archived-modding-development

[copper nacelle]

i usually unsubscribe from stuff

unroll.me or something

but then they said they were tracking you or something so

ecchh

[compact sedge]

also like I signed up for email updates on new versions of intel's compiler and they decided to also send me newsletters about how much better they are than AMD basically.

that's the problem you sign up for one thing and get signed up for 12

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[river eagle]

don't sign up for anything tbh

It's all a scam

[rain cedar]

@compact sedge Something is weird about godmaster

I made a standalone debug that installs via monomod for one of the testers

Worked fine on lifeblood, could not get it to work for him on gm

Although of course limited debugging due to nda

[copper nacelle]

new anti-modding support

with that thing that monomod has

to check if your game is modded

[tranquil glen]

i'd kill

[rain cedar]

There's no way

[tranquil glen]

I'm just learning how to do very basic stuff

they were in support of it before right

[rain cedar]

It doesn't really matter if they actually did that, we can get around it

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[rain cedar]

More likely they've just restructured something

Or changed a class name somewhere

[compact sedge]

can we get an entire Managed folder mayb e

that might be helpful

[rain cedar]

Yeah I can get you one if you give me a couple days

I did the thing you wanted

[solemn rivet]

oh gee

I have GoG

[copper nacelle]

👀

[thorn comet]

[solemn rivet]

holy shit I've never downloaded anything this slowly

130kb/s ffs

[rain cedar]

Can you try having better internet?

[solemn rivet]

I do

it's not the best (brazillian internet sucks ass) but it's good enough

usually

[hollow pier]

so what youre saying is

br net lixo

[solemn rivet]

ye

[novel ore]

hi

[solemn rivet]

hey

[novel ore]

i for some reason had the enemy hp bar mod work but now its not working

[copper nacelle]

can we put the gdm csharp here or no

[novel ore]

thats unusal

[copper nacelle]

you have modcommon?

[novel ore]

let me check

yes

[solemn rivet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[copper nacelle]

ModLog & output_log

to be tbh

[novel ore]

eh, i think it will no longer be a problem in some time

[solemn rivet]

sweating intensifies

[copper nacelle]

[hollow pier]

28 minutos restantes

[copper nacelle]

can't you do GoG stuff w/out galaxy

would be faster

[solemn rivet]

dunno

can I?

[copper nacelle]

ye

at least for all the games i've played

[solemn rivet]

lemme try

[novel ore]

actually i fixed it

[copper nacelle]

what was it

[novel ore]

for some reason i didnt have the modding api even tho i already installed it

[copper nacelle]

nice

[novel ore]

i will be busy fighting nightmare king grimm over and over thanks to infinite grimm

[solemn rivet]

the installer for the game was literally instant

ffs

[copper nacelle]

at least you didn't have to install galaxy

[novel ore]

yes

[copper nacelle]

@thorn comet is posting the gdm assembly allowed

[thorn comet]

GDM?

[copper nacelle]

godmaster

[fossil oxide]

nice internet speed

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

life finds a way

[thorn comet]

Until I get word from TC later today, no sorry. Just DM's for now or something.

[copper nacelle]

ok

cool

[solemn rivet]

so

[hollow pier]

dm it to everyone in the server

[solemn rivet]

direct download of gog galaxy is slow af, but downloading it via the HK installer is quick af

ok

[novel ore]

umm grimm doesnt want to fight me

[solemn rivet]

good to know

[thorn comet]

Sorry, just want to respect what they'd want (ill hear from them soon)

[novel ore]

Is he scared lol

[solemn rivet]

nah, makes sense Simo

[novel ore]

grimm for some reason doesnt want to fight me

[solemn rivet]

which grimm?

[novel ore]

normal grimm

why

my grimmchild isnt appearing

no flame

[steep sail]

IG installed?

[novel ore]

do i go where you begin the dlc normally?

yes

[solemn rivet]

galaxy installed

👀

[steep sail]

Uninstall IG

[novel ore]

k

[compact sedge]

infinite grimm only applies after you kill NKG for realzies

[novel ore]

i ALREADY DID

[steep sail]

Beat NKG and basic Grimm

[novel ore]

I ALREADY DID BOTH

[solemn rivet]

did you say you were trying to fight Normal Grimm tho

[novel ore]

wait do i go where you would dream nail to fight nkg

[steep sail]

Fighting normal Grimm after killing NKG?

[compact sedge]

grimmchild is made invisible in the tent after you enter after nkg is dead if you don't explicitly equip grimmchild and if you do equip grimmchild it shouldn't be.

[novel ore]

im confused

[solemn rivet]

yeah

go there

[compact sedge]

the mod is NOT designed to let you refight normal grimm after killing NKG because the only way to do that is by cheating.

[solemn rivet]

^

[novel ore]

yes okay

[compact sedge]

so uninstall the mod if you wanna do that.

[novel ore]

its only nkg

i only wanted to fight nkg anyways

[compact sedge]

ok

[solemn rivet]

👀 👀

[steep sail]

Of course, Infinite Grimm is ONLY FOR Nightmare King

[compact sedge]

so uh gradow since you have gdm and I don't can I dm you compiled modcommon and modding api binaries and have you test out one of my mods that being the one everyone cares about infinite grimm?

