including a .sln file and stuff
#archived-modding-development
solemn rivet
u = genius
unborn badger
what is Charming mod
copper nacelle
@unborn badger Gathering swarm attacks geo nodes when you get go, wayward compass has an on screen 3d cool as fuck map, and heavy blow is broken as fuck
heavy blow is heavy broken
this is gathering swarm
here's wayward compass
https://youtu.be/aMbAT8TjAbg heavy blow
unborn badger
will install
copper nacelle
@compact sedge
compact sedge
Well by default it's mildly broken, maybe slightly underpowered compared to the charming stuff
but you can configure it fully
so
unborn badger
what does QoL mod do
compact sedge
if you don't have infinite grimm, or have a really good score on infinite grimm this is the power of default max level grimmchild: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS3XNqguiIQ
QoL is a bunch of tiny mods to make the game slightly better
removing salubria sounds, skippable credits
pick and choose the ones you want
unborn badger
wow that's pretty broken
compact sedge
It does cost 6 notches
unborn badger
oh
compact sedge
but it definitely gets more broken with each update as I find new fun ways to improve it.
like it didn't used to give you 33 soul every time it attacked
unborn badger
k
stray mirage
@rain cedar was the shitmodst 4 softlock intentional?
rain cedar
It just swaps textures
compact sedge
THERES 4 OF THE THINGS?!?!?!!
stray mirage
but there is a spike in ancestral mound that prevents progress
rain cedar
I have no idea what you're talking about
rain cedar
I don't even know what you mean
rain cedar
None of the textures are even swapped
stray mirage
i know
rain cedar
Is this someone else's screenshot?
compact sedge
would it be possible to override System.Random and Time.DeltaTime?
Because I think if you could it would make TAS totally possible?
solemn rivet
dunno about System.Random
but isn't there something for controlling the game's speed?
compact sedge
no I'm not talking about timescale
I'm talking about explicitly telling the game how much time passed between 2 frames regardless of the actual real life time pass
so then you can be sure that it's consistent
and that lag spikes don't desync your TAS run
solemn rivet
oh
hollow pier
monomon haha
rain cedar
A lot of Unity isn't C#
compact sedge
and for System.Random, overriding it to use explicit seeds given by an arbitrary starting time plus how ever much "time" has passed
rain cedar
So it's not nearly as easily accessible
compact sedge
ok so the internal function that runs to produce the Time.DeltaTime value may not be accessable but there's still a c# thing making it accessible to the game right?
and you could override that and replace it with an entirely c# function that, say, returns a static float??
rain cedar
Time.deltaTime is an externally defined float with only get
But yeah maybe we could replace the get
copper nacelle
doesn't the game use UnityEngine's random a bunch too
rain cedar
Not sure what those attributes do, would have to look into it
Yeah 56 probably
Ok that MethodImpl attribute is for calling C code
Ok it compiled with this
Now to see if HK still works
Yeah it works
rain cedar
Shit is fucked though obviously since I'm running 500 fps
compact sedge
oh you did
rain cedar
Yeah that number is 1/60f
compact sedge
but it works?
rain cedar
Yeah
compact sedge
Alright well that's one problem y'all had with tasing solved
compact sedge
IMO for random.
gonna want an arbitrary seed for the first random called, and for all future randoms a seed based on the amount of (fake) deltaTime that has passed since the first one
since random's default seed is based on the system time I believe
dunno about unity random though
and ofc if the game specifies a seed then just use that as normal
copper nacelle
couldn't you just change it to something like
the mean of the min and max
so nothing would be random
compact sedge
the problem with setting the seed as static for all randoms is it makes the tas not work on unmodded hardware even in theory
since unmodded hardware has the clock constantly incrementing
plus it would probably result in weird boss behavior
compact sedge
well I don't trust playmaker to not be making a new System.Random every time it needs one random number and every time you make a new one you need a new seed and that seed is either specified in an argument or gotten from the system time.
copper nacelle
make the constructor just return a premade system.random
wait
why not just override all the functions
to return like
7
or something
compact sedge
because at that point you're not tassing HK you're tassing a game that's almost identical to HK but differs in subtle ways that make it effectively not HK
rain cedar
I've overriden deltaTime and fixedDeltaTime and player physics are still normal speed
I think the C part of Rigidbody2D is directly accessing the right values in C
compact sedge
IMO @copper nacelle all tasses should be repeatable by a perfect robot playing HK on a perfect, unmodded computer. Perfect unmodded computers don't exist so the best you can do is modify certain functions like time to simulate perfect unmodded hardware.
copper nacelle
if they're making new system.random's couldn't you just change all their methods to use normal System.Random instead
or make all the instance methods of System.Random return the static stuff
rain cedar
They don't even use the system random
compact sedge
ever?
