#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 94

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 4:32 AM

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IDK why but that's how it it seems to be

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 4:33 AM

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do you add something to the gamemanager?

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ondestroy should unhook

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which it does

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and add game should add

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which it does

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there's no ondestroy for infinitetent

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nor dirtmouth

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 4:35 AM

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that's because it's only loaded once

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when you start the game

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 4:35 AM

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boi

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big think

📎 unknown.png

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if you don't kill the hooks it'll load them more than once i think

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 4:36 AM

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that's what that if statement is for

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the real issue is this. because it's only loaded once, the stuff in Start() is only run once.

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 4:36 AM

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just don't use the if

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 4:36 AM

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and one thing that happens in start is langStrings = new Dictionary<string, Dictionary<string, string>>();

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if I don't use the if then it loads infinitely many times

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 4:36 AM

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imo remove if and just add ondestroys

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ez

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 4:37 AM

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or I could just move this dictionary allocation to a function run every time

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 4:38 AM

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doesn't quitting out still unload everything

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 4:39 AM

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here's the thing. the hooks remain on quitting out since I never destroy them, that's why I only add them once

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but what doesn't remain is anything allocated in Start()

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any variables set there become unset

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etc

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 4:39 AM

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o

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i had the same issue

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that's why i added the ondestroy stuff

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but if all your stuff is hooks then the variable would probably be way easier

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 4:40 AM

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I'm gonna test my solution before I post it here

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you know what's weird. DLLs are always padded so they're exactly a multiple of 512 bytes.

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ever notice that?

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 4:44 AM

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woah

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that's neat

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 4:48 AM

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ok it works but I'm gonna add ondestory because that's the proper way to do stuff

flat forum May 13, 2018, 4:54 AM

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ummmm

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I tried hard mode

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but

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Grimm wasn't all that much harder

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also, I didn't get any text describing how much damage I did

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 4:56 AM

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do you have modcommon

flat forum May 13, 2018, 4:56 AM

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yeah

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I should have both

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 4:56 AM

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double check

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that's what happened to me the first time

flat forum May 13, 2018, 4:56 AM

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(API and modcommon)

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 4:56 AM

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did you quit to main menu before trying to play it

flat forum May 13, 2018, 4:56 AM

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Ok

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 4:56 AM

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I kinda broke something

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that I'm fixing now

flat forum May 13, 2018, 4:56 AM

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@compact sedge ?

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wdym

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 4:56 AM

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if you load a save

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then quit out

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mod breaks

flat forum May 13, 2018, 4:57 AM

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I got the mod things and then started the game

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Ok, going to the main manu and gonna try it again

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any explanation for why the text with "you did X damage doesn't appear"?

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so

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I have modcommon.dll

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the .json is set to "true"

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 4:59 AM

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quitting to the main menu and reloading it loading breaks it I'm fixing it right now.

flat forum May 13, 2018, 4:59 AM

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mhm

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can you send the latest version here?

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 4:59 AM

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let me fix it first

flat forum May 13, 2018, 4:59 AM

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Yeah

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 5:08 AM

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effin hell it wasn't working because I called it "OnDestory"

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 5:09 AM

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lmao

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 5:09 AM

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Probably should bump the version number but I'm lazy

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 5:09 AM

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should i upload that

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 5:09 AM

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actually

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let me bump the version number

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so don't

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 5:09 AM

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re

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ok

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 5:14 AM

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I made it so you don't have to rename the file... and then I uplaoded the wrong one

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I need some coffee

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or beer

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 5:17 AM

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lol

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 5:18 AM

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ok here

📎 apiinfinitegrimm.zip

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no need to rename anything either

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because I outsmarted discord, or something

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ok it's fixed @flat forum enjoy

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 5:23 AM

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you see

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that's where you're wrong

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still needs brackets

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but renamed it

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 5:24 AM

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what I put the brackets inside a zip inside that zip

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 5:24 AM

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lmao

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 5:24 AM

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📎 unknown.png

flat forum May 13, 2018, 5:24 AM

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Thanks

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 5:25 AM

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look there's brackets in there

flat forum May 13, 2018, 5:25 AM

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I'll trt it in a bit

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 5:25 AM

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yeah i saw

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and uploaded

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 5:25 AM

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does uploading to drive remove the brackets?

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or did my stupid hack actually work?

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 5:26 AM

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i took the zip out of the zip

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then uploaded

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 5:27 AM

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it's ok I'll never do that again

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 5:27 AM

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lmao

floral furnace May 13, 2018, 5:32 AM

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wait would OnDestroy stop the component on scene change?

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according to the documentation i mean

rain cedar May 13, 2018, 5:33 AM

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Depends on if the object is flagged to be destroyed on load

floral furnace May 13, 2018, 5:34 AM

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I see

rain cedar May 13, 2018, 5:35 AM

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Default is to be destroyed on load

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You have to call

Object.DontDestroyOnLoad(obj)

flat forum May 13, 2018, 5:51 AM

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uuuuuuhhhhh

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when does the "you did X damage text appear"?

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 5:52 AM

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after you die

flat forum May 13, 2018, 5:52 AM

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doesn't appear for me for some reason

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also, what does hard mode add?

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it;s just

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a bit faster

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not merely as hard as the video AA posted

rain cedar May 13, 2018, 5:53 AM

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You need to deal I think 11k damage to get to that speed

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It ramps up slowly

flat forum May 13, 2018, 5:54 AM

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but there were almost 2 attacks at every moment there

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so, HardMode just removes the upper limit of Grimm speed x3?

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 5:55 AM

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pretty sure it also builds up way faster

flat forum May 13, 2018, 5:55 AM

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mhm

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also, along with the "you did X damage" thing not appearing, Grimm doesn't appear either when I enter the tent, jsut the text box

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 5:58 AM

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wait what hold up can you take some screenshots folding

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that doesn't sound like proper behavior

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also take a screenshot of your mod versions and installed mods

delicate ether May 13, 2018, 5:59 AM

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what would it take to get multiplayer in hollow knight?

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lol

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 5:59 AM

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online multiplayer?