[hollow pier]

instalar

[fossil oxide]

M A I S

[compact sedge]

just like make sure you can enter the tent and he talks to you and you can fight him and he doesn't die after 1500 damage

[solemn rivet]

as soon as I'm sure it works, AA

[compact sedge]

thanks :)

[solemn rivet]

because as soon as I clicked "install" I swear I saw the version number switch back to 1.3.1.5

[compact sedge]

uhhh

[fossil oxide]

Didn't you need to enable public beta or something

[steep sail]

in GOG?

[novel ore]

btw i installed redmoth,blackwing and lightbringer on my 4th save file

[solemn rivet]

great, my connection stopped

Y

[compact sedge]

rip gradow's internet

[solemn rivet]

sigh

[compact sedge]

wow that makes my internet look fast

[cunning lagoon]

[compact sedge]

sorry

[copper nacelle]

2mb/s isn't too bad

[solemn rivet]

except I never get 2MB/s

[copper nacelle]

true

[hollow pier]

i get like 6

[compact sedge]

isn't Hollow Knight like 6GB how is it only 1.1

[copper nacelle]

compression doesn't exist angle

[compact sedge]

yeah but that's a pretty insane compression ratio

[solemn rivet]

dl it for me ptk

[hollow pier]

ok

send

[solemn rivet]

nou

[hollow pier]

shit

[fossil oxide]

Complex InfinityToday at 23:02
2mb/s isn't too bad

Lmao

[hollow pier]

IrfantastischToday at 5:05 PM

Complex InfinityToday at 23:02
2mb/s isn't too bad
Lmao

nice woke

[fossil oxide]

Thank.

[solemn rivet]

mfw face when my mobile connection is way better than my ISP's

at least it's constant speed

ffs

60MB to go bois

[hollow pier]

only 6 hours then huh

[fossil oxide]

where do you people live

[solemn rivet]

don't get me started ptk

in hell

that's where I live

[hollow pier]

in 7-1 land

[solemn rivet]

done

now installing

should be quick

[compact sedge]

you live in west virginia?

[fossil oxide]

How large was the file size total

?

[compact sedge]

1.1GB compressed

for the whole game

[fossil oxide]

For the content pack

[solemn rivet]

I still think it installed 1.3.1.5

[fossil oxide]

Enable public beta

[cunning lagoon]

you have to be on the piblic beta

[compact sedge]

uhh try downloading it from the website

like gog.com

instead of from the galaxy

[compact sedge]

also they might have removed it fuck

[solemn rivet]

I'll try public beta

[cunning lagoon]

yeah it might not even be a thing anymore

[copper nacelle]

[fossil oxide]

Ask someone else for their files

[compact sedge]

@hazy sentinel

[cunning lagoon]

or wait a day to be h

[compact sedge]

to be tbh I just want my goddamn mods to work

they could have done a public beta a la lifeblood but nooooo

[copper nacelle]

no one would wait for gng

[compact sedge]

I'm gonna have to add binding code for redwing

[copper nacelle]

why

oh

binding

thought you meant keybinding

[compact sedge]

for the bindings

and possibly

do something I can't say

[copper nacelle]

no gdm spoilers here dungo

[compact sedge]

seriously?

[copper nacelle]

mys was deleting them

so yes

until it releases

[thorn comet]

Until further notice yes

[compact sedge]

ok

wait but it was ok 4 weeks ago to post leaked images?

[thorn comet]

But now people have more than just the trailer

[compact sedge]

like the leaked image of all the save screens

[thorn comet]

and etc.

[compact sedge]

and all the leaked text veru found

[thorn comet]

Easier to go stone cold than analyse every message in every channel hey?

[solemn rivet]

I opened my discord window just in time to see a wall of text magically disappear

nice

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

applying beta

let's see...

[copper nacelle]

should i buy the gog version

waiting

is

ahhhh

[cunning lagoon]

beat my pop time

[copper nacelle]

ree

[solemn rivet]

buy 3 diff versions, 56

[copper nacelle]

you have humble, gog, and steam?

[solemn rivet]

no

[copper nacelle]

switch, gog, steam?

[solemn rivet]

steam, gog and indiebox

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

if only I had a switch...

Leth is here bois

[trim totem]

gog is 1.3.1.5 forr me

[solemn rivet]

same here

[trim totem]

big oof

[rain cedar]

Just wait lol

It's gonna be out in like 1.5 days

[solemn rivet]

AA is impatient

[copper nacelle]

why can you pogo on already activated levers

real questions

@cunning lagoon can u stop being fast

[cunning lagoon]

maybe you should stop being slow

[copper nacelle]

true

[compact sedge]

I'm impatient to get my mods working. I'm cool waiting forever to actually play gng

[rain cedar]

Don't worry it's coming early 2018

Don't have to wait that long

[compact sedge]

I'm preemptively writing bindings code.

wait can I say the word binding or is that going too far simo

I mean it was shown off at the treehouse

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

everyone knows about bindings

[thorn comet]

haha

[compact sedge]

ok

[thorn comet]

very funny

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

[compact sedge]

I'm glad I know exactly what the bindings actually do so I can balance my mod accordingly

I'm just gonna guess random effects and hope they fit with the bindings.

