#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 96

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:27 AM

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58596 objects :O

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why does it exist 11 times?

pearl sentinel May 18, 2018, 4:28 AM

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Probably different uses of it

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Or different prefabs with the same name

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Alrighty well, that confirms you got the right name of the object

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:29 AM

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so when SpawnObjectFromGlobalPool spawns it which one of those does it spawn and does it even matter?

pearl sentinel May 18, 2018, 4:31 AM

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No real way to know without dumping all the info in the game object

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:32 AM

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w/e anyway what I really want to know is how to spawn a modified object from any action, like say I have an object stored in my game code.

rain cedar May 18, 2018, 4:32 AM

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CallMethodProper is your friend

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Basically an action that just calls an arbitrary function

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:34 AM

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I have to include my namespace right?

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or how will it find it

rain cedar May 18, 2018, 4:34 AM

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You give it an instance of a MonoBehaviour and the function name

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It's a bit gross

pearl sentinel May 18, 2018, 4:35 AM

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so in SpawnObjectFromGlobalPool, did you try setting


        [RequiredField]
        [Tooltip("GameObject to create. Usually a Prefab.")]
        public FsmGameObject gameObject;

to the object you wanted to spawn?

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:35 AM

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yes idk how to link a message on discord but: 446887128878678032

pearl sentinel May 18, 2018, 4:36 AM

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uh

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spawnObjs[0].gameObject = obj

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that?

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:36 AM

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yes

pearl sentinel May 18, 2018, 4:36 AM

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i don't see that array in

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    public class SpawnObjectFromGlobalPool : FsmStateAction

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:37 AM

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because get actions of type returns an array of all actions

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and usually the array is size 1

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because there's only 1 action of a certain type in a given state

pearl sentinel May 18, 2018, 4:37 AM

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oh, oh i see

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:37 AM

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and I know the array is in fact one for this too because I looked at the dump

pearl sentinel May 18, 2018, 4:38 AM

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ah, i have one idea

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i think the FSM has a set of variables that it might load it after it turns on (going off of memory here so i could be wrong)

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what if you changed the value one frame after the FSM has enabled

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or any time after it's on

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:40 AM

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actually I have another idea and it might be my bad code... if you try to set the gameObject to a null game object would you expect anything to break?

pearl sentinel May 18, 2018, 4:40 AM

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or just add your own action like sean suggested, either one that calls a custom method or just a new copy of SpawnObjectFromGlobalPool

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:41 AM

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would you expect SpawnObjectFromGlobalPool to still work normally might be a better quesiton?

pearl sentinel May 18, 2018, 4:41 AM

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well

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this is the code

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        public override void OnEnter()
        {
            GameObject value = this.gameObject.Value;
            if (value != null)
            {
                Vector3 a = Vector3.zero;
                Vector3 euler = Vector3.up;
                if (this.spawnPoint.Value != null)
                {
                    a = this.spawnPoint.Value.transform.position;
                    if (!this.position.IsNone)
                    {
                        a += this.position.Value;
                    }
                    euler = (this.rotation.IsNone ? this.spawnPoint.Value.transform.eulerAngles : this.rotation.Value);
                }
                else
                {
                    if (!this.position.IsNone)
                    {
                        a = this.position.Value;
                    }
                    if (!this.rotation.IsNone)
                    {
                        euler = this.rotation.Value;
                    }
                }
                if (this.gameObject != null)
                {
                    GameObject value2 = this.gameObject.Value.Spawn(a, Quaternion.Euler(euler));
                    this.storeObject.Value = value2;
                }
            }
            base.Finish();
        }

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it checks for null

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:41 AM

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so if it's null it looks like you wouldn't get any object at all though spawning

pearl sentinel May 18, 2018, 4:41 AM

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yep

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:41 AM

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since it wouldn't be able to set values like position etc

pearl sentinel May 18, 2018, 4:42 AM

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i mean, that's the whole code for the action

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so not a lot of possibilities here

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:43 AM

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ok I'm asking because I suspect that: obj = SpawnObjectFromGlobalPool.storeObject doesn't actually duplicate/copy the object but sets a reference instead.

rain cedar May 18, 2018, 4:43 AM

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Well yeah

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Object.Instantiate if you want a copy

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:44 AM

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but if that's the case then that means

spawnObjs[0].storeObject = obj
spawnObjs[0].gameObject = obj

don't do anything because if they did they'd break it because they'd be setting it to a null object.

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*(because the object gets destroyed after spawnObjs[0].storeObject = obj is run but before that function is actually called)

rain cedar May 18, 2018, 4:47 AM

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Why are you even messing with storeObject? The only purpose of that is for other actions to grab the result of the object spawning

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:48 AM

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ok

rain cedar May 18, 2018, 4:49 AM

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You should also look into what setting an FsmGameObject to a GameObject even does

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I don't trust PlayMaker to have good implicit conversions

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:54 AM

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Ok I'm fixing some code but I'm not using implicit conversion

rain cedar May 18, 2018, 4:55 AM

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Alright

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 4:57 AM

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my theory is it wouldn't actually spawn it if it was null. and that seems to be correct because switching to Object.Instantiate (which presumably gives me a non-null copy) and switching any reference to storeObject to gameObject causes it to not spawn at all.

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 5:19 AM

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thanks for the help. now my problem is: using Instantiate works properly but as soon as I copy it, it starts running through its cycle in an active state and despawns (as is part of its cycle). Would just setting the object to inactive fix this?

rain cedar May 18, 2018, 5:20 AM

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Probably

pearl sentinel May 18, 2018, 5:22 AM

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Yeah

flat forum May 18, 2018, 6:07 AM

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What happened to the Super Hornet (Hornet Guardian?) mod?

rain cedar May 18, 2018, 6:18 AM

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Puppy happened

flat forum May 18, 2018, 6:19 AM

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How's the puppy?

