archived-modding-development

[copper nacelle]

this isn't bad at all

[tranquil glen]

i have discord open on the entirety of one of my monitors at all times

[copper nacelle]

^

[tranquil glen]

it switches

[cunning lagoon]

same

[compact sedge]

is that for discord or sr.com?

[buoyant obsidian]

One monitor is discord only

[hollow pier]

^

[cunning lagoon]

well not the entirety but like half the screen

[tranquil glen]

right now its on my main monitor

[daring snow]

i'm going to buy a 3rd monitor just for #low-percent

[copper nacelle]

@compact sedge sr.com

[hollow pier]

if you have only one monitor it should be discord all the time

[copper nacelle]

you could do it fairly easily i think

[compact sedge]

ok that's totally reasonable. if it was discord that would seem kinda abnormally low

[buoyant obsidian]

If I ever get a bigger desk I'll run 3 monitors

4:3 is perfect for Discord btw

[rain cedar]

If we're checking every runner then 100/minute is like 2-3 people using the rank command

That's not great

[copper nacelle]

cache it

[compact sedge]

2 people using it every second

[buoyant obsidian]

or just don't bother, it's no big deal

[rain cedar]

Yeah ok cache then update every 5 minutes or so

[copper nacelle]

ye

[tranquil glen]

sean when you saw the -20000 , 20000 what patch was that

i want to try loading my save on it

[rain cedar]

Current

[tranquil glen]

cool

[odd jetty]

o.o

[tranquil glen]

what do you think would happen if i overflowed a coordinate?

[odd jetty]

Did you room dupe in current patch?

[tranquil glen]

no

can you?

[odd jetty]

He said he tested in current patch

[cunning lagoon]

[tranquil glen]

no he just looked at code for current patch

[odd jetty]

oh

[tranquil glen]

wait i should probably have debug mod so i can see whats happening at all

thats updated for gm now right?

[hollow pier]

tbh got to climb once and died but only did like 5 tries

[odd jetty]

Why the hell ain't you using debug mod?

[tranquil glen]

because i never installed it on current patch

why would i have it for casual play

[cunning lagoon]

climb is actually pretty tough on absrad

[cunning lagoon]

but after that you pretty much win

[hollow pier]

no i died as climb started

[daring snow]

just float

[hollow pier]

cause i dashed into a platform as big beam guy was coming

[daring snow]

[cunning lagoon]

yeah you got past the hard part

[hollow pier]

also the beam is hella weird

[cunning lagoon]

damn thats a lot of complaining

[hollow pier]

you dash way earlier than regrad

[cunning lagoon]

wdym

[hollow pier]

either that or i just dont fight rad enough

or the beams just faster

[cunning lagoon]

i believe the beam is the same speed as rad

[tranquil glen]

lol hell yeah

[hollow pier]

i dont remember dashing as early as i do on absrad beam

[cunning lagoon]

i might be misremembering tbh i havent fought regrad in a while

[tranquil glen]

it put me at -20000 , 20000 when i loaded in

[hexed swan]

complaining about absrad 2k18

[tranquil glen]

I think i have float and airwalk?

but i can't see

cause i didn't install debug i'm just using info program

and the follow cam isn't working

what would it even overflow at btw?

[hollow pier]

when it reaches the rim

[rain cedar]

Vector2 x/y are floats

So actually I don't think they technically can overflow

[copper nacelle]

E+38

[rain cedar]

They would just reach infinity

"""infinity"""

[tranquil glen]

i'm at - 100000 now

still speeding up

[copper nacelle]

340282346638528859811704183484516925440

[hollow pier]

is this sm64

[copper nacelle]

according to some random post

[compact sedge]

infinitity and negative infinity are my favorite numbers but before you hit them you'll hit the point at which epsilon is so large that your value gets stuck because float rounding.

[compact sedge]

unless it rounds randomly

[tranquil glen]

so wait what are things that could happen here?

anything fun?

[rain cedar]

If it gets to infinity idk

[compact sedge]

If I ever wanna make money modding HK I need to make porn mods like infinitity grimm.

[rain cedar]

That's not really a number but I think you can mostly treat it as a number

[tranquil glen]

at what point will it consider it infinity?

[odd jetty]

infinitity grim

no

[rain cedar]

The number 56 said

[tranquil glen]

ok

guess i'll be waiting for a while then

[compact sedge]

it probably will run into float rounding before then tho

[odd jetty]

At least HK is 32 bit

[tranquil glen]

if i'm inv dropping my speed increases forvever right?

[copper nacelle]

on linux isn't it 64 bit or something

[tranquil glen]

also just realized i'm inv dropping on current patch

wonder how that happened

[compact sedge]

yes it's 64 bit but it's still using 32 bit floats

[rain cedar]

Maybe 56 snuck qol into debug

[young walrus]

open inv before you're in the air

or before game thinks you're in the air

[tranquil glen]

i don't have debug sean

yeah it must've thought i was on ground

[rain cedar]

Pretty sure it's just opening inventory on the same physics frame as you start falling

[hollow pier]

does dnail drop return to normal speed

[rain cedar]

Yes it should after dream nail animation stops

[tranquil glen]

i'm at -1.5 million now

[rain cedar]

Wow getting pretty close

Just a couple months now

[tranquil glen]

lol

[hollow pier]

this is sm64 huh

[tranquil glen]

but i am still speeding up right?

[compact sedge]

well there's a good sm64 video about floats

[tranquil glen]

i could do some math and figure out how long it will take

[compact sedge]

and why you probably can't hit infinity

[candid grail]

are there descriptors for mods posted somewhere?

[compact sedge]

short descriptions pinned in #archived-modding-help. Full descriptions come in readmes with mods which can be read with the modinstaller

[copper nacelle]

#archived-modding-help pins

[candid grail]

ah. I was looking in pins. But thanks, I'll investigate the readmes.