[solemn rivet]

oh boi

[cunning lagoon]

jogar

[solemn rivet]

let me give this bad boy a spin

[trim totem]

beta?

[rain cedar]

saves na nuven nao sincronizados

[solemn rivet]

beta

não, Sean

smh

[cunning lagoon]

não

[trim totem]

nice i'm dloding it too

[solemn rivet]

the dream

[rain cedar]

Spoilers

[trim totem]

big spooler

[solemn rivet]

should I start a new save?

[trim totem]

i will

[cunning lagoon]

yes

whoever has a 107% file ready for the update is missing outç

[solemn rivet]

I'll just use my 107% save to try out the bossrush

oh no

first issue

mouse is stuck to center of screen again

ffs

[trim totem]

lol rip

[rain cedar]

Was it ever not?

Modding stuff fixes that

[solemn rivet]

eh

dunno

[trim totem]

inb4 you encounter game breaking bugs

[rain cedar]

inb4 you encounter game breaking ban from server

[trim totem]

well i aint gonna discuss it at all so ill be fine

[rain cedar]

Me neither

[compact sedge]

hey can you test out the assembly and modcommon?

[novel ore]

umm i killed empress muzznik after i beated hornet

[trim totem]

wow you're a god

[novel ore]

i had lightbring,blackwing and redmoth installed

helped so much

so yeah

not that skilled

but i was locked when i beat her

what happened

[trim totem]

blackwing and redmoth

[novel ore]

also lightbringer

[copper nacelle]

balanced

[trim totem]

look closely

[copper nacelle]

isn't the pillar like

50 damage

[novel ore]

so i must beat her without blackwing and redmoth

right?

[copper nacelle]

the bugged one

[compact sedge]

the pillar isn't that strong because you need to heal to do it. the strongest is by far the dash becuase the dash's firetrail damage is balanced with blackmoth's dash which does 42 damage before fstrength at max level

[copper nacelle]

heal build op

quick focus deep focus shape of unn

tank the bosses

[cunning lagoon]

why deep focus

[compact sedge]

don't worry, I already have bindings code

[copper nacelle]

deep focus makes it from

really hard to die

to

[compact sedge]

it was at one point gonna require deep focus when you weren't at full health but I never got around to adding that

[copper nacelle]

actually fucking impossible to die

[cunning lagoon]

yeah but you get half as many pillars

[novel ore]

i beated her when i only beated hornet,false knight and brooding mawlek

[copper nacelle]

?

isn't deep focus same price as quick

[cunning lagoon]

don't you spawn a pillar each time you heal

[compact sedge]

no

it's like 50% more price

[novel ore]

and i had only 3 charms

[compact sedge]

so you can only do 2 df heals

[novel ore]

panic compass,twin fangs and glass soul

[compact sedge]

on one soul bar

[copper nacelle]

oh

huh

[cunning lagoon]

wait so do you spawn 2 pillars with deep focus?

[novel ore]

was i supposed to beat her later cuz it said "you are unworthy,comeback when youre stronger

so yeah

[copper nacelle]

ehh

it's a lategame boss

but doing stuff early is fun

like nkg

[novel ore]

nvm shes dead

wow i beated her without the cheese strat

and with a old firenail

not to brag

anyways ima continue

[compact sedge]

@rain cedar got the modding api compiled for GM, kinda hacky rn plus I have literally 0 ways of testing it so I don't wanna send any PRs but it did compile successfully

[rain cedar]

Cool

[compact sedge]

Also not allowed to release it because it references code I cannot disclose but Redwing is now Godmaster Ready™. Bindings will now affects Redwing abilities, if you turn them on in the settings, in theory anyway, don't actually have a game I can test it with.

[odd jetty]

Dat was quick

[compact sedge]

the hardest part was getting my hands on the files

[rain cedar]

According to people in hidden secret channels the gog version isn't anywhere close to the intended release build, so you might have to change more stuff

[odd jetty]

oooh

It makes things way worse

[young walrus]

lol. did a build release early?

hahaha

that's fitting for TC

[odd jetty]

hell yes

why even they submitted a unfinished build to GoG

[young walrus]

cuz it's TC

they do dumb things

[odd jetty]

plenty

[compact sedge]

There's one and exactly one thing I suspect will change between gog and final release and I won't say too much but:

It's a change with the .csproj not with any code.

[odd jetty]

...

that can mean a lot, and plenty of it suck dirty ass

[copper nacelle]

[compact sedge]

let me put it this way, I'm pretty sure the assembly csharp file itself is more or less final.

[odd jetty]

one sec, but you had to change something else other than the csproj, right?

[compact sedge]

I can neither confirm nor deny if there were any changes to the assembly csharp that required me to modify code for the modding api since I'm under nda.

I can, however, say that I did change some code in the modding api to get the modding api to compile.