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I know it takes quite a bit of time to look after one

rain cedar May 18, 2018, 6:19 AM

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Oh it's Kerr's, not mine

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But he posts images every once in a while

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Looks cute

flat forum May 18, 2018, 6:20 AM

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so, he(she?)'s taking good care of it

rain cedar May 18, 2018, 6:20 AM

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Probably

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 6:47 AM

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Alright not only does this feel totally wrong but it didn't work so... uh. what am I missing here?

CallMethodProper newShootMethod = new CallMethodProper
                {
                    behaviour = "ClassName",
                    methodName = "FunctionInsideClass"
                };

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I can't find any code with custom CallMethodProper so idk the proper syntax

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I also on loading the mod run:

GameManager.instance.gameObject.AddComponent<ClassName>();

but idk if that helps or is needed

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to: whoever suggested I use CallMethodProper

rain cedar May 18, 2018, 7:35 AM

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Oh I'm looking at where I thought I used that and I actually used CallMethod

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So idk

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CallMethod methodAction = new CallMethod();
methodAction.behaviour = fsms[k].gameObject.AddComponent<SellContainer>();
methodAction.methodName = "SellAll";
methodAction.parameters = new FsmVar[0];
methodAction.everyFrame = false;

List<FsmStateAction> actions = fsms[k].FsmStates[i].Actions.ToList();
actions.Add(methodAction);
fsms[k].FsmStates[i].Actions = actions.ToArray();```

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 7:39 AM

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sounds like a good idea... anything sounds like one 3 hours into trying to get a feature working

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Thank you so much that actually worked somehow

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rain cedar May 18, 2018, 7:47 AM

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Nice

compact sedge May 18, 2018, 7:47 AM

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welp, spawning fireballs is no longer an fsm action so time to figure out how to program it.

pearl sentinel May 18, 2018, 1:56 PM

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📎 20180518_065523.jpg

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Morning chew session before food and exercise

warped sinew May 18, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Nice Tshirt

junior pawn May 18, 2018, 2:06 PM

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nice dog ❤

flat forum May 18, 2018, 2:16 PM

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Cute Puppo

fringe schooner May 18, 2018, 2:40 PM

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nice tshirt

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more like

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get the hoodie

pearl sentinel May 18, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Ty :)

solemn rivet May 18, 2018, 3:40 PM

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Who be best boi - kerr or kerrpupper? That be the tru question

flat forum May 18, 2018, 4:51 PM

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Pupper

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or

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Kerr

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hmmmm

steep sail May 18, 2018, 6:31 PM

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mmm

flat forum May 18, 2018, 6:31 PM

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I give 99/100 each

solemn rivet May 18, 2018, 11:33 PM

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So, the results are in

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pupper won

pearl sentinel May 19, 2018, 12:03 AM

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📎 Screenshot_2018-05-17-20-38-30.png

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They freak him out but he loves how they taste

solemn rivet May 19, 2018, 12:17 AM

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^the story of my life right there

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everything I love freaks the hell out of me

ruby token May 19, 2018, 1:18 AM

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Hmm... the enemy HP bar mod on the google drive is not opening on 7zip

solemn rivet May 19, 2018, 1:18 AM

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oh, yeah

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forgot to fix that

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oops

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also

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📎 API_Enemy_Health_Bars_by_Gradow_1.3.1.5.zip

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two Nikos

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grimm

ruby token May 19, 2018, 1:19 AM

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xD

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Thanks

solemn rivet May 19, 2018, 1:20 AM

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there, fixed the gdrive link as well

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thanks for the heads up

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 5:40 AM

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hey how do you add a gameobject as a child of a current gameobject?

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 6:16 AM

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oh durr GameObject.Spawn()

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or instantiate using a parent

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yes I understand my problem but this is awesome

📎 amazing.mp4

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 6:26 AM

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obj.transform.SetParent

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 6:26 AM

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oh that's even better

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anyway that video, that's correct behavior right?

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 6:26 AM

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Close enough

flat forum May 19, 2018, 6:31 AM

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are you trying to make a Flame Shield?

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 6:34 AM

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serious or not serious question

flat forum May 19, 2018, 6:34 AM

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Hmmmmm

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I don't know actually

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 6:34 AM

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I'm literally just trying to modify the ball (ie make it a different size) and I have to do a lot of junk to do it because the second I access a game object it gets set active which sets its timer to distruction

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and there's no way to stop it

flat forum May 19, 2018, 6:35 AM

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Mhm

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your attempts to edit it are really fun tho

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 6:38 AM

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the problem is I don't understand the linear algebra I have to mess with to get the ball to work

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 6:41 AM

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You mean just for calculating the velocity?

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 6:41 AM

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no world position

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the problem is it's set relative to the child

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and also the other problem

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is that I want to use Spawn and not instantiate

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basically I wanna store a game object in a way that won't be active but will let modify it

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 6:42 AM

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I haven't had issues with modifying inactive objects

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 6:43 AM

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so the problem is the second I do anything to the object it gets set active and the object has a timer on it after which it gets destroyed

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 6:43 AM

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Weird

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 6:44 AM

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this is why I can't just use a vanilla SpawnObjectFromGlobalPool

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 6:44 AM

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Can't you just set it inactive right after changing things, then?

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 6:44 AM

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because when I do

GameObject a = SpawnObjectFromGlobalPool.GameObject.Value it sets it active

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and if I set it inactive I can't use it in functions

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because unity treats it as null

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 6:44 AM

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That doesn't sound right

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 6:45 AM

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well I got a null pointer exception trying that

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 6:45 AM

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In randomizer I grab a reference to a shiny object and set it inactive

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And I can still pass it around and instantiate more from it

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 6:45 AM

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link code?