[tranquil glen]

like whats my acceleration here? is it -8 u/s/s or something?

[rain cedar]

Idk it's not handled in HeroController I think

[copper nacelle]

fsm falling

stay woke

[rain cedar]

There's this but it doesn't actually decrease rb2d.velocity.y anywhere

I think they use gravityScale and let Unity handle it via whatever magic shit

But that's also set via magic editor garbage

[copper nacelle]

agony

[tranquil glen]

on the other hand i could just use a mod to teleport me there

just to see what would happen

[copper nacelle]

thanks unity

[cunning lagoon]

no problem

[copper nacelle]

going into #hk-discussion remains a mistake

[cunning lagoon]

absolutely

i regret everything

[copper nacelle]

might make a pure vessel buff mod today or tomorrow

have some ideas

[cunning lagoon]

dont you have a certain pantheon to beat

[copper nacelle]

yes

but i looked into the boss stuff and ik how to change some stuff now

[compact sedge]

so do I shit

thanks for reminding me

[solemn rivet]

I vote 56 as our #hk-discussion rep

[cunning lagoon]

hey no problem

have fun

[copper nacelle]

any tips on abs rad tbh

the pogo on balls is good for first phase

[fair rampart]

i still can't beat pv alone buff it lmao

[cunning lagoon]

yeah its fine keep in mind that they dont despawn when they are offscreen

[solemn rivet]

U know what would really piss people off? Buffing absrad

[cunning lagoon]

so kinda keep track of them even if you dont see them

[copper nacelle]

i will do that

once i radiant absrad

[fair rampart]

well technically I've killed it 6 times or so but I want to have it perfect before I try the pantheon version

[copper nacelle]

i'll buff it

[marble scarab]

yeah but buffing absrad would just be a dick move

[copper nacelle]

nah

[solemn rivet]

Nah

[marble scarab]

w h a t

[copper nacelle]

how would that be a dick move

[marble scarab]

people already think its hellish

[copper nacelle]

and people are dumb

[cunning lagoon]

for the nail circle you do basically the same as normal rad except twice

[solemn rivet]

It's their problem not mine

[copper nacelle]

people think the totf is hellish

[marble scarab]

imo itd make it too hard depending on how big of a buff it would get

[copper nacelle]

listening to people is a mistake

[fair rampart]

nail circle but the nails are other radiances

[cunning lagoon]

and for horizontal nail walls and light curtains, get through them as soon as possible, otherwise she'll overlap attacks and hit you

[solemn rivet]

Is there such a thing as "too hard"?

[marble scarab]

yes

[vagrant leaf]

ngg

[copper nacelle]

how do you dodge nail circles on platforms

[solemn rivet]

Dlk did ngg

[leaden hedge]

darkmod ngg is too hard

[marble scarab]

lemme list an example

[copper nacelle]

inb4 absrad

[marble scarab]

supreme calamitas from calamity mod

GOD FUCK FUCK SHIT I HATE CALAMITY SO FUCKING MUCH

[solemn rivet]

Yeah darkmod ngg, ok

[vagrant leaf]

darkmod ngg hell mod is too hard

[fair rampart]

SCal is pretty easy if you use subsuming vortex

[cunning lagoon]

so in the platforming section, if you hear the curtain coming, don't stand still in the opposite side of the map (like weyu did, and it's one of the clips people claim is unfair)

[marble scarab]

no, no not really

[fair rampart]

subtex does a bazillion dps

[marble scarab]

what about the hit cap what about the fucking bullet hell

[cunning lagoon]

and yeah thats about it

[copper nacelle]

ok thanks

[marble scarab]

what about the part where theres so much stuff going on that you can barely dodge

[copper nacelle]

i'll practice the fight tonight if i get time and tomorrow if i don't

[cunning lagoon]

lead the fireballs into the floor so they break but keep in mind that they go through it for like ~1-2 seconds after they spawn

[fair rampart]

just gotta practice and learn, I can down her reliably

[leaden hedge]

what about gud git

have you tried that

[marble scarab]

also doesnt scal take AT LEAST 4 minutes every time?

[fair rampart]

took me a week or so though

[copper nacelle]

wow 4 minutes

so terrible

[vagrant leaf]

attempt gut gid

[marble scarab]

like

EVERY single time you fight her

no matter what weapon

[cunning lagoon]

yeah it's a long fight

[vagrant leaf]

wow guys this is soem great hollow knight modding

[fair rampart]

practice, practice, practice

[marble scarab]

there is no practicing

[cunning lagoon]

she has 4 or 5 sections where she goes invulnerable for like 15 seconds

[fair rampart]

🔫

[vagrant leaf]

can't wait for Hollow Knight: Scal Mod

[marble scarab]

just because leviathan nohitted it doesnt mean its fair

[hollow pier]

kuro plays terraria too

[marble scarab]

its still an awful, bullshit hellhole of a boss

[cunning lagoon]

it is actually a surprisingly fair boss

[leaden hedge]

nah ur bad

stop cry

[vagrant leaf]

it just game, why u have to be mad??

[marble scarab]

have you ever seen that boss

[fair rampart]

[cunning lagoon]

dont call it bullshit if you havent played it, and you clearly havent

[copper nacelle]

wow i should actually try calamity

[marble scarab]

ive fought scal

[vagrant leaf]

@copper nacelle no

[cunning lagoon]

oh then just get good

[fair rampart]

calamity is fun as mage

[leaden hedge]

no I dont play mods with bad bosses

[marble scarab]

"GET GOOD"

[leaden hedge]

I only play ngg

[vagrant leaf]

if u play calamity stream it tbh

[hollow pier]

calamity is free

[marble scarab]

doesnt scal not allow soul of the universe

or soul of terraria

[copper nacelle]

how hard is it

[vagrant leaf]

14

[cunning lagoon]

very hard

[marble scarab]

really hard

[hollow pier]

i made pixelart while fighting leviathan stay woke

[leaden hedge]

4/20

[copper nacelle]

in comparison to like hk bosses

[marble scarab]

too hard

[cunning lagoon]

she's the absrad of terraria

[copper nacelle]

nice

[marble scarab]

too hard

wait

this is modding?

