I just pasted your triangle numbers in
#archived-modding-development
leaden hedge
1,4,5 is quad 1's top right, and quad 2's top right and bottom right
1,2,4 is quad 1's top right and bottom right and quad 2's top right
the previous tris you did used the top left / right
when you were offsetting to the right
so it didn't work
some combination of tris should work anyway 
it's effectively random which order they should be in
it looks pretty close atm though
compact sedge
ohhhhhhh
ok
ima try redrawing it on paper knowing that
uhh
hk uok
anyone ever have this happen? Background is animated with sound but buttons useless and no mods in top left
meme... relaunching it fixed it
leaden hedge
the tris did work on mine so I blame unity either way
compact sedge
aaaa oh I know why it happened
if your global settings files get corrupted so they're 0 bytes long it breaks the modding api
also idk if it's bad code or what but my .bak s got corrupted too
oh im a dungo I know why it was happening
my code not modding api corrupting .bak files
I didn't have any verticies for the bottom right two points
I had 4, 2 overlapping, and all of them in the top right
What I still don't get is this. Say I have a quad I want to split in half like so. What's the difference between making my first triangle
0, 1, 2
1, 2, 0
2, 0, 1
2, 1, 0
1, 0, 2
or
0, 2, 1
compact sedge
otherwise it doesn't matter?
leaden hedge
yeah
compact sedge
compact sedge
how do I know which way is inwards and which way is outwards
leaden hedge
you don't
leaden hedge
but if you swap the first and last it'll always flip the normals
its not that random
compact sedge
is it the kind of thing that changes between game versions
leaden hedge
no
compact sedge
ok
leaden hedge
the only thing that might affect it is platform
trim grove
its the kind of thing that changes based on who/what coded the engine
leaden hedge
but it shouldnt afaik
trim grove
so unless TC changes the engine the game runs on (which will be a bigger problem than normals kek), it won't change randomly
compact sedge
is my triangles being backwards why it's drawing the texture that way
with the gap in the middle
compact sedge
what if it works perfectly but it's just pacman warping from the top side of the texture to the bottom side and I just need to add pipes on top and bottom to show it off
also the order the triangles are listed doesn't matter, right?
leaden hedge
changes what your uvs point to
compact sedge
yeah my uvs were wrong
I saw the problem
well on the plus side I learned a lot from murphy's law
murphy's law of stupidity
any bad code you could write you will write
alpha still doesn't work but oh well
leaden hedge
well
thats not right afaik
meshRenderer.material.SetColor ("_TintColor", color);
try this
material.color is a shortcut for meshRenderer.material.SetColor ("_Color", color); but particles don't have Color only TintColor
compact sedge
ok
leaden hedge
also I think "Particles/Alpha Blended" is coloured better
and the default colour for that should be 127,127,127,127
compact sedge
works perfectly thanks so much, and you're right about the default
I'll go back to posting videos only in my mod server I guess
leaden hedge
that was probably easier than aligning 3 sprites rotated arbitrarily, perfectly, and even if it wasn't you learnt a new skill and thats all that really matters 
and it'll run better
compact sedge
rotating the sprites was way easier but my theory is it's actually impossible to get them to align perfectly
thankfully this is the only effect I'll probably ever have where I don't know the width of the middle part
unless I wanna ever do realistic fluid dynamics magma
which I don't
leaden hedge
well you can go wild now
compact sedge
oh and one good thing about it being a texture is the void particles now appear on top of it
which makes a cool effect
compact sedge
oh but there is one problem
they disappear when even 1 corner of the texture exits the camera
and then reappear if I go back
compact sedge
ok
flat forum
AA
compact sedge
ye
flat forum
I watched the trailer for Redwing again
and
my favourite past must be the fast Grimm heartbeats
compact sedge
I messed up the audio pitch there tho
I was trying to fix it to compensate for the speed up but I used the wrong audio clip in my video editor
I'd fix it but
e
also encoding takes like 2 hours
compact sedge
they're 2.5x
flat forum
speed?
compact sedge
turns out 2.5x heartbeats almost sync up with the music
flat forum
yeah
leaden hedge
that'd be cool if they actually bpm matched
but thats too many iqs for TC FeelsBadMan
compact sedge
my computer is way too slow for me to do video editing to get that to happen too
Rendering the previews took like 15 times as long as the previews were long
so 1 second of previews = 15 seconds of me waiting
compact sedge
and that's 15 seconds for every edit I wanted to do
I'm on a fairly "lowend" laptop
leaden hedge
obviously split it up and merge them with ffmpeg
compact sedge
1.6GhZ cpu freq maximum, but the GPU is really good
I mean it was using ffmpeg as a backend
can I just point that out. my MAXIMUM cpu frequency is 1.6GhZ... reliably. But yet I get an average of almost 100 fps in HK without mods
I say reliably because technically it can go to up to 3.6GhZ boost but the cooling is so bad that it can only stay at 1.6GhZ without needing to be downclocked from hitting 100C
IMO start ur mod now so it will be done within the first week of GnG coming out
compact sedge
that way when the hype train is in full and people are finishing up playing GnG they'll have more content
compact sedge
ok
flat forum
but I may get some things done as well
compact sedge
mine technically started last week but I'm in summer school
flat forum
Oh...
