archived-modding-development

[leaden hedge]

that'd need sprites we don't have

[rain cedar]

This nonsense is in HealthManager https://pastebin.com/pr4kYpdG

Nice code

[leaden hedge]

and drawing sprites is slower and/or expensive

[compact sedge]

if I was gonna do a grimmchild mod like that I'd make it based on the damage dealt by grimmchild

[dusky lion]

Ouch

[compact sedge]

and I would steal all of gradow's gui code and all of my grimmchild upgrades code

[fair rampart]

doesn't matter :3 you don't need them , there is always an creative way of simulating things

[compact sedge]

to make it work

[leaden hedge]

G O O D C O D E

[dusky lion]

Not as bad as the way the code calculates charm notches used

[leaden hedge]

its worse

this is garbage

[rain cedar]

I actually have no idea what this does

[leaden hedge]

nested switches

[fair rampart]

I mean , Im transforming all of the fighters in hyper dragon ball z so it plays like killer instinct~

[leaden hedge]

and magic numbers

[fair rampart]

if I can do that , without knowing shiet ~ I bet you can do wonderful things ~

[leaden hedge]

its comparing a number 0, 1, 2, 3 to get the direction you're attacking, and then checking against 1+2+4+8 for NESW invuln

[dusky lion]

What program are you using to do that?

[fair rampart]

I dunno you could make it like lil grimm explodes in some of the dreamworld particles or somethin

[leaden hedge]

so if you're attacking in direction 1 its checking it isn't invincible in direction 8

[rain cedar]

But why is it 1 2 4 8?

[leaden hedge]

so you can add them up

if its invincbile 1 2 4 then you can just check 7

why its not bitmasked

I dunno

[rain cedar]

Maybe it is and the compiler optimized it out

[leaden hedge]

doubt it

switch (this.invincibleFromDirection)
    {
    case 2:
    case 5:
    case 6:
    case 7:
    case 8:
    case 9:
        return true;
    }
    return false;

this would be compiled to a hash table if compiler was doing stuff

actually I dunno 🤔

because its one fall through

oh even weirder half the time it does

    int num = this.invincibleFromDirection;
    switch (num)

and the other it does

   switch (this.invincibleFromDirection)

[rain cedar]

What you said for this doesn't even make sense

There's a case 7

That's 4 + 2 + 1

It makes no sense to check 3 directions

[leaden hedge]

yeah if they didn't bitmask they probably did something retarded

also it does make sense

because you'd have to check every possibility with a 1

[rain cedar]

Oh wait I get it

8 is probably down and those are left/right/up

[copper nacelle]

what the fuck did I just read

[opal hearth]

yo why is my mang glowing rainbow colors like them color changing christmas lights

[copper nacelle]

how much geo do you have

[opal hearth]

753

[copper nacelle]

go fight lost kin

[solemn rivet]

before that

check the mod creator's name

[opal hearth]

i don't know which mod is causing this lol

[solemn rivet]

lightbringer

[copper nacelle]

lightbringer

[opal hearth]

oo

[leaden hedge]

ok I think I've figured it out

they are retarded

[opal hearth]

and it's way too early to go fight lost kin. i've had more geo than this before.

[solemn rivet]

56 you should have added something too

[copper nacelle]

753 geo makes lost kin do cool shit

yeah I was going to but then I just wanted to release

[opal hearth]

specifically 753? o.o

[copper nacelle]

@ 753#0753

[leaden hedge]

heres a truth table

[opal hearth]

oh that makes sense

[leaden hedge]

my assumption is they have 2 enums

one that is

U,R,D,L

and another that is every possible permutation of 3 directions

so

U,R,D,L,UR,UD,UL,RD,RL,DL,URD,URL,UDL,RDL

although theres probably a few missing that never come up

[opal hearth]

RIP. somehow i collected 1 geo. lol

[copper nacelle]

get soul eater and then die and kill your shade

it'll take off a few geo

[leaden hedge]

probably something like this

[opal hearth]

neat

[leaden hedge]

so honestly the most retarded thing I've ever read

[solemn rivet]

that's... certainly a way to achieve that, I guess

[leaden hedge]

its especially dumb

because its an inverse check

it checks if they're vulnerable in a direction

they could pretty easily just do

    switch(attackDir){
    case directions.U:
        return this.invulnU;
    case directions.R:
        return this.invulnR;
    case directions.D:
        return this.invulnD;
    case directions.L:
        return this.invulnL;
    }

instead of using 2 ints lol

I mean its not return attackDir & invulnFlags but its not TC level garbage

[compact sedge]

it's kinda memey that you need 753 geo just to fight super mega lost kin extreme.

like what do you do if you get to ancient basin with 754

I guess faulty wallet + let yourself die + kill shade

[opal hearth]

or buy something

[compact sedge]

tfw in ancient basin and nothing to buy because it's ancient basin

[leaden hedge]

buy eggs

[copper nacelle]

geo fountain

[leaden hedge]

and then avoid picking up geo

[compact sedge]

but then you have to collect 753 geo

[copper nacelle]

faulty wallet shade thing is the easiest

[compact sedge]

you can't just deposit one geo into the fountain right?

[copper nacelle]

you lose like 20-30 geo iirc

yeah you deposit your entire geo

[compact sedge]

actually before you fixed it after I pointed it out

you'd lose ALL your geo

with faulty wallet + shade

bigmeme

[opal hearth]

so 753 geo, and i get to fight a boss i'm horrifically unqualified for

[copper nacelle]

yeet

[compact sedge]

so assuming the original lightbringer was like that

imagine dying with faulty wallet and 50,000 geo or something

[dusky lion]

F

[copper nacelle]

just get full soul before killing your shade

or take off wallet before killing shade

[compact sedge]

no the problem is the way it was originally programmed

it checked if you had full soul by comparing your soul against 99

which you can't get if you have a shade

which means picking up any geo with a shade and faulty gives you 0 geo

always

or it did

[opal hearth]

weird q. why can't i access the mods menu w a controller lol

[copper nacelle]

oh yeah it did

cause controllers are illegal

it did 99 - this.mp or whatever

[opal hearth]

controllers are illegal. hmmst

[solemn rivet]

cause

reasons

[leaden hedge]

it used to work in my mod version

and it also used to not break the video fullscreen option

[solemn rivet]

