archived-modding-development

[fair rampart]

yall know the animal thats eating the fungues

?

in queens station?

[leaden hedge]

and mask/souls will require an instance of them, which you may be unable to get

[fair rampart]

theres a secret there xD

[leaden hedge]

so you'll probably have to recode those from scratch

not relevant to this channel 🤔

and yes I have jumped up there

[young walrus]

@fair rampart why the fuck are you saying that here? of course we know there's a secret up there

[fair rampart]

y are u so mean ):

[leaden hedge]

because this channel is only for discussion about installing mods, mod mechanics and mod development

[fair rampart]

ik

[leaden hedge]

and the occasional datamining

[young walrus]

"Newton's third law: All forces in the universe occur in equal but oppositely directed pairs. There are no isolated forces; for every external force that acts on an object there is a force of equal magnitude but opposite direction which acts back on the object which exerted that external force. "

[leaden hedge]

shitposts are allowed though

[hollow pier]

see above

[leaden hedge]

but only because mods are gay haa

[hollow pier]

ur mum gay is the only non gay mod

[young walrus]

Guys, did you know there's an egg in the lifeblood core area? fucking mind blowing

[floral furnace]

rip ur mum gay mod, removed from the site in less than a day

[leaden hedge]

did you know if you click on the start game button it starts a completely different game
I thought the menu had a lot of content but after finishing it twice I'm excited for this "start game" option

[old fog]

hey hi, back to my precedent question... when will i know ssteam downloaded the depot i need to patch down my game?

and where can i find it then?

[leaden hedge]

it'll print a directory

and it'll be at the directory it printed

[old fog]

what do you mean with "print a directory"? (I'm sorry for this probably stupid question )

[young walrus]

it'll say "download complete"

and it'll print the file path in the steam console

like.... "c:/thing/place/file/folder/etc"

[old fog]

oh... ok thx

... do you know what is the name of the dowloaded file? can you tell me pls?

[leaden hedge]

file?

its the entire game

[young walrus]

^

[old fog]

oh. so wait, when the download will be completed, the console will say so and give me a link to a file, right?

and this file is the entire game or something to put in the game?

[leaden hedge]

it won't be a file

it'll be the same as your hollow knight folder in your steam/steamapps/common/

[young walrus]

It won't give you a link, it'll tell you where it is

[leaden hedge]

but with an earlier version of the game

[young walrus]

Then you copy that entire folder over and replace the one that's already in your steam folder

[old fog]

oh so it will be just another hollow knight folder and then i copy it and paste in the steam folder with the games?

[young walrus]

Right click hollow knight in steam, properties, file path, open file location

That's where you move the folder to

I don't remember the exact tab name

[leaden hedge]

you don't need to overwrite you can use a appid text file to tell steam its legit

[young walrus]

But it's something like that

[leaden hedge]

and it'll work without overwriting it

[old fog]

yeah, so when the download is compleated the steam console will tell me and give me a directory to where the new folder is. THEM

[leaden hedge]

just put this file next to the downpatched versions exe and it'll work

oops that has the wrong number

this one is correct

[old fog]

ok, so where do i put it again?

[leaden hedge]

that goes next to the downgraded versions exe

instead of overwriting your current install

and it'll work

[old fog]

wait... i still haven't done anything to downgrade my game version

[leaden hedge]

you're downloading the downgraded version 🤔

you don't do anything to downgrade

but the guide says to overwrite your install with the downgraded version

but you can just use a steam_appid.txt have both at the same time

[old fog]

oh.... sooooooo i just wait for the console to tell me everything is downloaded?

[leaden hedge]

yes then you have a 1.2.2.1 or whatever install of the game

[old fog]

(I have no clue about anything sorry )

[leaden hedge]

but when you click the exe it'll launch the version installed with steam, unless you overwrite your steam install or put that txt file next to its exe

because thats how steam drm works

[young walrus]

couldn't you add it as a non steam game?

or would you still need that id file

[old fog]

oh so where do i have to put the file you gave me?

[leaden hedge]

it'd still launch the vanilla exe

but yes

you could add it as a non-steam game with the id file and it'd work

[young walrus]

i might do that just to have more than the 2 I already have

[leaden hedge]

it goes next to the exe

[old fog]

ok so i put the file in the same folder where the exe is, right?

[young walrus]

of the version you're currently downloading, yes

[old fog]

ok... but then, what do i have to do to put backthe 1.3.1.5 version?

[leaden hedge]

nothing

[young walrus]

^

[leaden hedge]

you just launch that as normal

[young walrus]

if you add this text file, you'll have both

[leaden hedge]

but if you don't do that your downgraded exe will just launch 1.3.1.5

[young walrus]

how'd you choose this ID number KDT? just the same one that steam assigns to HK?

[leaden hedge]

its the appid for hollow knight

you can get them from steamdb

[young walrus]

oh no, it's the first one of the depot download

[leaden hedge]

well yeah

[young walrus]

makes sense

[leaden hedge]

because thats telling it what steam id to look at

[young walrus]

yaya

so what's the 367521 referring to

[leaden hedge]

thats windows

2 is mac

3 is linux

[young walrus]

ah

kk

then the last string is obvi the patch file number

sveet

[leaden hedge]

if you look here you can see the manifest numbers https://steamdb.info/depot/367521/manifests/

[old fog]

soooooooooo

it didn't work

i don't know how to do ittttttt

[leaden hedge]

what a great and informative error report

thanks

[old fog]

sorry, i just don't know how to do everything... could you pls re-explain how to downpatch my 1.3.1.5 version to the 1.2.2.1 one?

