#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 124

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 6:38 AM

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// whomst

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gonna try changing gruz's t2kdsprite cause i have the actual changed atlas for that

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i'm 100% sure i can do this now

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cause the nail slash is just taking it from part of the texture

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which is weird

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but i can edit the image to make it work

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@buoyant obsidian this is my favorite lightbringer weapon https://youtu.be/6YCRmbv6BKk

YouTube

fiftysix

muzznik

▶ Play video

rain cedar Jun 21, 2018, 6:46 AM

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It's hideous

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 7:04 AM

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YES

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I WAS RIGHT

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https://youtu.be/zE34e2tZ24g

YouTube

fiftysix

actually muzznik

▶ Play video

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i set the main texture on the material of the sprite def of the tk2dsprite to the modified gruz mother atlas

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and it worked perfectly

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literally just this

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livid crest Jun 21, 2018, 9:12 AM

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hey guys

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Im new here and have a question

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where can i find the boss rush mod link

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 9:13 AM

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📌

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boss rush doesn't work on current patch you have to downpatch

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https://speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

rain cedar Jun 21, 2018, 9:14 AM

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If you become a tester for Team Cherry you can play boss rush easy

livid crest Jun 21, 2018, 9:14 AM

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how do i do that

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i would love to be a tester

rain cedar Jun 21, 2018, 9:14 AM

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Yeah that'd be swell

livid crest Jun 21, 2018, 9:18 AM

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yeah xd

old fog Jun 21, 2018, 9:31 AM

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Hi, does boss rush mode work with v1.3.1.5 of the game

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?

rain cedar Jun 21, 2018, 9:32 AM

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Literally 7 messages up

old fog Jun 21, 2018, 9:33 AM

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thanks

old fog Jun 21, 2018, 9:53 AM

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hey i putted the download in the steam console... so i just wait for it to say download compteted?

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see?

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copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 9:57 AM

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it tells you the folder it downloads to

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after it finishes

old fog Jun 21, 2018, 10:20 AM

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yeah... but how much does it take to download approximately?

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alos the steam console just said this:
\src\clientdll\depotdownloadmgr.cpp (1901) : Assertion Failed: CDepotDownloadMgr::BYldRequestDepotChunks: same chunk requested twice for depot 367521

urban olive Jun 21, 2018, 10:24 AM

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what does the "all bosses/all charms/all skills" setting do in randomizer?

old fog Jun 21, 2018, 10:32 AM

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ok, i think i did it happygrub

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i mean... i found a new setup in

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C:\Users\utente\Downloads\Giochi\Steam\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521

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and putted the txt file with 367520

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and started the setup and everything works?

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here! It says v1.2.2.1

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copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 10:36 AM

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@urban olive makes you need to do those things to beat the game

old fog Jun 21, 2018, 10:37 AM

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oh wait no

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in the new folder there arent the files from shared assets 374 to 420 :' )

urban olive Jun 21, 2018, 10:39 AM

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ok ty

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 11:59 AM

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ObjectPoolSpawnHook is god

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 12:23 PM

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56 did you replace assets yet ~~so I can steal your code~~

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 12:24 PM

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yes

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https://youtu.be/zE34e2tZ24g

YouTube

fiftysix

actually muzznik

▶ Play video

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make sure to watch the part where i shoot muzznik at muzznik

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important thing to note here is that when it says tk2dSprite

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it's a lying piece of shit and actually means tk2dSprites

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cause you see

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I only changed the texture of the material on the MeshRenderer of the tk2dsprite of gruz mother

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and it changed all the sprites

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so basically what you want to do is https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/459252764401336322/unknown.png

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and the texture should be from an embedded sprite sheet

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so like

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you'd take gruz's sprite sheet

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make it muzzniky

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and then put it back on gruz's tk2dsprite

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so like the texture i set there was just Muzznik.png which is this

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@solemn rivet aka yes

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oh yeah @daring snow there's a new mantis gods w/ a reworked shot mechanic i just released if you wanna try that out, I think it should make stuff like no upgrades easier but i think you might still need djump

daring snow Jun 21, 2018, 12:34 PM

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cool, cool thanks!

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haven't had time to mess with it futher

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but i'll give it a shot soon

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 12:34 PM

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cool

lone tundra Jun 21, 2018, 12:37 PM

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Can someone help me out by explaining how to work the debug mode?

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 12:37 PM

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have the menu open

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hit pause

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click on shit

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and then the keybindings are literally on screen so just click what key it says to click

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to go through the keybindings click page x / y iirc

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like for example

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for decreasing nail damage by 4

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 12:44 PM

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More importantly, 56

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I'm gonna subscribe to you

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 12:44 PM

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happygrub

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 12:45 PM

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Opposite reaction from ptkyr

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thinkgrub

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 12:45 PM

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oh yeah i saw that

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4 x reacts

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 1:16 PM

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@buoyant obsidian do you know what sprite sheet elegy normally uses

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cause i can't find Radiant Attack in unity studio or uabe

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and using the radiant attack asset does this https://youtu.be/MFKd35NRb4k

YouTube

fiftysix

tk2dSprites are bad

▶ Play video

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muzznik's asset works tho

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https://youtu.be/zE34e2tZ24g

YouTube

fiftysix

actually muzznik

▶ Play video

old fog Jun 21, 2018, 1:30 PM

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hey i was wondering.... can i mix toghether the 2 mods:

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 1:30 PM

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you can use any 2 mods together as long as they aren't lightbringer

old fog Jun 21, 2018, 1:31 PM

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I was asking about that

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lol

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 1:31 PM

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working on a lightbringer port that can use w/ other mods rn

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should be done today but i also said that yesterday zote

old fog Jun 21, 2018, 1:31 PM

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Oh cool! Can't wait to see that

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 1:31 PM

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and you also said that before yesterday too

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 1:32 PM

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true

vestal hawk Jun 21, 2018, 1:32 PM

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is lightbringer compatible with current patch?

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 1:32 PM

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but i actually replaced a sprite today

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no

old fog Jun 21, 2018, 1:32 PM

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Anyway... is it ok if anyway i installed the modding api with lightbringer?

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 1:32 PM

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no

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for like 24h

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for both of you

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 1:32 PM

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^

old fog Jun 21, 2018, 1:32 PM

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or should i put the assembly vanilla back? thinkgrub

vestal hawk Jun 21, 2018, 1:32 PM

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okay, thank you

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 1:32 PM

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use api to play other mods

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like blackmoth

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also, finally on PC

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checking your code 56

old fog Jun 21, 2018, 1:33 PM

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yeah i know, but can i use light bringer while modding api is on the game?

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 1:33 PM

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wait

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lemme commit the code

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or just check the image

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idk

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 1:34 PM

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no, Nerest

old fog Jun 21, 2018, 1:34 PM

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oh okk

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 1:34 PM

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I'm not even sure lightbringer works with lifeblood

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so you'd have to downpatch

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OR

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you could wait til 56 is done with it

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 1:34 PM

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(do that)

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 1:34 PM

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ETA: 24h

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 1:35 PM

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cool i made lightbringer's repo public

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https://github.com/5FiftySix6/Lightbringer

GitHub

5FiftySix6/Lightbringer

Contribute to Lightbringer development by creating an account on GitHub.

