#archived-modding-development

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compact sedge
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new challenge, play redwing after getting up dash while ONLY holding the jump button, never tapping it

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but seriously knowing how to proc this bug at will makes this game so much easier

cunning lagoon
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it's probably possible

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it would be cool

compact sedge
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wow I just realized I've never gone to deepnest from the top

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if you hold left as you're falling you can get out really easy

cunning lagoon
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ye

solemn rivet
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you can clear it

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just tested

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uploading vid

cunning lagoon
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the one in deepnest?

solemn rivet
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okay, where is the shard now? Because I need to see if you can leave

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ye

cunning lagoon
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nice

solemn rivet
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entering

cunning lagoon
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oh iu thought you meant the other one

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you go all the way down

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and when you are in deepnest that's where the shard should be

solemn rivet
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ok

cunning lagoon
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yeah

solemn rivet
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and I just need to leave deepnest through the top of the screen then?

cunning lagoon
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i don't think you can

solemn rivet
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let's see...

cunning lagoon
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if uyou haven't defeated the mantis lords the only way out should be to the left

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and if the updash in blackmoth is just slightly higher than the one in redwing, which seems to be the case, there is absolutely no way you get out

solemn rivet
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ok

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you can

cunning lagoon
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how

solemn rivet
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or rather

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you could

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if there was a loading zone up there

cunning lagoon
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yeah that's the thing

solemn rivet
cunning lagoon
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try the left path but i completely doubt you'll be able to clear that

solemn rivet
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which left path?

cunning lagoon
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to the left of the mask shard

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that's how you are supposed to get out if you make it there without having defeated the mantis lords

compact sedge
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ok there is one greymoth/redwing bug that I need to ask about. In certain really rare conditions and I have no idea why, you can somehow make your character both immune to regular damage (IE enemies) and unable to dash. And the only fix is quitting to main menu. Has anyone else encountered it?

cunning lagoon
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i haven't

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however

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actually nvm

compact sedge
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it's happened to me about 3 times in 8 hours

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probably less

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maybe 3 times in 12 hours

cunning lagoon
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i'll let you know if it happens

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but how much damage is the fire pillar supposed to be doing

compact sedge
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a lot

cunning lagoon
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it killed the first phase of the soul master instantly

compact sedge
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uh not that much

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wait

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with only one pillar?

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I have a theory.

cunning lagoon
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i hit him a few times with the nail, but it was almost all the pillar

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the second phase also died instantly

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but not from a pillar

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i hit him once with the nail on the dave

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then dashed out of the way

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and i think the dash killed him

compact sedge
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Y'all know how speedrunners kill baldurs by casting a spell and walking off screen?

copper nacelle
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that doesn't work on current patch

compact sedge
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oh nvm

cunning lagoon
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i had nail2 and fstrength

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but still

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he shouldn't be dying from a nail swing + a dash right?

compact sedge
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pillar does and pardon my language, a metric fuckton of damage, like 10 + 6 per nail level by default. but that shouldn't kill it twice. Dash also does a metric ton, 5 + 8 per nail level + the damage from sharp shadow, which is done to balance it alongside blackmoth's actually insane damage scaling on sharp shadow.

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I say balance but it's not balanced at all and nail upgrades makes you really strong

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the blackmoth sharp shadow does 42 base damage when you get the shade cloak.

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idk if it scales with fragile strength... but mine does

cunning lagoon
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thats a bit op

compact sedge
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Well at least I can say, as an excuse, I have a config file

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go make the damages balanced because I sure didn't :)

copper nacelle
cunning lagoon
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🤔

compact sedge
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I'm actually really happy you can't skip these even with blackmoth dash

cunning lagoon
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are you sure it's not a bug

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i literally just ohko'd the second phase of the soul tyrant

compact sedge
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no that's definitely a bug

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if you can do that much damage that quickly

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actually my theory is this

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you killed the tyrant super quick because of the following

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a combination of how my napalm works and how shittilly programmed that one particular boss is

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If they fix that boss in GnG then this won't be a problem in the future but until then it's probably inevitable that that boss has a lot of bugs with mods.

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That boss singlehandedly stopped me from making a cool arcade mod which is like otherwise 70% done

cunning lagoon
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oof

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i forgot about this one

compact sedge
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oh

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well I can't say wait for GnG anymore

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so wait for godmaster

cunning lagoon
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it should be fine you don't need to interact with the door anyway

compact sedge
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you can double tap up to interact with something behind something else anyway

cunning lagoon
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ah nice

compact sedge
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if you wanna walk back and get fotf I mean

solemn rivet
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dunno y

compact sedge
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yeah google drive doesn't report total size

solemn rivet
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ok

compact sedge
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ideally we should transition to hosting somewhere else if we wanna get around it.

solemn rivet
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yeah

compact sedge
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wait can I put any link in the xml file?

solemn rivet
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also, got it working, AA

compact sedge
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what if I hosted it on radiance.host?

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cool!

solemn rivet
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now I only need to make it delete the empty folders

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yeah, sure, any link

compact sedge
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ok I'm gonna spend the next 7 days working on radiance.host much to the delight of the 4 other people who like the radiance.

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since I can take a break from modding

solemn rivet
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I'm gonna brute-force it and make it delete all empty folders in Mods which aren't Disabled

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best place to host mods imo

flat forum
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I heard Fold[ers]

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But it's not me

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Huh

solemn rivet
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it's all about you, papers

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always

compact sedge
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tbh I always search angle when I'm gone to see when people talk about me behind my back

copper nacelle
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wtf

compact sedge
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so if you wanna talk about me behind my back and not have me see it just say angel

cunning lagoon
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wow this avenging guy is a complete jerk

copper nacelle
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nice

compact sedge
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shit

flat forum
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АngIе's a real nice guy, don't be that harsh

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56 shut

compact sedge
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Angle's a nice guy, that avenging guy tho

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fuck that guy

flat forum
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Angle find this in the search

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That message above

cunning lagoon
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no U

flat forum
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g a s p

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No, 56

copper nacelle
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u

flat forum
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...me...

