and not with minimal effort
#archived-modding-development
young walrus
okay, it probably wasn't with minimal effort
but it just made a mess for us when it could have been SOOOO cool
solemn rivet
yeah
omg imagine a mod showcase, showing mods from back when KZ's boss rush was a thing
and how the mods are now
that would be cool
young walrus
that would be sick
I should make an updated "how to install mods" video honestly
include all the different methods
solemn rivet
showing Lightbringer and how it's grown since back when it was first released
opal hearth
i would love that mickely. cuz i'm still having difficulty and about to give up in favor of dinner.
copper nacelle
using an installer?
young walrus
could just do it manually
solemn rivet
I think that was with crossroads, 56
young walrus
shouldn't get an error doing that
exotic dune
I think there's an error in your math gradow, bc there's no fucking way increasing your crit% by 5% should multiply your damage a kajillionfold
young walrus
I dunno when I'd make that video though tbh
I have no time for like the next 3 weeks
solemn rivet
maybe there is, I didn't check it thoroughly
opal hearth
i just tried crossroads, loaded up HK, and it crashed almost immediately
copper nacelle
nice
exotic dune
looks like you're putting the crit% as a whole number instead of hundredths of a number? if that makes any sense
ie 5% is put in as 5 and not 0.05 like it should be
opal hearth
the modinstaller was the one w the weird "device is not ready" error
young walrus
did you install all the dependencies for what you want?
crossroads doesn't auto install like Gradow's does
if you're doing anything on the current patch, you'll need ModCommon and the API
and then whatever mod you want
solemn rivet
yeah, that was it, Leakzillas
opal hearth
yeah, i installed those both.
solemn rivet
precisely that
vestal hawk
been lurking the server since the original release of the game and just want to say thanks for the work you guys have done for the mods. They've added a lot of fun hours on to the game for me.
opal hearth
actually, those were the only two i installed..
opal hearth
none of em yet. i plan to w randomizer, but i figured i'd throw the API and modcommon first just to make sure it worked up to that point.
young walrus
I mean.... it should
hollow pier
2 modders who cant math
young walrus
those two alone shouldn't just crash the game
I'd almost just do it manually at this point. verify steam file integrity
download what you want
then drag and drop
opal hearth
ah yeah i'm on beta. good call.
opal hearth
aand now steam seems to think i have no internet connection. what a day.
thanks, i'll try it again once i get this sorted out
young walrus
๐
opal hearth
i assume it's cool to pop in for help if things get all fucky again?
opal hearth
cool beans, thanks guys~
solemn rivet
also, modinstaller complaining about driver not ready is somewhat "expected"
but you should be able to use it even after that message
opal hearth
on that one, i hit continue, and then it threw another error "this path is not a legal form"
solemn rivet
it checks each device letter for the game's default install path
oh
hm...
I need to add a check for that then
copper nacelle
aren't you using double backslashes anyways
opal hearth
i keep my windows on a separate partition to where i install pretty much anything else, could that have something to do with it?
so like, C is windows, D is FL/cubase and whatever music/art i make, E is everything else.
opal hearth
giggity
fair rampart
yo im havein fun wit des mods XD
solemn rivet
what's happening is it's finding a device letter which is somehow "not ready"
dunno what that even means
opal hearth
if you want, i can copypaste the details of both errors over to you, if that'll help.
hollow pier
u
copper nacelle
u
hollow pier
v
fair rampart
i'm having fun with these mods there u happy
solemn rivet
not sure if it'll help, but sure
copper nacelle
yes
hollow pier
hi having fun with these mods there u happy
fair rampart
(:
opal hearth
oh what a weird place i have joined
solemn rivet
heh
exotic dune
i think there's smth wrong with the dex calculation as well but idk what it is
solemn rivet
yeah
now that I think of it, it's definitely wrong
brb
ok
that was the quickest brb ever
new formula:
(Bonfire Nail Damage)/(Vanilla Nail Damage) * (1 + (Crit%) * (Crit Damage))
k, that works better
will update the link, brb
atomic thunder
copper nacelle
try the other one
quartz dagger
how do i get the boss rush mod in the 1.3.3.7?
