archived-modding-development

[cunning lagoon]

dodgeable

[compact sedge]

add death walls

[copper nacelle]

it is tho

[compact sedge]

and NKG spikes

[cunning lagoon]

is it

[copper nacelle]

yes

[flat forum]

and CG2 lasers to Lost Lord

[copper nacelle]

papers beat it when it was faster

[flat forum]

and Nosk's infection dropping attack

and The Collector's Jars

and The Radiance's Swords

and

[copper nacelle]

papers no

[flat forum]

wait

[cunning lagoon]

is it actually dodgeable or are you messing with me

[flat forum]

I'm out of things falling from the ceiling

[copper nacelle]

former

i mean

[cunning lagoon]

how

[floral furnace]

constant falling failed champ debri

[flat forum]

tell me more attack where things fall from the ceiling

[copper nacelle]

i wouldn't release if it wasn't dodgeable

[compact sedge]

all attacks dodgable at full speed*

*Assumes all movement abilities unlocked

[flat forum]

Ah, yeah

Failed Champ stuff

make Lost Lord not move, but the Ceiling dropping all those things

[copper nacelle]

i'll try and get a recording of me dodging it

[cunning lagoon]

ok i'll practice it tomorrow

[copper nacelle]

ok

[flat forum]

dodging what?

[copper nacelle]

mantis gods

[flat forum]

Ah

no

you don't dodge them

you die miserably

[trim totem]

but can you do them no jump

[floral furnace]

having undodgeable projectiles is good game design

[copper nacelle]

ironically

necro said first phase was easy

[flat forum]

AA, NKG with undodgeable attacks when?

[cunning lagoon]

yea first phase is fine

[compact sedge]

that exists papers

it's called NGG

[flat forum]

56, LostLord with Soul Tyrant 2nd Phase chasing infection balls when?

yeah

not all NGG attacks are dodgeable

or maybe I just suck

probably the latter

or maybe the ladder

[copper nacelle]

papers no

also getting a video of me dying to 2nd phase but dodging it for a bit maybe

[flat forum]

what no?

[copper nacelle]

what you reacted yes to

[flat forum]

I haven't reacted yes to anything

at all

totally

12/10

would recommend

[copper nacelle]

thinking

[cunning lagoon]

so would you say it's possible to do the mantis gods without taking damage

and without using the wall cheese

[copper nacelle]

should be

niko did it

[cunning lagoon]

great

whomst is niko

[copper nacelle]

did all bosses hitless and pop hitless and tof hitless

then mantis gods v1 hitless

then this version hitless

[cunning lagoon]

o

[copper nacelle]

then left the server and deleted all their videos

[cunning lagoon]

does he happen to have a youtube channel

oh

[flat forum]

why?

Why did Niko delete?!

[copper nacelle]

i mean it still has the minecraft hackers video

i guess

[floral furnace]

awww

no wonder he just poofed off this server

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

reeee

i need the strats

[floral furnace]

face tank everything is the only strat

[copper nacelle]

no damage face tank

stay woke

[flat forum]

Face tanking, except dodging every attack

[copper nacelle]

@cunning lagoon https://youtu.be/iEQ3aI-7SQk

i really suck at dodging them tbh

near the end it's a bit better

[compact sedge]

you play like I do

[cunning lagoon]

i see

boi that's gonna be hard

[copper nacelle]

yes

i should really have a video where i actually beat them

[cunning lagoon]

ok then disregard my statement about the second phase being stupid

[copper nacelle]

wow nice

[cunning lagoon]

i'll keep practicing and tell you when i get good

[autumn rock]

you play like I do

[copper nacelle]

tbh it feels really undodgable at first

[flat forum]

ʸᵒᵘ ᵖˡᵃʸ ˡᶦᵏᵉ ᴵ ᵈᵒ

[copper nacelle]

do you want the fixed arena thing

fixed normal arena

[cunning lagoon]

sure

[copper nacelle]

ok

gimme 10s to test it

i never tested the original normal arena thing

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

[copper nacelle]

u see

you just test in prod

works 100% of the 20% of the time

[trim totem]

i want the arena with spikes

[copper nacelle]

gdi

[trim totem]

is that there

[copper nacelle]

that's on the gdrive rn

[cunning lagoon]

jumpless mantis gods

[trim totem]

thanks dad

[flat forum]

ᴵ ʷᵃⁿᵗ ᵗʰᵉ ᵃʳᵉⁿᵃ ʷᶦᵗʰ ᴸᵒˢᵗ ᴸᵒʳᵈ ᵗʰᵃᵗ ʰᵃˢ ᴺᵒˢᵏ ᵇᵘᵇᵇˡᵉˢ ᵃⁿᵈ ˢᵒᵘˡ ᵀʸʳᵃⁿᵗ ᶠᶦʳᵉᵇᵃˡˡˢ

[copper nacelle]

if you somehow do jumpless mantis gods

idk

i'll be beyond astonished tbh

[flat forum]

ʸᵒᵘ'ˡˡ ᵃᶜᵗᵘᵃˡˡᵗʸ ᶠᶦⁿᶦˢʰ ᴸᵒˢᵗ ᴸᵒʳᵈ ᵇᵉᶠᵒʳᵉ ᵗʰᵉ ʰᵉᵃᵗ ᵈᵉᵃᵗʰ ᵒᶠ ᵗʰᵉ ᵘⁿᶦᵛᵉʳˢᵉ

[copper nacelle]

ree

[trim totem]

what i really want is mantis lords with traitor lord

[flat forum]

ʸᵉˢ

[cunning lagoon]

and cloth sides with them

and the radiance shows up

[copper nacelle]

is this good

[flat forum]

ʷᵃᵗ

ᴾʰᵃˢᵉ ³ ᵀʳᵃᶦᵗᵒʳ ᴸᵒʳᵈ ˢʰᵒʷˢ ᵘᵖ

[cunning lagoon]

seems good

[flat forum]

ᴬᴬ, ᵍᶦᵃⁿᵗ ᴺᴷᴳ ʷᶦᵗʰ ˢʰᵒᶜᵏ ʷᵃᵛᵉˢ ʷʰᵉⁿ?