rain cedar
Maybe something they do indirectly uses it
There's all the potentially relevant results
compact sedge
wtf does the game use WebSockets for?
rain cedar
My guess would be it doesn't
PlayerDataTracker uses it
So that's probably why it's in my dnspy
UnityEngine.Random stores its seed as 4 ints in a struct
But the ints are all private
???
compact sedge
If you get them with reflection maybe you can reverse engineer how they go about getting those. or be lazy and do what 56 said I guess.
or maybe it's in the docs idk
copper nacelle
what's wrong with just changing the seeds all to like 7
flat forum
what are you trying to do tho?
copper nacelle
TAS hk
rain cedar
It's not gonna work
Too much shit Unity does is inaccessible without god tier asm modding
compact sedge
The seed is normally set from some arbitrary value like the system clock before the random number functions are used. Thanks for being specific about how you set your seed unity.
some arbitrary value
aka could be literally anything and change between unity versions
imo replace it with system.random
rain cedar
Yeah obviously
copper nacelle
loss_pollitoz more like | || || L pollitoz
scenic slate
would it be possible to make a mod where trial of the fool is infinate and enemies gain more hp and dmg as it goes on?
wow
copper nacelle
infinate
scenic slate
fit me m8
copper nacelle
infinite grimm meme
also iirc graig was asking for that a bit back
i think it's possible
rain cedar
You can probably just grab the already made waves and cycle through them randomly forever
coral creek
guys im trying to downgrade from lifeblood because i want to play the bossrush mod
but how do i actually downgrade?
coral creek
thanks
misty cedar
Hey, can anyone explain to me how to use the online hollow knight randomizer helper? I've put the hollow_knight_Data folder of the Modding API 1.3.1.5 in the steamapps common Hollow Knight folder but I don't know what to do next.
errant oar
is the bonfire mod still a thing or no
exotic venture
it exists
leaden hedge
You could probably edit the exe via asm to make time always fixed even for stuff that skips the c# field but sounds pretty cancer to find relevant code in asm
mossy pike
@misty cedar the randomizer helper is only a way of knowing which item locations you can reach with the items you currently have, it doesn't take part in the installation of the randomizer. To install the rando, you need to get the Randomizer Mod and Mod Common from the GDocs folder (2nd message in the pinned messages) and follow the instructions
after you put everything in its right place, just launch the game and create a new save. Then, to use the helper, you check the boxes in "Key Item" once you've acquired the corresponding item and check the boxes in "Obtainable Items" once you've reached the corresponding location
unborn badger
is randomizer 2.0 broken?
rain cedar
In what way?
unborn badger
with randomizer 2.0 installed when i load the game up it's just the title and no options
rain cedar
You need modcommon
copper nacelle
installer reeeeeee
leaden hedge
maybe modcommon should add a function thats called when it isn't installed that installs it 
errant oar
does it not work with the current lifeblood version?
exotic dune
randomizer works fine
wary drift
how do i edit hollow knight files with unity?
compact sedge
First question. What are you tryting to do?
wary drift
i want to know how to edit the files to change simple in game things
compact sedge
can you be more specific?
flat forum
Damage is easiest
compact sedge
Alright. For that I don't think you need the unity editor at all, and better not to use it probably
flat forum
Or at least nail damage
compact sedge
Basically for these kinds of variables I think the only or at least easiest way to modify them is by coding them directly
wary drift
oh oke
wary drift
just backing up hollow knight
compact sedge
this is a program designed to make writing code a lot easier
Even though it's not the best one around, you can probably get the most help here and in other servers using a program called Visual Studio.
(plus it's free)
wary drift
what about python?
compact sedge
The problem is this. The game is written in C# and so it's easiest and (possibly required) that you modify the game in this language as well
wary drift
kk
compact sedge
So I guess if I was to write a guide it would go something like this:
-
Download Visual Studio Community Edition 2017 from here: https://www.visualstudio.com/thank-you-downloading-visual-studio/?sku=Community&rel=15
-
Download the modding API and optionally modcommon.
-
After installing Visual Studio Community, create a new project and that new project should be a "Class Library" using the .Net framework 3.5. Name it whatever you wanna name your mod.
-
Right click on the project folder on the right and choose add reference. Add as a reference the modding API assembly DLL, and a few DLLs from your game folder, including PlayMaker UnityEngine UnityEngine.UI and optionally ModCommon
-
Copy code from other mod projects, including the example projects in the modding API folder
-
...