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 1:36 PM

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I'm mostly interested in replacing the charms tho

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Papers did some great work on Quickdash yesterday

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 1:37 PM

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yeah i saw

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it looks sick af

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 1:42 PM

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HeroController.instance.grubberFlyBeamPrefabL.PrintSceneHierarchyTree("biggay2");

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delet

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 1:42 PM

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shh

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texture is 512x1024 apparently

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 1:48 PM

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scale it down to 1x2

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big think

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 1:48 PM

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i just want it as a png ree

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ignore how everything about this is bad

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it won't ever log yeet

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idk why

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nvm it logs yeet

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yeet is just a lie

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and by a lie I mean a pita to see

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📎 unknown.png

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i just couldn't see it over the muzznik sprite

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reee

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supple sigil Jun 21, 2018, 2:14 PM

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lightbringer when

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 2:14 PM

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soon™

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within the next 24 hours

supple sigil Jun 21, 2018, 2:14 PM

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early 2018

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 2:14 PM

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imo blame tc for not making this texture readable

supple sigil Jun 21, 2018, 2:15 PM

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wot texture

young walrus Jun 21, 2018, 2:15 PM

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blame TC for everything

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 2:15 PM

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elegy

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that works too

supple sigil Jun 21, 2018, 2:16 PM

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also like i have a story with lightbringer

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i was going thorugh recently uploaded hollow knight vids on youtubes cause i was bored af

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i refresh and then the lightbringer trailer shows up and im like nani? more content?

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this was before i joined this discord

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 2:22 PM

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is this u

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supple sigil Jun 21, 2018, 2:23 PM

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yes how did you know

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 2:23 PM

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@compact sedge is this u

📎 1.png

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YES

📎 1.png

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texture 341

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yeah idk what's wrong with the lightbringer asset

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everything is in the wrong spot

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compared to

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supple sigil Jun 21, 2018, 2:30 PM

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gradow releasing one episode of lightbringer

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and nothing else

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smh

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 2:31 PM

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i have no clue which lances go with which

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 2:32 PM

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shhhh

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you saw nothing

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 2:33 PM

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legit have 0 clue how these match up with the lances

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just gonna put 6 lances next to each elegy thingy just to see if it works tbh

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oh nvm p sure i'm dumb

young walrus Jun 21, 2018, 2:43 PM

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Hi dumb

hoary anvil Jun 21, 2018, 2:46 PM

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i f***ing give up on trying to make the mods work!

young walrus Jun 21, 2018, 2:46 PM

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ok

hoary anvil Jun 21, 2018, 2:46 PM

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this prosses sucks

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it never f***ing works!

young walrus Jun 21, 2018, 2:47 PM

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drag and drop never works?

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downpatching?

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did you clear your registry if you down patched?

hoary anvil Jun 21, 2018, 2:48 PM

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i tried it for 3 hours and it didn't f***ing work!

young walrus Jun 21, 2018, 2:48 PM

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well you're not being very descriptive here

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tried what

hoary anvil Jun 21, 2018, 2:49 PM

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all the things you said

young walrus Jun 21, 2018, 2:49 PM

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okay. well if you're going to just be frustrated, there's nothing I can do to help.

hoary anvil Jun 21, 2018, 2:50 PM

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i give the f*** up

young walrus Jun 21, 2018, 2:50 PM

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I can help you find the problem, fix it, and get things working, but you gotta work with me here

hoary anvil Jun 21, 2018, 2:51 PM

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you don't need to

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i just give up

young walrus Jun 21, 2018, 2:51 PM

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that's the spirit

sharp crypt Jun 21, 2018, 3:43 PM

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thinkgrub hollowknice ^^^ just gotta calmly take a step back and look for a solution

buoyant obsidian Jun 21, 2018, 3:53 PM

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it's possible that they moved around the sprite sheets again

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it's one of the reasons I stopped development

alpine sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:18 PM

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I've installed some mods but now when i open the game it only shows me the title screen but non of my buttons work even if i use the keyboard

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:20 PM

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install modcommon

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so, I need some suggestions

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right now the installer fills the list with mods in the Mods folder and then with the xml

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but

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so far, mods have had the same filename.dll and modname in the XML

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but rando2 doesn't

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what do

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:22 PM

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(technically neither does infinite grimm)

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:22 PM

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well

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it does because I ignore case and spaces

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:23 PM

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xml should have an optional string for file name if it's different

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:23 PM

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rando2

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that's a nice idea, Angle

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it wouldn't be an issue as it is

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aside from the fact that, for some reason, this makes it so that it doesn't ask to install modcommon when installing rando2

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:25 PM

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well it's an issue in that if you install rando2 manually it won't appear as installed in the mod manager

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:25 PM

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it does

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but with a completely different name

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so it "works" - you can disable/enable it and uninstall it

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:26 PM

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the other advantage of a separate dll string is it allows spaces in mod names without spaces in the file itself.

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:27 PM

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and virtually removes all string parsing from the modinstaller side

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:27 PM

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which judging by that screenshot, is like 70% of all mods

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:27 PM

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no more Regex.Replace(mod, @"\s|\\|\n|_", "")

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no more f.Equals(dependency, StringComparison.InvariantCultureIgnoreCase)

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is there an official maintainer for the xml?

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:31 PM

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looking at the edit history.... no

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:31 PM

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I'm gonna add that field then

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if people complain I'll remove it

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cue me downloading all the mods montage

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:33 PM

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while you're at it we should probably get fields for the versions of HK it works on

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:33 PM

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well

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is it worth it tho?

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only boss rush is outdated

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and it will forever be

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:33 PM

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how much shit's gonna be outdated when GnG comes out

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:34 PM

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mostly everything

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but should be easy enough to fix it all

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:34 PM

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that goes with every version of HK

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:34 PM

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yup

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also, HPBars

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should we really keep that up?

