archived-modding-development

[leaden hedge]

he ded

[rigid stag]

lol the map rlly looks like a nail

[young walrus]

"oh what's this thing?"

[leaden hedge]

before I spend several hours masking this

I should actually check my texture matches the in game one

[rigid stag]

crash 1

crash 2

rip

[young walrus]

did you delete your registry like i said to?

[rigid stag]

look i dont know how to do anything

[solemn rivet]

use the appropriate API version

[young walrus]

there's a guide for it

right next to the guide for downpatching

[rigid stag]

i used the right api

[young walrus]

with fun pictures

[compact sedge]

thanks for doing this kdt

[solemn rivet]

dis

[rigid stag]

wait why 1.2.2.1 i thought 1.2.1.4

[young walrus]

....but you downloaded 1.2.2.1

[solemn rivet]

^

that's the command I sent you

why 1.2.1.4 tho

[rigid stag]

ok i thought u sent me 1.2.1.2

[solemn rivet]

no

but why would you try 1.2.1.4 tho

[rigid stag]

i have no idea

this is confusing

[solemn rivet]

no, this is patrick

[rigid stag]

ok so there isnt a team cherry thing in the registry but its on the right version now

[solemn rivet]

I've never deleted the registry

try running it first

[young walrus]

you've never played the game before?

if you've played the game, then a registry folder was made

[rigid stag]

ok if thats the case then how do i start a boss rush game mode

[young walrus]

start a new game

forces you into boss rush

[rigid stag]

thats it?

[young walrus]

that's it

[rigid stag]

nice

[leaden hedge]

dont pick up jonis

or dreamshield

or glowing womb or weaversong

[compact sedge]

or anything

[young walrus]

don't pick up things that bug the collector

[solemn rivet]

oh yeah

that's important

[compact sedge]

pick up grimmchild

[solemn rivet]

no

don't

it sucks

[young walrus]

what level does it default to in boss rush?

if it's the base level.... that'd be hilarious

[compact sedge]

tbh it could default to max level and it still wouldn't be that good

[solemn rivet]

I think it was either stuck to base level

or

every time you pick it up, it gains a level

[compact sedge]

hahaha

[solemn rivet]

not sure which

[compact sedge]

that's so bad either way

[young walrus]

so shit either way

lol

[solemn rivet]

yeah

[compact sedge]

1 charm for the cost of 4

[solemn rivet]

also, mick

going to SGDQ?

[leaden hedge]

every pickup levels it up

[young walrus]

stuck at base level would be fucking hilarious

yes i am

[solemn rivet]

nice

represent

[compact sedge]

when is sgdq?

how many days

[young walrus]

Sunday

[compact sedge]

woah

GL

[solemn rivet]

next week iirc

no HK this time tho

[young walrus]

I'm not running anything

just going for fun

[compact sedge]

oh darn

[young walrus]

and to pester Risky

[solemn rivet]

I still think having a rando race would be lotsa fun for the HK stream

[compact sedge]

didn't you run HK 6 months ago?

or was that someone else

[young walrus]

it's 10 minutes from my house, it'd be silly not to attend

yeah it was me

[solemn rivet]

and he didn't shout us out

smh

[compact sedge]

That video was motivation for me to finish the game

[solemn rivet]

it's like

[young walrus]

well i didn't have a couch to remind me

[solemn rivet]

he doesn't even care

[young walrus]

cuz y'all suck

[solemn rivet]

well

[compact sedge]

I didn't wanna watch any speedruns until beating the game

[solemn rivet]

I live across the globe m8

[compact sedge]

for spoilers

[young walrus]

and that's my fault why, Gradow?

[compact sedge]

so I finished it and first thing I watched was the joseph anderson thing and second thing was your run

[solemn rivet]

not ur fault

but don't blame me for not couching for you

[young walrus]

so you're saying that shouting you out wasn't my fault then

cuz you weren't there

[compact sedge]

how dare you shout people out

[leaden hedge]

it was everyones fault

[solemn rivet]

I tried typing real fast in chat

[young walrus]

but that's not your fault

[solemn rivet]

but u didn't see it

so it's ur fault

[compact sedge]

heh

[young walrus]

lol

[solemn rivet]

I haven't seen risky in a long time tbh

[young walrus]

I've never seen anyone here except for Devil

[solemn rivet]

I think I first met Risky in the Valdis Story speedrun forums

or was that someone else...?

[young walrus]

was probably risky

he ran that for awhile

[solemn rivet]

well, that game is dead now, anyways, so who cares

I helped find a skip for it at some point

and... That's it

[rigid stag]

what is MP

[copper nacelle]

soul

[young walrus]

magic points

mana points

soul

[rigid stag]

oh

[peak gyro]

is this where i can ask for help with mods?

[young walrus]

pins

check pins

if you're coming from the YT video. read the mod readmes

[solemn rivet]

sounds fishy

yes, I went there, sue me

[young walrus]

[solemn rivet]

also, g2g now

[young walrus]

[solemn rivet]

presenting a seminar in like an hour

[peak gyro]

I did, I just need help with the drive

[solemn rivet]

[young walrus]

what about it

[solemn rivet]

what help, Fish?

also, try using the installers

[young walrus]

^

[solemn rivet]

they really trivialize the process

[young walrus]

or watch the video.

or read the step by step descriptions

so many resources in pins

[peak gyro]

so I go to the files for the bonefire mod, i click on hollow_knight_data and then i click on managed and then I click on mods. But how do I apply the mod to the game?