[young walrus]

Wish I could really get excited for godmaster

[odd jetty]

My expectations were low since the beggining

[compact sedge]

what if they readded inventory drop and all the other bugs. IDK if they did but you never know

[odd jetty]

you know they won't

[copper nacelle]

[odd jetty]

they never had the need to remove in first place

[compact sedge]

anyway I'm just happy to get my mods and their dependencies working so quickly so I can get back to playing more salt.

probably working

rn I'm wishing I had it on GoG to test it but not enough to buy it.

[odd jetty]

that makes even more worried than it should, moth man

[compact sedge]

I'm just setting myself up so I can get infinite grimm working before KDT makes NGG 2, electric boogaloo.

[odd jetty]

lol

[compact sedge]

Is this announcement an official lifting of this server's Godmaster source code embargo @exotic venture ?

or is that still under wraps

[thorn comet]

You may discuss GM yes

[compact sedge]

Cool. Well without further ado, here's my attempt at building the modding api and modcommon for it. Untested because I don't own the game on GoG but testing would be appreciated.

things of note that I've noticed:

Save and load functions now use delegates
GM playerdata in structs
GM bindings are a bitmasked int

it was mentioned that the GoG version had some problems. I think as far as the c# goes the only major thing that will change between now and official release is that they might merge all the unity dlls into one unity.dll like they had before on every previous version of hollow knight. I think the assembly csharp should probably not change though.

Also, the version of unity was updated or at least something about unity was updated so all mods will need to be rebuilt for GM probably but I didn't have to change anything to get mine to compile. IDK how many of the hooks are still working though.

[warped sinew]

they did update unity

[solemn rivet]

so, api works

some mods work

so far only tested enemyhpbars, but it works

QOL works

[copper nacelle]

y e e t

[buoyant obsidian]

test the important one

L I G H T B R I N G E R

[solemn rivet]

nou

[compact sedge]

why isn't rider letting me use c# 7 when I enabled it for the project

[copper nacelle]

it does that sometimes

idk why

[compact sedge]

ok I changed it in the csproject

please test kthx

[solemn rivet]

trying it

still failed to load

[compact sedge]

same reason?

[solemn rivet]

yup

[compact sedge]

ech I'll see if I can fix it but I'm not in a PR sending mood today.

while I'm doing that here's another one I rebuilt.

[solemn rivet]

blackmoth works boiii

[compact sedge]

WOAH the Playmaker assembly that THEY provided is using the wrong version of unity

[solemn rivet]

blackmoth serves as a noclip due to sharpshadow

kek

[compact sedge]

no wonder they said it had some problems, this might be why

[solemn rivet]

not radiant, but still

also blackmoth is throwing NREs left right and center

holy shit

WAIT

something went wrong

that last debug worked

wtf

maybe it didn't overwrite what I had before?

oh boi

it's cheese time

[copper nacelle]

go for pure vessel

he's the most fun

so far

[compact sedge]

because of some problems with the dynamic linking between unity and the assembly (not my fault this time) I had to remove hazard respawn from debugmod but with that said let me send you something

[solemn rivet]

I hate vanilla THK tho

is he any better?

[copper nacelle]

he's like

50x harder

want a vid?

[compact sedge]

this may or may not work but it might work idk

anyway if blackmoth throws lots of NREs then nothing has changed since the last time I used it.

[copper nacelle]

[compact sedge]

it NREs when you cdash and when you cast spells and probably when you move the wrong way

[solemn rivet]

so

binding restricts naildmg to 13

you can't even increase it with debug

[copper nacelle]

wow nice

hitinstance it

[solemn rivet]

yup

[compact sedge]

13 is not bad

[solemn rivet]

yeah

I don't want to actually cheese stuff tho

[copper nacelle]

ye

[solemn rivet]

just wanna see what's behind all the locks

[copper nacelle]

do you want to see pure vessel

he's like

cool

[solemn rivet]

is he better than THK

[copper nacelle]

yes

[solemn rivet]

cause I hate THK

[copper nacelle]

graig come back

[warped sinew]

no

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

is he the boss of pantheon 5?

[compact sedge]

[copper nacelle]

pantheon 4

https://youtu.be/tI_B-EsprOU

[solemn rivet]

k

wow

very different from THK

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[warped sinew]

fun times ahead boiz

[copper nacelle]

yes

any tips for pure vessel

cause i'm dying

[compact sedge]

git gud

[copper nacelle]

thank u very helpful

[compact sedge]

I'm here all week

[odd jetty]

man, pure vessel is beautiful

A mix of radiance with HK

[compact sedge]

guys how do I be less restless

[copper nacelle]

buy it on gog

ez

[compact sedge]

1. they removed it from GoG
2. their assemblies are slightly broken for the purpose of modding so I need to wait anyway

so it comes out in... 36 hours then?

or am I doing math wrong

really all I can do modding related at this point is hope to get an early peek at the endings and see if I need to make any videos for those. but likely no, because tbt if they're exclusive to boss rush mode they aren't real lore anyway. So really all I can do is try to at least get close to beating salt but I'm only half way through that and no way I can finish it in a day.