[copper nacelle]

cease

the tiny text

🔫

the formatting is all wrong

spacing is inconsistent

and the i(s) don't have dots

[floral furnace]

w o a h calm down mr number man 😎

[flat forum]

ᵃˢ ˡᵒⁿᵍ ᵃˢ ᶦᵗ ᵐᵃᵏᵉˢ ʸᵒᵘ ᵐᵃᵈ ᴵ'ˡˡ ᶜᵒⁿᵗᶦⁿᵘᵉ ᵈᵒᶦⁿᵍ ᶦᵗ, ᵃˢ ᶦᵗ ᵃᵐᵘˢᵉˢ ᵐᵉ ʷᵃᵗᶜʰᶦⁿᵍ ʸᵒᵘ ᴬⁿᵍᴱᴿʸ

[trim totem]

i don't really want to do jumpless i just like the normal arena

[copper nacelle]

o

adding the option rn to be tbh

are the blanks better

or just removing the damagehero from the spikes

so you could just walk on them

[cunning lagoon]

can't you just like

put normal floor

[copper nacelle]

agony

[cunning lagoon]

blanks are better i guess

[copper nacelle]

wait

[cunning lagoon]

spikes would be kind of confusing to someone who does't know that you can stand on them

i guess

[copper nacelle]

i think i've got a floor now

this look good?

[cunning lagoon]

yup

[cunning lagoon]

that was fast

ty

[copper nacelle]

yw

it also kills the mantises in the room

for convenience

@trim totem this version has configurable spikes and stuff

if you want it

[trim totem]

thank you

[copper nacelle]

yw

[trim totem]

do i need to beat the mantis lords first

[copper nacelle]

ye

[trim totem]

kk

[warped sinew]

god damn last phase is legit

[cunning lagoon]

12 lower than mine

it is hard as fuck

[trim totem]

ngg?

[warped sinew]

what build u using kurosh?

[cunning lagoon]

fstrength, spell twister, dashmaster, longnail, soul catcher iirc

really suboptimal but oh well

[warped sinew]

yeah me too lol

down dash is actually not bad

[cunning lagoon]

i've been thinking about replacing longnail and soul catcher for soul eater but i kinda like the range for pogos

yeah absolutely

[warped sinew]

nah i think you need the range

i though about it too

sometimes you get a pogo then go for the second hit ion the air

but you out of range cos of spikes

the longer nail is good for that

[cunning lagoon]

do you plan on killing him or are you fighting him just for kicks

[warped sinew]

honestly i only played it cos you played it

i like the one hit time attack mode the best

[cunning lagoon]

hmm i like both a lot

i don't think i can pick one

[flat forum]

What the actual fuck

I day we ban DLK, Graig, KDT and Veru from the general board and move them to their own special "Godhome" board

[warped sinew]

ok thats enough NGG for me

Now i'm off to get Chemo

[flat forum]

make sure GnG is good

[floral furnace]

gng wont be good, itll be the goodest

[flat forum]

wrong use of english:
Goodest (adj.)
All Puppos and Puppers and Doggos

[elder mesa]

how 2 unbind in debug menu

[flat forum]

#archived-modding-help

[floral furnace]

Finally 100% done with this bullshit but we do what we must for memes

also isnt there something about using modcommon in your mods

[solemn rivet]

wdym

[floral furnace]

doesnt modcommon have like a disclaimer or something about "please message me if your mod uses modcommon" i dont know, maybe i remembered it incorrectly

[compact sedge]

uh if it does it's fully optional

[floral furnace]

oh ok good to know

[marble scarab]

any good mods

[flat forum]

#archived-modding-help

[marble scarab]

fuck ur right

[rain cedar]

Trick question they all suck

[compact sedge]

Redwing assembly just grew from 90KB to 188KB.... just by adding lore.

[copper nacelle]

should lost kin's aerial dash combo into dstab into upslash

or just into dstab

[hazy sentinel]

make lost lord take no damage from hits except during stagger

[copper nacelle]

he doesn't stagger

[hazy sentinel]

make him stagger every 100 nail hits

vulnerable for 1 attack during stagger

really good idea trust me

[copper nacelle]

sounds good

[hazy sentinel]

i've been developing games for 0 years

[compact sedge]

make him heal if you haven't attacked him in the last 1.5 seconds

[hazy sentinel]

o shit

[trim totem]

what boss are u working on

[copper nacelle]

lost kin

dstab -> upslashing is terrifying

therefore

it should definitely be added to aerial dashes

[hollow pier]

make him expand to fill the whole room

easy difficulty

[compact sedge]

why doesn't lost lord have death walls yet?

[trim totem]

how's it look so far 56

[copper nacelle]

pretty good imo

[trim totem]

can u video

[copper nacelle]

ye

lemme adjust some timings

also i found like 6 more fsms

@trim totem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg9kN1buJK4

2nd phase gets the balloon spawns

i only survived long enough for one spawn tho

[hollow pier]

hell mod haha

[trim totem]

interesting

[buoyant obsidian]

I just realized that random blue text is Verulean talking

[copper nacelle]

random blue text?

