archived-modding-development

[tranquil glen]

I feel like if you could just find where the current rounds initiative is stored it wouldn't be that bad

[compact sedge]

modders do not have access to original source code

[tranquil glen]

but i also know nothing

[compact sedge]

that's a fact

but with unity games we can decompile c# to look almost like what the original did

which is only possible with bytecode languages like c#, java, python, etc

that's how there's any HK mods at all

is DD a unity game?

[tranquil glen]

don't believe so

this really wouldn't be possible then?

[compact sedge]

even if it's not, or even if it is a unity game but they used some form of code obfuscation, it may still be possible given enough time

but the amount of effort required makes it usually not worth it for most games

especially when there are other games which have either been deobfuscated or which lack any obfuscation, or which have modding tools specifically made for them.

there's just too many games and not enough modders

[tranquil glen]

yeah fair enough, the game devs support the modding a lot and even hired a modder for parts of the latest dlc but based on what this guy is saying it looks like they only really made class files and trinkets and stuff like that available

[rain cedar]

Sounds like the game is heavily data driven

But some critical bits of it are still written with C/C++/whatever

[compact sedge]

One problem with writing mods for C/C++ is that you often are left with just assembly functions to work with

[rain cedar]

There are programs that can decompile to C

But it's not good C and it doesn't resemble the original at all

Barely better than the asm

[compact sedge]

Well it's not like you can't decompile assembly, but also the amount of optimization that can be done on C/C++ is a lot more than say C# which is good for speed but these optimizations destroy the original code

also I think mods made in assembly languages are not cross platform

I don't even know how to compile windows c binaries, let alone for mac

[rain cedar]

Yeah same here I just know how to do it in unix

[compact sedge]

but you can mod c/c++ programs and one great thing is you don't even need a modding API to load the mod binaries at runtime, since you can use LD_PRELOAD.

(but of course you will want a modding api for all the other stuff it provides such as specialized mid-function hooks, and usually modding apis in these languages will also deobfuscate the original code or give you function names which makes it easier to understand)

[rain cedar]

Deobfuscating decompiled code is a ton of work though

[compact sedge]

yeah, a ton of boring work nobody wants to do

when they could just be modding kerbal space program or something

simultaniously boring but also requires a lot of computer knowledge.

Which is like the perfect storm for apathy.

[tranquil glen]

what about an intitiative tracker for hollow knight Kappa

[compact sedge]

HK turn based combat sounds awful tho

[tranquil glen]

oh yeah 100%

i'd hate that

[compact sedge]

You know how in turn based RPGs a turn is around 6 ish seconds of real time

it might be cool to have an action game where the character can do whatever moves they want for 6 seconds but then they freeze in place and the enemies can move for a short period of time and you have to try to make it so the enemies can't get any hits in in that time.

[rain cedar]

That sounds like transistor

[compact sedge]

I need to play that

[copper nacelle]

it's really good

[leaden hedge]

deobfuscation of decompiled code is aids, asm is more readable tbh

[compact sedge]

IMO the way to do it is to deobfuscate asm functions, not to decompile the asm and then deob that.

but even still... no thanks

[leaden hedge]

I only ever do it to skip having to reverse engineer stuff fileformats when trying to "borrow" assets

why figure it out when every game ships with a reader for their fileformats

I don't think I'd ever try to add assets or anything via asm hacks

thats too many iqs for me

[vagrant leaf]

@copper nacelle where new lightbringer download

[copper nacelle]

installer

or gdrive

[exotic venture]

or scroll up a couple of messages

where 56 just posted it

[leaden hedge]

        if (this.playerData.equippedCharm_27)
        {
            this.playerData.joniHealthBlue = (int)((float)this.playerData.maxHealth * 1.4f);
            this.playerData.maxHealth = 1;
            this.playerData.MaxHealth();
            this.joniBeam = true;
        }

hey I found the jonis code

no wonder it always set my health to 1

[exotic venture]

*1.4f

wiki wrong again

banned at this point

[leaden hedge]

wiki is always wrong

got no dataminers

[compact sedge]

1.4 and it rounds down

[leaden hedge]

finish off these docs for me pls angle

thank

[compact sedge]

you're making actual docs?

[leaden hedge]

yes

[compact sedge]

will the docs have a section for modcommon components?

[leaden hedge]

I don't use modcommon so I can't write that

[compact sedge]

ok

but I do

[leaden hedge]

same as crossroads

I've never used it so I can't give instructions on how it works

I don't mind having a section for addons

but I probably can't write good docs for it

[merry wren]

@compact sedge fix that spelling mistake

I mean it's not like anyone will do that low a damage but still

it's

BOTHERING ME

[leaden hedge]

you're capible of spelling better

[merry wren]

capible

cap

ible

[leaden hedge]

its ible to be a cap

I'm gonna make a github for actual docs then move it over to readthedocs.io once it done

[merry wren]

@leaden hedge What happens if you have NGG and IG installed at the same time?

[leaden hedge]

they aren't compatible on the same versions of the game afaik

[merry wren]

oooh

[leaden hedge]

so if you're on lifeblood IG will probably work

and if you're on TGT NGG will probably work

[merry wren]

"probably"

NGG isn't lifeblood compatible yet?

[leaden hedge]

no

NGG is in IG

in lifeblood

just set an option

[merry wren]

"NGG is in IG" uh

[leaden hedge]

go to InfiniteGrimmMod.GlobalSettings.json

[merry wren]

ok

in saves right?

[leaden hedge]

yes

[merry wren]

oh shit

is it hard mode?