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

[vagrant leaf]

yes bitch

[marble scarab]

thought i was in #hk-discussion but oh well

[vagrant leaf]

consider

[hollow pier]

wow tos banana

[marble scarab]

anyways i hate scal

[leaden hedge]

i thought this was general

[cunning lagoon]

yeah so do i

dont get me wr ong

[vagrant leaf]

wow i can't wait for hollow knight scal mod

[hollow pier]

wr ong

[cunning lagoon]

but shes not unfair

[leaden hedge]

thats where terraria is

[marble scarab]

kdt

nobody talks about terraria anymore

[leaden hedge]

terraria shit

that why

[hollow pier]

minecraft god

[marble scarab]

kdt mods shit

[leaden hedge]

ye

they bad

its why I quit

[vagrant leaf]

kdt update boss rush

[fair rampart]

i thought this was an avocado

[hollow pier]

pdt is unironically a very good mod

[marble scarab]

anyways where was i

oh yeah scal is unfair

[fair rampart]

I made a few terraria mods when I played it a lot

[marble scarab]

did scal even change in the past like

[fair rampart]

the main one was called Thaumaturgy

[marble scarab]

few months? maybe

[cunning lagoon]

she got a few big changes yeah

[marble scarab]

like what

[leaden hedge]

i need to make absrad spawn adds, and when you kill the adds they should spawn permanent 1 hit hazards

[cunning lagoon]

the projectiles are significantly slower

[marble scarab]

no

make her spawn ads

[cunning lagoon]

so it's very easy to react to them and such

also she telegraphs her dashes or something?

i havent played in a while

[leaden hedge]

spawn aim down sights 🤔

[tranquil glen]

i hit -10,000,000

[marble scarab]

whenever you hit absrad an ad appears

[tranquil glen]

i don't know why i'm still going tbh

[hollow pier]

why dont bosses spawn 1m unskippable ads

no damage until theyre over

[leaden hedge]

why don't bosses just have infinite hp

[marble scarab]

no

[leaden hedge]

then they can't lose 🤔

[marble scarab]

why dont bosses just have infinite ads

[leaden hedge]

why do they always do the one attack that lets you damage them

[hollow pier]

why doesnt gittle just leave modding

[copper nacelle]

float.POSITIVE_INFINITY - 1

[marble scarab]

every time youre close to killing a boss it spawns infinite ads

[leaden hedge]

they should just never take damage 🤔

smh

[marble scarab]

no

[compact sedge]

wtf why is tizo here @solemn rivet

[vagrant leaf]

wow tc if you're trying to make a tough boss why make them killable in the first place smh

[cunning lagoon]

is that flukemarm

[copper nacelle]

stop no spoil

[hollow pier]

tizo

[vagrant leaf]

kdt gets it

[compact sedge]

nice

[marble scarab]

i mean true

[copper nacelle]

did you see "mawlek"

[marble scarab]

if you wanna make a tough boss, it should be unbeatable

[copper nacelle]

[vagrant leaf]

"mawlek"

[compact sedge]

wait that's it

[copper nacelle]

yes

[solemn rivet]

Nice

[compact sedge]

wow he's not even any harder

[solemn rivet]

Yes

One of us

[vagrant leaf]

the final boss is when tiso and mawlek fuses and explode void thing

[compact sedge]

hmmm

[vagrant leaf]

trust me it real

[leaden hedge]

everytime you kill a boss it should just respawn you back in the boss arena with the boss alive tbqh

[solemn rivet]

Shhh spoiler banan

[leaden hedge]

so you never get anywhere

[marble scarab]

right before you kill mawlek, it eats tiso and then jumps away

[hollow pier]

the final boss is subject verb agreement

[leaden hedge]

the final boss is ur mum

GotEm

[marble scarab]

just before void god kills absrad, mawlek kills absrad and void god and becomes BROODING TISO

[solemn rivet]

anyway, AA

56 and I were talking about adding Tiso as an actual fight

help

[marble scarab]

dont

easy

[solemn rivet]

you'll love this

[leaden hedge]

does tiso even have enough sprites 🤔

[marble scarab]

make it so tiso shoots lasers out of his eyes

[hollow pier]

just make the sprite move without an actual sprite

[copper nacelle]

yes

[leaden hedge]

wow

[marble scarab]

yes

[copper nacelle]

exactly

[compact sedge]

sounds like a fun time. I love all the modding collaboration!

[leaden hedge]

amaze

[solemn rivet]

KDT no, so we'll exploit papers' goodwill

[marble scarab]

its just a picture of tiso moving

[leaden hedge]

good luck with that

[compact sedge]

papers and I are doing a large mod actually pretty soon.

[solemn rivet]

nice

kdt it'll prolly never come to fruition

but I can't just ignore Tiso

[compact sedge]

probably not ours either

but I can try

[solemn rivet]

yup

[fair rampart]

aha

visual studio is almost finished

soon..... my reign of terror shall begin.........................

[solemn rivet]

what u plan on modding my dude

[leaden hedge]

mods

[fair rampart]

tru

but uhh

[solemn rivet]

[fair rampart]

mainly what I wanted to do is try to introduce the whole glorification mechanic through a mod

[solemn rivet]

and by that you mean...?