hollow pier
you dont
copper nacelle
you feel depressed and/or downpatch
quartz dagger
i can't?
exotic dune
it's not updated
exotic dune
gotta wait until gng early 2018
compact sedge
is x my level
solemn rivet
ehh
exotic dune
looks much more reasonable to me
the nail growth you get from upgrades is supposed to be slower than vanilla right
compact sedge
ok so my actual level is not given by the point
solemn rivet
the idea is to counter-balance the crits, Leakzillas
the point is just so you can play around with your current STR/DEX/LCK and see where it lands you
exotic dune
bc in that case more upgrades making it go down on the graph is kind of unintuitive even tho it's correct
solemn rivet
yeah, I had the same reaction
but it makes sense
it's not that more upgrades reduces nail damage
exotic dune
bc you're comparing your damage to enemy hp but orange is the graph of your damage as a % of vanilla
compact sedge
why is dex so jumpy
copper nacelle
play bonfire with redwing and level up all ur stats in the worst way possible
solemn rivet
I can remove all of the "floor" functions if you'd like to see
copper nacelle
how to make redwing difficult ez
compact sedge
yeah well im making redwing scale off nail upgrades so yeah that'd probably work
it's not impacted by str
solemn rivet
yeah
compact sedge
I'd add bonfire integration to it but idk I'm lazy and don't think the two fit too well together
eternal walrus
does the "crossroads" mod installer still work?
rigid stag
solemn rivet
u bothered me?
copper nacelle
@buoyant obsidian did you do the MoP yellow thing by just changing the MoP asset
also is this bloodlust
solemn rivet
ok, got a WAY better curve for bonfire
buoyant obsidian
Bloodlust is just spriteflash or whatever I use for like mana regen
and I change Mark of Pride's color through texture sheet editing
solemn rivet
@compact sedge @exotic dune https://ggbm.at/YQYS6nrp
this makes way more sense
X axis is only Strength levels now
the orange curve is "Bonfire Nail Damage/Bonfire Enemy HP" normalized by Vanilla Nail Damage
sharp crypt
Does anyone know if there's a modding api version compatible with 1.3.3.7 or do I have to back date to get it working?
exotic dune
ach, that's better, ty
young walrus
1337 isn't live yet yeah?
solemn rivet
the horizontal line at 1 is "Vanilla Nail Damage/Bonfire Enemy HP" normalized by Vanilla Nail Damage
so you want to stay above that line
sharp crypt
might be b/c I have beta enabled ๐
young walrus
yeah. so disable that
porting mods for beta builds is a waste of time until they're live
so get off beta.... profit
solemn rivet
so this graph gives me ideas to make bonfire more balanced
I had to adjust the functions
because they were always underneath the line
exotic dune
and the places where your damage snaps down are when enemy hp increases? i thought that was gradual
solemn rivet
yeah, I still have to "fix" those gaps
but the idea is that it's happening because of rounding
I'll remove all floors and see what happens
exotic dune
yeah you might be rounding to 1 (nearest 100%) instead of 0.01 (nearest 1%)
idk how you'd fix that in this
compact sedge
it feels like dex should be smoother than it is too since rounding attack speed seems kinda silly too
like ofc crit dmg will round but only to the nearest int I assume
solemn rivet
yeah, it's cause of the flooring issues
sharp crypt
working like a charm now ๐ thanks forgot I even had beta on
exotic dune
btw with bonfire + enemy HP bar, the hp bars stay after the enemy is killed
https://i.imgur.com/1AGbDq5.png
solemn rivet
that's weird, Leakzillas
can you send me your modlog.txt?
oh, yeah, that doesn't account for attack speed
exotic dune
i don't seem to have one of those, unless it's in a weird place
ach, it's in a weird place
solemn rivet
saves
exotic dune
1m
solemn rivet
k
exotic dune
it's 55 thousand lines long..