[copper nacelle]

use an installer imo

[young walrus]

use an installer

[solemn rivet]

They literally ignored everything we just said

[young walrus]

^

can't help them then

[compact sedge]

wow bonefire sounds so much more metal

[young walrus]

reading comprehension skills

[leaden hedge]

no read

only mod

thank

[runic hinge]

yo guys, i m new, can i ask a question?

[compact sedge]

too late

you already did

[runic hinge]

rip

anyway is it possible to install different mods together or it may casue problems running the game?

[compact sedge]

depends on the mods. all the modern api mods that work with lifeblood can be installed together

and mostly work perfectly together

[solemn rivet]

Download installer

Install mods =/= boss rush

Done

All of them work fine together

'fine'

"fine"

[compact sedge]

wait a second doesn't the installer have things like lightbringer

or no

[solemn rivet]

Mine doesnt

[compact sedge]

yours is just API mods?

[solemn rivet]

Yup

[alpine sedge]

does the lightbringer mod still work?

[solemn rivet]

No

Wait a few hours tho

[compact sedge]

56 needs to wake up

and finish it

[solemn rivet]

^

[compact sedge]

(and put it on github or something imo)

[copper nacelle]

reeee

[compact sedge]

oh u are awake

[copper nacelle]

I'm eating breakfast rn

[solemn rivet]

Go back to sleep you silly bugger

[compact sedge]

breakfast at 2pm

[copper nacelle]

2:30 pm

good breakfast

[solemn rivet]

3:30pm here

[copper nacelle]

even better

[rigid stag]

does fragile streght break in boss rush?

stregth*

[void tree]

no

iirc

[leaden hedge]

should be unbreakable str

[leaden hedge]

anyone got the heirarchy for the knight?

[solemn rivet]

Sorry, I do but am on mobile

Also, trinomi, IG hard+ record when

[copper nacelle]

^

[hollow pier]

ingg record when

[void tree]

I sorta stopped caring about IG after i realized that going forever wouldn't be that hard with a bit of practise at the 9k (or whatever max-) speed. INGG sounds fun tho

[copper nacelle]

meme

[compact sedge]

all I can say regarding IGG is... good luck.

eww use a dict

wtf

[copper nacelle]

ree

more effort

[compact sedge]

ur gonna complain about my code

[copper nacelle]

yes

[leaden hedge]

probably gets optimized to a dict anyway

[compact sedge]

you can use dnspy and find out

[copper nacelle]

ok give me about

30 seconds

[compact sedge]

also uh question about localization. has anyone tried with any mods to make the text suit the language

[copper nacelle]

what's wrong with this

oh forgot a backslash

there it's a dictionary now

[compact sedge]

and uh is there any way to dump every language string with code instead of just the ones that the player encounters?

[rain cedar]

Put language strings into xml

Parse into dict

[leaden hedge]

you can just get the language strings with uabe

[compact sedge]

I can't use uabe

[leaden hedge]

I guess you could reflect them all out of the language class though

[compact sedge]

and I forgot to copy over the assets I extracted from the computer that could

ok I'll look into doing that I guess

there's a:
private static string GetLanguageFileContents(string sheetTitle)
but idk the names of all the sheets

[copper nacelle]

meme

[leaden hedge]

currentEntrySheets.Keys ?

[copper nacelle]

wtf

mod crashes game

[rain cedar]

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/RandomizerMod.cs#L72

[copper nacelle]

am i doing something incredibly wrong here

cause when i hook w/ this it crashes the game

[rain cedar]

try/catch

Get the error

[compact sedge]

or just look in Player.log

[copper nacelle]

System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.StackOverflowException: The requested operation caused a stack overflow.

pain

[steep sail]

stack overflow) creation of great programmers forum)

Looks like there are memory problems

[copper nacelle]

oh

i'm dumb

should've been using getinternal

meme

[exotic dune]

collect
Essence

[copper nacelle]

shut

[compact sedge]

collect memes

I love the new game version number

[leaden hedge]

https://gfycat.com/WhoppingElectricFrenchbulldog
on one hand the sprites are fucked
on the other hand, the shader works

[copper nacelle]

idk what you're talking about

it's beautiful

[compact sedge]

shitmodst 5

ok yield return new Waits are great

[copper nacelle]

[compact sedge]

no really wtf they're so good

[copper nacelle]

i don't think anything could be worse than yield return null 800 times

[compact sedge]

I don't think it's that bad efficiency wise

just makes my code messy and dumb

does Time.DeltaTime give me the time since my Coroutine was last run or just the length of one frame?

[rain cedar]

Length of a frame

[leaden hedge]

the length of one frame

[rain cedar]

Your coroutine is technically still running the whole time

You're just waiting on the WaitForSeconds IEnumerator

[leaden hedge]

you could make your own delta time

using Time.Time and subtracting the time last run from the current time

[compact sedge]

nah no need

[loud cedar]

is there a free guy to help with a mod installation query?

API for current version installed
tried randomised V2 , installed ModCommon,
no sign of the mod except the top left where it says its installed.

tried v1 , randomiser text appears bottom right, woot, but no randomisation options in game.