I think kerr simply stole an existing button or smth

[leaden hedge]

but it was weird and hacky to avoid weird csharp referencing stuff

he did

kerr did it the same way mods did

although he used a different button

but i'm pretty sure when wyza ported my mod version to modding api he removed a "redundant" line or two

atleast thats probably what happened, I had a couple of object = object lying about

because otherwise csharp would do 420iq stuff

[solemn rivet]

wait - that was wyza, not kerr

you're right

we need to start keeping track of that stuff

[leaden hedge]

yes thats how my impkementation of the mod menu works

it stole the fullscreen button

wyza didn't code the ui for that I did, he just ported it to modding api

[solemn rivet]

for the future generations to know how much we struggled

makes sense

[leaden hedge]

and coded the items in there

[solemn rivet]

you were the one who spent most time working with canvas stuffs

[leaden hedge]

its not actually canvas

[solemn rivet]

oh, really?

I thought the main menu was canvas

well, shows how much I know

[leaden hedge]

well I guess at some point it is canvas

but the main object is called Selectable/MenuSelectable

[solemn rivet]

I see

[leaden hedge]

its actually pretty simple tbh

it has 4 Selectable variables for U,R,D,L so it knows what to go to when you press a button
what to do when you press cancel on it
what to do when you press accept on it
and where to render it

only reason I copied fullscreen was to get the arrows at the side to work nicely without having to reimplement them

[compact sedge]

why does the modding api main menu item not work with controllers though?

[rain cedar]

Idk, randomizer menu works fine with controller

Wyza probably missed some event

[leaden hedge]

most likely because the navigation object gets overwrote by something else

or it didn't get correctly set

[charred parrot]

does HK use standard Unity physics or do they have their own custom thing up in there?

[leaden hedge]

if you mean does it use unities physic system yes

although some stuff has custom gravity

TC are literally the worst programmers of all time

nothing they have is custom

[charred parrot]

what are jumpsteps referring to in the code?

[leaden hedge]

iirc its how long you can hold jump until you start to fall

[charred parrot]

I thought jump was supplied by a regular old set velocity

[leaden hedge]

it is but you aren;t affected by gravity until you release jump

or atleast x frames pass

[charred parrot]

oh really?

so what's slowing you down

[leaden hedge]

nothing

[charred parrot]

wut

[leaden hedge]

thats why you travel at a consistent rate

[charred parrot]

you do??

[leaden hedge]

yes

[charred parrot]

holy shit I need to freaking open the game up again

what about the arcing motion at the height of the jump?

[leaden hedge]

well then thats once jump_steps exceeds JUMP_STEPS

the reason why theres an arc when you hold and not when you release

is because release sets your velocity to 0

[compact sedge]

how does unity physics handle jerk

or like air resistance

[leaden hedge]

before making you affected by gravity

[compact sedge]

etc

because it's always felt weird to me

[charred parrot]

it has this property on the rigidbody

called linear drag

I think

[compact sedge]

normally you'd expect the rate of gravitational acceleration to sharply decrease as you approach terminal velocity.

and not just linearly decrease

[charred parrot]

there is no terminal velocity

by default

[compact sedge]

well terminal velocity isn't like a real thing irl either

[leaden hedge]

there is

[compact sedge]

it's just the point at which drag cancels out with gravity

[leaden hedge]

its c

[charred parrot]

well I mean

[compact sedge]

you mean drag never cancels gravity in unity

[charred parrot]

it is but the physics engine of reality is quite comple

so

[leaden hedge]

I'd like to see you go faster than the speed of light

there is no drag

[compact sedge]

from your perspective there's no max speed

the closer you get to c the more time dilates such that it feels like you can accelerate forever

[leaden hedge]

prove it imo

[charred parrot]

honestly Hollow Knight's controls are some of the jerkiest I've seen in a platformer

[leaden hedge]

everything about hollow knight is janky

[charred parrot]

but iz gud game

[leaden hedge]

is it though

[compact sedge]

wait are you an alt of someone?

[leaden hedge]

I rarely see people praising the gameplay

99% of the time its:
good art
good music
many explore

boss hard

[charred parrot]

I think the gameplay is pretty damn solid

[leaden hedge]

dark souls of metroidvania

[compact sedge]

lul

[leaden hedge]

its really hard to not be "solid"

[charred parrot]

I'll admit that movement (especially the wall jump) was hard to get used to

but otherwise its good

[compact sedge]

you know what's weird to me

wall dashing sends you farther than normal dashing

[leaden hedge]

did you know dashing sends you a random distance

[charred parrot]

...

[compact sedge]

stop

[leaden hedge]

and you can actually dash infinitely if the game lags

[compact sedge]

I don't need these lies

[charred parrot]

did they forget to multiple by time.fixedDeltaTime or something?

[leaden hedge]

no

the game doesn't simulate stuff correctly

[charred parrot]

but

but how

[compact sedge]

the dash vector is done on a fixed thing tho

[leaden hedge]

so if a frame took one second but an action only lasts half a second

it'll go twice as far

[charred parrot]

is the code split between an FSM and a c# script?

[compact sedge]

the C# is a lot of monobehaviors that are added to fsms

[leaden hedge]

probably

i know you can get up to the secret passage above salubra with no items at all

[charred parrot]

1 sec let me look on the hero controller script for that dash

[leaden hedge]

by getting hit by a mob below and having the game lag

[compact sedge]

this is why I wanted a custom Time.DeltaTime function for if there's ever a TAS

so you can lag manipulate

probably lets you clip through walls too

[compact sedge]

since wall colliders are line thick

for some reason

[leaden hedge]

i dunno

I think walls are raycasted

[compact sedge]

idk how it's done but it's a line collider

[leaden hedge]

yeah look theres no limiter

for if dash_timer goes over DASH_TIME

[compact sedge]

but Time.deltaTime is always 0.02f tho

[charred parrot]

let me find what Finish Dash does

[compact sedge]

in this function

[leaden hedge]

doesn't matter

that function doesn't even move the character

[compact sedge]

oh

[leaden hedge]

and at the bottom theres Time.deltaTime

that just sets the characters velocity for every frame they are dashing

[compact sedge]

but it would only work if the length of a frame is more than dash_timer, or at least close enough to dash_timer that it makes a noticable difference

[leaden hedge]

I mean even like a small amount makes a difference

the distance of a dash is completely random

by several pixels

making setups for skips rng and computer specific

[compact sedge]

no framerate is not rng

[charred parrot]

shouldn't they be using Time.fixedDeltaTime?