[buoyant obsidian]

In the house of

[copper nacelle]

oh

[buoyant obsidian]

now he just needs a blank name

and he'll cease to exist entirely

[copper nacelle]

he had that for a while

[buoyant obsidian]

then give him a blank role

[hollow pier]

753 doesnt check discord

[buoyant obsidian]

shhh

[compact sedge]

woah

[hollow pier]

woah

[final bough]

yay infinite grimm! , now I just need my controller to work

is it normal for this to happen? Im better with a controller

[copper nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454877472257736715/470836570510065665/Assembly-CSharp.dll

this might work

worked for banana

no clue why

[hazy sentinel]

#archived-modding-help was a good idea guys

[warped sinew]

@compact sedge update the high score for NGG plz

[compact sedge]

ok

[warped sinew]

I didn't get cancer for nothing

!!!

[copper nacelle]

caner

he's already dying

[warped sinew]

Haha my brainnnz

[compact sedge]

ok done

[warped sinew]

That last phase lol

Though I think its possible with enough practice

[copper nacelle]

my ngg score on the leaderboard is entirely 2nd phase

[compact sedge]

56 did more than 800 damage worth of damage on that mode but not with the first 3 phases

[floral furnace]

Little does Graig know that NGG is actually a ploy to harvest GnG data while he plays

[compact sedge]

eh GnG is overrated. The Grimm Troupe expansion is where it's at

[copper nacelle]

eh tgt is overrated. The base game is where it's at

[floral furnace]

Hidden Memes is the best just for the Hidden Station alone

[tranquil glen]

eh the base game is overrated. The demo is where it's at

[copper nacelle]

truth

[compact sedge]

what if the base game is the demo

[copper nacelle]

🤔

[compact sedge]

It has this line in the asset files: General + SNEAK_PEEK + This Sneak Peek is taken from an unfinished build of Hollow Knight and does not represent final performance.

[floral furnace]

We were beta testers all along from the start

[copper nacelle]

GnG is the real game

[solemn rivet]

Hollow Knight is just Hungry Knight 2 beta

[warped sinew]

GnG > all

Tho I do like me some of dat sweet IG

[compact sedge]

IGnG

[copper nacelle]

NGG > all

[floral furnace]

That is until Infinite Shrumal Ogre arrives

[autumn citrus]

is there any RandomMod hardest seed? thank you

1.2.2.1

[compact sedge]

Anyone know if there's a way to set this in code without reflection? Seems like something that's serialized only.

ok so uh... it works until the enemy turns around and then it stops working but if they turn around a second time it starts working again?

[warped sinew]

Magic code

[copper nacelle]

why do you hate reflection

ree

[flat forum]

The same reason everyone hates me
It's ugly and it's too hard to get it to work

[compact sedge]

Alright so this is kinda a longshot, but can we get a folder in the google drive for meme mods?

1. so we have a place to contain them all.
2. so they aren't lost into the discord ether.

They wouldn't (and probably shouldn't) need to be added to the modinstaller or anything. I'm thinking just like putting them in the drive so people can find and download them manually if they want.

[cunning lagoon]

@warped sinew there it is

[warped sinew]

Nice, did you die or time run out?

[cunning lagoon]

i died in the stupidest way

[warped sinew]

I know the feeling :(

[cunning lagoon]

i had 1:26 remaining

[warped sinew]

Hmm maybe 15k is posible

[cunning lagoon]

not with my strats

i could try to push it to 11-12k but that would be my limit

[warped sinew]

What's your build?

[cunning lagoon]

fstrength, mop, spell twister, longnail, fotf

i could give up either of the range upgrades (or both) for something

i saw your quickslash steady body strats that's very solid for the beginning

but you barely have openings to hit him when he gets fast

[warped sinew]

Yeah that's true

[unborn pollen]

does even normal mode speed him up?

[cunning lagoon]

yeah normal mode goes up to 3x speed i think

[unborn pollen]

maaan

[warped sinew]

What's hard mode do now?? I think it speeds up faster?

[unreal kiln]

nope not gonna try it

[warped sinew]

Like more often right?

[cunning lagoon]

he has random spikes at 1.5k damage, death walls at 4k and ngg spikes at 7k

[unborn pollen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/335296560067772417/474472756222754826/unknown.png

well this was my first attempt

[cunning lagoon]

that's a solid scor3e

[unborn pollen]

wish there was a mode where he didn't speed up though

[cunning lagoon]

for a frist attenot

you can change it in the settings

[unborn pollen]

settings? like ingame menu or no

[cunning lagoon]

go to wherever your save files are

and open InfiniteGrimm.Config or something

[unborn pollen]

ah

[cunning lagoon]

InfiniteGrimm.GlobalSettings

[unborn pollen]

well now it feels like cheating since others dealt with the speed

[cunning lagoon]

if you change the max dance speed to 1.0 it should be like vanilla nkg

[unborn pollen]

i like taking sharp shadow against him though, glad I added it

since you don't have to have grimmchild for this

[warped sinew]

3910 good score!

[cunning lagoon]

i wouldn't take sharp shadow

the inconsistent dash length drives me nuts

[unborn pollen]

i normally only dash while it's off cd

dash through his uppercut to also do damage to him

[warped sinew]

I would say being at 4k damage on nkg puts you at like 0.001% of players

[unborn pollen]

walk slightly backward during bat attack

[cunning lagoon]

fuck this fight

[flat forum]

DLK

I am going to move you into a separate leaderboard with Graig and stuff

called Godhome

so you can give the mortals a chance

[cunning lagoon]

papers you are too nice

[flat forum]