-
Release the next lightbringer or whatever.
copper nacelle
nice <>
compact sedge
fixed it
compact sedge
you know I like verbose stuff
copper nacelle
true
compact sedge
so I have a biased opinion
solemn rivet
@wary drift if you want to edit things just for your own use, I'd suggest using dnspy instead of VS
compact sedge
it depends ofc but I wouldn't even for my own use. writing mods that way may save marginal amounts of time but keeping those kinds of mods up to date with the game is a nightmare so unless it's for a 1 off meme then don't bother
solemn rivet
yeah that's mostly why we moved away from editing the assembly directly
that and legal issues with distributing the game's assembly
compact sedge
if HK was written in unreal or something and made in c++/c you could mod it without either modhooks or editing the assembly directly.
Because you could use LD_PRELOAD or whatever the windows version of that is to override original functions much in the way monomod hooks lets you do.
But the down side is the original code, variable and function names, etc, would be destroyed.
compact sedge
you figure it out by disassembling it and figuring out what the assembly does
obfuscated games are the same way
but people can do
it
leaden hedge
might aswell use asm then
I used it to add hitboxes to gg xrd rev and it was cancer
I'd rather not make a real mod that way
compact sedge
look if minecraft can be modded and runescape can have custom clients it's clearly possible to deobfuscate stuff given enough time
copper nacelle
but do you want to
compact sedge
and I know those are java but it's the same problem
leaden hedge
but neither of those are compiled
copper nacelle
doesn't java decompile with function names
leaden hedge
it does
compact sedge
yes it's a lot like c#
leaden hedge
minecraft and runescape use another program
compact sedge
but if you obfuscate it you can hide almost everything
leaden hedge
to replace all the function names
compact sedge
not just replacing the function names, also all the variables, and changing them around so one function becomes 3 or 4
median trout
Hey, I'm probably missing something obvious, but I don't know how to install modcommon. I have it downloaded, but the installer file isn't working
copper nacelle
wdym
compact sedge
Anyway all I did was I added a CallMethod to an FSM and I just have to say this is BY FAR the easiest and most reliable way to add a hook to anything that relies on an FSM. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454877739133173760/457958250416177164/amazing-12.mp4 . Worked perfectly first try, no need for monomod hooks (yet) or anything. @solemn rivet
solemn rivet
nice!
leaden hedge
but thats much more readable than
mov eax, number
or eax, eax
jz _exit
bsr edx, eax
mov ecx, 31
sub ecx, edx
shl eax, cl
lea edx, buff
@@:
shl eax, 1
setc BYTE PTR[edx]
add BYTE PTR[edx], 30h
inc edx
inc ecx
cmp ecx, 32
jl @B
_exit:
asm is considerably more cancer than obsfucated code
compact sedge
the only parts of asm that matter are the parts where it calls functions
and there's tools for navigating it much like the tool for navigating fsms
and there's programs that can generate code from assembly, although definitely not the original code
And very many times there will be ONE version of a program that accidentally gets released with debugging symbols
it happened to guild wars 2 so no game is safe imo.
median trout
When I tried to use the installer file in modcommon, it just says "the system cannot find the path specified"
compact sedge
???
copper nacelle
what installer file
leaden hedge
bcminer.exe obviously
median trout
The install_build.bat
leaden hedge
compact sedge
https://gitlab.com/gradow/ModInstaller/uploads/100f494bf4112f2fb029db2bef94e0f4/ModInstaller.exe just use this imo wtf are you doing
median trout
I have no idea what I'm doing, thanks
compact sedge
just boycott mods that use modding api
leaden hedge
ye
copper nacelle
just boycott all mods
leaden hedge
they pretty gay
we need to go back to the good old days
of manually patching the assembly
compact sedge
just boycott video games with mods
rain cedar
I was gonna make that joke
leaden hedge
ill delete my message so you can make it for $3.99
compact sedge
thanks ubisoft
rain cedar
I think there's better things to spend my money on
copper nacelle
yw
leaden hedge
think of the pride and accompishment you'd get
rain cedar
I could buy lootboxes with that
compact sedge
for $3.99 I'll delete 4 random messages I've sent in this discord server.
compact sedge
Dash vector hook should let you get the current dash vector
instead of having 0 inputs and return a new dash vector.
solemn rivet
pr when
compact sedge
I'll send a PR to modding api if sean accepts it but then it'd break blackmoth
but I'll do it anyway
because it's a 1 line fix
copper nacelle
whomst is streaming asset rando + rando
copper nacelle
solemn rivet
much appreciate
compact sedge
Alright I have no idea how to get the original game's dash vector
leaden hedge
ask nicely
copper nacelle
^
compact sedge
so uhh right now I have a nullable vector2 that will be null if you're the first mod to run the hook and will be whatever the last mod set otherwise.
but that feels... idk something about that feels wrong
copper nacelle
shouldn't it be the original if you're the first mod to run the hook
compact sedge
if you're the first mod to run the hook then the hook will give you a null Vector2 and if you're the second mod to run the hook then it will give you a Vector2 that is whatever the last mod's vector2 was.
copper nacelle
yeah ik
but shouldn't the first mod get the game's original vector
and then the second mod get the last mod's
etc
compact sedge
the game's original vector isn't like a thing I can get that's the problem
copper nacelle
what's the hook called again
compact sedge
DashVectorHook
and here's the original code:
private extern void orig_Dash();
private void Dash()
{
AffectedByGravity(false);
ResetHardLandingTimer();
if (dash_timer > DASH_TIME)
{
FinishedDashing();
return;
}
// Check if we run our own dash code.