[leaden hedge]

they shouldn't be doing either

its pretty easy

[compact sedge]

first of all, your framerate is not generated by a random number generator. Secondly, it's not random

ok mr programming god how u do it

[leaden hedge]

it is random

[rain cedar]

Technically nothing in a computer is random

If you want to split hairs here

[leaden hedge]

I could freeze the game and ask you how long the frame lasted

and you wouldn't be able to guess

so its random 🤔

[charred parrot]

wait wait wait

so what part of the code here

is causing the randomness

[compact sedge]

it's only random in the sense that brownian motion which dissipates heat from the cpu is technically random

[charred parrot]

and how should they fix

[compact sedge]

but it evens out on a non-quantum scale

[charred parrot]

also keep in mind what I just pasted is pre-lifeblood

so

meh

[rain cedar]

Would it be better if we said it's unpredictable?

I don't know why you're arguing this even

[compact sedge]

because memes

but

[charred parrot]

not arguing, I just want to know whats generating this randomness

[compact sedge]

aanyway how woud you do it?

[leaden hedge]

also its just
time = time.deltaTime;
if( currentTime + time >= dash_time )
time = dash_time - currentTime;
currentTime += time;
use time instead of deltaTime

fixed

[compact sedge]

mail code to TC

[cunning geyser]

Hi guys, im new to modding. How do i install debug mod? i tried google and youtube but not much help

[leaden hedge]

the randomness is the total time you spend dashing is effectively random

[compact sedge]

have you tried 📌

[leaden hedge]

by around a frame

well half a frame +- half a frame

[charred parrot]

but why though

what did they goof

[compact sedge]

the randomness is that the time spent dashing will always exceed the time you should be dashing and the amount it will exceed it is up to the length of one frame

[leaden hedge]

because it only ends when time > dash_time

sometimes time will be exactly equal to dash_time and work perfectly

sometimes it'll be 0.00000000001 less

[charred parrot]

oh

OH

[leaden hedge]

and it'll do a full frame after

[compact sedge]

and it doesn't use the difference between time and dash_time to determine the actual distance you should dash

[charred parrot]

because frames

[leaden hedge]

yes it isn't calculating how long into the frame it should have been dashing

it just assumes the entire frame was dashing

which when you have a laggy pc which sometimes lags to <10 fps like me

you get stuff moving you way further than it should

or WORSE enemies moving way more than they should

[compact sedge]

what's ur specs that you get <10 fps on HK

[leaden hedge]

I've had NKG zip fullscreen when doing an uppercut

[compact sedge]

I mean not that HK is well made or anything

[leaden hedge]

my harddrive is bad

it loads stuff at runtime

it has to wait for it to load

[compact sedge]

how much ram do you have

[leaden hedge]

8gb

[compact sedge]

oh that sucks then

if you had more file caching would be better, or you could force it to be better by making a ramdisk or something.

[leaden hedge]

it only really happens when im using obs

[compact sedge]

(file caching on windows sucks tho)

[leaden hedge]

the drops are only like 45fps without it

[compact sedge]

I guess that means the game doesn't load everything it needs to for a scene the second you enter

[leaden hedge]

its generally when enemies spawn stuff

[compact sedge]

So spawnobjectfromglobalpool or whatever isn't cached then

[leaden hedge]

balloon phase, and the fire behind grimm do it

[compact sedge]

no wonder

[leaden hedge]

pillars and firebats are fine though

[cunning geyser]

Is debug mod still working?

[leaden hedge]

yes

do you have api and modcommon installed

[cunning geyser]

i have api installed

[leaden hedge]

M O D C O M M O N?

[cunning geyser]

not yet i think

[rain cedar]

Debug is from before modcommon even existed

[pearl sentinel]

^

[leaden hedge]

oh is it randomizer that needs it

[young walrus]

Correct download? In the right place? You off beta?

[pearl sentinel]

yo mickely, nice save on that PoP tip on patty's stream

[young walrus]

?

[pearl sentinel]

watched that vod and you saved the stream there

[young walrus]

What tip tho

[leaden hedge]

theres a beta api that works

afaik

[pearl sentinel]

streamer like.... a week ago? was playing hk, you clued him into where PoP was when he was doing white palace

[young walrus]

I know who patty is.

Lol

[cunning geyser]

i just follow the readme file from seanpr... so is modcommon needed for debug mod now?

[pearl sentinel]

well, yeah, still. if not for you he likely wouldn't have done it

[leaden hedge]

no

apparently not

what happens when you load the game

[opal hearth]

sooo. am i supposed to fight this pain in the keister updated gruz mother without being able to get sly beforehand? it's late so maybe i'm forgetting something but if i can't get sly, i can't get the buglight or whatever, so i can't go around to get to him the other way?

[young walrus]

You didn't answer any of my questions

[leaden hedge]

do you have a menu at the top left

[charred parrot]

you know why not instead of a timer they just define a distance for the dash

[cunning geyser]

there is a writing on top left corner

[leaden hedge]

does it say debug?

[cunning geyser]

Modding api

[pearl sentinel]

@young walrus

you mean what tip?

[cunning geyser]

@leaden hedge it says Modding Api

[young walrus]

No. Azvon

[leaden hedge]

because defining a distance is identical to define a time

[pearl sentinel]

gotcha

[young walrus]

I asked 3 questions.