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wait

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I'll try it

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 6:46 AM

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It's just this https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/Actions/RandomizerAction.cs#L36

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Then I use it here https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/Actions/ReplaceObjectWithShiny.cs#L52

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 7:00 AM

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cool thanks for the help now it spawns in the proper position it just has the minor problem of segfaulting

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yeah setting it inactive did not work for some reason

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it still ran though it's thing and by the time I did

GameObject tempObj = UnityEngine.Object.Instantiate(customGrimmball);

which is the same code you have. NullReferenceException

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 7:14 AM

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Awake runs immediately on scripts

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Maybe something there is messing stuff up

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Since that would be before you can set it inactive

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 7:15 AM

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well it does start running:

 \----PFSM ---- Wait(, finishEvent) = 
 \----PFSM ---- Wait(Boolean, realTime) = False
 \----PFSM ---- Wait(FsmFloat, ) = 0      :: IsNone? = False

in init

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and once that wait is over it self destructs

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don't ask why the float is 0

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idk

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 7:16 AM

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That seems like a pretty useless FSM, just destroy it

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If it just destroys it

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 7:37 AM

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I think I found my problem

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too many levels of cloning

wintry ore May 19, 2018, 7:39 AM

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That's uh.. yeah that's a lot of cloning

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 8:21 AM

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ugh none of this makes sense to me and now I'm confused

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 8:29 AM

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Dang

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 8:30 AM

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what the hell I've spent 5 hours trying to resize some balls

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 8:30 AM

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Just make your own balls

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It can't be that hard

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Easier than this, it seems

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 8:31 AM

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no I have my own balls it's great but my problem for the past 2 hours is getting ShootAtTarget to uhh shoot them

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 8:32 AM

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Seems like a pretty significant problem

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 8:33 AM

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the problem is FireAtTarget is using the wrong Object and I don't know how to set it to the right Object because it's not using normal objects but "FsmOwnerDefault"

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 8:33 AM

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FsmOwnerDefault is essentially just "GameObject?"

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Uses the object if it's there

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Otherwise the owner of the fsm

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 8:33 AM

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I can try setting FsmOwnerDefault.GameObject = mygameobject

and that for some reason doesn't work

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 8:34 AM

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Make sure that FsmOwnerDefault.OwnerOption = OwnerDefaultOption.SpecifyGameObject

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 8:36 AM

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what I didn't know about that thanks

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 8:36 AM

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Was that it?

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 8:36 AM

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idk if you have a faster setup but testing takes me about 45 secs

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 8:36 AM

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Yeah takes a bit

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Someone would have to mod out the intros to make it any better

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 8:37 AM

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fuck you that actually worked

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I mean thanks

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but wtf I spent 6 hours on this and it's one stupid line I didn't know about

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Thank you

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but like I'm so mad at myself

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 8:37 AM

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This is why I always check everything to do with the types I don't recognize

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Using dnspy

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 8:42 AM

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I checked some stuff but not others because it's still confusing

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So like I knew about FsmOwnerDefault.OwnerOption

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but idk how you learned about OwnerDefaultOption.SpecifyGameObject

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 8:43 AM

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By looking into what the GetOwnerDefault function does

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Or something like that

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Yeah Fsm.GetOwnerDefaultTarget

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public GameObject GetOwnerDefaultTarget(FsmOwnerDefault ownerDefault)
{
    if (ownerDefault == null)
    {
        return null;
    }
    if (ownerDefault.OwnerOption != OwnerDefaultOption.UseOwner)
    {
        return ownerDefault.GameObject.Value;
    }
    return this.GameObject;
}```

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 8:48 AM

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📎 amazing-2.m4v

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well the part I was having trouble with works now so thanks

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 8:49 AM

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Nice

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 8:49 AM

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just gotta figure out how to decouple the object from grimmchild position wise I guess

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maybe setting it as not its child

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 9:13 AM

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so uh this is gonna sound nooby but since you know this stuff is it possible to add a state to an fsm

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like a whole new state with nothing inside it

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or do I just have to find a state that's unimportant and modify that

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 9:25 AM

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I've never tried but I imagine so

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 9:26 AM

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what about when you make a custom fsm

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 9:41 AM

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I've never made a full custom one

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If I was in a situation where that was an option I would just made an actual script instead

solemn rivet May 19, 2018, 12:42 PM

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Yeah, I've never added a state. What I've done is change transitions/actions of an existing state to make them point to my script

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 3:02 PM

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aaaaaaaaaa

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unity is decreasing my will to live rapidly

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whenever i call get scene by name it says the scene is invalid

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but if i pass the scene from the sceneloaded hook it works

pearl sentinel May 19, 2018, 3:08 PM

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You have to load a scene. Get just gives a scene by name that is loaded already

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 3:09 PM

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o

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thanks

torn fulcrum May 19, 2018, 4:27 PM

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So I was playing randomizer and Hornet got stuck in the ground for a few seconds

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oh my god again

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void tree May 19, 2018, 4:32 PM

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that's a bug in the vanilla game

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always amusing

pearl sentinel May 19, 2018, 4:35 PM

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Really, that happens in vanilla?

rain cedar May 19, 2018, 4:36 PM

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Only when you stagger her out of the downward dash with really good timing

pearl sentinel May 19, 2018, 4:36 PM

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Well, I feel much better about my hornet rewrite having the same behavior and that I've since fixed it

hollow pier May 19, 2018, 4:38 PM

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game has bugs

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 6:13 PM

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is there any easy way to make a floor

leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 6:19 PM

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copy an instance of one?

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 6:24 PM

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i've been trying to but i've just been getting null refs

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:04 PM

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my floor has no collider

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leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 7:04 PM

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weird

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should just be a boxcollider2d

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:05 PM

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aa

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unity website just says make a mesh

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thanks unity

leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 7:06 PM

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meshes are for 3d

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check it has a box collider 2d

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:06 PM

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it didn't

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i added one

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idk

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leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 7:07 PM

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looks good hollowface

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:07 PM

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can't even stand on it lmao

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it just makes you float on it

leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 7:08 PM

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yeah theres probably a tag or class

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the herocontroller is looking for

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:09 PM

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wait would copying the tiny platforms and removing their textures work

pearl sentinel May 19, 2018, 7:09 PM

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The floor graphics and floor collider are different things in hollow knight

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The floor collisions are edge colliders made by the tk2d tile map stuff

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Platforms are box or polygon colliders

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Then they overlay graphics that line up with the colliders

leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 7:11 PM

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just put it in layer 8

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and put HeroWalkable as its tag

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and you'll be able to walk on it

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:12 PM

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HeroWalkable?