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EnemyHPBars already contains it

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:35 PM

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maybe modlinks.xml should just have mods that work on the newest version

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and people can manually download older ones

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:35 PM

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maybe

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:35 PM

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if they know how to downpatch they probably can figure out how to download something from a drive

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:35 PM

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since both installers also have manual installers

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I could potentially add a downpatch feature to the installer

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but with GnG coming, that's absolutely useless

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because

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Boss Rush becomes vanilla

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:36 PM

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lol I can't see anyone wanting to downpatch to lifeblood from GnG

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:36 PM

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Lightbringer is now API

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there's actually no reason to downpatch anymore

exotic venture Jun 21, 2018, 4:37 PM

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1.2.2.1 is speedrunner build

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checkm8

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:37 PM

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ok well nobody's downpatching to lifeblood for mods

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wait

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1.2.2.1 isn't lifeblood

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:37 PM

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Mys - can just add a feature to downpatch to that specific version then

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no, it's TGT

exotic venture Jun 21, 2018, 4:38 PM

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you'd only downpatch to lifeblood for patch 1.3.3.7 for dank memes tbh

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:38 PM

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got'em

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oh

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just realized

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rando2 is not the first mod to have different modname and filename

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I just never bothered with the other ones

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zote

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:39 PM

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you had to add case insensitivity just for infinite grimm I remember

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:39 PM

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yeah

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but if we're just gonna match strings, that's a non-issue

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also

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wtf is "Newtonsoft.Json.dll"

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virus grimm

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 4:39 PM

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which mod is it from

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:40 PM

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dunno

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I didn't bother checking them as I went

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figured I could just tell from the filename

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and I was mostly right

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so websocket-sharp and PlayerDataDump are from PlayerDataTracker, as expected

exotic venture Jun 21, 2018, 4:41 PM

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i mean it's nice and all that lightbringer is getting ported

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 4:42 PM

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and newtonsoft is from boopmod

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wut

exotic venture Jun 21, 2018, 4:42 PM

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but what about shitmodst

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the best modst in the universe

fair rampart Jun 21, 2018, 4:58 PM

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What mod i can acces on this Version?

exotic venture Jun 21, 2018, 5:00 PM

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every single mod

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if they work is a second

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 5:08 PM

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are nail damages rounded up or down

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I heard rounded up here but the wiki says: All multipliers that result in a decimal value are always rounded down by the game (Example: Fury of the Fallen with a Pure Nail will do 21 x 1.75 = 36.75 ≈ 36 damage per hit).

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alright wiki is wrong

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 5:17 PM

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fixed modlinks

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upgrading the installer

exotic venture Jun 21, 2018, 5:23 PM

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wiki always wrong

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except when it's a kdt edit

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 5:24 PM

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Wiki 60-40 chance to be right

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 5:24 PM

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I did a meme by joining the wiki discord to post one message and then leave

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probably gonna get banned

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Actually if they don't ban me for that I'm gonna do that every time I see an error because they claim to want a small but active community and prune members without wikia accounts.

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the only reason to post in that discord errors is if you don't have a wikia account to fix them yourself

young walrus Jun 21, 2018, 5:25 PM

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I fixed the cloth wiki. So at least one is right

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 5:26 PM

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what did you fix?

young walrus Jun 21, 2018, 5:26 PM

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How to get her to show up in the TL fight

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 5:29 PM

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what ok but great slash and dash slash round down

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from 52.5 to 52

young walrus Jun 21, 2018, 5:30 PM

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Yeah. Thought it was truncated rounding

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 5:30 PM

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this is a PITA because I'm trying to make all slashes do normal game damage just by calculating the expected damage by hand

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to override blackmoth's 1 dmg slash

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ok this is really effing annoying

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while fragile strength modifies the damage done directly

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fotf modifies the damage multiplier

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which is an fsmvar thing

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[INFO]:[Redwing] damage dealt is 56
[INFO]:[Redwing] game wants to do 32 dmg with multiplier 1.75

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first one is expected damage using my formula

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second is the damage the way the game interprets it

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oh and it gets better

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if you fotf with great slash or whatever

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it doesn't affect the multiplier but does affect the damage done directly

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[INFO]:[Redwing] damage dealt is 53
[INFO]:[Redwing] game wants to do 92 dmg with multiplier 1
[INFO]:[Redwing] running override for hitter of name Great Slash

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but

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dash slash has it's damage unaffected by fotf

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just great slash

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this hacky mess is impossible to explain in words and annoying af to code

young walrus Jun 21, 2018, 5:43 PM

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welcome to TC coding

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 5:43 PM

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This is the code I have now to explain all the weird edge cases:

int nailDamage = 5 + PlayerData.instance.GetInt("nailSmithUpgrades") * 4;
            double multiplier = 1;
            float fsmMultiplier = 1;
            if (PlayerData.instance.GetBool("equippedCharm_25"))
            {
                multiplier *= 1.5;
            }
            if (PlayerData.instance.GetBool("equippedCharm_6") && PlayerData.instance.GetInt("health") == 1)
            {
                fsmMultiplier = 1.75f;
            }

            if (hitter.GameObject.name.Contains("Great"))
            {
                multiplier = 2.5 * fsmMultiplier;
                fsmMultiplier = 1;
            }

            if (hitter.GameObject.name.Contains("Dash"))
            {
                multiplier = 2.5;
                fsmMultiplier = 1;
            }
            nailDamage = (int) Math.Round( (double)nailDamage * multiplier);
            hit.DamageDealt = nailDamage;
            hit.Multiplier = fsmMultiplier;

it should work

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 5:43 PM

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they're trying their best, ok!?

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or

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I dunno

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 5:47 PM

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cool it works

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good god getting to 1 hp with redwing is hard

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I should probably make it a little less op

ornate rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:11 PM

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is the source code for infinite nkg public?

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:11 PM

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yeah, should be on Githun

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https://github.com/natis1/infinitegrimm/tree/master/infinitegrimm

GitHub

natis1/infinitegrimm

infinitegrimm - A Hollow Knight mod to make Grimm replayable in an endless, increasingly difficult battle.

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:14 PM

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ok, new version of modmanager is semi-working

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should I keep the right text with "Uncheck to uninstall" or should I just leave it as it was before?

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to-do list:

make it stop asking to install every mod that is already installed;
check the right boxes if the mod is already installed.

ornate rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:23 PM

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thanks

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:24 PM

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fixed

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any suggestion on the right-hand-side checkbox labels?

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or

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flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:25 PM

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why is the Mod Manager Zote?

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:25 PM

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cause it started as kind of a mem

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oh god

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code looks SO MUCH nicer

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and it's way easier to do stuff now too

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hnnng

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I'll keep it as it was, then

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updating the link in gitlab

scenic slate Jun 21, 2018, 6:31 PM

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I havn't downloaded infinate grimm for like 2 weeks now, anything imortant been updated?

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:32 PM

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hmmm

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I think the important update was a week ago?

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the one with NGG

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and stuff

scenic slate Jun 21, 2018, 6:32 PM

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nightmare god grimm?

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:33 PM

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yeah

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updated for Lifeblood

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but last phase is Infinite

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the 2 Grimms one

median night Jun 21, 2018, 6:43 PM

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how do you show the menu for debug? i accidentally hid it

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:43 PM

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f

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1

median night Jun 21, 2018, 6:43 PM

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thanks

ornate rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:44 PM

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This is going to be a really stupid question, like really stupid

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:44 PM

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yes?