Didn't answer one of them

[rain cedar]

There's like 5 conversations right now

[leaden hedge]

also distance has additional problems if you're on a moving platform or other oddities

if it just says modding api you didn't install debug mod

it should list your installed mods at the top left

[cunning geyser]

ya...i think is either i downloaded the wrong debug mod or i placed it in a wrong folder

[rain cedar]

Send a screenshot of where you put the files

[leaden hedge]

also this multiple conversation thing is why we asked for 2 channels

one for install / debugging for end users

[young walrus]

^

[leaden hedge]

and one for actual programming

[rain cedar]

And one for discussing path of pain

[charred parrot]

oooo boi path of pain

[leaden hedge]

yeah well thats just offtopic

but thats fine

[pearl sentinel]

[rain cedar]

#archived-modding-development-real
#archived-modding-development-stupidpeople
#archived-modding-development-offtopic

[leaden hedge]

oh does anyone have hk on switch

can they check that HKSM works with switch saves

[rain cedar]

It's probably identical saves

[leaden hedge]

they are just plaintext

so it should work converting between

[rain cedar]

Weird

[leaden hedge]

but I don't know if they are actually identical otherwise

no reason to encrypt if you can't access them normally I guess

I imagine the game is very similar in all regards on switch

[compact sedge]

why are they encrypted on pc anyway

[leaden hedge]

hopefully with the physical release we can unpack it and repack it

I guess to stop people just editting their damage

[compact sedge]

is this them subtley hinting to us that they don't want us modding their game

[rain cedar]

I don't know where you downloaded from that has a folder with that name

[cunning geyser]

i got it from here https://github.com/seanpr96/DebugMod

[rain cedar]

Of course you did

Check the pins

[compact sedge]

sigh- go download visual studio or monodevelop if ur gonna compile it from source

[leaden hedge]

modding api should compile source files

[compact sedge]

but what if they wanna compile modding api

[leaden hedge]

unlucky

they'll need a modding api to do that

[cunning geyser]

so..wht do i do now? please guide me

[compact sedge]

have you tried

📌

[leaden hedge]

📌

[cunning geyser]

sorry

what is pin

[pearl sentinel]

[rain cedar]

Pinned messages

[cunning geyser]

pin from discord?

[rain cedar]

No on reddit

[cunning geyser]

owh

[leaden hedge]

at the top right of your discord window

theres a pin image

click on it

scroll down until you see one with a lot of text and a google drive link

[rain cedar]

I should update that pin but there's so many mods now

It's already too much with what's there

[leaden hedge]

theres still a file in the drive

[cunning geyser]

yes

found it

[leaden hedge]

that has like 5 mods listed

[pearl sentinel]

time to write a pin installer that auto updates pins from some db/link/etc

[leaden hedge]

when is there a modding site for hollow knight smh

its not like hosting sites costs money or anything

[rain cedar]

To be fair there are free hosts

Just not good ones

[pearl sentinel]

i pay for hosting on amazon that i basically do nothing with constantly, woo

[rain cedar]

Wow nice perfect place for HK modding site

[pearl sentinel]

aka, gimmie something to host

[leaden hedge]

how does amazon hosting work

[cunning geyser]

okay. so now where do i extrct it to?

[pearl sentinel]

super easy

[leaden hedge]

do we get a database and file storage

[compact sedge]

I presume aws right?

[pearl sentinel]

yep, if you want

aws, yeah

[compact sedge]

yeah you can pay for a bunch of different things

[rain cedar]

For now you could just put up the docs KDT was working on

[leaden hedge]

I think we can put those on RTD for free, although they show ads

[pearl sentinel]

like right now i use it to host my old wedding rsvp page and a unity game i made for a game jam compition

super serious stuff

occasionally i check the saved data entry stuff for the rsvp and find people that tried to do ghetto db hacks like the bobby tables thing

[rain cedar]

How do people even find the site?

[pearl sentinel]

literally no idea

[leaden hedge]

how often do people try that lol

[pearl sentinel]

like, i think it has to be robots or somthing

[leaden hedge]

like I imagine 99% of sites by hobbyists will have better security than pretty much any major site

with much less to steal

[pearl sentinel]

i mean, i made my stuff dump to literal text with no processing at all, because i'd have like 20 people rsvp max, and then just copy it by hand from there. so their efforts are pointless

but it happens

[leaden hedge]

but yeah once I get these docs done I can probably set up something simple like raindb

[pearl sentinel]

here's some entries

Guest: Barnypok "FMtwLnvXhuTWPyTZotR

    Email: [e-mail]
    Attending?: 0
    Guest Count: 5

[leaden hedge]

wow legit email

[pearl sentinel]

Guest: a:0:{} a:0:{}

    Email: a:0:{}
    Attending?: a:0:{}
    Guest Count: 

[leaden hedge]

old jfvynms4281rt

[pearl sentinel]

Guest: Test123 Test123

    Email: [e-mail]
    Attending?: 1
    Guest Count: 5

^you know he'll show up

[leaden hedge]

well i trust a:0:{} attending

truly a great number

[compact sedge]

hey Test123 is the bride's father's uncle's sister in law

[pearl sentinel]

Guest: "GoldenTabs "XGDLoEoOcEYIMPpzJz

    Email: [e-mail]
    Attending?: 1
    Guest Count: 4

because i always ask support for help

so they should be there when it counts

anyway

if you guys need some web hosting i can probably do it

if we want a fancy url it'll cost a few bucks.... but like... i pay more for breakfast at mcdonalds, so....

