i have, between each and every attepted install of a mod
#archived-modding-development
trail dove
exotic venture
all right
then leave lightbringer behind and just install the api
check if that works without mods first
then get randomizer and modcommon
exotic venture
modcommon is required to make randomizer work
trail dove
just the weird empty title screen, after the cherry loge and etc
*logo
JUST the api
trail dove
yep, it works perfectly after a verify
exotic venture
what OS are you on?
trail dove
windows
trail dove
yep
exotic venture
you're not on the beta patch or anything?
trail dove
didnt even know there was one
exotic venture
well... then i guess you could try getting the modding api again
and delete the Mods folder
since if it is something in there that screws it up then that's the problem
trail dove
derp
thats probably it
i forgot to delete that folder, and it had a mod or two in there
exotic venture
if you got both bonfire and randomizer in there
yeah of course shit is gonna break
trail dove
lemme try api again, ACTUALLY on its own
trail dove
alright, api is working now, i just missed the obvious
solemn rivet
Now we have two mistery
trail dove
dont worry, im generally gonna lurk
i just needed help sorting through my own mistakes. ๐
exotic venture
there's been multiple here actually
thankfully there is only one real, OG mystery 
solemn rivet
I'm gonna change my nick to Whodunnit
trail dove
so, couple more minor questions: what exactly does PlayerDataTracker do (i assume its stat tracking, but how do you view it? what does it detail? it doesnt have a readme), and can i get a bit of specifics on Blackmoth?
solemn rivet
PDT is for streaming randomizer
Blackmoth is dash mod
Nail does (almost) no damage, but you can dash from the start
And all charms that used to augment the nail, now augment your dash
With a couple other extras
trail dove
so is the dash kinda similar to the spiked shadow dash then?
solemn rivet
It's the shadow dash, yes
trail dove
sounds interesting. does the mod work with bonfire at all, or is that hoping for too much? ๐
solemn rivet
It does
But they don't synergize
I haven't got around to implementing that yet
:effort:
We really need an :effort: emote btw
trail dove
fair enough, haha
solemn rivet
Me and 56 would use the heck out of it
Also, don't have high expectations for bonfire
It's meme
The idea is neat
But you quickly realize how frail it is
exotic venture
well if you got a hk alternative for :effort: i could totally try to get it added
pretty sure it would have application outside of this channel too :v
solemn rivet
I'll think about it
trail dove
hmm, ill keep that in mind
oh, what are the odds of lightbringer getting an update at some point? would it be worth it to get my hands on an older version of the game to try it, or nah?
young walrus
it might be updated at some point. but if you want to play it, you can just downpatch to a previous version.
should take you 20 minutes or so to downpatch
trail dove
how do i do that?
solemn rivet
Lightbringer is petty much updated... 56 and 753 just haven't finished adding custom text and graphics
But if you don't care about those, you could ask them nicely
trail dove
its the gameplay that matters, fonts and graphics are just minor polish. :)
should i pm them, or just @ them?
fair rampart
is lightbringer finally uptodate?
fair rampart
oh okay, thanks x)
orchid talon
hai i am running bonfire mod with the crossroads and nothing else suddenly after a level up all the hp of enemies doubled?
is that a thing there is supposed to happen?
hollow pier
mod scales enemy hp yes
buoyant obsidian
56 do you have a solution for asset replacement or would you like me to send you the .asset files modified through UABE?
compact sedge
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/wyfeicwf2q Because I haven't seen anyone do this yet, this graph shows your relative strength in Bonfire vs the base game with 3 dreamers killed and max nail-- assuming you build nothing but strength stat.
EG a relative strength of 0.5 means you need to hit the enemy around twice as much as vanilla to kill it.
and for people who don't build nothing but strength... good luck I guess
(actually getting a few points in luck and dex is probably worth it for the crit)
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/g8lmnapnvx and this is your avg relative nail strength if you alternate between luck, strength, and dex.
(I think idk not a math expert probably doing something wrong here)
compact sedge
the higher the level you get the stronger you get in comparison to your enemies but the forumlas have definitely been changed since that veru video on it.
orchid talon
so it is still kinda ballanced out? i had a run were i was greedy and wanted alot of geo so i leveled only luck but found out that dealing normal damage vs bosses with alot more health was a bad idea for me
compact sedge
pure anything build sucks, but also consider that after 3 dreamers killed enemies have insanely high amounts of health, over 500% compared to vanilla.
and your nail upgrades are not as good as vanilla either
which is actually the main reason why it's hard to keep up
pure nail does like 13 dmg without any upgrades.