Vector2? vector = ModHooks.Instance.DashVelocityChange();
if (vector == null)
{
// Run the original dash code.
orig_Dash();
return;
}
rb2d.velocity = vector.Value;
dash_timer += Time.deltaTime;
}```so modded dash as done by the modding api is separate from the original game dash best I can tell
and I could change this to:
Vector2? vector = null;
vector = ModHooks.Instance.DashVelocityChange(vector);
which would let multiple mods integrate with each other but would not fix the problem that there seems to be NO original dash vector.
copper nacelle
change orig_dash to not set rb2d velocity and have it set vector instead maybe?
these ones
compact sedge
I can't change orig_dash as far as I can tell
copper nacelle
wait what
compact sedge
Oh you mean rewrite orig_dash to just do it the same way it's done in modding api
I could do that
copper nacelle
yeah
have it set vector instead of rb2d.velocity
and then set rb2d.velocity to vector at the end
weary oyster
having to relearn all muscle memory for regular grimm now
smh thanks @compact sedge
compact sedge
but regular grimm isn't even hard by comparison
copper nacelle
yeah but infinite grimm fucks your muscle memory for when he's as slow as a snail
like
pogoing him thrice at 2x speed is different than at 1x
compact sedge
that's what regular mode is for
to build your muscle memory against regular NKG
and hard mode
copper nacelle
:ech:
compact sedge
is for having fun
leaden hedge
who is the monster that makes garbage now 
compact sedge
ok dnSpy console rocks
copper nacelle
ur welcome
median trout
I have the charm notch and randomizer mod installed, and just beat the false knight. For some reason if I try to leave the room, the game doesn't load the next room or something, it just continuously shows the loading screen (black screen w/ the knight walking in the bottom right corner)
copper nacelle
Enter from the right side at dream nail
Don't interact with it after entering from the left
young walrus
the dnail thing is super niche
copper nacelle
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
median trout
I don't even have dreamnail yet (if that has anything to do with it)
compact sedge
uh one problem. I can't access: this.BUMP_VELOCITY_DASH or this.BUMP_VELOCITY
how do you do reflection again argh
leaden hedge
you google: site:stackoverflow reflection c hashtag
compact sedge
actually they're just consts
even though they're not consts in the original code
because TC gud coders I guess
no really, it's a private float assigned at compile time and used two places but not actually marked as const.
why?
It's even in all caps as a const should be
leaden hedge
yes
compact sedge
also should I put the dash vector getting code in its own separate private function or just add it to Dash
cool I made the changes and think it works, amazingly
ugh now I have to build modding api twice once for the beta version
compact sedge
so uh I have a problem
I changed this:
internal Vector2 DashVelocityChange()
to
internal Vector2 DashVelocityChange(Vector2 change)
but rider is still suggesting that I create DashVectorHook without a vector2, which causes a reflection exception when it tries to subscribe to it.
copper nacelle
ignore rider ez
compact sedge
uhh what am I doing wrong
compact sedge
no
but it does a bunch of reflection errors if I try running it
how do I set what it requires
compact sedge
oh nvm ur right
I found it
Assembly-CSharp/Handlers.cs: public delegate Vector2 DashVelocityHandler();
๐คฆ
compact sedge
yep
works 100% I think
https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/pull/16 alright. Wish me luck I guess...
this will break blackmoth but the fix is super tiny. But now I'm worried about people who update one but not the other.
it works both with mods that use the hook and without them and functions as advertised though as far as I can tell
solemn rivet
if it is so, then great
compact sedge
ok thanks. I just figured it would make sense to do this change since basically every other function with a return also provides something you can return as an argument
solemn rivet
yeah, it makes tons of sense
weary oyster
solemn rivet
oh boi
exotic venture
- Bonfire
exotic venture
well that one is fucking broken as shit
hollow pier
if shitmodst isnt in it im disliking
solemn rivet
it's literally the mod I'm least proud of
exotic venture
so this video is already up to a good start
compact sedge
- Glass Soul: Shows footage from normal game
exotic venture
- glass soul
copper nacelle
randomizer
exotic venture
wow
hollow pier
rando 2 is pretty good
copper nacelle
lightbringer
exotic venture
HAHAHAHA
hollow pier
lightbringer 
exotic venture
wow ok
copper nacelle
- Bonfire
- Glass Soul
- Debug Mod
- Randomizer
- Lightbringer
exotic venture
did this guy even do research
copper nacelle
rip me
compact sedge
thanks 56
hollow pier
how can you showcase lightbringer but not the superior shitmodst
copper nacelle
yw
solemn rivet
who is that guy
compact sedge
Lightbringer should say:
Play Shitmodst
in the bottom at all times
compact sedge
wait does glass soul not actually work?