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definitely a lot of work

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There's an old multiplayer mod for dreamshield

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or whatever it's called

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one player controls the shield and the other player the knight

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def gonna have to downpatch to get it working though

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and I don't think it supports the API either

floral furnace May 13, 2018, 6:01 AM

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full multiplayer stuff would probably be possible, but it would definitely be really hard to implement

delicate ether May 13, 2018, 6:01 AM

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its always interesting how people add multiplaywer to games

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ive sen it happen in gta:sa and morrowind

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:01 AM

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I mean technically nothing's impossible but the sheer amount of work would make it not worth it probably

floral furnace May 13, 2018, 6:01 AM

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ye

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:01 AM

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morrowind has multiplayer because its entire engine was rewritten from scratch

delicate ether May 13, 2018, 6:02 AM

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i think subnautica also got multiplayer, but that was a bit easier

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:02 AM

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I guess that could happen to HK but meh I'm not putting in the work for that

floral furnace May 13, 2018, 6:02 AM

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together youll be coming up with not only technical issues, but gameplay issues too

delicate ether May 13, 2018, 6:02 AM

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lol

rain cedar May 13, 2018, 6:02 AM

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Everything in HK is a singleton

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Just not worth the effort fixing that

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:02 AM

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Honestly the best way to get multiplayer working in HK is rewriting it

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:02 AM

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hwew

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:02 AM

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sounds like too much work for me

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:02 AM

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here

floral furnace May 13, 2018, 6:02 AM

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~~might as well rewrite it on the unreal engine 4 /s~~

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:03 AM

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rewrite in c++

delicate ether May 13, 2018, 6:03 AM

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the idea came to me when i was considering buying 20XX, it has ultiplayer, but its also a much different game

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:03 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1384791621

Steam Community :: Screenshot

Steam Community: Hollow Knight.

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1382309148

Steam Community :: Screenshot

Steam Community: Hollow Knight.

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1384791676

Steam Community :: Screenshot

Steam Community: Hollow Knight.

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:03 AM

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update mod api and infinite grimm

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:03 AM

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but

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:03 AM

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they're both out of date

delicate ether May 13, 2018, 6:03 AM

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in reality though, a message sytem like darksouls in HK would be interesting as an actual idea some day

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:03 AM

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I downloaded the latest version

delicate ether May 13, 2018, 6:03 AM

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"danger ahead"

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:03 AM

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of Grimm

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:04 AM

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did you install it

delicate ether May 13, 2018, 6:04 AM

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"liar ahead"

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:04 AM

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where did you download it from

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the latest version should be 0.2.9.1

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:04 AM

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the steam

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the .zip

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lemme try again

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and the API?

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:05 AM

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modding api should be 41 and InfiniteGrimm should be 0.2.9.1

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:07 AM

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lemme try again

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:08 AM

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ok yeah if infinite grimm was at least 0.2.7 it would tell you to update modding api

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but I didn't add that functionality until that version

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:08 AM

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Uhhhhhhh

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The big "HOLLOW KNIGHT" disappeared from the main menu screen

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:09 AM

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does the menu still work

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because if so that's probably one of the other mods that also didn't work until you updated everything

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:09 AM

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well

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game crashed

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https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/921428223736443016/AFC7D150D90D3F804F606D3AD072D08C21E8527E/

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it said API as too old

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:10 AM

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like it should

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:10 AM

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can you send the latest one here

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:10 AM

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because you're on 39

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:10 AM

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I got the Google Drive one

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:10 AM

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wtf that's still not the newest one

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56 pls

rain cedar May 13, 2018, 6:10 AM

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That's a lot of mods

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:10 AM

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Yeah

floral furnace May 13, 2018, 6:11 AM

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were headed to bethesda games modding /s

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:11 AM

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latest API where?

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:11 AM

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To be clear you're going https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9Um9MeFZMV21oWGs right?

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:11 AM

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yeah

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:11 AM

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the download to the latest API is in the modlinks xml

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and https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/10Ju40Zn6Phu_4ybxlBHXMXUGsIp0Fiom should have 0.2.9.1

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can confirm that folder has the right version

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the sha1sums match

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so basically you see:

ModLink>
      <Name>Modding API</Name><!-- WRITES TO ASSEMBLY-CSHARP -->
      <Link><![CDATA[REDACTED]]></Link>
      <GOGLink><![CDATA[REDACTED]]></GOGLink>
      <DefaultInstallPath>/</DefaultInstallPath>
      <WritesOverAssembly>true</WritesOverAssembly>
      <Dependencies />
    </ModLink>
```???

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just copy that first link into a browser unless you have the GOG version of hollow knight.

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:13 AM

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or just use installer

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:14 AM

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or just use installer I guess

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:15 AM

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Ok, InfiniteGrimmis 2.9

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and API?

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:15 AM

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41

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look in modlinks.xml. see what I posted above

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:16 AM

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i n s t a l l e r

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reeee

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:16 AM

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actually yeah the installer will keep ur stuff up to date

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:16 AM

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just press redownload whenever you want to update

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ez

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:17 AM

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you're on windows, no?

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:17 AM

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yeah

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:17 AM

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yeah try the mod installer

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there's actually 2 I think

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:18 AM

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https://github.com/timoschwarzer/hollow-knight-mod-installer ?

GitHub

timoschwarzer/hollow-knight-mod-installer

hollow-knight-mod-installer - An easy-to-use mod installer for Hollow Knight

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:18 AM

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there's that one and crossroads.

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:18 AM

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I use this one

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?

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:19 AM

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ask 56 I use crossroads because I'm on Linux

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:19 AM

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noooooooooooo

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idek what that one is

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:19 AM

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sorry

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:19 AM

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use pinned ones big

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dungo

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:20 AM

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the pinned one is def more up to date

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:20 AM

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sorry

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:21 AM

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wait why is the enitre installer written in windows forms reeeee

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and the wrong slashes

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reee

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:22 AM

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lmao

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:22 AM

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windows supports both "/" and "\\" so why use \\ which isn't cross platform?

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:22 AM

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cause \\ lets you use spaces

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:23 AM

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what? You can do spaces with the other slash

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:23 AM

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what

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then you have to do

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:23 AM

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"C:/Users/username/App Data/local" works for example

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just use quotes

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:23 AM

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wow quotes big effort

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that's why i have zsh auto-completion

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:24 AM

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You don't have to use quotes but you gave up files with $ & < > * ? and probably others I don't know about

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:25 AM

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YouTube broke

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:25 AM

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so you can't name your file: thisisatextfile?.txt

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Taxes$$$$.xls

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:25 AM

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Mods Broke

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:25 AM

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boi

flat forum May 13, 2018, 6:25 AM

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Everything breaks

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:25 AM

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Mods hollowb roke

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:25 AM

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if you use quotes

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cause then you can't do globbing

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and globbing is life

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:26 AM

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no I mean in code not in bash or whatever

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in code no reason to do \\ over /

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like in c#

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:26 AM

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that's true

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but if it's written entirely in winforms

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:26 AM

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that's why I'm upset

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:26 AM

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then it's probably not gonna need cross compatibility anyways

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:27 AM

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winforms works in mono. Even in the really old version that unity ships with, that older version is buggy though, as notable by the semi-major bug in my linux port of crossroads.

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:27 AM

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wait what

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reeeeeeeee

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:27 AM

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yes it'ss true

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CKAN is written in winforms

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:28 AM

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what's ckan

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:28 AM

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and it's a C# mod manager that works on every os

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for KSP

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kerbal space program

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 6:28 AM

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o

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:49 AM

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aww hell yeah just got 5977 on recording

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only two hits off from getting the 6k message

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Too bad it's gonna take like an hour to encode

rain cedar May 13, 2018, 6:55 AM

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Wow it only takes me like 1.5 hours to upload 2 hours of 1080p60 video to youtube

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And then like another 10 minutes to have the proper quality options

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:55 AM

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I'm reencoding it at 6mbps h265 so it's a 1GB movie instead of a 4GB one

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so I can actually upload it to youtube on my internet speed

rain cedar May 13, 2018, 6:56 AM

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How bad is your net? Mine is pretty spotty but I still have no issues uploading

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:56 AM

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it's not bad it's just 4GB upload will take a long time on 5mbps upload

rain cedar May 13, 2018, 6:57 AM

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Yeah makes sense

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5 is pretty shit

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:57 AM

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If I ever do videos for a living I'm getting a threadripper though so I can encode super fast

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those things are crazy

rain cedar May 13, 2018, 6:58 AM

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Never heard of that

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:58 AM

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it's a cpu with like 16 cores at like 3.5GHz for $800 ish

rain cedar May 13, 2018, 6:59 AM

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Oh, I see

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That's a lot of money for a processor

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 6:59 AM

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16 core non-server cpus didn't even exist like a year ago

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 7:00 AM

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that cpu costs what my entire pc costs

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 7:00 AM

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same but I'm on a 4 core laptop

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 7:00 AM

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hk with a vm on a laptop

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how is your laptop alive

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 7:00 AM

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I have 16GB of ram and I'm using kvm which is really efficient

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I bought it with 8 and then bought a second 8GB stick and installed it because it was cheaper that way

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 7:01 AM

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i really want to get another gpu

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so i can do a passthrough

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and never have to reboot again

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 7:01 AM

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I had a passthrough setup when I was on my desktop

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GTX 660 native, r7 250 VM.

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 7:02 AM

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nice

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 7:03 AM

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I mostly used it for when friends came over to have 2 computers in one

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because I had an extra set of keyboards, mice, and headphones for a guest

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 7:03 AM

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that's neat

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You can pass devices to x11 sessions, right?

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I was reading an arch wiki article on it

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so you can have 1 gpu, two x11 sessions

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w/ 2 sets of input devices

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 7:04 AM

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yes I think but it doesn't work with full screen games

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and for borderless windowed having 1 midrange 600 series gpu makes it kinda bad for gaming

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I bet with a 1070 or other super high end gpu, and with some lightweight games it will work really well though

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 7:05 AM

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yeah

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hollow knight could probably work w/ my gpu

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which is just a 960

rain cedar May 13, 2018, 7:06 AM

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I could run borderlands 2 1080p on both monitors fine with a 780

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So you don't necessarily need a 10 series

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But 780 is obviously still really good

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 7:06 AM

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sure but the 660 just didn't cut it when I tried

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and now I can't try because I sold most of the hardware for college.

rain cedar May 13, 2018, 7:07 AM

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Yeah the x60 cards are not that great

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 7:07 AM

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960 big sad

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 7:07 AM

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well 660 is just a lot older

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like the 960 crushes the 660 and the 1060 crushes both

copper nacelle May 13, 2018, 7:08 AM

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yeah

flat forum May 13, 2018, 4:42 PM

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by the way, what determines how many Notches does a charm cost?

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Are they listed somewhere

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other than in the save file

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and where can I find the Spell Twister Code?

leaden hedge May 13, 2018, 4:43 PM

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spell fsm