[fair rampart]

@copper nacelle just saying u can set the world record speed run for godmaster right now

[copper nacelle]

no graig

[warped sinew]

you'd have to beat my time :p

[copper nacelle]

already did

yeah

[fair rampart]

wow

[copper nacelle]

also veru

[solemn rivet]

so

I used debug to cheese pantheon 1

no shame

[warped sinew]

its ok buddy, you do you

[solemn rivet]

so I assume I need to beat pantheons 1-4 full binds to unlock this

[copper nacelle]

pure vessel full binds

can u

delete this

[solemn rivet]

no, Graig, I will beat it, in time

it's just that

[fair rampart]

knowing me i wont be able to do this dlc

[solemn rivet]

I need to know whatever much I can about this

pantheon1 looks not too hard full binds

same about 2

3 onwards... I'm scared

[warped sinew]

its harder than you think

[copper nacelle]

4 hp and everything scales

large death

[odd jetty]

he already says it's hard, now it's harder?

Oh, does pantheon add to %?

[solemn rivet]

dunno

maybe?

[copper nacelle]

yes

[solemn rivet]

k

[copper nacelle]

5%

1/pantheon

[solemn rivet]

anyone else wanna know what's behind that door?

[copper nacelle]

i think

[odd jetty]

Boi

[copper nacelle]

yees

just mod yourself in there

imo

[solemn rivet]

ok, can't

[copper nacelle]

?

[solemn rivet]

there's no interactible

[copper nacelle]

GameManager.instance.BeginSceneTransition(

[odd jetty]

just wrong warp to it :V

[solemn rivet]

I'd need to know the scene name

I can dump the scene data to get it but

[copper nacelle]

what are the new ones called

[solemn rivet]

:effort:

GG_something

[copper nacelle]

yes

World Navigation has it

or it should

should but it doesn't

e c h

[solemn rivet]

it opens

[copper nacelle]

[split pelican]

👀 👀 👀 👀

[solemn rivet]

wtf

uh

there was a blue thingie

and I DN'd it

and it disappeared

and now there's lifeblood vines all around

[hollow pier]

you died

[copper nacelle]

u become lifeblood

also pic pls

[odd jetty]

An abyss creature?

[hollow pier]

is this the new quest

[solemn rivet]

uploading my dudes

[rustic stag]

Wait what's going on? Did I miss something how you accessing the new content?

[copper nacelle]

gog leaked it

[rustic stag]

oof

[solemn rivet]

door to radiance in hog opened

dunno what causes it tho

[odd jetty]

boi

[copper nacelle]

nice

[supple sigil]

@solemn rivet uploading where?

you got a youtubes?

[solemn rivet]

I gots, but not uploading there

[supple sigil]

where?

[solemn rivet]

wtf why is my connection so bad today

nowhere, it's just a 10s mp4

just any gif host

[copper nacelle]

gradow suffer with us

p u r e
v e s s e l

[supple sigil]

i need this lifeblood lore

[solemn rivet]

which difficulty are you guys going for?

[supple sigil]

please

[solemn rivet]

cursed upload%

[supple sigil]

[copper nacelle]

i'm just trying to beat it normally

in house of gods

[solemn rivet]

so

attuned?

https://puu.sh/Biivm/f83710e23e.mp4

[copper nacelle]

ye

[solemn rivet]

I delivers

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

10, 40

what's the difference

[split pelican]

what if you go to the abyss, the part where you need like 15 life points to get in

👀

[supple sigil]

So there like 2 more

does the door close again?

[solemn rivet]

was this always here?

[supple sigil]

idk i havent played teh dlc

[solemn rivet]

56?

I know it isn't there in pantheons 1,2

[supple sigil]

i wish

so is the door a boost system?

unlock is and then you can be stronger in future challenges?

[solemn rivet]

wtf

after beating GPZ in pantheon 3 I got here

nice

omg I'm actually back at dirtmouth

smh

[hollow pier]

nice

[supple sigil]

bug?

[rain cedar]

Clearly intended

Imagine the lore implications

[supple sigil]

Godhome takes place in bretta's house

Bretta is Godseeker

[solemn rivet]

my friend moved

[supple sigil]

new dialogue?

[solemn rivet]

yeah

nothing exciting tho

[hollow pier]

why do you have meme geo

[supple sigil]

Gla gla... Mother... Am I... Mother...? Gla gla...

this is only interesting lore

that can come from fluke hermit

[solemn rivet]

he asks if the godseeker can see it

that's it

ptk why not

this is my meme save

I use it to do stupid stuffs

[supple sigil]

ping me if you figure out what those other two big dials are

[solemn rivet]

again ffs

game won't even let me cheat

smh

[fair rampart]

whats with your soul meter?

[supple sigil]

soul binding

[fair rampart]

heck

[supple sigil]

except glitched

[solemn rivet]

ffs

I've beaten zote 4 times now and it always teleports me back to his idol

[compact sedge]

make the statue gold

[solemn rivet]

did

happens when I beat him in hog too

so I resorted to save editing and found something

not only do the bindings count

but

"bossDoorStateTier2":{"canUnlock":false,"unlocked":true,"completed":true,"allBindings":true,"noHits":true,"boundNail":true,"boundShell":true,"boundCharms":true,"boundSoul":true,

noHit

doing a pantheon hitless is also counted for some reason

@supple sigil they add nothing to that room. Maybe more lifeblood cocoons to the pantheons?

[supple sigil]

Perhaps yeah

Is the door closed?