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no question is stupid

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only unneeded

ornate rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:45 PM

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I deleted my old dnSpy to download it again so I went to pin and got it from 753's link but I cant find dnspy.exe in the the zip I got from github

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:45 PM

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well

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idk what to say

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I just downloaded mine a few days ago and it's there

dusky lion Jun 21, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Probably just corrupted during the download

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:46 PM

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https://github.com/0xd4d/dnSpy/releases/download/v5.0.0/dnSpy.zip

dusky lion Jun 21, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Download it once more

ornate rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:46 PM

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alright thanks

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:46 PM

#

Gradow

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tell me a number between 1 and 3

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:47 PM

#

e

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:47 PM

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and the result will be for you

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a gift

ornate rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:47 PM

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an integer*

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:47 PM

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because

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other people don't want to cooperate

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:47 PM

#

so...

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:47 PM

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well, E os 2.7

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which is closest to 3

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:47 PM

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e is close to 2.7, yeah

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:47 PM

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I can round it up to 3

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:47 PM

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sure

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3

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pi/3 is also between 1 and 3 btw

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:48 PM

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the Seer it is then

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:48 PM

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coulda gone with that

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:48 PM

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1 was Vespa

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2 was Sheo

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:48 PM

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phew

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lucky boi

dusky lion Jun 21, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Seer best so optimal outcome was achieved

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:48 PM

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^

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also

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gift?

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do I get the dreamnail?

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hollowwoke

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:48 PM

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you get a drawing of the Seer

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:49 PM

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oh! schweet!!!

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makes sense too

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being a moth and all

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LORE

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:49 PM

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it's in the style of the Brummm I posted

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and the Thistlewind

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so, not chibi

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come to meme to see

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:50 PM

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OH BOI

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sweating intensifies

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now throw it in a tar pit

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BAM

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blackmoth

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:53 PM

#

also

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Gradow

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what does the Black Moth look like?

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is it just a black Radiance or?

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I'd love to draw it some time as well

dusky lion Jun 21, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Like the Redwing you did except every color is a different shade of black

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:54 PM

#

DIFFERENTSHADWOFBLACK

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Fifty Shades of Black

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like

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Tar

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Blindness

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A Very Empty room

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Void

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Very VERY Dark Gray

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Discord's secret Truly Dark mode

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:56 PM

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so umm

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:56 PM

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mmu os

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:56 PM

#

I decided to make a thematic mod, inspired by Lightbringer

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and couldn't understand spells

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so I went with dash

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the dash items are Mothwing Cloak and Shade Cloak

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so I figured "hell, it's gonna be a moth-themed mod"

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and since you start with shadow dash and dash is associated with moths... BAM Blackmoth

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since I needed an icon for it in the old mod installer

dusky lion Jun 21, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Dashmoth tho

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:58 PM

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I grabbed a Radiance sprite and recolored it to black

dusky lion Jun 21, 2018, 6:58 PM

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No wait

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:58 PM

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that's it

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there's no "blackmoth", sadly

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sadgrub

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also

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LORE

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:59 PM

#

sadgrub

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omggrub

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:59 PM

#

but, yeah

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that's it, basically

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 6:59 PM

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So, I can't draw "the blackmoth" because there is no blackmoth

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sadgrub

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cryla

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 6:59 PM

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as I went on with the mod, I got this idea to envision the Blackmoth as some sort of counterpart to the Radiance

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 7:00 PM

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dungo

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:00 PM

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and now, the "lore" in Blackmoth is that you're the Knight searching for the Blackmoth to defeat the Radiance but - spoilers - you actually ARE the Blackmoth

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 7:00 PM

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oooh

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nice!

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(I never had a full playthrough of Blackmoth...)

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well then

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:01 PM

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so

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 7:01 PM

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won't let that discourage me

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THERE IS STILL FAN ART TO BE MADE

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:01 PM

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if you want to draw the blackmoth, by all means

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 7:01 PM

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I HAVE AN IDEA

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YOU'LL HAVE A HARD TIME BRINGING ME DOWN

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:01 PM

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playing blackmoth rn
do you need controller for the omni directional dash to work

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or am i bugged

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 7:01 PM

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just press arrows

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:01 PM

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do you have the mothwing cloak?

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:01 PM

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yes

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just got it

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:02 PM

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eh

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I can do it on kbm

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and controller

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:02 PM

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would it happen to have anything to do with me playing on the beta api

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:02 PM

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didn't even know it was still compatible

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so I'm gonna go with "maybe"

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:02 PM

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it seems to work fine

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:03 PM

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can you up/down dash tho?

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:03 PM

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only side

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

also, Papers, feel free to idealize the Blackmoth

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I honestly have no idea what it would look like

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:03 PM

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im gonna plug in a controller and see if that helps

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:03 PM

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necr, I have no idea

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yeah, give that a shot

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weird

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:04 PM

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tbh its probably because im on the beta api

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Papers, since we're on that topic: at some point I wanted to make that "void" knight you use to beat the Radiance playable

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tbh I still want to

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I also think so, necr

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 7:05 PM

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void knight?

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the Shade at the end?

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it's probably possible

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replace the animations with the shade ones

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make you gravityless

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:06 PM

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yeah

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tentacle boi

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I wanted to add that to blackmoth

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actually, I wanted to replace Grubber's with that

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:06 PM

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apparently my controller's busted

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or the game refused to accept it

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:06 PM

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?

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oh

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same for me

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I had to activate it in steam controllers

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:07 PM

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weird

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well im gonna downgrade to 1.2.2.1
do you think that will work

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:07 PM

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or activate beta support in the options, but that causes the game to crash on quit

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wait

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why not 1.3.1.5?

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:07 PM

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my game crashed when i used that

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idk how to downgrade to a specific lifeblood patch

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unless the api does it

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:08 PM

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just opt out of beta on steam

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it should revert you to latest stable version, that is 1.3.1.5

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:08 PM

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oh ok

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i thought that would revert me to last grimm patch for some reason

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:09 PM

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well

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1.2.2.1 is the last grimm patch

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:10 PM

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yeah i thought turning off public beta would take me there

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i guess not

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thanks

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:10 PM

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np!

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:10 PM

#

also, when i was fighting false knight, i ended up floating into the top right corner and getting gay baby jailed

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aka softlocked

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the game just didnt know what to do with my momentum when i dashed and got hit and jumped all around the same time i guess

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:12 PM

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kek

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that's a vanilla bug that I still don't know how to fix

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:13 PM

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yeah
on a side note downgrading to 1.3.1.5 worked

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thanks

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:13 PM

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np!

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omnidash works then?

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:13 PM

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yep

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time to break everything zote

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 7:13 PM

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zote

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:15 PM

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wow if you hold it right you can get really high

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Yeah

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TURBOOOOO

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:21 PM

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you can change direction if you input right too

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this is the best mod

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lightbringer sucks donger
blackmoth STRONG

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 7:21 PM

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indeed

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:21 PM

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💪

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:22 PM

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are you also using a turbo controller?

