archived-modding-development

[solemn rivet]

that + primals not shooting right after spawning make the fight a lot more consistent

[cunning lagoon]

yeah that 100% needs to changhe

[solemn rivet]

that can prolly be modded in tbh

but then again there's no point

[cunning lagoon]

speaking of which

[compact sedge]

so what's the damage of the bound nail?

13

or 14

[cunning lagoon]

should i be using stuff like debug or healthbars for my p5 run

[solemn rivet]

13

[cunning lagoon]

or should i keep it vanilla

so no one complains

[solemn rivet]

keep it vanilla

yeah

[compact sedge]

wow if it was 1 higher greatslash would oneshot aspids

[fair rampart]

it already does

doesn't it?

[cunning lagoon]

does it?

[fair rampart]

I'm like 99% sure

[compact sedge]

it shouldn't if it's 13

[cunning lagoon]

it should be mathematically impossible

[solemn rivet]

they have 35 hp, no?

[fair rampart]

pure nail + great slash = oneshots primal aspid

[cunning lagoon]

they have 35 health and i checked that with debug

[compact sedge]

because 13 * 2.5 = 33

[solemn rivet]

uhhh

not purenail, dude

[fair rampart]

or are you talking about something else

I just got in

[solemn rivet]

sharpened

[cunning lagoon]

yeah we dont have 21 damage

[fair rampart]

and saw "primal aspid great slash"

[compact sedge]

I know they have 35 hp because I made max level grimmchild do exactly 35 dmg to screw them

[fair rampart]

just believe in urself and your faith will do the rest of the damage

[cunning lagoon]

haha thats great aa

[fair rampart]

heck

[cunning lagoon]

no swearing 😡

[solemn rivet]

tbh DLK it makes sense to restrict even seemingly innocent mods such as hpbars

[cunning lagoon]

i'd say debug is more innocent than hpbars

[solemn rivet]

because they take away stuff like figuring out who is who in boss fights with multiple enemies

[cunning lagoon]

as long as i stream it and dont touch debug it does nothing

[compact sedge]

I mean people do runs with hp bars and nobody complains

[cunning lagoon]

hpbars actually gives some p useful information

[solemn rivet]

yeah

[cunning lagoon]

oh thats what you were saying

i misread that

[solemn rivet]

but you can cheat silently with debug

[compact sedge]

I disagree that it's that useful tbh. kinda antiuseful if you change your strat half way through

[solemn rivet]

because... Well

keybinds

[cunning lagoon]

yeah true

ill just keep it vanilla

[solemn rivet]

AA I mean like

[cunning lagoon]

not that im even close to winning that anyway

[solemn rivet]

take Oro+Mato

if you're not used to telling who's who, you can't easily predict their nail arts

[cunning lagoon]

tbf in that specific situation its easy to tell them apart because each one has a different nail art

[solemn rivet]

but with hpbars you can just keep track of their hp

and that becomes a non-issue

yeah, they do

but the charge is the same

[compact sedge]

don't they look different

[solemn rivet]

or is it not?

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

but you can jusut

keep track of them

in your brain

[solemn rivet]

I know

that's what I do

but, again, hpbars help with that

it' s not cheating, but

some might consider it so

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

[compact sedge]

ok

[solemn rivet]

it's like those Hearthstone addons that keep track of your cards

so you know which cards are left in the deck

[compact sedge]

I don't even think hpbars is useful and when I used it it made me worse because I'd see an enemy is low and just rush them down

[solemn rivet]

technically you can do that by yourself

AA do you even Dark Souls m8

never greed a kill

[compact sedge]

I greeded a lot of kills in salt

and it worked really well

actually salt is weird

[solemn rivet]

unless you can afford to pay the price

[compact sedge]

the bosses get easier the further into the game but the normal enemies get harder

[solemn rivet]

well, yeah

[cunning lagoon]

is this gungeon

[solemn rivet]

did you fight the Three btw?

hardest boss for me

so bullshit

[compact sedge]

I skipped quite a bit of the game tbh

[solemn rivet]

it's an optinal boss too

didn't find it my first playthrough

[compact sedge]

still took me 23 odd hours because dagger sucks

but I did it with dagger so

go me I guess

[solemn rivet]

my first playthrough I was so op

got claymore

got scissors

gg

[cunning lagoon]

gg

[compact sedge]

I did single dagger, no lefthanded thing

actually awful

I was doing like 44 damage by the end at around level 70

[solemn rivet]

I didn't know scissors were op until I watched some speedruns

I thought every end game weapon was kinda the same

[compact sedge]

I went into it knowing daggers were shit tho so it's my fault

[solemn rivet]

apparently not

kek

[compact sedge]

I wanted a challenge

tbh I mostly wanted all the rumors about dark souls difficulty to be true

[solemn rivet]

well

[compact sedge]

and if it takes handicapping myself to make it so then so be it

[solemn rivet]

s&s is... Way easier

[compact sedge]

I mean the timings on S&S are wayyyy more generous

[solemn rivet]

but I'd also say it's... More fair?

that's what I feel like, anyway

[compact sedge]

like for comparison a game like slain gives you about a 4 frame window to parry

[solemn rivet]

I hate slain

[compact sedge]

but salt gives you like 90 frames to dodgeroll

I beat slain once and never touched it again

it's fine

[solemn rivet]

well, idk if it's 90 frames

[compact sedge]

it's not amazing

[solemn rivet]

DkS's rolls are somewhere around 15 frames iirc

maybe 13

idk

don't quote me on that

[compact sedge]

well I mean you have like 90 frames to dodge an enemy because it takes them a second and a half or so to attack but if you're already in another attack animation then that time goes down.