compact sedge
jesus gradow are you logging every frame
exotic dune
removed all the spam
copper nacelle
[INFO]:[BonfireMod] - Checking inventory open
[INFO]:Inventory object Inventory (UnityEngine.GameObject)
[INFO]:Inventory control fsm Inventory (PlayMakerFSM)
[INFO]:Inventory open False
solemn rivet
oops
copper nacelle
slightly large amount of those
solemn rivet
[INFO]:Disabling enemy Crawler Fixed
[INFO]:Disabled enemy Crawler Fixed
[INFO]:Destroying enemy Crawler Fixed
[INFO]:Destroyed enemy Crawler Fixed```the important part is preserved
huh
only some bars got destroyed
[INFO]:Disabled enemy Buzzer 1
[INFO]:Destroying enemy New Game Object
[INFO]:Destroyed enemy New Game Object```that's quitting the game stuff, i think, it disables them all then destroys them all in the same order
solemn rivet
it's got something to do with how bonfire changes HP
nah, that happens whenever you kill an enemy
it gets disabled, then destroyed, then it spawns an empty object as placeholder for the bar to finish draining, then destroys that as well
but for some reason, it's not destroying the placeholders
exotic dune
i only killed the one enemy tho
so why does it destroy two placeholders when i quit the game ๐ค
exotic dune
turned on a fresh save file i already had, killed the first crawlid, and quit the game
solemn rivet
maybe the buzzer got squished by a falling rock
also, if you only killed one enemy, how come did you have multiple HP bars lingering?
exotic dune
oh, that's a different run
i had randomizer going so i turned it off so there's no randomizer junk in the log
in that screenie i killed both of them yeah
exotic dune
afaik yes, all the trash ones at least
false knight's does as well but that probably has nothing to do with bonfire
solemn rivet
have you tried it without bonfire?
exotic dune
i've been using it in my normal run and it's been working fine
exotic dune
that's good
(also, one of False Knight's health bars linger, but that's probably bc he has two of them)
solemn rivet
yeah, that's because of how weirdly he behaves tbh
you can see that the body already has full HP as soon as you hit the head
it's so weird
lol
I found the issue
buoyant obsidian
he has effectively infinite HP if you quickslash his ass
solemn rivet
^
exotic dune
good thing you don't fight more than two of false knight lol
solemn rivet
if (hm.hp <= 5)
{
hm.hp = 1;
}```bonfire has this line
because even with hp scaling I don't want one-shot enemies (such as vengeflies spawn) to scale as well
or bees
but every time you kill an enemy with EnemyHPBars, the mod creates an empty game object with 0 HP and lets it's hpbar drain up to its HP value
but
bonfire says that these empty objects now have 1 HP
so the bar never fully drains
kek
exotic dune
never go full sisyphus lol
solemn rivet
also, since I'm fixing this
I'll also add the fixes I made to make that graph look nicer
exotic dune
ty for the help lol
solemn rivet
sharp crypt
there's no up to date version of glass soul right? D:
hollow pier
but there are the gimmicks with mask shards and stuff
copper nacelle
sharp crypt
you sir are a saint 
urban olive
how do you toggle the debug mod menu?
copper nacelle
f1
eternal walrus
is there any version of boss rush that still works?
eternal walrus
how
compact sedge
is that the wrong command
copper nacelle
that only works in sr channels
compact sedge
darn
solemn rivet
sadly despite of the few people that came here from the vid, we didn't get any new modding friends
floral furnace
this is a dumb question but is there anyway to start a couroutine from Class1 extended by Mod once you use AddComponent in it to add the Class2 extended by Monobehaviour, whereas Class2 contains the coroutine?
compact sedge
no but you can start the coroutine from class2
I guess if the coroutine is static, idk if that's possible but it probably shoudn't be
floral furnace
hmm, alrighty then thanks
compact sedge
I still don't know what you're trying to do
why not just put the function that starts the coroutine inside class2?
floral furnace
well i need the FocusCostHook to check if the player has started focusing
compact sedge
yeah, you can put that in the monobehavior
just add the hook in the Start() function of that monobehavior
floral furnace
ohhh so i could just do that
compact sedge
example:
public void Start()
{
StartCoroutine(memeRoutine());
ModHooks.Instance.FocusCostHook += memeFunction;
}
or whatever else you want
floral furnace
tyvm
urban olive
Non coding question: how do I modify Mask Shards in the debug mod? Also, how would I clone enemies? Tysm
compact sedge
hey person who makes video on top 5 mods. stop making up BS about what the debug mod can do.