[leaden hedge]

run this in steam console download_depot 367520 367521 648876203478229944
put steam_appid.txt in the directory it prints out

you're done

[old fog]

ok

[leaden hedge]

you need to make sure the id in the txt file is 367520

[old fog]

anyway, i think i did something dumb. I started the download 3 times now... 2 before and one now. None of the other two said the download was complete though... is it a problem ? (I know I probably sound really dumb now... )

[young walrus]

How long are you waiting?

you're downloading the entire game, it's going to take awhile

#patience

[old fog]

ohhhhhhhhh.... ok then! I'll just wait... sorry if i didn't get it before 😅

so after everything is done i go to the directory steam gives me and put the txt file with 367520 there. Right?

and after that?

[young walrus]

then you run the .exe

play the game

[old fog]

okkkkk

but wait, can i put the lightbringer mode in the game after i dowload the 1.2.2.1 v?

[young walrus]

yes

[old fog]

also, can i play on hollow knight while i wait for steam to finish the download?

[young walrus]

just make sure you're installing it in that folder you downloaded, not the original one

[old fog]

okkkkkkkkkkkk

[young walrus]

if your computer can handle it, sure. theyre separate files

no reason you can't

unless steam stops the download cuz you're in a steam game

which it might do

[old fog]

Oh.

Well i am in a steam game....

[young walrus]

yeah, then you might want to close that

[old fog]

I mean, i wanted to say Hollow Knight is from steam... so i won't play it then

I don't want to restart everything from the beginning

[young walrus]

just let it download everything. close any steam games you have open. just let it do its thing

[solemn rivet]

can't you just tell steam to not stop downloads?

[leaden hedge]

you can

[old fog]

Anyway, Thank you a lot guys! For helping me out and beeing patien with me 😁

[solemn rivet]

I know you -can- , I do use that

I'm asking if he can

[young walrus]

is there a profile setting for that?

I usually just start downloads then go do something else for 10 minutes

[old fog]

i don't know how 😶

[solemn rivet]

it's an option in settings yeah

[young walrus]

that's pretty neat.

[young walrus]

not something I'll use

but neat

[old fog]

oh cool!

[young walrus]

throttling your download?

[solemn rivet]

shared bandwidth

[old fog]

So if i check that i can play hollow knight while playing?

[solemn rivet]

can't kill the connection for everyone else, can I?

[young walrus]

sure you can

establish dominance

[solemn rivet]

Nerest: yes

[leaden hedge]

I have mine throttled so I don't constantly write at my internet speed to my harddrive

[old fog]

jk it says i have to restart steam

[hoary anvil]

how do i use mods?

[old fog]

so nope, i can't play

[leaden hedge]

you install them

[young walrus]

you play the game with them

[hoary anvil]

i did

[solemn rivet]

and play the game

that's it

[old fog]

i know a good video that explains that

[young walrus]

if they don't show up in the top left of the main menu, then you didn't do it right

and please don't link that top 5 video. that is not a good video

hopefully he's deleted it by now

[hollow pier]

he has

[young walrus]

k good

[solemn rivet]

unlisted ≠ delet

[old fog]

https://youtu.be/c40y5PSH-sw

[young walrus]

did he really just unlist instead of making it private?

[old fog]

Here

[young walrus]

is that actually a tutorial?

thought it was a veru shit post

[old fog]

the video i mean, he explains really good actually

[hollow pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYi-MVwOu4 yeah its just unlisted

no its actually genuinely helpful

[old fog]

yep that is a very good tutorial

[young walrus]

i've never watched it, myself

[solemn rivet]

oh

[old fog]

go check it out

[young walrus]

that should be pinned

if it's good

[solemn rivet]

I never knew veru made one as well

watching it

[old fog]

it's really helpfull

[solemn rivet]

if it is, I'll pin it and remove the other one

[young walrus]

why would i check it out. I already know how to install mods

[solemn rivet]

cause that's irrelevant now

[fair rampart]

How do you download the randomizer mod..?

[hollow pier]

its better than the other one imo

[leaden hedge]

veru making a non-meme is a double meme

[fair rampart]

I'm having some trouble lul

[leaden hedge]

hes ascended

[hollow pier]

the k0cc4 one or smth

its a pretty old video the veru one

[buoyant obsidian]

new one needs to contain how to downpatch too

[fair rampart]

Can aaanybody help me xD

[old fog]

what is the problem?

[hollow pier]

use an installer

[old fog]

@fair rampart i suggest you watch the video i linked, it talks about randomizer too

also you have to have the 1.2.2.1 version of the game

[hollow pier]

no

[solemn rivet]

ok, I'm pinning Veru's vid

[hollow pier]

rando works and is better on lifeblood

[old fog]

oh... sorry then

[solemn rivet]

If you need help installing any mod, please watch this video made by Verulean: https://youtu.be/c40y5PSH-sw

[leaden hedge]

who is going to watch a verulean video

[hollow pier]

useful shitpost 🤔

[old fog]

it's lightbringer that doesen't work on lifeblod

[leaden hedge]

thats obviously a meme

[fair rampart]

1.2.2.1 :(((

[solemn rivet]

veru capitalizing on those views

[fair rampart]

Before lifeblood? Yuckk

[old fog]

i already watched it anyway

[hollow pier]

installing mods is the same process on every patch

[solemn rivet]

should I unpin k0cc4's vid?

[hollow pier]

should be anyways

[compact sedge]

I guess I'll post this here too, since y'all might appreciate this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoE9GuWDzPw

I'm like, really bad with video editing so sorry it's not perfect

[hollow pier]

little fire god

[solemn rivet]

zero assets

yup, that's AA

[hollow pier]

the most ambitious mod since lightbringer

blackmoth footage not shown

what are you

thesuperforge

[solemn rivet]

[compact sedge]

I still need to implement blackmoth integration, it should only take like 30 minutes to code but it's gonna be a lot of testing so I've put it off for now.