[copper nacelle]

did you beat the game

[loud cedar]

cloud save got messed up, i take it it only unlocks after the fact?

[copper nacelle]

yes

you can grab a 102 or whatever% save in pinned #hk-discussion

[compact sedge]

you still have to beat the game

[copper nacelle]

then just kill thk

[compact sedge]

but thk ez bos

also

use v2

DONT USE V1

[loud cedar]

damnit, good to know i didnt mess it up, ill just plow through it again

shall do

[copper nacelle]

unrelated why tf does GetIntInternal not cache FieldInfos

[rain cedar]

Not my problem

TC code

[compact sedge]

anyone know how to get my hitbox to match my sprite regardless of rotation?

and if not does anyone know how to at least draw where my hitbox is

[rain cedar]

Probably would work if you rotate the object instead of the sprite

[compact sedge]

I am rotating the object

[rain cedar]

And ModCommon has collider drawing

[compact sedge]

and the sprite is attached at a certain pivot

[rain cedar]

Just add a component DebugColliders to your object

And it draws it

[compact sedge]

neato

oh that's pretty cool

and now I know my problem

actually wait huh. I constantly update my collider size to be my sprite size

what's wrong with doing this in the animation code?

cachedSpriteRenderer.sprite = Sprite.Create(spriteUsed, spriteRect, new Vector2(0, 0.5f), pixelsPerUnit);
cachedCollider.size = cachedSpriteRenderer.size;

[fair rampart]

how do you zoom out in debug mod

[rain cedar]

It's page down

[fair rampart]

thanks

[compact sedge]

I mean you can do - too if you don't like doing nail damage

[copper nacelle]

idk 0 nail damage is pretty great

[compact sedge]

how do I update a sprite's size?

[rain cedar]

Change the anchors or sizeDelta on your RectTransform

[compact sedge]

eh I'll just set the collider size manually since I know the exact number of units it needs to be

Works 100% perfectly thanks for the help

I should try to clean up my other colliders now that I know I can print their position like this.

[fair rampart]

is there a way to freeze the camera

[vale comet]

Might be a dumb question, but does anyone have a list of what mods currently work on the Lifeblood update?

[hollow pier]

pins

[compact sedge]

every mod in the mod installer except boss rush afaik

[vale comet]

Oh, excellent - cheers ^^

[exotic venture]

oh boy i finally got to take a look at the comment i made on that one superforge video

[vale comet]

Oh, that's the one that actually brought me here to ask about which mods did still work :P

[exotic venture]

ouhh, welcome then!

hope you have a good time with the mods and modding community

[copper nacelle]

or no

[exotic venture]

there's a bunch of good lads over here who could help you out if you need it

also i havent seen it

[copper nacelle]

darn

released it yesterday

wow mod removed

[floral furnace]

oof it was removed

fuck inb4 i got a warning for my comment lmao

[copper nacelle]

ree i spent a whole 5 minutes on that

[hollow pier]

shouldnt take more than 5 minutes

[exotic venture]

well moddb sucks anyway

[floral furnace]

shitposts mods not allowed

even tho they should be

[copper nacelle]

reeeeeee

i had to take 5 pictures and everything too

[exotic venture]

not allowing shitmodsts is like cutting away at the lifeblood of the modding community

[floral furnace]

Hey their loss if they cant experience a modern masterpiece like ur mum gay mod of the year edition

[copper nacelle]

big depresso

[hollow pier]

scroll clicking opens the original image wtf

stay woke

[hollow owl]

so im using the randomiser mod and just started and after defeating the false knight the next room i go into just gives me a loading screen and it wont move on, can anyone help?

[exotic venture]

"wow mystery you are such a rude individual why do you state the truth like it is supposed to be without any fluff, like criticism is supposed to be"

[vale comet]

So, just got the installer, installed the ModAPI with it. What mods would some of you fine folk recommend for someone that's finally did everything in the base game to the max and looking for a way to have a fresh experience?

[exotic venture]

[hollow pier]

rando is my favourite mod

[young walrus]

Can someone update the rando link on the drive pls

[copper nacelle]

all of them

[exotic venture]

i'd say randomizer is the best way to start

[copper nacelle]

yeah i'll put the other build on drive

[exotic venture]

it's really fun and has tons of replayability

[young walrus]

Thanks 56

[vale comet]

And with the Installer, that'd just be Randomizer2(Lifeblood), aye?

[copper nacelle]

wait wait

[exotic venture]

yes

[copper nacelle]

wait 2 seconds

before downloading it

i beg of thee

[young walrus]

Been too many people running into that bug

[exotic venture]

modcommon

[copper nacelle]

what

[young walrus]

What

[exotic venture]

that's req'd right

or

am i being the big dungo

[copper nacelle]

both

[hollow pier]

you need modcommon

[vale comet]

Alright, got that installed now too

[copper nacelle]

ree

[exotic venture]

oh ok then i am just being the normal dungo

[copper nacelle]

hit the redownload button

[hollow pier]

reedownload

[copper nacelle]

yes

[young walrus]

Wow. Not listening to 56

[hollow pier]

who listens to 56

real gods listen to his mechanical keyboard

[copper nacelle]

@hollow owl redownload/uninstall and reinstall it and it should fix itself

[exotic venture]

me, because sometimes he has a point you know

[copper nacelle]

wait what the fuck

[hollow owl]

okay, ty

[copper nacelle]

wait one sec

thank you google drive

[exotic venture]

fiftysix please

[vale comet]

So, Randomizer works on charms and abilities, right? Just those things?