also uh idk there's like a bunch of options
anyway just look in the top right for all the stuff you can config and also the controls menu
solemn rivet
you cannot clone enemies
urban olive
thx
solemn rivet
AA did you see the response video?
compact sedge
oh shit he posted a picture from the discord so he's here reading all the crap I'm saying
solemn rivet
yup
solemn rivet
burn
solemn rivet
can I sub
compact sedge
wtf I have 21 subs why
urban olive
ok this is why i was confused
hollow pier
why is the creator studio in light theme reeeee
solemn rivet
yeah
urban olive
i couldnt find a lot of those features weirdly
hollow pier
why do you use light theme reeeee
young walrus
They're all top right or have hotkeys you can set
urban olive
even the "clone or delete any enemy" one? i couldnt find that anywhere
young walrus
"kill all enemies" is a thing
solemn rivet
@hollow pier
young walrus
Cloning enemies could refer to boss respawns
compact sedge
wait why are there non-existent features in the readme
is it because nobody reads it anyway
solemn rivet
I'm too busy playing gacha games to be useful
solemn rivet
you can't clone enemies, sorry
solemn rivet
directly, editing the assembly
compact sedge
I'd say not easily but there's a lot of tools that exist that make it fairly doable if you know coding.
solemn rivet
or indirectly, using a modified assembly which lets us do things during runtime
urban olive
so probably not a great way to learn to code huh
solemn rivet
(that's why it sucks)
urban olive
i was about to check that one out
compact sedge
would recommend
urban olive
what's the program you guys use to edit the dll?
solemn rivet
dnspy
urban olive
what way do you guys use now?
compact sedge
dnspy is how you can edit it and how you can dump it to learn about how the game works
Mostly visual studio
solemn rivet
VS/Rider
urban olive
are those free or paid?
solemn rivet
$$$
urban olive
ahhh
solemn rivet
free
urban olive
microsoft programs
solemn rivet
well
urban olive
do i just get the community version of it then?
urban olive
ok
compact sedge
Rider's free if you have a student email and way too much otherwise
VS is "free" but you do need a MS account
urban olive
if i can even figure out how to change an enemy's hp i'll be happy with myself lol
solemn rivet
that's actually pretty easy after lifeblood
compact sedge
it wasn't too hard before
solemn rivet
well, yeah
compact sedge
but only thanks to all the awesome FSM tools we have
solemn rivet
but it was more "obscure"
you had to know where to look
now it's just a component
urban olive
what's FSM?
solemn rivet
fuckin shit m8
compact sedge
yeah you probably cannot figure out how to do it without stealing code.
urban olive
for a second i read "SFM" like the tf2 animations lol
compact sedge
flying spaghetticode meme
solemn rivet
it's... Something
don't worry about it for now
I'm serious, if you start worrying about FSMs now... Oh boy...
solemn rivet
^
solemn rivet
"what are FSMs?" the bane of my existence
urban olive
and be able to look at a chunk of code and know what it applies to
oof
i'll wait on that then
so to start would i just make a copy of the vanilla API and open it with VS?
*vanilla DLL
urban olive
how do I do that?
solemn rivet
well, when running the installer it should let you select which packs to install
solemn rivet
I think that's what they're called, I'm not sure
urban olive
ok
solemn rivet
I guess so...?
urban olive
ok
solemn rivet
ye
compact sedge
in his defense wtf is up with the readme for debugmod?
solemn rivet
ye
tardy raft
rain cedar
I don't even remember what I put in the debug readme
urban olive
@tardy raft if u didnt already find it it's pinned in this channel
how do i open the games assembly with VS?
rain cedar
It looks fine wtf
compact sedge
oh nvm
lunar knot
Is there a way to "summon" enemies/bosses with the debug mod?