[leaden hedge]

and make bool values look like

    "BoolValues": {
        "keys": [
            "HardMode",
            "ReduceLagInGrimmFight",
            "NightmareGodGrimm"
        ],
        "values": [
            false,
            false,
            true
        ]
    },

no hardmode is just 3x speed at max

[merry wren]

oh ok

so that enables NGG?

[leaden hedge]

yes

[merry wren]

so wait NGG is built into IG?

[leaden hedge]

yes

[solemn rivet]

and it's infinite

[merry wren]

well that's nice

so it's infinite NGG

to turn NGG into IG I just have to change the true value to false right?

[solemn rivet]

yup

[merry wren]

so wait can you do hard mode+NGG?

[solemn rivet]

eh

maybe?

[merry wren]

wtf why would anyone even do that

[solemn rivet]

try it and tell us

[merry wren]

torture

oof

trying it now I guess

[solemn rivet]

glhf

[merry wren]

first false value to true right

[solemn rivet]

u got it

[leaden hedge]

probably not

ngg also messes with speeds

[solemn rivet]

yeah

[leaden hedge]

so I'm not sure what hardmode would

[solemn rivet]

one will override the other

but which one?

[leaden hedge]

ngg probably

[merry wren]

oh

[compact sedge]

no hardmode + ngg = ngg but it's just the 4th phase

[dusky lion]

I'm sure fireb0rn could do NGG + 3x speed

[merry wren]

first time doing ngg

[compact sedge]

if you get 3200 damage on just the 4th phase please tell me the requirements to go to heaven, God.

[merry wren]

wish me luck

i've heard horror stories of this fight

WHAT THE FUCK

END ME

WHO THE FUCK MADE THIS

WHY

[leaden hedge]

me

why not

[merry wren]

how

and why

[leaden hedge]

easily and because

[merry wren]

is it actually possible to get 3.2K dmg?

[leaden hedge]

in theory yes

[merry wren]

"in theory"

as in no one has done it yet

[dusky lion]

Is it possible to do Infinite Grimm hitless

[merry wren]

which means it's impossible for me

[leaden hedge]

trinomi spliced it

[merry wren]

why would anyone be that desperate

[dusky lion]

I mean if you survived long enough until the game crashes then theoretically yes

[merry wren]

I can't even survive 10 seconds

with INGG

[leaden hedge]

gud git

its pretty easy tp get 1k+

[merry wren]

ok

then

going to

git gud

[compact sedge]

are you also on hardmode because if so then there's no hope for you getting 1k+

[leaden hedge]

@compact sedge if you want to add some modcommon stuff https://github.com/KayDeeTee/HK-Modding-API-Docs

[compact sedge]

is .rst just a markdown file?

[leaden hedge]

pretty much

[compact sedge]

ok

[leaden hedge]

theres docs for it

docs for docs

just add modcommon to index below hooks in the toctree

and just look at how hooks work i guess

[compact sedge]

hold on can you send me some documentation for reading that documentation about making that documentation?

nah but in all seriousness I'll probably get around to it in the future but I'm lazy

[leaden hedge]

docs docs docs docs docs docs docs docs

you need a python library called sphinx to "compile" it to a site

[compact sedge]

oh yeah I know about that, cool tool

[leaden hedge]

but its pretty easy to set up, its just cd docs, make html

[compact sedge]

Anyway if I do add documentation to modcommon it will be about some components I'm interested in eventually making for it.

[leaden hedge]

example snippets for hooks that don't have them would be nice too

I should write a TODO 🤔

[compact sedge]

oh I can do that

[worthy ocean]

is it ok to use the randomizer mod with lightbringer?

enemy randomizer*

[compact sedge]

Nobody has tested it but like what could go wrong?

[rain cedar]

Only thing that might cause issues is muzznik

[copper nacelle]

i am in pain

igg hard mode

why

lmao

normal mode is way easier

[jolly cobalt]

Anybody know if the Bonfire mod needs a new game to work correctly? I used it on a game where I already had one Nail upgrade and putting points into strength made my attacks weaker.

[copper nacelle]

https://ggbm.at/DQgtQ8m7

near the start you're a bit worse than vanilla iirc

at like 11+ str you're better

[jolly cobalt]

So does it overwrite Nail upgrades from the Smith not add to them?

[copper nacelle]

idk

probably not

[jolly cobalt]

K, thanks.

[compact sedge]

it's weird

you get some strength from nail upgrades but the math is odd

0 nail upgrades = 5 dmg. max nail upgrades = 13 dmg but this dmg is just a multiplier on top of strength so you aren't less powerful per say

[feral root]

whats the deal with the dreamers on the chart?

[compact sedge]

number of dreamers killed affects enemy hp

[feral root]

ah

[frosty pier]

Is there any mod or cheat for unlimited charm notches. I just wanna be a god for a bit. Just curious what it would be like

[copper nacelle]

save editor

[frosty pier]

I feel like a total idiot but how am I supposed to run the save editor? All it gives me are .java files. There's no .exe

[copper nacelle]

don't download the src

Go to the releases tab and download from there

[frosty pier]

Oh, god damn

Thanks a ton

[fair rampart]

how do i take off lightbringer

);

its annoying

help

[flat forum]

just...

go to the mods folder and delete the dll

[fair rampart]

wut

[flat forum]

remember how you downloaded it?

[fair rampart]

nope

[flat forum]

. . .

[hazy sentinel]

1011

[fair rampart]

?

[flat forum]

🤦

Ok

Go to your Steam Folder

[fair rampart]

okie

like programfile

then steam

[flat forum]

Steam > Steamapps > common > Hollow Knight > hollow_knight_data > Managed > Mods

that's what you need

[fair rampart]

program file 86 then steam

[flat forum]

what

wat

[fair rampart]

there is no mods folder

[solemn rivet]

Verify game files on steam

Ezpz

[fair rampart]

wut

there is no mods folder

[hazy sentinel]

ok so you installed the original LB

[fair rampart]

1.2.2.1?

