go for the stupid cycle and just beat my pb by 2 seconds

[hollow pier]

but what if you could get to absrad

[cunning lagoon]

because this is driving me nuts

i just dont want to have my sloppy ass 2:24 as my pb

[hollow pier]

get 2:22.22

for the fans

[cunning lagoon]

woke

i think ill do that for now

actually nvm ill just learn the cycle

i hate this stupid dash so much

and then i haver the stupid rng wingmoulds in the next room

im pretty sure there's a certain pattern that makes my strat impossible

[hollow pier]

yeah the wingmoulds suck ass

horrible in first room

[cunning lagoon]

first room at least is a quick reset

imagine getting the cancer cycle then dying to a wingsmould being out of position

[hollow pier]

PepeHands

[cunning lagoon]

and i have to edit my nohboard because i changed my bindings

[hollow pier]

did you change bindings from 5 to f4

like i said

[cunning lagoon]

yes those are my new bindings

everything is f4

[hollow pier]

are they really

yes good

use f4

[cunning lagoon]

my dude i use the numpad

not the horizontal numbers

[hollow pier]

numpad

please ban

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

so what like 5123

[cunning lagoon]

it was 456789

[hollow pier]

please stop

[cunning lagoon]

now i just moved them one down

so 1234556

[hollow pier]

use /789456

stay woke

[cunning lagoon]

cant use 5

i have it on dnail because i barely use it

[hollow pier]

so 1234556

[cunning lagoon]

5555555

[hollow pier]

5555555

[cunning lagoon]

this is how you know i wrote this

[hollow pier]

i see nothing wrong

[cunning lagoon]

wingmould rng 😩 👌

[hazy sentinel]

hey guys you won't believe it

i got all 4 hits of an abyss shriek off on no eyes

[cunning lagoon]

wow you were right

i dont believe it

[hollow pier]

i believe it

[cunning lagoon]

she's coded to teleport after the first hit

change my mind

[hollow pier]

she doesn't teleport at all she just tactically repositions herself change my mind

[cunning lagoon]

right

[weary lynx]

It's simple, she teleported after every hit, but she teleported back inside the Abyss Shriek every time

[cunning lagoon]

wow u right

thats what happened

i know bc i was no eyes

[hollow pier]

o shit

hi no eyes

is that why you make so many typos

[cunning lagoon]

yes

i use the braille lines on the f and j keys to guess where the letters are

[hollow pier]

braille lines

[cunning lagoon]

thats what they are called

or is it morse code 🤔

[hollow pier]

Here is how to tie your cast net braille lines to a net. Its a good technique when making a new cast net or repair it. ... first lay your net open inside out on the ground then while the braille lines are in the horn, open the braille lines up and don't get it crossed or tangled, then tie to the lead lines evenly.

[cunning lagoon]

I was dissapointed by this addon. I expect new lagre location like Sity of Tears, new charms, new storry, characrets and quests. Maby PvP mode. I agree give money for it. But i get only upgraded version of Trial of Fools. It seems developers now interests only making more and more money by releseases on consoles. Very poor, it was nice game.
MonStahLer, try Dark Souls series, with you skill you will be very good in it.

wrong chat

[fossil oxide]

Can a modder explain this

https://youtu.be/hkDD03yeLnU?t=8

[cunning lagoon]

no

[buoyant obsidian]

if I'm not mistaken it's like saying "I'll go buy a dumptruck to get all this dirt out of the way" and you're trying to bury your pet fish.

[compact sedge]

tbh that analogy took more time to come up with than whoever wrote that line in the show.

[cunning lagoon]

why

what is wrong with the line

[compact sedge]

shit u got me it's actually perfect

he's onto us intellectual hackers

[cunning lagoon]

i've had enough

this is a serious channel, no shitposts please 😡

[compact sedge]

Alright I think this is just an api bug

if you enable or disable ANYTHING

it does not persist

after quitting your game

even if you go into a save and then quit and to main menu

Even editing the modding api json to disable mods that way does NOTHING

[cunning lagoon]

who made the api

[compact sedge]

idk but people I can bug about it include sean (who only cares about the 1.2 api), 56 (who has much better things to do rn), gradow (who's too cool and important to bother), and all the other people with green names besides 753 (who all quit modding HK).