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notches are in playerdata

feral python May 13, 2018, 5:26 PM

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So

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Where's the mods

void tree May 13, 2018, 5:43 PM

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📌

exotic venture May 13, 2018, 6:12 PM

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the mods are here

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on the ground

leaden hedge May 13, 2018, 6:12 PM

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no

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mods are gay

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it is known

exotic venture May 13, 2018, 6:12 PM

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but you make mods

leaden hedge May 13, 2018, 6:12 PM

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it is known

supple sigil May 13, 2018, 7:20 PM

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proper pelican May 13, 2018, 10:09 PM

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what are some good HK mods

hollow pier May 13, 2018, 10:09 PM

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play lightbringer

young walrus May 13, 2018, 10:09 PM

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I would say Sean, but he doesn't even watch runs

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 10:11 PM

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have you heard of this mod called "Lightbringer"

proper pelican May 13, 2018, 10:13 PM

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whats lightbringer

compact sedge May 13, 2018, 10:13 PM

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It's a mod that you should supposedly play

proper pelican May 13, 2018, 10:13 PM

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what does it do

young walrus May 13, 2018, 10:20 PM

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blows your mind

solemn rivet May 13, 2018, 10:21 PM

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Brings light (allegedly)

floral furnace May 14, 2018, 12:50 AM

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Try checking Kerr's ModCommon, he has sample mods there

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 12:50 AM

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also api has example mods

floral furnace May 14, 2018, 12:52 AM

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Visual Studio 2017 correct?

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another not technically required, but highly highly highly recommended is Dnspy

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this allows you to read other mod's dll, and see how they do it in their mods

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 12:53 AM

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vs isn't required either

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highly recommended tho

floral furnace May 14, 2018, 12:54 AM

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community

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prof and enterprise is for those guys in businesses at that point, if understand it correctly

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 12:55 AM

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what

floral furnace May 14, 2018, 12:55 AM

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you mean the VS installer?

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no just open mod common

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there should be another folder called "sample mods"

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 12:58 AM

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Yeah idk what he's on about, example mods are here https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/tree/master/ExampleMods

floral furnace May 14, 2018, 12:58 AM

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ahh my mistake

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mustve remembered incorrectly

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my bad, forgot its "ExampleMods" not "SampleMods" (also wrong folder, been sometime since i used it)

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 1:05 AM

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.sln or .csproj

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 1:06 AM

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https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/blob/master/ExampleMods/Source/ExampleMod1/ExampleMod1.csproj

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Big think

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Is this an actual explorer or the file open dialog?

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If the latter switch to all files in the bottom right

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 1:10 AM

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what are you doing wtf

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File -> Open -> Open Solution

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 1:10 AM

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Or just double click the file

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Visual studio should have set up proper file associations

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 1:11 AM

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what did you select

floral furnace May 14, 2018, 1:11 AM

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ExampleMod.sln?

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 1:11 AM

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Well .csproj is a project file

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And you don't seem very good at using computers

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So I'm inclined to not believe that that's what you did

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:12 AM

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can't you literally just double click on ExampleMod1.sln

floral furnace May 14, 2018, 1:12 AM

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yeah sln files should even have the icons now once you installed VS

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 1:12 AM

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watching

dusky lion May 14, 2018, 1:13 AM

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There be nothing here.

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 1:13 AM

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Go up one folder

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:13 AM

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https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/tree/master/ExampleMods

GitHub

seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding

Contribute to HollowKnight.Modding development by creating an account on GitHub.

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nothing there

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nothing at all

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 1:13 AM

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up

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big think

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:13 AM

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up 2 levels actually

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for some reason

young walrus May 14, 2018, 1:13 AM

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"go up one folder"
goes down

floral furnace May 14, 2018, 1:13 AM

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Dont go to the subfolders

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:14 AM

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oh my god

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 1:14 AM

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ok_grimm

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:14 AM

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do you have file extensions turned off

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please

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turn that on

young walrus May 14, 2018, 1:15 AM

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Did you install VS?

dusky lion May 14, 2018, 1:15 AM

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Yes I did.

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 1:15 AM

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no, we're not

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 1:15 AM

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literally go to the folder that says ExampleMods

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and click on

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ExampleMod.sln

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 1:15 AM

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^

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finch, you have two options

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manually navigate to the solution file and open it

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:17 AM

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📎 example.png

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 1:17 AM

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/open it via the VS file selector

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:17 AM

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hey what's this weird file

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 1:17 AM

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OR

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you can open a new project in VS, a new c# class library, and copy paste the contents of examplemod.sln from the github

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:19 AM

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tbh the only example mod that was helpful was Example Mod 3 with the global config examples

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TURN ON EXTENSIONS WTF

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 1:19 AM

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turn on file extensions

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 1:19 AM

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Nice file extensions

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Also .sln is associated with notepad hollowwoke

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 1:20 AM

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ExampleMod.sln

📎 unknown.png

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 1:20 AM

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umm

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look under "type"

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^

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 1:20 AM

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right click it

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-> open with

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-> visual studio

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:21 AM

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visual studio probably isn't installed

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otherwise you'd get a mimetype for SLN

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 1:21 AM

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So nobody else thinks it's weird that somehow notepad of all things is set to open solutions?

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:21 AM

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it would say Visual Studio Solution

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instead of SLN file

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 1:21 AM

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but he had the VS open folder dialogue open

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/445393046423470080/unknown.png

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:21 AM

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how did you install VS?

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 1:21 AM

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i think

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 1:21 AM

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well, sean, prolly they needed to open some other solution at some point in their lives, and didn't have VS/whatever installed

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is my best guess

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:22 AM

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is there a VS portable

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 1:22 AM

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no

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there's VS code i guess

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:22 AM

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btw vs code doesn't support solutions because MS is dungo

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 1:22 AM

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oh

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didn't know that

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:22 AM

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it doesn't support a lot of things

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 1:22 AM

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does vs code have solutions

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 1:23 AM

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monodevelop is better imo

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no it's more folder based

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 1:23 AM

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yeah i couldn't find the dialogue he was in

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for VS or VS Code

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nvm

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found it

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it's just open project

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he has VS

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 1:24 AM

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yup

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Finch - did you make it?

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 1:25 AM

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@dusky lion

📎 unknown.png

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the file that says ExampleMod

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and under type that says SLN

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do that

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?

summer badge May 14, 2018, 3:24 AM

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hey, is anyone here able to help me with somethin

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im trying to install the debug mod, and i got the API working, but the debug mod won't

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 3:25 AM

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installer

summer badge May 14, 2018, 3:25 AM

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there's an installer?

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 3:25 AM

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📌

summer badge May 14, 2018, 3:26 AM

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there's 61 pages dafuwq

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how do i find the pinned one

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the right one