(13 dmg to enemies with up to 500% more hp)
which means fights sorta turn into a war of attrition
orchid talon
so you need to be carefull what you do, i can hear that much.
is there a way to know where these bumbs are? is it every 10 level? that their hp increases?
compact sedge
no their HP increases continuously based on your level and the number of dreamers killed
it increases by a lot for every dreamer
compact sedge
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/ezkijrszsd this is your relative power level to vanilla with the same build, max nail, and 0 dreamers killed.
orchid talon
what does that do? should i just google xD
young walrus
each mod has a readme
compact sedge
it makes your dash super strong but also makes it so your nail does 1 dmg so you have to dash to win
and you get sharp shadow from turning on the game
stray forge
also you start with damaging shade dash
compact sedge
also
you can dash in all sorts of crazy directions
once you get the dash upgrades
young walrus
and super dash is.... fun
compact sedge
super dash is super meme but super worth it
young walrus
^
orchid talon
maybe i should try that
fair rampart
I need to be Accurate with this, no matter that i saw game files
Is Hollow Knight on C Sharp?
flat forum
Yeah?
fair rampart
ok
compact sedge
yes
exotic venture
it's unity so it's csharp
compact sedge
Unity also lets you code in java script
(don't do it if you want your game to run at any reasonable framerate)
shy birch
Has Lightbringer been updated for Lifeblood yet?
young walrus
no
compact sedge
send complaints about Lightbringer not being updated to 56
young walrus
56 is not involved
compact sedge
56 is the one porting it
compact sedge
I bet you 100 dollars right now that the first public code repo of the fully ported version of Lightbringer will be on 56's git page.
and not KDT nor 753s
young walrus
like i'm gonna take that bet. 56 could just take what they have unfinished and publish it
they're working on finishing it off though with what they wanted
compact sedge
ok
young walrus
(text and emojis)
rare flax
I'm having a bid of trouble with Crossroads
strong flower
I want to play the randomizer mod, so I download 1.3.1.5 from the google drive, and do what with it?
young walrus
use the installer
strong flower
Im sorry, which is where?
compact sedge
imo unpin and repin gradow's installer message so it appears at the top
young walrus
probably
compact sedge
since people apparently can't scroll down.
rare flax
I directed it to the game file in ProgramFiles x83 but when I open up the game nothing is changed, I've modded Hollow Knight manually in the past but ever since the lifeblood update I haven't been able to redo what I did before to get them to work
strong flower
I see it now
young walrus
did you actually install things? or did you just tell it where to look
you have to install things after telling it where the game is
rare flax
I did
young walrus
could also just install them manually again
rare flax
I'll try it again
young walrus
you'll need modcommon though now for lifeblood
strong flower
Ok, I used the installer to install the specific mods I wanted, Im sorry, but now what do I do?
young walrus
play the game
young walrus
did you install their dependencies too when it asked you?
strong flower
When did it ask?
compact sedge
do you see in the top left the mods you wanted installed
top left of main menu
they should appear with version numbers
young walrus
^
yeah. open the game and verify it's all top left
API, modcommon, and whatever you installed, should all be there
strong flower
All my game is when I open is Hollow Knight in the center, and in the bottom corner in pink, Randomizer. There isnt like Play or any button like that
Do you know where I made a mistake?
strong flower
Okay, is that in the mod installer?
young walrus
yup
strong flower
Oh, I see it, thanks
young walrus
make sure to uncheck the other one
young walrus
young walrus
should pipe this song into your mod at the beginning, gradow
solemn rivet
I'll replace the title screen track with that one
strong flower
Im sorry to continue bugging everyone, the only mod I have is RandomizerMod2.0, yet the game still just says "Hollow Knight" without any play button
young walrus
what game version are you on
solemn rivet
Did you use the installer
young walrus
did you install the API and modcommon too?
young walrus
should be in the installer too
strong flower
just ModCommon
strong flower
There it is, thanks guys
young walrus
doesn't it say "do you want to install this mod's dependencies" too?
solemn rivet
^
compact sedge
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/buskihospy
Ok this is the fixed relative nail power level at all levels with a 3 way split build between luck, strength, and dex.
