archived-modding-development

[rain cedar]

Yeah maybe

[compact sedge]

So I guess I'm supposed to put a status update after the pictures I posted yesterday. I got Crossroads mostly working on Linux (and my changes should help it work on mac as well), while leaving the program also working on Windows just as it used to (I tested it a little bit in a VM). but I've run into a minor problem. I'm having some trouble getting Windows Forms working. On windows the official folder and file selection dialogs just won't appear- this is ok because there's a 3rd party library that works around this. On Linux any windows form, from alert boxes (which the program uses quite a few of) to file selection dialogs won't disappear on pressing "ok". You have to spawn another form of any type to hide the last one, so I guess I could make a 1x1 blank window but that seems kinda hacky.

It's possible this is a Unity bug since it warns me that System.Windows.Forms is not fully supported when I try to compile.

I know most of y'all are c# devs so if anyone here knows a non-hacky fix to this please let me know. I'm not sure I should publish it with this kind of bug.

[solemn rivet]

Eh, sorry, can't help you there

Even tho my installer is winforms, it is all thanks to google-fu

[compact sedge]

Oh well, well the program works it just looks kinda bad because of it.

clicking x on that window does nothing, moving another window over it causes it to not re-render looking kinda glitchy, this is after clicking ok like I'm supposed to. I copied much of my windows forms code from CKAN and that program has working forms so IDK what's what.

it doesn't try redrawing anything so it shows whatever was on it last.

[flat forum]

Hey

I can't find the dark thing mod

[leaden hedge]

its not in the drive

because its hella meme

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/431164177441357844/Darkness.dll

tbh it should be in the drive

but w/e

[flat forum]

thanks

[compact sedge]

Alright unless someone pings me next time I post in this channel I'm gonna have made my own mod (or at least tried)

What mod? IDK yet I have some ideas but I need to figure out the process first so I can learn what's possible

[flat forum]

what mod?

[pearl sentinel]

@compact sedge feel free to use or contribute to modcommon to help with your mod

Or just as a repo to copy snippets from

https://github.com/Kerr1291/ModCommon

[compact sedge]

Thank you this is just the kind of thing I need :)

do you have any documentation for it?

[copper nacelle]

c o m m e n t s

[pearl sentinel]

The modding api provides the hooks and some more helpers; this is just something I've been trying to use to consolidate things I reuse into one place so it's not copy pasted over many mods. And hopefully welcome others to add to it

So far I've commented some things thoroughly, like the template state machine

And others not yet (just a time constraint thing)

[compact sedge]

ok well that's sorta helpful, and definitely better than nothing, and since you're providing the code for free I can't exactly complain

[pearl sentinel]

But tag me in any questions and I can answer

[compact sedge]

alright hopefully I don't need to

[rain cedar]

Using Hornet as the black egg gatekeeper if you've got any of the restrictions enabled

Very conveniently placed NPC

[pearl sentinel]

Here's an example of one of the things you could use out of the box for stuff: https://github.com/Kerr1291/ModCommon/blob/master/ModCommon/Components/Debug/DebugColliders.cs

While it kinda lacks comments it should be fairly straight forward

[rain cedar]

for(; ; )

So you're one of those people, then?

[pearl sentinel]

?

[rain cedar]

I just think that looks a lot messier than while (true) is all

Not really a big deal

[pearl sentinel]

Oh

I agree, actually

But I Remember reading the for (;;) optimizes better or something.

[rain cedar]

Odd

[compact sedge]

I'd say it doesn't matter but this isn't c++ so it might matter

[pearl sentinel]

Eh, looks like that was a c++ ism

That isn't true in c#

[compact sedge]

It's not true with gcc in c/c++ at least

[pearl sentinel]

Soooo guess I'll be switching

[rain cedar]

Yeah, looks like only foreach is worse performance

Which makes sense

[pearl sentinel]

For each was worse

[rain cedar]

But foreach is great so I'm gonna use it everywhere anyway

[pearl sentinel]

But that got fixed in newer unity versions afaik

I think 5.3 they fixed it

[rain cedar]