[hollow pier]

shouldnt take more than 5 minutes

[solemn rivet]

I really like this

[old fog]

mee too!

[fair rampart]

Is the randomizer mod compatible with Lifeblood?

[compact sedge]

Randomizer 2 is

[fair rampart]

[solemn rivet]

if there's anything I can do to make blackmoth better for compatibility, please do tell

[leaden hedge]

who needs assets when you can store them in strings

[compact sedge]

nah the one PR I got added to the modding API should be all I need

[flat forum]

FUCk

@compact sedge this is really nice

also thanks for using the moth drawing

[compact sedge]

thanks it's really good and you said I could use it however so I couldn't pass it up

[flat forum]

Oh, of course

[solemn rivet]

Papers make blackmoth art plz

u our official mod artist

[flat forum]

all my art is free to use by anyone however under these conditions:
You notify me first
You credit me (don't steel plz)
You don't use it in any malicious context

Ok

Blackmoth art

coming

Early 2018

what do you want me to draw specifically

[solemn rivet]

oh

it was mems

but, yay

ummm

ok

hmmm

I was not ready for this

[flat forum]

hehehe

you didn't think I'll actually agree to make art?

[solemn rivet]

can you... Draw charms?

no, that's not it

[flat forum]

draw charm in-game style?

[solemn rivet]

yeah, or at least semi-

[flat forum]

.-.)

hmm

[compact sedge]

can we get quick slash but actually a million fused together cloaks

[flat forum]

I can try

Ooh

that's an interesting thing

[solemn rivet]

don't worry, tho

honestly

I'm already asking for way too much

[flat forum]

I'll see what I can do

[solemn rivet]

yay!

[flat forum]

=)

[solemn rivet]

because the only thing that I feel like it's still missing from blackmoth (aside from quality coding) is nice artwork for the charms

[ornate rivet]

Can someone help me with non-hk related thingy. I need a project idea on cyber security that will take a school year to do. Does anyone have any ideas? PLS HELP

[flat forum]

can you send me the shadow cloak pic?

Loreseekers Rebord

[buoyant obsidian]

Oh I remembered why Burning Pride changes the color of slashes

[flat forum]

is it a mod thing?

[buoyant obsidian]

I used Fury slashes

which reference a different segment of the Knight's spritesheet

[buoyant obsidian]

than the normal slash

[flat forum]

Ok

and you happen to have QuickSlash? I should have it here somewhere as well, I had the whole charm sheet

gimme a sec.

[flat forum]

Radidamn you fast!

[solemn rivet]

AA: how does redwing work? Are the effects based on charms or smth?

[compact sedge]

nope. I have 0 charm interactions

[flat forum]

no, they are currently all always on

like in Blackmoth

[compact sedge]

because I want it to work with mods that do add charms

[flat forum]

or Lightbringer

[solemn rivet]

nice

[compact sedge]

there is one charm I'm gonna do something about and that's dashmaster for people without blackmoth

[solemn rivet]

a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...

[compact sedge]

because right now without blackmoth but with redwing dashmaster is useless

[solemn rivet]

KDT was working on extending the inventory screen

any progress on that front?

[fair rampart]

Ahhhhhhhhh

[solemn rivet]

?

[leaden hedge]

its still very usable for custom inventories

[fair rampart]

I cant download dis stoopid mod

[leaden hedge]

I just haven't got round to adding a bunch of animation and callbacks to enable the map/charm/journal pages

[solemn rivet]

use installers

[leaden hedge]

i could probably make a charm menu in 10minutes but it wouldn't look and feel very vanilla

unlike the actual inv page

[solemn rivet]

nah, don't bother, m8

just asking

[leaden hedge]

I get use out of it anyway

I used it in bossrush

and I guess I could use it in another mods I make that use an inventory system

[fair rampart]

use installers

ah yes, problem solved

[solemn rivet]

if that were fully fleshed out, we could add new charms to, say, redwing and bonfire

Ozcaty that's the best solution I can give you if you don't tell me what exactly is wrong

[leaden hedge]

I mean making a charm menu work would only take 10minutes, it just wouldn't have the bar at the top and fancy animations

[fair rampart]

aighty

[compact sedge]

custom charms would be cool I just have no idea what I'd use them for in redwing besides passive stuff.

[solemn rivet]

how much would AA have to pay you to get the bar at the top and fancy animations?

elemental wings when?

[fair rampart]

Where is the google drive with all the mods?

[solemn rivet]

pins

[fair rampart]

Looked there

[hoary anvil]

the mod still doesn't work 😦

[solemn rivet]

what's the issue, Muffins?

[fair rampart]

ok wasnt working before, its g now

[leaden hedge]

many moneys to get animations

[hoary anvil]

i'm trying to use the bonfire mod and it doesn't work

[leaden hedge]

although actually it should only be, animate(linear interp function, start pos, end pos, speed, callback)
or I guess I could use a coroutine approach

[hoary anvil]

i added the mod files to the game file

[solemn rivet]

does the game even launch?

[hoary anvil]

yes

[solemn rivet]

does it say anything at all in the top left of the title screen?

[hoary anvil]

no...

[solemn rivet]

did you install the modding API?

[hoary anvil]

i didn't even know it was a thing until now

so no
i didn't

[compact sedge]

if you're on lifeblood beta now's the time to switch to the regular branch btw

[hoary anvil]

and how do i do that?

[compact sedge]

because I'm like the only one here with a beta build of the modding api

if you don't know how you're not on the beta branch

so don't worrry about it

[fair rampart]

"Fatal Error"

[hoary anvil]

i'm on the public beta

[fair rampart]

ok less fatal

[compact sedge]

IMO we should start distributing beta branch modding apis with the explicit warning that some stuff might break

[fair rampart]

ok whut

[compact sedge]

anyway until we do switch to the non-beta

[hoary anvil]

so how do i even download the mod api?