[fair rampart]

upgrading existing charms through certain actions

[solemn rivet]

oh

yeah, many people have suggested that in the past

[fair rampart]

i.e. explore every area and talk to mr. charm glorifier to get a compass that updates your map as you move

[solemn rivet]

kerr started a list of changes

so, take a look at Charming

[fair rampart]

I read into that a lil the other day

[compact sedge]

I made a mod like that

it was really fun

but it was only one charm

[solemn rivet]

kerr added Heavy Blow (concept and implementation), seanpr added Compass and Swarm (my ideas tho)

yeah

many people have though about adding/upgrading/changing charms

[copper nacelle]

all i do is bosses

and random stuff

[compact sedge]

basically you did well in infinite grimm and unlocked a stronger version of grimmchild

[solemn rivet]

graig even said he has some nice ideas for that

[hollow pier]

and die to markoth

[fair rampart]

I had a small document on my google docs containing some ideas of my own

[copper nacelle]

ur mum dies to markoth

[hollow pier]

no shes beaten it radiant

[fair rampart]

• I did some art yesterday for glorified versions

[cunning lagoon]

no i think its you who dies to markoth

[solemn rivet]

yeah, I saw your art

real good!

[fair rampart]

eh, I think it's so/so

certainly not awful though

[solemn rivet]

it's better than mine m8

that's enough for me

[fair rampart]

some of them are just blatant palette swaps

[solemn rivet]

[fair rampart]

ala this

this is probably the worst

[compact sedge]

wow I love when my steam controller stops working in the middle of panth 5 so I have to start over

[fair rampart]

but given I'm best at coding and not making art I think it's passable

[copper nacelle]

give the good one

the kingsoul one

[copper nacelle]

yes

[candid grail]

phew okay, this stuff could help my sad self get through the remainder. Neat.

[fair rampart]

those two are the glorified versions of FotF

I might just use the 2nd one though if it proves too difficult to have alternates

functionally identical but with different sprites depending on if you find the guy with kingsoul equipped or void heart equipped

ideally anyway

[candid grail]

hm... is there a mod that does niftier charm interactions

or did I just send a half-dozen know-hows scrabbling to their notepads to jot down "neat new mod idea stolen from affable loser..." 😉

[fair rampart]

lots of ideas for them but none done yet iirc

[cunning lagoon]

those are some good looking charms

[solemn rivet]

^

[rain cedar]

Yes because "niftier charm interactions" is a very good idea that's super well thought out and worth stealing

[fair rampart]

here are all the ones I've done

least favorite one is probably dashmaster

most favorite is the shade version of FotF

[solemn rivet]

gold sans

[copper nacelle]

kingsoul fotf imo

[fair rampart]

heck u pal

[solemn rivet]

make a Niko charm imo

[cunning lagoon]

kingsoul fotf is my fav aswell

[fair rampart]

I think kingsoul soul can do with less soft outlines on the eyes

[solemn rivet]

56 y u h btw

[fair rampart]

alrighty, I now have visual studio, the API, etc

and no idea what to do from here

[copper nacelle]

cause hhhhhhhh

[solemn rivet]

get dnspy

[fair rampart]

I have dnspy

[copper nacelle]

they have dnspy

[solemn rivet]

also check the mod examples

[fair rampart]

oh dear

[copper nacelle]

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/tree/master/ExampleMods/Source

[fair rampart]

I haven't even changed anything

[solemn rivet]

add refs

[rain cedar]

You need unity refs yeah

[fair rampart]

I have very little experience with c# and no idea what that means

I do have unity installed I think?

ye I do

[rain cedar]

Add references to it

[fair rampart]

to google

[rain cedar]

Please no my eyes

[solemn rivet]

eww

[copper nacelle]

sorry i don't have vs installed

had to google it

[fair rampart]

I wanted to use codeblocks but it wasn't compatible

[solemn rivet]

add all () dlls in Managed as references

it's guaranteed to compile at least

[compact sedge]

ech

[solemn rivet]

then they can start removing useless ones

[fair rampart]

hm

[compact sedge]

can't VS tell you which ones you need or only rider?

[tranquil glen]

HeroController.instance.gameObject.transform.position.x = float.PositiveInfinity - 10; whats wrong with this?

[fair rampart]

apparently the references are already there, and I have the right files placed, but it doesn't seem to be picking them up

[copper nacelle]

is positive infinity actually a number

do MaxValue

or MAX_VALUE

or whatever

[compact sedge]

all operations to infinity values with floats return infinity

[copper nacelle]

nice

float.MaxValue - 10

[tranquil glen]

yeah its saying cannot modify the return value of transform.position is the issue

[copper nacelle]

yeah you can't do that

[tranquil glen]

ok so what do

[compact sedge]

float.MaxValue is either infinity or the one right below infinity

[copper nacelle]

gameObject.transform.SetPositionX(float.MaxValue - 10);

[compact sedge]

MaxValue - 10 = MaxValue because rounding tho

[copper nacelle]

eeech

[candid grail]

hah I was cracking wise, but also thinking in terms of how some Metroid gun combinations would have unexpected but cool additional side effects

whoops, discord didn't scroll. Sorry.

[solemn rivet]

how

explain

which weapon combos

btw

were there any issues with the installer while I was gone?

I think I remember reading someone complaining about something

on another note

@copper nacelle @compact sedge

[copper nacelle]

wtf

[compact sedge]

is that our team or the installer

[candid grail]

charge + spazer creating waves of orbiting lasers, by example

[solemn rivet]

installer

[compact sedge]

holy crap

did we pass lightbringer

[copper nacelle]

i should put the installer on reddit

[compact sedge]

pls say yes

[solemn rivet]

team :

[compact sedge]

link to the moddb

[solemn rivet]

wtf

[copper nacelle]

ye

[solemn rivet]

what have we done?