The number represents the estimated average DPS dealt by your nail, relative to the base game, when at a certain level given you put one point into each of these 3 stats every time you level up, and assuming that 1 level = 1 point (IDK if that's true or not haven't played the mod).
solemn rivet
AA is pure nail really 13 damage?
young walrus
SPREADSHEETS
rare flax
Replaced the Assembly C sharps, and unpackaged the mods into .dll files, but now when I try to open the game it just crashes
solemn rivet
Should be accurate, I literally copy pasted the code
young walrus
H O R I
solemn rivet
Use installer, pigeon
young walrus
API Mod Installer and Manager
This application trivializes the already trivial installation method of API mods for the game.
You can either manually download the mods and use this to install them, or simply use the mod manager do download and install whichever API mods you'd like!
https://gitlab.com/gradow/ModInstaller/uploads/100f494bf4112f2fb029db2bef94e0f4/ModInstaller.exe
compact sedge
pure nail dmg is given by:
rounding the following: (13)*1.25^(log_2 level)
assuming str level starts at one (which it must or you'd get negative infinite nail dmg)
This gives you a pure nail damage of 13 * 1 or 13 at 1 strength.
what I didn't expect from doing this chart is that you become more powerful with the nail than the normal knight... with ALL the dreamers killed, at just level 14.
(on average, in practice it may be +/- up to 6 levels thanks to both rounding and the fact you can't take 1/3rd of a point in a skill each time you level up.)
compact sedge
yeah. If you want a beta modding api I built one but otherwise you're gonna need regular HK to use the API
rare flax
Enemy randomizer keeps crashing tho should I keep trying it and just hope it works one of these times?
strong flower
Wait wait, what all is randomized in Randomizer2.0?
Wrath of the fallen and soul catcher have been the same
rare flax
The game keeps on getting stuck at 12% to 16% through the enemy randomization
compact sedge
So judging by the bonfire math I bet you could actually cheese NGG by around level 50 or so
flat forum
gonna try NGG again
compact sedge
since you'd be doing an effective 11x damage
rare flax
is game crashing while enemy randomizing a normal occurance?
rare flax
one sec lemme check
rare flax
8GB
compact sedge
8GB usable too?
rare flax
7.89 usable
rare flax
for Hollow Knight?
compact sedge
yes
rare flax
Not exactly sure
compact sedge
ok so the path is pinned in one of the pins
compact sedge
go there in windows explorer and you should see a text file called ModLog.txt
can you upload that file to this discord
flat forum
also I've gained 25k+ geo only from InfiniteGrimm
compact sedge
~46k of my current 49k geo is from that one mod
compact sedge
ok do you see a file called ModLog.txt?
can you upload that to this discord channel
rare flax
alright one sec
compact sedge
and I can try to tell you why it broke
rare flax
compact sedge
oh I forgot that isn't helpful.
There's another file called Player.log but I forgot where it was on Windows
compact sedge
do y'all know an easy way to make audio stop playing when I pause the game
rare flax
turn off volume?
compact sedge
no I mean
like
in a mod
when I add an AudioSource to an object
and tell it to play a sound
it continues playing when I pause the game
and worse yet
is not controlled by the volume settings in game
how do I fix both of these is my question?
buoyant obsidian
Might wanna use pause on the audiosource on game pause
idk about linking up the volume though
rare flax
Where would you find Player.log in windows
compact sedge
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
rare flax
I'll look for that thanks
compact sedge
idk the windows name sorry
rare flax
it's fine
leaden hedge
its at C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data
correct
copper nacelle
also 200 unread messages gayer
leaden hedge
I dont have a D:/STEM/ folder
rare flax
copper nacelle
@buoyant obsidian I'm gonna try and do what rando 2 and shitmodst 4 do
For asset replacement
compact sedge
So right now I guess I need to:
- sync up my volumes to the ingame volumes
- pause them when the game pauses
Problem: each of several game objects controls its own volume. I don't wanna add modhooks to the monobehaviors in these objects because that would mean adding and removing hooks constantly from the game which sounds bad to me.
something like blackmoth gets around this by just playing audio on an existing AudioSource but I'd rather be able to do it on new ones so I can have multiple sounds playing at once at arbitrary positions in space.