[compact sedge]

from the drive

[fair rampart]

I started the HK api

[young walrus]

just use an installer

[compact sedge]

or use the mod installer

[fair rampart]

I used the installer

[solemn rivet]

"started the API"

you don't run the api

[fair rampart]

Okay, I downloaded to mod installer and the version of HK i needed

It said "successfully downloaded mod" or whatever

Then I launched it

[solemn rivet]

ok

[fair rampart]

No options

[solemn rivet]

options?

[fair rampart]

Like, its just vanilla

[solemn rivet]

what mod did you install? Does the game even launch?

ok

[fair rampart]

Yeah It launches

[solemn rivet]

doe you have text in the top-left of the title screen?

[hoary anvil]

is it spouse to be in the mod file itself in the g drive?

[fair rampart]

No text

1.3.1.5

Same save files as my other HK

[solemn rivet]

"other HK"?

[fair rampart]

Like, the other executable

[solemn rivet]

Muffins: if you're on beta, ask Angle for the beta API

[leaden hedge]

saves are per computer

not per game

[fair rampart]

Thanks KDT

[solemn rivet]

anyway

[fair rampart]

Idk what I did wrong ill do some tinkering

[solemn rivet]

you don't have the API installed

[fair rampart]

API? Which is?

[solemn rivet]

if it was installed, it'd show on top left

it's the modding API

the installer should let you install it

actually, my installer auto installs it

[fair rampart]

Is it the icon that has zote?

[solemn rivet]

that's the installer

my installer, actually

[fair rampart]

Okay, and the api..? idk what that even is

[solemn rivet]

when you clicked to install the mod

did it not ask you to install the API?

[fair rampart]

Nope?

Ill reinstall it

[solemn rivet]

which mod did you install, just so I can test this myself?

[compact sedge]

I'll just post it I guess

[fair rampart]

"modding api successfully installed"

Is that what I want?

[solemn rivet]

yup

[fair rampart]

😄

[solemn rivet]

try running the game now

[fair rampart]

willdo

negative we have no menu

[solemn rivet]

which mod are you trying to install?

and by "no menu" you mean that the title screen has no options?

[fair rampart]

Randomizer V2

That's what I mean no menu

Like literally just the title xD

[solemn rivet]

lemme check something, brb

[fair rampart]

Sure, thanks for the help

[solemn rivet]

did you get this prompt when installing the mod?

[fair rampart]

No

Nao*

[solemn rivet]

it was literally the first thing to pop up for me

anyway

you can install it directly

weird

[fair rampart]

Right, I didn't get it

My game just launched with no menu lol

[solemn rivet]

just install the modcommon

[fair rampart]

modcommon? where do i find that?

[fair rampart]

Oh righto ty

[solemn rivet]

that's actually weird

can someone else confirm it's not asking to install modcommon?

[fair rampart]

successfully installed

Everything works

Appreciate your soul

Game launches fine, getting the text top left

[solemn rivet]

great!

[fair rampart]

How do I actually enable the mod?

[solemn rivet]

it's enabled by default

[fair rampart]

Hmm, randomizer mod isnt coming up on "mods" but its coming up top left

[young walrus]

Start a game

[fair rampart]

Does that mean its on and has no settings?

[young walrus]

Start a game

[solemn rivet]

it has settings, but you select it on starting a new game

[young walrus]

Have you beat the game once

It won't show up if you haven't. The settings selection is put on the steel soul/normal mode selection screen

[fair rampart]

Yeah I got fury of the fallen from the same charm

Yeah Ive beat the game once I have speedrunner on my name haha

[young walrus]

That's not my point. Has the game been beaten on this install

[fair rampart]

Yes

[young walrus]

I don't care if you personally have beaten it.

[solemn rivet]

you need to be able to select steel soul

[fair rampart]

Or I wouldnt have save files

[young walrus]

What gradow said

[fair rampart]

I can change the menu theme to steel soul

I believe that means Ive beaten the game

Oh I had bonfire mod on

Mod incompatibilities?

[young walrus]

Probably

[fair rampart]

Will try new game with it off

When I start new game it doesnt give me the option for any settings tho

[solemn rivet]

shouldn't be incompatible like at all

[fair rampart]

Just starts

[solemn rivet]

lemme see

[young walrus]

Screen shots

[hollow lantern]

I had that same problem back when I tried to, no options I mean

just kinda gave up

[young walrus]

Cuz if selecting a save slot starts a game immediately, then the game doesn't know you can select steel soul

[fair rampart]

Yeah its not working

[young walrus]

send a screen shot of your title menu

i don't care about the pick up

[fair rampart]

okay xD

[young walrus]

not sure that toggle even works for bonfire

uncheck it in the installer

[solemn rivet]

somewhat

[fair rampart]

Restart?

[young walrus]

the game? yes

[fair rampart]

It is installed, has a tick next to it

It even shows in the top left

[young walrus]

then when you select a new save slot, it should show you an options screen

[fair rampart]

Ill try again

[young walrus]

and if it doesn't, you need to beat the game to unlock steel soul

[fair rampart]

No options

Just launches

[young walrus]

yeah, then you need to beat the HK

we have save files you can download to send you there

[fair rampart]

I've obviously beaten it though

Or how could I have "steel soul" as my wallpaper

[hazy sentinel]

are you able to start a steel soul save

[fair rampart]

No

Is this because I already have a steel soul save?

