#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 89

rain cedar May 3, 2018, 9:31 AM

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If that counts

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 9:31 AM

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doesn't count imo

rain cedar May 3, 2018, 9:31 AM

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Dang

fair rampart May 3, 2018, 9:34 AM

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What states you lads in? SA here.

glass umbra May 3, 2018, 9:35 AM

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WA

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in Perth the "Isolated City"

fair rampart May 3, 2018, 9:37 AM

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Meh, could be worse, could be Adelaide the "Unemployed/Forgotten City"

glass umbra May 3, 2018, 9:38 AM

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#insert thinking meme#

thorn comet May 3, 2018, 10:00 AM

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NSW

rain cedar May 3, 2018, 10:12 AM

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It took me a few seconds to get you meant "New South Wales" and not "No Star World"

glass umbra May 3, 2018, 10:33 AM

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:)

rain cedar May 3, 2018, 10:46 AM

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KDT BabyRage https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/blob/master/Assembly-CSharp/CanvasUtil.cs#L615

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That shit is stopping the coroutine I'm running for the item popup which stops it from sending the FSM event to give back hero control

rain cedar May 3, 2018, 11:27 AM

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This new big item popup component has good meme potential

📎 unknown.png

flat forum May 3, 2018, 11:35 AM

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Consumed the Gathering Swarm

steel valve May 3, 2018, 11:35 AM

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CONSUME

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Knight: imma buy this charm. Sly: k. Narrator: CONSUMED THE HEAVY BLOW

wide crown May 3, 2018, 1:35 PM

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william pellen? wut

solemn rivet May 3, 2018, 1:38 PM

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Nice sean! Did you get all sprites during runtime, or are you loading them externally?

solemn rivet May 3, 2018, 1:54 PM

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okay, I'm gonna start looking into making a canvas textbox

leaden hedge May 3, 2018, 2:16 PM

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thats not my problem hollowface

solemn rivet May 3, 2018, 2:17 PM

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no, it's not, I'm looking into the documentation you made for canvasutil

leaden hedge May 3, 2018, 2:17 PM

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no i mean the line 615 thing

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cg.gameObject.SetActive(false);

solemn rivet May 3, 2018, 2:17 PM

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oh right

oblique shuttle May 3, 2018, 2:23 PM

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hey guys, sorry i didnt mention anything but i got bonfire to work. Thanks for the help. Where do I level up my knight?

floral furnace May 3, 2018, 2:25 PM

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uhh, bench correct?

oblique shuttle May 3, 2018, 2:25 PM

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I will check

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thanks

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 2:58 PM

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it will pop up when you walk near a bench

zealous wren May 3, 2018, 4:03 PM

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Is there any mod that allows me to refight nightmare grimm?

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 4:05 PM

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there's savefiles for nkg going around, so you could just reuse those

zealous wren May 3, 2018, 4:07 PM

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Do you know where can I find one of those?

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 4:07 PM

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there's a 6 flame file in the pins in #hk-discussion

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you could get the other three flames pretty easily

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then keep a copy of that at hand

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it also allows you to fight regular grimm right off the bat

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 4:09 PM

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cant you respawn bosses with debug mod?

zealous wren May 3, 2018, 4:10 PM

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Can you? If that's an option if would be faster but I guess I can use the save, the flames are easy to get

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 4:11 PM

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not nkg methinks but i could be wrong

zealous wren May 3, 2018, 4:11 PM

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It's just that I loved the boss and wanted to fight it more

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 4:11 PM

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There is options for it, but ive never used them

young walrus May 3, 2018, 4:19 PM

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you can respawn NKG, yes

zealous wren May 3, 2018, 4:21 PM

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Oh ok ty for the info

solemn rivet May 3, 2018, 4:28 PM

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the tent is invis tho iirc

copper nacelle May 3, 2018, 4:28 PM

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^

young walrus May 3, 2018, 4:32 PM

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it is

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the load zone will be there

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just gotta find it

leaden hedge May 3, 2018, 5:19 PM

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just put a dreamgate in there

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 5:30 PM

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when you load the randomizer when youve beaten the game

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when it does the heart beat on the title screen

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the sound of the heartbeat is effected by the audio effects in the scenes that are loaded lol

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like if a scene loads with reverb, the heart beat gets reverb

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thought that was funy

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 5:51 PM

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flying sleeping gruz mother

📎 Screenshot_2018-05-03_12.51.21.png

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 5:52 PM

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seems legit

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 6:00 PM

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we seriously need an exception for this kind of thing

📎 Screenshot_2018-05-03_13.00.34.png

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and its on room mode so this is stuck this way

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i dont know of a way to beat this without cheating

compact sedge May 3, 2018, 6:04 PM

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do you have wall jump

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 6:04 PM

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no lol

compact sedge May 3, 2018, 6:04 PM

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oh right

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I forgot what part of the game this was

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 6:05 PM

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also if you hit the front one don't they all explode

compact sedge May 3, 2018, 6:05 PM

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if you hit the middle one they will all explode but you might only take 2 hearts

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then wait for the guy to shoot the babies

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idk if the babies are randomized thouhg

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 6:05 PM

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the babies are the guys that explode

compact sedge May 3, 2018, 6:06 PM

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lol

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gl with that

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then

fresh furnace May 3, 2018, 6:17 PM

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lmao

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 6:18 PM

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yeah no babies, jsut explody guys

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had to cheat

compact sedge May 3, 2018, 6:19 PM

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what if you run the explody guys into the big baddy

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 6:19 PM

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they dont turn around

compact sedge May 3, 2018, 6:19 PM

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can you explode them right near him

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so they hurt him?

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 6:19 PM

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he will duck and become invulnerable

compact sedge May 3, 2018, 6:19 PM

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oh right

pearl sentinel May 3, 2018, 6:19 PM

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You can change it to chaos mode during gameplay if you run into that. Or turn both chaos and room off for normal mode

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Either option will change what it's spitting

compact sedge May 3, 2018, 6:20 PM

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chaos mode is the way randomizers should be played

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:)

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 6:20 PM

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oh i cant change it on the fly or mid playtrhough? didnt know tha

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chaos doe is too easy

pearl sentinel May 3, 2018, 6:20 PM

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Yep

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 6:20 PM

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chaos mode is ez mode lol

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dont like a room? reset until its easy stuff

compact sedge May 3, 2018, 6:20 PM

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reset is cheating

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only reset on death

pearl sentinel May 3, 2018, 6:20 PM

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Both off = types shuffled

compact sedge May 3, 2018, 6:21 PM

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or if you get knocked out of a room

pearl sentinel May 3, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Room = types per room shuffled

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 6:21 PM

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i like room, with room, if a traitor lord spawns in a small hallway you have to use a lot, oh well, deal with it

pearl sentinel May 3, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Both off that could happen too

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 6:22 PM

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how does that happen with both room and chaos off?

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doesnt the mod jsut do nothing at that point?

pearl sentinel May 3, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Both off = normal mode. Types ate randomized only. Aka, if a buzzer is brooding mawlik, all buzzers are brooding mawlik

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Room = all buzzers in one room are something else, and buzzers in another room are a different something else

leaden hedge May 3, 2018, 6:24 PM

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is there api for current version, drive seems outdated

pearl sentinel May 3, 2018, 6:24 PM

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1.3.1.5 is not current?