Well, for the mod I only need a few things things:
Delete all enemies and set all bosses to defeated
Remove the crawling ambiance in Deepnest, make the moving spike-like masses of bugs not move and get rid of the bugs that crawl on a layer closer to the screen
Remove all of Elderbug's dialogue and find out how to replace it
compact sedge
ok all very doable and not hard things
flat forum
EXACTLY
compact sedge
for deepnest find the animations you want to change and set their framerate to like 0.0001
or something
flat forum
you already kinda explained the destroying of objects in the Grimm Syndicate Server
compact sedge
yeah I can reexplain it here or in one of the other two modding channels I'm in
flat forum
Maybe I can just do an OnSceneUpdate (or whatever it was) for Dirtmouth to set all bosses to defeated
compact sedge
for setting all bosses to defeated just add a hook to the get player bool
leaden hedge
theres secret moddin channels 😠
flat forum
yes
leaden hedge
what about cg2
compact sedge
they're not secret
leaden hedge
no bool for that
compact sedge
cg2?
flat forum
Crystal Guardian
floral furnace
you could say those servers are, he he, private
leaden hedge
giant zombie miner 2
flat forum
Another thing I may have to do
compact sedge
you're a) destroying the bosses
b) telling the game you did all the bosses that block stuff off
flat forum
to make sure
is to set all doors to open
always
because
other than bosses there's those challenge areas that lock you in
compact sedge
well part of telling the game you did the bosses is telling the game that the doors should be open
although imagine if you just got locked in a cage in the city of tears
and nothing spawned
flat forum
exactly
compact sedge
it'd be 100% less videogamey and 20% more realistic
flat forum
(so, setting InfectedKnightDefeated to True will have destroyed the Infection wall in his room?)
I think it was InfectedKnight defeated
I dunno
InfectedKnight something
flat forum
I'll make a save on the bench right before him
compact sedge
feel free to post WIP screenshots to any of the secret modding channels
also imo use the debugmod
to test
so you can get around faster
flat forum
I always have Debug mod on
compact sedge
papers have you ever turned off your music volume, turned up your sound volume, and sat in queen's station or the old stag station in the cliffs?
do it at least once
by queen's station I mean the giant room to the right of where the stag actually is
compact sedge
ok salubra singing might be worse than what you actually hear there
solemn rivet
also, I just found out that other day that you can re-enable any gramophones you have destroyed by editing the save file
leaden hedge
its probably in sceneData
compact sedge
imo Papers for extra challenge when coding your mod make the ONLY game music played, played by gramophones you place around the map which can be destroyed and never respawn when you do.
Ideally distort it first for extra fun (I have some kinda crappy sound editing code you can steal in redwing)
@flat forum
leaden hedge
is this realism.mp4
compact sedge
folding's making a horror game/ walking simulator mod for HK
compact sedge
you know what, walking simulators are really creepy even if you know there's no jumpscares
solemn rivet
I read that as "walking simulators are crappy" and I'm like "damn, Angle, that's true but no need to be so blunt"
compact sedge
maybe I'm a wimp but there were a few points where Valley and Stanley Parable kinda unnerved me even though I knew they weren't a horror games.
compact sedge
HK has its fair share of creepy background sound effects tho, that's why I said the thing about the queen's station
literally just change the lighting on that scene a little
and remove the music
and boom
leaden hedge
will the mod be called hornet.exe
compact sedge
no because I was only using it as a room to test blackmoth in
I can go launch the game and record some
compact sedge
opal hearth
slenderbug
dusky lion
What
leaden hedge
big meme
dusky lion
What
I mean according to Discord I have been playing Wizard of Legend for one hour so I guess I should sleep in the bed I've made
leaden hedge
no I've been messing around with Rich Presence
dusky lion
I didn't know that was even possible
leaden hedge
now its 107 of 107 because I loaded a completed save
dusky lion
Huh
leaden hedge
it'd be nice if area names werent retarded
dusky lion
Send this to Team Cherry 
leaden hedge
because then I could do "exploring deepnest for 20m"
dusky lion
Are they just acronyms
leaden hedge
no
dusky lion
Wouldn't that be kind of spoilerish
leaden hedge
but half of them are greenpath
like fog canyon, green path, queens garden are all the same prefix iirc
dusky lion
Wow that must be agony
rain cedar
It's been like that as long as I'm aware
solemn rivet
@rain cedar playing rando again, got stuck on loading screen entering the Soul Master arena (I have dive)
celest zodiac
so.... this thing: https://rainingchain.com/hollowknight/randomizer ... is not up to date with the latest randomizer logic, is it?