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Angle was the first person to describe that behaviour and he uses turbo

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cause he is a filthy cheater

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:23 PM

#

keyboard

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just holding jump after dashing up and i gain more upward momentum

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:25 PM

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yeah

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that's known

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but changing directions

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:25 PM

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i dashed, dashed again while dahsing (with a different input)

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its only a minor change

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doesnt completely do it

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but it looks cool

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zip zoom

📎 zipzoom.gif

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.gif

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:30 PM

#

in your case it's just momentum

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you dash upwards and then, after the dash, move left

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Angle was able to dash horizontally and, mid-dash, go up

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:30 PM

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oh that works too
let me get a gif of that

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:30 PM

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well

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"feature"

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zote

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:30 PM

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dont fix it lol

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:31 PM

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yeah, I won't

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~~cause I don't know what's wrong~~

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 7:31 PM

#

Ok

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Sketches of all 3 are done

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will do them tommorrow tho

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:31 PM

#

3?!?!

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 7:32 PM

#

yeah

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Vespa

#

Sheo

#

and The Seer

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:32 PM

#

Seerboi

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 7:32 PM

#

you get the Seer

#

well

#

good night

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elderbug

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:32 PM

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gnight!

#

elderbug

flat forum Jun 21, 2018, 7:33 PM

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G'~~radow~~ night

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:33 PM

#

im still suprised i havent completely smashed my arrow keys after all the shit i play

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i mean, my up arrow no longer has a cover

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and the side arrows stick sometimes

#

but they still work mostly

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:36 PM

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zombie keyboard

#

at least you can Escape

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zote

#

...

#

I'll take my leave

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:36 PM

#

ive only had this keyboard for a couple of months why did it break so fast

#

maybe all the celeste

#

zoomzip.gif

#

also

📎 zoomzip.gif

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:37 PM

#

nice!

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:37 PM

#

cant wait to screw around with this more

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:37 PM

#

I honestly have no idea how that works

#

but "yay"

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:38 PM

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neither do i, but its fun

ornate rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:42 PM

#

is that a feature from blackmoth?

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 7:48 PM

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its a feature™

#

yeah blackmoth gives you omnidirectional dash

#

and you can cancel it midair to go other directions if you're quick

#

the cancel doesnt really help but its fun

weak aspen Jun 21, 2018, 7:52 PM

#

noot zote

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 7:59 PM

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Wait till you get grubberfly

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 8:21 PM

#

mantis lords are super fun with blackmoth wow

#

its like they were designed precognitively around the to-be creation of this mod

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 8:23 PM

#

The blackmoth sees all

#

Even the future and the past are one and the same before the mighty Blackmoth

#

hollowwoke

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 8:24 PM

#

cornywoke

#

mop breaks everything zote

#

the upwards momentum is even more ridiculous now

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 8:32 PM

#

MoP + Longnail + Quick Dash imo

#

ur now god

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 8:33 PM

#

nice

#

i got sharpened nail but i odnt think the damage boost applied itself

#

to the dash that is

solemn rivet Jun 21, 2018, 8:46 PM

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It should

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 8:49 PM

#

weird, husk sentry took 5 hits

#

the small one

#

iirc he takes 4 from sharpened nail

#

i activated soul master's second phase while i was up on the first layer

#

now hes glitching out

#

floating glitch has killed me 3 times in the big mistake room now

#

and i lost 2000 geo
sadgrub

hazy sentinel Jun 21, 2018, 9:06 PM

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wtf necro playing hk

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 9:06 PM

#

idk either veru

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 9:07 PM

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necro play mantis gods

compact sedge Jun 21, 2018, 9:21 PM

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@solemn rivet the reason you can change dash directions mid dash is because DashPressedHook doesn't wait for your current dash to end before running again. You probably want to set a bool somewhere while dashing to stop this from happening. I fixed both this and the turbo button bug by waiting exactly 1 frame after the dash ends before doing anything with that hook. I'd send the fix but it could possibly totally break some of the charm interactions like grubberfly and I haven't tested with these yet.

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 9:21 PM

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56 stop promoting yourself

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 9:25 PM

#

no

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 9:25 PM

#

still sad that i cant get more damage
gonna have to start relying on spellcasting

rain cedar Jun 21, 2018, 9:25 PM

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Wow having to rely on the most damaging attacks to do damage

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 9:26 PM

#

why tf is everything named atlas0

rain cedar Jun 21, 2018, 9:26 PM

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To make it hard for you specifically to find the right sprite sheet

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 9:26 PM

#

true

rain cedar Jun 21, 2018, 9:27 PM

#

Really though it's just a Unity thing

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 9:28 PM

#

o

#

@buoyant obsidian you were right

📎 unknown.png

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this is the old one

buoyant obsidian Jun 21, 2018, 9:36 PM

#

yeah it's super painful

#

having to reposition all the sprites every few updates

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 9:37 PM

#

pain

📎 unknown.png

hazy sentinel Jun 21, 2018, 9:37 PM

#

254.png hollowwoke

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 9:47 PM

#

just skipped to the end of crystal peak without even entering it

#

cool

#

but i cant go back through

#

shit

fair rampart Jun 21, 2018, 9:56 PM

#

if I set a spawn point with debug, will the spawn point get reset when I sit on a bench?

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 9:56 PM

#

spawn points are just hazard respawns

#

so like

#

you'd set one

#

jump into a spike

#

and respawn where you set it

fair rampart Jun 21, 2018, 9:57 PM

#

how do I get the spawn point i set to reset though, if I didnt want to spawn there anymore?

copper nacelle Jun 21, 2018, 9:57 PM

#

walk out of the room

fair rampart Jun 21, 2018, 9:58 PM

#

Oh okay

#

Thanks

finite thistle Jun 21, 2018, 10:46 PM

#

apparently rebooting my game fixed the damage issue?

#

idk

#

i seem to be doing sharpened nail level damage with the dash now

solid wagon Jun 21, 2018, 10:47 PM

#

@rain cedar is there a tracker for Randomizer?

rain cedar Jun 21, 2018, 10:49 PM

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Yeah

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https://github.com/iamwyza/HollowKnightRandomizerTracker

solid wagon Jun 21, 2018, 11:15 PM

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sick thx

celest zodiac Jun 21, 2018, 11:37 PM

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hollow (sorry..), is github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod the one corresponding to the binary in the google drive folder?

leaden hedge Jun 21, 2018, 11:39 PM

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what do you mean

rain cedar Jun 21, 2018, 11:40 PM

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That's the source for the mod yes

celest zodiac Jun 21, 2018, 11:41 PM

#

I ask because I find different repos, so I want to know that I'm looking at the latest one, the one that correspond to the binary I can find through speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources ..

rain cedar Jun 21, 2018, 11:42 PM

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That's the source for the 1.3.1.5 randomizer

#

If that's what you're looking for

celest zodiac Jun 21, 2018, 11:43 PM

#

yeah, thank you 😃

#

I see from the list of issues that, while working, isn't completly stable?

rain cedar Jun 21, 2018, 11:44 PM

#

The only bug that I would say makes it unstable is this https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/issues/20

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I can't reproduce the bug

#

If you have C# experience and get this soft lock I'd really appreciate you looking into it

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It's caused by this, I just don't know why https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/RandomizerMod.cs#L376

celest zodiac Jun 21, 2018, 11:46 PM

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I know c# in general.. I don't know hollow knight much though.. I'm watching a streamed playthrough of vanilla, so for my first playthrough I thought I try randomized for extra luls and salt..