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 6:24 PM

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it is but not for beta

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beta is 1.3.2.1

leaden hedge May 3, 2018, 6:24 PM

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i ran it and was in 1.3.2.7

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 6:24 PM

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oh

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then 7 it is

leaden hedge May 3, 2018, 6:25 PM

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i must still be in beta lol

pearl sentinel May 3, 2018, 6:25 PM

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I have like no time rn, so I haven't been doing anything with the api

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So no eta builds from me

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 6:25 PM

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you are still in beta

pearl sentinel May 3, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Beta*

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 6:25 PM

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might be best to switch to live

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because there 1.3.1.5 works

leaden hedge May 3, 2018, 6:42 PM

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op fixed unity being stupid

📎 SpriteDump.dll

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 6:44 PM

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sprite dump

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let me guess

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it dumps sprites

leaden hedge May 3, 2018, 6:44 PM

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correct

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 6:44 PM

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next question, where does it dump them

leaden hedge May 3, 2018, 6:45 PM

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%appdata%/../LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\sprites

exotic venture May 3, 2018, 6:45 PM

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aight

copper nacelle May 3, 2018, 8:11 PM

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i compiled a beta api

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/441358793331310603/Assembly-CSharp.zip

solemn rivet May 3, 2018, 8:22 PM

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So, I'm working on a simple berserk (a la Nier automata a2) mod. Currently you lose hp if you do not hit stuff for 10 seconds and you deal 1.75x damage. Any ideas?

buoyant obsidian May 3, 2018, 8:23 PM

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add like 5% movement speed

solemn rivet May 3, 2018, 8:24 PM

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That's evil tho

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Good idea

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Any improvements on the fsm front, 56?

copper nacelle May 3, 2018, 8:42 PM

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There's a fluke monobehaviour

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it uses damagesenemies instead of an fsm now for spikes

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There's a consts file now

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oh yeah

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this might be nice for enemy hp bars

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there's a health manager on death event

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📎 unknown-11.png

solemn rivet May 3, 2018, 10:38 PM

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It might fix a few lingering issues with hpbars lingering after some enemies

rain cedar May 3, 2018, 10:39 PM

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Neat

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Also Gradow I'm embedding a ton of stuff, not finding things at runtime

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You can see it all here https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/tree/master/RandomizerMod2.0/Resources

solemn rivet May 3, 2018, 10:42 PM

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Oh, ok

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Thanks!

rain cedar May 3, 2018, 10:42 PM

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The only thing I need to grab at runtime is the shiny item object

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For sticking in chests, if applicable

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 11:19 PM

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are you guys just replacing instances of items with other items? not actually adding new instances of items

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like can you add a shiny to any spot you want, or does it have to be already there and you just change whats there

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thats how the darksouls randomizer works, i dont think they can add new shinies

rain cedar May 3, 2018, 11:27 PM

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I can add new ones, yeah

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But I wasn't planning to, other than putting them in chests that normally have geo

delicate ether May 3, 2018, 11:34 PM

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also, enemy randomizer. the big dudes who spawn the rollers, they dont have a limit to how many mobs they spawn, this is about 20 enemies stacked ontop of eachother

📎 Screenshot_2018-05-03_18.33.55.png

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with another stack behind them

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and the dude just keeps spewing them out

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uploading video this is kinda funny

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https://streamable.com/not8e

Streamable

Streamable - free video publishing

▶ Play video

pearl sentinel May 4, 2018, 12:07 AM

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Amazing

supple sigil May 4, 2018, 12:08 AM

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many a soul

pearl sentinel May 4, 2018, 12:08 AM

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Best geo farming spot

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 12:10 AM

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one hit completely filled my soul meter

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i died though when i got hit

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when i came back, he spawned normal rollies, though he did spawn them in bunches

supple sigil May 4, 2018, 12:10 AM

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shouldve made it primal aspids

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 12:10 AM

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playing in room mode chaos off

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cant wait to see the room with two on each side

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 12:12 AM

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I want an elder baldur that spits more elder baldurs

supple sigil May 4, 2018, 12:13 AM

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not before the collector that spawns collectors

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 12:14 AM

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that mid bench in the tall shaft in greenpath spawns 4 soul tyrants in one room, fun times

supple sigil May 4, 2018, 12:14 AM

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wut

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its an trap

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 12:34 AM

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also using the enemy randomizer menu in game breaks the esc menu

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i can no longer use the esc menu

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so if i want to close the game i have to alt f4

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correction, it fixed itself when i sat at a bench

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 12:40 AM

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That's not an enemy randomizer bug

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Team Cherry broke shiny items

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Sometimes when you grab them it doesn't give you back your pause menu

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 12:55 AM

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it wasnt from grabbing an item

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it happened when i tried to close the enemy randomizer menu

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i hit escape and the game continued but the menu was still over my screen

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when i hit escape again (to get the mouse) i clicked back on the ER menu and then it went to the normal esc menu

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the options menu*

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when i hit esc again, it went back to the ganme, but the options menu was overlaid on my screen

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and i couldnt get back in to the menu until i sat at a bench

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:00 AM

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Oh, ok

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:00 AM

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that's a modding issue, not specific to enemy rando

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:00 AM

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Debug has the same issue

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:00 AM

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you have to manually quit

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like, click "back"

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if you esc out of mod menu, it stays on top

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 1:03 AM

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ah

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i'll reember that

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:03 AM

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I have to modify 5 FSMs to get the dream nail plaque thing working properly

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:03 AM

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here's a first version of the berserk mod

📎 BerserkMod.dll

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still barebones

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:03 AM

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So as someone who has barely played nier automata

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What does that do?

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:04 AM

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health drains at the rate of 1 per 10 seconds, but timer is reset when you hit enemies

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in nier you can heal by hitting enemies

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thought that might be op, since you already get soul

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:04 AM

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Interesting

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:05 AM

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all damage dealt by the knight is scaled by 1.75x

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 1:05 AM

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berserk, random, enemy rando, darkmod, glass soul, steel soul 100% speedrun go!

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:05 AM

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also subject to change

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but the thing I really need an input on is

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do I make it always on or toggable (via charm or button combo)?

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 1:06 AM

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i was going to say make certain charms give extra bonuses

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fury of the fallen comes to mind

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:06 AM

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Always on you'd be half dead just walking past dirtmouth at the start

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:06 AM

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my initial idea was to replace fotf with that

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since you get that at the start and all

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 1:06 AM

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you could also make it fotf

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but have an "overberserk" ability of some sort

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so if you have full health and you hit enemies, you get soe bonus

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like damage up

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but so long as you have this bonus maybe your health falls faster

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:07 AM

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I think it would be cool to repurpose the hiveblood hp icons to show the draining of the hp

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 1:07 AM

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and the bonus goes away when you get hit

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:07 AM

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oh, that would be sick, sean

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I'll look onto that

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 1:07 AM

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sorry if thats way more than what you asked for lol

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:08 AM

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that's a nice idea too, mechazawa

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 1:08 AM

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but it would be difficult in areas with logn stretches of no eneies

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as someone mentioned

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:08 AM

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I think instead of triggering on full health, it would be better to tie it to hit combo

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if you get a 10 hit combo within a certain window, you go into overberserk mode

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 1:09 AM

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you could use the throns attack animation

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when you hit overB

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:09 AM

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not necessarily 10, just a random number

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 1:09 AM

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maybe change it to red if thats possible

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:10 AM

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Anything is possible with ms paint

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 1:10 AM

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or have hollow knight yell something

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make hollow knight do the grunt soul tyrant does when he hits overB

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:10 AM

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holow knogiht

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:11 AM

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hollow nugget

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 1:11 AM

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holl knooght

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http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/426/Woll_Smoth_original.jpg

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:12 AM

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ok, looking into the hiveblood fsm

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wish me luck

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if I don't comeback, plz send mems

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:12 AM

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It is probably the hpbar fsm that matters

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Whatever that is

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:13 AM

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the Health gameobject has a HiveHealthRegen fsm

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that's what I'm looking into rn

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📎 UntaggedHealthHive_Health_Regen5Kl8jA.json

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:13 AM

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Righto

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:15 AM

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it's a float compare

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now I need to know what it's comparing to

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"name": "Recover Time",
"tooltip": "",
"showInInspector": false,
"networkSync": false,
"value": 5.0

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huh

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does it only take 5 seconds to change the hive health state?