Cool

All bosses restriction was probably a bad idea

I need to do a lot of shit to make that work

Like preventing troupe banishment and zote death

[compact sedge]

plus you can't get the first ending I don't think with that restriction

[rain cedar]

That doesn't really matter

It's an optional restriction

[pearl sentinel]

Why not just not count the final grim fight and just set the player data books manually

Bools

[rain cedar]

I don't get what you mean by that

[pearl sentinel]

Like, set the bool so grey prince is available

So zote can die or w/e

[rain cedar]

Yeah, maybe

For grimm I was just gonna get rid of brumm in the lantern room

I think that's where he shows up

[pearl sentinel]

Yeah, good option. Or if there's a player data bool for "has talked to brum in deepnest" maybe just force it to stay off

[rain cedar]

There's a gotBrummsFlame bool but that might have some bad side effects

Like making it impossible to get his flame or letting you get it infinite times

Depending on how its implemented

[pearl sentinel]

Hmm

[rain cedar]

It's really pretty easy to mess with NPCs on scene load

This is all I'm doing for hornet

GameObject hornet = GameObject.Find("Hornet Black Egg NPC");
hornet.SetActive(true);
FsmState activeCheck = FSMUtility.LocateFSM(hornet, "Conversation Control").GetState("Active?");
activeCheck.RemoveActionsOfType<IntCompare>();
activeCheck.RemoveActionsOfType<PlayerDataBoolTest>();```

[pearl sentinel]

Would it be possible to add a randomized start location (bench) to randomizer without too much headache?

[rain cedar]

Probably not

Start location completely changes what items need to be where

[pearl sentinel]

Yeah, suppose that's true

Will have to wait until room randomizer is working, if ever

[rain cedar]

Yeah

Getting all the requirements for it is just super time consuming and not fun at all

if (GameManager.instance.GetSceneNameString() == "Cliffs_06" && Settings.allBosses) Object.Destroy(GameObject.Find("Brumm Lantern NPV"));```

Should be as simple as that

So there's one problem solved

Also yes it is NPV, that's not my typo

[pearl sentinel]

Yeah, I guess it's not important if the object is deactivated. Find doesn't locate inactive game objects

Which is why I wrote some extensions to do a find that would

[rain cedar]

Alright

Object.Destroy isn't gonna throw an exception if I pass it null, right?

If Find doesn't work on inactive shit

Ah well he's probably active all the time at scene load, anyway

Then some FSM turns him off

[pearl sentinel]

It will

Destroy a null throws a nullref iirc

If you pass null

https://github.com/Kerr1291/ModCommon/blob/master/ModCommon/Extensions/SceneExtensions.cs

[rain cedar]

I'll just do a null check, I don't think I need that

But thanks

[pearl sentinel]

[oblique shuttle]

so does lightbringer not work anymore?

[exotic venture]

nope it's dead, jim

[oblique shuttle]

😦

anything similar to it?

[exotic venture]

nothing to its likes will ever be seen for a long time i'm afraid

[oblique shuttle]

okay thanks

[rain cedar]

56 was messing around with putting lightbringer code in with MonoMod hooks

[oblique shuttle]

another quick question, should I use the enemy health bars or just the hp bar

oh nice, I didnt play back then so lightbringer would be fun to try

not sure if both the hp bar mods are compatable

[exotic venture]

they are

[oblique shuttle]

okay thanks

[exotic venture]

well

the old one isn't with the newest version iirc

that one still uses health as FSM i think

the enemy hp bars by gradow and kdt is the proper one

[oblique shuttle]

okay i thought so, thanks for confirming

cant find any info on what the boss rush mod does

[rain cedar]

Nothing

It's broken

[oblique shuttle]

lol okay, thanks

[rain cedar]

KDT is waiting to see if gng adds boss rush

[solid wagon]

@rain cedar playing around with your randomizer for the first time, curious if there's a record of the kind of stuff the randomizer expects you to be able to do (for instance I'm in Crystal Peak and I think the only ways forward are manuevering a dark room without the lantern or doing crazy spike pogos up walls)

[rain cedar]

Yeah, rainingchain made a helper

It's bound to be on his site somewhere

[solid wagon]

are you referring to this? https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/ghb3u

[rain cedar]

Nah but it looks like that has a link to the thing I meant

https://rainingchain.com/hollowknight/randomizer

[solid wagon]

oh cool this will be useful, thanks

i think I AM stuck though unless i maneuever the dark room

shouldn't have sat in that bench

[rain cedar]

What's stopping you from leaving peak towards crossroads?