leaden hedge
probably not
celest zodiac
can you play the randomizer in steel soul mode?
leaden hedge
yes
celest zodiac
so for the purpose of playing the seed the locations Salubra, Shade soul, Desolate Dive, Spell twister, Sharp shadow, Spore shroom, and Crystal Heart are affected by that?
leaden hedge
just removes any shade skips from the logic
celest zodiac
ah, it's specifically shade skips.. cool.. I can easily see that in the rando code
so.. where the logic differs between the tracker and the rando code, is that because more glitches have been added to the logic, or that the logic have been changed.. or both?
leaden hedge
probably both
celest zodiac
so, two specifics.. 1. tracker have Grimmchild location, code does not, and 2. code have "Everything" as logic for Grubberfly's Elegy. is that because the location is not used, but the charm is?
celest zodiac
aka, mod author decided to fuck that?
leaden hedge
no it'd just be bad design if anything required spawned at elegy
so nothing can spawn there
celest zodiac
I should again add that I'm exited about working on tools, but I have yet to play the game, only watching it streamed this far 😄
but it will all make sense soon
celest zodiac
ah.. it's that one.. I see
so.. you can get it roughly the same time you finish the game anyway, in vanilla?
leaden hedge
nah
celest zodiac
ok, but code-wise it is listed because that charm is in the randomized pool, but the location is not used? therefor charm name is in there, but logic is "Everything"?
leaden hedge
no the location is used
just not for anything that could affect progression
so wings/fireball/dreamnail/claw/dash etc can't spawn there
but shaman stone could
the only reason that matters is because otherwise elegy could only spawn at elegy
but elegy can be used for several skips
young walrus
That helper doesn't deal with the logic of the randomizer. It only tells you when certain items are reachable given what items you have, which is independent of the logic
celest zodiac
yeah, not logic of progression and item usability, just the reachability, of course..
I take it "Everything" is used so that only "junk" is placed there by the "random fill" part, right?
young walrus
Requiring everything to reach something will naturally make that item location garbage, yes
celest zodiac
gotcha
so what's the story about Grimmchild and Grubsong? The tracker have the former while stating the later is a "useless item", while the code have the reverse.. lists Grubsong but not Grimmchild..
young walrus
Because the code was rewritten. Grubsong was added to the item pool but Grimm child hasn't been added back yet for reasons
celest zodiac
I see
Fury of the Fallen.. tracker say "obtain it before going to dirtmouth".. is it in the very start of the game, the tutorial path where you learn to move and stuff? and you need Claw to get back there later?
young walrus
Would really help if you played the game first. Lol
celest zodiac
obviously, but should I take that to mean the answer to those two questions are "no"?
celest zodiac
thanks for the help and info btw
so there's what's called "additive items".. I take it in vanilla you get them in an "intended order".. with the randomizer, do they work on their own, or is the later useless until you get the first, or are the pickups progressive like in the link to the past randomizer (at the first time you pick up e.g. a glove, you get the first level, second glove give the mitts, and the order you pick them up doesn't matter)?
wise oxide
hello my dudes, just tried installing the API Bonfire Mod, but when the game launches it says BnfireMod Failed to load! check modlog.txt
any help is much appreciated
I have the 1.2.2.1 version and API
solemn rivet
why do you have 1.2.2.1
hazy sentinel
☠
solemn rivet
1.3.1.5 runs faster than 1.2.2.1
it was optimized for compatibility with the switch
wise oxide
think i better upgrade ?
solemn rivet
sure
otherwise, you'd have to install bot the 1.2.2.1 API and the 1.2.2.1 bonfire mod
wise oxide
1.2.2.1 api is there, all done
the mod isnt though, i downloaded and tried the [api]bonfire-mod
solemn rivet
yeah... API bonfire is only compatible with the most recent API
wise oxide
i'll update and try that again. Thanks for your suggestion my dude.