[solemn rivet]

no, it's open

and there's nothing new inside

[supple sigil]

Strange

How does it close

[warped sinew]

that zote bug isnt happening to me

[supple sigil]

Obviously it has to right?

[warped sinew]

must just be you @solemn rivet

[supple sigil]

Or like does the room just get upgraded once another dial is unlocked

[solemn rivet]

I know, Graig, must be the mods

many people have beaten pantheon3 already

[hollow pier]

graid

graidow

[solemn rivet]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

I LOVE PANTHEON5

I'm not gonna spoil this

but the boss that comes right after Soul Warrior

oh boi

[hollow pier]

spoil it

[solemn rivet]

no

u can't make me

[hollow pier]

do it

no balls

[solemn rivet]

that's not fair

[hollow pier]

vc lixo

[solemn rivet]

tua mãe

[hollow pier]

what this is too advanced

[solemn rivet]

ok

[hollow pier]

stop using diacritics

[solemn rivet]

the boss is

I kid you not

[hollow pier]

oh

meh

[solemn rivet]

except, not

[fair rampart]

👀

[solemn rivet]

he gets killed by mawlek

before he even gets a fighting chance

he's on screen for like 5s

tops

[hollow pier]

ok

[solemn rivet]

also, yeah

that door gives you lifeblood, and that's it

[flat forum]

aaahhh

[solemn rivet]

at most you get 4 masks

[flat forum]

spoilers?

[fair rampart]

everywhere is spoilers except #off-topic

[flat forum]

fuk

[solemn rivet]

ok I don't think it's humanly possible to do pantheon 5 all binds

at all

[hollow pier]

@vocal flicker

oh

it pinged someone

ok

[vocal flicker]

[warped sinew]

I haven't done panth 5 all binds yet. Its really hard.

[solemn rivet]

hahahaha rip

lost my modded panth5 all binds run because the same bug happened with White Defender

I was tp'd to sleeping dung defender

[warped sinew]

Lol

[flat forum]

what's Panth5?

[solemn rivet]

u want spoilers?

[flat forum]

just some

[rain cedar]

Panther 5

[solemn rivet]

it's essentially the bossrush

[flat forum]

like, I'm not gonna lose anything Gameplay wise

just don't spoil surprises

like new bosses and plot twists

so, Panth5 is all bosses

?!

[compact sedge]

panth 5 all binds sounds fun af

panth 5 is all bosses all bosses but many of the gng bosses were buffed in weird ways

[solemn rivet]

^

also

I'm done for today

gave myself panths3-5 via save editing

not gonna spoil the reward tho

it's 2am here

gotta sleep

[compact sedge]

also sidenote for people who think redwing is too easy: redwing all binds is barely any easier than vanilla. In essence you have fire attacks but they deal basically no damage and you lose your infinite shade dash ability.

[solemn rivet]

I doubt I'll ever get panths 3-5 all binds legit

maybe 1 and 2

[compact sedge]

in fact you lose your ability to even dash in any direction other than left or right unless shade cloak is off cooldown

[solemn rivet]

I mean

you guys have NO IDEA how hard panth5 is

[flat forum]

and is there a special reward for allbinds?

[solemn rivet]

I can't even fathom doing it all binds

[compact sedge]

it gives you points towards opening a door based on gradow's pictures

but idk what the door is for

so I'ma say yes there is a reward

[solemn rivet]

and that door allows you to get lifeblood during panths

[compact sedge]

oh so the door makes it... easier

[solemn rivet]

ye

[compact sedge]

being good at the game and the game rewards you by making itself easier

[solemn rivet]

when you don't need it to be easier anymore

[compact sedge]

seems counterintuitive

[solemn rivet]

because you already beat it

[flat forum]

DM pic of the door

[solemn rivet]

just scroll a bit

[flat forum]

also any bosses harder than NKG?

[compact sedge]

really you should be rewarding good players by making things harder. The challenege is the reward in itself. Open the door to get a hitless version of all binds panth 5

[solemn rivet]

https://puu.sh/Biivm/f83710e23e.mp4

but, AA

I think there's a reward somewhere for doing things hitless

because the save has bools for all binds

and for noHits

[compact sedge]

hitless and panth 5 and all binds?

seems almost impossible to do all 3

I'm not completely soulless yet.

[solemn rivet]

lemme show you an example

"bossDoorStateTier1":{"canUnlock":false,"unlocked":true,"completed":true,"allBindings":true,"noHits":true,"boundNail":true,"boundShell":true,"boundCharms":true,"boundSoul":true,"viewedBossSceneCompletions":[]} this is for panth1

for some reason it keeps track of noHits

[compact sedge]

ok so doing 3 bindings is pointless in so far as savedata

[flat forum]

what's that Fluke dude?

[compact sedge]

but doing all 4 gives you the all bindings bool and doing it hitless (regardless of bindings) gives you the nohits thing

this seems like a lot of high quality arcadey content. I approve.