#

I already play link to the past randomizer so 😄

rain cedar Jun 21, 2018, 11:47 PM

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Cool

celest zodiac Jun 21, 2018, 11:48 PM

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but, once I know what I'm doing....

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one question though.. are charms randomized among charm locations, abilities among abilities, and so on.. or is the whole item pool randomized?

leaden hedge Jun 21, 2018, 11:50 PM

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latter

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except mask shards, notches, soul vessels, keys and other misc items

celest zodiac Jun 21, 2018, 11:51 PM

#

I have a limited understanding of tthose terms, but to put it the other way, it is the charms, abilities, and spells that are randomized, and are so as one pool, correct?

rain cedar Jun 21, 2018, 11:51 PM

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Yes

celest zodiac Jun 21, 2018, 11:51 PM

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alright, cool

leaden hedge Jun 21, 2018, 11:51 PM

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yes everything relevant to gameplay is randomized in one pool

#

its only stuff you dont really care about that isn't at all

celest zodiac Jun 21, 2018, 11:52 PM

#

which I as of right now have no clue or feeling for, but that's according to plan 😛

#

gonna be fun

leaden hedge Jun 21, 2018, 11:52 PM

#

in lttp it's kinda like bow/hookshot/fire rod etc is randomized, but small keys and heart containers aren't

celest zodiac Jun 21, 2018, 11:53 PM

#

you mean, as if the hk rando principle applied to lttp rando?

leaden hedge Jun 21, 2018, 11:53 PM

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yes "major" items only

celest zodiac Jun 21, 2018, 11:54 PM

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right, because fyi, the heart pieces and containers are also randomized these days..

leaden hedge Jun 21, 2018, 11:54 PM

#

yeah everything is randomized in alttp

celest zodiac Jun 21, 2018, 11:55 PM

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even more crazy, there is a keysanity mode that makes small keys, big keys, maps, compasses be anywhere..

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and maps and compasses are given additional function

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but anyhow... thank for your time 😃

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 12:20 AM

#

📎 unknown.png

#

you heard it here first

exotic venture Jun 22, 2018, 12:30 AM

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that's what you get for working with FSMs and playmaker

#

and only proper coding can anchor that stuff

solid wagon Jun 22, 2018, 1:00 AM

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https://clips.twitch.tv/PreciousAwkwardFoxHoneyBadger lmao

Twitch

TheLoserar Playing Hollow Knight - Twitch Clips

...How DID we get back here before them, Kronk? - Clipped by TheLoserar

▶ Play video

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 1:15 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20180621-211430.jpg

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@leaden hedge this is beautiful

leaden hedge Jun 22, 2018, 1:15 AM

#

thanks

dusky lion Jun 22, 2018, 1:42 AM

#

oh my goodness

opal hearth Jun 22, 2018, 1:54 AM

#

just curious, is it possible to softlock with the randomizer?

leaden hedge Jun 22, 2018, 1:54 AM

#

might still be able to with really obscure stuff

#

but generally no

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 1:57 AM

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turn off all the skips and if by some awful luck you still end up soft locked you can then abuse the skips to get around it

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 1:58 AM

#

LexiP it's meant to never softlock you

young walrus Jun 22, 2018, 1:59 AM

#

There's currently no known softlocks, so long as Sean fixed the one I ran into

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 2:06 AM

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I don't remember which one you had

#

So idk

young walrus Jun 22, 2018, 2:28 AM

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the one with the large dude in CoT not going left enough anymore

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 2:29 AM

#

I fixed that but I don't think I've put that on the drive

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 2:44 AM

#

how does rider get stacktraces from my game

#

what magic is this

#

oh nvm it gets it from my clipboard

#

woah

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 2:46 AM

#

zote

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 2:48 AM

#

anyway IDK what I'm doing wrong but I really hope nothing too bad because blackmoth broke:

[ERROR]:[API] - System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at BlackmothMod.Blackmoth.GetPrivateField (System.String fieldName) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at BlackmothMod.Blackmoth.CheckForDash () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at BlackmothMod.Blackmoth.Update () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoMethod:InternalInvoke (object,object[],System.Exception&)
  at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
  at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at System.Reflection.MethodBase.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Object[] parameters) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at System.Delegate.DynamicInvokeImpl (System.Object[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at System.MulticastDelegate.DynamicInvokeImpl (System.Object[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at System.Delegate.DynamicInvoke (System.Object[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at Modding.ModHooks.OnHeroUpdate () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0

This being without Redwing. Blackmoth version 1.7.0 with the correct patch to work on the new modding api.

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for reference it's using the modcommon library that I built blackmoth with and it built without errors

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:00 AM

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Angle: https://gitlab.com/gradow/Blackmoth/blob/master/BlackmothMod.cs#L783

GitLab

BlackmothMod.cs · master · Gradow / Blackmoth

Repository for Blackmoth HK mod

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this is what's breaking

opal hearth Jun 22, 2018, 3:02 AM

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thanks a bunch guys :3

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:11 AM

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I know but idk why I have the same code in mine albeit refactored and it doesn't break there

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 3:11 AM

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moving sprites is pain

📎 Lances.png

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:11 AM

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I'm trying to rebuild modcommon but 56 is dungo and wrote Playmaker.dll instead of PlayMaker.dll in the script and it broke on linux

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 3:11 AM

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wow a whole one character to change

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:12 AM

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well ya know I also had to change the rest of it too

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oh what the hell while I'm here I might as well add linux support to the build so it's like modding api

leaden hedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:19 AM

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good code 56

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you wouldn't have to move sprites if 753 wasn't a hack

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 3:20 AM

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boi it's a postbuild event

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oh that

leaden hedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:20 AM

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and made new objects with their own sprites loaded in

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instead of just replacing existing sprites

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 3:22 AM

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at least the sprites are embedded now

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:22 AM

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https://github.com/Kerr1291/ModCommon/pull/3 @pearl sentinel

GitHub

Add Linux build support to ModCommon, or to be more specific, to b...

…ding hooks into ModCommon.

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:22 AM

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Angle: how's it done in your code? I could just steal it and hope that fixes it

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 3:22 AM

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@buoyant obsidian https://youtu.be/zXf7Tb97LsI

YouTube

fiftysix

lightbringer tm

▶ Play video

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:22 AM

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uhh it's done exactly the same way which is why I'm confused

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I mean I did refactor it to take up fewer lines

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but functionally it's identical

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:23 AM

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nice 56!

leaden hedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:23 AM

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the annoying thing about this is, for cloak I'll probably have to reimplement the knights sprite rendering so it uses my spritesheet

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:23 AM

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so like copying the refactored one doesn't fix it

leaden hedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:23 AM

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which means I have to reanimate him

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:23 AM

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irk

leaden hedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:24 AM

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on the plus side I won't have to remask him for every update 🤔

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:24 AM

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also, refactor 3 lines? Boi, that's efficiency!