great service youre doing everyone here guys
solemn rivet
np
if it still doesn't work, just ask here
but, yeah, lifeblood is better than TGT performance-wise
there were a few minor QoL changes that were bad
(you can't menu drop or skip the credits, which suck)
hazy sentinel
couldn't skip the credits either way
solemn rivet
bestmod
rain cedar
@solemn rivet Don't know why you'd soft lock entering there unless you'd recently restarted your game
If you had there's a good chance it failed at trying to load kings pass to get a shiny reference
solemn rivet
hm
well, I went the other way and got a few other shinies, and it worked fine when I came back
also ddark and shriek were empty
forgot to mention that
compact sedge
I thought 1.2.2.1 let you skip one of the dreamers cutscenes
but def not the credits
young walrus
Credits have never been skippable
But now you can't skip dreamer cutscenes anymore
Believe that's what gradow meant
solemn rivet
No, it was an honest mistake. I tried to recall what was changed and my mind went straight to the QoL mod
copper nacelle
it's so good you can't stop thinking about it
old valve
How do i get the Bonfire mod?
compact sedge
download the mod installer from the pins
old valve
ok thanks
wise pagoda
Hey, have any of you tried the bonfire mod?
I got about halfway through the game a while ago and stopped playing, was thinking about trying another run with that mod
wise pagoda
Is there a way to run the mod on the current version?
I just get a black screen when I try and run the game
copper nacelle
did you use the installer
copper nacelle
what
did you use this thing which does everything for you https://gitlab.com/gradow/ModInstaller/uploads/b1acbce056420f05fdbf7d2fa3a0726f/ModInstaller.exe
compact sedge
Does hitinstancehook not work for my own custom hitinstances
or am I just doing it wrong
solemn rivet
the hook is in the HealthManager class iirc
compact sedge
I have code that looks like this:
foreach (Collider2D collider in allLaserEnemies)
{
GameObject target = collider.gameObject;
log("Doing laser damage to target with name " + target.name);
FSMUtility.SendEventToGameObject(target, "TAKE DAMAGE", false);
HitTaker.Hit(target, new HitInstance
{
Source = base.gameObject,
AttackType = AttackTypes.Generic,
CircleDirection = false,
DamageDealt = laserDamageBase + laserDamagePerNail *PlayerData.instance.GetInt("nailSmithUpgrades"),
Direction = 0f,
IgnoreInvulnerable = true,
MagnitudeMultiplier = 1f,
MoveAngle = 0f,
MoveDirection = false,
Multiplier = 1f,
SpecialType = SpecialTypes.None,
IsExtraDamage = false
}, 3);
}
But I can't get my lasers with the hitinstancehook
ok
so I should switch from FSMUtility to just grabbing the other game object's health manager
compact sedge
so maybe switch to something like this:
HealthManager targetHP = target.GetEnemyHealthManager();
if (targetHP != null)
{
targetHP.Hit(new HitInstance
{
Source = base.gameObject,
AttackType = AttackTypes.Generic,
CircleDirection = false,
DamageDealt = laserDamageBase + laserDamagePerNail *PlayerData.instance.GetInt("nailSmithUpgrades"),
Direction = 0f,
IgnoreInvulnerable = true,
MagnitudeMultiplier = 1f,
MoveAngle = 0f,
MoveDirection = false,
Multiplier = 1f,
SpecialType = SpecialTypes.None,
IsExtraDamage = false
});
}```btw idk why GetEnemyHealthManager is a real function considering it does the same thing as GetComponent<HealthManager>
modcommon bigmeme
compact sedge
public static HealthManager GetEnemyHealthManager( this GameObject gameObject )
{
HealthManager hm = null;
if( gameObject == null )
return hm;
hm = gameObject.GetComponent<HealthManager>();
return hm;
}
I'm sorry but this has got to be in the top 10 most useless functions in ModCommon
rain cedar
Not really
compact sedge
target.GetComponent<HealthManager>()
vs
target.GetEnemyHealthManager()
saves 0 lines
rain cedar
What?
compact sedge
no it won't
solemn rivet
oh
compact sedge
it's just running GetComponent
compact sedge
and moreover its slower since I know the gameObject isn't null.
compact sedge
so like... target.GetOrAddComponent<HealthManager>()
which already exists in modcommon
compact sedge
public static T GetOrAddComponent<T>( this GameObject source ) where T : UnityEngine.Component
{
T result = source.GetComponent<T>();
if( result != null )
return result;
result = source.AddComponent<T>();
return result;
}
meme
compact sedge
this is why I wanna improve modcommon by adding new useful components
because that seems like where it would be best
rain cedar
The monomod guy mentioned that fast reflection helper thing a bit ago
That's in modcommon since monomod is in
Maybe worth using, haven't really looked into it
solemn rivet
let's see...
wait, someone mentioned this a while ago but I wasn't here
is 0x0ade the creator of dnspy?
i.e. 0xd4d
rain cedar
Nah that's the monomod creator
solemn rivet
yeah
but sometime ago I believe I saw people speaking as if they were the same person
rain cedar
I don't think so since both the github accounts are active
Would be odd to maintain two accounts
compact sedge
:feelsgoodman:
I wish every git commit I did could remove 353 lines without changing any functionality
compact sedge
ok even using the new hitinstances it still doesn't actually hook on the hitinstancehook
I guess custom stuff bypasses these hooks or something?