[solemn rivet]

yeah

[compact sedge]

some enemies are faster ofc

[solemn rivet]

that's one thing S&S does really well tho

telegraphing

even faster enemies have very clear tells for their moves

the worst offender in that category for me is the third lamb

hate that boss

[cunning lagoon]

is this isaac

[solemn rivet]

ye

[compact sedge]

one thing I don't like about S&S and idk if it's a darksouls thing or an S&S thing but I really hate how your max hp goes down as you take damage and by quite a lot too at least in my playing

[solemn rivet]

no, that's S&S

it's kinda Souls-inspired, but that's all S&S

each souls game does it differently

[compact sedge]

heres the thing: normally you wanna save your healing things until you're low but it's a risk reward type thing where if you use them when you're not low you risk wasting them.

But it ruins this by basically saying: "If you take the risk of using healing items when you're low we will punish you"

[cunning lagoon]

then dont take damage

[solemn rivet]

in DS1 you have "human" and "hollow" states. If you die human, you go hollow and lose 1/2 max hp.

in DS2 every time you die you lose some hp until you have only half left

I think it's like 1/10 every time

[compact sedge]

so normally when you're half hp you have to decide if it's worth healing or saving it until you lose even more hp. But the loss of max hp makes this decision really easy: always heal.

[cunning lagoon]

dont be half hp

[compact sedge]

we can't all be gamer gods kurosh

[cunning lagoon]

wow am i not dl anymore

[compact sedge]

some of us die on mantis lords, twice, in steel soul runs.

[solemn rivet]

oops, DS1 doesn't punish your max hp

it started with DS2

[compact sedge]

punishing max hp for dying is ok, but punishing it for taking damage is bad game design imo.

[solemn rivet]

yeah

but it's inspired on that

demon's souls is the one that takes away half your max hp

DS3 is kinda the opposite

you can use an item to increase your max HP till your next death

by like 30%

[compact sedge]

and the other aspect of game design I found bad was basically the entire leveling system. it forces you into using only a few kinds of weapons which is bad enough but it also doesn't do anything interesting. if you wanna put levels in your game make them unlock new combos or abilities or something, not just boost your stats.

Salt would have been better without levels.

[solemn rivet]

that's DS in a nutshell

levels only give stats

[compact sedge]

although they would have needed to find something to do with the actual salt iself

[solemn rivet]

and stats only gives more numbers and being able to equip more stuff

tbh that's still better than death's gambit levelling system imo

I hate that

it's shite

[compact sedge]

Any system that both gives the game a negative difficulty curve while also limiting the player's playstyles fails on two counts.

how does death's gambit do it?

[cunning lagoon]

how was death's gambit anyway

i've read some people say it's absolutely great and some say it completely sucks

[solemn rivet]

it was ability point based (kinda like S&S)

but you only have like a miniscule skill tree

and all skills suck

except for like one or two super end game

[compact sedge]

(nothing against bonfire mod but I didn't like it for the same reason... sorry gradow)

[solemn rivet]

I don't like it either, m8

[compact sedge]

I love blackmoth tho, that shit's still fun af.

[solemn rivet]

tbf y'all should play Valdis Story

love that game

I used to run it

have a pretty good time too

but the category was discontinued

[compact sedge]

looks cool

[solemn rivet]

it also has an ability-point levelling system

but there are three ability trees from which you can choose, and the abilities actually do stuff

like, you can gain certain power ups early on

[compact sedge]

woah I found you on the steam forums for that game

[fair rampart]

how exactly could I find strings such as the names of attacks? i.e. checking if an attack comes from thorns of agony

[solemn rivet]

nothing game-breaking, but

still real nice

wdym Xhu

[compact sedge]

(I'm guessing it's you considering the same name, hollow knight background, and level 5 hollow knight badge)

[solemn rivet]

yeah, I was pretty involved with that game

[fair rampart]

well

[solemn rivet]

yeah, that's me

[fair rampart]

I know some attacks have certain type names

i.e. vengeful spirit is Fireball, ground pound is Hit L and Hit R

[cunning lagoon]

it does look like a fun game

[solemn rivet]

well

those are the fsms

just to close up on valdis story shilling

it has a combo system AA

[fair rampart]

I've been told that an "fsm dump" would be helpful

[solemn rivet]

you do more damage, get better heals (if you have life steal) and get exp multiplier for better combos

that was actually a big part of the old strat

you'd be underlevelled 90% of the run

then you'd no-hit an end-game boss with a high combo meter

and instantly BOOM

level 20

it was nuts

like 10x multiplier

Xhu so

[compact sedge]

(tbh idk if adding a combo system to HK was a good idea it just seemed like something worth trying to see if it would be fun or not in GM and I'm still undecided on if it's fun.)

[solemn rivet]

you can try taking a look at the AttackTypes enum

also, try checking the HitInstance in TakeDamage

it might be of help

aside from that, the only thing I can say is to dump the knight's fsms and check them manually

PrintSceneHierarchyTree is your friend

AA it feels kinda out of place because the knight has basically only one move

the fun part in combos is chaining moves together

[compact sedge]

I know I just wanted to figure out some way to reward skillful play.