I'd like to get around this by using variables in classes like HeroController or GameManager or something, but idk which ones exist for volume and if the game is paused.
oh found em nvm
ignore above
copper nacelle
compact sedge
GameManager.instance.gameSettings.masterVolume... etc and UIManager.instance.uiState for checking if paused
leaden hedge
just ignore them pretend you're grass
lone berry
Alright so I'm gonna be honest. I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing with this, but i wanna download Lightbringer
compact sedge
56 hurry up
rare flax
I know you guys are pretty busy right now but if you ever have time to check in the output text file to see why enemy randomizer crashes just ping me
compact sedge
it's as I thought
rare flax
not enough ram?
compact sedge
yeah
rare flax
ah
rare flax
understandable
compact sedge
DynamicHeapAllocator allocation probe 1 failed - Could not get memory for large allocation 67108864.
DynamicHeapAllocator allocation probe 2 failed - Could not get memory for large allocation 67108864.
DynamicHeapAllocator allocation probe 3 failed - Could not get memory for large allocation 67108864.
DynamicHeapAllocator allocation probe 4 failed - Could not get memory for large allocation 67108864.
DynamicHeapAllocator out of memory - Could not get memory for large allocation 67108864!
see this at the end
it's requesting an astonishing 6.7GB
rare flax
ouch
compact sedge
and unless you're on Linux, you can't allocate more ram than you have to one program
so it's unable to get that 6.7GB
rare flax
Well, thanks for looking at it
leaden hedge
also unity is sometimes just dumb af
compact sedge
yeah nothing against the mod itself it's hard to load every single enemy to randomize them efficiently using unity functions
possibly impossible
leaden hedge
I've had DynamicHeapAlloaction fails for something like 10PB
as if theres 10PB of data to load ๐ค
bright prawn
is modding API and randomizer not up to date? i tried installing them and my main menu is gone
leaden hedge
where were you when hooks.dll was kill
no
copper nacelle
I merged them 
compact sedge
so glad I've still never needed to use manual monomod hooks
copper nacelle
if you're requiring modcommon anyways then why wouldn't you use them
compact sedge
because I don't need them
leaden hedge
tbh I've only used them for memes like speedhack
leaden hedge
and I should use it to fix moresaves
copper nacelle
yw
leaden hedge
but thats TCs fault
copper nacelle
yes please do
leaden hedge
and the modding api should fix it REEE
lone berry
how do you download lightbringer ._.
leaden hedge
you download it from moddb
lone berry
iโm having the same no menu thing
leaden hedge
you could just complain at 753 several months ago to port his shit to api so it doesn't break as easily
oh wait that didn't work 
lone berry
ah
copper nacelle
modcommon
leaden hedge
no menu with what installed
lone berry
lightbringer
copper nacelle
what
leaden hedge
you need to downpatch if you're on current patch
compact sedge
wasn't 753 not even in the modding scene several months ago. like he had retired for school or something?
copper nacelle
lone berry
thank you
leaden hedge
its probably even longer ago than that
compact sedge
how long ago were the tools I take for granted: modcommon and modding api made?
lone berry
do you know which patch i need to use for lightbringer?
leaden hedge
modcommon is ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I never had a reason to use it
it should say which patch
its probably 1.2.1.4
copper nacelle
1.2.2.1
lone berry
thank you
leaden hedge
in fact I don't even know what modcommon does
compact sedge
I use it because it has the best FSM dumper
and also because it has a couple of helper functions that I could copy into my code but I'd rather not
leaden hedge
i mean just setup a recursive function
compact sedge
because I want modcommon to become a staple
leaden hedge
its like 5 seconds to write
I don't think a debug tool is a particular good reason to have a dependancy
compact sedge
I'll leave that as an exercise for the gaming and programming god while I'll instead spend my time getting actual functioning mods working.
copper nacelle
i just use it for monomod hooks
leaden hedge
whats wrong with hooks.dll ๐ค
urban olive
i think i messed up a mod installation and now my game's not working
leaden hedge
even though hooks.dll should be part of api not modcommon
do you have a backup of your assembly-csharp.dll
leaden hedge
restore it and it'll work ๐ค
urban olive
ok
leaden hedge
if you define not working better
urban olive
but like once I do
leaden hedge
I can probably debug better
urban olive
how do i actually get the mod installed?