[copper nacelle]

wtf

[hollow pier]

and relics

[copper nacelle]

it won't overwrite it

[exotic venture]

and re--

[young walrus]

And spells

[hollow pier]

but it randomizes relics with relics

[exotic venture]

yeah what ptk said

[vale comet]

Noice

[young walrus]

Not anymore ptkyr

[hollow pier]

wat

[young walrus]

Not in 2.0

[copper nacelle]

^

[hollow pier]

lb rando literally unplayable

uninstalling

[young walrus]

Kbye

[copper nacelle]

@hollow owl ok uploaded new version

[hollow pier]

[copper nacelle]

now you can uninstall/reinstall

and it should fix itself

[vale comet]

What changes does the QoL mod make?

[young walrus]

Nothing you'd probably care about

[hollow pier]

inv drop skip cutscenes

[leaden hedge]

qol ones

[copper nacelle]

inv drop, storage, skip cutscenes, shut up salubra

[hollow pier]

the only qol mod you really need is lemm sell all

actually god

[hollow owl]

after doing all that should i start a new save or can i just carry on as normal?

[copper nacelle]

latter

[vapid socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDk6qkVbf80&feature=youtu.be

I saw this today.

KDT, why.

[copper nacelle]

cause he's kdt

[exotic venture]

kdt feeds on your tears

[rain cedar]

More like k🅱t

[vapid socket]

It's impressive

but those tendrils have caused a lot of pain and suffering for people

[copper nacelle]

they have like

the smallest hitboxes in existence

[compact sedge]

KDT can't even get to the final phase of NGG

[vapid socket]

How did they playtest it then?

[copper nacelle]

you can just turn on invin

or give yourself a 500 damage nail

[young walrus]

Man. If only there was a mod that let you cheat

[vapid socket]

It's not entirely conducive to the experience if it's tested with invincibility in mind, but it's completeable and that's what counts

[compact sedge]

tbf I can't even get to the second phase of NGG

[copper nacelle]

wait

[compact sedge]

I can't even do 400 dmg

[copper nacelle]

that's what i was doing

ty

[young walrus]

NGG isn't meant to be an experience

It's not even been beaten yet

It's meant to kick you in the nuts repeatedly

[copper nacelle]

@compact sedge

[ERROR]:[API] - Error: System.Reflection.ReflectionTypeLoadException: The classes in the module cannot be loaded.
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.Assembly:GetTypes (bool)
  at System.Reflection.Assembly.GetTypes () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at infinitegrimm.InfiniteGrimmMod+<>c.<Initialize>b__2_0 (System.Reflection.Assembly assembly) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at System.Linq.Enumerable+<CreateSelectManyIterator>c__Iterator14`3[System.Reflection.Assembly,System.Type,<>f__AnonymousType1`2[System.Reflection.Assembly,System.Type]].MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at System.Linq.Enumerable+<CreateWhereIterator>c__Iterator1D`1[<>f__AnonymousType1`2[System.Reflection.Assembly,System.Type]].MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at System.Linq.Enumerable+<CreateSelectIterator>c__Iterator10`2[<>f__AnonymousType1`2[System.Reflection.Assembly,System.Type],System.Type].MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at System.Linq.Enumerable.Any[Type] (IEnumerable`1 source) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at infinitegrimm.InfiniteGrimmMod.Initialize () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at Modding.ModLoader.LoadMod (IMod mod, Boolean updateModText) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at Modding.ModLoader.LoadMods () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

[young walrus]

And that's it

[compact sedge]

aaaaaaaaaa

[vapid socket]

Well, people must have beaten it somehow

[compact sedge]

send me the whole log

[copper nacelle]

i just overwrote it

fuck

well if it doesn't work again

[young walrus]

Nobody has beaten it

[copper nacelle]

wow it didn't work again

[compact sedge]

wtffff

[young walrus]

Literally zero people

[compact sedge]

is this the google drive version

[copper nacelle]

yes

[young walrus]

The video you posted is segmented

[copper nacelle]

i just used the mod installer

[compact sedge]

nooooo

shit

ok send log

[compact sedge]

so this shit was broken the whole time and I never found out

[copper nacelle]

that or lightbringer somehow broke it

checking w/out lightbringer

[compact sedge]

other modlog pls

oh nvm

[copper nacelle]

i want to kms

installing lightbringer breaks infinite grimm

[compact sedge]

are you 100% sure about this

[copper nacelle]

i mean

[rain cedar]

Make lightbringer not use 100 runtime detours

[copper nacelle]

the output log says something about lightbringer at the bottom

no

[rain cedar]

And it will not break

[compact sedge]