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like as a string?

leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 7:12 PM

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yes

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each gameObject has a tag variable

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thats a string

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:14 PM

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holy shit

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tysm

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 7:14 PM

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is there a tag or name that applies to all enemies but no random scenery?

leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 7:15 PM

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i'd probably put an actual texture on that

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:15 PM

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i was just gonna make it black tbh

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wait wtf

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it won't let me nail slash it

leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 7:15 PM

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you mean your nail won't make a noise when you hit it 🤔

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:16 PM

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if you do like

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a tiny jump

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and slash down

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instead of slashing down it slashes sideways

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meh

leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 7:18 PM

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weird must think you're either idle or running

fringe schooner May 19, 2018, 7:19 PM

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wait have you stolen the floor 56

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:20 PM

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no i made a new floor

fringe schooner May 19, 2018, 7:20 PM

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ok

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so you can stream now

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:20 PM

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no it's not done

fringe schooner May 19, 2018, 7:20 PM

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MY GOD UR SLOW

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:20 PM

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thanks

fringe schooner May 19, 2018, 7:20 PM

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if i stream ds3 will it make you faster

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:21 PM

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what

fringe schooner May 19, 2018, 7:21 PM

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if i stream ds3

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will you do what ur trying to do faster

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:21 PM

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uhh

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idk

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haha yes

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fringe schooner May 19, 2018, 7:22 PM

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the allknown nothing

leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 7:23 PM

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is this 4kings

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:23 PM

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yes

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 7:29 PM

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yall know how to destroy a component

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selecting the component itself and doing destoryall didn't work for me for some reason

pearl sentinel May 19, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Destroy (component)

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:30 PM

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^

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mcnugget no

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 7:30 PM

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really?

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🤦

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:33 PM

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wtf

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ddark onto the floor makes you float

leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 7:36 PM

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well ddark is an fsm

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so you can debug that

fringe schooner May 19, 2018, 7:37 PM

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what is no

mighty slate May 19, 2018, 7:38 PM

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how long does it usually take for crossroads to load?

fringe schooner May 19, 2018, 7:38 PM

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no time

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:38 PM

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like 15 seconds

mighty slate May 19, 2018, 7:38 PM

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hmm, i must be doing something wrong then

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 7:39 PM

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crossroads the program or the level

mighty slate May 19, 2018, 7:39 PM

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the program

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:42 PM

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oh

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i'm dumb

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i forgot to set the floor to layer 8

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now it works

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 7:43 PM

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is this the SNES what's with layers

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:43 PM

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no clue but i was looking at another floor and it was layer 8

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so i made mine layer 8

leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 7:43 PM

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i did say

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:43 PM

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and then i remembered kdt said layer 8

leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 7:43 PM

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layer 8 and tag

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:44 PM

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yes

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tysm

leaden hedge May 19, 2018, 7:44 PM

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layers are a unity thing so you group stuff together

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i.e. all enemies on a layer all walls / floors / roofs on another

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 7:45 PM

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o

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now i just need to change one move and i think i'll be done

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 8:28 PM

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wow I wish every FSM state action was nothing but CallMethodProper or CallMethod

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would make my life a lot easier

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 8:28 PM

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i wish every fsm didn't exist

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nice mkv

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 8:33 PM

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this is the real one

📎 amazing-5.mp4

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got it to detect through walls with custom CallMethodProper

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 8:33 PM

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nice

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wtf

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transition throws me into a black void where the pause screen is invisible

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a

📎 unknown.png

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dreamgating over works

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 8:38 PM

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btw can you make your mantis gods scene a dream scene so it doesn't spawn a shade?

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 8:38 PM

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uhh

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probably idk

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rn it just spawns a shade at the last scene you were in

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 8:58 PM

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aaaaaaa

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:03 PM

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@copper nacelle does mantis gods mod work with boss rush?

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 9:03 PM

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the version that's on the drive rn should

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:03 PM

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nice

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thanks

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tdogOwo

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 9:03 PM

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hollowknice

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new version is coming out in like an hour tho

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:04 PM

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of BR or mantis gods?

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 9:04 PM

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mantis gods

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:04 PM

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hm

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for 1221 or the new patch?

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and any signigicant changes?

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 9:04 PM

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probably both

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big buff

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new arena

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/447479190590193664/unknown.png

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thanks to kdt for help w/ that

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:04 PM

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nice

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I'mma try current mantis gods

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and update when it's out

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also roughly whats the recommended equipment?

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 9:05 PM

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endgame stuff

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:05 PM

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oof

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gonna be fun with BR

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unless I get lucky

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 9:05 PM

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yea

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:06 PM

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ok let's try

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are mantis gods like

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stupid like phase 2 god grimm?

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or are they reasonable?

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 9:07 PM

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reasonable

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:07 PM

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nice

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 9:08 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBXmqnOxd6g

YouTube

fiftysix

Mantis Gods v1 [Old Nail]

Done on lifeblood update Still want to add a phase 3 tbh

▶ Play video

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and this is with me sucking at dodging

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:08 PM

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dont wanna spoil

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 9:08 PM

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hollowknice

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:17 PM

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holy fuck phase 2 kicked my ass

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it sucks without dash I can tell you that

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aside from that I really like it so far

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 9:18 PM

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happygrub

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really glad to hear it

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 9:18 PM

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mantis gods are stupid like ngg if you fight them when you're supposed to in the game

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 9:18 PM

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wtf

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false

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 9:18 PM

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with only mothwing cloak and +1 nail and only regular spell

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:18 PM

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I'd disagree

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 9:19 PM

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have you seen the new ones

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:19 PM

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idk

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I've seen the ones on google drive

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 9:19 PM

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new mantis gods are going to be after normal mantis lords

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instead of replacing

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i think

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 9:19 PM

#

happygrub

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also lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xi3I8igumE