I'm trying to install randomizer
I installed the API and randomizer
leaden hedge
do you have modcommon
leaden hedge
install modcommon
leaden hedge
should be
leaden hedge
under kerr1291
urban olive
ok
leaden hedge
are you gonna do that with modcommon functions
compact sedge
make it say "Play Modcommon" for the memes
copper nacelle
only the hooks
leaden hedge
the dll goes in your mods folder
urban olive
ok
lone berry
iโm assuming itโll send a message when the patch is done being downloaded?
leaden hedge
looks good to me
urban olive
hey thanks so much
that worked perfectly
the video i found didn't mention it but you helped a lot :)
leaden hedge
also I guess MoreSaves will never get fixed lol
I aint using a dependancy thats 200 times bigger than my mod just to fix a single line of code in the game
copper nacelle
y tho
hollow pier
who needs moresaves when you just delete after killing thk
urban olive
implying i have it working
but when i click mods
in the menu
it only shows modcommon and says it's "on"
randomizer's not there
copper nacelle
that only shows mods you can toggle
leaden hedge
only certain mods have toggles
hollow pier
start a new game
leaden hedge
randomizer doesn't
BossRush and Modcommon are the only ones with that implemented afaik
hollow pier
bossrush 
copper nacelle
charming and mantis gods have it implemented too
urban olive
i have to move one out of the folder?
leaden hedge
yes
urban olive
ok makes sense
is there a document talking about some of these ingame settings? Liike what "all bosses/all charms" actually does
rly new sorry
lone berry
iโm still confused. What directory in steam is the site talking about
leaden hedge
most of them are obvious, the only one that you might not want to mess with is difficultly
as hard / magolor are much harder than what a casual would define as "hard"
you mean Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight ?
leaden hedge
no it wants you to make a copy of your steam install
and replace it with the one you downloaded via steam console
lone berry
where would i find the new download
leaden hedge
it prints it in the steam console
lone berry
the red text?
copper nacelle
it's not done
leaden hedge
no it says there wont be indication of progress in the client itself (steam)
the steam console will tell you when its done though
copper nacelle
rinsoemthing
leaden hedge
me too thanks
solemn rivet
KDT modcommon was first made by kerr when he was rewriting Hornet1
He put all interesting functions in a single file and called it modcommon
And then he made it open source and added us as contributors
And then 56 came along and hooks.dll
Also rip 200+ messages in the only day I'm not able to help much
copper nacelle
hooks.dll is 8mb
half olive
is there a way to revert my game to a previous version?
half olive
sounds like some work
leaden hedge
Not really
half olive
ill try it out thanks
solemn rivet
phew, finally home!
bonfire enemy HP curves
I'm honestly thinking of adding these to the gdrive
so people stop complaining "I level up and enemies get stronger"
compact sedge
tbh the fact that both enemy HP and benefits from leveling up level off over time means you can't say from just this graph that this is not a problem
solemn rivet
yeah
I'm gonna fix that
but, for now
boiii
making graphs for every stat
now
looking at the nail damage curves versus the enemy hp curves, it's easy to see that you can become OP
because nail damage doesn't have an upper bound, while enemy hp does
compact sedge
Str on it's own is ok but when you for example, put luck and dex together your crits end up with a power curve of log^2(x)
solemn rivet
yeah
half olive
i assume you're the dev for bonfire
solemn rivet
I'm gonna make something that gives you the expected damage - taking as inputs the levels for STR, DEX and LCK
me? No, he's taller than me
half olive
i'm in the process of getting the mod and trying it out, i wanted to ask if stacking STR with nail upgrades is additive or multiplicative
compact sedge
uh neither
solemn rivet
https://ggbm.at/E4YHU3JD boiii
compact sedge
it's a log scale
compact sedge
rip
half olive
gotcha
compact sedge
oh no I found a big error in my chart
I was treating crit chance as a value from 0 to 1 instead of a percentage
compact sedge
apparently with that change it now takes... level 15 to overtake vanilla. These number still feel too high so I'm just gonna let you make your tool and see how it compares
solemn rivet
installer has all API mods
compact sedge
yeah use gradow's installer
fair rampart
whats that
compact sedge
and pick whatever mods you want
fair rampart
okie
compact sedge
it's a mod installer
fair rampart
the link
compact sedge
to make it easier
solemn rivet
pins
compact sedge
any mods except boss rush and randomizer v1
fair rampart
wich one
compact sedge
idk if randomizer v1 is still there
solemn rivet
read
compact sedge
the one that's pinned that's by gradow
if I was a mod I'd unpin and repin it so it appears on top
solemn rivet
I'll do that
compact sedge
because it's like, the most useful link for new people coming into this channel
solemn rivet
compact sedge
thanks
solemn rivet
done
hollow pier
qol
solemn rivet
honestly, nothing you'd want
hollow pier
its qol
fair rampart
modcommon?