[solemn rivet]

DMC is basically only famous for that, which idk if it's a good thing

yeah, I gotcha

just sayin

[compact sedge]

but ur right

I don't even play DMC

the only game I've played with a combo bar recently is clone hero

[cunning lagoon]

[solemn rivet]

[compact sedge]

(that game technically only has one move)

[solemn rivet]

idk what that is, so I react like I belong to feel part of the group

[cunning lagoon]

its like gh3

[compact sedge]

it's a guitar hero 3 clone

basically

[solemn rivet]

oh

now I can properly say

[cunning lagoon]

people have been modding gh3 for like 10 years

[compact sedge]

god knows why, what an awful game to mod

[solemn rivet]

man, talking about VS made me feel like playing it again

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

[solemn rivet]

see ya later scrubs

[compact sedge]

Bye

[cunning lagoon]

cya

[solemn rivet]

nah, I'll never leave ya

[cunning lagoon]

nice

[solemn rivet]

we're a family

[compact sedge]

Well I might. I might go to sleep but not lie and actually stay up an hour later like last time. Or at least try not to.

[solemn rivet]

Veru is our mom

and Mick is our dad

[compact sedge]

I want a new family

can I reroll

[solemn rivet]

is this a gacha game

you got a nat 5* family!!

but, yeah

time to sleep

[cunning lagoon]

can someone explain to me why wingmoulds are rng

garbage design

[fair rampart]

is there perhaps a function to add a lifeblood mask?

[solemn rivet]

you can manually set those, Xhu

check dsnpy

HeroController is your friend

[fair rampart]

will that update the HUD automatically, tho

[solemn rivet]

you can do that too

there's a method that does that

I think you pass the amount as argument

[fair rampart]

that would probably help for the baldur shell glorify

[solemn rivet]

dunno

I wonder if I can mod Valdis Story...

probably not

[fair rampart]

I wonder what glorified Joni's should o

I guess more masks couldn't hurt

[cunning lagoon]

gimme uhhh 40 lb masks thank you

[flat forum]

Glorified Jonni gives you the blue masks on top of your normal ones

[cunning lagoon]

papers

[fair rampart]

unglorified

dang glorified doesn't actually work

[cunning lagoon]

[fair rampart]

unglorified

glorified

time to add the glorified lifeblood charms

• fragile heart

BIG MASK

[cunning lagoon]

[fair rampart]

here it is w/o fragile heart

[cunning lagoon]

does it actually go offscreen or are the other masks just not in the screencap

[fair rampart]

it literally goes offscreen

[cunning lagoon]

wow joni's might finally be wroth using

[flat forum]

wroth

[cunning lagoon]

i dont see anything wrong with that word

[flat forum]

Indeed

[cunning lagoon]

I agree with FoldingPapers

[fair rampart]

here's all the charms that have glorified variants so far, presenting as bool names

[flat forum]

I agree with The God of Gods DLKurosh

[fair rampart]

not grimmchild though

ignore that

[flat forum]

Also, Xhuis

what did you do with Fury?

[fair rampart]

absorbs a hit that would kill you

[flat forum]

and then activates?

[fair rampart]

nuh, it activates at 1 HP like usual but also absorbs a hit while at 1 HP

[flat forum]

Look at this please
https://github.com/FoldingPapers/NewFotF/blob/master/ClassLibrary2/NewFoTF.cs

[fair rampart]

what it do

[flat forum]

slowly boosts your damage as you lose health

[fair rampart]

neato burrito

[cunning lagoon]

did you steal the charm from papers 😡

you are going to jail mate

[flat forum]

What?

[fair rampart]

I kinda have one like that in glorified grubsong

[cunning lagoon]

i am calling the fbi as we speak

[fair rampart]

it gives you more soul on hit as you take more dmg

[flat forum]

I am willing to give my stuff away for free

but can I at least go to jail

[cunning lagoon]

no you are not going to jail

xhuis is

[flat forum]

send me to jail Please

[cunning lagoon]

why would you go to jail you are the nicest guy on planet earth

xhuis, on the other hand, is a filthy criminal 😠

whymst the fucc are wingmoulds rng im sol mad

[fair rampart]

prove it

I browse incognito mode

[cunning lagoon]

shit you got me again

[flat forum]

I wonder why

[fair rampart]

hmm, what to glorify next

[flat forum]

me

turn me into an actually decent person

[cunning lagoon]

papers you are already glorious

[flat forum]

Not as glorious as you

[fair rampart]

also, how do I get an FSM dump?

[cunning lagoon]

arguable

[fair rampart]

also just kith

[flat forum]

FSM dump of what?

[fair rampart]

strings and dictionaries ideally

[flat forum]

There was an FSM dumper I think

and I have dumps for all rooms

[fair rampart]

I'd like to let attunement/whatever it is that lets you glorify charms be visible on the godtuner desc

but I would have to override the godtuner description call

though, for that, I need the string that refers to it

[flat forum]

thanks to the glorious glorious h 56

[cunning lagoon]

@copper nacelle is there a way to permanently set my hazard respawn at the beginning of a room?

the second pop room, specifically

[hollow pier]

are you cheating for sub2:20

[cunning lagoon]

i am cheating for practice

also do you happen to know what exactly is allowed for speedruns

say, if i were to have a mod that killed me when pressed a button

[flat forum]

everything

[hollow pier]

unmodded

[cunning lagoon]

but monstah does have at least one mod in his run

[hollow pier]

that's really the only rule

[cunning lagoon]

which is why im asking

[hollow pier]

no third party

[cunning lagoon]

what

what is that

[hollow pier]

he doesn't use it idk

[cunning lagoon]

¿?¿?