[flat forum]

but don't you need to downgrade for that?

[fair rampart]

wellp i downgrade

[flat forum]

Ok

[fair rampart]

it was 1.2.2.1

doe

i went to managed no mods folder so what now?

can i not uninstall?

[flat forum]

you have the older version of Lightbringer

you'll uninstall it some other way

[fair rampart]

752

753

how

[flat forum]

someone else should know

[fair rampart]

okie wellp let me know

[compact sedge]

verify your game integrity on steam

[fair rampart]

maybe he could uninstall and install it again?

[compact sedge]

yes that's the solution

[flat forum]

hey AA!

[compact sedge]

hey

[fair rampart]

is it posible to install mods that replace the csharp.dll , through the api and mod folder?

[compact sedge]

no

but it's not like there's any good mods that replace the assembly-csharp these days

besides the modding api

[solemn rivet]

short answer: no

long answer: also no

[fair rampart]

so I should open the mod and find what changes and add it to the api csharp?

[solemn rivet]

no

make your own mod

[compact sedge]

what mods replace the assembly that you even want

[fair rampart]

I wanted to install the mod that changes the notch values of the "map" charm and the one that increases the grab range of geo

[solemn rivet]

dunno about that mod

[compact sedge]

never heard of it

[fair rampart]

is there any tutorial of how to make mods?

[flat forum]

uhhh

no

you just ask a billion questions

[compact sedge]

KDT is working on documentation for the api

[solemn rivet]

^

[flat forum]

and hope you don't annoy the modders

[solemn rivet]

you can annoy us

[compact sedge]

but unless you can read documentation no and there probably won't ever be

[solemn rivet]

but don't annoy sean

he mad

[compact sedge]

but yeah you can ask questions

[flat forum]

(I want to apologise if I've annoyed anyone)

[fair rampart]

lol I don't want to annoy you guys~ I will fing my way of learning~

[flat forum]

(like very very very much)

[solemn rivet]

on a completely unrelated note

[fair rampart]

*find

[solemn rivet]

FoldingPapers - should I call you Folding or Papers?

[flat forum]

Hmm

whatever you decide

[fair rampart]

FP maybe~

[solemn rivet]

papers it is

[flat forum]

I usually prefer Papers tho

yeah

heh

[solemn rivet]

FP could also work tbh

like AA

[flat forum]

Papers

[fair rampart]

okie :3

[solemn rivet]

also, Sironix

[fair rampart]

ye?

[flat forum]

also, I've been in chats a lot

[solemn rivet]

me and Papers basically did what we've just described you

asked a lot of questions

and learned how to mod

[compact sedge]

anyway I can't say you'll annoy me asking a lot of questions

[flat forum]

so that now whenever I see the word Papers I think "hey that's me"

[compact sedge]

I answer modding questions in 3 darn channels for gosh sakes although I'm not an expert on stuff as I too, ask a lot of dumb questions

[solemn rivet]

3 channels wut

[flat forum]

AA is painfully nice

[compact sedge]

yeah, here, my redwing server, and the sindicate

I don't answer modding questions elsewhere

[solemn rivet]

AA confirmed lawful good

[fair rampart]

well yeah ... but I already deal with lots of guilt , depression silly thing in my mind so yeah I prefer only asking about things that I can't work out after hours

[solemn rivet]

well, it's your choice

but me and AA are pmuch always here

so whenever/if you run into a dead end

you can ask us

[fair rampart]

thanks a lot~

[flat forum]

AA confirmed very good

[fair rampart]

... net framework is sooo slow to installl

[solemn rivet]

papers confirmed neutral good

[compact sedge]

Not gonna lie, that's saying a lot coming from the person who drew me an avatar for fun one day.

[fair rampart]

hehe

[solemn rivet]

^

tru words

[fair rampart]

:3 nice~

[solemn rivet]

also, how's the docs going Angle?

I saw you and KDT talking bout it last night

[compact sedge]

tbh I'm finishing my mod and my component first before I wanna work on that

[solemn rivet]

which language is that in?

[compact sedge]

well I only know english well enough to write documentation for so hopefully that one

[solemn rivet]

I mean

[fair rampart]

if someone need or wants help translating from english to spanish you can ask me :3

[solemn rivet]

is it html?

[fair rampart]

oh hehe

[compact sedge]

it's in markdown and using a python program to generate a webpage from it

[solemn rivet]

oh

can't help then

sorry

[compact sedge]

why not? it's just plain text

basically

[solemn rivet]

but like Sironix, I can help translate if needed be

oh

dunno markdown

[compact sedge]

oh it's how the readmes are on github

it's very simple

[solemn rivet]

oooooooo

k den

[fair rampart]

oh~

[solemn rivet]

modinstaller page when

[flat forum]

I'm neutral good

[solemn rivet]

ye

[flat forum]

and Gradow iisssss?

[solemn rivet]

dunno

neutral neutral

[flat forum]

Neutral Goos as well probably

...

Neutral Goose

[solemn rivet]

I can be a goose

[flat forum]

that went south quickly

[solemn rivet]

if you pay me overtime

[fair rampart]

hehehe

[solemn rivet]

[compact sedge]

https://github.com/KayDeeTee/HK-Modding-API-Docs/blob/master/docs/Getting-Started.rst I guess add it here

[solemn rivet]

k

[compact sedge]

https://github.com/KayDeeTee/HK-Modding-API-Docs/blob/master/docs/Getting-Started.rst#installing-via-crossroads

best guide

[solemn rivet]

it's really plaintext

nice

[fair rampart]

can't believe I downloaded darkest dungeon , while installing latest net framework... and the installer of framework isn't even half way done.....