compact sedge
I saw it in yours
urban olive
oops
rain cedar
Hex editor lmao
urban olive
i have no idea so im just kind of doing my best
solemn rivet
if you want to look at the game's assembly, use dnspy
urban olive
please help me
solemn rivet
it's in the pins
solemn rivet
VS is for making mods
urban olive
oh ok
solemn rivet
we don't mess with the assembly anymore
solemn rivet
we use VS to make our own code
solemn rivet
and we use our own assembly to load that code into the game
we don't
basically we replace the game's assembly with another assembly that's like "I'm gonna load whatever dlls are in this folder"
and so we put our mods in a specific folder
so they get loaded
urban olive
ahh makes sense
so then the mod API
has like the normal games code
- it tells it to open the mod code?
urban olive
hmm ok
compact sedge
fwiw that's what like every mod api does
solemn rivet
yeah
urban olive
gotcha
compact sedge
forge mod loader and obse for example literally just scan a folder for dlls and load them all
urban olive
wait so if the mod has no original code
how do you change/reference things in the original code?
for example if i wanted to change the false knights hp from value X to Y how would i do that in my own dll?
compact sedge
for one you have hooks
for two you can access game objects used in game
and these game objects have values like health
solemn rivet
is there a simple mod example we can show them?
urban olive
i'd appreciate that
i'll also try downloading a mod that changes enemies stats and look at that
compact sedge
there's some example mods but they all are dealing with the knight and not enemies
solemn rivet
well, for me I found it easier to start just opening the assembly and staring at the code for some time
compact sedge
I need to go through and comment my code so I can make it more useful to people.
solemn rivet
trying to figure out how it all wove together
urban olive
even dealing with the knight is fine
ok
i'll check out the debug one
and open it in VS
solemn rivet
debug is the hardest one
urban olive
can i just select its DLL?
solemn rivet
don't
urban olive
i'll try the randomizer then
solemn rivet
I know
urban olive
i have that one too
compact sedge
so in VS you wanna make a NEW library, and choose .net 3.5 for it
solemn rivet
I don't think I ever pushed it
compact sedge
urban olive
ok
compact sedge
56 makes fun of me for publishing mods on github/lab before they're done but the joke's on him because I haven't lost any code when I do tha
solemn rivet
it was a mod I made fore a friend
urban olive
is a new library similar to a new project?
solemn rivet
literally of no general use for most people
urban olive
or is there a different way to do that
solemn rivet
it was a mod that set the Knight's HP to 1 and enabled fotf, if it was equipped
that's it
because if you set the knight's HP to 1, it won't activate fury
because of fsms
compact sedge
can you activate fury without setting the knight to 1 hp
solemn rivet
it was a simple enough mod
compact sedge
then
urban olive
it should be a WPF app right
solemn rivet
no
solemn rivet
.net class library
urban olive
which one then
compact sedge
.net class library. .net version 3.5
urban olive
ok
lunar knot
Does anyone know if it is possible to "summon" enemies or bosses with the Debug Mod?
solemn rivet
just select that, Lock
urban olive
kk
solemn rivet
you can change the .net version later
solemn rivet
no
uhh
hm...
what's a simple example?
oh
please do check the example mods above
urban olive
yeah but how do i open them?
solemn rivet
urban olive
so what example mod 1 does is make it so every four hits the knight's nail damage doubles?
and then reverts?
if i read it right
urban olive
ok
so with the " _tempNailDamage = PlayerData.instance.nailDamage"
Does PlayerData.instance.nailDamage refer to an actual statistic in the base game's code?
compact sedge
careful unzipping dnspy btw it will explode into whatever dir you extract it to
solemn rivet
^
urban olive
not yet i'll get on that now
so if visual studio makes the mods what do you use dnspy for?
solemn rivet
to know that PlayerData.instance.nailDamage is a thing, for instance
how would you know that variable exists in the first place? And if you did, how would you know where to find it?
compact sedge
dnSpy is a useless tool for FSMs and gameobjects but a great tool for variables like that. For example just earlier today I used it to find the audio volume variable.