[solemn rivet]

also, this

"currentBossSequence":{"bindings":0,"timer":1518.7830810546875,"knightDamaged":false,"playerData":"bossDoorStateTier5","previousCompletion":{"canUnlock":false,"unlocked":true,"completed":false,"allBindings":false,"noHits":false,"boundNail":false,"boundShell":false,"boundCharms":false,"boundSoul":false,"viewedBossSceneCompletions":[]},"previousEquippedCharms":[36,16],"wasOvercharmed":false,"bossSequenceName":"Boss Sequence Tier 5"}

this is updated pretty regularly

and you can see that it also keeps track of player being damaged

[flat forum]

are there new bosses harder than NKG?

[compact sedge]

oh yes

[flat forum]

I need to know

[solemn rivet]

do you want to know, Papers?

yea

lots

and lots

[flat forum]

woah

Pure Vessel?

which we know exists from the theme

[solemn rivet]

basically every boss gets two harder versions, Papers

EVERY boss

[flat forum]

wait

[solemn rivet]

even some non-bosses

[flat forum]

every single boss in the game

[solemn rivet]

like vengefly, gruz, moss charger

[compact sedge]

There's a radiant radiance

[solemn rivet]

obblebbs, or whatever it's called

[flat forum]

gets a normal a hard and a ScrewYou version?!

[solemn rivet]

basically

and the screwyou version - get this - oneshots you

[compact sedge]

oh is that how it works, dang

[solemn rivet]

well

[compact sedge]

is the screwyou version as hard as the harder one other than killing you in one hit

[flat forum]

ABSOLUTE DESTROYER OF EVERYTHING
RADIANCE

[solemn rivet]

in so far as what I have tested and 56 has reported, yes

yeah

they also have more HP AA

[compact sedge]

so the 5th panth, do you choose from those 3 difficulties

or does it go through all 3 sets of difficulties

[solemn rivet]

so, for every boss you get three versions - Attuned, Absolute and Radiant

[compact sedge]

or for any given panth I mean

[solemn rivet]

Attuned is basically more HP

Absolute is even more HP + 2x damage

(that means NKG does 4 damage, for instance)

[flat forum]

4 masks for usually syronger enemie-?

ok

[solemn rivet]

and Radiant is even more HP + instakill

[compact sedge]

that means absolute NKG is as hard as radiant NKG with health binding

like equally hard

[solemn rivet]

that's for Hall of Gods, at least

[flat forum]

this sounds amazing

wait, Hall of Gods?

[solemn rivet]

for pantheons, it's fixed

you don't get to pick shit

[flat forum]

is that like a 1 boss challenge thing?

[unborn sable]

tbh NKG won't be that bad once you get good at it

[solemn rivet]

they get thrown in your face and you get to deal with it

[unborn sable]

You should be able to nohit him without too much frustration after getting good enough to beat him the first time

[compact sedge]

randomly?

[solemn rivet]

no

they are predetermined

[compact sedge]

tbh radiant NKG is the only radiant boss I could probably beat. @unborn sable

[solemn rivet]

nah

[flat forum]

Radiant Radiance

muahahahha

[solemn rivet]

I beat Mantis Lords before I even realized what it was about

[flat forum]

Radiant Nosk

?!

[solemn rivet]

only after that did 56 tell me they one shot you

and I was like

[compact sedge]

also just throwing this out there but:

Radiant NKG vs Redwing

[flat forum]

Nosk Cheese removed?

[solemn rivet]

but pantheons are like bona-fide boss rush thingy

[unborn sable]

That's awesome. I've never seen a Metroidvania where the bossrush wasn't a ROMhack 😄

[solemn rivet]

basically all igavanias have a bossrush mode imo

[compact sedge]

a staple of the genre (in modding communities)

[solemn rivet]

but that's beside the point

[compact sedge]

salt doesn't or I haven't found it yet :(

[solemn rivet]

Veru has beaten all patheons legit, as far as I'm aware

but bindless

[flat forum]

also what that clothed Fluke guy?

[viscid sky]

Ei

Gradow

Voce é bR?

[solemn rivet]

wtf

[viscid sky]

BR*

[solemn rivet]

that came outta nowhere

sure

[warped sinew]

I wonder how long till someone panth5 all bind

[solemn rivet]

infinity years, graig

I mean

[flat forum]

that fire guy?

[solemn rivet]

when I thought it was ending it just kept getting harder and harder

[flat forum]

that did PoP in 3 minutes the day TGT released

or maybe DLK

[solemn rivet]

you don't understand papers

[flat forum]

who appeared out of nowhere and literally destroyed everything

[solemn rivet]

also

panth5 no eyes is absolute bullshit

and don't you dare disagree graig

[flat forum]

how hard can fighting all Vanilla bosses be?

[solemn rivet]

it's not only that, papers

most of them are in alternate forms

[flat forum]

waitwaitwait

[warped sinew]

Well let's put it this way, I nearly beat the new NGG, and this is much harder to do than that

[solemn rivet]

much much harder

[warped sinew]

Like 5 times harder

[flat forum]

Panth5 is BUFFED bosses?!

[solemn rivet]

yeah

[flat forum]

I'm boned beyond belief

woah

[compact sedge]

Anyway thanks for letting me know gradow

https://gitlab.com/natis1/infinitegrimm/commit/f0a2ce24f4d3fdf64559d408ec1edc16c5eab763

[solemn rivet]

wut dat

[flat forum]

IG updated for Godmaster?