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I accept my deatg

copper nacelle
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now play death's gambit

flat forum
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I mean if I had a PC and money

copper nacelle
flat forum
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totally not a sea

solemn rivet
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death gambit is shit

cunning lagoon
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this is so sad can we buy papers a pc

solemn rivet
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not really, it's quite fun

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but it's not HK so

flat forum
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I mean I won't mind getting a PC

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But

compact sedge
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can we get papers to put a 64 bit os on

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like ANY 64 bit os

flat forum
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It's just 7 days here

compact sedge
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even mac os x

flat forum
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I'm coming back on the 23rd

copper nacelle
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smh my head angle

cunning lagoon
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yeah only 7 days until gng releases right?

copper nacelle
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it's macOS now

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yeah

cunning lagoon
compact sedge
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wtf ever not like mac is a good os anyway

flat forum
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I'm mayve probably perhaps possibly going to miss the initial release

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But that's not a bad thing

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Because you will tell me qhere the simple key is

solemn rivet
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oh yeah I've gotta fix that extra 100kb

compact sedge
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fix the extra 101.5 kb

copper nacelle
cunning lagoon
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56 i have changed from controller to kb

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i ghiope you are proud of me

copper nacelle
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yes

torpid lantern
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Is there a cheat mod?

compact sedge
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yes it's called debugmod

torpid lantern
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So it lets you do things like warp, Infinite health, soul and geo?

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stuff like that?

cunning lagoon
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yea pretty much

torpid lantern
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thanks

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I want to experience Hollow Knight, but Im garbage at metroidvanias, so im thinking some harmless cheating would be fine

cunning lagoon
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as long as you are having fun go for it

torpid lantern
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also cus im a noob at this sort of stuff

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how do i download and start using it?

compact sedge
young walrus
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Installer in modding help

solemn rivet
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wait, let me update the link

young walrus
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Have you tried playing the game at all?

solemn rivet
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runs

torpid lantern
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yes

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but i keep dying over and over agin

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I still want to play it and see why everyone loves it.

solemn rivet
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well

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that's fine

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but you're literally removing the exact thing that makes everyone love it, so...

torpid lantern
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i know...

young walrus
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^

solemn rivet
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link updated

compact sedge
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just play blackmoth it makes the game so easy that you couldn't possibly die. except for failed champ

torpid lantern
torpid lantern
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so i just click on ModInstaller?

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so ive downloaded a few mods, should they just work now?

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are there any extra steps?

young walrus
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If you're on 1315,thats it

solemn rivet
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if not, rip

young walrus
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Assuming you didn't download one that's not updated

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Like rando 1

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Or hpbar

solemn rivet
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or bossrush

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or more saves

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AA: dunno if you've seen it, but I've made it so the files in the xml now also have their extensions

torpid lantern
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I did DebugMod, EnemyHPBar, FastText, HPBar, infinitegrimm, ModCommon (API) and MoreSaves

solemn rivet
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with this, your asset installation thingy works like a charm

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still need a dummy dll, tho, but that's by design

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delet moresaves

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and hpbar

young walrus
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And infinite grimm is pretty pointless with debug

torpid lantern
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ok

solemn rivet
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also, not at all newbie friendly imo

young walrus
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IG is a super hard boss mod for challenge

torpid lantern
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ok

young walrus
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Doing it while cheating defeats the point

torpid lantern
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sorry

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I know almost nothing about HK

solemn rivet
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where you stuck at?

torpid lantern
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I know modding for other games like Terraria and Stardew Valley

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So I still have DebugMod, EnemyHPBar, FastText and ModCommon

solemn rivet
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good

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where are you stuck at in the game?

young walrus
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Is fast text even something you'd want

torpid lantern
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Somewhere in Forgotten Crossroads

solemn rivet
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not really, but his choice

young walrus
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If you're trying to experience the game

solemn rivet
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oh

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uhhhh

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:x

torpid lantern
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like i said i suck at metroidvanias

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lol

young walrus
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Go to the middle of the map

torpid lantern
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im good at rpgs tho

young walrus
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Fight boss

solemn rivet
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biss

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oh boi

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I don't mean to reference undertale but

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you're gonna have a bad time if you're stuck in the first area

torpid lantern
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You wanna have a bad time?

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yeah

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I feel the sins crawling on my back

solemn rivet
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but, like all metroidvania, all it takes is a bit of practice

torpid lantern
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It fills me with DETERMINATION

solemn rivet
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and if you're good at rpgs like you say, that should be no issue

torpid lantern
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ok

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thanks

solemn rivet
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in some ways, failing to kill a boss is kinda like farming exp

torpid lantern
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yeah

solemn rivet
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so, good luck

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and off I go

torpid lantern
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thanks

young walrus
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They have debug now. Don't really need luck

torpid lantern
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so it should all work if ijust start hollow knight yeah?

solemn rivet
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AA: if you have any issues with the new xml format feel free to ping me

compact sedge
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what infinite grimm is not a super hard challenge boss

solemn rivet
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xcpt it is

compact sedge
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ok will do but it seems like a better format than before

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It HAS a super hard challenge mode, actually 4 such modes but the default mode is actually a rhythm mode.

flat forum
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Bonfire?

compact sedge
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oh yeah there's also bonfire if you actually wanna levelup and grind

solemn rivet
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oh no

young walrus
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Lol

hollow pier
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top 5 hk mods that you must play

copper nacelle
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have you considered that infinite grimm is nkg hard at a minimum