YouTube

fiftysix

arena test

▶ Play video

copper nacelle May 19, 2018, 9:20 PM

#

re

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i had no floor

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i did airwalk so i wouldn't have to bother testing with a floor

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:27 PM

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I really don't like how slow their discs travel

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it's really annoying when they attack when the disc is out

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 9:30 PM

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it bugs me for some reason when both mantises do disk attacks twice in a row

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and there's 4 of them

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:30 PM

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I haven't lived enough in phase 2 to judge them

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i just don't like how the disk is in your way when you try to dodge the next attack

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cause it'd be a joke with shadow dash

compact sedge May 19, 2018, 9:31 PM

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idk it's not hard to dodge it's just weird looking

trim nimbus May 19, 2018, 9:32 PM

#

it's more like

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it's in the air

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and he does the stab attack

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and you gotta jump

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and it's in your way

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but I guess thats just my bad positioning

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 2:18 AM

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late af but you can dash onto the wall to dodge that if you don't have shade dash

supple sigil May 20, 2018, 2:51 AM

#

.

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 2:51 AM

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no

supple sigil May 20, 2018, 2:52 AM

#

u

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 2:52 AM

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no

supple sigil May 20, 2018, 2:52 AM

#

u

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 2:52 AM

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ban

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:06 AM

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G'Morning

supple sigil May 20, 2018, 3:06 AM

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G'evenin

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:08 AM

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has it been updated?

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:08 AM

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what? the morning

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not yet

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:09 AM

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@copper nacelle said the Mantis Gods mod will be updated before I wake up and I really wanna get my ass kicked for breakfast

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:09 AM

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floors are hard

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:09 AM

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The floor was removed?

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Why?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:09 AM

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hey wtf

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i fixed the floor

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:09 AM

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bc it looks cool

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xi3I8igumE

YouTube

fiftysix

arena test

▶ Play video

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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u dungo

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i fixed the floor

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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there's a floor now btw

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but it's a custom texture right?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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yeah it's what i wanted it to be tho

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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or is it just black

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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black

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is what i wanted

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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eww

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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can I get the floorless, backgroundless version some time?

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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gross so now you can't see the floor

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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yes but u have to dreamgate in

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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is it still backgroundless?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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yeah

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that was the intention ree

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void world

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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OKokokokok

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...you gave me reephobia

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:11 AM

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lemme just tweak one move

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:11 AM

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the falling one?

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because

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:11 AM

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the discs

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:11 AM

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make the floor dream yellow

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:11 AM

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It's raining ~~men~~ mantises

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:11 AM

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:e c h:

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it's supposed to be void

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not dream

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:11 AM

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looks really cool

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Main problem for me used to be the disks attack, as it layered with other attacks

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:13 AM

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i can decrease the chance a bit

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1,1,1/6th rn

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:13 AM

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Ok =)

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decrease it a bit

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howrare is 1/10?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:15 AM

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like

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4.76% i think

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:15 AM

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why such a weird percentage?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:15 AM

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cause (.1/1+1+.1)

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at least i think that's right

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:16 AM

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hm

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:16 AM

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1 in 10 is 4.76%

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:16 AM

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because, even with a low percentage the other attacks are going by pretty fast

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:16 AM

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wow i was right

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:16 AM

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but 1/10 is really low

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I guess

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:25 AM

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aaa

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nre

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why

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:25 AM

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is it still broken?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:26 AM

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a bit

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should be done soonish tho

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enough to be played at least

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sorry for the wait and stuff

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:27 AM

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No problem

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and specifically was broken?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:29 AM

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wall throw was broke

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i tried to change wall throw

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it was actually wall throw 1

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and wall throw 2

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*wall leave

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:29 AM

#

there's 2 different?

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Oh

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yeah

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the one from below and from above

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:29 AM

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yea

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:31 AM

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will you post it here when you're done?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:31 AM

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yea

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almost done

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basically playable rn

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:31 AM

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Mhm

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great

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=)

hexed swan May 20, 2018, 3:31 AM

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literally unplayable imho smh

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:33 AM

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@flat forum

📎 Mantis_Gods.dll

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:33 AM

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=D

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:33 AM

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scene needs to be dreamgated into for it to work tho

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lemme give a save w/ dreamgate set up

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:34 AM

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Ok

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:34 AM

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i'm still fixing the transition

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so you don't need the save

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but for now

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:34 AM

#

Debug Mod could remove Dreamgates, right?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:34 AM

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📎 user1.dat

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uhh

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i think so

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:34 AM

#

Ok, I'll download it and test if it can

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:34 AM

#

happygrub

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:34 AM

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I'll tell you in a bit

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:34 AM

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throw might be a bit fast cause i just did it

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:34 AM

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the PC's gotta start up

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:35 AM

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cool

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:36 AM

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ooh only 16kb

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nice

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:36 AM

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happygrub

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now to try and fix the transition

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:ech:

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Scene Manager missing from scene Fungus2_15
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/DebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 51)

Exception in responders to SceneLoad.Complete. Attempting to continue load regardless.
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/DebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 51)

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found it

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and this

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NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at SceneParticlesController.BeginScene () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at SceneParticlesController.SceneInit () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at GameCameras.StartScene () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at GameCameras.SceneInit () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:39 AM

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how do you get debugging info in your thing

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:39 AM

#

what

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wdym

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:39 AM

#

filename

#

lines

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oh nvm

#

not real

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:39 AM

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just looking in output_log

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:39 AM

#

it says filename unknonw

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:40 AM

#

yeah

#

it's really annoying

#

this is what i did to debug mantis gods

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:40 AM

#

I really hope someone here can tell me

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:40 AM

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u have to do this

#

📎 unknown.png

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:40 AM

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is there a gdb but for mono that I can use on unity

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:40 AM

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this is the best you can do iirc

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:40 AM

#

is there a gdb but for mono

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if the answer is no then c# is a dead language to me

#

and if the answer is yes

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then why aren't you using it

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:40 AM

#

there probably is but probably not usable for hk

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:40 AM

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why not

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:40 AM

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cause i remember asking about debugging