[copper nacelle]

page 4

ez

49 downloads

[cunning lagoon]

nice

[copper nacelle]

and we're the 2nd latest mod

apparently

[tranquil glen]

damn it does nothing when i press the button

[solemn rivet]

56 get that free karma

[compact sedge]

this is dank af

[solemn rivet]

Xhuis what exactly u trying to do?

[fair rampart]

make the modding API actually build

[compact sedge]

the modding api you have is for pre godmaster

clone either mine or 56s

I think mine is slightly more up to date

[solemn rivet]

building the api is pain tbh

[compact sedge]

and build that

[solemn rivet]

you need to copy the whole managed folder into Vanilla

[compact sedge]

I need to squash my commits and send a PR to sean's modding api actually

I'll do it after I do my trial 5 attempt

[solemn rivet]

how do you like TISO

[compact sedge]

amazing

[solemn rivet]

I was so happy when I saw him

[fair rampart]

yeah, I did copy the managed folder

[solemn rivet]

and then Mawlek was like nope

and I lost it

[compact sedge]

why is crystal guardian like the easiest boss to do radiant?

[solemn rivet]

cause he's just easy af

[rain cedar]

Because he's an easy boss

[compact sedge]

he has like 2 attacks and if you get good rng you don't even need to try to dodge either

[solemn rivet]

it's like asking why mmc is easy rad

Xhuis maybe you have the wrong ver

try doing what AA suggested

[compact sedge]

no but really wtf why are gruz mother and vengefly harder bosses in panth 5

[fair rampart]

I'll try the first one linked to me

[compact sedge]

do mine it's more commits ahead so it must be newer

anyway we both have the same code since I accepted like all the PRs from 56

[fair rampart]

good old fork hell

[compact sedge]

actually @copper nacelle can you git diff the two and tell me what is different in mine?

(also mine is the one on the installer)

[fair rampart]

installer?

[solemn rivet]

yeah, there's that

oh boi

haven't you heard the news

[fair rampart]

I was most likely replacing my bandages

[solemn rivet]

jk

[fair rampart]

the cuts reopened when I tried to use a styptic pen to seal them

[solemn rivet]

I made an installer a few months ago

also

how did u cut urself?

[fair rampart]

I work at a restaurant and and I slipped while cleaning a tomato slicer

[solemn rivet]

yikes

[fair rampart]

started bleeding profusely from two fingers so

still kinda slightly shocked about it even though it was a minor thing

you could follow the blood droplets from where I was to where I ran to

[solemn rivet]

I once broke a porcelain plate while washing it. Almost lost my left thumb

[compact sedge]

owwwww

[solemn rivet]

thank god I only have a minor scar to show

[fair rampart]

I figured it was probably just a minor gash so I ran it under the water and then started to move again and then my finger was immediately covered in blood again

[solemn rivet]

yeesh

[fair rampart]

so I thought "that can't be right" and ran it again, then pulled it out and saw it immediately start bleeding the second I pulled out

so I just grabbed a paper towel, pressured it, and ran for the first aid cabinet

[solemn rivet]

did you need stitches or smth?

[fair rampart]

nah, it was just the tip of my finger so it seemed not

my mind is probably also overdramaticizing it

in all truth I just cut my fingers real bad

[solemn rivet]

tomato slicers can be pretty dicey (kek)

[compact sedge]

you know what's sad. I'm actually amazed I did sisters of battle first try

[cunning lagoon]

nice!

[solemn rivet]

rad?

[compact sedge]

that's just how bad I am at mantis lords

[solemn rivet]

oh panth5

[cunning lagoon]

they are really fun

[fair rampart]

alrighty, I just stole that other API and it compiled

[solemn rivet]

nice

[fair rampart]

copying other people's code remains the best solution ;')

[solemn rivet]

sisters remains my fav fight from this mod

pv is high up there too

and I like Sheo

[cunning lagoon]

i honestly cant choose

sly pv or sisters

[solemn rivet]

sisters is just so good to do rad

[buoyant obsidian]

note to self boys

[solemn rivet]

I honestly love and hate sly

[buoyant obsidian]

don't build a minion build

they're pointlessly weak

[solemn rivet]

I love his first phase

parry for days

[cunning lagoon]

but they cute

[buoyant obsidian]

also dreamshield

whose idea was 3 notches

fired

[solemn rivet]

inb4 dlk does panth5 will full minions build

[copper nacelle]

@compact sedge u

[cunning lagoon]

[buoyant obsidian]

it's super time consuming to get any damage done

took me like 50 minutes for panth 3

[compact sedge]

just finished sheo. how far am I

[buoyant obsidian]

and that was just the first phase

[warped sinew]

Someone please do a meme panth5

[solemn rivet]

2/5

[buoyant obsidian]

didn't even make it to the 2nd

[compact sedge]

wel

p

[solemn rivet]

graig

[hollow pier]

why is it sly > horn2 btw

[cunning lagoon]

you are roughly halfway through

[copper nacelle]

you have the texture stuff

[solemn rivet]

didn't you say you had ideas for glorifying charms?

[copper nacelle]

not much difference

[warped sinew]

Don't diss my boi sly

Oh you wanna make a glorify charm mod?

That would actually be pretty funny to do

[solemn rivet]

well, not me per se, but some people have shown interest

[buoyant obsidian]

Glorifying could've just been making it cost one less notch

[solemn rivet]

Xhuis for one

[fair rampart]

aaaaaaaaallrighty, I have the API compiled and all the tools I need

so all the ingredients to bake a cake, with no directions to do it

no idea how to do anything from here but I can fumble

[solemn rivet]

read the cake

let the cake flow throught you

be the cake

you are the cake

[fair rampart]

no documentation seems to be around either

[solemn rivet]

the documentation is in our hearts and minds

[compact sedge]

hey graig. I think next week I should be roughly done with my combos mod designed for GM. rn it works really well in non-GM areas but I am gonna need to basically make it not deplete whenever GM bosses are screaming.