[hollow pier]

ask monstah

the only reason api isn't allowed for runs is because faster quitout

you never quitout in pop

[cunning lagoon]

ok

ill just go unmodded

also i didnt know it let you quitout faster

huh

i was asking because having something to reset runs faster would be really useful

so i wanted to know if something along those lines was allowed

[hollow pier]

use kry's 1028 savestate mod

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

it quitouts faster because it unlocks the cursor

[cunning lagoon]

i see

[young walrus]

the only mod allowed is for all glitches, b/c it allows that category to even happen by extending each transition by 1s

[cunning lagoon]

also good news im getting better at the cancer dash

oh nice

[hollow pier]

i think what monstah has is just some info program

[cunning lagoon]

yeah that makes sense

[young walrus]

otherwise, you must play without mods

vanilla game

[hollow pier]

it tells him the hazard respawn resets whenever he touches the ground

[cunning lagoon]

sure

thanks mick

[hollow pier]

which is when it resets

[young walrus]

if monstah really has mods installed during his run, then it should be caught during run verification

[cunning lagoon]

nah its probably not a mod

[young walrus]

easy way to tell is on quit outs

if anything shows top left

[cunning lagoon]

my only problem now is i make it to the second tunnel faster than trinomi

and i bump into the saw

actually no i dont wtf

i need sleep

[hollow pier]

have you tried sleeping before 7am

[cunning lagoon]

i mean it is 7am

but i woke up at 8pm

so im not that sleep deprived

[hollow pier]

is this 56

[cunning lagoon]

i do make it very slightly faster than him but thats not the reason im bumping into the saw 🤔

im just bad

[hollow pier]

so are you actually a bat irl

[cunning lagoon]

uʍop ǝpᴉsdn ǝʌᴉl ᴉ ɥɐǝʎ

[young walrus]

you live in australia?

[cunning lagoon]

yeah my dad is team cherry

[hollow pier]

don't tell your dad about aa's mods

[cunning lagoon]

i hate this stupid dash so much

[hollow pier]

is this the new and old collector

[cunning lagoon]

no because you can actually get good at the dash

[hollow pier]

collector is free lol

[cunning lagoon]

ur mother

is 56 sleeping

i require assistance

[hollow pier]

he doesn't have school so probably not

[cunning lagoon]

do you think that doing this is faster

[hollow pier]

probably not

[cunning lagoon]

i can go up from the wall pretty damn fast

[hollow pier]

regain dash

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

im gonna have to start timing these things

[hollow pier]

do this stay woke

[cunning lagoon]

[keen surge]

learn how to fly with the monarch wings instead of just double jumping

then you can do it even easier

[hollow pier]

if you can actually land on that third one

that's swag as fuck and fast

[cunning lagoon]

also you mentioned cancelling the cdash on the wall before

eh nvm its prob not faster

[hollow pier]

no you cancel it before and dj

stay woker

[cunning lagoon]

also you are going to love my new strat on the second to last room

its sexy af

[hollow pier]

is it better than shriek skip

[cunning lagoon]

i still think normal strat is just as fast as shriek skip

[hollow pier]

shriek skip without the shriek lol

[cunning lagoon]

yeah that sounds fast

[hollow pier]

is it second or first half of that room

[cunning lagoon]

well no bc it all depends on the cycle

second

[hollow pier]

o

[cunning lagoon]

this strat is 100% better than shriek skip

im ont sure about the normal one

[hollow pier]

is this sub 2:15

[cunning lagoon]

absolutely not

i do wonder if that would be possible

probably not

[hollow pier]

have you considered fireball skips anywhere

[cunning lagoon]

uhh

where would they exist

[hollow pier]

who knows

maybe you need to reach a wall idk

[cunning lagoon]

i've thought about skips with sharp shadow

the best thing i found was the last room cycle

which is huge

[hollow pier]

oh wait

[cunning lagoon]

but not enough to get it to sub 2:15 lol

[hollow pier]

couldn't you fireball the second to last wingmould in first room

you don't gain pogo height

it's faster right

[fair rampart]

lovely

[warped sinew]

I'm about to watch your run on pop now

[cunning lagoon]

the one in the very very long thing?

[hollow pier]

or does it not matter because of the cycle

no

[cunning lagoon]

or the one before that

[hollow pier]

the first half

[cunning lagoon]

uhh ill check

i hope you like it graig

the beginning is kind of sloppy

[hollow pier]

tbh you could fireball instead of shriek skip i think

[cunning lagoon]

one of these?

[hollow pier]

if you just need the tiniest stall

fireball him

unless you can just dash past him with sharp shadow

[cunning lagoon]

im not sure how that's useful

[hollow pier]

that'd be cooler

[cunning lagoon]

no you don't have the dash there

but that would be great

[hollow pier]

oh wait

you pogo dash yeah

need to pogo

[cunning lagoon]

actually no it wouldn't because left saw would be in the bottom

so you'd have to wait for it to go up

[hollow pier]

just use wings + fireball for the wingmould before it

[cunning lagoon]

you'd have to save like 3 or 4 seconds to actually make a new cycle there

and the current cycle is already tight

[hollow pier]

yeah i don't see a godder cycle

[cunning lagoon]

i did the cdash cancel into dj

it feels fast

[hollow pier]

wings are so slow tho

[cunning lagoon]

still

the crashing animation is so slow

[hollow pier]

i do it anyways

yeah but you can cancel cdash early

and still wj

[warped sinew]

Nice work but pre lifeblood patch, yuk :p

[cunning lagoon]

yeah downpatching is nnoying

make them buff sharp shadow so we can play on 1424

[hollow pier]

also is the inv drop before the first soul totem worth

could you down dash

[warped sinew]

Dive

[cunning lagoon]

you dont even have dash there

diving would be about the same speed as menu drop

[hollow pier]

just pogo lol

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

that saves walking left

[cunning lagoon]

walking left is annoying

i could just walk right then dash into the wall

[hollow pier]

you can't

inv drop is weird

[cunning lagoon]

ohh yeah

[hollow pier]

eats your dash

[cunning lagoon]

that was annoyinhg

i forgot

[hollow pier]

unless you wanna wings > dash

[cunning lagoon]

more reason to dive then huh

[hollow pier]

idk

[cunning lagoon]

perhaps

[fair rampart]

how good is dreamshield?

not sure if it needs glorifying

[hollow pier]

absolute garbage

[warped sinew]

So I was thinking in HK graig edit to separate the charms into classes, then have separte notches for each class. Combat/Movement/Utility.