[solemn rivet]

am I the only person in this world who didn't like DD?

[compact sedge]

I thought it was alright but not amazing

it was kinda slow last I remember

[solemn rivet]

yeah

it feels... idk

[compact sedge]

and I think it had to a small extent the xcom problem of basically falling apart once you lost your really good members

[solemn rivet]

lemme compare it to games with time limit

I hate time limits

like the first Pikmin

[compact sedge]

yeah

[solemn rivet]

I feel so pressured to do things perfectly

[compact sedge]

one of the reasons I really don't like dead rising 2

[solemn rivet]

that's how I felt playing DD

[fair rampart]

I actually didn't liked it at first , except for the aestetic ...(no idea how aesthetic is written)

[solemn rivet]

everything could go so south so quickly

pmuch as you wrote it tbh

[fair rampart]

but with mods is soo much better

[solemn rivet]

aesthetic

[fair rampart]

thanks~

which visual studio should I download to start coding mods?

[solemn rivet]

2017

with the .net framework workloads

[fair rampart]

emm...

[solemn rivet]

maybe the answer you wanted was Visual Studio Community?

[fair rampart]

thanks~ :3

yes hehe

[solemn rivet]

np!

[fair rampart]

meow~ Im so silly

[solemn rivet]

also, Mys, if you're seeing this, can we get a GDQ channel?

didn't wanna ping you

[exotic venture]

well duh of course we're gonna get a GDQ channel

[solemn rivet]

nice!

[exotic venture]

feel free to ping me tbh

[solemn rivet]

nah, I don't like abusing pings

[exotic venture]

wait let me just

@royal ridge GDQ CHANNEL WHEN

[solemn rivet]

THE PEOPLE NEED IT

SAVE US LORD BENJ

[royal ridge]

👀

[solemn rivet]

thanks lord benj

also, Sironix, if you'd prefer you can DM me

or not

[fair rampart]

emm .. okie~ but well I don't have anything to say hehe

[solemn rivet]

just sayin

[fair rampart]

ewe

[solemn rivet]

Papers also asked me for help in DMs

and he's not here now, so he can't prove me wrong

[fair rampart]

well Im installing the visual studio ,so~ for now im just playing hk

[solemn rivet]

LexiP: this should fix the issues you were having with the installer

[fair rampart]

okie finally the installer thingy ended , which ... package should I choose ? dunno if those even are the package to be honest

work loads maybe?

[solemn rivet]

yeah

the one I described above

.net framework thingie

[opal hearth]

just tried it. got another unhandled exception. every new one is one i haven't seen before lol. "path cannot be the empty string or all whitespace"

[fair rampart]

okie Gradow

the... multi platfrom one , or the windows only one?... or both?

I supose its the windows ~ because it says c# instead of the other that says html and etc

[solemn rivet]

yeah, Windows

sorry

thanks for the feedback, LexiP!

did it get stuck in the same place?

or did it progress any further?

[opal hearth]

it progressed to asking me what my install folder was. the error came up at the same time as that dialog box.

[solemn rivet]

did it ask the correct path tho?

[fair rampart]

wow... 11gb

woow 18gb lol

[solemn rivet]

wut

show plz

[fair rampart]

can't is in another pc

but reall 18 gb for the program

is that normal?

lol it was my fault hehe

[opal hearth]

it did ask for the correct path. that's when the error popped up

[fair rampart]

selected the wrong thing

[solemn rivet]

oh, ok

hm...

[fair rampart]

okie hehe 5gb ~ a lot better

[solemn rivet]

did you have time to click the button, LexiP?

yeah, that's more reasonable

[opal hearth]

nope. both come up at the same time.

[solemn rivet]

ok

can you show me what the messagebox says?

[opal hearth]

sure

gimme a sec

[solemn rivet]

thanks for your time btw

[opal hearth]

no problem :3

https://pastebin.com/E37CxFM5

[solemn rivet]

so weird... Can you send me a pic of the messagebox with the path?

[opal hearth]

the other dialog box?

[solemn rivet]

yeah

you said one shows up with the error, right?

[opal hearth]

oh, yea.

what the hell? i just reopned it again and no error this time.

why are computers

[solemn rivet]

does it work?

[opal hearth]

seems to now, yea. w00!

[solemn rivet]

thank you so much for putting up with this bullshit for this long!

glad to see it finally works!

thank you for your help troubleshooting it

[opal hearth]

oh wow, it's picking up all the ones i'd already installed w crossroads

[solemn rivet]

yup

[opal hearth]

no problem at all, thanks for putting up with my wacky computer nonsense!

[solemn rivet]

[opal hearth]

hehe~

so, lightbringer on this works w lifeblood?

[patent granite]

can anyone help me with installing mods through the installer? I dont know what it means by bundles

[solemn rivet]

should, yeah

56 uploaded it last night, so it should be fine, Lexi!

bundles?

[opal hearth]

while i've got you here, i have a little more wacky computer nonsense i forgot to ask about... >.>

[solemn rivet]

sure

[patent granite]

on the mod installer it says import mod bundles but i dont know what those are

[opal hearth]

i installed "more saves", and flipping between the pages only shows me the same saves i've already got.

[solemn rivet]

oh

wow that's... A VERY old installer

look in pins, blyat

[patent granite]

ok

[solemn rivet]

oh, yeah

I think MoreSaves isn't working on lifeblood, LexiP

[opal hearth]

oh that makes sense. i thought maybe i was misunderstanding how it works

[opal hearth]

it's all good, i'll just get rid of my pre-GT save.