hollow pier
float is storage ๐ค
fair rampart
what does it do?
compact sedge
doesn't modcommon get installed automatically by mods that need it
solemn rivet
you need that for other mods
compact sedge
it's a library to help mods
solemn rivet
it should, Angle, yeah
fair rampart
wait i been usein other mods with out it?
solemn rivet
maybe you already have it
compact sedge
and all of mine which aren't good
solemn rivet
is it checked?
young walrus
downpatch
solemn rivet
it's not API
so it's not compatible with any of these mods
also, it's not updated
fair rampart
oh
solemn rivet
so you need to downpatch to 1.2.2.1
young walrus
Downgrade from lifeblood
fair rampart
and charming
young walrus
that's an oxymoron
solemn rivet
use randomizer2
fair rampart
okie
solemn rivet
charming is fun
fair rampart
what is it?
solemn rivet
reworks some charms
young walrus
man, if only the mods had readmes
solemn rivet
if only
fair rampart
what does it do?
young walrus
read the readme
fair rampart
fuck that tell me
fair rampart
):
compact sedge
ok I'll be nice
fair rampart
u people are so mean
young walrus
Like I'm going to do anything to help your dumb ass.
leaden hedge
sign language it for me
fair rampart
): y are u so mean
hollow pier
banned for spam
compact sedge
it does 2 other ones but uh it's kinda in limbo now
solemn rivet
I think no one actually compiled sean's additions
compact sedge
the version with sean's additions requires a thing that conflicts with monomod hooks
and since nobody's bothered to port it to monomod hooks it's kinda broken
afaik
rain cedar
It was monomod to begin with
solemn rivet
wait
rain cedar
Kerr ported it to harmony
compact sedge
harmony + monomod hooks = bad times
rain cedar
Idk
compact sedge
56 "just" brought monomod hooks into modcommon
solemn rivet
I think he did fix some stuffs that were using harmony tho
opal hearth
how does one downgrade?
young walrus
opal hearth
or, are the mods going to be incorporated into lifeblood, cuz if so i'll just wait
leaden hedge
mods are in lifeblood
leaden hedge
theres only boss rush, moresaves and lightbringer
compact sedge
and lightbringer's coming soon
leaden hedge
that don't work
compact sedge
and boss rush is coming in "the coming months" to vanilla game
young walrus
you know, i always forget about more saves
leaden hedge
well moresaves should be vanilla too
young walrus
it really should
compact sedge
4's totally enough until you start playing the game seriously
opal hearth
i'll just wait then. lightbringer and randomizer were the only two that really stuck out as must-plays. at least from that video.
young walrus
randomizer is up to date
compact sedge
I wouldn't do both randomizer and lightbringer at once
hollow pier
rando good
leaden hedge
yeah but its really not that much effort for them to add the next page and previous page
compact sedge
even if it did work
opal hearth
oh hell no, that's a one at a time thing for sure.
young walrus
then just do rando first
compact sedge
then try rando it's fun
leaden hedge
its non-intrusive and is just objectively better than being locked to 4
leaden hedge
tbh it said mods are good and worth playing its completely wrong
solemn rivet
^
young walrus
"these are the top 5 mods, because they were the only 5 I bothered to try."
leaden hedge
99% of mods are just shitposts in code form
solemn rivet
when it started with bonfire I was like "yup, this is absolute bullshit"
young walrus
lol
solemn rivet
like, as if bonfire was worth anyone's time
young walrus
boop mod best mod
solemn rivet
honest tho
young walrus
best 3 hour shit post
hollow pier
shitmodst 2 is the best mod and it doesnt even exist
solemn rivet
shitmodst 4 best mod
leaden hedge
whens shadermodst 3
hollow pier
shitmodst 753
buoyant obsidian
you download the mods that sound coolest even if you never touch them
leaden hedge
schlongs of skyrim is my favourite mod tbqh
young walrus
I want to download all possible API compatible mods and do a playthrough
just a complete shit show
buoyant obsidian
For whatever reason the schlong mod is really well made
fair rampart
wait what does the randomizer mod do?
opal hearth
so, how does installing work? cuz i easily go back to vanilla without having to dig into registry shit?