[compact sedge]

yeah I posted an assembly above somewhere that's ready-compiled

[flat forum]

Radiant No Eyes...

[solemn rivet]

oh

papers, you're gonna love the new uumuu

ffs

[flat forum]

UumuU

[compact sedge]

can you actually hit the new uumuu

[solemn rivet]

and I thought they couldn't make uumuu worse

[flat forum]

how can they buff Uumuu?

fight Uumuu without Quirrel

[compact sedge]

uumuu but quirrel is dead and only weaverlings can damage it

[solemn rivet]

they "changed" it

[flat forum]

[solemn rivet]

basically

you're not 100% wrong AA

[compact sedge]

yikes

I was meming

[solemn rivet]

but it's not weaverlings

[flat forum]

yikes

[solemn rivet]

it's those explody jellyfish

you have to break them and make them hit uumuu

[flat forum]

oh thank good-FU

[solemn rivet]

then it breaks the "shield" and you can hit it for a while

[flat forum]

you get Flukenest

and Shaman's Stone

and spam to try and get over with it

asap

[solemn rivet]

flukenest is still nerf btw

[flat forum]

[solemn rivet]

anyway, it's too late for me

[flat forum]

Buffed Flukemarm

[solemn rivet]

I'll try and beat as many bosses legit in HoG as I can tomorrow

[flat forum]

but who will be my source for Spoilers aaaaaa

[solemn rivet]

56

veru

[flat forum]

@copper nacelle exist

Ok

Good Night now, Gradow

[compact sedge]

56 spent 15 dollars to get the dlc 1 day early

[solemn rivet]

better than me

I first bought it on GoG to see the differences between the assemblies

I kid you not

[compact sedge]

nice

[flat forum]

nice

[solemn rivet]

(it was on sale at the time, so there's that)

[warped sinew]

Mfw the leak made tc more money from ppl double buying it

[flat forum]

Graig, can I ask you a bjillion questions

[warped sinew]

[flat forum]

like is Nosk Cheese finally removed?

[solemn rivet]

that's the console exclusives mentality right there, graig

[compact sedge]

Nosk is... different

[warped sinew]

NDA m8

[compact sedge]

very different

[solemn rivet]

make people buy the same thing twice

[warped sinew]

It's not 23rd yet

[fair rampart]

i double bought it for switch and pc

[compact sedge]

papers do you want spoilers about what they did to poor nosk

[solemn rivet]

no, AA

[flat forum]

Nosk will now appear from random other enemies

[compact sedge]

ok

[flat forum]

Hornet Nosk ahahahahaha

[solemn rivet]

don't ruin them yet

[flat forum]

jk

[solemn rivet]

eh

[compact sedge]

then I'll leave it at that. nosk is very different

[flat forum]

they wouldn't do such a stupid thing

[solemn rivet]

you guys have good guesses eh

[flat forum]

would they?

would they?!

[solemn rivet]

two words

[compact sedge]

I haven't seen nosk tho just the screenshot veru posted

[solemn rivet]

flying nosk

[compact sedge]

yeah that's just about all I know too looking at the picture

[flat forum]

FORKS

I'ma bit the extra deado by the end of it

[solemn rivet]

it's a variation on nosk

[flat forum]

is it called differently?

[solemn rivet]

no, it's still Nosk

[flat forum]

ok

[solemn rivet]

but I think it's like Hornet1 and 2

[flat forum]

Oooohhhh

[solemn rivet]

you can select which one you wanna fight, and both of them have the three "difficulties"

[flat forum]

Nosk and Nosk but WINGS AND WILL DESTROY YOUR SOUL

[warped sinew]

Hornet 1 and 2? You should know better than that now @solemn rivet

[solemn rivet]

I didn't try Nosk in HoG so I'm not sure on that

wdym graig

ehhh

I gotta go

bye

[flat forum]

I still have no idea what the fight are like

cya Gradow

have

Radiant Dreams

ehehehhee

[viscid sky]

Pure Vessel is wearing a armor in his new boss fight?

[flat forum]

-^("/ )^-

56 has a vid I think

[viscid sky]

Where is

56

Who is

56

[flat forum]

just search in YT

"fiftysix Pure Vessel*

and 56 is a modder here

[fair rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI_B-EsprOU here's link

[solemn rivet]

As I lay down to sleep one thought haunts my mind

I hope I don't have nightmares about panth5

[compact sedge]

Why have nightmares when you could have gods?

[fair rampart]

why have gods when you have primal aspids

[flat forum]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA I want to play this right now

[fair rampart]

Damn I wanna see new nosk so bad

[nimble lake]

Is there a mod that keeps the effects of Kingsoul after getting Void Heart?

[flat forum]

no

[nimble lake]

Grimmchild and Carefree Melody?

[flat forum]

don't think so

[cunning lagoon]

when is it coming out

do we have a countdown

[warped sinew]

Ask leth

[nimble lake]

Is there a mod that gives you unlimited notches?

[flat forum]

save editing is enough

no need for a mod

[nimble lake]

And also is there a place that explains the mods in full detail rather than summery?