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from empty to partially filled

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:17 AM

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Something like that

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It takes a long ass time

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Very weak charm

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:18 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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10 seconds

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ok, so it's 5 each

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ok

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seems easy enough

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just reverse the order

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it's nice that my current berserk timer is also 10 seconds

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:18 AM

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Works out nicely

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:18 AM

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now, time to be evil

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create my own fsm and add it to the Health gameobject

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zote

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:19 AM

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I've been making FSM actions

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But a whole new FSM is taking it to the next level

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:19 AM

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jk

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I'll just abuse the existing one

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force it to skip transitions etc.

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:20 AM

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https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/Extensions/PlayMakerFSMExtensions.cs

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You can use that if you want

compact sedge May 4, 2018, 1:21 AM

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Does FSM actually stand for flying spaghetti monster?

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:21 AM

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oh

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:22 AM

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Finite state machine

compact sedge May 4, 2018, 1:22 AM

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because that shit is confusing

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:22 AM

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close enough

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actually, it does look like a flying spaghetti monster, doesn't it?

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:22 AM

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Some kind of spaghetti

compact sedge May 4, 2018, 1:22 AM

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flying spaghetticode monster

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:24 AM

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wait - does that code you just sent me allow you to completely remove an fsm's transitions and actions?

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:25 AM

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Yeah it's some handy extensions for working with FSMs

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:25 AM

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omg

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that is amazing

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:26 AM

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Here's an example of a place I use it

//Remove actions that activate shiny item
FsmState spawnItems = fsm.GetState("Spawn Items");
spawnItems.RemoveActionsOfType<ActivateAllChildren>();
fsm.GetState("Activated").RemoveActionsOfType<ActivateAllChildren>();

//Add geo to chest
//Chest geo pool cannot be trusted, often spawns less than it should
spawnItems.AddAction(new RandomizerAddGeo(fsm.gameObject, geoAmount));

//Remove pre-existing geo from chest
foreach (FlingObjectsFromGlobalPool fling in spawnItems.GetActionsOfType<FlingObjectsFromGlobalPool>())
{
    fling.spawnMin = 0;
    fling.spawnMax = 0;
}```

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:26 AM

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but, yeah, I'll think I'll just make a new fsm with the relevant components/states from the hiveblood one, otherwise I would break the hiveblood charm

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 1:26 AM

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Just makes everything so much easier

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 1:26 AM

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wow

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that is truly amazing

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 2:03 AM

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ok, finished writing my hackjob at making this work

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let's give it its first spin

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 2:13 AM

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I'm not sure how I want to handle additive items in randomizer

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Behind the scenes, I mean

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Pretty obvious how they should work for the end user

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 2:15 AM

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huh, I don't think that fsm exists anymore

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weird

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 2:15 AM

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Which?

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The health one you were just using?

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 2:15 AM

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hive = FSMUtility.LocateFSM(GameObject.Find("Health"), "Hive Health Regen");

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this returns a nre

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I know it's supposed to be a child to the Knight gameobject

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but it wasn't finding it, so I tried a more "broad" search

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still nothing

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this fsm list I have is from 1.2.2.1, so maybe it doesn't exist anymore

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 2:17 AM

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Just loop through PlayMakerFSM.FsmList

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 2:17 AM

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yeah

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 2:17 AM

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Log them all

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 2:17 AM

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ugh

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hive = PlayMakerFSM.FsmList.Single(f => f.name.Contains("Hive Health Regen"));one last try before logging them all

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 2:55 AM

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well, that throws a weird error

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TypeLoadException: Could not load type '<>c' from assembly

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 2:56 AM

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What even is that?

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<>c isn't something I'd expect many things to attempt loading

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 2:57 AM

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it's caused by that line I just posted earlier

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I remove it, it compiles and runs fine

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I add it, it compiles and NRE's during runtime

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literally that single line

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 2:58 AM

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Idk, do it without linq

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 3:00 AM

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that's what I'm doing rn

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so weird

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 3:22 AM

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ok, last try for tonight

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I'll upload the code if anyone wanna give it a go

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https://github.com/Ayugradow/BerserkMod/tree/master/BerserkMod here's the git if anyone cares

GitHub

Ayugradow/BerserkMod

Contribute to BerserkMod development by creating an account on GitHub.

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I gotta go now

river tiger May 4, 2018, 3:34 AM

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Say, Radow, how many games have you modded, mate?

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 3:40 AM

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I like that name

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Radow

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It's better

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Rad dude

young walrus May 4, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Name change inc

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 3:50 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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So I get what it doesn't like here

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But why doesn't it like that?

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There's no ambiguity between the two obj variables anywhere

pearl sentinel May 4, 2018, 4:20 AM

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You use obj below in the outer scope

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Just put some { } around the lower section of code and it will stop bitching

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C# is Hella dumb about scope rules

buoyant obsidian May 4, 2018, 4:32 AM

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I don't know about anything he's worked on since Hollow Knight but I'm fairly sure this is the game he started with, 69.

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Same with me, this is the first game I ever modified seriously.

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 4:33 AM

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Yeah I realize it's because the outer scope has obj

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That's just fucking stupid

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That should be fine

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Like the only reason to have that error is that the inner scope potentially hides the value from the outer scope

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Which should be a warning, in my opinion

pearl sentinel May 4, 2018, 5:05 AM

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From stack overflow

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The scope of a local variable declared in a local-variable-declaration is the block in which the declaration occurs. It is an error to refer to a local variable in a textual position that precedes the local-variable-declarator of the local variable. Within the scope of a local variable, it is a compile-time error to declare another local variable or constant with the same name.

(Emphasis mine.)

In other words, the scope for the "later" variable includes the part of the block before the declaration - i.e. it includes the "inner" block containing the "earlier" variable.

You can't refer to the later variable in a place earlier than its declaration - but it's still in scope.

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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6156449/why-cant-a-duplicate-variable-name-be-declared-in-a-nested-local-scope

Stack Overflow

Why can't a duplicate variable name be declared in a nested local ...

Based on this recent question, I don't understand the answer provided. Seems like you should be able to do something like this, since their scopes do not overlap

static void Main()
{
{
int i...

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Still dumb, imo

fair rampart May 4, 2018, 5:51 AM

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I keep playing Risk of Rain. From the core stuff in HK there'd already be two equivalent characters to Mercenary the vessel and kind of to loader Hornet

pearl sentinel May 4, 2018, 11:28 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/games/353370/announcements/detail/1648757912601251834

Steam Controller :: Nintendo Switch Pro Controller support via Ste...

Greetings from the Steam Controller team. We’re pleased to announce that the latest Steam Client Beta adds support for the Nintendo Switch Pro Controller. We think it is a great device with a feature set that pairs nicely with your Steam catalo...

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happygrub

copper nacelle May 4, 2018, 11:43 AM

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happygrub

fringe schooner May 4, 2018, 12:28 PM

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does ngg work with 1.3.1.5

copper nacelle May 4, 2018, 12:30 PM

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no

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iirc

fringe schooner May 4, 2018, 12:31 PM

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boii

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well there goes my plan to beat ngg

copper nacelle May 4, 2018, 12:34 PM

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just downpatch

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ez

young walrus May 4, 2018, 12:41 PM

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Beating NGG

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Omegalul

leaden hedge May 4, 2018, 1:35 PM

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if you don't patch down you have to deal with shittier damage anyway

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so it'd be even harder on this patch

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 2:02 PM

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Ive noticed any rooms with enemy randomizer that spawn marmus, tends to be very crashy. As in, ive only ever crashed in rooms with marmus (and one other time, but not with ER)

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I dont know if this is ER per se, or just marmus being out of their default scene though.