[young walrus]

if you can't start a steel soul save, then the game doesn't know that you've beaten it

again, i don't personally care if you've beaten it before

all that matters is what the game thinks

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources

[fair rampart]

Mate, the evidence in game shows, I have beaten it, and it knows ive beaten it

[young walrus]

there's 106% save files there

[hazy sentinel]

is this what tech support is like

[fair rampart]

Like, the game lets me change the wallpapers accordingly, which you can only do IF youve beaten the game

[young walrus]

i understand that

but you need to have the steel soul selection screen

[fair rampart]

Which I have, multiple times, on this account

Ill try defeating the Hollow Knight on one of my saves then

Maybe that will remind the game

[young walrus]

another option to troubleshoot would be to verify file integrity to uninstall the API. then try to start a new save

if the steel soul selection screen shows up there, then try reinstalling

[solemn rivet]

I think rando2 is broken, mick

I'm having the same issue

[fair rampart]

😄

[solemn rivet]

can't select steel soul

[fair rampart]

greaaat

[solemn rivet]

re-beating THK just to check

[fair rampart]

Me too lol

[solemn rivet]

forgot to instal qol tho

sigh

shieeeeeeeeeeet

[young walrus]

so something about installing this rando version changes your game state

[fair rampart]

Okay I beat him

Oh you already did it yeah ok

[solemn rivet]

nice

[hazy sentinel]

wow didn't know gradow played the game at 0% brightness

[fair rampart]

Well, now it should work?

Yayyyyy

Thats a weird bug

yw modding community, im a bug tester now

[solemn rivet]

veru I pinned ur vid

[flat forum]

Gradow

[hazy sentinel]

why

[solemn rivet]

cus I can

[flat forum]

Come to meme for a sec

[fair rampart]

Oh hey Papers haha

[solemn rivet]

there

[fair rampart]

RANDOMIZER WORKS 😄

[compact sedge]

gee I hope so

[fair rampart]

Thanks for the help Gradow and Mickely

Preciate ur souls

[solemn rivet]

np!

but, yeah, very cool art Papers!

really

[old fog]

oh well it still hasn't downloaded the thing ughhhhhhhh
are you sure this works? 😅

[flat forum]

thanks Gradow

[solemn rivet]

no, thank you!

[flat forum]

doing Ozcaty's pfp now so thing will have to wait, sorry for that

[solemn rivet]

don't worry

you do you

[flat forum]

thanks

by the way, I experimented a little and...
It's hard to replace the spike thingies with the cloak thingies

because the cloak thingies are very wavey

[solemn rivet]

hm...

[flat forum]

thinking of what I can do

[solemn rivet]

maybe we can change the concept?

[flat forum]

I can show you how the thing looks with the cloak's waveys

[solemn rivet]

it doesn't have to be multiple cloaks

[flat forum]

I can also try and use normal cloak

maybe I just need more cloaks

MORE CLOAKS

M O R E C L O A K S

wait I have forgotten to remove something, ignore the white in the back

[solemn rivet]

that's cool!!

[flat forum]

maybe I can add a few more cloaks to hide the black?

[alpine sedge]

is there a way i can find out more about what a mod adds ?

[flat forum]

which mod do you want to know more about?

[hazy sentinel]

have i got the shitpost for you

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xRcL7LJHQbN_lpNYWKYggGA_st0ewnLd1s5X20ukD7s/edit?usp=sharing

[flat forum]

but Veru

[alpine sedge]

well i just want to know about all of them

[flat forum]

is that good

[alpine sedge]

oh thank you

[flat forum]

it just lists things like "adds charms and many other things"

[alpine sedge]

ok cool

[hazy sentinel]

have you tried reading

[flat forum]

sounds difficult

Test

@solemn rivet

[solemn rivet]

Omg papers

Marry me

Plx

[flat forum]

H M M M

I am but the concept of folding papers

how does one marry a concept

[broken nova]

simple, you just prepare the necessary documentation to be registered as married and take it to the appropriate authority

[solemn rivet]

don't underestimate me

[buoyant obsidian]

That charm actually looks pretty cool

[solemn rivet]

753: word on the streets is that you're working on re-adding your charms' graphics to API Lightbringer

[alpine sedge]

i tried downloading the randomixer mod but idk how to get it into my game

[young walrus]

pins

📌

check em

[flat forum]

Mickely

we should make it clearer that pins are important here because

they tend to include important channel specific rules and stuff

art-gallery for example

lemme go talk with the mods and stuff

(or at least try to)

[young walrus]

"Discuss anything about modding Hollow Knight - Check the pins for a tutorial on how to install mods!"

[alpine sedge]

i tried to follow the video until he got to the randomizer.dll which i dont seem to have when i opened the folder

[young walrus]

literally the rules of this channel

[flat forum]

But

make it bold?

I dunno

not enough eye-poking

[young walrus]

people don't read anyways.

making it more bold or something wont help

[flat forum]

Ok

you have a point

[young walrus]

@alpine sedge use the installer in pins

it'll do the work for you

[dusty zinc]

Hey I'm new to modding, what should be the first mod I try out?

[exotic dune]

randomizer or blackmoth imo

[opal hearth]

hey thanks again for all the help yesterday, i got it working, trying out the randomizer.

anybody got a neat starting seed?

[rain cedar]

59

[compact sedge]

yes

[opal hearth]

is that a meme or just 00000059 or something?

[compact sedge]

no 59 is a real number

it's not a meme

[opal hearth]

hm, alright lol

i didn't realize it didn't need to be the full 10 digits.

thanks!