[cunning lagoon]

wdym "idk"

did no one make it

it just appeared

[buoyant obsidian]

It was kinda just... there

kinda spooky if you ask me

[compact sedge]

everyone in that list contributed to it

[cunning lagoon]

OK

keep it up

im proud of you

[compact sedge]

eh the bugs in modding api are nothing compared to the ones in debugmod

[hollow pier]

man if aa was a real modder he could fix this

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

its a shame he doesnt make mods

[compact sedge]

if I liked the debugmod enough I would but I only care about using it to hide elements of the game and... well this bug kills me

[fossil oxide]

Just play with your eyes closed

[compact sedge]

I never once enable the light

[hollow pier]

nice clickbait

no bug kills you

there aren't even enemies in the junk pit

smh my head

[cunning lagoon]

u are junk

[compact sedge]

actually fuck it I'm gonna make a custom me only patch of debugmod to delete the herolight object entirely from the game

[copper nacelle]

[hollow pier]

wow selfish

[cunning lagoon]

[compact sedge]

that's how salty this makes me

[cunning lagoon]

56 shouldnt you be in bed

[copper nacelle]

no

[cunning lagoon]

ok

fair

[compact sedge]

and I'm doing it on 56's branch because it actually is slightly less buggy

[copper nacelle]

it's 7:46 pm and I just took a 3 hour nap

[cunning lagoon]

wow degenerate

try having a normal sleep schedule

it's good for your health

[copper nacelle]

no

[hollow pier]

says kuro

who is actually nkg irl

[compact sedge]

Nightmargin

[copper nacelle]

my sleep schedule is okish now that school has started

[compact sedge]

/s

[copper nacelle]

I sleep at like 12-2am and wake up at like 5-7

[hollow pier]

5 hours of sleep isn't enough for a growing 15yo like you

[copper nacelle]

not half as bad as my summer schedule

[cunning lagoon]

what i used to do is sleep when i got home from school

then wake up at 1am

[compact sedge]

5 hours of sleep isn't enough for anyone

[cunning lagoon]

its the best schedule

[compact sedge]

hey 56 can we get your debugmod in the modinstaller?

[cunning lagoon]

hey 56 sub 2:30 pop when

[copper nacelle]

mine is in the installer

[compact sedge]

why is main menu storage possible only when you have debugmod btw

[copper nacelle]

dunno

weird bug

[compact sedge]

and f5 completely broken

which is supposed to pause the game

[copper nacelle]

weirder bug

[cunning lagoon]

also damage self and set hazard respawn dont work

[hollow pier]

hello it is now 7:53pm please praise our lord and show gratitude by reacting with as many checkmarks as you can ✅ ☑ ✔

[cunning lagoon]

oh i get it

because he reacts with checkmarks

and his name is 753

My Bad Ptk

[compact sedge]

checkrare checkunique checkuncommon checklegendary

[cunning lagoon]

but you got one part of that wrong

its 1:54 am

check your clock

[compact sedge]

also who seriously buys nitro and doesn't give themselves a very annoying gif

[cunning lagoon]

you are all backwards

[copper nacelle]

wtf

[cunning lagoon]

with your inches and your ounces

[copper nacelle]

It's negative cross scared but red

[hollow pier]

753 is perfect by himself as a static image

[copper nacelle]

That's a good emote

[buoyant obsidian]

I'm glad you noticed 56

I worked hard on it

[hollow pier]

what is negative cross scared

[compact sedge]

Debugmod but fuck the herolight. take screenshots that don't suck today.

[copper nacelle]

isn't hero light in vanilla

[compact sedge]

and now it's deleted

[copper nacelle]

[compact sedge]

hero light isn't lantern btw

it's a separate thing

[copper nacelle]

yeah ik

[buoyant obsidian]

yeah herolight is just a point light slapped on the hero object

[hollow pier]

a mod that's almost a whole megabyte how will my computer handle this

[copper nacelle]

but isn't the issue you were having just unity keybinds

you can interact with the menu while unpaused

[cunning lagoon]

pop sucks ass

[copper nacelle]

[hollow pier]

drink soda instead

coke lmao

keyboard

haha

[cunning lagoon]

eeee

[copper nacelle]

reee

I bought a soldering iron today

to fix my keys

[cunning lagoon]

just go abck in time and dont break them

ez

[copper nacelle]

my e key broke before the coke

[buoyant obsidian]

how does one fix keys?