[hollow pier]

triple overcharm stay woke

[warped sinew]

That way you are limited to not just use all combat charms, I dunno its still a half baked idea

I like the idea of more of the other charms being used. A lot of them would need a rework.

Oh and when you get a charm notch you can allocate it

[cunning lagoon]

yeah atm there's a couple charms that just dominate everything

and most of them dont see use which is sad

[hollow pier]

1424 is the optimal pop patch because of buffed sprintmaster change my mind

[warped sinew]

Tbh I think there is just too many charms, I would probably cut it down

[cunning lagoon]

yeah that's also true

stuff like dcrest or spore shroom is like

idk

[warped sinew]

I mean variety is good too though so yeah idk either

[cunning lagoon]

but is there actually variety

like, the charms exist

but there's not really a reason to use them

if you want to go for a meta build you just get shaman stone fstrength and all that crap

there's no place for, say, thorns of agony

[hollow pier]

tbh too many things are named ss please rename things that are ss to something not ss

[cunning lagoon]

also true

sharp shadow shaman stone shade soul

[hollow pier]

steel soul spore shroom

[cunning lagoon]

shit there are way too many ss

[hollow pier]

soul sanctum

also a lot of dd

ddive ddark dung defender

[cunning lagoon]

tc likes alliteration

@warped sinew also it's prob worth looking into this

[fair rampart]

heckk

I have a good amount of glorifiables now but I still dunno what I should implement with regards to actually glorifying them

ideally you'd get a currency through pantheons and be able to spend that to glorify but I have no idea where to even begin with that, or how to check for bindings and panth completion

[raven kayak]

oh yeah, that was me about WD

so it it lb hearts then, thought it was to do with them

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

[raven kayak]

theres also a weird leg eater bug with the discounts now

you can get the price down to 0 if you leave and reenter the shop with defenders crest

[warped sinew]

Oh lol....

[cunning lagoon]

lol nice

[warped sinew]

I think I know why that's doing that.. Lol I'll tell them

[cunning lagoon]

sweet

thanks!

[raven kayak]

but yeah the lifeblood heart bug is worse

[warped sinew]

I'm talking about leg eater, no idea about the HP but I'll report it too hehe

[cunning lagoon]

o

@hollow pier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1eBCVztoCM
new second to last room, a bit sloppy at the end but you get the gist of it

[fair rampart]

voidtuner!

[hollow pier]

is it supposed to just be a black screen

[cunning lagoon]

no

[fair rampart]

nope

[cunning lagoon]

also that looks hecking cool af

[hollow pier]

oh ok video worked second time

looks cool

prob saves like a second

[cunning lagoon]

yeah something like that

[hollow pier]

going to sleep because I'm not grimm

[cunning lagoon]

gn

[fair rampart]

I wonder if it's possible to change the sprite of the void heart

[crude hedge]

This is really my first time dropping in here but I’m curious just in general...what is the most common/popular thing to be modded in the game in this server?

[fair rampart]

likely too early to say right now

gameplay overhauls are surprisingly common

[crude hedge]

Ahhhh. Didn’t know if it was a cosmetic group or a gameplay group or what.

[fair rampart]

@copper nacelle is it possible to change the void heart sprite?

cosmetics are a lot harder to do than gameplay but are perfectly doable

mostly, that is

[crude hedge]

Anyways carry on I don’t really have a dog in this fight lol just making some inquiries.

[raven kayak]

@warped sinew Sorry to ping you, but about the damage with lifeblood hearts, it may also be happening with fragile heart as well.

[fair rampart]

now I just need to change the sprite...

I want to make it this, but I dunno if I can

[fair rampart]

blagh

I don't have time to figure this out, I'm on a plane in 3 hours

[warped sinew]

Ok

[fair rampart]

on the bright side, I have a neat glory lineup

purtty

[rain cedar]

Arcane egg is my favorite charm

[neon ocean]

Hey everyone ! Do you think it's possible to create a mod where you can see how much damage you dealt when you hit an enemy? Would be useful to chose what charms/attacks to use, because I'm not sure the damage values in the wiki are correct (Thorns of Agony = 2x nail ? Don't think so). I'm not too fond of health bars as it's not as precise and kinda kills the suspense for me. Is it even possible to instantiate text assets from a mod in-game/in combat ? Thanks 😃

[fair rampart]

so like

damage numbers

didnt have to go so in-depth with it lmao

[fair rampart]

airport boys!