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:41 AM

#

the whole point of GDB is you can attach to any running process no matter how many threads it has

#

and when you pause that thread you can see debugging info if you built it in

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and print memory

#

etc

#

and if that causes the game to freeze then oh well

#

because the games state, running or not, doesn't matter

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:41 AM

#

i think vs has a debugger

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:42 AM

#

Did I stutter I asked if mono does

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:42 AM

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ok

📎 unknown.png

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:42 AM

#

idgaf about VS because unity doesn't use VS

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:42 AM

#

you can attach vs to like

#

everything

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:42 AM

#

use it

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:42 AM

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iirc

#

monomod was crashing

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:42 AM

#

and keep your pdb file in your mods folder

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:42 AM

#

and i attached vs to it

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:42 AM

#

so it can load it

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:42 AM

#

and it showed where the error was

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 3:43 AM

#

the pdb file has all the file information

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so without it you can view all ram but can't tell on what line you made an error

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:43 AM

#

why can't you use null conditionals for setting stuff

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wtf

#

reeeeeeee

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:44 AM

#

Um

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Game crashed when I tried entering normally so I can set the portal there

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:45 AM

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that's why i gave the save

hexed swan May 20, 2018, 3:45 AM

#

oof

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:45 AM

#

yeah entering normally very broken rn

#

@flat forum https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/447602961498243073/user1.dat

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put in saves folder

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already has dgate set

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:45 AM

#

mhm

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yeah

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but I'll set it to user4.dat

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:46 AM

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ok

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:47 AM

#

otherwise it has everything, right?

#

max health, all Charms (+ notches) and abilities

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:47 AM

#

uhh

#

most stuff i think

#

it's like 83%

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:47 AM

#

but in abilities

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:48 AM

#

yea

#

movement is all good

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:48 AM

#

Ok

#

and charms?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:48 AM

#

a bit lacking

#

i can fix it if you want

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:48 AM

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No problem, Debug mod has the "all charms" thing

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:49 AM

#

fixed anyway

📎 user1.dat

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:49 AM

#

heh

#

I'll just use the other one tho

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:49 AM

#

lol

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wow it jumped 14%

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Gonna try it now

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:51 AM

#

happygrub

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:52 AM

#

Damage was set to 185 for some reason?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:52 AM

#

uhh

#

yeah

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:52 AM

#

That first mantis was.... quick

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:52 AM

#

whoops

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:53 AM

#

Gonna set that back to.... 21?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:53 AM

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yea

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:54 AM

#

Health is 7/9

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:54 AM

#

whoops

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:55 AM

#

Fight is much harder now too

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:55 AM

#

yes

#

@vagrant leaf play

vagrant leaf May 20, 2018, 3:56 AM

#

what

#

play what

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:56 AM

#

mantis gods

vagrant leaf May 20, 2018, 3:56 AM

#

you didnt put download also im doing a rw rn ree

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:56 AM

#

i did tho

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it's like

#

up

#

also ok

#

also might've made throw too fast

vagrant leaf May 20, 2018, 3:56 AM

#

re

flat forum May 20, 2018, 3:57 AM

#

Remove The Throw it's too OP

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or actually set it to 1/10

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 3:58 AM

#

it's set to 1/10 for phase 2

#

gonna speed up the projectile and slow the throw i think

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:00 AM

#

set it to 1/10 for Phase 1 as well

#

also, I think you mentioned wanting a Phase 3?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:00 AM

#

yeah

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:01 AM

#

Normal settings all 3 Mantises?

#

Normal settings I mean

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:01 AM

#

idk

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:01 AM

#

the first version of Mantis Gods

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the ones that are... bearable

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:01 AM

#

lmao

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:03 AM

#

Oh, by the way, how quick did you make their jumping away animation after the discs attack?

#

now they're just

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:03 AM

#

too fast

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:03 AM

#

disappearing

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:03 AM

#

they teleport

#

yeah

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:03 AM

#

like

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:03 AM

#

i just fixed that

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:03 AM

#

yeah

#

Well, beat 1 Mantis the proper way

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:05 AM

#

nice

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:07 AM

#

Also, right now the floor is completely invisible, can you make it black at least (like in the Temple of the Black Egg)

#

I scares me

#

it confuses me

#

help

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:08 AM

#

it is black

#

the particles broke tho

#

so you can't really see it

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:08 AM

#

but the light of the Knight is above it?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:09 AM

#

wdym

#

ok so current bugs are

transition broke
spikes are missing
particles broke

#

and the throw

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:11 AM

#

In the temple of the Black Egg the light disappears beneath the floor

#

📎 unknown.png

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:11 AM

#

huh

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:11 AM

#

but here

weak lodge May 20, 2018, 4:11 AM

#

hey what mod is that owo

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:11 AM

#

it doesn't

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:11 AM

#

mantis gods beta

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:11 AM

#

📎 unknown.png

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:11 AM

#

mantis gods alpha

weak lodge May 20, 2018, 4:11 AM

#

ah\

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:12 AM

#

Mantis Knight Demolishers

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:12 AM

#

yes

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:12 AM

#

mantis gods pre-release early access edition

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:12 AM

#

The Mantis Desolators

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:12 AM

#

i think this was a good buff tho

#

right?