[fair rampart]

well ... I think im gonna wait till the end of the day to install the visual studio

[solemn rivet]

what's wrong?

[patent granite]

is ther anywhere where i can find out whatall of the mods do? Becauseim not sure which mods i would want to install

[solemn rivet]

veru had a cheat sheet

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xRcL7LJHQbN_lpNYWKYggGA_st0ewnLd1s5X20ukD7s/edit?usp=sharing

[patent granite]

thanks

[fair rampart]

my internet is shiet

800mb , at 100 kb /s

[solemn rivet]

eww

[fair rampart]

well gotta be leaving for a while , see you all later~

[solemn rivet]

kill some peeps

[fair rampart]

the thing is that at night it gets to 1mb/sec

baii~

[opal hearth]

o/

[solemn rivet]

\o

[opal hearth]

just curious, what was that other mod you guys were discussing the other day? i think it started with an f. firefly or firebug or something.

[solemn rivet]

redwing...?

blackmoth?

[opal hearth]

....yep.

redwing.

totally starts with an f....

[solemn rivet]

Angle is making it

it's a kinda expansion to blackmoth

[opal hearth]

ohhh

[solemn rivet]

that also works as its own mod

[opal hearth]

neat!

[solemn rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoE9GuWDzPw

[opal hearth]

oh wow

that looks pretty neat

[solemn rivet]

yeah AA is rocking it

yup

[opal hearth]

is there any balance changes? it seems a little OP lol

[solemn rivet]

dunno yet

I suggested to Angle to add those effects as new charms

but for now it seems they are always active

[opal hearth]

charms would be neat

[solemn rivet]

yeah

but for that we'd need do add new charms instead of changing existing ones (like blackmoth and ligthbringer do)

which is feasible

we just need to coax KDT into helping us

and by coax I mean blackmail him with 1TB of anime tiddies

[opal hearth]

hahah

i mean, i have a few i could contribute myself >.>

[solemn rivet]

no

he has 1TB of anime porn

we're gonna use that as leverage against him

[opal hearth]

oh.. oh!

[ornate rivet]

how do you know lol

[opal hearth]

forget what i said then, i definitely have 0% anime porn on my computer. yep. i think they bought it. >.>

[solemn rivet]

I'm not talking without my lawyer

Lexi - yeah, dunno what you're talking about, but it'd be great to share that non-existent anime porn

[hazy sentinel]

i have 200 GB of maskfly genocide on my computer

[solemn rivet]

basically the same

[ornate rivet]

now I can blackmail veru into unblocking me

[solemn rivet]

veru did you see I actually spent more than 2 seconds rebalancing Bonfire?

and it was still all for naught?

now I can proudly say it's purposefully unbalanced

and not a mere accident

[opal hearth]

is bonfire worth playing?

[solemn rivet]

No

Well

[ornate rivet]

It's fun to play god for a while

but it gets boring eventually

[solemn rivet]

Can you break the game in multiple different ways?

[ornate rivet]

Are the Mantis Gods actually beatable?

the new version is impossible

[opal hearth]

haha, alright. that seems to be the consensus.

[solemn rivet]

Niko beat them hitless yesterday

[ornate rivet]

wat

[solemn rivet]

Or the day before

[opal hearth]

also idk where to share anything plus its mostly of a certain niche variety because reasons

[solemn rivet]

Wut u mean LexiP?

[ornate rivet]

They dont seem as fast in the video

[solemn rivet]

https://youtu.be/5EUMemVqZe8

2 days ago

[ornate rivet]

yea I just saw it

[opal hearth]

not sharing not lewd not anime not anywhere on not the internet

[ornate rivet]

they dont seem as fast

[solemn rivet]

So sharing lewd anime everywhere on the internet

Dunno what to say, Saleh

[ornate rivet]

I need to gitgud

[opal hearth]

n-no.. 😳

[ornate rivet]

thats what you should say

[solemn rivet]

I'm not hornet tho

Also what niche variety?

I really miss having Zote respond on all channels

_gitgud

[ornate rivet]

yep

[solemn rivet]

[opal hearth]

uhh.. >.>

[solemn rivet]

LexiP you're free to share whatever you want as long as it's not lewd not anime not on the internet and has Zote in it

[flat forum]

Yes

find Zote IRL

and share him

[solemn rivet]

^

Find a bug that says baklava booptis

[opal hearth]

oh i thought this server was sfw

[solemn rivet]

I think it is

Even the art channel I'm sure has its limits

[opal hearth]

well then i can't share my nonexistent anime lol

.>

[solemn rivet]

Not in this server, no

[flat forum]

Baklava

Baklava is a turkish dish?

[solemn rivet]

You can send them to Papers tho

[flat forum]

or

[solemn rivet]

They'd love it

[opal hearth]

papers? waah

[flat forum]

send what to me?

[opal hearth]

oh papers is a person lololol

[solemn rivet]

[flat forum]

[solemn rivet]

[flat forum]

I'm not sure what to think about this

[ornate rivet]

you can send me some pics whenever you want

[solemn rivet]

I think I can add quickdash into blackmoth pretty soon, Papers

[flat forum]

Ok

yaay

[solemn rivet]

56 did the deed

[flat forum]

hey Loreseeker

[ornate rivet]

yes?

oh yea Gradow, sometimes in blackmoth when I get hit while dashing I start flying off the screen and have to open up the inventory to come down

[solemn rivet]

Yeah

Afaik that's vanilla

[rain cedar]

I don't think that's right

[solemn rivet]

And I have no idea how to fix that short of rewriting the whole dash fsm

[opal hearth]

oh yea i forgot to mention not to totally change subject from anime...... , w grubberly elegy, dashing into enemies, i get hit constantly lol

[solemn rivet]

Oh

[rain cedar]

Rewriting the whole dash fsm doesn't even sound bad

Most of it is in code already anyway

[solemn rivet]

It's not that bad tbh

[ornate rivet]

ok

[solemn rivet]

I can look into that

[ornate rivet]

wish I knew how to work with all this fsm stuff

[solemn rivet]

Also LexiP what do you mean?