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 3:26 AM

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what

summer badge May 14, 2018, 3:26 AM

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oh im dumb nvm

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thanks fam

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 3:29 AM

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61 pages

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of what

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oh

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you searched for installer

summer badge May 14, 2018, 3:32 AM

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hold up

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its installed

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working

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but

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the health bar thing

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doesn't work

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it's the whole reason i installed the debug mod

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i have it enabled, but its not doing nothin

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 3:33 AM

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enemyhpbars big think

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 3:34 AM

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wut

summer badge May 14, 2018, 3:34 AM

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im fighting hornet 2, but it says it cant locate any enemies

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 3:34 AM

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56^

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 3:34 AM

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install enemy hp bars

summer badge May 14, 2018, 3:34 AM

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dafuq

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 3:34 AM

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have you tried

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looking through the installer

summer badge May 14, 2018, 3:35 AM

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oh

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alright

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i looked earlier

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didnt see it

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 3:45 AM

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Debug mod hasn't been updated for lifeblood

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Idk what works, but from what I've heard it's most everything except HP bars

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 3:45 AM

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yea

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Idk if I'll ever feel like updating that

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It's a miracle I even remade randomizer

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 3:59 AM

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this is cool looking

📎 unknown.png

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 4:17 AM

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Space gods

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 4:19 AM

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Cthulhu a playable char when

steep sail May 14, 2018, 5:54 AM

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Who made a Crossroads UI?!

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It`s small

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I cannot read small ietters

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Aaand... During loads HP bars doesn`t disapperar

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 6:02 AM

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What resolution is your monitor?

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UI design often does not take into account higher resolutions

steep sail May 14, 2018, 6:04 AM

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1920*1080

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Usual laptop

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Nothing strange

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 6:06 AM

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Can you send a screenshot of your full monitor with it open so I can see the size?

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Nah actually I see what you mean

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Hadn't actually used it before, but nobody has complained so I figured it was fine

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The bottom text is pretty blurry

flat forum May 14, 2018, 6:08 AM

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@copper nacelle how did this happen?

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I want it too

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 6:09 AM

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all the text is kinda blurry

📎 unknown.png

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also look at those deps

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Compare to the window title text

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 6:10 AM

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Should've used winforms tbh

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 6:10 AM

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it does

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and it's not pretty

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the problem is it uses win forms but also the unity version of mono

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so the winforms don't work properly on any OS

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 6:10 AM

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Nice

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I've done stuff in winforms and it looks fine

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But also not cross platform

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 6:10 AM

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it is

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just use the correct slashes

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and it will work on at least mac and linux

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 6:11 AM

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It compiles to an exe, though

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 6:11 AM

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that's literally why mono exists

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it's for building cross platform exes

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 6:11 AM

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Ok so it's not actually cross platform, you just can use a wrapper

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 6:12 AM

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a wrapper that's officially sponsored by microsoft and used by giant game engines like Unity

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but yeah I guess it's just a wrapper.

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this isn't wine or something

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 6:12 AM

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I mean I don't have high opinions of either of those companies

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But I believe you it works well

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 6:13 AM

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if you're writing c# I don't see what other option you have

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mono exists because MS wanted C# to be the next java

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and java runs on everything

wet wagon May 14, 2018, 6:13 AM

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whats a wrapper? just reading and got curious

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 6:13 AM

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It's sorta like an emulator

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Kinda

wet wagon May 14, 2018, 6:14 AM

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ahh ok

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 6:14 AM

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but anyway .net is a wrapper on windows too if you think about it.

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.net exes are not native assembly.

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they're some weird pseudo bytecode thingy

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 6:15 AM

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Yeah, suppose so

steep sail May 14, 2018, 6:38 AM

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WTF?!
Flukenest stop working

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Its doesnt deal damage!

rain cedar May 14, 2018, 6:43 AM

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That's unfortunate

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 6:43 AM

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why are backticks quotes

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anyway rip

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 8:15 AM

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so uh this is weird but when I manually build modding api 41 from the github it works with controllers on linux but when I download the same version from the drive it doesn't?

brave horizon May 14, 2018, 3:57 PM

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so, i got the hpbar mod, but i dont see its effects, what does it do?

young walrus May 14, 2018, 3:59 PM

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shows HP bars for bosses

brave horizon May 14, 2018, 4:00 PM

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oh, i tried it on regular enemies, my bad then

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thank you for the quick answer!

young walrus May 14, 2018, 4:00 PM

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there's another mod that does it for all enemies

brave horizon May 14, 2018, 4:00 PM

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ok, ill get that then

young walrus May 14, 2018, 4:00 PM

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should be enemy hpbar

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by gradow, hollow niko, and Kdt

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the one by kdt is only bosses

brave horizon May 14, 2018, 4:01 PM

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found it

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again, thank you

young walrus May 14, 2018, 4:02 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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i think the top one does bosses as well

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iirc

brave horizon May 14, 2018, 4:04 PM

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i'll see when i try it out

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ye, the top one includes bosses as well

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 4:28 PM

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it does, but KDT's original one is more DS-like for bosses

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they have big bars and all

leaden hedge May 14, 2018, 4:35 PM

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although it doesn't work for LB

iron crown May 14, 2018, 4:35 PM

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imo merge the mods so KDT's is for bosses and the other is for random dungos

leaden hedge May 14, 2018, 4:39 PM

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it should do that

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but gradow compiles enemy hpbar

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 5:03 PM

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I can do that, actually

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but :effort:

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 5:04 PM

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meirl

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 5:06 PM

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really, tho

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I just got back from that conference

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I need to rest for a bit

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wtf

📎 unknown.png

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VS doesn't know what a float is, even tho it knows where to find the definition

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nice

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 6:28 PM

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k, well, got it to work, but bosses with multiple hp bars (mantis, FK etc.) stack their bars

kindred forum May 14, 2018, 7:02 PM

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it would be cool if someone modded THK to be a hard boss

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 7:03 PM

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It would be cool if you modded THK to be a hard boss

kindred forum May 14, 2018, 7:03 PM

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i have no coding knowledge outside of lua xd

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nty

supple sigil May 14, 2018, 7:03 PM

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but if you do make it so that you can skip it to the radiance once youve beaten him

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 7:04 PM

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don't worry C# is written for people with very little coding shills

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shills?

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skills

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Oh, that's why I can "code" in c#

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Meh even then I can't code in it. Almost everything I've done is an amalgamation of snippets of everyone else's mods.

hollow pier May 14, 2018, 7:09 PM

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753 is the biggest coding shill

young walrus May 14, 2018, 7:09 PM

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it would be cool if the whole game was modded to be a different game entirely, but me no do it b/c no coding skill

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someone else do it

supple sigil May 14, 2018, 7:09 PM

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whats the point

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just make a new game

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 7:10 PM

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/s

young walrus May 14, 2018, 7:10 PM

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zote

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Guys imagine Hollow Knight but it's a first person 3d action adventure where you fight with a gun and instead of the enemies being bugs they're people, and you're in a realistic depiction of a modern city

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Iconic

young walrus May 14, 2018, 7:11 PM

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sounds like too much big think

supple sigil May 14, 2018, 7:11 PM

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sounds like ~~call of duty~~ minecraft

hollow pier May 14, 2018, 7:11 PM

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sorry no can do too many """""fsms""""