No U

[steep sail]

lul

DLK
I am going to move you into a separate leaderboard with Graig and stuff
called Godhome
so you can give the mortals a chance
````ᴬˢᵐᵃˡˡᴳⁱᵃⁿᵗᶠᵃⁱˡᵘʳᵉ - 02-08-2018 13:23 | #modding`

[exotic venture]

it's not a leaderboard made by AA tho so it's basically fake

[compact sedge]

alright I'm thinking I'm gonna move all the old scores to a classic scores page and create some new ones for the new modes

Ok I made some changes to the scoreboard to reflect the new modes. Also removed normal mode from the board because it's truly infinite once you get good enough at it.

Classic scores are still there but I moved them to the right since they require downpatching to get

[solemn rivet]

Nice pfp

[dire skiff]

I have lifeblood 1.3.3.7 what list has the compatible mods

[copper nacelle]

[young walrus]

[dire skiff]

pls halp

[copper nacelle]

#archived-modding-help

[compact sedge]

wtf why is my readme.txt completely blank on the google drive

I uploaded a legit file

ech I'll just paste it into a google drive document

What if I made it so you could change NKG's color.

What if you could make him pure black for extra challenge and memes?

[flat forum]

hahayes

[copper nacelle]

[flat forum]

Infection King Grimm

that has Nosk's bubbles falling from the ceiling

[autumn rock]

what

[flat forum]

because 56 didn't want to include it in LostLord

[compact sedge]

Oh I meant pure green

as a favor to relik

[autumn rock]

wow pfp

[flat forum]

or has Soul Tyrant's 2nd phase random chasing bullet things

because 56 didn't want to include that in LostLord either

or NKG with CG2 lasers

[autumn rock]

TTT.mp4 when

[copper nacelle]

[normal oriole]

what's going on with the mods and such today

[flat forum]

BECAUSE 56 DIDN'T WANT TO ok you get the point

[compact sedge]

me working on redwing

after I finish a final

[normal oriole]

what that

[copper nacelle]

HK easy mode

[compact sedge]

56 stahp

[copper nacelle]

[compact sedge]

it's a fire mod

[normal oriole]

oh

[compact sedge]

it gives you fire powers

quite a few

[flat forum]

NKG but slower and without fire pillars or fire left behind?

[normal oriole]

I c

[compact sedge]

it's soon gonna be a total conversion

if you can call it that

idk

it has its own story and lore and soon assets too the last of these entirely thanks to papers

[autumn rock]

its own lorr

like it

[copper nacelle]

lore

[warped sinew]

Instead of recolour nkg do the knight plz

[compact sedge]

I want kdt to make me a mesh for the knight so I can recolor parts of it

[warped sinew]

I just want an inverted one

[compact sedge]

otherwise I'm stuck recoloring the entire thing

which means I can't invert it

:(

I mean

[warped sinew]

Would look great with black mask, white eyes, white cape. Still black body tho

[compact sedge]

I bet it's possible without a mesh but IDK how cuz I'm bad at code

[warped sinew]

Hmm maybe white body... Id have to look at an actual picture to decide.

Black nail. God he would be cool

What a cool guy

[copper nacelle]

@compact sedge hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

what

[compact sedge]

hmm

[cunning lagoon]

this is so sad can we hit kdt

[compact sedge]

woah

that's

no way

You're gonna do it...

[cunning lagoon]

that's the plan

i saw some dumbass in #hk-discussion yesterday saying that it was not possible post lifeblood

[compact sedge]

you'd better record a video btw

[cunning lagoon]

so i kinda want to prove them wrong

[compact sedge]

when you get 3.2k

[cunning lagoon]

ye i always record everything

[flat forum]

Hey, AA, what's the message after getting 3.2k?

[copper nacelle]

have u heard

[compact sedge]

not that interesting

[copper nacelle]

of GitHub

[dark wigeon]

is kdtbot a real bot

[flat forum]

Effort

[compact sedge]

yeah it tells you your score

[copper nacelle]

@ KDT#7539 r u a bot

don't lie

[dark wigeon]

kdt please

[compact sedge]

it's my silicon reconstruction of the real kdt

[copper nacelle]

can it do darkroom nkg tho

[dark wigeon]

@​KDT#7539

see no full width space

[copper nacelle]

zero width space?

[dark wigeon]

google be like "you've been to this page many many times"

too lazy to open ahk script

[copper nacelle]

http://utility.eastsidelag.com

courtesy of 753

[dark wigeon]

well basically the same thing but not that one specifically

I had a macro that replaces :nws: or :!: with one

[copper nacelle]

yeah the other half the time I just copy it from the preview on one of the unicode info sites

[compact sedge]

​

[dark wigeon]

​

[copper nacelle]

​

[dark wigeon]

someone should make an ai to play ig then

[compact sedge]

How about this: Anyone willing to actually go through the effort to build a bot to compete gets their score added if it's open source.

just the programmer tho, anyone who just downloads that bot and tries for their own score won't.

and it will be added under the bot's name

[cunning lagoon]

am i gonna have to compete against bots

[compact sedge]

no

nobody's gonna bother

[cunning lagoon]

lol

[compact sedge]

trust me we can't even beat super mario bros 1 with ai

what hope does NKG have?

(and yes I am trying to provoke y'all to prove me wrong)

[copper nacelle]

what can the bot see

everything?

[compact sedge]

well if you write it with the modding api probably

[copper nacelle]

no i mean what's allowed

[compact sedge]

hmm

good point

[copper nacelle]

can i read the fsm state off of grimm and then predodge everything

[compact sedge]

Let's say everything and if this becomes a real thing I can make a bot category

and by everything I mean

[copper nacelle]

fuck that reminds me

[compact sedge]

use the modding api and go nuts

[copper nacelle]

i really gotta do what kdt asked

[compact sedge]

but no hacking the game

just reading values and inputting inputs for the knight

[copper nacelle]

all glitches or nmg

[compact sedge]