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and that they're in crossroads

hollow pier
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tbh fk is basically nkg

flat forum
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Where's my Infinite Grimm and not NKG

solemn rivet
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ptk knows what's up

torpid lantern
hollow pier
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infinite fk hollowwoke

flat forum
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Infinite Crawlid

young walrus
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Finite myla when

hollow pier
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basically just fury

torpid lantern
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so much typing

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stype

compact sedge
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touche but it's like through the fire and flames. everyone thought it was hard until it stopped being hard and everyone started kicking its butt @copper nacelle

solemn rivet
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I still suck at it

cunning lagoon
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that doesn't mean it's not hard

solemn rivet
copper nacelle
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that just means people got better

cunning lagoon
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^

torpid lantern
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Hey it could be harder

hollow pier
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fuck no the game got easier without any updates

compact sedge
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the new normal mode tho is even more designed to help you get better at the fight

hollow pier
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people didnt change

compact sedge
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somehow even more than before

young walrus
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Devs made the game easier

torpid lantern
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it could be the Demi-Fiend boss from SMT: Digital Devil Saga

solemn rivet
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from nerf pls

torpid lantern
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i think its that one

solemn rivet
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anyway, off to bed

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and you should too, 56

cunning lagoon
solemn rivet
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I know you're only one hour behind me

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👀

torpid lantern
young walrus
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Fire and the flames, but every note kills Myla

solemn rivet
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y u gotta h8 mick

torpid lantern
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You guys argue about bedtime and I'm just chillin in Australia

hollow pier
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can we kill myla on every frame

flat forum
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Mickely leave my Myla alone

torpid lantern
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#NotAllMylas

solemn rivet
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Fire and the flames but everytime myla dies it gets faster

flat forum
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It gets faster only oncr, but speeds up like x7

solemn rivet
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where dat myla mining gif

hollow pier
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mick route myla% nsoob when

flat forum
young walrus
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And the song loops infinitely

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Dude I just routed hundo. Chill. Lol

hollow pier
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its hella short

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just get cdash

solemn rivet
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AA does the installer work for you now, or is it still broken?

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The offline mode thingy

compact sedge
solemn rivet
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Ok

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Guess Mac won't be having offline mode then

compact sedge
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Psure it still doesn't even work on mac unless you added mac support

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because the mac paths are weird

solemn rivet
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Srsly tho, I'll try to add countermeasures in case it fails

compact sedge
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like there's no hollow_knight_Data folder

solemn rivet
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Oh

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Yeah

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But it should still work on Linux

compact sedge
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it does with the exception of offline mode, although with that said I'm sure the 4 linux users know how to install mods manually just fine.

solemn rivet
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Heh fair enough

compact sedge
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@rain cedar does the salt modding api have a language string hook?

rain cedar
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Yes

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Are you gonna mod that now?

compact sedge
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uh well I just started playing it and idk I should probably play more first but I guess it's not too late to make the ur mum gay mod

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wait does it have a real modding scene yet?

rain cedar
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No

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The API is kinda weak right now too I got distracted by games

compact sedge
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I should probably beat the game first and uh idk if I actually want to mod it I just kinda am curious about its capibilities

rain cedar
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Everyone playing death's gambit right now and you're playing salt

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Well you made the right choice anyway

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I think salt and sanctuary is a better game by a lot

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Death's gambit just has better sprites and sound

compact sedge
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Let's pretend I made a choice

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anyway I'm literally just starting it out and this is my modding vacation so I really shouldn't even be thinking about modding games

solemn rivet
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Sean knows what's up

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I'm playing Death's Gambit

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SS is way better in every sense

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parrying in DG is a nightmare

flat forum
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TFW you're too poor to afford either

solemn rivet
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do like half the people who come to modding-help asking for help

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expose your precious pc to malicious software

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voluntarily

flat forum
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And I find it very infuriating for some reason

compact sedge
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eh what the heck I'll make a salt mod

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it will be a small mod. all it will do is replace every occurence of Devara with Papers

rain cedar
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Nice

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Be sure not to change the message bottle stuff

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I should really make it so that's not even an option

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Because it crashes the game

solemn rivet
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add a custom Nail weapon to the game

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and you can pogo with it

flat forum
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Why are you replacing Devara with me?

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Who's Devara?

solemn rivet
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goddess iirc

flat forum
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So

compact sedge
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because you're the radiance and you are a wholesome af person who brings healing to the world.

flat forum
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You're replacing the Gods with me

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Wow

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And then you say I was the nice and wholesome person

solemn rivet
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urgh too much positiveness and wholesomeness in this channel

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we need sean and mick

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quick

compact sedge
flat forum
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Hey, Gradow

solemn rivet
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hey papers

flat forum
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You were here from way before me

solemn rivet
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I think so

flat forum
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How has the server changed after I came?

solemn rivet
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the whole server?

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dunno

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mostly people who come and go

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never noticed any particular changes since you first came, Papers

flat forum
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I'm not asking about anything big

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Maybe emoji changes?

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Channel stuff

solemn rivet
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uhhh

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were you here before the art channel split?

copper nacelle
solemn rivet
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were you here when I wasn't a modder yet?

compact sedge
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me or papers

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papers might have been but when I joined both 56 and you were both modders and people with the modder role.

flat forum
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You were already a modder I think

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I witnessed the splitting of both art and modding

compact sedge
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I saw that split too

flat forum
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And about role promotions...

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I only think I saw dogs and Hal's

compact sedge
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I remember when Maple was made a art mod

river eagle
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it was shortly after dogs and blackberry were made art mods

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actually I haven't seen Kerr here in a while...

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oh damn he hasn't posted anything in over a month

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last message is from 06/29/2018

flat forum
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Puppy's fault

compact sedge
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yeah I wasn't here when dogs and bkackberry were made art mods

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@rain cedar one more thing is there a way to serialize strings included with the modding api and if not how should I go about it?