Are you sure enough that I should open a gitlab issue

yes or no

[copper nacelle]

no

[compact sedge]

ok

[copper nacelle]

also it uses like

8

wtf

the stack trace showed up in rider

[compact sedge]

that's cool

how did you do that

[copper nacelle]

idk

i didn't do anything

i just went over there

and it had it

you see the trick here

is to not build for .NET 4.5

and stuff will start working

[compact sedge]

whyyyy

it's 3.5

silly

[exotic venture]

lightbringer messes with charms

[copper nacelle]

ik

i never bother changing it

until it breaks

[compact sedge]

lul

[exotic venture]

so maybe it does something dumb with that

[copper nacelle]

fairly sure hell mod is still on 4.5

[compact sedge]

thank god I don't want people tellin me my mod's broken

[copper nacelle]

no it works now

[compact sedge]

when it's ur mod

[exotic venture]

tfw graig says mod is broken but he just didn't beat regular grim yet

he didn't read the readme

[copper nacelle]

[exotic venture]

and angle here was losing his shit over it

man that was great

[copper nacelle]

i'll move some of the stuff to modhooks instead of runtime detours in a sec

like

update could just be hero update hook

and such

[leaden hedge]

https://gfycat.com/LankyOddDutchsmoushond I made it worse what do

[copper nacelle]

*better

also lightbringer infinite grimm is harder than normal

lmfao

i have charming installed

and i put on heavy blow

for the lightbringer effect

he's gone now

[exotic venture]

heavy broken

he lives

[fair rampart]

yoo boss rush is broken

[copper nacelle]

yoooo that's well known u dungo

it's not being updated due to gng

[young walrus]

Yo fix it

Or wait

[fair rampart]

i spawn under groun

d

[young walrus]

[fair rampart]

wait

/WHAT

NONONONO

IM DONE NOW THIS GAME

[copper nacelle]

[young walrus]

Thank you for your contribution.... Oh wait

[copper nacelle]

@buoyant obsidian are the lances not supposed to break geo and stagger and stuff or was that just not added

[buoyant obsidian]

Stagger would be OP

geo was just a side effect of not wanting to code stuff

[copper nacelle]

cool

[buoyant obsidian]

the nail range was made to be really low so you can still hit geo clumps / break vines

[copper nacelle]

ah

alright

ty

also bloodlust is cool af

[solemn rivet]

k, read all that

KDT making us all happy with his mods

56 being 56

and Mys saying stuff about the comments on the vid

there was a guy who literally responded to mick's comment asking for the discord

[copper nacelle]

[exotic venture]

oh good lord

also nice comment you made

[solemn rivet]

I insulted the guy

no shame

[exotic venture]

well i mean he kinda had it coming

[solemn rivet]

"this is just a cash grab trying to profit on the GnG recent announcement"

because it's tru

did the DashVectorHook pr get accepted?

[compact sedge]

Hey seanpr have you looked at that PR I sent?

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/pull/16

[solemn rivet]

oh

it's still a request

ok

not changing blackmoth yet

[compact sedge]

Sean, If you have the time, and if not then ok, but I would like at least feedback on it before I release redwing because if I don't have that function then I'm gonna need to rework some of my code, and send a PR to gradow so that I can get the dash vector from his mod without reflection when the user dashes.

[solemn rivet]

u gonna parasite my blackmoth

[compact sedge]

I sorta already did

[solemn rivet]

stealing shit is fine

but you're gonna hook on my hooks?

that's

hookception

and dirty

[exotic venture]

wow did you even ask gradow about this

banned from #archived-modding-development tbh

[compact sedge]

Here is my plan. if it doesn't get accepted I'm gonna need to link against blackmoth and call a function in blackmoth from my mod.

otherwise

[fair rampart]

YEA YEA YES CH

[compact sedge]

I could copy the contents of that function to my mod

[solemn rivet]

blackmoth is the new API

[compact sedge]

which is super hacky and bad

[solemn rivet]

[rain cedar]

Yeah whatever I'll merge it

[compact sedge]

lol

[solemn rivet]

smh

[rain cedar]

Breaks blackmoth but gradow seems fine with it

[solemn rivet]

yeah

I can fix it

[compact sedge]

one line to fix blackmoth

[solemn rivet]

but I won't if it doesn't get accepted

[exotic venture]

makes sense since it would still work

[solemn rivet]

also, if KDT actually get the masks thingy working

I'm gonna make the knight's cloak progress from clear white to void black as he gets upgrades in blackmoth

[compact sedge]

if KDT gets the masks thing working you know both of us are taking that code.

[solemn rivet]

ye

we gon steal dat

[copper nacelle]

wtf is update 10

oh

why does this exist

[solemn rivet]

cause

reasons

literally if framecount % 10 == 0 run these methods pretty please

[copper nacelle]

yeah i saw

[solemn rivet]

dunno why you would need that tho

[copper nacelle]

tiny shell

the 25% smaller thingy

[buoyant obsidian]

For tiny shell I just updated all the methods that reset size in general

so it never got reset to 1

then I just set it on enter room

[copper nacelle]

o

[buoyant obsidian]

FacingLeft() method

if (this.playerData.equippedCharm_4)
{
    localScale.x = 0.75f;
}
else
{
    localScale.x = 1f;
}

FacingRight() method

if (this.playerData.equippedCharm_4)
{
    localScale.x = -0.75f;
}
else
{
    localScale.x = -1f;
}