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Is there any way to change the seed of a game with ER?

fair rampart May 4, 2018, 2:15 PM

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someone mod the game to turn the night into sans

pearl sentinel May 4, 2018, 2:18 PM

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You can edit your save file, I think, to change the seed. Otherwise the seed is only changeable before you start a new game in the enemy randomizer menu

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 2:26 PM

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or, you know, just turn on Chaos Mode, which is basically the same

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 2:55 PM

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chaos mode makes it too easy, i like room mode, i was hoping to change the seed for one room, but i guess i'll just deal with it every time i go past that room

fringe schooner May 4, 2018, 3:27 PM

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can you use debug mod to fight nkg multiple times?

young walrus May 4, 2018, 3:31 PM

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yes

solemn rivet May 4, 2018, 3:33 PM

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NKG? More like NK-EZ

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grimm

compact sedge May 4, 2018, 9:15 PM

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This is a super noob question but are there any tools/ways to enumerate/list a given FSM's components and their default states?

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 9:16 PM

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Look at Kerr's scene dump in the drive

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It's in the enemy randomizer folder, I think

compact sedge May 4, 2018, 9:17 PM

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cool thanks

compact sedge May 4, 2018, 9:57 PM

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literally exactly what I needed thanks for doing that Kerr

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well almost

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it'll be good enough for what I need to do.

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 11:26 PM

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does simply loading a save with bonfire alter the save in any way?

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a save that was started without bonfire*

delicate ether May 4, 2018, 11:51 PM

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I think bonfire mod ups enemy health even in games its not loaded in

rain cedar May 4, 2018, 11:58 PM

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That's not really possible

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I think he might be faking enemy health increase by lowering nail damage

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That would stick after uninstalling

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 12:07 AM

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my nail damage was 5 according to debug menu, but enemies that should take 3 hits took 5

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like wandering husks

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i removed the .dll for bonfire and the damage went back to normal

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and this was before i acidently loaded the saave with bonfire activated

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 12:08 AM

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Oh ok I see what you mean

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 12:08 AM

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when i loaded the save by acident, it showed me as like level 12 or so

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 12:08 AM

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The mod is still loaded

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 12:08 AM

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so what i think happened is the level info was tied to the SAVE SLOT, not the save game

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because the previous save in that slot had bonfire

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 12:26 AM

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@stray mirage https://send.firefox.com/download/cfc1f67fbd/#HFkGNhnrNGXcKmMMrIIGXg

Firefox Send

Encrypt and send files with a link that automatically expires to ensure your important documents don’t stay online forever.

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 12:27 AM

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lol I love how they advertise that they delete the files after a short time as a feature

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 12:35 AM

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What stuff do I have to set on a new RigidBody2D and BoxCollider2D to get object physics to work?

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Actually nah that's overcomplicating things

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 1:47 AM

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~~Where's the GetState function to return an FsmState from a string state name?~~

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 1:47 AM

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there isn't one

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you loop through it and feel sad

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 1:47 AM

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Yeah I realize that I'ma write one I guess

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 1:48 AM

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use fsmutil

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and the extensions

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makes fsms much less horrible

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https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/Extensions/PlayMakerFSMExtensions.cs
and
https://github.com/5FiftySix6/Mantis-Gods/blob/master/Mantis Gods/KDT/FsmUtil.cs

GitHub

seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod

HollowKnight.RandomizerMod - WIP recreation of the original randomizer mod for the new lifeblood update

GitHub

5FiftySix6/Mantis-Gods

Contribute to Mantis-Gods development by creating an account on GitHub.

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the fsm dumper?

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 1:51 AM

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sh nobody saw that

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 1:51 AM

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ok

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just download them both and include them

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 1:51 AM

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anyway thanks for the link not gonna lie it's in an awkward spot though

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 1:51 AM

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?

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 1:51 AM

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probably would have not found it on my own

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 1:51 AM

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yeah

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 1:52 AM

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is everyone's mod gplv3?

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 1:52 AM

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i think so

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 1:52 AM

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Because I want to make mine gplv3 and don't want any licensing problems

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 1:52 AM

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idk about lightbringer but every mod i've seen is

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every mod w/ a license

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 1:52 AM

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Just ask the mod authors

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Probably everyone here will let you use their code

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 1:53 AM

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true but if I'm using other people's code I don't want to unintentionally relicense it under something they wouldn't want.

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Most people don't care but I only bring it up because there's the occasional dev (like the zfs people) who get really upset by these kinds of things.

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 1:56 AM

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I don't know who that is

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 1:56 AM

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but you're right, better to just ask

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 1:56 AM

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filesystem used w/ bsd

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nice but has a weird license iirc

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 1:56 AM

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If I cared about keeping my code proprietary I wouldn't put it on github

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 1:57 AM

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yeah it has a license that explicitly says you can't use it in a GPL project or something

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which is why Linux doesn't have zfs support

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 1:57 AM

#

ree

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 1:57 AM

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That's dumb

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 1:57 AM

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except as a 3rd party kernel module

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 1:57 AM

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everything is MIT or gpl v3

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no one cares

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if it doesn't have something just ask

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e z

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 1:57 AM

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ok

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thanks

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 1:58 AM

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yw

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 2:07 AM

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not everything

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my fsm viewer is unlicense hollowface

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also there actually is a function to get state from name, HutongGames.PlayMaker.Fsm.GetState(name) does it

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although tbh if I was to actual do some FSM hacking now, I'd just make custom actions and replace the target states actions with stuff that did what I wanted

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 2:25 AM

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That's what I'm doing, mostly

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Otherwise I'd have to deal with all the weird garbage objects

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Like FsmOwnerDefault and FsmVar

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 2:25 AM

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thats too much garbage

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basic fsm is too much tbh

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 2:27 AM

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Simple actions like this already suck

SendEvent openGate = new SendEvent
{
    eventTarget = new FsmEventTarget()
    {
        target = FsmEventTarget.EventTarget.BroadcastAll,
        excludeSelf = true
    },
    sendEvent = FsmEvent.FindEvent("BG OPEN"),
    delay = 0,
    everyFrame = false
};
childFSM.GetState("Destroy").AddFirstAction(openGate);
childFSM.GetState("Finish").AddFirstAction(openGate);```

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That's just saying I want it to do PlayMakerFSM.BroadcastEvent("BG OPEN")

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 2:27 AM

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oh that is a lot of garbage

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 2:27 AM

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More complex ones are just no

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 2:27 AM

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what about if you want to spawn fsms

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that spawn fsms

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that do stuff

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 2:28 AM

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Then I clearly work at Team Cherry because no sane modder would do that

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So I just use the visual editor

solid wagon May 5, 2018, 3:35 AM

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are the nail arts even worth using in Lightbringer?

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 4:22 AM

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not really

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imo

pearl sentinel May 5, 2018, 5:55 AM

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usedCow

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 6:52 AM

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Hey Seanpr. I've spent the past couple hours playing around with that file 56 mentioned: https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/Extensions/PlayMakerFSMExtensions.cs and I've found it really useful. Would you mind if I included just it in the mod I am making?

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 7:02 AM

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Yeah go for it

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:02 AM

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thanks!

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This actually will save me a lot of time

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:03 AM

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it shouldn't do, its just generic array functions

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like if you google stackoverflow remove item from array

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a 1:1 copy would come up

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 7:04 AM

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I mean yeah they're really simple extensions

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But that doesn't make them not useful

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:04 AM

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i mean the saving a lot of time

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:05 AM

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ok but it saves me time not having to look into the details of FSM data storage and allocation.

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:05 AM

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which you probably should if you're going to manipulate them 🤔

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:05 AM

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I know enough, I hope.

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my first mod isn't overly ambitious

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:07 AM

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also for GetState you can just call playmakerFSM.Fsm.GetState(name)

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does the exact same thing

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:08 AM

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why is setstate a thing you can call directly from a playmakerFSM but you need to .Fsm for getstate?