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the salt one I mean

solemn rivet
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there were two big changes, AA, in this channel's history

rain cedar
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I haven't made any serializer

solemn rivet
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Lightbringer release and the creation of the API

river eagle
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How many are actually currently doing mods for HK?

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is it really just 56 and angle

solemn rivet
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and me

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and folders

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and ttacco

compact sedge
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Gradow's doing lots of active good work on the modinstaller

river eagle
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ah cool, what are you guys working on atm

compact sedge
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I'm actually taking a break since I just finished redwing cp1

copper nacelle
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dying on the inside cause tc's gonna buff all the bosses i want to buff

river eagle
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I haven't really followed the modding scene so I'm curious

copper nacelle
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pure vessel ree

flat forum
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I'm

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On a bit of a halt

solemn rivet
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I'm also taking a break

flat forum
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Because I obviously not going to finish it pre GnG

solemn rivet
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everyone is kinda burned out

compact sedge
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papers is killing all of hallownest and also sometimes doing art for redwing when I ask him.

flat forum
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Because I'm coming home on the 23rd

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And there's no way I can do it

solemn rivet
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I'm planning on making infinite mawlek in the future

flat forum
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So

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Post GnG dead hallownest

solemn rivet
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and add invulnerability for spells/nail to the modcommon

cunning lagoon
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what is this "GnG" you speak of

flat forum
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Yes

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It stands for

copper nacelle
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Gods n GMaster

flat forum
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Godnmastegr

compact sedge
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at one point I wanted to do another common library but I gave it up because I didn't actually wanna use it for anything other than redwing.

solemn rivet
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at some point I wanna make tentacle knight

flat forum
copper nacelle
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what

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but also i want it to be a surprise

solemn rivet
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shhh

compact sedge
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these are really lofty ambitions y'all. All I wanna do is eventually make it so you can teleport to grimmchild (and have it carry you around in the air) in grimmchild upgrades and help papers with some of the ambience in dead hallownest.

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  1. If you are building for Mac, change the second instance of salt.ModdingApi.mm.dll in the post-build events to Salt.ModdingApi.mm.dll (Capital S)

@rain cedar

why not just make it capital S to begin with since mac and linux are case sensitive and windows is not?

river eagle
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HK barely even runs on any Mac computers

rain cedar
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MonoMod is case sensitive

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And the windows exe is salt, mac is Salt

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It's fucking annoying

compact sedge
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ech

rain cedar
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There's no tell

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It's very barebones right now

compact sedge
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ok it works I know because I added my steam assemblies and it found the Modding namespace

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also where does the modlog go?

rain cedar
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Game folder

compact sedge
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oh not saves folder

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no wonder I couldn't find it

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if I could make a feature request. A symlinked latest.txt in the Mod Logs folder would be helpful to me.

rain cedar
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Sort by date

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Or name

solemn rivet
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am I just bad at parrying or is DG's parry system awful?

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ffs

rain cedar
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It's not good

copper nacelle
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it's awful

compact sedge
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uh no it's fine either way but my workflow for hollow knight is

tail -f ModLog.txt

and then it switches to the new one as soon as I relaunch the game, printing the line: File truncated between each HK launch

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so I'll just have to find an alternative command to do the same thing

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also the date format is all wrong and disgusting

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I mean it's in UTC which is nice but uh... anyone else have any thoughts on this date/time format? 08 15 2018 (22 39 02)

solemn rivet
rain cedar
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You can't put like any special chars in file names on windows

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So idk what else to put for the format

compact sedge
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2018-08-15T22:39:02 imo @rain cedar

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assuming : and - are valid chars in windows

rain cedar
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I'm fairly certain that : is not

compact sedge
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also maybe I'm a dungo but I don't see this line anywhere in the DialogueStringsLoaded hook. Maybe I missed the purpose of it and I should be using a different hook????

rain cedar
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And nah that's the dialog one

compact sedge
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then imo just do date with dashes and time with nothing so like 2018-08-15T223902

rain cedar
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Yeah I'll get around to it

compact sedge
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wait so that string should be appearing in the dialogue hook then?

rain cedar
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I would assume so, unless it's hard coded somewhere

compact sedge
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because I have this code:

foreach (LocPair p in dialog)
{
Logger.Log("Found string: [" + p.orig + "] = " + p.locStr[0]);
}

and can't find it (here's the modlog that code generated)

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actually Devara's name supposedly only comes up in 4 strings which seems too small for me.

rain cedar
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I see

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LocPair is only instantiated from one spot

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And it's where I hook

compact sedge
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is it time to pull out dnspy again?

rain cedar
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I'm looking through stuff in dnspy right now

compact sedge
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oh thanks

rain cedar
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Ok I see what I'm missing

compact sedge
#

ook well if there's anything I should do in my mod let me know

rain cedar
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The hook parameters will change slightly

compact sedge
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no problem just let me know when the commit with it fixed is live.

rain cedar
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I pushed it

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Untested but should be fine it's really simple

solemn rivet
#

You guys almost make me wanna mod SS

icy flare
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Alright i have a question about the randomizer mods. Are they full random or only partial.

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Like with the right seed could i get a pale ore from dung defender

young walrus
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Pale ore is not randomized

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Charms, movement, and spells are

icy flare
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For spells are they progression gated or can you grab the tier 2 spell before the tier 1

tranquil glen
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p sure if you pick up tier 2 it gives you tier 1

rain cedar
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They're additive

icy flare
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Alright, thanks

compact sedge
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the hook didn't change at all I take it?

rain cedar
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Same name yeah

compact sedge
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same args?

rain cedar
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No there's another

compact sedge
#

ok found it

compact sedge
#

I uh did a thing with sean's help. I'm not sure I should post this in the S&S discord because nobody there would get it.