is that fair to say
rain cedar
Looks like the hook is in the TakeDamage action https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/blob/master/Assembly-CSharp/Patches/TakeDamage.cs
Probably safe to move it into HitTaker.Hit, which makes way more sense
compact sedge
what runs TakeDamage
rain cedar
Enemy FSMs
compact sedge
ok
for some reason I was sending to the enemies a FSM action "TAKE DAMAGE" and they were taking damage but the hooks wasn't working
also as you may already know the hook runs even when there's no enemies taking any damage
so long as there's any object, with a healthmanager or otherwise, that any damage related thing is colliding with
so like if you cdash across the floor the floor constantly procs the hook
rain cedar
Maybe the TakeDamage action is on the FSMs dealing the damage, then
compact sedge
idk how it's done internally truth be told but the way I did it was by stealing code from the grimmchild grimmball control code
solemn rivet
It's in the objects dealing the damage, yeah
compact sedge
well the objects dealing damage in my code were the ones sending the TAKE DAMAGE action
weird question but why in the original damage enemys class is there this code?
if (targetLayer == 20 || targetLayer == 9 || targetLayer == 26 || targetLayer == 31)
{
return;
}```or something to that effect
why not just
if (targetLayer != 11) return;
actually you know what
I'm done trying to understand this stupid game's stupid hacks
it works so whatever
keen horizon
i go to drive right
exotic venture
i just explained this
compact sedge
or just like edit your save file
exotic venture
yes it's in the pins
compact sedge
top right
exotic venture
click on the pin icon
compact sedge
there's a pushpin icon
exotic venture
be sure to get the correct version
you need version 1.3.1.5
matching your version
keen horizon
yep
sorry im looking where should it be?
under pins
who was it sent by?
i keep finding actual mods
compact sedge
imo just download the mod installer
it's pinned near the top
and use that
to install it
otherwise you can find debug mod in the google drive
linked right below the mod installer
keen horizon
i see it i think
exotic venture
you either use an installer which is pinned or you use the google drive
either is fine
exotic venture
yep
compact sedge
compact sedge
oh wait did you actually get it working
exotic venture
then f1
compact sedge
ok launch the game
exotic venture
ok you used an installer
keen horizon
then i press f1 and i should be able to add the ore right?
ok i launched the game and it shows the api mod in the top left corner
now what?
it says that i have the debug mod too
keen horizon
ok ive loaded the save
im at dirtmouth
a whole bunch of stuff is on my screen
a bunch of statistics
i got the ore thanks so much both of you
thx for helping me out
exotic venture
you're welcome!
compact sedge
ok question: what's the best way to hook after the player uses Great Slash, Dash Slash, or Whirlwind?
should I just add an action to the fsm?
hazy sentinel
w h i r l w i n d
hazy sentinel
cyclone slash
hollow pier
spinny thing
worthy mica
are there any released mods for the game?
compact sedge
nope
exotic venture
anime twirl
hazy sentinel
wtf get out of moderator chat @worthy mica
young walrus
Released mods?
exotic venture
hey guys, moderator here
hollow knight has no mods
worthy mica
Thanks
compact sedge
I mean it probably doesn't help that I've been talking up my mod a storm and it's still not goddamn out yet
hollow pier
thats a virus
compact sedge
and if you jerks hadn't asked for a "hard" mode or "balance" then it would be
worthy mica
i CHECKED THE PINS
hollow pier
worlds first
exotic venture
please don't fuck caps
hazy sentinel
i BLESS THE RAINS
compact sedge
fuck bees instead
hollow pier
aye aye capn
worthy mica
^
fair rampart
i want a spear mod the knights nail is too small
worthy mica
Spears are generally longer than swords tho
young walrus
Play lightbringer
fair rampart
exactly
is it fun i havent looked into it enough
i also havent finished the game cuz im awful
hazy sentinel
nah lightbringer adds a lance not a spear smh my head mick ur kinda shit at hk tbh
compact sedge
play blackmoth... BECOME THE SPEAR
young walrus
Lance, spear.... Close enough
fair rampart
close enough yeah
fair rampart
i mean the nail is point but its like a teeny tiny lance idk
exotic venture
uhh i would recommend finishing the game before doing any modding though
young walrus
^
fair rampart
yeah--- is the main purpose to get to those three heads on the map?
i only got to one.
exotic venture
yup
fair rampart
cant seem to reach the others
exotic venture
but feel free to explore
hazy sentinel
boi
compact sedge
I couldn't either for a while
fair rampart
im having so much fun but like. i wanna be awful at the no dying mode.