[exotic venture]

@flat forum yo i see that sick charm and i'm thinking
heavy blow, but the nails are facing outwards and also it's heavy broken so it's godlike

could you make that happen i'll give you one whole praise for that

[leaden hedge]

how many praises to good boy points

I can't buy tendies with praises

[exotic venture]

at least 10

[rain cedar]

1 praise = .00074 btc

[exotic venture]

thanks sean

[leaden hedge]

thats around $5

thats atleast one pack of tendies

[exotic venture]

seems worth it

[foggy rose]

Hey Buds, i unstalled the randomizer and enemy randomizer, but when i go to options and click on enemy randomizer, there are no actual options like it says in the readme. this is all i see

https://i.gyazo.com/9801042b11b3492c6d05c45dea9b4d9e.jpg

.https://i.gyazo.com/99f1b6cd7cab7efd5a765252939c5d4c.jpg

[copper nacelle]

update modcommon

[foggy rose]

o

[solemn rivet]

uninstall randomizer

install randomizer2

[copper nacelle]

^

[exotic venture]

uninstall api
downpatch to 1.2.2.1
install shitmodst
play lightbringer

[copper nacelle]

1. ignore mystery
2. stay woke

[exotic venture]

1. ignore lower number
2. play mods made by higher numbers, they are objectively better

[copper nacelle]

you see that's why you follow my instructions first

[exotic venture]

also his instructions are outdated already

mine are of a newer revision

[copper nacelle]

revivison

[exotic venture]

ECH

2am strikes again

[copper nacelle]

if anyone wants to try this that'd be neat

[foggy rose]

my dick is gonna fall off you guys , you were very helpful

thanks dads

[rain cedar]

Are you still using 20 monomod hooks?

[copper nacelle]

yes

meme

[rain cedar]

Wtf merging qol into lightbringer

[copper nacelle]

oh yeah i've got to get rid of that

literally just returns true

[rain cedar]

Should hook ObjectPoolSpawn and use that to spawn grubberfly beams

[solemn rivet]

56: does it have charms

[rain cedar]

Also before/after attack to force always grubberfly

Monomod hooks to this extent is pretty bad

[foggy rose]

last question is there a place that explains the options for the randomizer2 mod? is it somewhere in the pinned cause i couldnt find anything

[copper nacelle]

it has charms but not the assets yet

[rain cedar]

Just ask what option you're confused about

[foggy rose]

restrictions are basically saying what you DONT want randomized correct?

[rain cedar]

No it's the stuff you have to do to beat the game

Leave it all false for normal just dreamers

[foggy rose]

ah

[solemn rivet]

I chose all bosses

smh

200 hour playthrough incoming

[foggy rose]

also, are any of these skip options necessary to tick on?

[solemn rivet]

not really

but if you don't choose any, the pool might not get too randomized

[rain cedar]

Realistically you'll just get claw early

With no skips

[solemn rivet]

I think I screwed up by selecting all bosses

[foggy rose]

should i put this preset on easy normal or hard? im not super casual but im not officionado either

[solemn rivet]

does it have additional logic for making all bosses accessible, Sean?

[rain cedar]

If all items are accessible so is every boss

[solemn rivet]

I mean, does it put claw/wings early or smth?

because I got dash from fireball and claws from legeater

so now I can basically go anywhere I want to

[rain cedar]

Nah you just got lucky

[solemn rivet]

oh ok

I can't do mag's Unn without wings, right?

[rain cedar]

Nah even with tear you need wings or claw

[solemn rivet]

I have claw tho

[rain cedar]

Then you're probably good

[solemn rivet]

oh

[rain cedar]

Actually no

[solemn rivet]

okay, that's one more on the list in case I get stuck

[rain cedar]

I don't think you are

[solemn rivet]

I need cdash, right?

[rain cedar]

I think so, just to get over to the skip spot

[solemn rivet]

yeah

[rain cedar]

But you don't use it for the skip

He did a dash and fireballs

[solemn rivet]

oh

forgot fireball

smh

I have dive but no fireball yet

[copper nacelle]

just dive sideways

ez

[solemn rivet]

that's called a cdash u dungo

[rain cedar]

Dive sideways sounds fun

[solemn rivet]

doesn't even understand the game

[leaden hedge]

ur called cdash

[copper nacelle]

divemoth

all movement is dive

[solemn rivet]

oh god

so that means

in blackmoth all movement is black?

[spare matrix]

What is the charm notch mod?

[copper nacelle]

gives you notches when you'd get them from salubra

[compact sedge]

so you don't have to pay for them

[spare matrix]

Is there a limit to how many notches you can get out of it?

[solemn rivet]

or go there

well, as many as salubra gives you

[compact sedge]

so like 4 I think

[hazy sentinel]

yeah salubra gives infinite notches

[solemn rivet]

if you ask her nicely

[leaden hedge]

cant be infinite

[solemn rivet]

and let her do things to you

[leaden hedge]

number no big enough

[hazy sentinel]

nah you can sacrifice notches to the notch god rankhamun for a 0 geo reward

[spare matrix]

what about infinity squared?

[leaden hedge]

we can't exceed the iq of a richard and mortimer viewer

it breaks the laws of physics

[compact sedge]

infinite notches mod when

[rain cedar]

So yeah 4 notches is about right

[spare matrix]

is there a mod to give you potentially infinite geo?