[cunning lagoon]

think outside the box ybham6

[buoyant obsidian]

OH

keys

[copper nacelle]

Desolder the switch and then solder a new switch in

[hollow pier]

buy a new kb

[copper nacelle]

I think I just need to desolder the LEDs and then cause it's an open switch top I can just pop out the switches

which is great

[hollow pier]

can't wait for the i broke my keyboard even more update

[buoyant obsidian]

what kind of keyboard you using 56?

[hollow pier]

sfsekfnekf

awndakjw

[cunning lagoon]

[copper nacelle]

WhiteFox

w/ gateron blues

[hollow pier]

s/ meme didnt work

we did it

[buoyant obsidian]

sold out

[hollow pier]

can you select a specific i

iiii

[copper nacelle]

no

[hollow pier]

discord trash huh

[cunning lagoon]

hmm

i guess ill go back to skype

[buoyant obsidian]

those keyboards are very expensive wow

[copper nacelle]

yes

[buoyant obsidian]

makes sense though if you're going to type thousands of words every day

[copper nacelle]

ye

[hollow pier]

how does 56 afford all this keyboard stuff + pens + coke

[compact sedge]

GUYS I FOUND THE INVISIBLE ENEMY GRIMMCHILD WAS ATTACKING IN GRIMMCHILD UPGRADES. ALSO WTF

[copper nacelle]

Wtf

[cunning lagoon]

thats the elderbug

rude

[hollow pier]

it's literally edlerbog

[buoyant obsidian]

wtf

[copper nacelle]

the elder hides beneath the surface

[buoyant obsidian]

what's he doing down there

[compact sedge]

game considers it an enemy too

[hollow pier]

yo go oob and fuck him up

[copper nacelle]

elderbug is very scary

[hollow pier]

inb4 elderbug is in every scene

[tranquil glen]

lol wait actually why the fuck is elderbug there

[compact sedge]

here's the ones in the resting grounds stag station

[copper nacelle]

tf

[buoyant obsidian]

maybe they use him as signposts

and he's in every scene with the "Pay X geo"

[copper nacelle]

lmao

[tranquil glen]

that would be hilarious

[hollow pier]

is that not way down below past the grave

[buoyant obsidian]

can't remember what RPG did it but there's one that used the first NPC you encounter for everything from doors to signs

[warped sinew]

@cunning lagoon nail arts still do full damage with all bindings on

[compact sedge]

woah op

[warped sinew]

Use cyclone and great slash spam vs collector

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

is it a bug?

[hollow pier]

this is old news keep up

[cunning lagoon]

please dont patch it out

lol

[warped sinew]

Oh its defs a bug lul

[buoyant obsidian]

Nail arts existing is probably a bug

[cunning lagoon]

reee

[warped sinew]

Just use it

I have been away from HK for 5 days now, making me so sad. I was to do panth 5 haha

Someone is going to get it very soon. Next 48 hours for sure

[cunning lagoon]

yeah there's this guy on reddit who says he's going to do it in the next few hours

we'll see

ee

[hollow pier]

skurry almost did p5 2 binds and choked on rad

[cunning lagoon]

fuck

[buoyant obsidian]

Panth 5 all bindings?

Graig is waiting because he's the secret 6th pantheon

first to beat Panth 5 all bindings faces him in the new PVP mode

[warped sinew]

PvP would be so good

[hollow pier]

maby pvp

[buoyant obsidian]

Hollow Spirit 753 has invaded.

[hazy sentinel]

graig is sad because he couldn't PvP himself for the past 5 days

[compact sedge]

tfw u record the game at 0.1x timescale so you can speed it up and it won't look like super laggy footage

[buoyant obsidian]

sound though

[cunning lagoon]

thats the trick to p5

[buoyant obsidian]

you'd also have to multiply all sound files length by 10

[hollow pier]

record sound separately

and tas replicate what you did

[compact sedge]

no audio I'm recording video for a second dream no more ending because 1 wasn't good enough

well I guess third dream no more ending

[hazy sentinel]

overlay music and say you turned game sound off

ez p5 all binds

[compact sedge]

inb4 kurosh actually fought infinite NKG for 60 hours and just sped the footage up.