[leaden hedge]

hollowknightmods.xxx tbh

[rain cedar]

Wow that is so much more expensive than the normal extensions

[compact sedge]

why tho

[leaden hedge]

porn is lucrative

[compact sedge]

who pays 130 for a domain as long as hollowknightmods

[leaden hedge]

and xxx is for porn

i don't think we have to be worried about someone else buying hollowknightmods.xxx though

so we don't have to hurry

[compact sedge]

flukenest.xxx on the othernad

[rain cedar]

othernad

[compact sedge]

not even gonna correct it

[leaden hedge]

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/blob/b7dcadc930b4dda8d3248cc14edc15e58547fcc0/Assembly-CSharp/ModHooks.cs#L1011 yeah this hook is totally related to a variable in this class

and not AddHealth

[flat forum]

Flukemilf.xxx

[compact sedge]

flukenest.xxx only 80 dollars a year

apparently

[leaden hedge]

how much is flukemilf.xxx

[flat forum]

Hm

[leaden hedge]

i bet milf is a keyword though

[compact sedge]

same price

[rain cedar]

The tabbing in ModHooks is fucked again

[flat forum]

[compact sedge]

actually

[rain cedar]

Nice

[compact sedge]

I can get all the xxx ones for that price

namecheap.com

baby

not that I have 80 dollars a year to throw around on a stupid meme

teamberry.com is super expensive tho

[leaden hedge]

get flukemilf.xxx and just make it redirect to a imgur picture of flukemilf

[compact sedge]

costs 4.5k

someone thinks its worth a lot more than it really is I guess

[leaden hedge]

does someone already own it

[compact sedge]

yeah

[leaden hedge]

its TC

[compact sedge]

"premium" domains

are when a company buys out all the domains they think will sell for a lot

and then sells them for shittons

like 10k each

if they can sell one domain a year they can sustain buying 1000 domains

it's a crappy business

[rain cedar]

Probably just bought out anything resembling a porn domain

[compact sedge]

https://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=hungryknight&e=com monsters

[flat forum]

This is adorable

[pearl sentinel]

basically my life lately

[flat forum]

Now go get a cup or something because my heart melted

[pearl sentinel]

he's a little shit, but he's coming along

fyi; don't ever get a puppy unless you want to simulate having a baby

[leaden hedge]

FocusCostHook is this only called once at the start of your heal

or every frame?

[flat forum]

After a Fierce battle the Hound finally defeats the plush chinese take out box thing (circa 1918, colourised)

[compact sedge]

aww hell yeah I can buy infinitegrimm.com

time to make a procedural grimms fairy tale generator

[leaden hedge]

how about we think of good names

🤔

[flat forum]

how about we think of good memes in #297468195026239489

[leaden hedge]

is .pin an extension

I want checkthe.pin

to be our site

[compact sedge]

pinnedtomoddingchannel.com is for sale

[leaden hedge]

too long

[compact sedge]

pinnedtomodding.chat

25 dollars a year

wtf theres .meme tld

and it's owned by google

[flat forum]

[rain cedar]

The start of your focus KDT

The rest of it isn't handled in C#

[leaden hedge]

ok just making sure I'm not lying to people in the docs

        public float FocusCostCalc(){
            return (float)PlayerData.instance.GetInt("MPCharge") / 33.0f;
        }

this should make focusing consume all your soul right

assuming no oddities with floats

[compact sedge]

I hope this lets me focus with 1 soul

[rain cedar]

Ok I lied the rest is in C#

[leaden hedge]

no

[rain cedar]

Mostly at least

if (this.drainMP)
{
    this.drainMP_timer += Time.deltaTime;
    this.drainMP_seconds += Time.deltaTime;
    while (this.drainMP_timer >= this.drainMP_time)
    {
        this.MP_drained += 1f;
        this.drainMP_timer -= this.drainMP_time;
        this.TakeMP(1);
        this.gm.soulOrb_fsm.SendEvent("MP DRAIN");
        if (this.MP_drained == this.focusMP_amount)
        {
            this.MP_drained -= this.drainMP_time;
            this.proxyFSM.SendEvent("HeroCtrl-FocusCompleted");
        }
    }
}```

[leaden hedge]

as you can't start to focus until you have 33 afaik

[rain cedar]

Hook is still at the start though

[leaden hedge]

or whatever focusMP_amount is

which should always be 33 afaik

[opal hearth]

question. does having blackmoth active reduce the damage from the ranged attack in lightbringer?

[leaden hedge]

probably

[rain cedar]

Blackmoth sets nail damage to 1 constantly, I think

Depends on when lightbringer sets its damage I guess

[opal hearth]

alright. was just curious cuz i had some trouble with a couple bosses, but used the dashes against soul master, and he went down like nothing.

[rain cedar]

Lightbringer by itself gives you half damage

So it's meant to be weak

[leaden hedge]

its probably being set off nail damage

and probably whenever you swing

[compact sedge]

hey kerr how much does aws charge for hosting again

[opal hearth]

well i know the nail itself is set mad low, i meant the ranged beam part of it

[leaden hedge]

well thats probably based of nail damage too

[compact sedge]

I think it depends on your charms

there's like one that gives you six ranged things but they're small and do less individual damage

could always look at the code now that it's online

[opal hearth]

also it may not make a difference, i tried disabling blackmoth fighting those floating blob dudes after soul master. and having it both on and off, they took 3 hits.

i have no idea how to read code lol.

[leaden hedge]

bool flag6 = this.inputHandler.inputActions.dash.WasPressed && !ModHooks.Instance.OnDashPressed();
so if you return true in your DashPressed delegate, you WON'T dash?

[dusky lion]

Great how my mind refuses to remember what && means in C#

[leaden hedge]

logical and

[dusky lion]

I can grasp everything else but && just refuses me

I already searched it up right now

[leaden hedge]

i mean its just 2 ands

[dusky lion]

For like the 5th time

Yeah I don't know why

[rain cedar]

The idea with the dash pressed thing is you return true if you have your own implementation of it

[dusky lion]

Tis just a curse I was set with

[rain cedar]

So that it doesn't get fucked by the TC dash start

[leaden hedge]

oh makes sense

I aint putting a snippet for all that though

[leaden hedge]

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/blob/b7dcadc930b4dda8d3248cc14edc15e58547fcc0/Assembly-CSharp/ModHooks.cs#L1870

🤔

[rain cedar]

Submit a pr to fix it, maybe I'll accept it some time in the next month

[leaden hedge]

then'll I'll have 2 lines of code in the api

im working my way up

[rain cedar]

"code"

Also isn't all of CanvasUtil you?