Also Seanpr doesn't like anime so shhh

[rain cedar]

I love anime

[ornate rivet]

it's a trap

[flat forum]

are you talking about Godseeker?

[solemn rivet]

A tarp

[opal hearth]

uh, like, 90% of the time i use the godmode dash to hit an enemy and i just take damage anyway

which i assume means i just don't understand hitboxes.

like, what is that big dude pre-false knight. i had to go smack the smaller bugs a number of times to heal in order to be able to kill the big dude

[solemn rivet]

that's actually pretty useful

oh

that guy

he broke post-lifeblood

for some reason you can't dash through him

[ornate rivet]

you can still kill him without getting hit

[rain cedar]

Oh they put an invisible wall on those too now?

Thanks team cherry

[solemn rivet]

yeah

[ornate rivet]

you cant dash through them even in vanilla?

[solemn rivet]

since you normally wouldn't have shade cloak by then, it's fine

[opal hearth]

i mean, i was having that problem with most enemies.

[solemn rivet]

oh

[opal hearth]

butterflymeme-isthisabadmechanic.png

kidding

[solemn rivet]

yeah, that's still good input

[ornate rivet]

but you can dash through the city guards and they have shields

[solemn rivet]

me and angle were talking about the intended behaviour of grubberfly

should it or shouldn't it be invincibility

[ornate rivet]

what will you do with it otherwise?

[rain cedar]

Dash a lot

[ornate rivet]

invincibility sounds good

[opal hearth]

i might delete that save and either play blackmoth as is or randomize it so i don't start with grubberfly

or i'll just play lightbringer lol

[solemn rivet]

It can be used for mobility

Going places fast

[opal hearth]

it otherwise ruins attacking since the nail itself seems to be garbage. it took like 10 strikes to kill one of those tiny orange flies lol. i'm spacing on enemy names rn

do i just install the lightbringer API or is there another one on this list i need to add?

[exotic venture]

you need modcommon

which you should know if you read the readme

[leaden hedge]

readme gay

[opal hearth]

yeah i've already got modcommon.

[exotic venture]

then you're set

[opal hearth]

i just wasn't sure of lightbringer API was all of lightbringer or just like, the ability for lightbringer to work.

[exotic venture]

maybe get debug mod or something but eh i think you're pretty solid now

[opal hearth]

since API mods in isaac on their own don't do anything lol

thank ya!

[exotic venture]

well you need modding api of course

but you have that too

right

[opal hearth]

yup!

debugs aren't entirely my thing. i'm not creative enough and i hate being too OP

[opal hearth]

is there a way to shut off lightbringer or do i have to full restore to play my other saves?

same w blackmoth. if i wanted to play just lightbringer on its own, w0t do

[copper nacelle]

i made it toggleable iirc

just go to options -> mods

i didn't set the toggle to fix charm cost values tho

[fair rampart]

what means iirc? :3

[copper nacelle]

if i recall correctly

[fair rampart]

oh thanks :3

[opal hearth]

thanks 56

just a side q should i turn on randomizer for lightbringer or play it vanilla first

[copper nacelle]

whatever you want

[fair rampart]

you unlock the ability to randomize after the first playthrough right?

[copper nacelle]

i think the newest version just auto unlocks rando

[opal hearth]

fair nuff. i was just curious if LB had like.. a loosely inteded progression basically.

[fair rampart]

well most likely it has it

[copper nacelle]

go to blue lake from the other side and get all the cool charms™

oh for rando and lifeblood you'd have to kill muzznik early if you don't get lucky

[leaden hedge]

updated hksm to work on switch so you can cheat on switch now

[copper nacelle]

nice

[leaden hedge]

although I think the real use is being able to swap between

because the save formats are the same except switch is plaintext

[opal hearth]

who tf is muzznik o_O

[leaden hedge]

original name for gruz mother

[opal hearth]

ooo

[leaden hedge]

oh SOMEHOW they put the flukenest bug back in with the switch release 🤔

[solemn rivet]

which bug

[hazy sentinel]

multi kill

[leaden hedge]

killing a enemy with multiple damage sources duplicates their drops

[solemn rivet]

oh right

[fair rampart]

cool

[solemn rivet]

also I wouldn't recommend playing LB+Rando2

[leaden hedge]

its in the pc release too now

500iq

[solemn rivet]

unless you're doing it on easy

[hazy sentinel]

wow colosseum wave skips

[solemn rivet]

precisely because of Muzznik

rando logic assumes you can get to sly and salubra

but in LB that's not easy

[leaden hedge]

just git gud

[solemn rivet]

inb4 you add NGG as a required boss for progression

[opal hearth]

also grad i only have easy on, i'm not great with sequence break-y stuff

[solemn rivet]

then it might be doable

I still think Sly might be required

but let's see

[opal hearth]

are you saying i s shouldn't go fight gruz mother early as i usually do?

[solemn rivet]

well

[fair rampart]

I didn't knew you could sequence break in Hk

[solemn rivet]

you most definitely should

but save first

oh boy Sironix are you in for a surprise...