[solid wagon]

Isn't that a dark room with a gate?

[rain cedar]

Yeah, you can buy the gate

Not being able to open tolls in the dark is stupid

So randomizer makes it so you can

[solid wagon]

Oh ok

Didn't know that

Then yeah I can leave that way

Is there a list of stuff you changed like that?

I know that the Baldur in the Ancestral Mound can be killed without Vengeful Spirit for starters

[rain cedar]

Mostly stuff that doesn't matter too much

Like removing benches that would soft lock you

[solid wagon]

on my first attempt I locked myself at Lake of Unn but I did a ctrl-f and found that it had already been brought up

[rain cedar]

Yeah, there's a couple benches that can still cause problems

I'll fix those when I release it for lifeblood

[solid wagon]

right on

really cool that this is a thing

i got turned on to randomizers by the LTTP randomizer race at AGDQ

and after i had played through that with my friends a bunch of times i was like 'i wonder if there's a hollow knight randomizer'

[rain cedar]

It's made really sloppily, I'm trying to do better with lifeblood

Just remaking the mod entirely instead of updating what's there

[solid wagon]

i was improvising my way up through Crystal Peak without Claw but figured that the randomizer PROBABLY doesn't expect me to do stuff like this especially on Easy https://youtu.be/zDtRruucSMU?t=1m (timestamped)

[rain cedar]

That actually is part of what can be required on hard

[solid wagon]

nice

[rain cedar]

But yeah not easy

[exotic venture]

this is a good one tbh

i really like that skip

[solid wagon]

yeah it was fun

i got to this part and was like "shit i can't proceed without the claw.... or can I?"

and i remembered my training

from the white palace

[sturdy jetty]

Is it just me or is there a glitch with the More Saves Mod?

When I press "[" and "]" to scroll through the pages of save files, it does not move.

[solemn rivet]

there might be

KDT isn't working on it atm, so there's no way to know

[leaden hedge]

TC added a check, that does nothing but break more saves

[solemn rivet]

kek

[leaden hedge]

Checks if save no is between 1 or 4 otherwise returns save no mod 4

Nothing I can do on my end

Api has to remove that pointless check

[young walrus]

And people wonder if TC hates us.....

[copper nacelle]

could you use the monomod hooks

[hollow pier]

monomon haha

[copper nacelle]

[leaden hedge]

Its in the middle of the save function

Just delete it tbqh

[solemn rivet]

oh, yeah

here, KDT

Error while loading save file for slot 3 Exception: System.ArgumentException: JSON parse error: Missing a closing quotation mark in string.
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) UnityEngine.JsonUtility:FromJson (string,System.Type)
  at UnityEngine.JsonUtility.FromJson[SaveGameData] (System.String json) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at GameManager.GetSaveStatsForSlot (Int32 saveSlot) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/DebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 51)```

what outputlog says about the save file edited with HKSM

[leaden hedge]

weird

[solemn rivet]

it says that for every file edited, btw

[leaden hedge]

can you dump it with the other one to json

and see if theres actually a missing quotation mark

[solemn rivet]

which one? RainingChain's?

[leaden hedge]

yes

[solemn rivet]

sure lemme just find it rq

there's one too many closing brackets

wtf

[leaden hedge]

nice random issue

[solemn rivet]

"LoadedMods":{"keys":["EnemyHPBar"],"values":["0.0.1"]},"Name":"}}

that's at the end

and Code is telling me that last bracket is unpaired

removed it, loading game to test

[leaden hedge]

looks like name is also wrong

"name":"}}

[solemn rivet]

yeah

maybe it's missing {"

that would fix the matching brackets

yup

"Name":""} works

[leaden hedge]

check the uneditted version

[solemn rivet]