@rain cedar excuse you, it's an arcane egg with a white bit

the name of it is "esoteric egg" so yeah, I know, I know

[copper nacelle]

@cunning lagoon debug has a set hazard respawn iirc

@fair rampart yes

if it's like fstr then it'll be in some random FSM action

like this is how you set fstr

GameManager.instance.inventoryFSM.gameObject.FindGameObjectInChildren("25")

.LocateMyFSM("charm_show_if_collected").GetAction<SetSpriteRendererSprite>("Glass Attack", 2).sprite

.Value = Sprites["Charms.brokestr"];

[floral furnace]

56 you got any code that involves create new actions?

i mean removing actions then adding a new one

i wanna mimic the fluke's using FlingObjectFromGlobalPool instead of SpawnObjectFromGlobalPool

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[floral furnace]

Lostlord too?

[copper nacelle]

public static void RemoveAnim(PlayMakerFSM fsm, string stateName, int index)

{

Tk2dPlayAnimationWithEvents anim = fsm.GetAction<Tk2dPlayAnimationWithEvents>(stateName, index);

FsmEvent @event = new FsmEvent(anim.animationCompleteEvent ?? anim.animationTriggerEvent);

fsm.RemoveAction(stateName, index);

fsm.InsertAction(stateName, new NextFrameEvent

{

sendEvent = @event,

Active = true,

Enabled = true

}, index);

}

[floral furnace]

big mc thankies

[warped sinew]

so i just tried out that bindings mod

either it sets the nail damage too low or the "woke" versions of bosses are buffed

[copper nacelle]

doesn't ascended have like 25% more hp

[warped sinew]

the primal aspids dont get any more hp in the collector fight

they should have 35

they should die in 3 hits

but with bindings mod its like 5

[copper nacelle]

wtf

[warped sinew]

that probably why DLK was having so much trouble

[copper nacelle]

if you check in debug it's def set to 13

[warped sinew]

i tested it with a save file i made that set nail damage to 13, and i did the ascended fight

they died in three hits

which is correct

[copper nacelle]

eeeeeee

is your nail damage < 13 on that save

[warped sinew]

hold up it was on my end lol i had WOKE.dll in my mods folder

😃

[copper nacelle]

nice

whoops

i never put the bug fixed bindings on the drive

the old one sometimes set damage back to 21 when you died

[warped sinew]

ok yer its working normal now hehe

[copper nacelle]

[warped sinew]

are the nail bind and charm bind HUD pics supposed to appear?

[copper nacelle]

no

maybe i should try adding that again

last time it just broke all the bindings

[warped sinew]

wait what now all my hp is white?

[copper nacelle]

ui is bad

[warped sinew]

righto. im only using it for prac anyway

ok now the aspids are dying in two hits... lol

[copper nacelle]

ye

the unfixed one is on the drive

[warped sinew]

oh

is there a fixed one i could have bby

[copper nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/484542480411525144/Bindings.dll

my fault sorry

[warped sinew]

also does modcommon fuck with this at all?

[copper nacelle]

shouldn't

[floral furnace]

You have an recommendations on editing the prefab itself? what im doing right now is instantiating/cloning at runtime once you attack then editing the values afterwards (again not sure if this is the most efficient way of doing this im just experimenting at this point),

KDT mentioned that the inconsistent sizes are due to the fireball being pooled, so it can range from this

[copper nacelle]

idk

clear the pool

[floral furnace]

uhh sorry if im dumb but how again?

[copper nacelle]

GameManager.instance.DoDestroyPersonalPools();

i think

[floral furnace]

so do i have to clear the pool everytime i fire? you know what field testing is always the best testing

[copper nacelle]

i love it when the reason something was breaking was cause it was throwing but unity didn't log it

thanks unity

maybe i can actually fix the ui now

[floral furnace]

you mean like when you accidentally try to configure some values or what not before the herocontroller instance is created then try your mod but nothing is happening until you realize why you fucked up but unity didnt bother saying why? totally

[copper nacelle]

hhhhhh

i swear it's gonna be throwing in the apply bindings method or some nonsense

wow try catching apply bindings worked

is this loss

[floral furnace]

| ||
|| |_

[copper nacelle]

reeeeeeeeeeeee

[floral furnace]

is the health binding the only thing thats fucking up right now/

[copper nacelle]

no

try catching apply bindings breaks it

[floral furnace]

oof

[copper nacelle]

tbh

just gonna apply bindings myself again

maybe i can actually fix all this stuff now

hero controller wasn't set in the main menu how unexpected

i bet it's gonna be something like waiting 5 frames

[floral furnace]

for the instance to be created?

[copper nacelle]

scene binding check maybe

or maybe it's cause i'm waiting 2 frames

that'd be terrible

not waiting 2 frames causes another error

is this loss

also this

[floral furnace]

i dont see the problem with that image then /s

[copper nacelle]

oh i think it's cause the soul orb fsm wasn't set

fantastic

[floral furnace]

i was honestly so fucking wrong when i said "oh wow fsms arent so bad after all" 2 months ago

[copper nacelle]

yes

wow it breaks anyway

thank you dark souls

uhhh

i got the ui to work

but also i don't exist

[floral furnace]

as in existentially you dont exist irl or do you mean in ga- oh ok

[copper nacelle]

both

[floral furnace]

same

[copper nacelle]

did you know waiting till the soul orb fsm exists makes you die irl

[stiff bane]

how do i mod hollow knight with the api

[copper nacelle]

you have vs, right?