[opal hearth]

.>

the only sequence breaks i can do is get to the top of crystal peak w/o monarch, and kill myself and use my soul to get to salubra early.

[solemn rivet]

I still can't believe I actually got the Magolor Unn skip

even tho it's the easiest of all Mag skips

[fair rampart]

cool :3 I used to have lots of fun sequence breaking super metroid when I was smaller

[solemn rivet]

I'd highly suggest playing rando2 on hard then

it requires skips

and you can just ask people for tips on the skips

I'm actually planning on doing an any% rando2 run tomorrow

my last 107% rando2 run took way longer than it should because of me being stupid

smh

[fair rampart]

with rando 2 you mean like .. the normal randomizer mod or is it something else?

[solemn rivet]

oh

it's the randomizer mod

but if you check the gdrive or the installers you'll notice there are two of them

sean is remaking the mod from scratch for lifeblood

so that's the one you should play tbh

[fair rampart]

oh okie thanks~

[solemn rivet]

oh yeah, forgot to update the link to the modinstaller

oops

fixed it

let's do eet

[hollow pier]

spike tunnels off

literally unplayable

[copper nacelle]

no spike tunnels re

cpeak w/ djump and no dash

imo

[solemn rivet]

wait those counts as spike tunnels? I assumed it meant the tight spaces you need to cdash through

like to get glowing womb

or to get to waterways via the shaft to the abyss

[rain cedar]

My favorite setting is acid skips because it does literally nothing

[copper nacelle]

spike tunnels is that but it also includes the cpeak w/ djump and no dash thing too iirc

[solemn rivet]

oh

[rain cedar]

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/Requirements.cs#L109

[solemn rivet]

I can do that skip

[hollow pier]

isnt that a mag skip

[rain cedar]

No it's easy

[opal hearth]

i didn't realize how easy it is to get to the brooding mawlek without the claw, now i'm stuck in a state of perpetual death yay

[solemn rivet]

good seed so far

sly has djump

iselda has ddark

salubra has shit

[copper nacelle]

nice

[solemn rivet]

but also

so many paths to go

run over

[hollow pier]

nice hard difficulty

[rain cedar]

Thanks

It's hard to balance hard because difficulty is 100% reliant on where mantis claw is

[hollow pier]

just always put claw at elegy

[rain cedar]

And obviously I don't want to just always put it in abyss or something

[solemn rivet]

tbf I couldn't get it if I didn't get ddark from iselda

but it was only 150 geo

a steal I tell you

[hollow pier]

but thats at soul catcher

why do you need ddark

[rain cedar]

To beat the aspid arena

Those guys are OP

What is this?

I feel like I missed something

[hollow pier]

raid inc

[copper nacelle]

DMS said I love snorting something or the other

and then that happened

[hollow pier]

who

[rain cedar]

DMS

[hollow pier]

who

[copper nacelle]

the person who can't spell

[rain cedar]

What kind of idiot doesn't know who that is?

[leaden hedge]

that 5iq shitposter?

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[rain cedar]

Verulean?

[hollow pier]

dab master sixty-nine

[leaden hedge]

no he has 69iq

[rain cedar]

Dank master swag

[leaden hedge]

what nerd would have a 3 letter acronym as a name

thats hella gay

[hollow pier]

numbers are the only name

[dusky lion]

56 that's you

[rain cedar]

You have too many numbers though

2 numbers is where it's at

[copper nacelle]

yes

[hollow pier]

i have 3 numbers tho

[leaden hedge]

1 number meta imo

[dusky lion]

I must evolve

[leaden hedge]

set your name to 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751

its only one number technically

[rain cedar]

But that's not a 753/56 meme

[leaden hedge]

753.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751

[copper nacelle]

753.56

[solemn rivet]

I needed ddark to beat the baldur, no?

[copper nacelle]

no

[solemn rivet]

oh yeah, that baldur doesn't close

[copper nacelle]

baldur doesn't close in rando

[solemn rivet]

oops

[rain cedar]

I should make it close

[hollow pier]

gradow big think

[rain cedar]

I'll get around to it

[solemn rivet]

anyway

baldur shell = sprintmaster

[leaden hedge]

make it so you have to do baldur skip

[hollow pier]

kdt only typing first 50 decimals smh my head

[leaden hedge]

even in easy

[rain cedar]

yes

[leaden hedge]

sorry im not a savant that can copy+paste 1000 digits

[hollow pier]

literally just memorize them

[leaden hedge]

I can only remember the first 11 digits

[hollow pier]

wow not even the first 87 smh my head

[leaden hedge]

not even the first 753

3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094330572703657595919530921861173819326117931051185480744623799627495673518857527248912279381830119491298336733624406566430860213949463952247371907021798609437027705392171762931767523846748184676694051320005681271452635608277857713427577896091736371787214684409012249534301465495853710507922796892589235420199561121290219608640344181598136297747713099605

here you go

[hollow pier]

woke

[leaden hedge]

top meme

[dusky lion]

Finch in binary is way too long so can't do that

[rain cedar]

You bitch

[hollow pier]

ok sean

[leaden hedge]

rip

[hollow pier]

nice spam

[leaden hedge]

thats weirdly worded though

[rain cedar]

There

?rank speedrunner

[opal hearth]

uh question

[hollow pier]

better delete your message so we dont know its you sean

[rain cedar]

Better yet I'll delete dyno's message

[opal hearth]

there's a huge map w a bunch of red stuff in the upper corner when i got the panic compass on and it's slowing down the game by a decent amount, is there a way to shut that off w/o removing the charm?

[copper nacelle]

that's charming

put on gathering swarm btw

[rain cedar]

Yeah runs pretty crap

Gathering swarm is neat

[opal hearth]

i haven't gotten gathering swarm yet

should i just remove this charm or is it worth having on?