"Name":""}

[leaden hedge]

dunno why that is happening

[solemn rivet]

it's turning that last " into a }

for some reason

[leaden hedge]

iirc java's json reader/writer expects something different

[solemn rivet]

also

I just checked

it overwrote all my saves with the edited save

now I have 4 identical save files

nice

nbd tbh

I can just edit them

[leaden hedge]

jsonString = jsonString.substring(0, jsonString.length()-2)+"}}"; ```

java doesn't expect the outer }} in its json

so I have to remove them to read it

and at it back

but I think saves with modded data add different stuff at the end

can you give me the entire save file as json?

uneditted

[solemn rivet]

sure

yeah, that last entry is mods

[leaden hedge]

isnt this the editted one?

ends in "name":"}}

[solemn rivet]

oh, by 'uneditted' I thought you meant that I didn't open and edit it by hand

sorry

[leaden hedge]

nah i just meant a working moddata one

[solemn rivet]

this one is uneditted

yeah

[leaden hedge]

hmu with a working modded .dat

[leaden hedge]

test that works

[solemn rivet]

[leaden hedge]

about the moresaves thing

public static bool Platform.IsSaveSlotIndexValid(int slotIndex)

always needs to return true, or add a hook asking for a max value w/e I don't care

I dunno who actually actively maintains api atm

[solemn rivet]

you can use that monomod "hook-on-demand" thingie and bypass that tho

[leaden hedge]

can someone test this on a vanilla save

[solid wagon]

@rain cedar have you thought about working Mask Shards and Vessel Fragments into the randomizer pool? is this feasible?

[solemn rivet]

I'll give it a try KDT

just a sec

it works

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

when I edited my files before, even the save editor wouldn't be able to open them

[leaden hedge]

ok cool, I released it like 2 hours ago so I don't have to unrelease it

[copper nacelle]

what'd you change

[solemn rivet]

but now it is able to open them again, both modded and unmodded save files

lemme just open them in-game to be safe

[leaden hedge]

    jsonString = jsonString.substring(0, jsonString.length()-2)+"}}";

to

if(json.has("modData"))
    jsonString = jsonString.substring(0, jsonString.length()-2)+"\"}";
else
    jsonString = jsonString.substring(0, jsonString.length()-2)+"}}";

[solemn rivet]

kek

best solution

not even kidding

[copper nacelle]

lol

[solemn rivet]

wut

HK is killing my user2.dat on load

wtf

[leaden hedge]

hacked

it knows

[solemn rivet]

not even hacked tho

I got a 106% from discussion

fucking steam auto-backups

it's overwriting my folder with old saves ffs

[compact sedge]

copy the save over while the game is running

but in the mainmenu

[solemn rivet]

yup just did that

[solemn rivet]

omg

I'm looking through some fsms

so the Knight has a Charm Effects child

and it has some fsms...

this one is "Set Spell Cost"

it's basically "if soulTwister equipped, cost = 24, else cost = 33"

why make it fsm tho

also, I'm not exaggerating btw

[exotic venture]

you should check the achievement for all charms

it checks

[exotic venture]

for every

single

charm

[solemn rivet]

it's literally a "if else"

[exotic venture]

it's such a meme

there's 3 million checks for everything

falling velocity is another good one

instead of just having a max velocity it checks if:
-you're not in acid
-you're not in water
-you're not dashing
-you're not using descending dark

and in the end it is overridden by inventory because it doesn't check when that is open so it never reaches a max velocity

tc good at coding

[solemn rivet]

looking at nail range fsm

[copper nacelle]

why is that an fsm

wtf

isn't nail range a vector

[solemn rivet]

it's literally csharp if (longnail.equipped) increase nail range; if (mop.equipped) increase nail range;

once again, not even kidding

[copper nacelle]

wasn't that not an fsm tho

[compact sedge]

but if you equip both doesn't your range not increase as much?

[copper nacelle]

wtf

I saw the exact same thing

in the NailSlash method

[solemn rivet]

it's applied multiplicatively, AA, not additively

yeah, 56

it's also in there

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

but this is for the animation

(I can only assume)

[compact sedge]

oh god so the animation doesn't match the actual hitbox?