[stiff bane]

what

[floral furnace]

Visual Studio

[stiff bane]

yes

[copper nacelle]

studio visual

ok so you make a new project

class library c#

.net

then you go to references and add Assembly-CSharp.dll as a ref

while you're at it also add UnityEngine, UnityEngine.CoreModule, and PlayMaker imo

[stiff bane]

should i back up my saves

[copper nacelle]

yes

[floral furnace]

Project > Add Reference just to be exact (unless youve already dealt with this )

yes awa suffer with us in the flames and the fsms

[copper nacelle]

make ur first mod cg3

after you've done that you want a class that inherits from Mod

or Modding.Mod if you don't want to have the using statement but not having the using statement is why

[stiff bane]

no im doing good absrad

[copper nacelle]

absrad already good cmm

[stiff bane]

ur gay

[copper nacelle]

u

[floral furnace]

oh fuck i just realize, what if instead of resizing the fireball sprites i just make the replaced sprite smal- oh wait that would just stretch it right

[copper nacelle]

yes

or you could have transparent borders

w/ a tiny fireball in the middle

but don't do that that's terrible

[stiff bane]

wait shit

[floral furnace]

YES

but

[stiff bane]

which one do i pick a

[floral furnace]

i dont have to deal with random sized fireballs being spawened

net framework

[copper nacelle]

Class Library .NET

[floral furnace]

oh wait im blind

[stiff bane]

oh

polish translation gay

[copper nacelle]

nice

[floral furnace]

use a real language, use morse code 😩

[copper nacelle]

wow i maybe fixed ui

🅱ruz 🅱other might still be broken

[stiff bane]

what do you have to do to get the green name

[floral furnace]

sacrifice your soul to sean

[copper nacelle]

become a fsm irl

ok gruz breaks it

wtf

[floral furnace]

delete gruz momma

[copper nacelle]

i mean you can still kill gruz

gruz just

floats out of existence

[floral furnace]

is it only her that breaks it?

[copper nacelle]

idk checking some other bosses rn

mawlek works

radiant massive moss charger works

[floral furnace]

are you testing one by one in the HoG of panth 1?

[copper nacelle]

no just randomly doing them

fuck i stopped existing again

[floral furnace]

oh wait theres no point in using it in panth one since they have the bindings in the first place

nice

[copper nacelle]

wait no i'm just invisible

just gonna steal debug's invisibility thing

[floral furnace]

[stiff bane]

what does api even stand for

[copper nacelle]

application programming interface

iirc

[floral furnace]

also 56 i think im just gonna go with transparent method because pooled objects are being fucking stupid

[copper nacelle]

no don't

they'll still have big hitboxes

just override the pool spawn

[stiff bane]

so uh

[floral furnace]

the inconsistentness of the size is annoying, also i cant do the shotgun method- wait how

[copper nacelle]

there's a hook

[stiff bane]

i added the ref

now what

[copper nacelle]

make one of your class inherit from Mod

[floral furnace]

also do
using Modding;
using UnityEngine;

do you need the new core too?

[copper nacelle]

need that as a ref but not as a using afaik

https://github.com/5FiftySix6/HollowKnight.Lost-Lord/blob/master/LostLord/Kin.cs#L203

ObjectPoolSpawnHook

god tier hook

[stiff bane]

[floral furnace]

if this fucking works 56, i swear i will forever cherish you as 5 "God of FSMs" 6

[copper nacelle]

haha yes

@stiff bane what part

[stiff bane]

part

uh

yes

[copper nacelle]

[floral furnace]

he added the reference then what now, is what he means

[stiff bane]

i think so

god its so hard working in polish

[copper nacelle]

add one to unityengine too

[floral furnace]

hed need the core too right?

[copper nacelle]

ye

[stiff bane]

i have unity

[copper nacelle]

UnityEngine and UnityEngine.CoreModule

oh ok

[floral furnace]

since they splitted it into several dlls now

[copper nacelle]

at the top of the file you want

using Modding;
using UnityEngine;

namespace UrMum
{
    public class NotStraight: Mod

[stiff bane]

is the gay also important

[copper nacelle]

mod-specific

[floral furnace]

for 56 yes, for you whatever you want

[stiff bane]

also namspace

[floral furnace]

yes

[copper nacelle]

shut

[floral furnace]

[copper nacelle]

did object pool hook work tho

[floral furnace]

i havent tested it yet i was doing something else

testing it now

hold on let me figure out your code first

if i start posting giberish sentences that doesnt mean anything, it means it worked

[copper nacelle]

yes

[stiff bane]

why does visualstudio indent my brackets the wrong way

[copper nacelle]

*the right way

in settings you can change it tho

that's the C# convention tho

[floral furnace]

youd get used to it too awa dont worry

[stiff bane]

the brackets have to be on the same line as the names

[copper nacelle]

delet

[stiff bane]

much nicer to look at

[floral furnace]

i was a java dude back then and i was used to the brackets being in the same line as the methods

it just takes some getting used to

by putting hte brackets after the line you actually increase performance by about 15%*

• totally not made up satistics

[stiff bane]

it just looks

ugly

[copper nacelle]

that but the opposite

eeeeeeeee

why does doing this nicely break

wait i just realized it was throwing every time

which means all the code beneath that was useless

fantastic

[floral furnace]

nice

btw the fireball is inside the fireballcast fsm, so do i have to check for the childrens children?