[copper nacelle]

panic compass is meh

a bit of extra movement speed when you're about to die

[opal hearth]

idk if its even functioning properly. the left side of the miniscreen is fine, but the right side is like, solid red.

[rain cedar]

That doesn't sound right

[copper nacelle]

should be a red border around the miniscreen

[opal hearth]

here i'll screenshot

[solemn rivet]

nice

[rain cedar]

Wow that's fucked

[solemn rivet]

post-apocalyptic HK

[rain cedar]

Good thing it's not my mod

Don't have to fix my broken code

[solemn rivet]

is it toggable, sean? Or did you make it always active?

[rain cedar]

Always active when compass is on

[solemn rivet]

just remove compass tbh

[rain cedar]

compast

compas

[opal hearth]

compost

[solemn rivet]

shhhh

56 will buy your silence

[opal hearth]

i'd prefer it to be toggle-able, but i don't really need it i suppose

i sorta don't get the point of it lol.

[solemn rivet]

the idea was for it to show a minimap of the area

to help navigation

[rain cedar]

Too bad it's red death

[solemn rivet]

still

best charm is gathering swarm

I really like what you did with it sean

[rain cedar]

But it was your idea

[solemn rivet]

yeah

but I never expected it to actually work

I specially didn't expect it to work as good as it did

[opal hearth]

part of me wants to know, part of me is like "eh i'll wait til i get it", but either way i'm curious because i really never use gathering swarm in vanilla

[rain cedar]

https://youtu.be/WpLtFLz8p3k

[solemn rivet]

sooo goood

[opal hearth]

O_O

is there a way to avoid brooding mawlek's infected spooge blast without having a dash? cuz there isn't always an opening >.>

i could just NOT fight it this early, but i'm stubborn

[hollow pier]

being good

[hazy sentinel]

have you tried attacking downwards

it's pretty cool

[opal hearth]

hmmst

if i were getting soul for attacking this thing, good, but i'm using lightbringer so x.x

attacking downwards didn't help -_-

[exotic dune]

if you're using lightbringer you might have to come back later

[opal hearth]

nvm i got good and did it

and what i mean by that is that i lucked out with timing on a heal

RIP me forgetting he just gives a mask shard 😂

[real cypress]

what is the best version to play mods

[rain cedar]

Current

[real cypress]

can i play boss rush on it

[copper nacelle]

no

[real cypress]

:angery:

[rain cedar]

You can play it, you just have to update it first

[real cypress]

[rain cedar]

Here https://github.com/KayDeeTee/hk-bossrush

[real cypress]

so, i just need to install it and no problem

[rain cedar]

If that's your interpretation of what I said

Go for it

[real cypress]

[solemn rivet]

LexiP: can't you pogo it?

[leaden hedge]

yeah install it np and it'll work

[hazy sentinel]

@real cypress just install gng

[copper nacelle]

https://github.com/seanpr96/DebugMod/pull/2

meme

[rain cedar]

The real meme here is thinking people care about the enemy panel at all

Especially on lifeblood

[compact sedge]

there's an enemy panel?

[rain cedar]

No

[hazy sentinel]

there's a lifeblood?

[dusky lion]

There's a?

[copper nacelle]

@compact sedge meme

[compact sedge]

huh I didn't know this was a thing in debugmod

[fair rampart]

random idea n°1

be able to train your grimm (or however is called :3 )

[rain cedar]

No

Oh that's already a mod

[compact sedge]

believe it or not

[fair rampart]

like getting exp from enemies and such~

[compact sedge]

oh

well

im a bad coder

so that's not happening any time soon

but that'd be cool

[fair rampart]

hehe

[leaden hedge]

git gud 😠

[rain cedar]

Currently it levels up from fighting nkg

[leaden hedge]

doesn't healthmanager have a die function

[rain cedar]

Yeah

[compact sedge]

but I know what you want and that would be cool sironix

[leaden hedge]

can't you just hook that and send maxhp and name

[hollow pier]

doesnt life have a die function

[leaden hedge]

ur mum has a die function

[fair rampart]

well , you could add a level up exp variable , and take the damage that lil grimm does and transform it into exp

Im so bad with words atm I dunno why hehe

[rain cedar]

Pretty sure he just doesn't care enough to do it

Wouldn't be hard

[compact sedge]

no it's just if I wanna do it I wanna do it right

and make it polished

[leaden hedge]

heres an idea, make every charm synergize with grimmchild

[compact sedge]

and that I don't care about

[leaden hedge]

and have it combo with the knight

[fair rampart]

that would be cool kdt

like adding new attacks to lil grimm

lil grim has life? like... does it gets hurt?

[leaden hedge]

no

although you could easily add a hitbox to it

[compact sedge]

if I ever give grimmchild XP I'd also wanna give it a little XP indicator

and the ability to improve its stats

[fair rampart]

make it like the bon fire mod

[compact sedge]

in a gui like the not blackmoth mod

bonfire

yeah

[leaden hedge]

you can make gui with the inventory code

you just make a class that has invItems that define what happens when you select stuff and where it is

[dusky lion]

Couldn't you just add a function that tracks the amount of kills you achieve and every 20 or so the Grimmchild gains 1+ attack, and just yoink the tk2d sprites for the dream particles that appear in the background and make regular enemies spawn those upon death as a façade

With my surface level knowledge of Csharp that may be possible

[leaden hedge]

so kill a bunch of trash

[fair rampart]

you could make it like if it gets hit x times it falls to the ground and sleeps for a while , and with the ,armor focus charm , it could withstand more hits