[solemn rivet]

I think it does

but for some reason the hitbox is not attached to the actual animation

they have to set the two independently

[copper nacelle]

w h y

[void tree]

i can anecdotally say that the hitbox is bigger than the animation

[compact sedge]

good that's how it should be

[solemn rivet]

if (this.mantis && this.longnail)
{
  base.transform.localScale = new Vector3(this.scale.x * 1.4f, this.scale.y * 1.4f, this.scale.z);
  this.anim.Play(this.animName + " M");
}
else if (this.mantis)
{
  base.transform.localScale = new Vector3(this.scale.x * 1.25f, this.scale.y * 1.25f, this.scale.z);
  this.anim.Play(this.animName + " M");
}
else if (this.longnail)
{
  base.transform.localScale = new Vector3(this.scale.x * 1.15f, this.scale.y * 1.15f, this.scale.z);
  this.anim.Play(this.animName);
}
else
{
  base.transform.localScale = this.scale;
  this.anim.Play(this.animName);
}```here be NailSlash

so animation scales multiplicatively

[compact sedge]

uh that looks additively

[solemn rivet]

but hitbox does not

1.25 x 1.15 = 1.4375

[compact sedge]

with one it's +25% with another it's +15% with both it's +40%

[solemn rivet]

yeah, that's for the hitbox

[compact sedge]

huh

[solemn rivet]

but animation is controlled by that fsm from earlier

it first applies the range from longnail

after that it checks and applies it for mop

[compact sedge]

so animation is 144% but the actual range is 140%?

[solemn rivet]

so it has to be multiplicative

or maybe not

hm...

[exotic venture]

i think it just goes for 1.4 if it has both

and ignores the other two

[solemn rivet]

I like how the fsm doesn't actually do anything:

it just sends a message

[rain cedar]

That's like half the game right there

[solemn rivet]

that's all of the states, btw

[rain cedar]

FSMs that only exist to trigger other FSMs

[solemn rivet]

it has one state to check for longnail and one for mop, and that's all

that up there is the state if check for longnail returns true

I assume all it's doing is setting a bool somewhere else

also, now I think I know what causes sharp shadow to randomly break

[exotic venture]

it's fsms spawning fsms right

[solemn rivet]

this is the whole fsm "Control" for "Sharp Shadow Impact" gameObject

Transitions
FINISHED => Recycle
Actions
GetOwner(0)
RandomFloat(pÁ,pA,Rotation)
SetRotation(NULL,3.402823669209385e+38,,,,Rotation,0,FALSE,FALSE)
ActivateAllChildren(0,TRUE)
Wait(€?,FINISHED,FALSE)```

[exotic venture]

recycle?

[solemn rivet]

Transitions
Actions
RecycleSelf)```

[copper nacelle]

destroy itself probably

[solemn rivet]

I figure something is preventing the "FINISHED" event from being sent

so it never "recycles"

maybe the ActivateAllChildren is returning an nre or something

the thing is, I can't reliably test this hypothesis

I can force it to send the FINISHED event, sure, but since the bug is kinda random...

no way to know if the fix actually works

[exotic venture]

can you replace the recycle altogether maybe?

[solemn rivet]

[Tooltip("Recycles the Owner of the Fsm. Useful for Object Pool spawned Prefabs that need to kill themselves, e.g., a projectile that explodes on impact.")]
[ActionCategory("Object Pool")]
public class RecycleSelf : FsmStateAction
{
  // Token: 0x06000F23 RID: 3875 RVA: 0x000557AB File Offset: 0x000539AB
  public override void OnEnter()
  {
    if (base.Owner != null)
    {
      base.Owner.Recycle();
    }
    base.Finish();
  }
}```

such use

much needed

ObjectPool.isRecycling = true;
if (obj != null && prefab != null)
{
  ObjectPool.instance.pooledObjects[prefab].Add(obj);
  ObjectPool.instance.spawnedObjects.Remove(obj);
  obj.transform.parent = ObjectPool.instance.transform;
  if (obj.GetComponent<ActiveRecycler>() != null)
  {
    obj.transform.SetPosition2D(ObjectPool.activeStashLocation);
    FSMUtility.SendEventToGameObject(obj, "A RECYCLE", false);
  }
  else
  {
    obj.SetActive(false);
  }
  ObjectPoolAuditor.RecordDespawned(obj, true);
}
ObjectPool.isRecycling = false;```

lemme see if I can bypass that...