hollow pier
what if there was a readme
leaden hedge
you replace your modded assembly-csharp with a vanilla one
buoyant obsidian
Yeah verify game files on Steam should fix your game right up
young walrus
just verify steam file integrity to uninstall mods
leaden hedge
or you can just move all your mods into a different folder
fair rampart
can i get a anwser
opal hearth
oh neat
young walrus
use the installer to install them
hollow pier
i answered
leaden hedge
as the modding api only makes one minor qol to the game
young walrus
dude. go fucking read the readmes
fair rampart
not read me
fair rampart
y cant u just say it
leaden hedge
because its a lot of effort to repeatedly tell people what every mod does
what do you think randomizer does tbh
young walrus
b/c you're annoying, rude, erratic, dumb, and a really pushy person. nobody wants to help someone like that
go read the readmes
opal hearth
uh, so.. where do i actually find the mods/readmes?
half olive
i tried running the installer .exe and i got a virus warning
leaden hedge
pins
buoyant obsidian
Ah, #archived-modding-development hasn't changed a bit 
young walrus
๐
leaden hedge
theres a drive
fair rampart
so it does nun
opal hearth
oh yea i forgot that was a thing
leaden hedge
no modding has changed
hollow pier
faceroll thats supposed to happen every mod is a virus
leaden hedge
someone made a video because gods and glory came out and they wanted to cash-in asap
young walrus
@half olive well you can choose to use it or not I guess
hollow pier
the entire modding community is a sham to infect people's games
compact sedge
modding... modding never changes.
leaden hedge
tbh there needs to be ngg ransomware
buoyant obsidian
Ransom Soul Mode
hollow pier
installing any kdt mod is painful enough
compact sedge
beat NGG in 3 days or all your files will be deleted
buoyant obsidian
getting hit deletes a random file on your computer
leaden hedge
existing is painful enough
fair rampart
what does randomizer do?
hollow pier
readme
fair rampart
idk
buoyant obsidian
Ransomizer you mean?
young walrus
it's a good thing i'm not a mod
leaden hedge
and what does the izer suffix mean
young walrus
this dude would have been gone 2 weeks ago
fair rampart
i has nun to do wit the game
opal hearth
it changes all your button prompts to do something else and it constantly changes
fair rampart
the mod
hollow pier
or celeste
compact sedge
it moves all the enemies and spikes to random locations
leaden hedge
it only loads randomly
opal hearth
celeste is also 10/10
leaden hedge
25% of the time it just crashes
young walrus
it randomly will reduce your IQ
fair rampart
spells?
young walrus
so for you.... does nothing
opal hearth
savage
fair rampart
no
compact sedge
you know you're probably reading MORE text by staying in this chat than you'd have to read if you read the readme
young walrus
yeah but that's big think
leaden hedge
how about you just install it
young walrus
not zero think
buoyant obsidian
So what you're saying is download it randomly?
hollow pier
install player data tracker who needs this randomizer garbage lmao
opal hearth
look dude, i'm new here. and i already know: "read the readme"
compact sedge
if you want there's text to speech programs on windows, would that make it easier?
young walrus
and you've been cordial and not a complete dick
leaden hedge
WHAT DOES BOSS RUSH DO? PLS ASSIST
compact sedge
ok you know what'd be great
opal hearth
why thank you curtsy
compact sedge
if veru narrated all the mod descriptions
young walrus
you be nice to us, we be nice to you. simple as that
solemn rivet
I'm having so much fun reading this, you guys have no idea
hollow pier
hes too busy farming essence
young walrus
you be a moron and rude to us.... we be rude to you
leaden hedge
veru needs to kill ngg
solemn rivet
oh god
hollow pier
opal hearth
oh wow thanks
solemn rivet
and they're all shitmodst
buoyant obsidian
"meme"
leaden hedge
veru would never meme
compact sedge
shitmodst 1-4 and bonfire
leaden hedge
he is an intelluctual like myself
compact sedge
sorry gradow
solemn rivet
also, LexiP, there are two installers in pins, if you don't want to waste time
not that it's hard
hollow pier
the 5 best mods are 5 6 7 5 and 3
solemn rivet
but people somehow seem to have trouble dragging and dropping virtual thingies
leaden hedge
darkmod,
darkmod 2,
speedhack at 3 speed
IGG at 5 speed
darkmod 3
leaden hedge
only use all at same time
compact sedge
kdt beat infinite NGG at 5 speed darkmod damageless old nail no spells
opal hearth
see last time i tried to do that, it was so large of a file, my mouse pointer fell right off the screen.
leaden hedge
no u
solemn rivet
see?