Update10() method

using System;
using System.Collections;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Diagnostics;
using System.Runtime.CompilerServices;
using GlobalEnums;
using UnityEngine;

public partial class HeroController : MonoBehaviour
{
    public void Update10()
    {
        if (this.isGameplayScene)
        {
            this.OutOfBoundsCheck();
        }
        float scaleX = this.transform.GetScaleX();
        if (scaleX < -1f)
        {
            this.transform.SetScaleX(-Math.Abs(this.transform.GetScaleX()));
        }
        if (scaleX > 1f)
        {
            this.transform.SetScaleX(Math.Abs(this.transform.GetScaleX()));
        }
        if (this.transform.position.z != 0.004f)
        {
            this.transform.SetPositionZ(0.004f);
        }
    }
}

tbh I'm not even sure what Update10 does anymore

It's in CharmUpdate so I'm not sure why it's necessary to be there too

[sinful wolf]

mmh I think I saw that once

its called every 10 frames to check out of bound conditions

[solemn rivet]

w h y

[sinful wolf]

haha I don't know, its weird as hell

I think there is another update method that does the same in the HeroController class

but is not called anywhere

[copper nacelle]

Update10 is in HeroController

[compact sedge]

no really why does OutOfBoundsCheck exist when it does nothing

or at least seems to from my perspective

[solemn rivet]

maybe it's

an

F

S

M

seriously tho

[sinful wolf]

it sets the z axis to 0.004f

which is a weird number in its own

[solemn rivet]

there are lots of leftover methods that do nothing

[compact sedge]

What if it works perfectly but returns a bool telling you if you're out of bounds or not and they forgot to actually use it

[copper nacelle]

DownDash

meme

[solemn rivet]

best methods be like if game broke => not

[copper nacelle]

idk these are some of my favorite methods

[compact sedge]

If I ever make an insect theme game I'm adding a function called FixBugs

[sinful wolf]

haha

[solemn rivet]

BackDash

we can only dream

the worst part is

they didn't even remove the unreachable code

like

CanDash checks if you're not backdashing

and I'm like

"I would be, if I could"

[copper nacelle]

wtf

[compact sedge]

maybe they're leaked methods that are coming to GnG

[solemn rivet]

toldya

[copper nacelle]

this causes me pain

[sinful wolf]

yeah, they may be a thing in the future... who knows

[copper nacelle]

this causes me additional pain

[compact sedge]

But yeah I also check for backDashing

[solemn rivet]

it's been like that from the beginning tho

ever since the first public assemblies

plenty of time to fix that imo

[young walrus]

Back dashing was an original idea that was scraped

[solemn rivet]

yeah

[compact sedge]

how would it work

[solemn rivet]

like castlevanias

[compact sedge]

ah

like slain

oh man

that would have made the knight feel slow though

[young walrus]

Basically dashing. No real point to it.

[compact sedge]

since it would have required them to make turning around and normal dashing harder

[solemn rivet]

also, the Knight is way more mobile than castlevania protagonists usually are

until they get the dash abilities in the end

at which point backdash becomes useless

[compact sedge]

that's why I consider it mostly metroid and only a little castlevania

[solemn rivet]

since you get it so early in HK...

[young walrus]

Well SOTN is pretty quick

[compact sedge]

maybe for a speedrunner like you

but to me the knight feels very fast and very responsive

[young walrus]

It's still "slow" but it's nothing like earlier castlevanias

[solemn rivet]

oh, for sure

but I still think the knight has way more mobility

even early on

[young walrus]

Well yeah

[solemn rivet]

and he can pogo/parry

[young walrus]

Unfair comparison imo

[solemn rivet]

which most castlevania characters can't, if any

[leaden hedge]

your boi alucard can dive kick and bounce

[young walrus]

That's just comparing learnings of devs over time

[solemn rivet]

yeah, I know, I'm just saying it makes sense to have backdash in an igavania, but not in HK

[young walrus]

Of course HK will be faster

True

[sinful wolf]

I played a lot of metroidvanias too, and I also feel like the Knigth is quite agile and fast in movement

[compact sedge]

it's a tradeoff. Those games may be slower but they punish you more for attacking when you shouldn't. WIth the knight you can swing your nail at a bad time and still escape danger if you're quick enough

[young walrus]

Maybe. HK is pretty punishing too

[solemn rivet]

inb4 the Knight is a guest character in Bloodstained

not ever happening, but I can dream

[young walrus]

Surprise smash U character

[compact sedge]

HK fighting there's a larger focus on positioning for example imo.

so it's not like it's easier just because there's less focus on attacking at the perfect time

[sinful wolf]

oh man, in smash it will be awesome

[solemn rivet]

just float and never fall down

ez

[young walrus]

Lol

[compact sedge]

pogo in smash

[young walrus]

One dive does 88 percent

[compact sedge]

what could go wrong

[solemn rivet]

flukes does 999%

even tho that's more than the max %

flukes still does it

[young walrus]

And takes multiple stocks

[compact sedge]

flukes are the final smash

[solemn rivet]

cause it's flukes goddamn it

final smash it's the radiance

it comes and rekts everyone

with lazors and spikes and shit

[sinful wolf]

that would be epic

[solemn rivet]

and NKG is an assist

[compact sedge]

I'm down for the knight getting lasers

[solemn rivet]

play Axiom Verge

done

[compact sedge]

I actually haven't gotten around to that yet

[young walrus]

Just make him OP. Oh wait....