[leaden hedge]

yeah it is

but wyza submitted it

so its under his account

[rain cedar]

Nice

[leaden hedge]

I only have one line and its to fix a typo wyza made in CanvasUtil

[rain cedar]

Wow I have 516 lines

That's nothing

I must not have done the initial commit of this

[leaden hedge]

probably firzen

[leaden hedge]

DrawBlackBordersHook whats this hook for?

who was like yeah we need to hook the thing that draws the vignette

also nice spell boarders

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/blob/b7dcadc930b4dda8d3248cc14edc15e58547fcc0/Assembly-CSharp/ModHooks.cs#L2180

gonna have 3 lines at this rate

[rain cedar]

An easy way to delete the black shit around the scene is pretty handy

[leaden hedge]

perfect

[copper nacelle]

that looks really nice

[leaden hedge]

well besides the fact that inline code doesn't wrap

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[rain cedar]

There's probably a pretty simple change to the css to make it wrap

[leaden hedge]

probably, I might just put them both in one code block so they take up less space

but I do like how the inline looks compared to blocks 🤔

https://github.com/KayDeeTee/HK-Modding-API-Docs here you go, every hook is in there atleast now

not everything has a snippet and some have pretty basic explanations

you can download html.zip to see the themed version

[ornate rivet]

woah

this is incredible

[leaden hedge]

hopefully it can get to the point where we don't have to answer questions anymore

[ornate rivet]

Just one question, how do I install mods

[leaden hedge]

I dunno

[rain cedar]

But what about uninstalling them?

[leaden hedge]

you use crossroads

it says in the picture too

[rain cedar]

What about mods for other games?

[leaden hedge]

I dunno

[rain cedar]

Help me out with some nice iconoclasts modding

[leaden hedge]

ok

ill append an iconoclasts tutorial to the hollow knight ones

[rain cedar]

Ok

It was made in Construct, which is open source

So just do me a favor and take the time to fully understand Construct

Then get back to me

[leaden hedge]

also i'm not sure who to credit copyright to on the docs

is it me, or is everyone that works on the api 🤔

[rain cedar]

It's DMS

[leaden hedge]

obviously

mcforge has that removed on their page

I wonder how I make sphinx do that

[ornate rivet]

"Too install mods"

[leaden hedge]

i grammar good

[ornate rivet]

[leaden hedge]

I fixed it

[ornate rivet]

nice thanks for making it by the way

[leaden hedge]

what else should I put in after hooks

theres some stuff I want to cover but I don't want it to be a "this is how unity works"

[rain cedar]

You could explain the general structure of the game

Just short bits on important files like PlayerData

[leaden hedge]

oh yeah I should probably mention dnspy

[leaden hedge]

ill probably fill out these topics

brb 30m anyway

[steep sail]

Oh

Seems good

[exotic venture]

an attempt to make modding even more accessible?

dang

now i have almost no excuse to not get involved with mod making

[rain cedar]

no excuse to get involved

Nice wording

[exotic venture]

i should've used a double negative i imagine

i should really get me some coffee

[steep sail]

☕ here

[exotic venture]

merci

[copper nacelle]

mystery HK mod when

[rain cedar]

Mod the game into an rts

[floral furnace]

Then you have guys only spamming aspids the entire match

[rain cedar]

Perfect

[exotic venture]

nah i'll make cornifer hum something else other than the standard humming

so every time you encounter him you get a dose of "what is that song he's humming tbh"

[copper nacelle]

make him hum bass boosted Thomas the tank engine

[steep sail]

Humming Soviet Anthem (jk, what about one of the OSTs)

[floral furnace]

make him hum salubra's blessing

[copper nacelle]

y e s

[rain cedar]

How to annoy casual players 101

[exotic venture]

the current list of songs is at least darude - sandstorm, smash mouth - all stars, your contract has expired from ahit, determination from undertale, eleventh hour from oneshot, hornet's theme...

but eh it might be modified in the future

[steep sail]

Train Rush from A Hat In Time maybe?

[exotic venture]

i might pick more atmospheric titles tho

[steep sail]

Oh, i see Snatcher's fight theme)

[exotic venture]

like subcon forest instead of your contract has expired

[copper nacelle]

smh no Thomas the tank engine bass boosted

[exotic venture]

i could do the regular version though

[floral furnace]

ive seen several people saying spells are broken so imo the best way to balance it is by not balancing it and instead replacing all spell sounds into bass boosted sawblade sounds from white palace, that way deterring everyone from using spells

[vocal hare]

lol, ur so right

[ornate rivet]

So in the example mods, the code uses Log(), where are you supposed to see the log outputting while playing the game

for example:
LogDebug("Critical hit!");

Where do I actually see that output while the code is running in the game?

[copper nacelle]

ModLog.txt

saves folder

you can also change the API global settings JSON in the saves folder to show the mod log on screen

[ornate rivet]

ok thanks

[ornate rivet]

so I am in ModdingApi.GlobalSettings.json but I dont see an option to enable mod log on screen

[leaden hedge]

    "BoolValues": {
        "keys": [
            "ShowDebugLogInGame"
        ],
        "values": [
            true
        ]
    },

[ornate rivet]

but thats already true

[leaden hedge]

do you see a thing at the bottom left?

[ornate rivet]

oh wait nvm

[leaden hedge]

press f10 if you don't

[ornate rivet]

I am dungo

it was there the entire time

thanks

[copper nacelle]

[leaden hedge]

I forgot about the logger

[copper nacelle]

wtf

I've been closing my game and setting it back to false

[leaden hedge]

why you no read the docs

[copper nacelle]

[wraith ether]

so what mods you guys made

[solemn rivet]

None

It's all a lie

[wraith ether]

can you make a mod where the knightis fast

?

like flash lol

[solemn rivet]

Sure, it's called Sprintmaster

[wraith ether]

no itsnot

[merry wren]

yes it is

sprintmaster+dashmaster

there

[wraith ether]

bruh

[merry wren]

I believe those two charms interact to make you even faster

no

[wraith ether]

you call that fast

im talking about the speed of the crystal dash at least

[merry wren]

wtf the world is not designed for that speed

it would probably do you more harm than good

[wraith ether]

a mod

[merry wren]

yes my point is that mod makes no SENSE

ok anyways bye

[wraith ether]

but is it possible

modders?