[copper nacelle]

log the object spawn pool hook stuff first

might be in there

[floral furnace]

oh so this gets called everytime a new object is created

firing gives me Fireball(Clone)

[copper nacelle]

ye

check if it's Fireball(Clone) then change it ez

[floral furnace]

if (go.name.Contains("Fireball"))
{
Log("Fireball");

            Log("" + go.GetComponentInChildren<SetScale>().x);
            Log("" + go.GetComponentInChildren<SetScale>().y);

        }

so im trying this but this is throwing an exception, im guessing this is because the fireball object has several SetScales in them amirite?

actually only one way to find out is by testing it yet again

[copper nacelle]

doesn't it get the first otherwise

[floral furnace]

wdym

[copper nacelle]

first if there's more than 1

i thought

[copper nacelle]

[floral furnace]

well yeah im supposed to be trying to access the first setscale

[copper nacelle]

that's an fsm action tho

not a component

[floral furnace]

oh yeah

my head isnt straight right now so im mixing them up, then again when was it ever straight

[copper nacelle]

fixed the gruz thing and hp ui

[floral furnace]

nice

im assuming its one of these

oh there we go Transform local scale right?

also what was fucking up the ui and gruzz

[copper nacelle]

soul orb and hp didn't exist yet

[floral furnace]

nice

of course theres like 5 seperate things for the ui

[copper nacelle]

probably don't need the game cameras one but just in case

also need something more for vessels to work

[floral furnace]

hey so long as it works

[copper nacelle]

ye

[floral furnace]

the Todd Howard principle princi🅱le

[copper nacelle]

ok that puts me OOB

wtf

[floral furnace]

this is happening while youre just toying with the ui stuff right

[copper nacelle]

yes

[floral furnace]

[copper nacelle]

waiting an extra frame fixed it kinda

really love the ui in this game

[compact sedge]

looks normal to me

[copper nacelle]

ah fuck it made me cease existing again

[floral furnace]

working as intended™

also 56 tried it, still has random 1 scaled fireballs

[copper nacelle]

ahhhh

wait that's not how you clear the pool

fantastic

typeof(ObjectPool).GetField("pooledObjects", (BindingFlags) 36).SetValue(ObjectPool.instance, new Dictionary<GameObject, List<GameObject>>())

for a complete clear

[floral furnace]

jesus christ

i run this once at the start right?

[solemn rivet]

56 try writing for all the health objects to exist

[copper nacelle]

that's probably a better idea than waiting for 1

[solemn rivet]

They are concern children of the knight

Each one is a diff obj

[copper nacelle]

yea

Health 1/2/..11

[solemn rivet]

So you have to manually bind like 5-11

[copper nacelle]

they're just invisible right

when you don't actually have that much hp

[solemn rivet]

That's also probably why lifeblood is breaking binds/ascended bosses

Ye

Invis/disabled

[copper nacelle]

haha yes

literally just changed GameObject.Find("Health 1") to GameObject.Find("Health 11")

[solemn rivet]

Kek

They're probably loaded in order, as you can see them appear on screen

[compact sedge]

so that will break if thep layer only has 10 hp?

[solemn rivet]

Dunno

If it's disabled, yeah

If it's just invis, no

[compact sedge]

it wouldn't make sense to be just invis since there's health bonuses you can get

and bonfire gives you lots of health

[solemn rivet]

Yeah

But it's blue health

Cause I can't be bothered to actually work out how the health system works

While blue health is just "gib 5 blu kthxbye"

[copper nacelle]

it's just invisible iirc

cause i don't have fragile heart on rn

[stiff bane]

man

visualstudio really loves updating

[copper nacelle]

nice

why does my player cease to exist

[solemn rivet]

Cause

You're not waiting for nail to exist

[copper nacelle]

really thinks u make

[solemn rivet]

wth

I need that as a wallpaper

[floral furnace]

ok that kinda worked 56 but now i cant cast since its probably destroy the object before so whatever.
its just a problem with at the start of the save because after a while if you cast enough all of it becomes tiny sized

[solemn rivet]

After clearing the pool you need to instantiate every object

[floral furnace]

every fireball obj?

[copper nacelle]

just clear the fireball part of the pool imo

[tranquil glen]

how does debug mod respawn bosses?

[copper nacelle]

two ways

one is a pd bool

the other is setting an fsm var

however you can also do it w/ scene data iirc

i just want this to work ree

waiting in this coroutine makes me go out of bounds

is this loss

@floral furnace cs (Dictionary<GameObject, List<GameObject> typeof(ObjectPool).GetField("pooledObjects", (BindingFlags) 36).GetValue(ObjectPool.instance))[HeroController.instance.spell1prefab] = new List<GameObject>();

maybe

idk

[stiff bane]

what do i do now

how can i like

see code of the game or something

[copper nacelle]

dnSpy

[stiff bane]

excuse me

[copper nacelle]

d n S p y

pins

[solemn rivet]

Do-Not-SPY

[copper nacelle]

yes exactly

[hazy sentinel]

fsmSpy thanks

[copper nacelle]

@ nes rename when

really makes u think

[stiff bane]

so i put this in visualstudio folder

right

[copper nacelle]

what

no it's just an exe

[stiff bane]

what

[copper nacelle]

what

[stiff bane]

i downloaded the zip from github

[copper nacelle]

i mean if you want to compile it yourself be my guest

but there's a releases section for a reason

[stiff bane]

i have too low iq to use github

[copper nacelle]

the soul binding half works

agony

ui still acts weird

fantastic

[stiff bane]

the release .zip has even more files

[copper nacelle]

yes

now run the exe

the sprite animator broke

is this loss

[stiff bane]

god i feel really stupid rn

[copper nacelle]

meirl

[hazy sentinel]

but is this as stupid as dying to a torch

[stiff bane]

help im used to coding with simplified c++

[floral furnace]

again 56 huge thx for trying to help me this shit mod didnt mean to be like a "code this for me" person so sorry for that

awalys you should be able to see the HK code now

try dragging and dropping the Assembly in it

thats in the HK folder

[hazy sentinel]

can you aim in all directions in gun mod

[stiff bane]

oh so you literally drop it into the window h