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like it's playmakerFSM.SetState() and playmakerFSM.Fsm.GetState()

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 7:09 AM

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Because playmaker is a mess

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:09 AM

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I assume they thought users would have no need for GetState

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and its only needed internally

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dunno why its public though

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:13 AM

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Hmm playmaker seems popular on the asset store but HK is the only game I have downloaded that uses it.

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:13 AM

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Hearthstone uses it

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:13 AM

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supposedly yeah

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:14 AM

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pretty it uses it for card mechanics

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so the designers can drag and drop mechanics without having to code each card

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:14 AM

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it doesn't seem bad or anything for the developers at least

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:14 AM

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makes sense considering thats the perfect use for a composite fsm system

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:15 AM

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I do find it interesting HK programs enemy AI through it.

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:15 AM

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ai is fine to programmed through fsms

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 7:15 AM

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It makes more sense for enemies than anything else they use it for

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:15 AM

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infact its one of the only actual use cases of fsms

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 7:16 AM

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The enemy FSMs are still awful, though

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:17 AM

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makes sense I guess idk I've never worked on any big game engine games before so I'm not sure the good and bad ways to do things in them

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:18 AM

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generally you'd stay away from libraries or anything that'll "make your life easier"

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 7:18 AM

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Take it a step further and just avoid libraries entirely

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:18 AM

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Well I'm all for using libraries in my code but it depends on which ones they are

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 7:18 AM

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I hate relying on 3rd party code to work

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:18 AM

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Like I've done a few projects that use ncurses for graphics.

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and I feel ok using that since it's old, reliable, stable, and ubiquitous on every OS with a decent terminal.

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and theres some things you just don't want to reimplement like decoding video files for example, which is why libraries like ffmpeg exist

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or do y'all mean different kinds of libraries

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:20 AM

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dunno why you'd be using either of those in a game engine

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:20 AM

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Well I am sorta trying to work on a roguelike

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:20 AM

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only library you should be using either opengl or directx tbh

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:21 AM

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and I'm using ncurses for that

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:21 AM

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and maybe something to sanitize inputs hollowface

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:21 AM

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And many video games have cutscenes which are video files, so having a video decoding library is helpful for that

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 7:22 AM

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Anyone ever tried ENB or reshade with hk?

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:23 AM

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they probably don't work

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:23 AM

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I'm gonna go with it might possibly work

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 7:23 AM

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I was thinking of a limbo mod for HK would be cool

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:23 AM

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it's dx9 and you can drop your own dx9 dll into the hollow knight folder

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:23 AM

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i mean you could probably get some effect running

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but I doubt any presets or anything would do anything meaningful

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 7:24 AM

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well, raise the contrast super high and lower saturation would give a close effect

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:24 AM

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you could probably write a single shader and attach it to the camera, and render stuff black / white depending on z buffer distance

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not sure how you compile shaders in a mod though

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I've never tried

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:24 AM

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you could also just change your monitor contrast and saturation

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 7:25 AM

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ive done similar with cheat engine and darksouls games, but those have light engines and such

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a 2d gane as colorful as HK could have a lot of interestinf visual themes id there was a way to impliment them

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:27 AM

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you can attach shaders to any object you want

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you've just gotta precompile them afaik

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 7:30 AM

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📎 Screenshot_2018-05-05-02-30-12.png

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it exists heh

floral furnace May 5, 2018, 7:30 AM

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How do I get started with stuff like, forcing your nail slash sprite into the red one whenever you use FotF?

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 7:32 AM

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You can use monomod runtime hooks and just set fury true before NailSlash.StartSlash

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Actually there is already an attack hook, set HeroController.instance.slashComponent.fury = true in there

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It's private so you'll need reflection

floral furnace May 5, 2018, 7:37 AM

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alright thanks ill try that

floral furnace May 5, 2018, 8:17 AM

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Okay I have no idea what Reflection is so I tried learning it a bit, so far Im gonna try this:

typeof(NailSlash).GetField("fury", BindingFlags.NonPublic | BindingFlags.Instance).SetValue(hc, true);

the bolded letters is requiring a non null instance, at first i thought using HeroController hc, but HeroController contains NailSlash slashComponent which is an instance of NailSlash object.

So should that mean the bolded part has to be HeroController's NailSlash instance?

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 9:01 AM

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Yeah

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Exactly

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You should cache the FieldInfo as well

fringe schooner May 5, 2018, 1:03 PM

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@copper nacelle how did the glitched playthrough go yesterday? you know how to make it into a mod or something so i can try it out?

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 2:24 PM

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I linked the files

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it went pretty well

north jetty May 5, 2018, 2:39 PM

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hey there guys, i trying to install the boss rush mod. but 1 says there a new version available in the top comer and it the mod options says there are no mods. -> https://puu.sh/Agy0y/065d886ee9.png

young walrus May 5, 2018, 2:41 PM

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It kinda does. you'll just spawn in the floor. Lol

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😂

north jetty May 5, 2018, 2:41 PM

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yeah that was gonna be number 2

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 2:41 PM

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you can actually play on lifeblood

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just get debug mod and noclip out of the floor

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i only tested a few bosses but I think it should work

north jetty May 5, 2018, 2:43 PM

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noclip out of floor and then what?

young walrus May 5, 2018, 2:43 PM

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Then play the game

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Or you could downpatch and play on a patch we know it works on

north jetty May 5, 2018, 2:48 PM

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okay so how do i do that?

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 2:49 PM

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there's a guide in speedrun.com

void tree May 5, 2018, 2:54 PM

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https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/yl0m6

speedrun.com

Hollow Knight - Downpatching the game using the Steam console - by seanpr

north jetty May 5, 2018, 2:54 PM

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so then 1.2.2.1 is the version i want?

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 2:59 PM

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yes

north jetty May 5, 2018, 3:09 PM

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Alright I think I got it from here thanks for the help

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 3:14 PM

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happygrub

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 4:43 PM

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not quite limbo mod...lol

📎 Screenshot_2018-05-05_11.42.19.png

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i gues you could call it french vanilla mod

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 4:44 PM

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how hard is it to create my own fsmevents?

fresh furnace May 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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Inverting color woah

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 5:40 PM

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when i try to load enemy randomizer on the main menu, it gets to 20% and crashes without an error

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 5:42 PM

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prolly oom

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 5:44 PM

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it does that every time

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what do i do

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 6:05 PM

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if its out of memory, you need more ram

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:06 PM

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i have 16 GBs of RAM

flat forum May 5, 2018, 6:09 PM

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is it all available?

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what Windows do you have?

#

I know 32 bit windows only allows you to use 3.5

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:10 PM

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i have 64 bit

flat forum May 5, 2018, 6:10 PM

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(saying from personal experience, I can't run some stuff because of that)

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It's not ram probably

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:11 PM

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i have windows 10

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 6:12 PM

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🤔 🤷

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 6:12 PM

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there's 32 bit windows 10

flat forum May 5, 2018, 6:13 PM

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but they said it's 64 bit

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:13 PM

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what do i do now

flat forum May 5, 2018, 6:14 PM

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I dunno

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 6:14 PM

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i think fi you do dxdiag it will tell you for sure what bit your system is

#

yeah next to OS

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:14 PM

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its 64 like i said

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 6:14 PM

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though this doesnt help you if you are on 64bit anyways 😄

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are you on the beta of hollow knight?

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:15 PM

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no

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 6:17 PM

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then i dont know, you'll have to wait for one of the mod authors to see your issue

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😢

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:19 PM

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nooo

delicate ether May 5, 2018, 6:22 PM

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try with only modcommon.dll and enemy randomizer?

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no other mods

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:24 PM

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ok

#

i had boss rush

#

so lets see

#

oh

#

it doesnt work

#

does it need api?