[hazy sentinel]

it's called playing the game

[compact sedge]

uh vanilla

[solemn rivet]

u can use debug

[copper nacelle]

farm literally anything

[compact sedge]

enemies respawn on benches and things like the ToF can be refought for money

[solemn rivet]

but here in the #archived-modding-development channel we don't condone cheating

[leaden hedge]

i condone cheating

[compact sedge]

no #archived-modding-development is for legit play only

[leaden hedge]

use the save editor

[hazy sentinel]

yo but is there any way i can get my nail damage to 2000

[leaden hedge]

and just give yourself max_int geo

[spare matrix]

Yes

[hazy sentinel]

haven't tried hollow knight but i feel like playing it sometime

[spare matrix]

I think

[rain cedar]

Geo isn't potentially infinite in vanilla though

[compact sedge]

ok so here's the thing idk if potentially infinite geo means, the possibility of having infinite geo through grinding or being able to cheat in infinite geo

[leaden hedge]

bad gem

can't even have 99 septillion geo

[spare matrix]

Well there's the bonfire mod

[compact sedge]

change geo to a long

and override the function

[copper nacelle]

change it to a bigint

[rain cedar]

Store geo as a string so it can be infinite

[spare matrix]

And you can use it to increase nail damage with geo

So if you have lots of geo you can probably get damage to 2k

[solemn rivet]

or just, yk

edit your save

[compact sedge]

gradow I hope the maximum cost of a level in bonfire is less than 9999999 so you can get infinite levels in bonfire.

otherwise ur gonna hit a level cap

[hazy sentinel]

no max cost

[solemn rivet]

well

it technically doesn't matter, Angle

all stats have soft caps

[hazy sentinel]

did you rebalance bonfire yet

[solemn rivet]

so you can put like a million levels into Str

you won't ever do more than a certain amount

yeah, I did, veru

actually did

serious maths with leakzillas yesterday

got some nice curves

[young walrus]

[solemn rivet]

https://ggbm.at/DQgtQ8m7

X axis is STR level

Y axis is "bonfire damage potential/vanilla damage potential"

so, say you're doing a build with 10 STR, 10 DEX and 10 LCK

you're doing 1.2x as much damage as you'd be doing at that point in vanilla

[leaden hedge]

i've figure out the best build

you just put 50 into each stat

[hazy sentinel]

so are spells/nail combined into str and dex now

[leaden hedge]

although for real it seems like going 15 str and just dumping dex/luck 50/50 from their on out

is the best strat

[exotic dune]

with low strength, diminishing returns start at 3 dex and 3 luck

ish

[solemn rivet]

that's not accounting for spells, veru

that still needs balancing

[exotic dune]

spells use a different skill

[solemn rivet]

but should be easier, since they don't crit (for now)

[leaden hedge]

but spells are broken

[solemn rivet]

ye

[leaden hedge]

remove spells

[solemn rivet]

that's why I didn't make them crit from the get-go

[leaden hedge]

instantly fixed

[solemn rivet]

but people like the idea of critting spells

[leaden hedge]

make them anti-crit

[hazy sentinel]

also balanced builds are even worse than in vanilla

[leaden hedge]

5% chance of doing half damage

[hazy sentinel]

90% chance of doing no damage

[solemn rivet]

but, yeah, thanks again leakzillas!

[leaden hedge]

make charms give stats imo

[solemn rivet]

that's actually in my plans, KDT

but I'll need to add extra charms

[hazy sentinel]

congrats on bonfire making it on thesuperforge's video he seems to know his modding amirite fellow gamers

[spare matrix]

how do you re-enable the debug mod menu

[solemn rivet]

f1

[spare matrix]

thanks

i clicked it by accident

[hazy sentinel]

press every key

trial and error always works

[rain cedar]

Are you at 900 yet?

[hazy sentinel]

no

[solemn rivet]

honestly, veru, not even memeing rn, I have no clue why he thought bonfire was a good idea for that list

[rain cedar]

Darn

It's because people like le dark souls xd

[hazy sentinel]

HK is basically 2D dark souls

galaxy brain here

[compact sedge]

Hollow knight is the metroidvania of dark souls

[copper nacelle]

dark souls of metroidvanias

smh

[rain cedar]

Dark souls is the hollow knight of dark souls likes

[fair rampart]

would anyone be willing to help me with the randomizer thing. i have no idea how to get the modding API or anything really it just sounds like a fun thing to do in hollow knight

[compact sedge]

man if only there was a video pinned to the channel explaining how to do that

[young walrus]

or an installer

[fair rampart]

thanks 😃

[solemn rivet]

veru getting all the views

[compact sedge]

Does Initialize run before or after GetVersion?

I guess I could test to find out but I'm lazy and hoping someone can just tell me

[rain cedar]

Why is this even relevant?

Initialize is later btw

Wait no it's not

[compact sedge]

because I am checking if another mod exists by reflection and want to set the version text plus a var somewhere else and it feels hacky to set that other var in the GetVersion function.

[rain cedar]

Just do it all in initialize

[leaden hedge]

obviously the best way to check that is just to check if the dll exists in /mods

[compact sedge]

find / -name "ModName.dll"

[leaden hedge]

what if they rename the dll

[solemn rivet]

too bad for them I guess

[compact sedge]

the only problem with that code

[leaden hedge]

just check if theres 2 dlls in /mods

no one would install a different mod to the one thats compatible

[opal hearth]

hey guys, so uh

i have to ask

i'm playing the rando, and i find salubra selling spell twister. the description is "you know how this is surrounded by mistakes? reminds me of anime."

is this you guys or is this like, team cherry hiddentext?

[hollow pier]

its sean

[rain cedar]

No it's 58

[opal hearth]

ooh alright i was gonna have a giggle at team cherry cuz i wouldn't put it past em.

wow so there's descriptions for everything that isn't normally sold. awesome.

[solemn rivet]

wait til you find best charm

[rain cedar]

Is best charm the one that tells you to play blackmoth?

[solemn rivet]

kek no

there are so many good charms tho

mick's fav charm is also like top 5

[opal hearth]

best charm? hrmrm

[young walrus]

wat

[rain cedar]

Quick focus

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/Resources/language.xml#L8

[opal hearth]

is this all the descriptions?

[rain cedar]

Yeah

[opal hearth]

how do i know which is which lol

[rain cedar]

Idk I don't remember most of the numbers

There's a pastebin in this channel somewhere of them

[compact sedge]

https://pastebin.com/raw/dhapMbat

found it

turns out I just so happened to also need it

[solemn rivet]

<entry sheet="UI" key="RANDOMIZER_CHARM_DESC_11">RIP Flukenest 2017-2018.</entry>

f

[opal hearth]

thanks!