[copper nacelle]

kdt docs

tbh

[fair rampart]

I guess I should probably get the mod installer as well

[copper nacelle]

https://github.com/KayDeeTee/HK-Modding-API-Docs

highly recommended

[fair rampart]

heyyy

[solemn rivet]

also Graig - do you happen to know who mantains the HK/TC twitter acc?

[compact sedge]

and they're ogne

[copper nacelle]

graig machine broke

[fair rampart]

hmm

now that I think about it, I'm not sure there's a feasible way to actually test the mods

[solemn rivet]

wdym

[fair rampart]

if I made X mod and it builds fine, I have no way to go into the game and make sure it works as intended without risking one of my saves

[solemn rivet]

wait, is that docs actually done?

[fair rampart]

theoretically

[solemn rivet]

like, at all?

[copper nacelle]

yes

it's pretty good

actually

[solemn rivet]

nice

[copper nacelle]

@fair rampart just clone ur save

hhhhhh

[solemn rivet]

^

[cunning lagoon]

who cares about saves after your first playthrough

[solemn rivet]

also, what's the value of a save anyway

what dlk said

[copper nacelle]

idk i like this gm save

[fair rampart]

me :c

[copper nacelle]

cause it has the godmaster statues

and i'm not done yet

once i'm done i won't care

[cunning lagoon]

well yeah because having a save with every boss radiant is cool and all

[solemn rivet]

yeah, I have two saves I care about

[fair rampart]

I wanna hold onto my steel soul save I got steel heart with

[cunning lagoon]

and its new

[solemn rivet]

the other ones idgaf

[cunning lagoon]

but apart from that theres not much difference between saves

its not like terraria where each world is insanely different

[solemn rivet]

one is the save I used to hack through gog-early release

[fair rampart]

lmao, I gotta say

[solemn rivet]

and the other I'm using to play rn

[fair rampart]

as far as modding communities go this one seems to be quite a gem in the lots I've perused

[solemn rivet]

wdym

[cunning lagoon]

yeah we are the best

thank

[fair rampart]

tons of documentation and people trying to help each other out compared to "lol just learn it the hard way like we did"

[solemn rivet]

I like how dlk is a modder

[copper nacelle]

yes

[solemn rivet]

I fully support this btw

[copper nacelle]

dlk hk mod when

[solemn rivet]

one of us, and all that

[copper nacelle]

i wanna see dlk buff a boss

[cunning lagoon]

ill make the "nkg chases you through hallownest" mod

[copper nacelle]

tbh

[leaden hedge]

lol learn everything the hard way

[fair rampart]

lmao that

[solemn rivet]

heh

[fair rampart]

is actually a really neat idea

[buoyant obsidian]

learn everything the hard way guy left

[solemn rivet]

kdt don't

[fair rampart]

a 1-notch charm that gives you higher health, damage, soul gain, etc

[cunning lagoon]

i have no idea about coding but it sounds like absolute pain

[fair rampart]

but every second has a 0.5% chance to spawn NKG on top of you

including in boss fights

[leaden hedge]

fkn noobs coming in here thinking they can just have mods ez pz

[cunning lagoon]

the divekick bugs out on the normal arena, let alone on every other room in the game

[fair rampart]

beat NKG to permanently remove the spawns

[leaden hedge]

back in my day we had to walk 6 hours up hill in the snow to get to dnspy and back

[solemn rivet]

kids nowadays smh

fkn millenials

[cunning lagoon]

i might buff a boss

any suggestions?

[solemn rivet]

uhhh

[copper nacelle]

markoth

[cunning lagoon]

this ngg guy seems really easy

[solemn rivet]

don't look at mawlek boi

[cunning lagoon]

lets add a 3rd nkg

[solemn rivet]

he's mine

[leaden hedge]

crawlid

[copper nacelle]

sly

sheo

[leaden hedge]

iselda

[buoyant obsidian]

bush

[solemn rivet]

make an all brothers fight

[leaden hedge]

buff elderbug

[solemn rivet]

followed by the sisters fight

[copper nacelle]

massive moss charger but he's harder than nkg

[hexed swan]

all brothers sounds like pain

[cunning lagoon]

imma buff the fuck out of flukemarm

[warped sinew]

No idea who does the twitter

[cunning lagoon]

she spawns 4 adds and they have 5 0 health

[warped sinew]

Why's that?

[hexed swan]

flukemarm but she spawns flukemungas

[warped sinew]

Its probably Leth?

[fair rampart]

flukemarm but she spawns marmus

[solemn rivet]

because earlier today they tweeted about mods on the moddb, but all mods there were outdated

[cunning lagoon]

what do you think about a soul tyrant buff

[copper nacelle]

yes

[hexed swan]

flukemarmu

[buoyant obsidian]

link tweet

[fair rampart]

[solemn rivet]

and we wanted to let them know

[copper nacelle]

soul tyrant is hard to mod according to angle or something

idk what was with it

[cunning lagoon]

so perhaps not good for beginners

[compact sedge]

tell your twitter person the only non-outdated mod on the moddb is the modinstaller and it was only added today by gradow

[solemn rivet]

^

[cunning lagoon]

no one has buffed any dream warriors right

that could be cool

[solemn rivet]

yeah, we decided to add it there in response to that tweet tbh

[copper nacelle]

yes

[cunning lagoon]

marmu but there's 2

[copper nacelle]

buff markoth

[hexed swan]

buff markoth

[solemn rivet]

no marmu

[warped sinew]