At first it will help you learn how the game works, but eventually it will become just another tool in your modder toolbox.
urban olive
ok
solemn rivet
yeah
at first, I recommend you getting used to at least the basic classes for the game
and their methods
I'd say PlayerData, GameManager and HeroController
also the new HealthManager class is pretty important
solemn rivet
yup
solemn rivet
bingo
lunar knot
Does anyone know if it is possible to "summon" enemies or bosses with the Debug Mod?
young walrus
It's not
compact sedge
copy KDT's build of mop, longnail, dashmaster?
idk
you have the second best score on it right now
rain cedar
Grubsong unn quick focus deep focus
compact sedge
what could go wrong
flat forum
wait you beat my 800?
compact sedge
no kdt did
flat forum
ah
compact sedge
not by much though
flat forum
Oh
ok
yeah, I have a strategy
works most of the time
until I start getting stupid spike formations
like, spikes right below me (while's I'm double jumping), but then spikes diverge to the left and right. So, dodging them killed me
honestly if spikes were just straight up this would have been much clearer and easier
flat forum
so, how do I make the ModLog appear on screen?
compact sedge
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
compact sedge
woah there's global settings for Modding API
rain cedar
Yeah
rain cedar
It's a bit of an oversight in how default values work
It doesn't actually save the default value, it just returns it every time you ask for it
Also gotta say that return line is awful
Being succinct isn't always better
compact sedge
why? I'm cool with my shit out in the public. I don't have shame when y'all tell me my code is shit and in fact I use that to improve my code. Besides 99% of people don't even care about my code so whatever.
rain cedar
Wow 1% that's still 76 million people who care
compact sedge
1% of people who know about my code which is more like 1 person
copper nacelle
wtf 58
copper nacelle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452698132157956107/458875117121044491/unknown.png into https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452698132157956107/458885311418728458/unknown.png
compact sedge
56 refactor all my code pls
copper nacelle
i really wanna commit this to see how many lines i've deleted
but i also need to finish it first
every single instance of grubberflybeam = can be turned into a spawnbeam
compact sedge
public repo imo
copper nacelle
after i finish the refactoring i will
compact sedge
ok well I'm going to sleep so ping me tomorrow when Lightbringer is out on API and I'm gonna try it (and see how much it breaks with blackmoth and redwing)
vagrant leaf
Big lore
copper nacelle
@vagrant leaf did ur message die
vagrant leaf
What
copper nacelle
there was a message above big lore
copper nacelle
o
urban olive
how do i actually use dnspy?
i clicked on its .sln and opened it with VS
but i'm kinda confused
rain cedar
You just drag the dll into it
rain cedar
You don't open dlls with vs
urban olive
should i not have opened dnspy with VS either then?
completely new if that wasn't obv
rain cedar
Oh you downloaded the source
rain cedar
rain cedar
You can select more stuff in the sidebar
urban olive
ok
this is kind of a basic question, but how does the "void" thing work?
does it just null out what's written on that line?
rain cedar
If I'm understanding you right, you mean the void return type on functions?
It means the function returns no value
urban olive
yes that's what I mean
so not returning a value means that nothing comes as a result of that line?
rain cedar
No not at all, it just means the function returns nothing back to the caller after execution
And it's not just that line, the function body is the entire thing after the line enclosed in curly brackets
urban olive
so the caller is the function before the void function then?
urban olive
OH
rain cedar
Then used by
urban olive
damn like everything uses this
so then
when you make a void function
you're basically setting up a sequence of things that will happen wheneve the void function is triggered somewhere else?
and you name the voids to separate them?
rain cedar
That's just describing functions in general
urban olive
shit
i guess i'm struggling to understand how voids differ then
is it just that voids can be used elsewhere?
rain cedar
Every function has a return type like void, bool, int, etc
void just means nothing
bool is true/false
int is an integer
urban olive
ok i'm following so far
steel wadi
how do you get vengeful spirit in randomizer?
urban olive
it's random
rain cedar
Well you go to wherever it is and pick it up
urban olive
you'll find it eventually but it's different each time
if you go to where normal VS is youll either get a charm or spell
it most likely wont be VS
steel wadi
ok thanks
urban olive
you might find these helpful
so what does the integer being returned actually do?
it's different from, for example, right being pressed and moving right correct
the "moving right" isn't being returned
rain cedar
Here's a small example:
int func()
{
return 5;
}
void main()
{
int num = func(); //num now equals 5
}```so the void function here only works because you already set up the int function right?