exotic venture
bonfire is borderline broken
hollow pier
arent they all broken
exotic venture
randomizer works
leaden hedge
how can you not list the ultimate mod of all time ngg
solemn rivet
borderline 
compact sedge
hell mod NGG
young walrus
who is this person?
compact sedge
when
leaden hedge
hell mod isn't even hard
hollow pier
ur not even hard
leaden hedge
at 69x speed
hollow pier
when is infinite ngg
solemn rivet
117k subs wtf
hollow pier
thats like 19 hk discords
leaden hedge
what if language isn't in englando
solemn rivet
compact sedge
yeah I need to localize my stuff
young walrus
debug mod can't spawn random mobs tho.....
young walrus
this dude got debug mod completely wrong
compact sedge
wtf I just heard that
exotic venture
hey this is a good one
compact sedge
look the dude talked about glass soul for 3 minutes without showing ANY footage of it
hollow pier
almost like starting the video at the same time means you reach the same point at the same time
hella woke
exotic venture
he says glass soul you die in one hit = game over
but that is glass steel soul
this fucking guy 
exotic venture
i am gonna write an essay
compact sedge
ice soul
exotic venture
hold on
young walrus
literally not even learning about the mods he's talking about
solemn rivet
let's all comment on his vid
hollow pier
hi gonna write an essay
solemn rivet
and dislike it
hollow pier
already disliked because no shitmodst
exotic venture
i disliked it because of the sheer amount of misinformation
solemn rivet
precisely mys
hollow pier
comment play shitmodst
leaden hedge
lightbringer a "little" broken
leaden hedge
because it was the 5 random mods he had installed at the time
leaden hedge
no actual selection or research
solemn rivet
TC themlseves advocated for that mod
compact sedge
well 4 random mods
copper nacelle
also glass soul over everything else
hollow pier
kdt improved his modder status by at least 2 places with pdt alone
solemn rivet
bonfire is not serious at all
leaden hedge
from what to what
young walrus
"If people want to know what these mods ACTUALLY do, come visit us on the Discord server. We'll get you sorted."
solemn rivet
from KDT to PDT ofc
hollow pier
no wonder you beat him
copper nacelle
firzen isnโt even a modder anymore
hollow pier
wow rip firzen
leaden hedge
pretty sure when I made PDT, me, 753, sean and firzen were the only modders
young walrus
comments section isn't even loading for me
but i'm gonna type that as soon as i can
hollow pier
drifting light
I think Grimm is just a mod boss fight
copper nacelle
what
hollow pier
wait seans a modder too i always forget that
compact sedge
it's true grimm isn't in vanilla
hollow pier
doesnt affect kdt's placement tho
drifting light
a Halloween mod
hollow pier
number 80
solemn rivet
which one of you did this
leaden hedge
wow rude
copper nacelle
compact sedge
shh
copper nacelle
thatโs angle
leaden hedge
what about boss rush though
hollow pier
do i just comment some copypasta
compact sedge
oh cmon I can't put all the problems in one comment
exotic venture
i'm still writing
hollow pier
qol is the real mod
leaden hedge
a mod so good TC broke it on purpose
hollow pier
angle just reply to your comment to add points
solemn rivet
boss rush was a good mod
hollow pier
its what the cool kids do
drifting light
WAS
copper nacelle
Boss rush was great
drifting light
Wait
drifting light
why i say it was a good mod?
compact sedge
Man those "Team Cherry" modders are really good at the game.
drifting light
I didnยดt even played it
copper nacelle
inb4 tc steals lightbringer
compact sedge
Send them a cease and desist
drifting light
I laughed when i knew the best Fallout New Vegas mod was from the creator itself
leaden hedge
can I dmca myself
copper nacelle
doesnโt stuff based on gpl have to be open sourced
compact sedge
hint hint
solemn rivet
I was honestly thinking of adding that to blackmoth
hollow pier
i like using apostrophes `
leaden hedge
cloak colour would be slightly awkward I guess
hollow pier
Did you know you can put the Dark Souls bonfire system in Hollow Knight? Well here, I'll show you how to do that and more using some of the most creative mods I could find throughout Reddit and the Discord server.
drifting light
Why?