nmg imo

it's longer but probably easier to learn

[copper nacelle]

can you even get invulnerability storage on lb

[compact sedge]

only if you believe hard enough

anyway how about this for the bot

[copper nacelle]

i'll take that as ask mickley

downpatch and beat original ngg using the bot ez

[dark wigeon]

There's already an ai library for games

Give it a set of inputs and a reward and leave it to go by itself

[compact sedge]

Ok here's my bot rules if you all really wanna do this:

No major glitches, aka nothing that would be against the NMG speedrun section.
No setting vars outside of keyboard/controller inputs
You are allowed to force the maximum timescale to be 0.02 if you want more reliability but nothing else.
You can read any values you want with reflection or otherwise.
Publish any code used to do this under an open source license.

[dark wigeon]

Tbh you could make a bot without ever modding the game

Would be harder tho

[copper nacelle]

do you have to use keyboard inputs

[compact sedge]

what else would you use?

[dark wigeon]

But really the ai would start by jumping like crazy and running around and later it would become a pro

[copper nacelle]

HeroController.instance.Move() or whatever

[compact sedge]

you can do it however but it has to be identical to inputting keys

so no just calling Move() 1200 times in one frame

[dark wigeon]

Sounds good

I don't even know where to get this mod .-.

[cunning lagoon]

AA would it be possible to make NGG actually die at 3.2k damage

[dark wigeon]

Pinned msgs probably

[compact sedge]

yes but then it wouldn't be infinite and my leaderboard wouldn't make sense

[cunning lagoon]

ok

[copper nacelle]

add that as an option imo

[flat forum]

make a "Mortal" bool

[dark wigeon]

Does he have to be defeated for the mod to work

[flat forum]

that turns off the infinite thing

[dark wigeon]

Both or just first?

[compact sedge]

oh shoot there is the problem I guess that if you get to 3200 it wouldn't make as interesting a video as if he died

[cunning lagoon]

yea

i don't care that much either way

[flat forum]

Make a "Mortal bool"
that turns off the infinite thing

Several people are typing...

[dark wigeon]

zero people typing...

[copper nacelle]

no u

[dark wigeon]

Is typing

[flat forum]

no one is typing...

[compact sedge]

ok I can't test mods right now because I'm playing oneshot does anyone have HK and debugmod ready to go and like 3 minutes of time?

[copper nacelle]

y

[dark wigeon]

Can't you play oneshot and hk at same time? Wow sad

[compact sedge]

ok this is not gonna be an official binary but this is infinite grimm but NGG dies... in theory. someone go make their nail do 1000 damage and tell me if it works

the player should die right afterwards so don't make yourself immortal kthx

or do because ngg is hard

[cunning lagoon]

i just noticed this save is at 111 hours and 11 minutes

[compact sedge]

I'll add mortal NGG later as an option but I don't like making people reset their options files and you're the only one who will even get to 3.2k so it doesn't really matter

[cunning lagoon]

graig could probably do it if he wanted to

[copper nacelle]

do you have a video of that 31--

[cunning lagoon]

it's lost in a sea of failed attempts

[copper nacelle]

darn

[cunning lagoon]

he died

thanks ♥

[copper nacelle]

wow i was too slow

[compact sedge]

you have 4 seconds after killing NGG to turn off invuln mode

[cunning lagoon]

32 is the damage the nail should be doing right

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[cunning lagoon]

with strength

ok

[compact sedge]

21 * 1.5 ye

[copper nacelle]

why do you only have 4 seconds

tho

[compact sedge]

because I don't want it sending the player back outside the tent

because if it did send them outside the tent

you wouldn't see your score

[cunning lagoon]

what does that have to do with godmode

[copper nacelle]

takedamage one million maybe

[cunning lagoon]

i don't get it

was the hitbox of the spikes made bigger or something

i swear trinomi doesn't get hit by things that i get hit by

i might just be losing my mind

[compact sedge]

yes but it's not that mine is harder it's that kdt's was sorta easier

for his the spikes would get pushed back to z = 1 so long as no fire was on screen

and z = -1 if there was

so most of the time the spikes were farther back than they should be

[cunning lagoon]

lame

[copper nacelle]

why would you willingly make ngg harder

[compact sedge]

higher z values = farther back

mine are always z = -0.0001 which is about as small as I can make them while still having them appear in front of the fire

for KDTs one if there was fire on screen the spikes would actually be even bigger

which is why they look so dumb in trinomi's video sometimes

[copper nacelle]

death works tho

[cunning lagoon]

damn

congrats

[compact sedge]

congrats on using debugmod

anyway thanks

I can take out the death if that'd be better

this isn't a binary I wanna ship just something for a video

the player death I mean

[cunning lagoon]

oh i didn't notice that was a thing

i don't really care

[copper nacelle]

watch kdt suddenly play it and beat it

[compact sedge]

hello youtube!

this one has no player death

would recommend

[cunning lagoon]

ok

thanks

[copper nacelle]

what does it do instead of the death

[compact sedge]

uhhh

idk I guess you get sent back outside the tent

probably

haven't tested

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

[compact sedge]

it should happen that way

but no promises

[cunning lagoon]

i'll test it real quick

[copper nacelle]

same

biggest think

[compact sedge]

ngg doesn't set your damage record

because it expects you to have a higher one from normal play

wontfix bc too lazy

[cunning lagoon]

it works

[compact sedge]

ok now go break some world records

[cunning lagoon]

prob not gonna happen today

im a bit tired but i'll try