young walrus
Wat
compact sedge
because I didn't find a certain item, or an entire area for that matter, until I had beaten the game twice
exotic venture
i think i needed a moment to process that sentence
young walrus
If you want to be awful at it, run into spikes
fair rampart
i get hit by fucking everything wtf
compact sedge
don't worry i wanna be awful at the no dying mode too
fair rampart
it sure is
young walrus
Just run into things
dusky lion
Tatsu is your name perhaps a reference to Xenoblade X?
exotic venture
facetanking is a legit strat 
fair rampart
its more a reference to one punch man actually
dusky lion
Heccin
fair rampart
also-- i read up builds on the charm guide on steam and it says you can facetank with the bluehealth build but---- no?
exotic venture
question
hazy sentinel
facetank is for cool kidz only
exotic venture
have you finished the game
young walrus
Answer
fair rampart
i have not
exotic venture
no wait let me rephrase that
exotic venture
have you booted up the game and left the first area
dusky lion
Why are you in modding.jpg
fair rampart
i like mods and was curious idk
hollow pier
3000dmg nail > first playthrough
dusky lion
wha
compact sedge
3000 degree nail vs infinite grimm
exotic venture
that fucking guy 
hazy sentinel
debug mod lets you experience the game in a whole new way
exotic venture
item combinations you couldn't ever experience in vanilla
dusky lion
To be fair you could never get City Crest and Shadow Dash at the same time so not entirely wrong on that part
compact sedge
all I'm saying is that superforge guy is better than 99% of you jerks
he actually read the readme
and there's a lot of wrong readmes
dusky lion
^ This
compact sedge
don't promise features your mod doesn't have that's all I can say
compact sedge
clickbait readmes ree
hollow pier
reading the readme is more work than installing and playing the mod
compact sedge
but you need to download the mod to read the readme for most of these mods
exotic venture
and 4 angry people commenting on your youtube video, of which one writes an essay, who by the way is not even a modder
compact sedge
hollow pier
it is own
leaden hedge
*some assembly required
compact sedge
if I don't make a top 5 mods video put mine in and get a bunch of flak for it
compact sedge
why
exotic venture
you could borrow a lot from NKGs moveset which would make it looks real nice
or borrow assets, rather
hazy sentinel
procgen graphics look out of place
compact sedge
they do tho
and I don't want to use existing assets because loading them seems like a PITA
hazy sentinel
naan
compact sedge
and if I make my own they'd probably also look fairly out of place
exotic venture
pain in the arse
exotic venture
but is it really though
you could see how lightbringer does it
i mean it just got a revamp for api
leaden hedge
loading just custom assets is dumb
as they can change between game versions
probably better to just reimplement the animator
rain cedar
Animating sprites is really hard https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/Components/BigItemPopup.cs#L215
compact sedge
look, by the time redwing is out you'll be able to completely customize the fireball colorsets used (and intensities at which to apply said colors) and if anyone can find me better looking colors I'd be happy to switch to them
well be able to completely customize these without recompiling I mean
leaden hedge
well the animator also needs spritedefs which is the annoying part
because sprites move between versions
exotic venture
will it be out before hornet dlc
compact sedge
unless I run into other big problems it should be out by friday
and if I do then who knows how long until it is out
rain cedar
What does "fireball caps" even mean?
hazy sentinel
🤔
compact sedge
before the caps would sometimes be one pixel off
which is super distracting
and bad
rain cedar
Make them overlap slightly
compact sedge
but the problem is they fade out
rain cedar
So even if it's off by one it still shows fine
leaden hedge
they are transparent
rain cedar
I see
leaden hedge
the mesh worked fine anyway
the only issue was aa made a mistake when drawing up his diagram afaik
besides having to guess tri orders
fair rampart
It's me if you remember
I'm here because when i tried to install some mods, The enemy randomizer seems to not have installed properly
rain cedar
Hi me if you remember
fair rampart
Hi
rain cedar
Have you tried installing it correctly?
fair rampart
I just used the zote thing
compact sedge
ok
rain cedar
What zote thing?
exotic venture
and tell me if it worked
rain cedar
Cool
fair rampart
My computer won't let me use the zote thing
rain cedar
You're very specific with your bug reports
compact sedge
lemme guess
windows 10
right
and windows defender's like, this is a third party exe that isn't from the windows store
right
young walrus
Your computer will let you if you tell it to
fair rampart
But i did it
Maybe the newer zote thing will work
compact sedge
mickely you have more faith in windows than I do
young walrus
Kay
hazy sentinel
i use windows 10
compact sedge
tell your computer to not reboot for more than a week to install updates
rain cedar
You can completely disable windows update
young walrus
I turn my computers off every night
rain cedar
On 7 at least
young walrus
So updates just install then
compact sedge
Your computer will let you if you tell it to if you never tell it to do anything it won't let you do
leaden hedge
if you turn off your computer you kill it, how can you live with killing your computer every day
rain cedar
Same
compact sedge
windows is like a david cage game. it feels very open ended and full of meaningful decisions but really it's just forcing you down a linear path.