rain cedar
In a way I suppose, but not really
It uses the integer function is all
To get the number 5
urban olive
ok
int func()
{
return 7;
}
void main()
{
int num = func();
}
so if you did it like that
num would equal 7 now
just so i get the logic of it
rain cedar
Yes
urban olive
ok
so then when the number is returned to the caller function, what actually results from that?
rain cedar
It really depends on what other code is there
But generally something like this would either be returning information about what the function did or the result of some calculation
urban olive
ok
urban olive
how do private and public voids differ?
rain cedar
public: Can be accessed from outside the class
private: Can only be accessed from within the class
protected: Can be accessed both from in the class and from classes that inherit from the class
internal: Public only within this class library
urban olive
classes that inherit are subclasses right?
rain cedar
Yes
rain cedar
The dll you compile to
dusky lion
Oh my god
I don't know why but Sean your nickname finally registered with me and it made me laugh very hard
urban olive
ok so you can't reference other DLLs with internal then?
dusky lion
Nope internals are purely Class Library specific
rain cedar
Maybe you can get them with reflection
urban olive
ok cool
rain cedar
Haven't tried
urban olive
as a broad example, how would you change the knight's location? for example, have him move right? regardless of animation or anything, just changing his x coord
like what would that involve
rain cedar
That's more of a Unity question
rain cedar
You need to change the position on the object's transform
urban olive
so when it says "unity" it's referencing unity script then?
rain cedar
Which is accessed (in this case) via HeroController.instance.gameObject.transform
No there's no unityscript here
That's essentially javascript and it's garbage
rain cedar
Visual studio can do a lot
dusky lion
Yes Visual Studio is C#
rain cedar
But only C# is relevant here
trail dove
And im back again for more tech support. Im trying to set up randomiser on another pc; install api, then modcommon, then randomiser. Booting the game, everything is fine, its loaded the mod and everything according to the corner, but when i select a save slot, the randomiser screen doesnt come up, it just goes straight into the game. Any idea what Iโm forgetting?
dusky lion
Yeah it can do quite a lot of things but C# is the one used here
rain cedar
Kill hollow knight
You don't have the mode select unlocked
Need that for randomizer
rain cedar
If you don't have a save for that I can send one
trail dove
Thatd be awesome, thanks
rain cedar
This one should be good
trail dove
Im on discord on my phone though
urban olive
do you have any recommended C# tutorials? want to get some basic education before i ask any more questions
rain cedar
No sorry I never really used any
rain cedar
Yeah pretty much but not starting with C#
urban olive
oh ok
rain cedar
I've been programming for a long time
urban olive
what'd you start with?
rain cedar
Ok sounds good
noble trout
Poor superforge
foggy rose
hey the enemy randomizer thing isnt owrking for me, its saying Failed to load check modlog. the regular randomizer is working fine, is there some stupid minor thing im missing?
dusky lion
According to 56 using var over variable is gay but why so?
Do you have ModCommon ryo?
dusky lion
foggy rose
well that was easy
dusky lion
Replace the preexisting Assembly-CSharp
foggy rose
thanks daddy
foggy rose
ok
dusky lion
And when you add the new one make sure it is purely Assembly-CSharp.dll and not like Assembly-CSharp (1).dll
foggy rose
you got it boss. i thought i already replaced that when i used the charm randomizer mod
i just replaced the assembly csharp with the file you gave me and made my game explode. the other file works fine with the other mod so idk if im just retarded or unlucky
https://i.gyazo.com/a518eb00fb1cdc90fc9e33aa03502d4d.jpg
this is what im seeing
foggy rose
i even tried using the auto installer program in the pinned messages
as well as the manual install
foggy rose
thats the cutest looking radiance ive ever seen btw
foggy rose
is this persons work on deviant art or anything like that?
id like to se emore
also that appears to have wokred perfectly
dusky lion
No but he posted them most in a server
foggy rose
you are a saint
dusky lion
No problem
To be honest any other person here would shred you for asking how to install the mods
dusky lion
Doesn't tell you that it requires ModCommon w h i c h i t s h o u l d so it's a common mistake
foggy rose
i read the readme and it said it required that modcommon thing
dusky lion
Oh then I'm stupid
foggy rose
but i didnt know where to find it
dusky lion
And or have not used the current version
In pinned
The 3rd pin is a list of all the mods on the server including ModCommon
Also
The creator of my pfp doesn't have a Deviantart (as far as I know) but he dumped all of his and they were pinned in another server
I'll DM the invite for you
But first
Have you finished the game?
dusky lion
Okay good
foggy rose
which is why i wanted to play with the mods
dusky lion
I have a question for all you epik k modders
Do you guys hate when people use var rather than variable?