@copper nacelle

[solemn rivet]

It's possible

[wraith ether]

wher can i find base run speed

for changing it

[solemn rivet]

HeroController class

[wraith ether]

thanks you

[solemn rivet]

I honestly have no idea

but if I had to guess, I'd say it's some line of code in the game files

or in the save

[copper nacelle]

@wraith ether why tf ping

[solemn rivet]

cus

[wraith ether]

Dude 56 i asked a question about modding, i thought everyone will just troll around so i asked you.

@copper nacelle

[compact sedge]

yes you can do anything if you have infinite time and knowledge

as gradow said, it's possible

in practice, it's very likely that nobody here knows

they'd have to look it up

If they can look it up, so can you

[solemn rivet]

[exotic dune]

Why make the knight fast when you could make a list of every room connection in the game?

[compact sedge]

because I'm lazy

and I only work on mods that I'm interested in playing

and room randomizer seems too silly

[exotic dune]

I meant @ulamba lol

[fair rampart]

"how to be a modder 101" what does happen if I change this number? "game breaks and glitches "

better said , how to start being a modder

[compact sedge]

more like:

1. change number
2. nothing happens
   reasons:
   a) Unity silently throws exception and doesn't tell you
   b) number turns out to be useless
   c) you can't actually change the number because fsms are dumb

[fair rampart]

oh :3

I was recalling my experience with mugen hehe

I thought it would happen something similar here

[compact sedge]

oh heh

well this is my first game I've ever tried modding

and that's been my general experience

[fair rampart]

and with changing a number I meant something like changing a 15 to 1500

[compact sedge]

I guess it depends on the game

[fair rampart]

ye hehe

[compact sedge]

I've literally never even touched mugen so idk

[fair rampart]

is not that bad to be honest :3

but it has some limitations unluckuly ..

unluckily? ...

like it only lets you use 60 variables in total

[compact sedge]

no I mean I haven't even played the game

let alone try to mod it

[fair rampart]

well mugen isn't a game :3

mugen is a fighting platform

[compact sedge]

oh

[fair rampart]

you can make 2D fighting games with it

if you like fighting games or dragon ball z , check out Hyper Dragon Ball Z from Balthazar

[wraith ether]

fucking drama for a question and a ping/tag

[fair rampart]

if you complain you most likely will get worse help :3

[exotic venture]

fun fact: modders are not modding helpdesk

[fair rampart]

lol my grammar hahaha

[exotic venture]

it takes 100000 IQ to notice that tbh

[compact sedge]

is ok to ask dumb questions but I found it's much better to ask a question of someone when you know they've coded something similar in the past

[fair rampart]

(is it posible to edit other mods? ... like I wanna change something from the bonfire mod)

[exotic dune]

probably

[exotic venture]

gradow has a source up on his github

[compact sedge]

legally yes for all mods except seanprs

[exotic venture]

unless he moved shit over to gitlabs

[compact sedge]

gradows newest stuff is on gitlab

[exotic venture]

so not bonfire

[wraith ether]

ah the name calling to make yourself feel better

[compact sedge]

lpt: If you edit other modders mods to improve them, send them a merge/pull request

so that the main mod can improve

[fair rampart]

so then I can't just grab a "example mod" .dll and edit it , right?

[exotic venture]

in the end modding is a collaboration effort

[fair rampart]

no I just wanna cheat a bit :3

[exotic venture]

wow just install debug mod then

all the cheating you will ever need

no need to fuck about with bonfire then

[fair rampart]

I know~ but I wanna make it feel not so cheaty :3 hehe

[exotic venture]

there's zero difference

[compact sedge]

lots of collaboration from many different people here

[fair rampart]

if not I would just use cheat engine and add alll the geo I want~

I wanna make the curve in the cost a bit lower

[exotic venture]

then why don't you do that if you're planning to not play the game regularly

[fair rampart]

I dunno :3 hehe

[exotic venture]

did you even finish the game regularly

[fair rampart]

besides this way I learn a bit how to mod

yep~

[exotic venture]

did you finish it true end 107%?

[fair rampart]

nope :3

[exotic venture]

please do that before you decide you need crutches kthx

[young walrus]

As long as you compile your own fork, doesn't matter

[solemn rivet]

Also steel soul 107% in less than 5h

[exotic venture]

it's possible

[solemn rivet]

Otherwise you haven't experienced the game

Imo

/s

[exotic dune]

Also get a world record speedrun time? which will be hard with Todd Rogers

[fair rampart]

most likely , but I don't to experience the game the same way you guys did~

[solemn rivet]

I was being sarcastic

[exotic venture]

look at the /s

that's end of sarcasm

[compact sedge]

if you haven't played the game with glass soul hardmode you might as well just uninstall

[solemn rivet]

but as a general rule it's better to have completed the game to some extent before trying to mod it

so you know what to mod

[fair rampart]

oh okie :3 , here in south america we do (? instead

[solemn rivet]

well

I'm in south america and I don't do that so

xD

[fair rampart]

lol

[compact sedge]

well it's optional but I wouldn't have had any ideas for things to mod if I hadn't killed NKG

so like it was helpful to me to beat the game 107%

[solemn rivet]

also, Sean, if you're seeing this. Playing the 107% rando hard the other day made me consider something. How about having Hornet give you hints about the remaining items if you're only missing like 3 or 4 charms/abilities?

it can get pretty confusing the longer you go, and it's easy to forget to check some places/think you have already checked somewhere you haven't

[exotic venture]

or buy the map

[solemn rivet]

and Ulamba, just don't abuse pings and you'll be fine. We like to troll from time to time, but we're also very helpful to people who actually try to do stuff here

map?

[exotic venture]

yeah, buying maps

[solemn rivet]

does map show pickups in rando2 or am I being bamboozled

[fair rampart]

... do the map actualy like change forms in rando??

[exotic venture]

buying maps and quill at the end might show you areas you haven't been to

[solemn rivet]

well, yeah

[exotic venture]

also that latter part would be sweeeet

hornet giving you a map of stuff you have missed at the end

just showing item locations

[solemn rivet]

yeah

dunno about the feasibility of that

[exotic venture]

aye... might be tough

[solemn rivet]

but just hornet saying "check such and such places" might be enough

because maybe you're already been there, but without the required ability and couldn't reach the item

so map wouldn't be terribly helpful there

[compact sedge]

does rando ater swapping the locations of stuff, actually store where it put the things?