#

i forget

#

this is my crash report btw

📎 error.log

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 6:41 PM

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if it's not lightbringer or dramshield co-op

#

there's a 99.99% chance that it needs api

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:41 PM

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i have api

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

#

ree

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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what action must i take to fix this

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 6:44 PM

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no, 56, make that a hundo

#

tury - send us modlog (in saves folder) and outputlog (in hollow knight data)

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:45 PM

#

k

#

heres one

📎 output_log.txt

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and where is the saves folder again?

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

#

appdata/locallow/tc/hk

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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techically the fsm dumper isn't api

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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thx

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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but it's technically not a mod either zote

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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and here

📎 ModLog.txt

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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welp

#

DynamicHeapAllocator allocation probe 2 failed - Could not get memory for large allocation 67108864.
DynamicHeapAllocator allocation probe 3 failed - Could not get memory for large allocation 67108864.
DynamicHeapAllocator allocation probe 4 failed - Could not get memory for large allocation 67108864.
DynamicHeapAllocator out of memory - Could not get memory for large allocation 67108864!
Crash!!!```

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oom

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

#

download more ram

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

#

close some tabs m8

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

#

check htop

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:51 PM

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it was google chrome

#

it was taking over 2 GBs of RAM

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 6:52 PM

#

zote

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 6:53 PM

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nvm it did nothing

#

still crashes at the same time

#

now what

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 7:01 PM

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idk, Kerr did once say it needed around 3gigs of ram

flat forum May 5, 2018, 7:02 PM

#

randomizer?

#

it crashes on my 32 bit windows which only gives it 3.5GB ram

#

and says "not enough ram"

#

so I think it'll need 4 or more

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but I may be completely wrong

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 7:04 PM

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idk

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I only have 8GB, and mostly only have <4GB free, and it used to run fine

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didn't try on newer versions tho

flat forum May 5, 2018, 7:05 PM

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they use more RAM?

jovial sphinx May 5, 2018, 7:06 PM

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It’s enemy randomizer

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And I have 16 GB of RAM

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 7:11 PM

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don't know, sorry

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you could try dm'ing kerr

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Is there a hook that happens before the game deletes game objects?

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Stick a component with OnDestroy on the object

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:42 PM

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uh but how do I stick anything on the object when currently that object doesn't exist by the time my code runs

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(sorry if stupid question)

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also isn't OnDestroy for the component not for a game object that the component may or may not be manipulating

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:43 PM

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find it earlier

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and if its your component it isn't going to get destroyed unless the gameObject is destroyed

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:47 PM

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its not mine it's one in the game. It's gone when I try to use UnityEngine.SceneManagement.SceneManager.activeSceneChanged.What's earlier than that that runs on scene transitions?

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:48 PM

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no its on your component, you add it to the gameobject

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what object are you trying to find that gets destroyed before the scene loads

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:49 PM

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the door to the grimm circus room in dirtmouth, so called: room_grimm

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 7:49 PM

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And how are you trying to find it?

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:51 PM

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GameObject.Find("room_grimm")

But also I printed out a list of GameObject.FindGameObjectsWithTag("TransitionGate") and it or anything similar didn't appear there.

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:51 PM

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how do you even know its there if you can't get a reference to it 🤔

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 7:52 PM

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probably kerr's scene dump

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:52 PM

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because I know there has to be some TransitionGate that leads to where grimm is (just making the tent appear is not enough) also I looked at kerr's dump for the specific name

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 7:52 PM

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ok

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use monomod runtime detour

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detour playmakerFSM.ctor or OnEnable

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check against fsm.name

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return fsm.gameObject if it matches

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:53 PM

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Thanks will try

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Or maybe I should just recreate the door instead of using the game's door?

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 7:55 PM

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if the game object is inactive, Find won't find it, because unity makes inactive objects return null on a null check

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you have to do something like GameObject[] objects = GameObject.FindAllObjectsOfType<GameObject>(); and check the array for your object

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 7:56 PM

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that seems like a more likely explanation thanks. the other objects I searched for were all active but hidden.

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 8:00 PM

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Parent objects aren't really ever inactive in this game

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There's always just some FSM that sets them inactive after load

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But the hook should be before that

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 8:01 PM

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that's what I thought yes but I guess wherever my hook is isn't early enough

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actually should I be using ModHooks.Instance.BeforeSceneLoadHook instead of UnityEngine.SceneManagement.SceneManager.activeSceneChanged?

rain cedar May 5, 2018, 8:13 PM

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No

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The Unity hook is exactly when the scene loads

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The mod hooks are before/after the game tells unity to load

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 8:16 PM

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ok well good because ModHooks.Instance.BeforeSceneLoadHook doesn't even work for me

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 8:34 PM

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what are you even trying to do actually

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can't you just set the playerdata variables to be ones that allow the tent to spawn as you load into dirtmouth

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then set them back after load

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 8:37 PM

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I guess that's a possibility but I'd run into the same problem of the hook being too late. Plus if the person saves and quits I'm worried it might not retain their playerdata value

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 8:37 PM

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well you'd do it frame before the scene loads, and reset it the frame after

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its impossible to save during a load

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not only that

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theres a hook

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for overwriting bools as they are read

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without overriding the actual value

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 8:38 PM

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well then.....

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 8:38 PM

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ModHooks.GetPlayerDataBool(string name) iirc

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just check for started grimm troupe bool and defeated nkg bool

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 8:38 PM

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instance

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 8:38 PM

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set prior to true, latter to false

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 8:39 PM

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ModHooks.Instance.GetPlayerBoolHook

leaden hedge May 5, 2018, 8:40 PM

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you probably only want to do that when scene is dirtmouth though

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although should matter for fighting nkg 🤔

compact sedge May 5, 2018, 8:40 PM

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nah I'm doing a lot of different stuff inside the tent.

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 8:52 PM

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if (blob.transform.position != Vector3.Scale(def, Vector3.right * PlayerData.instance.health))
{
    Log(@"Updating health");
    blob.transform.position = Vector3.Scale(def, Vector3.right * PlayerData.instance.health);
}```

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I have this under FixedUpdate

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any ideas why it isn't updating when my health decreases?

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def never changes, btw

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nvm

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was getting an nre, preventing the code from reaching that

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 9:20 PM

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berserkmod is ALIVE

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 9:20 PM

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happygrub

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 9:21 PM

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just a few small tweaks left

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https://puu.sh/AgJvW/307dc53ee0.mp4

▶ Play video

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I have to make the health animation reset when I hit enemies

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also when I sit on benches

copper nacelle May 5, 2018, 9:23 PM

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looks super neat

solemn rivet May 5, 2018, 9:23 PM

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I hate fsms

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that took way longer than it should to work properly

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 12:41 AM

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Is there any way to get details about the specific actions a given FSM state calls?

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like beyond just the action name

pearl sentinel May 6, 2018, 12:43 AM

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You can use the fsm dumper thing (unfamiliar with it) or try my kinda hacky printing extension for game objects in mod common PrintSceneHeirarchy(string outputFile) prints to /Mods

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 12:44 AM

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ok

pearl sentinel May 6, 2018, 12:44 AM

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Paired with looking at the action classes in dnspy to see what the data is used for

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Also, some actions don't have their data populated until their state has been hit in the fsm

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 1:25 AM

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on second thought Ima save fancy FSM stuff for a more ambitious mod.

solemn rivet May 6, 2018, 2:25 AM

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tbf it's not that hard to edit fsms if you know what you're trying to do

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kerr's PrintSceneHierarchyTree is a godsend for that

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 2:26 AM

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^

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also fsm dumper is god

solemn rivet May 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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you mean that fsm mod?