@random wagon apparently the TC tweet today about mods points to outdated ones, might want to edit it

[buoyant obsidian]

Dream Warrior with radiant abiltiies would be neat

[solemn rivet]

bad dlk

[cunning lagoon]

i know

[leaden hedge]

it was a retweet from moddb

[cunning lagoon]

ill make gorb into a bullet hell fight

[leaden hedge]

who probably just wanted views because of godmaster

[hexed swan]

gorb with radiance's side sword attack

[leaden hedge]

without actually checking that people actually use moddb for mods

[compact sedge]

ye moddb just tryin to cash in

tbh

[solemn rivet]

yeah

[fair rampart]

yeet

[copper nacelle]

h

[solemn rivet]

so we turned the table on them and now we cashing in on them

[cunning lagoon]

ok i got dibs on Gorb

Godb

[fair rampart]

can we make a mod that adds a charm that makes the knight permanently tposed

[solemn rivet]

GorD

[fair rampart]

and during the end sequence with radiance instead of being a shade his eyes just have lens flares

[buoyant obsidian]

link the reddit thread so we can upvote

[solemn rivet]

^

also, dlk

[copper nacelle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/9avbi9/the_hollow_knight_modinstaller_is_now_on_moddb/

[cunning lagoon]

i'd buff rad but people are already bitchy enough about absrad so i'll leave that be

[solemn rivet]

not kidding about that elder hu suggestion I said earlier today

[cunning lagoon]

for now

[buoyant obsidian]

banned for vote manipulation

[solemn rivet]

spam bells like there's no tomorrow

[warped sinew]

Make a mod that gives you PVs sweetass cape/armour

[solemn rivet]

ooooh

[copper nacelle]

that involves art

i can't art

[solemn rivet]

graig know's whats up

[leaden hedge]

art involves effort

[cunning lagoon]

actually elder hu sounds more interesting than gorb

[solemn rivet]

we have papers and xhuis

[buoyant obsidian]

art is a ton of effort

[cunning lagoon]

Elder God

[solemn rivet]

they art good

[cunning lagoon]

[fair rampart]

lmao I do not art good

I palette swap with pdn

[leaden hedge]

and shitpos quality is inversely propotional to effory inserted

[fair rampart]

and add fancy outline effects

[copper nacelle]

still looks good

[fair rampart]

like, for instance, this

[cunning lagoon]

ybham6

[hexed swan]

good enough tbh

[copper nacelle]

yes

[fair rampart]

all I did is make the actual body really dark, then cut out the eyes and made them full white

[solemn rivet]

still art good

[fair rampart]

then outlined them with translucent white

[copper nacelle]

i should swap my nicks to fiftysix on everything

but like

effort

[leaden hedge]

whens stickman main character

[fair rampart]

I always thought cosmetics for the PC would be really cool

like if you completed the ritual and your character looked troupey

or path of pain and you could have a spear through your fucking skull

and tears

and a scythe from a kingsmould sticking out of your chest

[buoyant obsidian]

and you could be on fire with a lightning trail

[fair rampart]

beat radiance without taking damage and you get tpose knight

[warped sinew]

Need a mod to increase grimmchilds voice much louder

[cunning lagoon]

^

[fair rampart]

how about one that mutes salubra instead

[cunning lagoon]

and make his aim worse

[copper nacelle]

@fair rampart QoL already does that

hhhhhhhhhh

[solemn rivet]

Xhuis - that is the infinite karma mod

[fair rampart]

nice

[solemn rivet]

oh shit

[buoyant obsidian]

need a mod to bring back loud as all fuck Dreamshield

[warped sinew]

Haha make him shoot primal aspids... That fight you

[copper nacelle]

fuck i'm commenting that on the modinstaller post

easy qol downloads

[fair rampart]

maybe do something like the alien hornets from terraria

primal aspids that shoot aspid hatchlings

the hatchlings after a few seconds become normal aspids

[hexed swan]

oh god no

[fair rampart]

which after a few seconds become primal aspids

[solemn rivet]

tbh buff Collector

[hexed swan]

don't do that

[solemn rivet]

make it spawn other collectors

[buoyant obsidian]

pls don't buff Collector

[fair rampart]

radiance but every sword circle is a collector

[hexed swan]

funny prank make collector spawn primal aspids

oh

oh wait

[solemn rivet]

[fair rampart]

rly makes u think

[leaden hedge]

make collector spawn primal aspids that shoot homing orbs

[solemn rivet]

primal aspids that shoot absrads

[fair rampart]

only if they leave trails of fire like nkg's dash

[warped sinew]

Homing orbs that have broken hit boxes and randomly teleport... Oh wait

[cunning lagoon]

[solemn rivet]

I love how modding has turned into discussion today

[cunning lagoon]

isnt it always discussion but civil

[hexed swan]

tbf

no one wants to be in discussion

[solemn rivet]

discussion but #297468195026239489

[warped sinew]

This is cancer free discussion

[leaden hedge]

discussion is filled with DAE think weaversong best charm

and

[cunning lagoon]

lore

[buoyant obsidian]

Weaversong doesn't do damage right

it just highlights enemies white for a frame

I've seen the code for it

[leaden hedge]

it does some damage

[solemn rivet]

it does like 2 damage per hit

[leaden hedge]

its 3

[solemn rivet]

and it hits like once per day

[fair rampart]

I used weaversong + grubsong for my first PV attempts and had infinite soul forever

but I suck so I died anyway

[warped sinew]

Hi guys I think hornet is void - repeat for ten years

[leaden hedge]

hornet is thicc

[fair rampart]

playable void hornet that flies through walls and screams at things

[copper nacelle]

i had my nick set as hornet is void and i just said a blank message in #hk-discussion

[fair rampart]

tc get on it

[leaden hedge]

i've seen art

[young walrus]

your opinion is void

[copper nacelle]

2 people pinged me and said change ur nick

[cunning lagoon]

its 50% hornet is void 50% absrad is a slot machine

[fair rampart]

[leaden hedge]

my opinion is voic FeelsBadMan

[compact sedge]

status update, just did hornet 2 in panth 5

[fair rampart]

we need a hornet bot that shouts random gibberish in discussion every 10 minutes

[compact sedge]

am I 3/5?