[solemn rivet]

yeah

in the save, at least

it's not easy to read tho

[compact sedge]

maybe hornet could tell you the location where you have the most missing stuff

like: Try searching deepnest

or something

[fair rampart]

emm gradow do you have a link for the source of bonfire?

[compact sedge]

https://gitlab.com/gradow/BonfireMod

[solemn rivet]

^

[fair rampart]

thankies~

[solemn rivet]

it's very poorly commented/documented

cause I literally have no idea what I'm doing

well, I somewhat do now

[fair rampart]

hehe

[compact sedge]

no it's because the code is self-explanatory

[solemn rivet]

but I didn't when I first wrote it

[compact sedge]

duh

[solemn rivet]

I promise I'll get around to it someday

like I did with the modmanager

but today is not that day

[fair rampart]

don't worry I will figure it out~

[compact sedge]

crap I should document my mods

bigthink

[solemn rivet]

hey are you making fun of me

wanna fite m8

[compact sedge]

No like my code is absolutely undocumented

and super unclear in some places

but I'm like... so lazy

[solemn rivet]

Angle and Gradow's friendship level has increased

I am thou, thou art I

[exotic venture]

:effort: when

[solemn rivet]

Best boi mys

what would that look like tho

maybe... Zote?

or sleeping Cornifer

[fair rampart]

mm?

[solemn rivet]

an :effort: emote

[exotic venture]

no clue

totally open for suggestions though

[solemn rivet]

I'm already using Zote for the modinstaller tho

2zote5me

anyways, gotta go

give a lecture

see y'all later

[exotic venture]

seeya!

[fair rampart]

what about bretta?

baii~

[solemn rivet]

what about bretta?

[fair rampart]

for the emote

I mean she is always like hyping everything out

[solemn rivet]

The idea is the opposite of that

[fair rampart]

oh okie

[solemn rivet]

I use :effort: when something is too much effort for me to even bother with

[fair rampart]

oh ~

I thought it would be like a , "you can do it " emote or something

[compact sedge]

what about this, we're so lazy we're not even gonna make an emote for :effort:

[fair rampart]

it makes sense

[solemn rivet]

Makes too much sense imo

[fair rampart]

what is the use of dnspy?

[solemn rivet]

Achieving godhood

And decompiling the game's assembly

[fair rampart]

oh okie :3

[solemn rivet]

It's useful to figure out what stuff you need to change to achieve what you want to achieve

[ornate rivet]

why is the nail damage 0 when I use this

PlayerData.instance.nailDamage

the nail damage is fine when I restart a new game but when I save and quit it becomes 0

[compact sedge]

so saving and quitting and then loading causes it to be 0

[ornate rivet]

yea

[compact sedge]

idk probably shitty code

I'd just calculate the nail damage by hand

[ornate rivet]

ok

[compact sedge]

are you including charms

[copper nacelle]

are you checking when it's actually loaded

[ornate rivet]

uhh

[compact sedge]

oh that's a fair point too

[ornate rivet]

public override void Initialize()

right?

[compact sedge]

no

[copper nacelle]

no

[ornate rivet]

oof

[copper nacelle]

that's title screen

[ornate rivet]

how do I check if it's initialized then?

[copper nacelle]

AfterSavegameLoadHook imo

[ornate rivet]

ok

[compact sedge]

depends on how much you need loaded tho

[copper nacelle]

could start a coroutine and just wait

[compact sedge]

I have this for when that's not enough https://gitlab.com/natis1/redwing/blob/master/redwing/greymoth.cs#L131

yeah

[copper nacelle]

yield return new WaitForEndOfFrame();

y

[compact sedge]

memes

[copper nacelle]

[ornate rivet]

ok thanks

[copper nacelle]

bigger memes

[rain cedar]

WaitForEndOfFrame is more clear on the intent

[copper nacelle]

read somewhere wait for end of frame is also after a bunch of other stuff too

[solemn rivet]

Also, if you're going to edit nailDamage don't forget to broadcast the event

[copper nacelle]

found it

https://answers.unity.com/storage/temp/29674-order.png

[rain cedar]

WaitForEndOfFrame is a completely empty class though

It should be identical to yield return null

[compact sedge]

bigmeme

thanks unity

[vagrant leaf]

mfw i check the gdrive and it's twice as big as when i last checked

[compact sedge]

geeze when's the last time you checked

1994

[vagrant leaf]

no a few months ago

[compact sedge]

delete urself

we have real lightbringer

[vagrant leaf]

i know

i haven't bothered with mods for a while ok

[copper nacelle]

consider

not being bad

[vagrant leaf]

u

[copper nacelle]

u

[hollow pier]

expert goblins

[vagrant leaf]

shut you're heck

[opal hearth]

i just want to lul for a minute. randomized blackmoth/lightbringer run. just beat false knight, and have no charms, but i do have mothwing cloak, shade cloak, and mantis claw. lmaooo

what a good seed

hey chat, i've got a bug, and i'm not memeing

there ain't no symbol for these x.x

[rain cedar]

Weird

[opal hearth]

yeah. x.x

[compact sedge]

why does rando change all the text descriptions

[rain cedar]

Why not?

[copper nacelle]

cause the new text descriptions are god

[opal hearth]

because some of em don't have descriptions, so if they end up in the shop, then it actually says something, and if you're gonna add some, might as well add a bunch

[compact sedge]

ah ok

[opal hearth]

also what LVI said

i don't know how much these cost x.x

[compact sedge]

it's free if they don't catch you

[opal hearth]

the legend of hollow knight: link's awakening

[compact sedge]

is it possible on switch to install games to an sd card

or some other removable media?

and if so why has nobody installed mods on HK switch yet

[copper nacelle]

cause switch bad

[opal hearth]

gyazo isn't working right so i can't screencap a gif, but if i shade dash by iselda's shop and turn left, my screen zooms down and to the left into blackness