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The smart person might say "Shouldn't you play more than 35 minutes of a game before modding it"

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I would respond "ShouLdN'T yOU pLAy MOrE than 35 MiNUteS of a gAMe befoRe mOddinG iT"

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Other dumb questions include: Why did I write it in 9 languages when I'm expecting myself, someone who uses english only, to be the only one to use it?

copper nacelle
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i should really finish salt

compact sedge
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Now to port redwing to salt (/s)

floral furnace
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saltwing

compact sedge
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I really hope this isn't the first API mod that isn't by sean because it's basically at the same level as the ur mum gay mod except infinity times less cancer.

copper nacelle
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:s/less/more

floral furnace
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what ur mum gay is one of the best overhaul mod in existance

compact sedge
#

ur mum gay changes more lines of text than any other mod in Hollow Knight

copper nacelle
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lmao

compact sedge
#

anyway this totally goes without saying but this game is really fun, would recommend

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I mean the art style is ugly af but other than that I'm really liking it

floral furnace
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doesnt it have issues with the map part of the game

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well thats what i remembered at least

solemn rivet
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not really

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it's really a great implementation of Dark Souls-esque combat/levelling in a metroidvania exploration/progression system

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WAY better than Death's Gambit cough cough

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I haven't played Death's Gambit that much yet, but so far the only things it does better than S&S is...

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graphics

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boss rematches

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hm...

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I think that's it

compact sedge
#

let me make infinite (whatever this game's grimm is) real quick

solemn rivet
#

I also like the idea of Tomes in Death's Gambit

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S&S?

compact sedge
#

IDK I only fought 1 boss in S&S

solemn rivet
#

hm...

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oh

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I know

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you want a fun, but challenging boss or an annoyingly broken hard boss?

compact sedge
#

bad news if this game has the latter

rose barn
#

there's salt and sanctuary discord?

compact sedge
#

there's like less people in it than the hallownest discord but yeah

rose barn
#

link?

compact sedge
solemn rivet
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it has both

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it's funny that my favorite and least favorite bosses in this game are so close to each other

solemn rivet
#

hey if you don't try to parry at all in DG the game is actually somewhat fun

copper nacelle
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the only guys you want to parry are the golden knights and the lightsaber dudes

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imo

solemn rivet
#

if I can't parry a boss why do I even fight it

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owlking best boss imo

rain cedar
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Owlking dies in 4 bombs

solemn rivet
#

yup

rain cedar
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Idk if you can parry it no point even trying

copper nacelle
#

you can parry the final boss apparently

floral furnace
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but does it have sad piano music /s

solemn rivet
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This is the Dark Souls of Dark Souls games

ornate rivet
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owlking is final boss

mild pumice
#

Hey guys, is the Bonfire Mod updated for Lifeblood?

exotic venture
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do you want the accurate answer or the answer you want to hear

mild pumice
#

The accurate one sounds nice

solemn rivet
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it is updated

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but not for the beta

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but it should still work tho

mild pumice
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Thanks, mate.

copper nacelle
broken nova
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no descriptive commit message, 10 points from Gryffindor

dusky lion
#

Did Banana do that commit?

copper nacelle
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@vagrant leaf is this u

vagrant leaf
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context

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what is context

copper nacelle
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discord.Context is an object passed to commands if pass_context is True

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attributes include .message and .command

compact sedge
#

hey 56 why did you blur out your own git commits

copper nacelle
clear zealot
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wait

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hollow knight has mods?

solemn rivet
#

No

floral furnace
#

just like lore, hollow knight has no mods /s

solemn rivet
#

This is the moderators channel

compact sedge
floral furnace
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yup pretty much

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but in all seriousness yeah there are mods

solemn rivet
#

Shhh don't give away our secrets

clear zealot
#

...

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K

compact sedge
#

tbh curse forge page when?

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but like, could we actually that would be sweet?

copper nacelle
#

put the installer on moddb when

floral furnace
#

justice for ur mum gay mod, removed in less than 2 days

copper nacelle
#

didn't even get an email

fossil oxide
copper nacelle
floral furnace
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oof

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inb4 i got spammed dieded too

tranquil glen
compact sedge
#

is this from the ur mum gay mod

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wow

copper nacelle
#

yes

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@dusky lion ascended god gorb

compact sedge
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are they fuckn serious

floral furnace
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it was removed in 2 days iirc

copper nacelle
#

yeah

dusky lion
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@copper nacelle void

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thats a teaser

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is what i mean

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what i mean is void will be involed

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what i mean is gorb is now void

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and yes it isnt lore friendly

copper nacelle
floral furnace
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who cares about lore in game that doesnt have one laugh track hilarious and original i know

vagrant leaf
#

infinite gorb

unborn sable
#

I may just be blind and missing something, making this a stupid question, but is there a readme somewhere that explains the randomizer options in-depth?

solemn rivet
#

they are pretty self-explanatory

unborn sable
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I can tell what they pertain to, obviously(all skills has something to do with skills, etc.), but I'm not sure how exactly they're modifying those item sets

solemn rivet
#

well

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if you select all skill, the mod has to randomize in such a way that collecting all skills is actually possible

unborn sable
#

Ah, that makes sense. I wasn't sure if it was instead forcing all skills to be randomized instead of having a few at preset locations to make stuff easier.