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that dumps fsm during runtime

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 2:32 AM

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yes

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it is the reason I exist

solemn rivet May 6, 2018, 2:36 AM

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I prefer printing them tbf

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so, I suspect that my berserk mode is killing the hiveblood charm

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if it is, I'll have to remove the charm's functionality entirely so as to not interfere with the mod

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nbd anyway, the charm sucks

solemn rivet May 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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so, right now, the health drain is completely functional, minus the Hiveblood charm being ded

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as soon as I have more free time, I'm gonna start working on the visuals

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would be nice to have that heartbeat effect from fotf

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

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Wait is there no easy means of implementing the outer/edge low health effect? (regardless of your health ofcs)

solemn rivet May 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

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this is my favorite part o the code so far: csharp foreach (FsmState state in hive.FsmStates) { state.ClearTransitions(); state.RemoveActionsOfType<FsmStateAction>(); }

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what do you mean, TTacco?

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

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I mean youre gonna implement the FotF heartbeat effect regardless of health levels?

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Unless im misreading this lmao

solemn rivet May 6, 2018, 3:12 AM

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yeah

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that's the plan

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idk how hard that is

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could be ezpz

flat forum May 6, 2018, 3:31 AM

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Will it be posted to the Mods Folder?

solemn rivet May 6, 2018, 3:33 AM

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sure

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I can post an ugly working version

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btw, since I need to break the Hiveblood charm for this to work, I've decided to simply repurpose the charm

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and give it to players on a new game

flat forum May 6, 2018, 3:42 AM

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wait, you changed the code to Lifeblood so that now every time u equip it the mod works, but it stops when you take it off?

solemn rivet May 6, 2018, 3:43 AM

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I don't get what you're saying

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I didn't change the game's code

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I made a mod

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 3:45 AM

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Your mod is a "if you dont hit then anything you lose life" or something like that right?
I think hes saying is the mod is activated whenever you equip hiveblood, and it deactivates whenever you take it off

solemn rivet May 6, 2018, 3:45 AM

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yeah

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basically

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that makes more sense than having it always on

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here it is. You need modcommon and the hooks dll for this to work btw

📎 BerserkMod.dll

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📎 ModCommon.dll

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I'm p sure you can find these in the gdrive, but here they are

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📎 Hooks.dll

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 3:48 AM

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i should probably put hooks in the drive tbh

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or at least in modlinks

flat forum May 6, 2018, 3:49 AM

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so, if it is directly related to Hiveblood that way

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can you make it function like Void Heart

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where, once equipped it's stuck

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 3:50 AM

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but why

flat forum May 6, 2018, 3:52 AM

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well, they said the mod is bound to a charm, so, I guess for the mod to always continue working?

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I dunno

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 3:52 AM

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what

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the mod uses hivebloods hp visuals

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that's all

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and I think it now requires you putting on hiveblood to work but idk

flat forum May 6, 2018, 3:53 AM

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" the mod is activated whenever you equip hiveblood, and it deactivates whenever you take it off"

"yeah"
"basically"

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that part

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is it made a part of Hiveblood intentionally

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because if not, I suggested taht as a way around

pearl sentinel May 6, 2018, 3:54 AM

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So what is hooks for?

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 3:55 AM

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it's the monomod runtime detour hooks

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w/ all the required mono dlls merged w/ it for convenience

pearl sentinel May 6, 2018, 3:56 AM

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So there's a some c# code on a github called harmony. You could add the code to modcommon, or I could. It allows you to add a hook before, after, or change a function call at runtime. And it wouldn't require additional dlls

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 3:56 AM

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wouldn't that effectively be the same thing tho

pearl sentinel May 6, 2018, 3:56 AM

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Yeah.

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But no extra dl

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Dll

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Like, the code is basically "patch this method"

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It could probably go in the modding api

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Then you wouldn't really need extra hooks ever again

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 3:58 AM

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imo

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https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/pull/14

GitHub

Adds MonoMod's Runtimedetour hooks to the assembly by 5FiftySix6 ...

also updates monomod

pearl sentinel May 6, 2018, 3:59 AM

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https://github.com/pardeike/Harmony

GitHub

pardeike/Harmony

Harmony - A library for patching, replacing and decorating .NET and Mono methods during runtime

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https://github.com/pardeike/Harmony/wiki/Bootstrapping

GitHub

pardeike/Harmony

Harmony - A library for patching, replacing and decorating .NET and Mono methods during runtime

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var harmony = HarmonyInstance.Create("com.company.project.product");
var original = typeof(TheClass).GetMethod("TheMethod");
var prefix = typeof(MyPatchClass1).GetMethod("SomeMethod");
var postfix = typeof(MyPatchClass2).GetMethod("SomeMethod");
harmony.Patch(original, new HarmonyMethod(prefix), new HarmonyMethod(postfix));

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That's real simple and easy

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Anyway, just an idea to cut down on extra dlls

solemn rivet May 6, 2018, 4:02 AM

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You could always merge the hooks dll with the api/modcommon

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You meaning we

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:02 AM

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imo that's what my pull does

solemn rivet May 6, 2018, 4:02 AM

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But wtv

pearl sentinel May 6, 2018, 4:02 AM

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Mod common is open to editing by you guys however you want

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(Shrug)

solemn rivet May 6, 2018, 4:03 AM

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Btw now that I think of it, my mod doesn't really require modcommon, I just used to for debugging

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 4:03 AM

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what's wrong with extra dlls?

rain cedar May 6, 2018, 4:03 AM

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People can't even install mods with the amount we have now

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 4:04 AM

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you're just gonna make a monstrosity that's harder to maintain if you merge everything though

solemn rivet May 6, 2018, 4:04 AM

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More people complaining

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Ffs mobile

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But if the usage of installers (which automatically install all dependencies) becomes more prominent, that will be a non issue

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 4:09 AM

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imo everyone should just merge all their mods directly into assembly-csharp.dll and just have a different dll for every single mod combination

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 4:13 AM

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oh btw I found out why NGG doesn't work on lifeblood

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grimm doesn't have the "boss" tag anymore so it can't find it.

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:13 AM

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why

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wtf

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grimm is a boss

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why would they get rid of the tag

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 4:14 AM

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inb4 dreamboss

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 4:14 AM

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oh no it's there but they changed it to a sub-object

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:14 AM

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oh yeah

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same thing happened with mantis lords

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 4:14 AM

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instead of the one that you need to control to edit variables

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So you wanna find "Grimm Control" but the boss tag is "Grimm Control/Nightmare Grimm Boss"

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:15 AM

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wait wtf

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you can just do that?

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 4:16 AM

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GameObject.Find("Name of object")

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yeah

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:16 AM

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aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

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I was doing GameObject.Find("Mantis Battle")?.FindGameObjectInChildren("Mantis Lord")

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 4:17 AM

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hey I spent about 2 hours trying to hack a tent in this morning not realizing there's a hook for temporarilly modifying player variable checks.

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 4:17 AM

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fuck that shit, ill just runtime detour the fsm ctor

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and check for name = grimm control

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:17 AM

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corny

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 4:18 AM

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nah i wont im lazy

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gotem

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 4:18 AM

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well I'm not fixing your mod because mine is probably gonna conflict

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:18 AM

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what's yours?

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 4:19 AM

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nggg

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 4:19 AM

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I'll post it when it's working

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It's not that impressive

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:19 AM

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imo what does it do tho

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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I'm trying to make it so you can refight NKG after the first time and that refight goes on forever getting slightly harder and faster the more damage you do until you die at which point you get rewarded with geo and stuff. But this is only after you beat it once for real.