[compact sedge]

set a sleeping wr

[cunning lagoon]

blindfolded ngg kill no spells

[compact sedge]

(I mean you probably fight NKG in your dreams at this point anyway given how much you fight him in real life)

[copper nacelle]

yeah you just get sent outside the tent

[cunning lagoon]

i actually had a dream about ngg today

i woke up excited because i thought i beat him

[compact sedge]

I'm 100% not surprised

[cunning lagoon]

and ig also showed up in my dreams after the 6h fight

[compact sedge]

but is it your dreams... or your nightmares :grimmthink:

[copper nacelle]

why is this abgr

oh i'm dumb

nice

wow my code failed

wow i crashed the game

@compact sedge

good invert

definitely what i intended

[compact sedge]

to be tbh what I expected.

[copper nacelle]

echREE

[compact sedge]

cmon shit never works first time in this game

or with unity

it's kinda a pattern

[copper nacelle]

yeah but i expected it to not be entirely white

[compact sedge]

so whenever I write code for the first time there's always a few hopeful seconds before I run the game where I pretend like it will actually work perfectly

[copper nacelle]

this makes sense, right?

[compact sedge]

uh is that what's giving you the white knight?

[copper nacelle]

probably

nope

[compact sedge]

cuz it looks good to me

[copper nacelle]

something here

[compact sedge]

assuming you only run it once

[copper nacelle]

this sprite sheet looks great

true dark mod

[floral furnace]

is that the post credit content after dream no more

[copper nacelle]

yes

[compact sedge]

finally

[copper nacelle]

why can't these textures just be r/w

ree

[compact sedge]

why can't anything in unity be r/w

[copper nacelle]

re

oh fuck

i forgot to set it active

before copying

reee

love waiting 10 minutes for my game to load while this loops

nearly got it i think

only takes 50 years to launch your game now

[compact sedge]

oh does it process every knight sprite

one pixel at a time

[copper nacelle]

yes

[compact sedge]

that's a giant image too no

[copper nacelle]

yes

and you have to copy it twice

[compact sedge]

reminds me of something

[copper nacelle]

:ech:

[compact sedge]

I used to make 25 fire pillars each about 1000 px tall and 200 wide

now I make 4

200px tall

and 50 wide

[copper nacelle]

nice

also my inverting did nothing

literally didn't invert

[compact sedge]

darn

[copper nacelle]

does copy now tho

[compact sedge]

well if it did work maybe we could have used it as a cheap and hacky way to recolor certain parts of the knight

[copper nacelle]

going to get it to work

echree

[cunning lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKjEKBKnXvY

impossible in lifeblood my fucking ass

you better fucking put this on the scoreboard even if it's not infinite

[copper nacelle]

@leaden hedge

congrats

[cunning lagoon]

thanks!

[copper nacelle]

wtf

[cunning lagoon]

big think

he's a friend

[copper nacelle]

o

[floral furnace]

its obviously fake tho i can see you use noclip at the end /s

[cunning lagoon]

[copper nacelle]

this thing hates me

it won't invert

definitely doing something'

also clyde blocked this at first

wtf

looks inverted to me

[flat forum]

@cunning lagoon what charms did you use?

[cunning lagoon]

fstrength, spell twister, soul eater and

i forgot

dashmaster

[flat forum]

also what is this black magic I keep getting extremely shit spikes

[copper nacelle]

u ever forget texture2d.apply exists

[flat forum]

it's some luck I guess

[copper nacelle]

you ever have such bad code that hk takes 5 years to load

holy shit

@warped sinew as requested https://youtu.be/PMYI38Waqbw

[cunning lagoon]

yea the spikes can be really stupid sometimes

i got a few unlucky formations a few times

[copper nacelle]

@compact sedge h

no mesh

[flat forum]

I constantly get spikes like at 1:34

by the way, the audience and stuff is gone, is that a new version?

[cunning lagoon]

that's an easy one

yes activate the lag reduction options

[copper nacelle]

it's almost like you have reduce lag on

[flat forum]

I had it turned on on an older version

it did nothing

that's why I guessed it's a newer one

[copper nacelle]

i could've had this working like

an hour ago

if i remembered you have to apply

[cunning lagoon]

1:19 is a stupid spike formation

i got saved by the stagger because i'm fairly sure DD wouldn't have activated in time

[compact sedge]

56 this is beautiful and I'm stealing this code if you don't mind

[copper nacelle]

wow robbed

[compact sedge]

not fully I wanna do something cool with it

anyway

holy crap

get fuckn rekt trinomi

and kdt

[cunning lagoon]

lol

[copper nacelle]

wow i fixed it

it only takes 6 extra seconds to load now

yeet

[compact sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKjEKBKnXvY @void tree @leaden hedge

[copper nacelle]

i already pinged kdt to be tbh

[floral furnace]

is this the edge knight resprite

[copper nacelle]

idk

blame graig

[floral furnace]

[cunning lagoon]

i do wonder though

why did he ruin the mod by making that stupid second phase

[copper nacelle]

trinomi said it was too easy iirc

[cunning lagoon]

the first phase is super fun and fair

lmao

[copper nacelle]

h

[compact sedge]

trinomi said it was too eazy and he couldn't even beat the final NGG

[copper nacelle]

this looks sick

[river eagle]

Cool, so is this the first time someone has managed to beat NGG unsegmented?

[copper nacelle]

yeah

should i make the invert thing a mod

i just threw it in one of my monobehaviours

[cunning lagoon]

is that even a question

of course you should

[compact sedge]

yes it's finally been done

at least make the invert thing a gist on github

or something

[copper nacelle]

gonna make it a mod cause graig wanted it and dlkurosh said yes

[river eagle]

Why make it a mod when you could just turn on a negative color filter on your monitor

ez