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Thanks!

solemn rivet
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also

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don't use Mag Skips, for obvs reasons

unborn sable
#

I'll admit that I'm new enough here and to the randomizer/speedrun HK community in general that I have no clue what those are, but based on the comments about them from other people I'll stay away 😛

tranquil glen
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They're skips that are basically impossible

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I dont think any of them have ever been done without going into super slow motion

unborn sable
#

Ah, so basically only TAS-viable skips.

tranquil glen
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Yeah, unfortunately you cant TAS hk sadgrub

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Also dont think any of these would be useful in a run anyway

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Think the ismas tear one was until 2 cycle uumuu was found

cunning lagoon
#

what does "mag" stand for?

tranquil glen
#

Magalor

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A guy who is known for finding hard skips

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Dunno if i spelled his name right tbh

cunning lagoon
#

o

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nice

copper nacelle
#

moglar5K

tranquil glen
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56 how many are there do you know?

copper nacelle
#

no

tranquil glen
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I can only think of the ismas tear one and the thorns of agony one

copper nacelle
#

check the rando logic file imo

tranquil glen
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Man im in bed on my phone

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Thats too much effort

copper nacelle
#

hhhhhhhhhhhh

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3

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wait no

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2

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one was in the switch

solemn rivet
#

mag skips? Dunno which ones sean implemented

copper nacelle
#

thorns and shape of unn

solemn rivet
#

but there's getting to Unn without Isma's, getting to Lurien without Isma's, getting to Isma's without CDash and getting thorns with just jump+VS

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the only one of those I can't do is isma's

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because it's actually insane

copper nacelle
#

thorns with just jump+vs

solemn rivet
#

I did it rta with debug

copper nacelle
#

wtf

solemn rivet
#

only used 3 vs tho

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so it's legit

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debug was only there to prevent me from dying and having to recover soul

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so it's not doable at all without debug

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like, getting Unn is already pretty bad

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and there's a nearby bench and Soul farming spot

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Lurien is also bad rta, but doable

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the only issue with doing it without infinisoul is that you have to go back and heal a lot

copper nacelle
#

hi griag

still hare
#

Graig is typing milliS

warped sinew
#

So I'm thinking about how I would rebalance the game lately and I was thinking the ghosts fights of lost kin/failed champ/tyrant should give you quick slash/strength/shaman

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Basically the combat charms as a reward for beating them

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Makes the game less cheese. A big problem (not with quick slash) is the most powerful combat charms are given too you in the first 30mins of the game

#

If you know where to go

hollow pier
#

so kill the speedrun more

compact sedge
#

hey graig when are you gonna make your balance mod?

warped sinew
#

Doesn't kill speed runs, just get good :p

still hare
#

It’s fine legacy will just become the main category

hollow pier
#

already is

still hare
#

Then what’s the point in worrying about the speedrun

warped sinew
#

I would love to make it now! But I gotta sit down and rebalance first. Also I want to really focus on charm setups, for instance the movement charms could be reworked, utility charms in general. I don't like the idea of a charm set up that rules all.

hollow pier
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remove the quickcast button

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easy balance

warped sinew
#

I was thinking iselda could upgrade the compass charm and bind it to the player for geo, things like that

#

But maybe only after corny has made a bunch of maps

compact sedge
#

you should make a document with a list of things you want changed some time.

warped sinew
#

Yeah I will make some notes

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I would like to run them past the modders

#

I think together we could make a pretty decent "remix mode"

compact sedge
#

ok well yeah definitely get the opinion of modders, they might have ideas about how to do things.

still hare
#

So you want to make a mini second quest from Zelda?

warped sinew
#

Yeah it would be fun. Rebalance boss HP and stuff like that. Make them faster, or slower etc.

#

The problem is one idea leads onto another and it gets out of control fast lol

cunning lagoon
#

haven't speedrunners suffered enough zote

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i do like the idea though

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inb4 irfan

fossil oxide
#

How about making the game in reverse. You start in The Abyss and work your way up to the sacred Dirtmouth. Where bugs are alive and well. At the end of the game you discover it was for nothing, like pouring cereal in a bowl when there is no milk left.

Inb4 DLKurosh

cunning lagoon
#

Wow That Is A Good Idea

fossil oxide
#

And the bosses are cereal too

#

SOUL will be MILK

copper nacelle
#

the bosses are overcoming your fears about eating cereal imo

flat forum
#

The bosses want to make cereal with things other than milk:
Orange juice
Water
Beer
Soy Sauce
Sqeezed Lemons

warped sinew
#

At the end you find out you were a piece of toast all along

#

Then it leads into that toast game

fossil oxide
#

Pitch that idea, thank.

tranquil glen
#

Wait i dont understand, what's the lurien withiut ismas one

flat forum
#

There's Lurien withoit wings

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The Isma-less is Monomon

solemn rivet
#

Oops yeah monomon

tranquil glen
#

Lurien without wings isn't a mag skip though

#

And yeah the monomon one is without ismas or cdash but you need wings right?

copper nacelle
#

iirc wings and sharp shadow

solemn rivet
#

^

#

It's pretty doable with practice

#

After mick lost a bingo rando race to sean because of this trick I practiced it a lot

#

Just to prove it was feasible

compact sedge
#

alright I'ma go set a bunch of records for my scoreboard so people actually have something to compete against

compact sedge
copper nacelle
#

wow taking stuff for your first try smh

compact sedge
#

got first place first try

copper nacelle
#

dlkurosh has 10k in one hit hard tho

#

wouldn't that go into hard as well

compact sedge
#

uh fuck idk probably

#

you can move it over if you want

compact sedge
copper nacelle
#

nice

compact sedge
copper nacelle
#

have you tried

#

not getting hit

#

also wtf this isn't even hard mode

#

r u ok

rain cedar
#

It's almost like he did those exact damage numbers on purpose

compact sedge
#

I made a normal 1 hit mode scoreboard

#

and I did that because normal mode now gets as hard as classic hardmode albeit at a slower rate

cunning lagoon
#

why do you fight him in steel soul what if you lose your save

slow fable
#

does enemy randomizer work on lifeblood?

compact sedge
#

yes

slow fable
#

so what do the restrictions and "quality of life" do in randomizer?