[fair rampart]

"GARAMA"

"HAAAAAH"

"GAYAAA-LEH"

[cunning lagoon]

you are almost done

[compact sedge]

also flying nosk more like vengefly 2

[fair rampart]

LOUD CHUCKLE

SHAA

[solemn rivet]

vengefly2 at least looks good

[cunning lagoon]

you are like 3/4ths of the way through

[leaden hedge]

you should flip your name and add a 2 at the end @copper nacelle

[hexed swan]

if flying nosk was just gonna be vengefly why didn't they make it so there's 2 flying nosks on ascendent

smh

[fair rampart]

flying nosk that spits vengeflies instead of acid

[warped sinew]

Dammit kdt I was about to make a mewtwo joke

[leaden hedge]

unlucky

[copper nacelle]

[leaden hedge]

inb4 h2

[solemn rivet]

kdt is fastboye

[leaden hedge]

yo its mutwo

[solemn rivet]

mutorrenttwo

[warped sinew]

Yo its ya boi mewtwo don't forget to SMASH that like button and subscribe

[cunning lagoon]

[leaden hedge]

isn't µtorrent said as utorrent anyway

[fair rampart]

[cunning lagoon]

ive always said it as utorrent

[solemn rivet]

I think so, because most kb don't have easy mu

[fair rampart]

i've always said it as adware

[leaden hedge]

tixati better

[warped sinew]

So did you know that Gruz mother is said like Buzz and not ooze?

[solemn rivet]

that's how I say it

[copper nacelle]

no

delet

this

[warped sinew]

I saw some streamers saying Grooze Mother

[cunning lagoon]

excuse me what

[copper nacelle]

grooze mother

cmm

[solemn rivet]

wut

[cunning lagoon]

whomst says it like ooze

[fair rampart]

thick fly

[leaden hedge]

thats not even a valid attempt

[warped sinew]

Yeah I was like.. Wut

[solemn rivet]

who says it like that tho

I need names

[copper nacelle]

me

[leaden hedge]

no

stop lie

[cunning lagoon]

ive never heard anyone say it like that

[solemn rivet]

u don't count, 56

[copper nacelle]

wow rude

[solemn rivet]

it has to be an upstanding member of our community

[buoyant obsidian]

Gruzz Guzz Buzz Muzz

nobody can remember Gruzz Mother's name

[cunning lagoon]

56 u have to flip your pfp again

[solemn rivet]

it's still Big Fly in code tho

can I call it that?

[leaden hedge]

no

[solemn rivet]

[copper nacelle]

same

[fair rampart]

trying to compile an example mod out of the box (after adding unity references) seems to net me this

is there some other dll I need to include from the API itself?

[copper nacelle]

add a ref to the api

[cunning lagoon]

he's done it

[solemn rivet]

ref the api

[fair rampart]

the manifest?

[copper nacelle]

no the dll

[solemn rivet]

the one you built

[copper nacelle]

i just took glass soul mod and renamed it then changed everything

ez

[solemn rivet]

or the one online

[fair rampart]

@copper nacelle everything you say is enlightened
@solemn rivet one second

[solemn rivet]

tbh I always copy one of my old mods when I want to make a new one

[leaden hedge]

this is the only way to say gruz mother "グラザーママ"

[cunning lagoon]

wtf

[copper nacelle]

for like 2 or 3 mods i just copied glass souls and renamed everything

now i actually make new libraries and don't copy-paste

[leaden hedge]

if you want a reference https://translate.google.co.uk/#ja/en/グラザーママ

[solemn rivet]

mama gruzz

[fair rampart]

so uh

[solemn rivet]

u ever wonder where papa gruzz is?

[fair rampart]

one assumes that the reference to the AI is found in the zip created from building the API...

[cunning lagoon]

inside mama gruzz

[copper nacelle]

yeah xhuis you can use that

or you can use the one you get from the installer

either works fine

[solemn rivet]

I like the edit on your comment 56

[compact sedge]

still on first try, just killed NKG, how long I got?

until I die

[cunning lagoon]

2 bosses

[compact sedge]

woah

so I'm fucked

I'm about to see and get my ass kicked by absolute rad

will I unlock her at least

[cunning lagoon]

just dont take damage lmao my ass off

yeah you unlock her when you beat pv

[compact sedge]

or do I have to play through all of this just to practice her

[fair rampart]

oh okay apparently there are TWO things named "hollow knight mod installer"

asdjkfajsdkgasjkdg

[compact sedge]

ok

[copper nacelle]

@fair rampart first pin in #archived-modding-help or 2nd pin here

h

[fair rampart]

h

[cunning lagoon]

so what is this h thing

i feel like i need to know

[fair rampart]

h*ck if I know

[solemn rivet]

h = 56

[copper nacelle]

e but h

hhhhhhhhhhh

idk

weird meme

[cunning lagoon]

ok weirdo

[compact sedge]

also markoth but the floor is lava seems impossible 56

[solemn rivet]

u can pronounce it kinda like ech too

[compact sedge]

at least hitless

[solemn rivet]

so there's that

[compact sedge]

I mean I did it but I cheesed it