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now I need to see it

leaden hedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:24 AM

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and it won't be tk2d so I could actually do stuff with his animations at runtime

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:24 AM

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I'm rebuilding modcommon to see if it's a problem with that. my theory is they changed the name of some reflection var in the public beta

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:24 AM

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oh

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:24 AM

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and that's why it's breaking

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:24 AM

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could be

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someone complained about blackmoth being broken on beta

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and it fixed itself on stable

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something about omnidirectional dash not working

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:25 AM

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I'm looking into my dnspy now to see what did it

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https://gitlab.com/natis1/redwing/blob/master/redwing/redwing_greymoth.cs#L302

GitLab

redwing/redwing_greymoth.cs · master · Eli Stone / redwing

A firey Hollow Knight mod/addon for Blackmoth

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anyway that's my refactor

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I didn't make it, rider did

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but it looked sexy so I kept it

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 3:26 AM

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Cache FieldInfo

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:26 AM

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^

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:26 AM

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fuck

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:26 AM

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was about to say

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:26 AM

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u right

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:26 AM

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mine saves it in a list

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:26 AM

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aaaaaaaa ok

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:26 AM

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so it's easier to access common methods

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anyways

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I silently updated the installer because it wasn't uninstalling mods

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and now I gotta go

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:28 AM

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how much does caching this stuff matter anyway?

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:28 AM

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night everyone!

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:28 AM

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night

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:28 AM

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eh

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dunno

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makes sense for me tho

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reflection seems pretty costly

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:28 AM

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ok

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:28 AM

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I use like, what? 4 or 5 reflected fields and methods during dash in blackmoth

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:28 AM

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apparently about 1000 times slower

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than accessing directly

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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and I'm having to reflect that every time

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oh

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1000

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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makes sense

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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that's a bit much

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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well not like reading a value directly takes that long

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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yeah

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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1000 times 3 cpu cycles

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= still basically not that long

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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yeah

buoyant obsidian Jun 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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Fuck yeah 56

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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but if you're doing it a lot during update...

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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yeah

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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maybe it could cause some minor lag

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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better to do it less than more

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:30 AM

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and it's not like it's hard to circumvent anyways

buoyant obsidian Jun 22, 2018, 3:30 AM

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any chance we can just remove the audio from the lances and just play a single fwoosh when necessary?

solemn rivet Jun 22, 2018, 3:30 AM

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that said

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elderbug

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 3:31 AM

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elderbug

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yeah i could just kill the play one shot i think

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:41 AM

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Updated modcommon to try to test blackmoth and

Got a SIGABRT while executing native code. This usually indicates
a fatal error in the mono runtime or one of the native libraries
used by your application.

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I think this is a sign I just need to just go to sleep because clearly nothing's working out for me today or I wouldn't be seeing this.

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oh wait nvm modcommon has unsafe code

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I forgot

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 3:44 AM

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Not as far as I can tell

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📎 unknown.png

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:44 AM

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watch everything work when I build it with debug instead of release

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oh I bet it's breaking because it's globbing all the assemblies and I built it against regular and not beta

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ok I have no idea why this is happening

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 3:58 AM

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nice

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 3:59 AM

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but yeah for whatever reason I can't built modcommon and I've tried several things and they just don't seem to work

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ok I can build modcommon but only without hooks

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ugh monomod hookgen silently generates bad code

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Well I isolated the problem but it makes me mildly upset

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probably just with whatever version of mono I'm using. probably works 100% on windows

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:11 AM

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try updating mono

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ez

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:11 AM

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ree 5.12.0.226

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I'll just download your binary cuz I'm lazy and so done with this shit and figure out how to get it to build on Linux later

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:12 AM

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zote

leaden hedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:15 AM

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linux more like liNO

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gotem

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:17 AM

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wow that's so clever I literally never heard that one before

leaden hedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:17 AM

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thanks

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i watch richard and mortimer

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so my iq is atleast 100%

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:18 AM

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I just took an online IQ test and it reported my IQ as 4294967295 points

leaden hedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:18 AM

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wow -1

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thats good

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:19 AM

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doyouevenunsignedint

leaden hedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:19 AM

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no

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:19 AM

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unsigned ints are for people with low iq

leaden hedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:22 AM

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my iq came out as a 69 mantissa and a 420 exponent

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:23 AM

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hey 56 did you ever test that your modcommon binary actually works on other OSes since you dual boot? The one I made in the past based on your fork, aka the first possible version of ModCommon that had hooks did (so early it was still version 0.0.2), but regardless of if I download the one from the drive or compile it I am unable to get it working now.

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:23 AM

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nope

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I haven't changed the ModCommon code at all since then tho

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except for the version number bump

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:24 AM

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it crashes for me with SIGABRT (6) on:

  at (wrapper managed-to-native) UnityEngine.Object.Internal_CloneSingle (UnityEngine.Object) <0x00062>
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) UnityEngine.Object.Internal_CloneSingle (UnityEngine.Object) <0x00062>
  at UnityEngine.Object.Instantiate<object> (object) <0x00035>
  at ObjectPool.CreatePool (UnityEngine.GameObject,int) <0x001d1>
  at ObjectPool.CreateStartupPools () <0x000a6>
  at ObjectPool.Start () <0x00031>
  at (wrapper runtime-invoke) object.runtime_invoke_void__this__ (object,intptr,intptr,intptr) <0x0005e>

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then I guess I'll blame kerr

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:24 AM

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but he hasn't changed it either

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oh wait

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:25 AM

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im confused

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:25 AM

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removing harmony happened

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but that really shouldn't make a difference

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:25 AM

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that's what I'd think

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right?

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:25 AM

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yeah

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:26 AM

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ok I'm going to the commit right after PR1

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and building it

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and seeing if it works

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:26 AM

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if it works i kms

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:26 AM

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and if it does then same imo

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I'm not sure if I want this to work or to not work

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:32 AM

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zote

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:34 AM

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ok well on the plus side it doesn't work which is great because I was mildly worried for a minute that removing harmony broke stuff. Now I have no idea. So I'm thinking deleting the HK folder and just reinstalling from steam

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and going to sleep

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and hoping in the morning everything just works

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:34 AM

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elderbug

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:35 AM

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elderbug

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:50 AM

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Ok I can't go without giving y'all some closure

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I wish I was kidding

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uninstalling and reinstalling the game did what verifying the integrity and deleting the mods folder could not

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:50 AM

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delet this

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:51 AM

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I wish I was kidding

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wtf

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someone explain this to me

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because I'm effing clueless

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:51 AM

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also today i found out the error i thought was only happening when i used modhooks was actually happening with monomod hooks too it just logged it to output_log so i didn't see it

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:51 AM

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I left the saves folder untouched which includes the "registry"

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:51 AM

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and the error has 0 effect

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:52 AM

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All I did was delete and reinstall the game

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:52 AM

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did you have the json fsm dumper or something?