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:12 AM

#

The Mantis I'm-dying-to-them-for-the-13th-time-damn-it-someone-help-me

#

Yeah, it was a good buff

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:13 AM

#

happygrub

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:13 AM

#

I really like it

#

now

#

they're harder than NKG

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:13 AM

#

y e s

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:13 AM

#

Y E S

#

now someone make PoP harder as well

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:14 AM

#

ok now i've beat 1st phase

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:14 AM

#

video or not real

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:14 AM

#

cornywoke

#

gonna balance throw a bit

#

cause you can just jump and die

#

little bit slower

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:15 AM

#

📎 unknown.png

#

is this screenshot good?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:15 AM

#

meme

📎 unknown.png

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:15 AM

#

are you standing where the spikes are supposed to be

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:15 AM

#

yes spikes don't exist

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:15 AM

#

yes

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:15 AM

#

gonna fix that

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:15 AM

#

well

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:15 AM

#

soon™

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:15 AM

#

it's not much of a problem rn

#

except

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:16 AM

#

makes the fight easier

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:16 AM

#

if you stand where the spikes are they start boomeranging you into oblivion

#

otherwise their attack have no problem reaching you there

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:16 AM

#

if your changing a lot of attack FPSes you should use a dictionary @copper nacelle

#

so you can just iterate through it

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:16 AM

#

oh

#

that'd be neat

#

wait no

#

some are multipliers and some are just fps rn

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too much effort

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maybe after i fix bugs

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:17 AM

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or be lazy and use 2 arrays instead of a dictionary

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copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:17 AM

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i've got particles

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idk why

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2 arrays

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why

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:18 AM

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why not

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:18 AM

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lordAnim.GetClipByName("Throw").fps=PlayerData.instance.health*5

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that's fair

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:19 AM

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reee scaling

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:19 AM

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Oh

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:19 AM

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also then niko'd play w/ 1 hp mod and win instantly

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:19 AM

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Um

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:19 AM

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that's current health

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:19 AM

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I know

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:19 AM

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so be low on health and its easier

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:19 AM

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EXACTLY

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:19 AM

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I like it

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but I hate it

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:19 AM

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no but it wouldn't change

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also effort

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should i decrease phase transition pause

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:20 AM

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that would mess up my muscle memory if you did that

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look for instances where there are waits, not just animations

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and change the length of those waits

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:20 AM

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Make longer Phase transition so I can get a breath

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:20 AM

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if you haven't already

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:20 AM

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i already did that

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:21 AM

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How much longer is it?

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:21 AM

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well already better than NGG then

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10/10

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:21 AM

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ignore the nre pls messages

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:21 AM

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We only need a 3rd Phase now

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:21 AM

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that was to fix the nre

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what was the vim command to delete stuff with a phrase

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oh right

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:%g/nre pls/d

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ez

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if vs didn't have a vim plugin i'd die

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:22 AM

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Good enough

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:23 AM

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right

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i need to install that

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turned it off when debugging because of logging

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:24 AM

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you use vim in vs

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:24 AM

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yes

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:24 AM

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thinkgrub

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:24 AM

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why wouldn't i

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i use evil-mode in emacs

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:24 AM

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I'm a nano skrub

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:25 AM

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p a i n

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vim is really great once you get used to

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like

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ci"

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to change the stuff in quotes

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or di"

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to delete the stuff in quotes

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:25 AM

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sure that's nice but I'm bad

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:25 AM

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lol

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:26 AM

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just

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remove the Boomerang attack

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only make it appear when you're on walls

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it's set to the only attack there

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:27 AM

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ree

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:27 AM

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I layers with other attacks way too much reeeee

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:27 AM

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that's the intent tho

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harder dodging

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gonna speed up the shot so it's less stacky tho

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:27 AM

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IMPOSIBRU DOGING

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:28 AM

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imo i'm balancing it rn

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also the tip of the lance is still 1 damage

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gonna fix that

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:29 AM

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but touching them does 2

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Nah, keep it

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:31 AM

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i wonder if niko'll manage to no damage this

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:31 AM

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How good IS Niko to try no damaging this?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:32 AM

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p good

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no damaged the old one

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ok i think i balanced throw decently

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managed phase 1 w/ only 1 damage taken

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maybe too easy

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nvm

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:34 AM

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Oh, why would the Attack.fps=PlayerHealth*something stack?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:34 AM

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more balance

📎 Mantis_Gods.dll

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cause

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it'd use the modified values

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so like

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let's say attack is 21 right

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now health is 5

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so 21 * 5

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now health is 4

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so 21 * 5 *4

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now health is 3

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so 21 * 5 * 4 * 3

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etc

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:35 AM

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mhm

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:35 AM

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new dll has throwing not instant and stuff

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would recommend

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:35 AM

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it would just get endlessly faster/stronger

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:35 AM

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yeah

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:35 AM

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well, can't we just reset it

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before the action

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:35 AM

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yeah if you saved the original value

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then you could

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:35 AM

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mhm

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Lemme try the "More Balanced" version

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:36 AM

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still pretty hard

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throws aren't stupid tho

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i think

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at least first phase

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:38 AM

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Beat Phase 1 first try, without trying to dodge too hard

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let's see Phase 2

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and die immediately

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:39 AM

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death

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yes

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:39 AM

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Ok, RIP me

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copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:40 AM

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f

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should be doable now

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i think

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I'll keep going at it

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:41 AM

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well I think I just finished my second mod

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:41 AM

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neat

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:41 AM

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I'm gonna do a lot more testing before I publish

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:41 AM

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hollowknice

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:41 AM

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almost everything is settable in config files

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so if it's too op you can change it

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Break My mask into pieces
This is the second Phase
Concentration,
No Breathing
Attack everywhere not a slight chance of Healing

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:42 AM

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but if you're using infinite grimm some of the settings only apply after you've done a lot of damage to grimm (notch cost for one)

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and others apply right away

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:42 AM

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what is your second mod?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:42 AM

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grimmchild upgrades

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:43 AM

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It's called Grimmchild Upgrades and all it does is buff grimmchild but make it cost more

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:43 AM

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SUPER GRIMMCHILD

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:43 AM

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it's designed as an integration/addon to infinite grimm

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but you can use it without it

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:43 AM

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How did you set it how much to cost?

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:43 AM

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not a smart way because it also will end up increasing the cost of carefree melody

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:43 AM

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it's bearable

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:43 AM

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but idc because if you seriously are playing my mods on a banishment save then you should die

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jk

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:43 AM

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just buff it too

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:44 AM

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no

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:44 AM

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yes

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:44 AM

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carefree melody deserves nothing

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:44 AM

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PlayerData.instance.charmCost_40 = notchesCost;

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:44 AM

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it needs a buff to be even close to useable

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:44 AM

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just check the grimmchild level

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:44 AM

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I'll fix carefree melody

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:44 AM

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before setting cost

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:44 AM

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PlayerData.instance.charmCost_40 = 5?