hollow pier
cant even beat his own mod smh my head
solemn rivet
KDT do it or no balls
leaden hedge
guess im no balls
solemn rivet
leaden hedge
everyone else is noer balls
young walrus
yes homo
opal hearth
some homo
young walrus
leaden hedge
50/50 at best
young walrus
just the tip
opal hearth
a light smattering
young walrus
H O R I
leaden hedge
hori fighting commander more like gay haa
young walrus
good
rain cedar
Not my mod not my problem
leaden hedge
doesn't even matter if its your mod
just say not my problem
and they have to leave you alone
compact sedge
this is why having a green nametag on this server sucks
see I never have to help anyone
I could change my name and nobody'd know I had even made a mod
rain cedar
Steal someone else's name and profile pic
opal hearth
actual non meme question
i got a microsoft .net framework unhandled exception when trying to install the mod installer
w0t do
solemn rivet
57
compact sedge
Install .net 3.5?
opal hearth
i think i've already got 3.5 but i'll check it
fair rampart
isnt black moth dashing?
opal hearth
woooow
compact sedge
Yes it sure is dashingly beautiful
compact sedge
Y'all know if it's possible to just load an arbitrary asset (like a sound effect) from the game given I know (or can find) its name?
solemn rivet
maybe
compact sedge
darn that's the answer I got from 56 too
compact sedge
maybe I'll go back to making my laser sound good
instead of just ripping off one from a hypothetical final boss
leaden hedge
find object -> deserialize -> load unity -> stick into asset bundle
congrats you're done
leaden hedge
but reusing ones in the game is fine ๐ค
compact sedge
sure, if I can load it without bundling it with my mod
actually
the radiance lasers sound just like explosions
it's just like BOOM
leaden hedge
why would you even bundle it, you can just put it in the dll
compact sedge
that's still bundling it
leaden hedge
although I haven't test putting assetbundles in the dll
compact sedge
as I said because I'm a meme
I'm putting 0 assets with my mod that has custom game objects
just code
actually everything in this game sounds like explosions/impacts
copper nacelle
autumn rock
just like Elderbug
opal hearth
now my computer won't let me install 3.5 ๐ where's todd howard when you need him
half olive
say youre an idiot, and you clicked "hide menu" on the debug mod, whats the button to toggle it back?
compact sedge
f1
compact sedge
no
it's actually surprisingly easy
my problem was checking if the game was paused and getting the sound effect volume slider settings
which both ended up variables I could access anywhere
opal hearth
:\ i reinstalled 3.5, aaand no dice. still getting the same error
rain cedar
@copper nacelle @buoyant obsidian Can one of y'all number dudes point me in the right direction for lightbringer sprites?
rain cedar
Cool thanks
opal hearth
anyone know how to get the mod installer working? cuz this is not an error i have any idea how to fix
rain cedar
What even is the error?
opal hearth
unhandled exception. "the device is not ready"
opal hearth
yeah. i can't imagine what device it's referring to
should i just hit continue and let it try to install anyway?
rain cedar
Worth a try
rain cedar
There's two installers, try the other one
opal hearth
i'll give the other one a shot
solemn rivet
the X axis means "STR levels" for the orange graph and "Levels" for the green graph
and the Y axis means "bonfire value/vanilla value"
try increasing the "upgrades" slider
also this shows that ANY points into DEX/LCK is a massive increase in the expected damage
weary oyster
did yall see this yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7kqpbry0C8
eternal walrus
at the end he apologizes for the misinfo and says he will unlist the video in 24 hours
copper nacelle
ree
young walrus
hoy lookit. double money grab
copper nacelle
kdt and I don't exist
eternal walrus
he specifically apologizes to the modders
copper nacelle
neither does kerr
opal hearth
i mean.. he got me to come here cuz i had no idea mods for this game were even a thing, so..
solemn rivet
I'd honestly much rather he make a better video about HK mods
I'd honestly like that
young walrus
^
opal hearth
same, tbh. and i have no idea what i'm doing right now lol
rain cedar
Why does anyone even care what this random youtuber is doing?
young walrus
^
opal hearth
a lot of his vids come up frequently when searching anything hollow knight
young walrus
the fact that we've had to make up for his mistakes is reason enough to take it down
solemn rivet
that guy that kept pestering mick
opal hearth
the intelligence, or lack thereof, of some people just utterly baffles me.
young walrus
It was a great idea. And honestly, the video SHOULD be made. Like.... just do some research
copper nacelle
^