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 7:11 PM

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You ever think so big it overflowed

young walrus May 14, 2018, 7:12 PM

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no. vessel too large to overflow

supple sigil May 14, 2018, 7:12 PM

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VOID HEART

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never think overflow again

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 7:12 PM

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man I should use void hearts instead of integers

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so I don't need to worry about overflow

hollow pier May 14, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Consumed the Integer

young walrus May 14, 2018, 7:13 PM

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see, now you turn small think into big think

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use many brain

supple sigil May 14, 2018, 7:13 PM

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the math shall be united under the bearer's will

hollow pier May 14, 2018, 7:13 PM

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how much think could a thinkthuck thuck if a thinkthuck could think thuck

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 7:13 PM

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ah math, the one part of coding I can actually do.

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mostly

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 7:14 PM

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absolutely not me irl

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 7:14 PM

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thanks to wolframalpha

leaden hedge May 14, 2018, 7:14 PM

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math big gay

copper nacelle May 14, 2018, 7:14 PM

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^

leaden hedge May 14, 2018, 7:14 PM

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matrices gay

hollow pier May 14, 2018, 7:14 PM

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kdt big gay

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counting when

young walrus May 14, 2018, 7:14 PM

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ptkyr, youre home, go drunk

leaden hedge May 14, 2018, 7:14 PM

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4d matrices big gay

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 7:14 PM

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tfw you use a matrix in your code but you aren't even 100% sure how it works.

hollow pier May 14, 2018, 7:14 PM

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10d or bust

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 7:14 PM

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save me

iron crown May 14, 2018, 7:14 PM

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mathematics big no

leaden hedge May 14, 2018, 7:14 PM

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you only need 4d matrices though

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10d is 6 too many

supple sigil May 14, 2018, 7:15 PM

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why is this conversation happening in modding?

hollow pier May 14, 2018, 7:15 PM

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it's actually twenty too many

leaden hedge May 14, 2018, 7:15 PM

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ur mum costs twenty too many

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and she only charges five monies

hollow pier May 14, 2018, 7:15 PM

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modder abuse

leaden hedge May 14, 2018, 7:15 PM

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ban imo

young walrus May 14, 2018, 7:15 PM

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oh shit!

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your mom is negative monies

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either that, or KDT is a prostitute

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cuz she paid him

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pretty bad

leaden hedge May 14, 2018, 7:17 PM

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moderate this

compact sedge May 14, 2018, 7:17 PM

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might as well be just a speedrunner

young walrus May 14, 2018, 7:20 PM

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or an SRC mod

leaden hedge May 14, 2018, 7:27 PM

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unrelated to shitposts
@solemn rivet you can fix stacked healthbars either by hardcoding or just doing something like
make an extended class just for healthbars which might stack
give it a static list of that class
in its constructor add it to that list and put its position to something like basePositionX, basePositionY + (list.Count * yOffset)
and OnDestroy remove it from list, iterate over list and recalculate position based on items iterated over instead of list.Count

solemn rivet May 14, 2018, 9:24 PM

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Yeah, that was my idea KDT, I just didn't have the time to do it

dapper nexus May 15, 2018, 12:08 AM

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I have a little bit of a problem

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I think I installed correctly?

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📎 unknown.png

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this shows up on my top left

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but I can't see the bosses HP?

exotic venture May 15, 2018, 12:10 AM

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that one doesn't work with that version of the game

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You need EnemyHPBars

dapper nexus May 15, 2018, 12:10 AM

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oooh, I'm such a retard lol. I found the "HpBar" and I stopped scrolling down!

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Thanks

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:11 AM

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the real problem is there's no minimum/maximum version info on mods for mod managers to use

exotic venture May 15, 2018, 12:12 AM

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everything from 1.2.2.1 doesn't work

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if it doesn't have 1.3.x.x in it it doesn't work

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guaranteed

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:13 AM

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No I mean data on version needed doesn't exist for programs like crossroads

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to use

exotic venture May 15, 2018, 12:13 AM

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and if it isn't current patch, 1.3.1.5 it almost always breaks

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oh they are probably outdated

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:13 AM

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speaking of which maybe I should make my own mod manager because all the existing ones are written in windows forms

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 12:19 AM

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hey, don't judge me, ok?

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I can't code for shit

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winforms is the best I can do

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:19 AM

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me too thanks

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actually which mod manager did you make

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 12:20 AM

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scratch that, forgot to bump ver number

📎 EnemyHPBar.dll

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eh

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the not-crossroads one

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:21 AM

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because I can't send a PR for crossroads multiplatform support until unity updates their mono but I'd be happy to look into getting mutiplatform support for yours

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 12:21 AM

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well, if there's anything I can do to help

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for instance, I can invert the \ if that would please you

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@dapper nexus there's a new version just above that adds a special hpbar for bosses

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while also having bars for every enemy

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also, I have to start commenting on my codes

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must be awful for anyone reading them

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:24 AM

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No don't do anything. I send good PR do test in windows and lunix and u do test urself to makesure I no mess nothin up and if it's good accept it.

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fuck why did I write that like that

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Ugh

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But yeah don't do anything

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 12:24 AM

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i don't test pr tbh

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don't abuse btw

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 12:26 AM

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also, KDT, if I'm not crediting you enough in the enemyhpbars mod, please do tell me

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:26 AM

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Hey here's a patch to make the code go faster in one of your mods:

1,32d0
< using System;
< using System.Collections.Generic;
< using System.Linq;
< using Modding;
< using GlobalEnums;
< using UnityEngine;
< using HutongGames;
< using FsmUtils;
< 
< namespace NGG
< {
<     public class NGG : Mod
<     {
< 
<         private static string version = "0.2.1";
< 
<         public override string GetVersion()
<         {
<             return version;
<         }
< 
<         public override void Initialize()
<         {
<             ModHooks.ModLog("Initializing Nightmare God Grimm");
< 
<             GameManager.instance.gameObject.AddComponent<BossFinder>();
< 
<             ModHooks.ModLog("Initialized Nightmare God Grimm");
<         }
< 
<     }
< }

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 12:26 AM

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I do feel you deserve most of the credit

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:26 AM

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trust me is good patch

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oh yeah props for making that mod though in all seriousness

#

Maybe I should explicitly credit you better in mine because it really did help me

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ok done

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 12:36 AM

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I don't really care too much about credit for stuff.
I think everyone (that matters) probably knows enemyhpbars uses hpbars as a reference and the same for infgrimm + ngg

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I occassionally get people asking me about stuff im only indirectly related to

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:37 AM

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I used your FSMUtil mostly. For NGG it was just looking at the animations you decided to change the speed of

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which I'm not sure how you decided on

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but I decided that because you picked those particular animations, they would be ok running at 3x speed.

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 12:39 AM

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other animations just shortened the attacks on old patch

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so he'd just dash like 1/2 distance at double fps

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:39 AM

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oh yeah about that, you need to modify waits which are functions run by the fsm

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also there's like 6-7 animations you can edit that don't affect distance

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 12:40 AM

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doesn't really make a difference, then

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the attack takes the same amount of time

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you'd want to edit the velocity

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and the anim speed

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so it covers the same distance in a shorter time

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and that causes all sorts of issues on slower pcs

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:40 AM

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I didn't do that at all because I felt it could make it impossible to dodge at very fast speeds

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even with what I did change though the avg fps goes from like 70 after balloon 2 to around 45-50 on my low end laptop after lots of damage

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are you ever gonna update that mod anyway?

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 12:42 AM

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maybe this patch should have been made redundant ages ago

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early 2018 was when GNG was supposed to come out

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:43 AM

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well it's not like GNG is gonna reintroduce the health fsm

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so updating for lifeblood will reduce the work needed to update for GNG probably

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 12:44 AM

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maybe graig will have not lied

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and all fsms are actual gone

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in gng

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Well if you ever do decide to: I have in my code 4 additional animations I personally believe are safe (IE not RNG BS, and no need to modify velocity) to make run up to 1.5x speed, and 6 wait states that are the same way, as well as an additional 7 wait states that I believe can run at 2.5x speed without breaking the fight.

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ofc this is not including the random spikes or the double grimms, which might make these speeds unplayable

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 12:48 AM

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pretty sure I made the spikes slower for memes

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:49 AM

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yeah but it's still too hard for me because I'm not a gaming god.

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idk if the spikes start slower but I do know they get slower through the fight. from 6 fps to 2 fps