56 says that everyone does here and I do not understand why
copper nacelle
imo var x = 10; makes me want to die
int x = 10; does not
and it's nearly 7am so gn
old fog
hey, i have the lightbringer mod... but when i get to take the glass soul charm at the beginnign my game crashes and i cant play anyomere. does anyone know ho to resolve this?
exotic venture
woah fuck
i just ruined this guy's day 
also @old fog, what version of the game are you on?
lightbringer only works on 1.2.2.1
exotic venture
so you downpatched?
exotic venture
like, you used a tool to get the clean 1.2.2.1 right?
did you check if that worked?
exotic venture
so you checked if the game worked on vanilla 1.2.2.1?
old fog
oh wait a sec then
exotic venture
๐ค
exotic venture
you were using the 1.3.1.5 patch i think
if you didn't use a tool to downpatch
lightbringer doesn't work on 1.3.1.5
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/yl0m6 here is a guide on how to downpatch your game
old fog
oh ok, thanks
exotic venture
if you did do it successfully then you should've seen this
there is an update for lightbringer coming maybe soonish but you gotta work around the version to make it work 
so you get the 1.2.2.1 patch
check if that works
then you install lightbringer
and tell me how you did! 
old fog
ok, but can you please tell me how to patch down the game pls? 
because i didn't really get it ๐
Please?
exotic venture
uh
did you read the guide
open up the run menu with the windows key + r
type in steam://nav/console
and then type in 1.2.2.1: download_depot 367520 367521 648876203478229944
or just download_depot 367520 367521 648876203478229944
because you don't need the 1.2.2.1
attached to it 
you then go to the directory the steam client gives you
make a copy of your current hollow knight folder
fair rampart
I wanna know how to down patch to
exotic venture
and paste the rest in there
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/yl0m6 if you read carefully enough this guide is all you need
fair rampart
is the a down patch to play multyplayer?
fair rampart
like a mod
fair rampart
well is there even a pultiplayer?
exotic venture
no
exotic venture
do you even know what you are doing
exotic venture
yeah i'm not gonna help you with that
exotic venture
current patch is 1.3.1.5
fair rampart
uuh okie thx
exotic venture
made a comment to the video including hk discord plug because haha yes
young walrus
Holy shit so many questions over night
rain cedar
Same
young walrus
Do we make a separate channel for modding help?
Cuz this one has like 2 purposes now. And the actual modding part is getting drowned out in "help me"
solemn rivet
modding-troubleshooting and modding
leaden hedge
modding and modding-2-electric-boogaloo
solemn rivet
modding and pins
exotic venture
modding and modding-for-dummies
compact sedge
I'm half tempted, but I don't know how feasable it would be, to start maintaining a public build of the modding API for the beta branch. So long as the beta branch continues to be on the same primary patch level (AKA lifeblood) as the main one. Would y'all mind if I did this?
fair rampart
Is there any instructions ANYWHERE on how to use the debug mod? I really cant believe its so hard to find.
compact sedge
yes in the mod itself
there's a thing that shows you all your keybindings and what they do
fair rampart
wow im an idiot idk how i didnt see the file. lmao
rose robin
Where can I find the bonfire mod?
leaden hedge
pins
fair rampart
i got the teacher only one i missed one xD
leaden hedge
afaik building the api is just a script you run so it shouldn't be that hard to keep maintained for beta patch
unless something actually changes
although harmony/monomod hooks may not work good
wintry copper
I want to see a mod that takes all the charms.charm notches and shop mask/soul upgrades and puts them into the world
young walrus
cool
leaden hedge
be the change you want to see in the world
wintry copper
I COULD do it myself but then I dont get the sense of discovery
young walrus
well nobody else is going to make it
leaden hedge
could you?
leaden hedge
adding item drops is a pretty complicated mod