[solemn rivet]

my game keeps crashing on S&Q

any ideas?

[rain cedar]

Don't quit

[solemn rivet]

winners don't quit or smth?

[rain cedar]

Fix whatever is breaking on quit

[solemn rivet]

I mean

[opal hearth]

is charm modifications just heavy blow right now?

[solemn rivet]

I don't even have any mods installed

only the API

[rain cedar]

Fix the api

No lexip it's also gathering swarm and compass but idk if that's on drive

Might just be on github

[copper nacelle]

it isn't

i'll put it on rn

[opal hearth]

ah alright

i'm using crossroads, is that autoupdated with it or will i need to manny install?

[copper nacelle]

just hit redownload mod

put it up

[opal hearth]

ah ok, sweet bees.

[young walrus]

@solemn rivet turn of beta inputs

[solemn rivet]

oh

thanks mick

didn't know that screw up everything

[opal hearth]

hey so installed blackmoth and w randomizer on, got grubberfly elegy as the first charm, turned into this fucked up crazy thing. am i OP now?

[compact sedge]

holy shit you got grubberfly as first charm with both of those mods

that's stupidly lucky

yes grubberfly makes you an immortal unkillable insane god

because it's supposed to be hard to get in vanilla

[opal hearth]

oh shit

[copper nacelle]

you can die if you try really hard

[opal hearth]

sweet. i didn't see that charm listed in the readme so i was a lil confused

boy is it loud tho

i feel like i broke it. i switched screens and now it's just black and nothing is happening

wtf i reloaded the save now i can't dash anymore

[solemn rivet]

wut

also I had the volume set at 10%

[compact sedge]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's weird behavior having grubberfly but not mothwing cloak

[solemn rivet]

omg such a good seed

dream nail was wings

dream shield was wraiths

[opal hearth]

yeaa i restarted the game completely and the grubberfly thing is just broke now, i can't dash at all

oh nvm, i removed the charm, readded it, all is good

[exotic dune]

i had a great seed earlier, i got dash, claw, and dive in crossroads

[solemn rivet]

wtf

[exotic dune]

i always thought that abilities were randomized only among themselves but I guess not

got Dive from VS, Claw from Soul Catcher, and Dash from Sly, I think

[solemn rivet]

we have similar seeds

got dash from VS, claw from legeater and dive from... somwhere

[exotic dune]

probably gonna suck finding everything else, I can't remember where all the charms were I got in the early game lol

what if you randomized mask/vessel pieces as well 🤔

[compact sedge]

what if all the mask pieces are randomized, but only to other mask piece locations

[exotic dune]

biggest think

[urban olive]

to install enemy randomizer do i have to do anything with "scenes.rar?"

[copper nacelle]

no

[urban olive]

ok thx

[urban olive]

erm

is enemyrandomizer not compatible with other mods?

bc i just tried it

and like

used randomizer at the same time

and everything went way too fast

like every input

including in the menu

and hitboxes appeared where there was nothing

and when I died I respawned in the Coloseum with no way to leave

• Coliseum

[urban olive]

i removed the randomizer and the hitboxes are gone but it still speeds up at random

hmm

also i entered the beginning of game aspid challenge room and no enemies spawned so the gates never opened

did i mess up installation?

[copper nacelle]

did you install modcommon

also how the fuck do you change the sprite on a tk2dsprite

[urban olive]

yeah i have modcommon and modapi

[rain cedar]

tksdsprite uses the MeshRenderer on the same object

Which uses the Mesh on the MeshFilter

Good luck with that

[copper nacelle]

pain

[rain cedar]

Just delete it and add a SpriteRenderer tbh

[copper nacelle]

won't that break the tk2dspriteanimators tho

[rain cedar]

Yes

[copper nacelle]

extreme pain

[rain cedar]

Add a normal animator

tk2d sucks ass

[compact sedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445784421241716736/459237166476820482/unknown.png

sean 58 did you write this

[rain cedar]

Yeah you caught me I'm kloogens

[compact sedge]

seems too generous

also implies you paid money for it

[rain cedar]

I pay money for lots of things

[compact sedge]

(but not playmaker... I hope)

I mean your loss if you did

[rain cedar]

I didn't

[compact sedge]

or maybe not maybe TC is right and it's the best tool ever for making games

[rain cedar]

If I had any desire to use playmaker I already have everything but the editor for it just from this game

[compact sedge]

I remember growing up on an Emac, there was a free mac "game engine" if you can call it that called quartz composer that looks identical to playmaker but it is free and has existed since like I had a computer.

so stupidly enough I actually know how to make graphical fsms

[rain cedar]

I imagine it's not much harder than drag and drop

[compact sedge]

pretty much

[dusky lion]

Going with a yes

[compact sedge]

except it's kinda gross

and you have to drag returns (and vars that a fsm state has) to arguments by hand

and like that's stupid

def worse than coding by hand

so like if you wanna do Sprite.color = c
you'd have to drag c.r, c.g, c.b, and c.a to your Sprite color r, g, b, a

[rain cedar]

Sounds fun

[copper nacelle]

i did it

kinda

idk how to describe what i've done

[rain cedar]

Yeah?

[copper nacelle]

changed the tk2dsprite

except it's weird now

oh wait i might be dumb

i think if i cut this image it'll work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKd35NRb4k&feature=youtu.be

from this

[rain cedar]

// whomst

[copper nacelle]

i changed the png file cause i didn't want to add another resource cause editing .csproj takes 20 seconds

and it won't recompile it unless i change the code

therefore