#

sorry for a billion questions

young walrus
#

keep you from finishing

#

and give you QoL gameplay upgrades

#

like... sell all

#

like they say

slow fable
#

ah

#

yes, ok, thanks

young walrus
#

so.... all skills restriction, you can't even enter the egg unless you find all the skills

#

same for the other things

compact sedge
#

Alright, so I just updated the modlinks so that my three (four) mods will now all download from my website: https://radiance.host , instead of from the google drive. Can someone please test that these still work (and that the dl speed is alright) by downloading any of them from the modinstaller? They did for me but I wanna be sure I set everything up right.

ornate rivet
#

they dont

#

jk

compact sedge
ornate rivet
#

it just links to the modinstaller though thinkgrub

compact sedge
#

anyway ignore the webpage itself, the links to the direct mods are not there, they should only be gotten by using the api installer

ornate rivet
#

but then whats the point

compact sedge
#
  1. so I can track the number of downloads I get
  2. because updating a website is easier than updating the google drive
  3. in case I ever get kicked off the google drive for whatever dumb reason ( I really seriously 100% doubt this would happen but I'd rather have an alternative)
  4. to advertise modding to people who aren't in this discord.
#

I'll write more articles about mods later, for now I only have 2

ornate rivet
#

ok then

compact sedge
#

anyway what I really need is for you or someone else to download any of them from the installer itself

#

just so I can be 100% sure it works

ornate rivet
#

isnt the modinstaller just the github file

compact sedge
ornate rivet
#

I did it

#

it took about 6 seconds

#

for both modcommon and black moth to be installed

compact sedge
#

no I'm not hosting those mods

#

I'm hosting only MY mods

#

redwing, redwingAssets, infinite grimm, grimmchild upgrades

ornate rivet
#

but black moth is on that page

compact sedge
#

yeah because I think it's a cool mod

ornate rivet
#

ok then

#

Redwing files ✅
Infinite Grimm ✅
Grimmchild upgrades ✅

compact sedge
#

cool thanks

compact sedge
#

anyway if other people want to host their mods on my site, they're more than welcome to (advantages include: tracking the number of downloads, the download bar working properly in the modinstaller [as soon as gradow actually fixes it], which it won't with google drive links no matter what he does, and in theory faster downloads)

But I've yet to setup a system to make it easy for anyone else to update their mods (and IDK how to). I guess I'll probably just make a github group or something if there's any interest and if not that's cool too.

copper nacelle
#

host mods on GitHub stay woke

compact sedge
#

rn the zip files are managed by git but I possibly probably may change that

#

I don't quite know how I wanna set it up in any case

#

I'm not gonna try to "solve" this "problem" if nobody wants to use it though.

#

wow discord pls

#

wtf

cunning lagoon
#

are you ok

compact sedge
#

no

fossil oxide
#

No he's Avenging Angle

cunning lagoon
#

fun boss

#

why the dabs thinkgrub

solemn rivet
#

Wut do I need to fix in the installer AA?

#

download bar is working m8

compact sedge
#

oh huh it wasn't working I blame lunix

#

does it also work for modcommon then?

solemn rivet
#

It should work for everything

compact sedge
#

huh ok weird because whenever I download stuff on google drive with a webbrowser I never see a total download size

#

it always says unknown whereas downloading from other places it does.

leaden hedge
#

it uses a similar download method to mega

warped sinew
#

Lol who made this?

fossil oxide
#

You did

warped sinew
#

Which one of you hates Grimm baby so much? sadgrub

floral furnace
#

grimmchilds voice is the only good reason/justification on why you should go for banishment tbh

exotic venture
#

this was made by someone else entirely since it doesn't use api

#

it literally just imports and exports the audio file but the volume is turned down to 0

#

aka why

warped sinew
#

Oh wow, a rogue modder

exotic venture
#

can't even call it a mod tbh

fossil oxide
#

Someone should have linked the mod installer

#

Too late now

solemn rivet
#

AA can you host the installer so we can track downloads?

compact sedge
#

I can host whatever but I need help figuring out how to make it so y'all can update your own files when there's an update.

solemn rivet
#

Oh

compact sedge
#

but since you're interested I'd be glad to think of something I just am not sure how best to do it. if you have any ideas though let me know.

#

Like I could give y'all accounts on the server but then you'd have to ssh in and like I don't think anyone here besides maybe 56 would be ok doing that. Alternatively I could make a github group and y'all could join it and I could make the server just try git pulling every once in a while but then you wouldn't be able to push updates quickly and it seems like a bad idea just hosting nothing but binaries over git.

copper nacelle
#

sftp is pretty easy

compact sedge
#

would it be easier for you people than ssh because if so I could set it up.

#

wait does it work over ssh?

copper nacelle
#

yes

#

that's why it's so easy

compact sedge
#

so how is it different or similar to scp?

copper nacelle
#

idk i don't use scp

compact sedge
#

ok

copper nacelle
#

it's like

#

sftp user@server

#

> put file

#

> get file

#

iirc

#

and there's cd and ls

#

not much else

compact sedge
#

ooh it's already installed

#

neat

copper nacelle
#

sftp is great

compact sedge
#

wow that's really easy ok

copper nacelle
#

i wish

compact sedge
#

no really tho why are there bots trying to access pages like shell.php, q.php xx.php etc.

#

I thought my server wouldn't be big enough to start being attacked

copper nacelle
#

idk

compact sedge
#

hey gradow are you ok using sftp for this?

copper nacelle
#

angle is this u

compact sedge
#

wow nice

solemn rivet
#

uhhh I can learn it

compact sedge
#

ok it's just ftp so I think and suspect it works with filezilla or something not 100% sure tho there should be some gui client for it on windows.

copper nacelle
flat forum
#

Lost Lord

#

more like

#

Lost King

copper nacelle
#

y e s

#

i did it

flat forum
#

congrats

copper nacelle
#

haven't added the transition so you can actually get out w/out quitting out yet tho

flat forum
#

56 u succ

#

u died in the first 13 seconds

copper nacelle
compact sedge
#

if I ever finish the arcade mod which I don't think I will would you be cool if I added this?