[copper nacelle]

[compact sedge]

so why'd it take so long before

and not so now

[copper nacelle]

uhh

i removed my alpha performance filter

cause i thought it might be breaking it

but it was actually good

[compact sedge]

oic yeah it's mostly just transparent

[copper nacelle]

it was also writing to a file and to the screen

and for a time logging some stuff

[cunning lagoon]

put my score on the scoreboard as 3.2k big thank

[compact sedge]

ok

[copper nacelle]

how many clones do you have

[compact sedge]

I should put this icon by your name too 🏆

[cunning lagoon]

lol sure

[compact sedge]

ok

[cunning lagoon]

thanks dad

[floral furnace]

btw is there a camera hook whenever you sit on a bench?

[copper nacelle]

camera hook?

[floral furnace]

On.Camera.Fadeout shit like that

[river eagle]

The google drive where all mods are uploaded has pretty much leaked the names of all modders

[copper nacelle]

pretty much

more like

[compact sedge]

I mean so does my github page

[copper nacelle]

definitely

[compact sedge]

and like my email address

ha you can't dox me if I dox myself first

[floral furnace]

cuz the GUI wont fuck off even when going through inventory

[copper nacelle]

i really do wonder what my last name could be

[compact sedge]

is it

6

[copper nacelle]

yes

u guessed it

[floral furnace]

woah

[compact sedge]

what if your first name was "fifty" but your last name was "6"

[copper nacelle]

wokest

@floral furnace On.CameraController.FadeOut

[floral furnace]

n i c e

[copper nacelle]

wow my projects folder is only 1/2 a gigabyte

nvm

explorer lied

2gb is still worth putting on my ssd tho

[cunning lagoon]

i don't know what to do now

when is lost lord coming out

[copper nacelle]

mantis gods hitless

[cunning lagoon]

probably

i need a savefile though

[flat forum]

Mantis Gods JUMPLESS

[cunning lagoon]

thanks

[copper nacelle]

if anything seems super unfair about second phase tell me

[flat forum]

also, I wanna see you do THK with only the things you start the game with

[copper nacelle]

nail0 and jump?

[flat forum]

yeah

I haven't seen such a video

[cunning lagoon]

prob not hard at all

[copper nacelle]

^

[flat forum]

it's probably not that much a challenge

but I wanna see it as a video

[cunning lagoon]

i was working on thk and radiance old nail hitless before playing ig

[floral furnace]

THK telegraphs his shit clearly

[copper nacelle]

i really wanna buff thk but then tc is just gonna do it for gng

[floral furnace]

then buff Pure Vessel

[flat forum]

Pure Vessel that uses Spells

the size of the arena

DD Destroys the floor and half the rest of the arena

Howling Wraiths can only be dodged if under/next to THK

and the Fireball you just don't dodge

you die

[floral furnace]

inb4 Pure Vessel is 50% QTE

[cunning lagoon]

i found it

this triggered me so much

[compact sedge]

@rose barn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKjEKBKnXvY

[copper nacelle]

wow lethere lying to the public

smh my head

[compact sedge]

I will admit the second NGG used to spawn on the 3rd balloon right away literally forcing you to pogo the balloon

so I guess in a way it's 0.01% easier because it no longer does that. but also it's not really possible to pogo balloon anymore without taking damage

[cunning lagoon]

absolutely not

the DD nerf is way too significant

[compact sedge]

I mean it's also harder in many other ways

[river eagle]

Isn't Lethere also the guy who claimed to have defeated NGG before?

Without any proof

[cunning lagoon]

also aren't the spikes harder now

or did i misunderstand you

[compact sedge]

they should be very slightly harder on average but the old spikes were either somewhate easier or somewhat harder depending on if flames are on screen

[copper nacelle]

ok

[cunning lagoon]

big think

[copper nacelle]

bonus

[river eagle]

Pretty strange how he has also told he has only 80 hours in the game and plays on a 2012 macbook laptop using the trackpad

[compact sedge]

but you're forgetting something hal

the human element

[river eagle]

Ah right how could I forget

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

i'd love to see graig keep trying to beat ngg

he got 2.7k in like a few hours

i'm 100% sure he can do it

[copper nacelle]

inverting adds

1.83 seconds

to save game load

@warped sinew

[river eagle]

Setting up an inverting color filter adds 0 seconds 🤔

[copper nacelle]

and inverts the entire game

🤔

[compact sedge]

hal you misunderstand this

[river eagle]

?

[compact sedge]

it's jsut changing the knight

[river eagle]

Ohhh

[compact sedge]

can you put source code pls

[copper nacelle]

ye

[compact sedge]

kthx I wanna extend it to use smart color detection as a way to invert only certain pieces of the knight

basically looking for cape colors

within a certain predefined box

wow I need to sync my clock

anyway you're the best

[copper nacelle]

ty

[leaden hedge]

ngg is way easier in AAs version

the hard part had nothing to do with spikes, it was to do with 2nd ngg spawning during last balloon forcing you to dive and waste all you soul to survive

[cunning lagoon]

what

[leaden hedge]

real ngg spawned the 2nd grimm after you dealt 2400 damage

not after balloon finished

[cunning lagoon]

yeah so you pogo him

[leaden hedge]

literally every attack except firebats hits you if you pogo 🤔

[cunning lagoon]

i don't think i understand

in trinomi's video he doesn't seem to get hit by anything

[void tree]

You can time the pogos so only pillars are undodgeable

[cunning lagoon]

that's all i've seen from pre-lifeblood ngg btw

o

i didn't know he could do the pillars

that's dumb

[leaden hedge]

thats the point

[cunning lagoon]

ye ok

makes sense

[leaden hedge]

ill just make the top half of the screen a kill plane

no pogoing at all

[cunning lagoon]

add a 3rd grimm tbh

[leaden hedge]

that'd make it easier 🤔

[cunning lagoon]