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:44 AM

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yeah I'm gonna check if they killed NKG before doing it

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:44 AM

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ree

floral furnace May 20, 2018, 4:45 AM

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carefree needs an entire remake for it to be viable

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:45 AM

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check the charm upgrade level u dungo

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:45 AM

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eer

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:45 AM

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5 is melody

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4 is full gc

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3 is right before that

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etc

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:45 AM

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here's the strength and costs at different levels

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copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:45 AM

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just change the last cost var 🤔

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:45 AM

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these are weighted averages so 0.5 speed mod avg means that your speed is halfway between default and maximum

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:46 AM

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level 6 is carefree melody

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just change that var

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ez

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:46 AM

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this but make carefree melody cost 12

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I could the 6th element in that vector isn't actually used

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:47 AM

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make it like void heart and 12

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:47 AM

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because the 6th element in that one and useGhostBall are to just take the option set in the global config

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tbh that's what carefree melody users deserve

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but I won't

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because they already lost the ability to fight infinite grimm

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and that's punishment enough

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:48 AM

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big think

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if they have melody

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they don't like nkg

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no loss for them

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:48 AM

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yes it is they just don't know it

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:49 AM

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aaaaaaaaaa

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i can't beat my own mod

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:49 AM

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HAH

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That's what you get

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:49 AM

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gonna beat it

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dw

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:49 AM

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Eventually

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:50 AM

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yes

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:50 AM

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Well, I found a strategy

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:50 AM

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should i stream it

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:50 AM

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=P

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Yes

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Stream it

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I wanna watch

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:50 AM

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ok

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:51 AM

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where will you stream it?

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I want a link

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:51 AM

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https://www.twitch.tv/5fiftysix6

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:54 AM

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copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:54 AM

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nice

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should i give them a title card or anything

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like the full screen thing radiance and nkg do

flat forum May 20, 2018, 4:57 AM

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Hmmmm

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Well, as a start set the thing in the corner to say "Mantis Gods"

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:57 AM

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yea

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 4:59 AM

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Hey how do I recalculate notches used

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I need to auto overcharm the player when their grimmchild is upgraded

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 4:59 AM

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there's a method

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but there's also an overcharmed var

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iirc

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 5:00 AM

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no I don't wanna set the var manually

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I want to recalc the amount of notches they have

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and if they are overcharmed then set it

flat forum May 20, 2018, 5:00 AM

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Won't it be easier to just set it

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 5:00 AM

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what if they had empty slots

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:00 AM

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PlayerData.instance.CalculateNotcheseUsed()

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 5:01 AM

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ty

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:02 AM

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throw is still broken

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i think

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should i nerf it a bit more

flat forum May 20, 2018, 5:02 AM

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Maybe

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3rd Phase - now each Mantis throws 2 Boomerangs at once

Or, alternatively
Mantises throw the Traitor Lord Discs

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:03 AM

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that'd be evil

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and great

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 5:04 AM

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4th phase, first mantis comes to life

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and... uh oh... she wasn't a mantis after all... it's actuallly... the radiance!!!

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:05 AM

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cornywoke

flat forum May 20, 2018, 5:06 AM

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The Mantis Lords now throw discs in a way similar to The Radiance's Sword attack, except it comes back after reaching the end of the terrain

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 5:06 AM

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nice 6 fps stream btw

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:06 AM

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wow

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wtf is with the stream

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 5:06 AM

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also nice segfault

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I saw that

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:07 AM

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that's enemyhpbar

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not me

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 5:07 AM

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nice segfault enemyhpbar programmers

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:07 AM

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corny

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 5:07 AM

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this is why I don't use debug mod

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:07 AM

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ok i think throw is def balanced for 1st phase now

flat forum May 20, 2018, 5:08 AM

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Gotta Balance it for Phase 2 as well

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:08 AM

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yeah

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idk it's windup is p good now

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gotta turn off my log wow

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 5:13 AM

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geeze watching the stream and phase 2 looks like a cluster****

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:13 AM

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honestly

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might just disable boomerang for phase 2

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or slow it down more

flat forum May 20, 2018, 5:14 AM

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Disable it

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dealing with falling at dashing is enough

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 5:15 AM

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speed up the boomerang but slow down their reactions after throwing it

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:15 AM

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slow boomerangs are hard enough

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imo

flat forum May 20, 2018, 5:16 AM

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Make Boomerangs stupid fast and time after the throw to take as long as the Boomerang takes to travel

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:16 AM

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i think i'll beat phase 2

flat forum May 20, 2018, 5:16 AM

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So that you're either only dealing with normal attacks or boomerangs

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 5:16 AM

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make boomerangs so fast that you can dash in any direction and avoid them with shadow dash

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:16 AM

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semi soon

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corny

flat forum May 20, 2018, 5:16 AM

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semi soon™

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:17 AM

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i love it when i die to the first attack of phase 2

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wtf

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i'm invisible

flat forum May 20, 2018, 5:17 AM

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hm

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:18 AM

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i am in pain

flat forum May 20, 2018, 5:19 AM

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great 0.5 FPS Stream

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:19 AM

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idk

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looks fine on my end

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flat forum May 20, 2018, 5:19 AM

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Hmmm

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 5:19 AM

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obs?

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:19 AM

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yeah

flat forum May 20, 2018, 5:19 AM

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It drops to really low sometimes

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 5:19 AM

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probably twitch/your bandwidth

flat forum May 20, 2018, 5:21 AM

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is there a place I can find the info on ALL charms without trying to get it out of the HK Data itself or do I have to learn to use some FSM tool or something

copper nacelle May 20, 2018, 5:21 AM

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maybe it's nohboard

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idk

compact sedge May 20, 2018, 5:22 AM

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wiki

flat forum May 20, 2018, 5:22 AM

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I mean the code