leaden hedge
its not paletted so you'd actually have to cut out the cloak from every sprite
and render it seperately
compact sedge
yeah I don't know the best way to do it but I wanna try some time to implement that in redwing
leaden hedge
then you could just apply a colour to that sprite
exotic venture
he said he downloaded all these mods
compact sedge
I might just scan the knight sprite for colors that are cloak colored
compact sedge
and then
exotic venture
but does that mean he downpatched for lightbringer
compact sedge
set those to the color I want
leaden hedge
make shader
compact sedge
ok
young walrus
"I downloaded all these, but then didn't show any footage of randomizer or glass soul mod"
leaden hedge
change hue based on that
compact sedge
but like the cloak's position moves
compact sedge
ok well first person to do this in an open source project gets their code stolen by me.
solemn rivet
^seconded
leaden hedge
im gonna do it, but make sure my license is non-permissive
compact sedge
reeeee
compact sedge
omg can't wait for 1200 people to get confused installing the mods from there
because 0 people read the readme
you know, the text file that says: THIS MOD NEEDS MODCOMMON YOU IDIOT
hollow pier
who reads the readme just listen to it lmao
compact sedge
wait I know
young walrus
sighs
be prepared for a bunch of really confused people asking for help
thanks random dude
leaden hedge
just change the link lmfao
young walrus
lol
hollow pier
isnt that the entire modding channel
young walrus
it's like.... 10% of it
leaden hedge
the modding tag is just to scare away normies
compact sedge
Guys: We should all make videos telling people how to install mod X for hollow knight. And have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WPCLda_erI plus notepad
weary oyster
let the bodies hit the floor is more my jam tbh
compact sedge
and all the videos will just be how to download gradow's mod installer and use it
hollow pier
but gradow you arent proud of bonfire
solemn rivet
I'm not
hollow pier
hi not
solemn rivet
how bonfire came to be:
"I know nothing about coding. I know, I should do some really hard project to learn it!"
BOOM
leaden hedge
remake bonfire but good
solemn rivet
bonfire
hollow pier
bonfire is good as is
solemn rivet
"really hard"
hollow pier
modding is just breaking the game right
compact sedge
see infinitegrimm was "I know nothing about C#. I know, I should do something that sounds really easy to learn it!"
and then it turned out to be slightly harder than I thought
because fsms
solemn rivet
the opposite happened to me
the hardest part of bonfire was figuring out the GUI
and the formulas
hollow pier
who uses C# when you can use Db
leaden hedge
ngg came to be:
fuk people in discussion lmao
solemn rivet
because KDT and Wyza did all the fsm stuff for me at the time
sinful wolf
lol just saw the The Superforged video and got into this discord to know more about modding, would really like to give it a try myself modding
compact sedge
I def stole a lot of FSM stuff and I wouldn't be here without modcommon fsm dumper
solemn rivet
I honestly planned on making a series of videos on my channel showcasing every mod
hollow pier
and it begins
solemn rivet
but for language issues, I scrapped the idea
leaden hedge
the prophesied one appears
solemn rivet
oh no
leaden hedge
the end times are near
sinful wolf
haha
exotic venture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYi-MVwOu4&lc=UgzyRtXC857c3tSstHt4AaABAg place our bets at how many angry people i will get
sinful wolf
was going to keep silent but what gives
hollow pier
highlighted
weary oyster
because you clicked on a link
exotic venture
check link
compact sedge
"Debug Mod is a necessity"
WRONG
solemn rivet
you should comment too ptkyr
exotic venture
compact sedge
it implies you need debug mod to survive
leaden hedge
its not highlighted for me
compact sedge
really you only need it to survive if you install blackmoth
and clip yourself out of bounds
and can't get back in
exotic venture
dunno
solemn rivet
hey
exotic venture
i see stuff break all the time
hollow pier
i needed debug mod to survive on my first playthrough
solemn rivet
maybe you wanted to get oob, ok?
hollow pier
that 3000 dmg nail came in clutch
compact sedge
hey it's not your fault that the OOB respawn point is also out of bounds
blame TC
for not setting it somewhere sane
on most maps
solemn rivet
AA gets me
hollow pier
is this the second coming
solemn rivet
@sinful wolf btw what did you want to know? Sorry for all the shitposting
leaden hedge
unrelated to your insistent shitposting, does anyone have nkg sprites lying about
I accidently deleted my dump of all sprites
hollow pier
arent there sprites in art
leaden hedge
arts gay
hollow pier
big think
exotic venture
oh no are you the guy who wants to mod hollow knight till it breaks
sinful wolf
@solemn rivet its ok, its quite amazing to find this discord after all this time, been a huge fan of the game for a while now
solemn rivet
^
sinful wolf
I would love to get into modding the game
compact sedge
that doesn't answer the question. modding has 2 meanings
solemn rivet
ye
compact sedge
to make mods, and to apply mods to your game
sinful wolf
I'm a Unity Developer, I already took a look at the game code and made some private projects mimicing some parts of the Hero.cs class
leaden hedge
well I wouldn't mimic anything this game does
solemn rivet
we ascend bois
compact sedge
... well we have an actual modding api.