[sinful wolf]

I'm currently playing that one, not so into it though

[solemn rivet]

yeah

it was ok

[compact sedge]

but looking at the screenshots

[solemn rivet]

ok exploration, ok-ish combat

[compact sedge]

I really need to

[copper nacelle]

wtf

[solemn rivet]

less than ok story

[copper nacelle]

i was getting an exception

i added 8 log statements

the exception is now gone

[solemn rivet]

see?

logging is always the solution

[sinful wolf]

its just ok for me, audio not so good, some weapons sound like shit

[solemn rivet]

it didn't really click with me, for some reason

idk

I really enjoy the 2d metroid games

but Axiom Verge was like "meh"

[sinful wolf]

same for me

[compact sedge]

darn

[sinful wolf]

maybe the setting

or maybe Hollow Knigth was too good

[copper nacelle]

wow it took a while

but i found where rider absolutely sucks

[solemn rivet]

I played it when it first came out, so can't compare it to HK

[compact sedge]

do tell

[copper nacelle]

their vim emulation is garbage

[solemn rivet]

wdym

[copper nacelle]

can't use g command

can't use normal command to quickly do something to 18 lines at once

[compact sedge]

oh pfft I can hardly use the normal keyboard shortcuts let alone vim ones.

[copper nacelle]

and their vim regexs seem off

i legit copy pasted my switch statement into vim

so i could work on it

turn it into a dictionary

and then paste it back

[solemn rivet]

I like regex

except when I hate it

[compact sedge]

Hell I'm so bad with computers I told you to ping me last night so I'd see it the next day in my discord notifications.

I might as well watch youtube videos through MS word

[copper nacelle]

tbh i'm considering swapping back to vs w/ resharper

but also

10 second project loads

[solemn rivet]

vs+resharper kills my pc

takes like 1.5h to load blackmoth

[copper nacelle]

oof

[compact sedge]

yikes

[solemn rivet]

except it's more like 1min

[compact sedge]

no that's still yikes

[copper nacelle]

i'd move back to VS in a heartbeat but theming Rider took forever

[solemn rivet]

yeah

best reason imo

[copper nacelle]

wtf

i removed the logs

and the exception came back

[solemn rivet]

gonna give rider a shot

boi

[copper nacelle]

it's p great

[solemn rivet]

keep dem logs in

[copper nacelle]

but it's in Update

[compact sedge]

logging fixes problems duh

[solemn rivet]

did I fucking stutter m8

[copper nacelle]

gonna slowly add logs back

until i see which one fixes it

[compact sedge]

5 logs = -1 bugs

[copper nacelle]

i had the same problem in mantis gods once

adding a log fixed it

[solemn rivet]

here's the solution

add the logs

[compact sedge]

I have no idea what kind of code your write that this happens though

[solemn rivet]

but make them debug level

so they won't spam

[copper nacelle]

oh no it didn't fix the exception

it just immediately spammed 300 logs so i couldn't ever see the exception

[compact sedge]

well on the plus side you now have the logs to know why the exception happens

[copper nacelle]

no

that's where ur wrong

[solemn rivet]

[solemn rivet]

that's where the exception happens?

I'm about to Ride

boiii

[copper nacelle]

nice

[solemn rivet]

how many people did we get today from that vid?

like 5 or 6?

[hollow pier]

56

[compact sedge]

Hey Gradow, since you disabled creating merge requests on your project I'll just put the request here:

Please consider merging this branch it fixes the thing I broke. https://gitlab.com/natis1/Blackmoth

[solemn rivet]

WUT

I DID WUT

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

fuck me

[compact sedge]

this last one needs to be checked

[solemn rivet]

y

[compact sedge]

only project members

[solemn rivet]

it should have changed with the upper one tho

big think

[compact sedge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

idk my default was everyone with access

[solemn rivet]

done

sry

fixed

all other mods are fine tho

[compact sedge]

ok making it now

[solemn rivet]

ffs

[compact sedge]

I think so nobody uses DashVectorHook

https://gitlab.com/gradow/Blackmoth/merge_requests/3

[copper nacelle]

smh

zero directional dash uses dash vector hook

[compact sedge]

not open source, can't submit PR

sorry 56

[hollow pier]

submit seanpr

[compact sedge]

Sean is a pull request

I knew it

[copper nacelle]

;submit

[copper nacelle]

@compact sedge

pain

[solemn rivet]

accepted

[compact sedge]

cool

switch to one of those branches 56

[copper nacelle]

i've already forked it

[solemn rivet]

now I need the new API so I won't get red squiggly lines in rider/vs

[copper nacelle]

gonna merge all of them

all of them

[compact sedge]

is the new API even on the drive?

[copper nacelle]

why don't forks copy PRs

reee

[compact sedge]

I built my own binaries for it

[solemn rivet]

I hate compiling API

so much effort

[copper nacelle]

y tho

[compact sedge]

I can send binary

[copper nacelle]

it's like

1 button

[solemn rivet]

no u

u need to like

copy vanilla dlls to vanilla folder

[solemn rivet]

it takes >1 second

[copper nacelle]

simple trick

[solemn rivet]

thx luv u AA

[copper nacelle]

just symlink Managed to Vanilla

[compact sedge]

Also have one for beta but I know nobody uses that

(besides me)

[copper nacelle]

ree

the multicaret one has merge conflicts

multiple have merge conflicts

pain

[copper nacelle]

ok i found something even better

there's a PR that lets you open actual vim

[compact sedge]

nice

[copper nacelle]

meme

[lunar knot]

Quick question how does one turn the menu back on for the debug mod?