[cunning lagoon]

[compact sedge]

also graig do you know why the in game pantheon timers are so dumb?

[cunning lagoon]

inb4 veru grinded essence for 6 hours but then slowed the footage down

[hazy sentinel]

hey AA how many modcommons did kuro download today

[warped sinew]

Hmm you could actually do that lol with sanic.dll

Play game at half speed

[cunning lagoon]

good luck making it look legit

[warped sinew]

Haha @hazy sentinel you should make a meme vid

Do panth 5 all bindings, but then dub the audio all wrong

[hazy sentinel]

if anything I'd just do dgate invuln

[compact sedge]

I updated modcommon right after yesterday's stats so I actually expected the number to actually go up

[cunning lagoon]

haha i got you again

fool

[compact sedge]

btw for comparison invulnerabilitymod on moddb got 40 downloads today

[cunning lagoon]

thats surprisingly low

[warped sinew]

Can mod common just come packaged with the api? Basically everyone uses it right?

[compact sedge]

the biggest part of modcommon is now part of the API which is monomod hooks which is good because it means you don't need both beta branch modcommon and beta branch modding API

but at the same time I can't build beta apis anymore so it's all useless

[hazy sentinel]

gamma branch API

[compact sedge]

(Or I could but I'd have to use steamcmd to get the beta and I'd be unable to test it and screw that)

[warped sinew]

There won't be betas for much longer.

[compact sedge]

thank god

[hollow pier]

you mean i'll be forced to do nerfed uumuu

[cunning lagoon]

will the nail arts bug be fixed?

[warped sinew]

Once tc settle on a final patch you won't see anything till hornet DLC I guess

[compact sedge]

will you unnerf absrad in the final version

[warped sinew]

That's some time off

[compact sedge]

and unnerf PV too

I heard he was nerfed

[trim totem]

what was the absrad nerf

[cunning lagoon]

less hp

[hollow pier]

pv staggers more yes

[compact sedge]

less hp and not a nerf but they fixed the ball bug

[cunning lagoon]

also i believe you can see the fireballs more clearly

[trim totem]

smh can't believe they nerfed the ball bug

[compact sedge]

pv staggered a lot when I fought him in non beta

[hollow pier]

yes now he staggers like he wants to

[warped sinew]

I don't think it needed any nerfs! Also in the pre release they had less rest rooms in the pantheons

[trim totem]

is the non beta version free of nerfs

[hollow pier]

yes

[copper nacelle]

yes

[hollow pier]

also when is pv no jump

[compact sedge]

I don't think the rest rooms actually help since they're not checkpoints

[trim totem]

then i'm just gonna not update

[compact sedge]

I can rest well enough at least without bindings anywhere just by healing

[warped sinew]

I was against adding more, in fact I was against rest rooms at all lol

[cunning lagoon]

the rest room have lifeblood

[compact sedge]

I mean if HK was a game you couldn't pause at any time by pressing escape they'd be a good idea

[cunning lagoon]

masks

[compact sedge]

not for me

[cunning lagoon]

but they do for other people

[trim totem]

excuse me what

[compact sedge]

I only did T1 mask binding and only to test my combo mod

[cunning lagoon]

ok so they are useless for you

not for other people

[compact sedge]

can you do each trial 4 times with 4 different bindings and unlock the lifeblood room?

[cunning lagoon]

i think so but thats lame

[compact sedge]

smh my head

[cunning lagoon]

oh also you get more lb masks in beta

if im not mistaken

[copper nacelle]

ye

[compact sedge]

what a dumb reward for doing bindings

[cunning lagoon]

you

[compact sedge]

congrats on beating the most challenging thing HK has to offer: here's a thing to make the game easier

[buoyant obsidian]

Final version better have 2 notch dreamshield

[compact sedge]

also imo you guys should make it so when you update the game and the notch costs change it changes it on your save file

[buoyant obsidian]

oh yeah don't some people still have 2 notch quickslash?

[cunning lagoon]

how is it even possible to trade hits with wingmoulds

doesny your attack get cancelled when you take damage

[compact sedge]

2 notch quickslash, 2 notch flukenest.

maybe one other one I'm forgetting

3 notch deepfocus maybe I don't remember

[copper nacelle]

you take damage then attack right after