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interestingly you make the teleport in and teleport out animations slower on the first phase but slash recover, uppercut end, and evade end faster. Also you mess with some of the state transitions.

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 12:55 AM

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teleporting is probably to mess with muscle memory without me actually having to playtest to ensure its still doable

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i could make them faster to mess with muscle memory slightly

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but that could also make it impossible to do with spikes

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:55 AM

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wow that is the exact opposite of what I'm trying to accomplish

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you're a monster

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but then again it is a hardmode fight for a reason

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I guess

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I'm amazed anyone managed to beat it

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 12:58 AM

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well most of anything which is coded in ngg
is specifically a fix to any "exploits" or unintended easyness

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thats why the positioning of the spikes is done by me

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instead of letting vanilla handling it for instance

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because vanilla only actually has 2 "random" positions

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and it made it very easy to dodge

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 12:59 AM

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So not every spot is unsafe with vanilla spikes?

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:00 AM

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what's dreamshield coop

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:00 AM

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i think theres no "safe" spot but theres spots you can sit on and you only have to move a few pixels left/right to dodge any spikes that spawn

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dreamshield coop lets a 2nd player play as dreamshield

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controlled with numpad

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:01 AM

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that sounds weird

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:01 AM

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it is

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:01 AM

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I'm worried about using pure rng spikes and getting impossible to dodge situations

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:02 AM

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i don't think ngg is pure random

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:02 AM

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like if there was a cluster around the knight and another cluster exactly 1 dash length away

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:02 AM

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each spike is assigned an area it can spawn in

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:02 AM

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do semirng then

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ye

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that

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:02 AM

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also the hitboxes on spikes are very small

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way smaller than they look at the base

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:03 AM

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that makes more sense

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:04 AM

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probably unlikely to hit anyone good with spikes anyway

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could make them extremely fast

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so they are only on the screen for 0.1 seconds

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but they cover the entire screen

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:06 AM

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so uh just a quick count. how many people have beaten NGG on its current difficulty as it currently stands?

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Like if you were to just estimate a number

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:06 AM

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0

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trinomi has only done it segmented

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:06 AM

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0 without cheating

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:06 AM

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nobody

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yup

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:07 AM

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so you wanna make it harder

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:07 AM

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ye why not

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:07 AM

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ok

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:07 AM

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the actual hard part is 2x grimm

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the first 3 phases can be no hit pretty consistently ™

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:08 AM

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the actual hard part for me is that you have 2x grimm both with like 4k health

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that's a lot of health

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:08 AM

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they don't have 4k hp

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:08 AM

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3.6k no?

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:08 AM

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they only have whatever the last grimm had

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:08 AM

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no 3.2k

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:08 AM

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@leaden hedge

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📎 unknown.png

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:08 AM

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yeah i put them back to 100% hp

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:08 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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that's a bit more than 100% I think

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:09 AM

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but it then goes (if hme.getfsmint("hp").value + hme.getfsmint("hp").value < 5400 ) kill both

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:09 AM

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oh

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ok ¯_(ツ)_/¯

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:09 AM

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this is just so you dont kill one before it should die

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and run vanillas kill code

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i dunno

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what does modlog.txt say

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 1:10 AM

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d u n n o

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:10 AM

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its in your save folder

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:10 AM

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so like 800 health then between the two of them

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:10 AM

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might be more tbh

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:10 AM

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that doesn't sound as bad except for how hard they are

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:10 AM

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but its not 3.2k each

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:10 AM

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(3200 * 2) - 5400 = 800

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:11 AM

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ye thats my guess

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:11 AM

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but clearly that's too low

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:11 AM

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i wrote that code a while ago hollowface

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:11 AM

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they should have more like 12000 health between them

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:11 AM

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if ((hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("HP").Value + hme2.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("HP").Value <= 5600)){
                        hme.SetState("Pause");
                        hme2.SetState("Pause");
                        s4 = true;
}

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:12 AM

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[INFO]:[ModManager] - Initializing
[INFO]:[ModManager] - Initialized
[ERROR]:[API] - Couldn't check for new version.System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Array index is out of range.
  at Modding.ModHooks..ctor () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
[INFO]:GameLoading
[INFO]:[API] - Trying to load mods
[ERROR]:[API] - Error: System.TypeLoadException: Could not load type 'Modding.OnEnableEnemyHandler' from assembly 'EnemyHPBar'.
  at Modding.ModLoader.LoadMod (IMod mod, Boolean updateModText) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at Modding.ModLoader.LoadMods () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
[INFO]:Saving Global Settings
[INFO]:Saving Global Settings

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:12 AM

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er

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@solemn rivet does enemyhpbar require anything

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 1:12 AM

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might require modcommon

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imo just try it anyway

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no harm

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:12 AM

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what's modcommon

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 1:12 AM

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mod

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:12 AM

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eh

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:13 AM

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Could not load type 'Modding.OnEnableEnemyHandler' sounds like it's missing a function in the API

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:13 AM

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no, it does not

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:13 AM

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like the modding api lost a function

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or the version of the API used is too old

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yeah it's only 39

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update your api to version 41

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:13 AM

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he installed it with crossroads afaik

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:13 AM

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i used the version that was in the readme :Y

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 1:13 AM

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39 still has the hook iirc

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I'd check but effort

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:14 AM

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idk I build against modding API version 40 because that's what version was out when I first started

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:14 AM

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just download the latest from the drive I guess

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I build against 1.2.2.1 - something lol

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truly the greatest patch

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:15 AM

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I'm testing it against -40 and it's working fine

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:15 AM

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ah yes version "something"

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 1:15 AM

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that's my favorite version

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I build against that too

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:15 AM

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version numbers are just like a label man

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they don't define me or my api

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:16 AM

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i don't see the latest api on the drive

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or any api for that matter

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 1:16 AM

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#define my_api 1.2.2.1-something

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:16 AM

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wut

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:16 AM

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its the first link

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you should change to list view

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:17 AM

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📎 unknown.png

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:17 AM

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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9X1ZrWGFxUGdydTg

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:17 AM

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:Y

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:17 AM

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oh

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you have name asc

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sort by desc

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and its first