[copper nacelle]

F1

ree

[lunar knot]

thx :/

[compact sedge]

ok apparently the knight collider is exactly offset by 0.8

but... vertically

[copper nacelle]

y tho

[compact sedge]

idk but it's in the code

[copper nacelle]

also @buoyant obsidian do you mind if i don't put the lightbringer port on github &/or the drive when i'm done

[buoyant obsidian]

please don't

[tight field]

hey guys i am new here but came someone pls explain all the mods in hollow knight pls?

[compact sedge]

Uh they change the way the game is played, or modify aspects of the game.

[copper nacelle]

ty

also PostBuildEvents are my reason to live

[copper nacelle]

wait what

i thought you had to put a / after the directory if you wanted to copy into it

[compact sedge]

not with cp

[copper nacelle]

delet this

i think i found a bug

in vanilla

[compact sedge]

those don't exist

[copper nacelle]

stand here and nail slash while walking forward

and you start looking OOB

character is still in bounds

[compact sedge]

yeah I had something similar happen but I couldn't repeat without modding api installed

can you try something for me 56

go up one step

but stand in the corner

like how you are on that step but up one level

and walk a small amount to the right

[copper nacelle]

ok

wtf

same thing happens

it happens if you walk into the wall there and then turn around and walk forwards

[compact sedge]

ok so

this happens for me with infinite grimm but not without it

but infinite grimm doesn't modify anything related to the camera

so I suspect

it's a vanilla bug when you have a couple of save variables set that IG sets

[copper nacelle]

ree infinite grimm not toggleable

[compact sedge]

edit your save file to have:

defeatedNightmareGrimm = false troupeInTown = true

and uninstall my mod

and see if it still happens

or maybe idk download a save with those vars set

like the 6 flame

one

[copper nacelle]

uninstalled the mod and bug went away

setting vars rn

wait

haha yes

i have a backup of user3 in json before i loaded lightbringer

jeez

it only has 49 hours on it

and

can't replicate

[compact sedge]

ok

wtf

ill look into it further

https://gitlab.com/natis1/infinitegrimm/issues/36 glad you could confirm this is happening with my mod alone

[copper nacelle]

no this is a great bug

good meme

[compact sedge]

It can make recording stuff for redwing mildly annoying since I record everything in dirtmouth or infested crossroads 1

[copper nacelle]

record in grimm's main room imo

[compact sedge]

it's hard to encounter unless you try to encounter it

[copper nacelle]

what

[compact sedge]

and then it's really easy to encounter

[copper nacelle]

i encountered it before this time

i was testing mantis gods

i thought it was my mod's fault

then gave up

[compact sedge]

ok I have an idea for a fix ima test real quick

that's a lie

I have no clue why this happens

if you have any ideas let me know

[flat forum]

Download GnG

(Okno)

[copper nacelle]

Lightbringer's lost kin 753 geo thing is so cool

[grizzled venture]

i haven’t played light bringer

what is added/changed

[copper nacelle]

shit load of stuff

gruz mother is empress muzznik

all attacks are ranged now

soul regen is passive

a shit load of charms are changed

etc

[hollow lantern]

i've never been able to get mods to work for any game on my computer

no idea why

Lightbringer sounds awesome

[copper nacelle]

have u tried the installer

[hollow lantern]

think so

[copper nacelle]

if you want you can try it again rn and i can try and get them working

[hollow lantern]

aww but then I actually have to do something

I really don't care enough to be productive right now

[copper nacelle]

rip

if you ever want to give it a shot just ping me or ask in #archived-modding-development

[hollow lantern]

I'll get around it it someday

but honestly, I've pulled two all nighters in a row and its 2am

sleeptime

[copper nacelle]

oof

gn

[trail dove]

so uh, am i supposed to be running an older version of the game to use mods?

cuz no matter what mod i try to run, it doesnt work

even the mod api doesnt work, it just makes the title screen lose all options and text except for the title itself.

everything else just makes it blackscreen on startup

[exotic venture]

are you using the correct version of the api and mods?

also nice name

[trail dove]

i think i am? i just grabbed whatever was in the g-drive

[exotic venture]

yeah you have to cross check the version

the current live patch is 1.3.1.5

you have to check if you have the api for that version

and then check if your mods are compatible with it

which one or ones do you want to play?

[trail dove]

the api files im using SAYS theyre for 1.3.1.5

[exotic venture]

did you already extract and overwrite everything?

[trail dove]

ideally id like to play lightbringer or bonfire, but randomizer would be adequate

yeah

[exotic venture]

lightbringer doesn't work on current patch

and also isn't compatible with api mods

[trail dove]

yeah, guessed as much from the version number. :/

[exotic venture]

if you installed lightbringer after getting the api of course things break

it's best to just go with api and get randomizer

then after you're done swap out the DLLs for bonfire

but first, verify your game integrity

get everything fresh