actually scratch that david cage games have more polygons and thus more emotions
fair rampart
I went out of the beta in steam, and then tried using the new zote thing, which seemed to do nothing as when I loaded up the game it was just normal
When I tried to open the new zote thing again, this happened
so uh
fair rampart
What
exotic venture
bob the modder
can he fix it
bob the modder
no, it's fucked
solemn rivet
The installer
fair rampart
Yes
solemn rivet
How recent?
fair rampart
Like half an hour ago (the new zote one)
solemn rivet
Ok
fair rampart
got to go
dusky lion
Manual Installation > All
fair rampart
You guys figured out why that happened yet?
rain cedar
Get it to happen again and show details on the error
solemn rivet
^
fair rampart
rain cedar
This is Gradow's installer, right?
I'm confused here because his installer has no function PopulateList in it and all the one in Kerr's does is start a coroutine
Just copy paste the error in here, man
It's not that hard to give the full stack trace
fair rampart
Shhh
It just says a whole bunch of parameters or whatever where "value cannot be null"
fair rampart
what
rain cedar
Gotta be fully specific with you it seems
Click the error
Press ctrl+a
Press ctrl+c
Click discord
Press ctrl+v
Press enter
fair rampart
Yeah but what do those clicks do exactly
hazy sentinel
select the right text box
fair rampart
This is a trick!
You just want me to copy paste
dusky lion
fair rampart
************** Exception Text **************
System.ArgumentNullException: Value cannot be null.
Parameter name: item
at System.Windows.Forms.ListBox.ObjectCollection.AddInternal(Object item)
at System.Windows.Forms.ListBox.ObjectCollection.Add(Object item)
at System.Windows.Forms.CheckedListBox.ObjectCollection.Add(Object item, CheckState check)
at ModInstaller.ModManager.PopulateList()
at ModInstaller.ModManager.Form2_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnCreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
dusky lion
modding-support so the few altruistic modders can help people out eeeeeeee
fair rampart
So now what
dusky lion
What are you trying to install?
rain cedar
I'm pretty confident you're running an old version of the installer
So step 1 would be using the newest one to see if the error even happens still
fair rampart
It's the one that's 3rd in the pins
copper nacelle
redownload it u dungo
rain cedar
Oh right Gradow switched to gitlab
fair rampart
And that just happens whenever I open it
rain cedar
Ok I'm looking at old code
fair rampart
So will redownloading it be sufficient?
rain cedar
No you're up to date I think
dusky lion
If you would answer my question, what are you trying to install Raisin?
rain cedar
Mods
dusky lion
Just do it manually
fair rampart
How the fricc I doit big manual
hazy sentinel
copy and paste
hollow pier
copy and paste
rain cedar
@solemn rivet Your installer is breaking here https://gitlab.com/gradow/ModInstaller/blob/master/ModInstaller/ModManager.cs#L142 or here https://gitlab.com/gradow/ModInstaller/blob/master/ModInstaller/ModManager.cs#L162
fair rampart
Into what
rain cedar
fair rampart
Gradow you messed up and now we all have to pay for your sins
rain cedar
I found the bug
If you have a mod installed that isn't in the xml you get an empty string passed into stuff
Here I fixed it
@fair rampart
compact sedge
I'm gonna lose my One Line Man title aren't I?
fair rampart
Thanks
dusky lion
Yes you are
copper nacelle
make it faster
compact sedge
any good formulas for video game gravity
ideally the ones in super unfloaty platformers
compact sedge
no
copper nacelle
yes
compact sedge
that's the opposite of what I want
copper nacelle
Earth is a great super unfloaty platformer
compact sedge
what I need is it to decelerate faster the higher its upward velocity is
solemn rivet
oops thanks sean
copper nacelle
now keep the binary at 420kb
solemn rivet
I had to completely rewrite the modinstaller and seem to have forgotten to add that
compact sedge
yes
leaden hedge
just edit the exe with a hex editor
compact sedge
unfortunately it's the final output size of any assemblies
yeah
that's the way to do it
leaden hedge
and just manually pad it
rain cedar
Damn cats get into everything
compact sedge
dd if=/dev/zero bs=1 count=707 | cat ModInstaller.exe - > ModMeme.exe
fuck
slightly too small
forgot 1024
leaden hedge
420.67kb
rain cedar
Nice
leaden hedge
nice .69 meme
copper nacelle
421kb
compact sedge
56 get off mobile
copper nacelle
re
compact sedge
no but really I don't have windows to test this
leaden hedge
AA get off pc
compact sedge
I actually wanna know tho
copper nacelle
wine
solemn rivet
KDT get off the planet
compact sedge
don't have it installed don't have any reason to install it for one mono program that could work in linux in 3 hours of porting if I wasn't so lazy
solemn rivet
well it opens and seems fine
compact sedge
dank af
glad I can literally just add 708 0s to the end of a binary file and it doesn't care
solemn rivet
fair rampart
The newer zote thing works but I still can't get the enemy rando thing to work
solemn rivet
crash on load?