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:52 AM

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no I've never used that one

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well except for once

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but keep in mind

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I verified my game files in steam

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and deleted the mods folder

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so no third party files at all

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and that made HK launch

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but the second I reinstalled modcommon with the hooks it broke

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but

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uninstalling and reinstalling the game

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and suddenly I can

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wtf

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:53 AM

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tf

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:54 AM

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I need a new hobby

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:54 AM

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false

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:54 AM

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https://xkcd.com/1316/ me irl

xkcd: Inexplicable

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 4:55 AM

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yes

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 4:55 AM

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Verify game files: Make sure all game files are there and not broken
Complete reinstall: Also gets rid of lingering irrelevant/harmful files

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:57 AM

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I deleted the mods folder, what other harmful files are there

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just so I know in the future

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I guess the config.ini with language and max framerate and nothing else

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 4:57 AM

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You went from beta to regular branch so idk maybe some beta files

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Just all I can think of

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 4:58 AM

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no when I did the reinstall I did it by deleting the HK folder, installing regular, switching to beta

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and only after switching to beta did I test it

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and it worked

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 4:58 AM

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Weird

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 5:00 AM

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Unless there's some harmful files I missed I only have one possible explanation and it's so out there that I don't believe it myself

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 5:00 AM

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changing HeroController.instance.playerData to PlayerData.instance got rid of 2/3rds of my null refs

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wtf

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 5:00 AM

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hmmm

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 5:00 AM

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it used to consistently null ref 3 times on add mp charge spa

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now it's only 1

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 5:01 AM

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oh well makes sense

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assume that each of the following is null: HeroController, HeroController.instance, PlayerData

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actually does that make sense?

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idk

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 5:01 AM

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then update shouldn't exist

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cause it's herocontroller's update

compact sedge Jun 22, 2018, 5:02 AM

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oh right

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 5:04 AM

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But HeroController.Start already assigns it to PlayerData.instance

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Respawn as well it looks like

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 5:18 AM

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error is apparently just from that last line

📎 unknown.png

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and the null refs going away was good luck cause one came back

long creek Jun 22, 2018, 5:19 AM

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Hi all sorry to ask but is the randomizer mod working for the newest version of the game?

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 5:19 AM

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rando 2

long creek Jun 22, 2018, 5:20 AM

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I installed the API & Mod Common and the randomizing options doesn't show up when I start new games

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 5:20 AM

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defeat thk

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 5:20 AM

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Ok this is such a common problem now

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I'll just auto unlock steel soul

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 5:21 AM

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found my error

long creek Jun 22, 2018, 5:21 AM

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Oh, so if I haven't unlocked steel soul option the randomizer doesn't work?

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 5:21 AM

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yeah

young walrus Jun 22, 2018, 5:21 AM

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you need to have beaten the game

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 5:21 AM

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HeroController.gm.soulOrb_fsm was null

long creek Jun 22, 2018, 5:21 AM

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Gotcha, thanks guys

young walrus Jun 22, 2018, 5:21 AM

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for some reason though, the latest version was locking steel soul

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even if you had beaten it

long creek Jun 22, 2018, 5:22 AM

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oh..

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Damn, I'll wait for an update then

young walrus Jun 22, 2018, 5:22 AM

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just go beat THK

long creek Jun 22, 2018, 5:22 AM

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Thanks for everything you guys do though

young walrus Jun 22, 2018, 5:22 AM

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it'll work then

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 5:22 AM

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kill thk and don't wait for an update ez trick

young walrus Jun 22, 2018, 5:23 AM

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that comment wasn't at you

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it was for sean

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 5:23 AM

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📎 RandomizerMod2.0.dll

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Just use that one

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I added a call to unlocking steel soul in the init

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 5:23 AM

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killed my null refs

📎 unknown.png

long creek Jun 22, 2018, 5:24 AM

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Oh wow, that's crazy fast

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Thank you*!

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Is True=randomize or false=randomize?

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 5:27 AM

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what

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 5:27 AM

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Idk

long creek Jun 22, 2018, 5:27 AM

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On the randomizer selection screen

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 5:28 AM

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The start game button that says randomizer on it is the randomizer button

long creek Jun 22, 2018, 5:30 AM

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The true/false on this is not very clear

📎 unknown.png

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 5:31 AM

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How is it not clear?

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True is yes

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False is no

long creek Jun 22, 2018, 5:31 AM

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So false on all bosses means they won't randomize bosses?

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Thanks all done with questions!

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 5:32 AM

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Ok so you're confused by "restrictions", not the true/false

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Those are things you need to do to beat the game

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In addition to dreamers

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That's a relatively common thing to not get but idk what else to put there to make it clearer

young walrus Jun 22, 2018, 5:34 AM

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Maybe "completion requirement options?"

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shrugs

rain cedar Jun 22, 2018, 5:34 AM

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Is there even room for that?

opal hearth Jun 22, 2018, 5:35 AM

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dumb question. are skips like, glitched/sequence breaking stuff?

young walrus Jun 22, 2018, 5:35 AM

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Glitches, no

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Sequence breaking, yes

opal hearth Jun 22, 2018, 5:36 AM

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ah fair enough. i've only able to do one, which was getting the pale ore at the top of crystal peak early.

young walrus Jun 22, 2018, 5:36 AM

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An example would be getting up crystal peak with no claw

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Or getting deep focus without super dash

opal hearth Jun 22, 2018, 5:37 AM

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oh wow. that's probably beyond my skills lol.

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thanks for the info tho!

young walrus Jun 22, 2018, 5:37 AM

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Probably. Hard is not recommended unless you know speedrun tech

opal hearth Jun 22, 2018, 5:37 AM

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makes sense.

flat forum Jun 22, 2018, 7:46 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/ZsfEvIC.jpg

Imgur

copper nacelle Jun 22, 2018, 8:29 AM

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@dusky lion is this u

bronze temple Jun 22, 2018, 9:40 AM

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@compact sedge what bad code does HookGen generate? I'd like to fix it, if it's still an issue in the newest version of HookGen.

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There actually was a regression with RuntimeDetour on Linux and macOS in some specific environments, which went unnoticed for quite a while, but that has been fixed recently. Maybe an update is worth looking into.

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Although... your SIGABRT stack trace doesn't actually indicate anything being wrong with it, and the regression manifested as SIGSEGVs, not SIGABRTs.

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Also, once you've got a FieldInfo, accessing the field isn't that bad. MethodInfos on the other hand are still slow, though, but you can get around that via DynamicMethod + CreateDelegate

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MonoMod.Utils ships with a "fast reflection helper" which does that, and it's required for RuntimeDetour and HookGen to work.

celest zodiac Jun 22, 2018, 10:27 AM

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good thing I looked back here... so in my case my plan is to play the game with randomizer as my first playthrough.. so.. in other words, not having completed it before.. hopefully without any spoiler, is there a specific reason for that design choice, or was it simply a technical issue?