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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neat

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 4:33 AM

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oh it's small but I think they also changed health_manager_enemy -> HealthManager

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:33 AM

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they did

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no longer an fsm

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 4:33 AM

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oh good

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 4:34 AM

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dumb question, but do you guys extensively research or at least learn the very source code of HK for these

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:34 AM

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not really

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you know some of it just because you've looked at it before

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but you can just dnspy whenever

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at least for me

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 4:35 AM

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i probably know all of the relevant code

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thats in dnspy

rain cedar May 6, 2018, 4:43 AM

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I only know the things that make no sense

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Like the NonBouncer component which is just a bool

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:44 AM

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tf

rain cedar May 6, 2018, 4:44 AM

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They could just stick it in Breakable instead

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 4:44 AM

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so you know everything about the game then

rain cedar May 6, 2018, 4:44 AM

#

Close to it

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 4:54 AM

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fuck grimm, ya'll need to make flukmarm or uumuu harder

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Uumuu, the NAmeles King. Flukmidir.

young walrus May 6, 2018, 4:56 AM

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fight flukemarm with nail 0 and no movement abilities

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or spells

#

beat it

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:56 AM

#

and charms

young walrus May 6, 2018, 4:56 AM

#

you won't

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:56 AM

#

beat it and you get 10 bucks

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or was it 5 bucks

young walrus May 6, 2018, 4:56 AM

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was increased to 10

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 4:56 AM

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pf, i lift bruh

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 4:56 AM

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ill make crawlids harder

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 4:57 AM

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make the water acid, and raise/lower it during the fight

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:57 AM

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that would just make the fight more annoying

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 4:58 AM

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remove the platforms imo#

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 4:58 AM

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hey sometimes you just need a bed of chaos fight

#

i still think giving him a berserk mode where he becomes immune to phsyical but damaged by magic is a cool idea

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and immune to magic when not berserk

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:59 AM

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your first statement

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is the most wrong thing I've ever heard

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 4:59 AM

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bed of chaos is good

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hollowface

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:59 AM

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ban yourself kthx

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 4:59 AM

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😦

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 4:59 AM

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that's like saying ancient wyvern is good

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

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honestly the stretch running towards it because that titanite demon blocking it was more frustrating than the boss

#

the arms on the last phase was horrible tho

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

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honestly haven't even fought the boss

#

wait

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titanite demon?

#

f u c k

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

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bed of chaos is probably the worst desgined bos fight ive seen in a video game

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

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my save is at that demon

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

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nibba its literally just those big guys with titanite poles

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

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my save is literally at that guy

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

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theyre just tougher enemies, not a boss

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

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just run past

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

#

no i mean

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

#

#notwroth

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

#

i'm at that guy

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in lost izalith

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blocking the pass

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:01 AM

#

run past

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:01 AM

#

i didn't go past him

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:01 AM

#

fuck

#

that

#

guy

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:01 AM

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oh yeah that one, also, theres no way to salvage flukemarm

#

well maybe make it better

#

but its still an overall lame fight imo

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:01 AM

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make it spawn nkgs

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:01 AM

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unless you wanna mod it that it spawns 2 hornets instead

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oh yeah thats better

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:05 AM

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i thought it was a funy fight, didnt find it hard or anything, some people apparently got stuck on flukmarm

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 5:05 AM

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@delicate ether I'm not making grimm harder, I'm making grimm replayable because it's a fun bossfight

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:05 AM

#

watcher knights is the only real fight that made me hit a brick wall

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:05 AM

#

doesn't it also get slightly harder

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as you replay it

#

technically

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 5:06 AM

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no I'm making it harder the longer you last

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:06 AM

#

o

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 5:06 AM

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it resets in hardness when you die

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:06 AM

#

so he has infinite health?

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 5:06 AM

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yeah

#

but to make up for it you will get geo based on how much damage you do

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so you can track how well you did

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:06 AM

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thats... an interesting way to make a fight "replayable"

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:06 AM

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imo good way

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 5:07 AM

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well making it replayable was different that was just removing the check to see if you killed it already

young walrus May 6, 2018, 5:07 AM

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infinite fight tbh

#

zote

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:07 AM

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more arena fights would be nice

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:07 AM

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imo you do it when

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:07 AM

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my coding skill is about as good as your skill at driving a tank

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:07 AM

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idk what you're talking about

#

I'm great at driving tanks

young walrus May 6, 2018, 5:08 AM

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i'm literally a tank operator

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 5:08 AM

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are tanks even that hard to drive

#

tbh you probably don't have to worry about other cars

#

or the road

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:08 AM

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they probably arent 😄

young walrus May 6, 2018, 5:08 AM

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or people you don't like much

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 5:08 AM

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help I can't debug the fight because I only have KB&M and I can't last more than 15 seconds with it

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:08 AM

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like driving any track vehicle

compact sedge May 6, 2018, 5:08 AM

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why is playing without a controller so hard

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:08 AM

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boi i play kb+m only

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:09 AM

#

my first time beating hollow knight with with mousae and keyboard, that shit was rough

#

would beat him first try

#

died 20 times instead

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:09 AM

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KBM best controls, precise on its own

rain cedar May 6, 2018, 5:09 AM

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I play with mouse buttons only

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:10 AM

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how intuitative is using mouse as your attack anyway

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:10 AM

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very

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:10 AM

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imo it's super intuitive

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:10 AM

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imo better to just go full keyboard

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:10 AM

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that wasnt the hardpart

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it was movement with wasd

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:10 AM

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i have lmb as attack, rmb as dash, and middle as quick cast

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:10 AM

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mvoement on the keyboard is atrocious

#

same ^

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:10 AM

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i use 8456 as my movement so uhh

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 5:11 AM

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i have lmb as move left, rmb to move right, scroll up to jump, scroll down to attack

#

literally perfect controls

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:11 AM

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but using spacebar is shit tho, i think its starting to wear out as well

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:11 AM

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what's that mouse with like

#

32 side buttons

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:11 AM

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i used space to jup

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:11 AM

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you could play mouse only with this

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delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:12 AM

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good luck

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:12 AM

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i also use spacebar, but sometimes it goes to that blurry line of "should i jump" or "the player never let go of the jump button so no jump for you"

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 5:12 AM

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i have 3 extra buttons on my mouse

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:12 AM

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my muscle memory was trying to do controller input while my hand was on a keyboard, thats what made it so hard

flat forum May 6, 2018, 5:12 AM

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I use standard keyboard controls for everything

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:12 AM

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can you rebind the controller keys tho?

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:12 AM

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i use joy2key

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:13 AM

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same DS1 and 2 with keyboard only boi

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 5:13 AM

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i could probably play mouse only hollowface

flat forum May 6, 2018, 5:13 AM

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PoP included

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:13 AM

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hollow knights controller implimentation kinda sucks

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:13 AM

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i mean you could play mouse only with the normal 2 side buttons

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 5:13 AM

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its not theres

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:13 AM

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and scroll

flat forum May 6, 2018, 5:13 AM

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I want to try controler soon, but I think I'll take way too long to get used to it

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:13 AM

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technically

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like what you said and just have side be cdash and dnail

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 5:13 AM

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its some 3rd party library

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:13 AM

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or have side be jump and attack

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and scroll be cdash and dnail

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which would be easier i think

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 5:13 AM

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you need either dash or cast

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:14 AM

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it drops my controller a lot, or if the controller is unplugged, it requires a game restart to recognize

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:14 AM

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oof

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uhh

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 5:14 AM

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infact you need cast

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:14 AM

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oh yeah that controller bug, ive read other users having it

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:14 AM

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click both side buttons simultaneously for cast

floral furnace May 6, 2018, 5:14 AM

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they have to plug it first before starting

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:14 AM

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click middle button for dash

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:14 AM

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and dont get me started on the clusterfcuk that is steam controller support

leaden hedge May 6, 2018, 5:14 AM

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inc darkmod nkg mouse only

delicate ether May 6, 2018, 5:15 AM

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when i had steam controller support enabled, it would not let me hold buttons down

copper nacelle May 6, 2018, 5:15 AM

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lol