copper nacelle
m o d c o m m o n
dusky lion
compact sedge
apparently enemyrando also needs 3GB of vram
on linux at least probably because openGL is somewhat worse with vram than directX11
which means I can't use it anyway
actually do you need to run that enemyrando thing more than once
or once its loaded in is it good to go
because I have a crazy idea that just might work
if it's the latter
solemn rivet
Kerr was trying to get an object serializer
compact sedge
oh so right now you need to load enemy rando every time you start the game
is that right
solemn rivet
yeah
compact sedge
rip my crazy idea
rain cedar
It's just caching every enemy
compact sedge
why does it use so much vram
rain cedar
Idk enemy sprites I guess
solemn rivet
much enemy
compact sedge
can I tell it in config to only cache some enemies
because it gets about 80-90% done before I run out of vram
which is like almost there
rustic stag
Good golly I haven't been on in a while. 8K+ messages to wade through.
Everything is different now and my mod is all borked.
And what the heck is modcommon?
copper nacelle
idk what this is
modcommon is a helper mod that has some nice functions
also has monomod hooks merged w/ it now
which lets you override and/or hook any function
compact sedge
look idk what ancient era you're from but you're so old I don't even remember what mod you made
solemn rivet
savage
rustic stag
Oof
copper nacelle
iirc it was some randomize everything about everything mod
like
geo was one thing
rustic stag
That's okay. my mod was never popular lol
compact sedge
rustic stag
More for me than anything
compact sedge
hey that's like all my mods
solemn rivet
I don't think your mod's even on the gdrive
copper nacelle
it's not
compact sedge
*2
rustic stag
Most of the functionality is actually intact thankfully, the geo is the only thing that broke
compact sedge
... so not to be completely out of the loop but what does your mod do?
solemn rivet
compact sedge
ok I'm blind
rustic stag
Just randomization of various stats like damage, dash distance/cooldown, enemy health, etc.
compact sedge
neat
rustic stag
Was actually working on having it change player/enemy size scaling before other more important things took precedent
Guess I'll check out that modcommon thing though
rustic stag
Oh...
rustic stag
So what did it even do?
compact sedge
you mostly use it for hooks
solemn rivet
it does have some nice helper functions
compact sedge
I mostly don't use it
solemn rivet
yeah
compact sedge
I wanna make it less shit tho
solemn rivet
did anyone actually add the privatemethod thingie?
copper nacelle
the only thing i use from it that's not hooks is the print object thingy
copper nacelle
no
solemn rivet
well
compact sedge
if it's not by seanpr it should have a permissive license that lets me fork it
solemn rivet
we can add him as a contributor, right?
copper nacelle
yeah
solemn rivet
because all of us are contributors
flat forum
what are you making?
solemn rivet
life
flat forum
I'm sad and confused
solemn rivet
modcommon
copper nacelle
@compact sedge HMMM
compact sedge
as I said if it's not by sean it has a permissive license
if it is by sean it's licensed under "all rights reserved"
solemn rivet
u sure you don't want me to add you?
it's mostly a tool for modders
and all of us have access to it
compact sedge
I guess you could but I'm still only sending PRs because I don't like the idea of submitting code without approval
when it's someone else's code base
copper nacelle
i should add fsmutil to it at some point
solemn rivet
yeah, tbf, I feel you
compact sedge
56 pls do
solemn rivet
I was thinking of how I could add my helper functions but request approval
copper nacelle
does removeat just leave null in it's place
cause it says one of the errors is that the arraylist has a fixed size but it never changed the size
copper nacelle
it has its own removeat
compact sedge
you did let me relicense one of your files under gplv3 which I greatly appreciate
and ofc nobody owes anyone any source code
as much as I'd love to claim otherwise being the foss zealot I am
rain cedar
I don't even remember what you're talking about
leaden hedge
if you've ever looked at any code that shares keywords with any of my code
im suing you
copper nacelle
yo this file doesn't exist
leaden hedge
legit
copper nacelle
why was this +1 tho
compact sedge
oh I asked you for permission for PlayMakerFSMExtensions from Rando2 back when it had no license and thus was all rights reserved and you let me use it @rain cedar