#

or is this just a part of QoL

copper nacelle
#

latter

compact sedge
#

ok

copper nacelle
#

tho i do plan on adding it to mantis gods

flat forum
#

aaa

compact sedge
#

oh right I need to get you a screenshot papers give me a sec

#

what color do you want grimmchild

flat forum
#

dark purplish red or smthn I dunno

#

you need Hex?

compact sedge
#

no

copper nacelle
#

rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)

flat forum
#

114 47 55

#

for RGB

copper nacelle
compact sedge
#

letm et try something better

#

also all the hazards are offset by one 56 so enemies are spikes, spikes are acid, etc.

copper nacelle
#

so does it just log lava

#

for all the acid

compact sedge
#

I forgot

flat forum
#

neat

compact sedge
copper nacelle
#

should i add debug log detour as a configurable mod to QoL

compact sedge
#

using 0.8 r 0.9 b 0.2 g

flat forum
#

yeah

#

really neat

#

how does it work

compact sedge
#

oh it's just changing the sprite's color mask

flat forum
#

can you make it WORK ON NKG?

compact sedge
#

yeah any enemy

#

but the problem is it can't make enemies MORE colorful or bright

#

only darker

copper nacelle
#

y

compact sedge
#

it can only remove color not add it

flat forum
#

add it to InfinitGrimm

copper nacelle
#

replace the color

#

ez

#

invert knight

flat forum
#

I want DarkGrimm

compact sedge
#

yeah I'd have to do what 56 suggested

copper nacelle
#

i'm about

#

10 seconds from modding grimm

compact sedge
#

56 send pr to infinite grimm

#

you can use your naming conventions idc

copper nacelle
#

hhh

#

effort

#

also should i add the debug thing or not

compact sedge
#

uh I don't think it's super useful but you can if you want

#

if it helps you add it

copper nacelle
#

cool

#

it was nice for setting this up cause i got actual errors

compact sedge
#

hey 56, grey god zote when?

flat forum
#

hey 56

#

GnG when?

#

made by you alone

copper nacelle
#

I'd buff zote but I don't particularly like the fight

compact sedge
#

to be tbh I only beat zote enough times to get bretta to leave

flat forum
#

buff Colosseum Zote and make him always appear

cunning lagoon
#

gpz is trash

#

imo

#

@copper nacelle i need that mod

#

give

copper nacelle
#

I've only done lost kin kinda

#

it'll be done soon

cunning lagoon
#

ree

#

will it work with wd?

copper nacelle
#

yes

cunning lagoon
#

sick

copper nacelle
#

all dream bosses + mantis gods

solemn rivet
#

56 it's bad if there's no way to leave the dream imo

#

Well, at least for people who can't beat the boss

#

(like me when I first faced Lost Kin)

cunning lagoon
#

you are stuck there until you get good

copper nacelle
#

i'm gonna add another transition

#

so you can walk out

empty salmon
#

ok so hi new boi here, do any of the mods work with lifeblood?

compact sedge
#

yes all of them in the installer work with lifeblood except: HPBar (obsolete, EnemyHPBars), Nightmare God Grimm (obsolete, InfiniteGrimm), and BossRush (obsolete in 5 days when godmaster comes out)

river eagle
#

also it seems like the boss respawning command in debug mod doesn't seem to be working on some bosses on lifeblood

rain cedar
#

Yeah 56 figured out it's because the stuff isn't active anymore so it doesn't get found

empty salmon
#

thanks all ^.^

stray mirage
#

any reason i got a notification here?

hazy sentinel
#

check the audit log

stray mirage
#

do i look like a doctor

compact sedge
#

hey veru can you do me a favor and check the audit log?

hexed swan
#

wait i can solve this problem

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@stray mirage wow it was me

stray mirage
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well there was also one in discussion

hexed swan
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fuc

proper phoenix
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Hey

compact sedge
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now, you're a rockstar

proper phoenix
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Ghost pinging is fun

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Isnt it?

compact sedge
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Ok you have my permission to cease

proper phoenix
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Mmmmm

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No

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Actually yes

compact sedge
proper phoenix
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Yeet

cunning lagoon
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compact mode

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ugh

proper phoenix
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Ikr

urban olive
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oh my god

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it's don cheadle

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i can't believe it

floral furnace
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still cant chain parry thk with this but that would involve removing the dslash animation or whatever, ps 56 up parry direction isnt random it just takes whatever last direction you were looking at

copper nacelle
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cyclone up when

fossil oxide
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Timestop mod when

floral furnace
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cyclone up feels awkard but whatever ill try it anyway

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also shit like superhot in HK just feels, meh so to say tbh. obviously doesnt fit the game imo

fossil oxide
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That isn't a time stop

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Stand when?

cunning lagoon
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how about a mod where grimm chases you through hallownest non-stop

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kinda like revek but it's grimm

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and when you get upgrades he gets more powerful and eventually becomes nkg

flat forum
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how about a mod that replaces a random Deepnest enemy in every room with Nosk

cunning lagoon
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so with the mothwing cloak he starts doing 2 masks of damage

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with the mantis claws he becomes nkg

flat forum
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wait

cunning lagoon
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and with the wings he gets the divekick into uppercut ngg does

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or something

flat forum
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DLK no

cunning lagoon
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Papers yes

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how do you make mods i'll make it

flat forum
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ask people who know what they're doing

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and not just delete doors

copper nacelle
copper nacelle
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@floral furnace h

floral furnace
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i mean the last time i did something like Instantiate(DashSlash.spawn(herocontroller.instance.position)) whatever and attached it to an attack hook, it only did it on the first slash

copper nacelle
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why do you have spawn and instantiate

floral furnace
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yeahhhhhhhhh

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i have no idea either

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hence instantiate them ONCE only right?

copper nacelle
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what