sinful wolf
but I guess for modding there must be some things outside of unity I must know
solemn rivet
well
compact sedge
have you ever done any scripting in Unity?
solemn rivet
who wants to give the bad news?
compact sedge
let's lessen the blow
sinful wolf
lol sorry just realized I didn't answer the question clearly xd I want to develop a mod
leaden hedge
what do you want to mod
hollow pier
celeste
sinful wolf
@compact sedge yep, a lot of scripting, thats what I do actually, just never developed mod a game before
leaden hedge
well this is the wrong server for celeste
compact sedge
ok well was that scripting in java script or c#?
leaden hedge
but I can help you with that
solemn rivet
oh boi I've been playing Moonlighter lately, and I wanna mod it so badly
sinful wolf
C#
compact sedge
who wants to give the good news?
solemn rivet
so
exotic venture
good news: you can mod it freely
bad news: you're gonna be stuck in fsm hell forever
solemn rivet
wait - how is that good?
leaden hedge
bad news: we have a barely functional viewer
compact sedge
good news: FSMs aren't that bad when you learn them
solemn rivet
oh, ok
compact sedge
bad news: learning them
sinful wolf
yea, I decompiled the game and noticed playmaker x_x
solemn rivet
yeah
compact sedge
better news: lots of non-fsm stuff you can do thanks to the modding api
leaden hedge
thats why I asked what you wanted to mod
solemn rivet
I still don't get you, AA
leaden hedge
as certain things are "good luck"
and other are yeah we have a hook for that
solemn rivet
send cod pls
compact sedge
will do 1 sec
leaden hedge
no
solemn rivet
much obliged
sinful wolf
what do you mean by fsm?
compact sedge
finite state machine
solemn rivet
finite state machine
leaden hedge
finite state machine
compact sedge
it's a thing that playmaker which is a unity addon uses
and playmaker is a thing that HK uses A LOT
sinful wolf
oh I see
solemn rivet
flowchart generator โข
sinful wolf
is that why a lot of classes seem to have like 100 variables?
compact sedge
leaden hedge
instead of actually coding the game, they have files that gets compiled to code at runtime
solemn rivet
lemme see...
compact sedge
give it ANY instance (even one outside that gameobject) of a monobehavior and any method
and it will run it
on the fsm
sinful wolf
well they managed to do the game with that so I guess it works?
compact sedge
those 5 lines are all you need to do any arbitrary code on any fsm
leaden hedge
nah cause they had to recode huge chunks of the game
and it took them like 6 months
to get it running at 60fps on switch
compact sedge
^
compact sedge
an entire fsm just for health
solemn rivet
and they removed all of them
compact sedge
seriously
sinful wolf
wow
solemn rivet
yeah, and every enemy object had one
solemn rivet
thank god for that
enemyhpbars is great because of that
also - hey! Why didn't he mention that mod? It's great!
sinful wolf
I don't know at firts it seems like he had the 5 more interesting but at some point of the video it says those 5 are the ones he managed to play xD
solemn rivet
I just realized this
compact sedge
possibly even 3
compact sedge
well then it'd be top 6 mods
sinful wolf
jaja
solemn rivet
well, anyway
we use a decompiler, like dnspy, to look at the game's code
and we use the API to inject our own code during runtime
compact sedge
we all use dnspy, don't beat around the bush
sinful wolf
might need to try that one
compact sedge
even I do and I can't even run dnspy gui
solemn rivet
dnspy is bae
sinful wolf
I use resharper at work so I used that to decompiled the game once
sinful wolf
oh cool
solemn rivet
I use VS because me = scrub
sinful wolf
well VS here too so...
compact sedge
I switched to rider and it suggested a bunch of stuff to make my code look better
so I was like ok
and now my code looks half decent
solemn rivet
the converse doesn't hold - not everyone who uses VS is a scrub
just me
I just use resharper with VS and it suggests lots of nice things
give up
you're embarrassing yourself
invert that if
sinful wolf
hahaha
compact sedge
the problem is resharper + VS uses a lot more ram and is a lot slower than rider.