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:17 AM

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or

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scroll down

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:18 AM

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oh ok

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i was looking for "m" as the first letter

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it wasn't

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:18 AM

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well its author - modname

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despite it constantly tripping over users

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:19 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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wait

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is there not a 1.3.1.5 for windows?

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 1:20 AM

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wtf

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:20 AM

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wtf²

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:20 AM

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should be first link

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 1:20 AM

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also did google drive get a huge layout change

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i mean

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design change

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for anyone else

leaden hedge May 15, 2018, 1:20 AM

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📎 unknown.png

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:20 AM

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📎 unknown.png

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:20 AM

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weird i refreshed and it's there now

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 1:21 AM

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new design pretty neat

📎 unknown.png

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:21 AM

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don't have that 56

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 1:21 AM

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huh

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maybe they're rolling out slowly

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:22 AM

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hurray

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📎 unknown.png

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:24 AM

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eh

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:24 AM

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i found a minor bug with the health bar

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:24 AM

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use this btw

📎 EnemyHPBar.dll

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:24 AM

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ueh?

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is that a newer one?

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:24 AM

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idk where you got yours from, but that's an older version you're using

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I just posted this today

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:25 AM

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i got it from the drive

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:25 AM

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yeah, it's outdated as of like 15 minutes ago

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also

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wut bug

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:25 AM

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i'll see if it's fixed with the new version first

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:25 AM

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k

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:28 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

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@solemn rivet

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:28 AM

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but it disappears after, right?

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or does it stay on screen, even in the title menu

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:40 AM

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it disappears after the title screen loads

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which is why i say it's a minor bug instead of a major bug haha

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:41 AM

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how is that a bug tho

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the bar disappears when the enemy is despawned

rain cedar May 15, 2018, 1:42 AM

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It's not really a bug, but it still looks off

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You could try to get your hp bars to render behind that black overlay if you care enough

steel patio May 15, 2018, 1:43 AM

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^that.

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it'd make it look more natural

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:45 AM

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I can try listening for sceneUnloaded

rain cedar May 15, 2018, 1:45 AM

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Probably not any different

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:45 AM

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hm...

rain cedar May 15, 2018, 1:46 AM

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Not worth the effort imo

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 1:46 AM

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^

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:46 AM

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^

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I mean

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if I can figure out how the game is handling those fade ins/outs, I can probably try something

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but... :effort:

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 1:47 AM

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:holloweffort: when

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:48 AM

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not soon enough, that's when

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sadgrub

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 1:48 AM

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too true

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:55 AM

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I think I can do somthing if I used the monomod detour thingie

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        if (menu.title != null)
        {
            this.StartCoroutine(this.FadeOutCanvasGroup(menu.title));
        }
        if (me```

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I can hook on to FadeOutCanvasGroup... And disable the hpbars when it's called

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 1:56 AM

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does that still not let you build with .net 3.5

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 1:56 AM

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I think it does

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dunno

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turns out that's actually the menu option for selecting "Quit to Title Screen?"

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got it

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let's see if this works...

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📎 EnemyHPBar.dll

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@steel patio

steel patio May 15, 2018, 2:17 AM

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not at all.

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📎 unknown.png

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@solemn rivet

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:17 AM

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?

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what do you mean?

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oh

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oops

steel patio May 15, 2018, 2:18 AM

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lol

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:18 AM

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you need to add another reference

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because of how I fixed it

steel patio May 15, 2018, 2:18 AM

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it's paused here, but the health bar isn't there

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like at all

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 2:18 AM

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inb4 no hooks dll

steel patio May 15, 2018, 2:18 AM

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what do you mean another ref?

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:18 AM

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oh

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where is it, 56?

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I just checked the gdrive

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 2:19 AM

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uhh

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📎 Hooks.dll

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i really should put it on the gdrive

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:19 AM

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thanks

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 2:19 AM

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who do i put as author tho

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:19 AM

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add that to the mods folder, EIFire

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ehh

steel patio May 15, 2018, 2:19 AM

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what's hooks do

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:19 AM

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0x0ade and yourself?

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it's not a mod

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it's like the API

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mods are built using it

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 2:20 AM

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yea

steel patio May 15, 2018, 2:20 AM

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uhh

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so i

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where do i put it

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:20 AM

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in the mods folder

steel patio May 15, 2018, 2:20 AM

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oh ok

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 2:21 AM

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this is the best

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i didn't want to make another zip

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so i took a zip i had

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:21 AM

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beest

steel patio May 15, 2018, 2:21 AM

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okay so

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 2:22 AM

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i took a zip i had

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and removed the mod in it

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:22 AM

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ur key gay

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 2:22 AM

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and put hooks in it

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:22 AM

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wow

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so much harder than simply making the zip

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gj

steel patio May 15, 2018, 2:22 AM

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it still shows up over the dimmed overlay, but the health bar goes away when you click "quit to menu"

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📎 unknown.png

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:22 AM

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oh

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 2:22 AM

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whenever i make the zip it doesn't work

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therefore

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:22 AM

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yeah

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 2:22 AM

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changing zips is easier

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:22 AM

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didn't know THAT was what was bothering you

steel patio May 15, 2018, 2:22 AM

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oh

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mb

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:22 AM

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I thought it was just the fade out thing

steel patio May 15, 2018, 2:23 AM

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I'll be a little clearer in the future.

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:23 AM

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elderbug

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np

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 2:23 AM

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wait

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y e s

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:23 AM

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lemme see what I can do about that

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 2:23 AM

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now that i've added hooks i can add qol

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i really need to kill salubra

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:23 AM

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oh please

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best qol mode ever

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lets you kill salubra

copper nacelle May 15, 2018, 2:24 AM

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i didn't know how bad it was

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cause i never actually got it

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until i used avenging's 107 save

solemn rivet May 15, 2018, 2:25 AM

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u filthy casul

compact sedge May 15, 2018, 2:25 AM

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hey I wanted to get 100% of everything done