huh

maybe

[leaden hedge]

each dive would hit 3 enemies

so itd do more damage

[cunning lagoon]

are you actually going to buff them 🤔

[leaden hedge]

just get aa to revert the nerf he made

[cunning lagoon]

i honestly don't get it

ngg could've been such a good fight

but you decided to make him cancer

[leaden hedge]

thats the point

[cunning lagoon]

is it?

[leaden hedge]

people said nkg was overly difficult for no reason

[cunning lagoon]

because some thought and balance went into the first phase

then suddenly 2 grimms

[leaden hedge]

final phase is because several people said

"it'd be really cool to have mantis lords grimm"

and it was a few minutes to add and check it was technically beatable

and made the fight stupid hard

win win

I personally don't like it, it was too rng based before the nerf

and post nerf its mostly just get into final phase with full soul and hope your dive does a lot of damage

[cunning lagoon]

right

[leaden hedge]

if the game wasn't coded like shit, I'd make one tele in as the other tele outs

so they were more in sync

[cunning lagoon]

yeah that would make it way more enjoyable

[flat forum]

InfiniteGrimm, but ever 1000 damage another weaker NKG spawns

[cunning lagoon]

i just assumed you had the decency to remove the pillars during the pufferfish so i thought it was easier

i guess not 🤔

[warped sinew]

@copper nacelle yo that knight it dope

He might look better if his cape was still grey

[flat forum]

"effort"

[warped sinew]

But I'm gonna stream with that knight for sure

[flat forum]

-56, whenever asked to do anything that takes longer than 3 minutes

[warped sinew]

@cunning lagoon gj on ngg

Who ever said it was impossible is very wrong

[cunning lagoon]

thanks! ♥

[warped sinew]

The end part is BS but not impossible

Actually with practice I think could do it no hit

[cunning lagoon]

will you beat him aswell?

[flat forum]

Graig, are you OK with being moved to a special ranking table called Godhome

[cunning lagoon]

o shit

[warped sinew]

Lol yeah I'm OK with that

So I was messing around with ngg

[flat forum]

so us Mortals can not feel terrible comparing ourselves to you

[warped sinew]

I was thinking about quick heal and how it broke IG

Well guess what, it also "breaks" ngg

[flat forum]

healing during Bats

possible?

I mean the firebats he shoots out of his cape

[warped sinew]

Not as bad but there are spots you can get heals in, makes it much easier, well stage one anyway

You can heal after all of his attacks

As long as you get the spike timing and jump timing correct

Its difficult to do but with practice becomes easier

[flat forum]

I keep getting extremely bullshit spikes on NGG

[warped sinew]

I got to final phase every time

[cunning lagoon]

the first phase is very lenient w2ith heals

even without qf you can heal twice during staggers

and you get like 4 or 5 of those

[warped sinew]

Yup

[cunning lagoon]

but qf sees no use in the second phase which is the hard one

so it's kind of a waste of notches

[warped sinew]

Yer I don't think its a solution to beating him over all, but it will get you to final ez pz

[cunning lagoon]

yea for sure

[warped sinew]

Heavy blow is what's needed for final

[cunning lagoon]

oh you can turn on hardmode to get practice in the second phase if you want

[warped sinew]

Oh really?

Lol

[flat forum]

Gathering Swarm + Compass best combo

[cunning lagoon]

yeah i don't find it too useful because that phase is for the most part all improv

[flat forum]

for NGG

[cunning lagoon]

but it's there

[warped sinew]

I think I will do it too, but I have a bunch of testing work to do so I don't revisit IG/NGG till GnG is out

[cunning lagoon]

o

make sure it's good!

[flat forum]

does GnG have difficult bosses I need to know

[warped sinew]

Its got stuff in it

@cunning lagoon you will enjoy it very much

[cunning lagoon]

oh i know i will

[flat forum]

Well, considering DLK chases extremely difficult accomplishments, I'm taking that as a yes

[warped sinew]

Its perfect for people like us, combat combat combat!!

[flat forum]

yes

[cunning lagoon]

who cares about lore anyway

[flat forum]

Also, Pantheons include bosses that have something similar, right?
The one was saw in the treehouse thing was "face the gods of shell and nail" I think

[floral furnace]

You cant care for a game's lore when this game has no lore to begin with

[flat forum]

[warped sinew]

Can u guys make a co op mode so me and DLK can team up against 4 NGGs?

[cunning lagoon]

i thought team berry said that gng had a 4 player coop mode

[warped sinew]

Maybe I am team berry ;)

[floral furnace]

This is some deep fuckin lore

[cunning lagoon]

[floral furnace]

Graigs been playing 7d chess all along

[errant lark]

can anybody here help me modify a save file? i accidentally skipped the watcher knights and really want to fight them

[warped sinew]

Just quit and load again

I think it works

[errant lark]

unfortunately it did not

[warped sinew]

Ahh ok

[errant lark]

well, i did dreamgate back again, maybe that's why?

[warped sinew]

Don't dream gate

Quit to menu

Load save and go into the room normally

Should work

[errant lark]

okay will do

should i set the dreamgate somewhere else? cuz it's currently right outside the room

[warped sinew]

Nah the bug is cause by dream gating into the scene

It doesn't load the fight

You dont have to reset the gate I dont think, just walk into the scene like normal, should load the boss

[errant lark]

alright, i'll try it, thanks a bunch!

it worked, they're here now

[rain cedar]

Hey for the modlinks.xml is the sha1 of the mod dll or of the zip?

Just gonna assume it's for the dll because that makes much more sense

[copper nacelle]

yeah it's the dll

[cunning lagoon]

@copper nacelle the InvertKnight mod doesn't work on steel soul saves

and it shows up as LostLord 1.0 on the mod list

[rain cedar]