sinful wolf
freking inverting all if
solemn rivet
tru dat
compact sedge
I'm not ashamed to say I like how most inverted ifs look
solemn rivet
sinful wolf
the problem when inverting ifs is the readability sometimes is not clear
solemn rivet
^
sinful wolf
like "if this not happens do this"
compact sedge
that's the other thing. I changed my IDE settings to encourage a lot of verbosity and explicitness
sinful wolf
which sometimes is weird, you want to do things when something happens, not when it doesnt
compact sedge
to make it clear what's happening
solemn rivet
https://gitlab.com/gradow/Blackmoth/blob/master/BlackmothMod.cs#L207 it suggested inverting these ifs
compact sedge
lol
sinful wolf
wow
solemn rivet
I'm like "nah, I like to know what's setting my damages, thank you"
sinful wolf
hahaha
solemn rivet
not yet
compact sedge
I'm being safe and also all my code mirrors to github
so
I can just push to gitlab
rain cedar
Yeah pretty much my thinking KDT
compact sedge
and have it on 2 places
rain cedar
Not gonna bother moving unless they ruin it
solemn rivet
but wait until they add battle royale to github
sinful wolf
I'm still in Bitbucket, hopefully not the next in line
solemn rivet
but, yeah, that's the gist of it, EGF
sinful wolf
cool thanks :) so dnspy, fsm hell and using names abbreviations to refer to each other, got it G
leaden hedge
just become abbreviations
compact sedge
esp u 5 and G and FP and BB and T
and probably other people
I wonder how many of those are ambiguous abbreviations in this server
sinful wolf
probably a lot
compact sedge
You called yourself mys for a while
hollow pier
hi tery
exotic dune
misty terry
compact sedge
true but when I read AA in reference to my name I still think anti air, or that one really good shotgun.
maybe I play too many shooters
leaden hedge
anti aliasing imo
warped sinew
Alcoholics Anonymous
solemn rivet
dunno what u talkin' about m8
compact sedge
oh shit graig found me out
leaden hedge
graig leak gng thanks bye
warped sinew
Its already out, TC rolled it out to all steam accounts except yours KDT. As a joke
leaden hedge
wow nice
solemn rivet
TIL I'm KDT too
leaden hedge
we are all kdt on this blessed day
warped sinew
BB
solemn rivet
2B
compact sedge
AA imo
warped sinew
Aยฒ
compact sedge
that works too
warped sinew
Angel
compact sedge
don't call me avenging because that sounds dumb although I guess you could
solemn rivet
oh, btw, how did you even find that vid, Ax2u?
opaque nest
Are there any mods that allow changing the appearance of the knight?
solemn rivet
not atm
compact sedge
probably subscribed given how quickly they posted it
solemn rivet
so what happened is
we just shitposted on the comments of one of ax2u's subbed channels
nice
compact sedge
pretty much
opaque nest
That's a shame. I was hoping their might be something to alter the mask or cloak color for the knight. Like if someone recolored/adjusted the sprites for the heads of the sibling enemies to work on the the knight and make them available at the Mask Maker in Deepnest or something.
solemn rivet
that's a nice thought
solemn rivet
get to it, KDT
compact sedge
yeah KDT imagine the glory and gods you could get making a mod like that
leaden hedge
yeah im totally gonna make a mod for some guy that watched a yt vid 20m ago
compact sedge
(I'd legit commission a clock recoloring mod if you could do it for 4 dollars but I know it would cost more than that)
and by clock I mean cloak
solemn rivet
we can recolor the clock too, if that's what you want
opaque nest
didn't watch the vid Twas just a thought. Recoloring cloaks would probably be easier. But I imagine reworking the knight's mask on the sprite sheet would have to be done from scratch to facilitate some of the animations like the Desolate Dive/Descending Darkness where the knight looks straight down..
compact sedge
(in all seriousness I wonder how much I'd have to pay to get someone to make for me a mod that changed the cloak and just the cloak to an arbitrary color.)
warped sinew
Til TC should charge 3.99 for reskins
leaden hedge
put lootboxes in the lootboxes
exotic venture
sell the keys separately
opaque nest
Gonna make it rain
exotic venture
yes
solemn rivet
totally different thing
compact sedge
90% of the things in them are sprays
floral furnace
Mothwing Cloak | Royal White (Factory New) in the Pale King Case
solemn rivet
entirely
compact sedge
which disappear after 2 seconds
solemn rivet
please suggest these, Graig
warped sinew
A negative skin would be nice, white eyes black mask, white cape
compact sedge
what if you set the knight gamma to -1
would that make it negative?
I don't know how the gamma curve works but
ok ima try it for funsies, not expecting much
opaque nest
Would be a cool 'Shade' form. I imagine it might be an issue for the player to know when they're actually using shade cloak though..
I mean, you would still see the knight pass through enemies/attacks without the damage animation going off; but part of the visual feedback is seeing the transition happen.
compact sedge
ok nvm idk how to set gamma on individual tk2dSprite sprites
buoyant obsidian
leaden hedge
no
compact sedge
I can neither confirm nor deny if I'd actually pay very small amounts of money for specific parts of knight recoloring code. Definitely not for just a recolor, or a closed source recoloring mod.