[wide crown]

@pearl sentinel is there a new update for 1.3.1.8 api?

[copper nacelle]

@wind mesa rando isn't updated yet

being updated tho

looks really neat

[wind mesa]

rando?

[copper nacelle]

randomizer

[wind mesa]

ok yea

[copper nacelle]

if you want to play rando rn you can downpatch to 1.2.2.1

[wind mesa]

of course, ill only try it when i actually finish the game

[wide crown]

hi meant just the api

not the individual ones

[vagrant leaf]

api is updated

[wide crown]

in the drive i see .5 no .8

[copper nacelle]

try not being on beta ez

[wide crown]

oh :/

[rain cedar]

Does beta even have benefits right now?

[warped sinew]

Not really

Most fixes after 5 are Linux stuff

A few small bugs but nothing major

[rain cedar]

Yeah, thought so

[compact sedge]

This is a dumb question but which version of Unity does Hollow Knight use?

[rain cedar]

No idea, but it's .net 3.5 if that helps

[compact sedge]

turns out it doesn't matter to dnSpy

I'm gonna try to decompile it in my vm and then copy it back to my host system

[pearl sentinel]

5.6

[compact sedge]

ooh I think that's the last version before they moved to year based versions

[pearl sentinel]

Yep

[vagrant leaf]

oh wait @pearl sentinel

is false knight in enemy rando pools

[pearl sentinel]

Nope. He's too complicated to try spawning

[glacial panther]

can you spawn him in greenath

[pearl sentinel]

See previous statement

[copper nacelle]

meme imo

[glacial panther]

I know I was doing a shitty meme

[copper nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297468195026239489/440656659073990662/false_knight_in_greenath.png

[pearl sentinel]

O

So, I don't wanna speak too soon. But I started on something after having an epiphany this weekend

[glacial panther]

my computer doesn't want me to run crossroads loader

am I good

[copper nacelle]

you can use gradow's then

imo post error tho

[glacial panther]

No I mean it has a safety warning

[pearl sentinel]

But I think I might be able to save and load hollow knight enemies from/to file with what I'm working on

[vagrant leaf]

[pearl sentinel]

And really any playmaker fsm game objects in general

[copper nacelle]

unrelated: did you ever find out how to load the enemy pre-fabs

[solemn rivet]

so, I was working with that sharp shadow impact fsm thingie

turns out it's actually 2 impacts

[INFO]:[OneHP] - Sharp Shadow Impact found - Impact 1. Parent - Sharp Shadow Impact(Clone)```

[pearl sentinel]

So, what I figured out about prefab stuff

The enemies are prefabs, pretty sure, but, they aren't stored in the /Resources folder in their unity project

[copper nacelle]

🤢

why

[pearl sentinel]

This means, they're only "loaded" when a scene that needs them is loaded

Like, as far as unity goes, this is a good thing

[glacial panther]

start boss rush mod

immediately clip into the ground

[pearl sentinel]

This is also part of the motivation behind what I'm doing tho

[copper nacelle]

groversoup plz

[pearl sentinel]

If I can get the data saved to a file, then the enemy or whatever could be created at runtime

[glacial panther]

oops

[pearl sentinel]

Also, you could then edit that data if you wanted to mod an fsm

[copper nacelle]

that'd be super convenient

[pearl sentinel]

Basically, the way I'm doing it is inspired by that reflection fsm data getter I told you about before

I took that concept and expanded it to serialization for saving and loading

[solemn rivet]

wait

56 did you make that monomod hook thingie work with playmaker?

[hollow pier]

monomon haha

[copper nacelle]

yea

[solemn rivet]

hm... Might try something

do you have a handy link? Or should I just search for it?

[copper nacelle]

i can grab it real fast

api w/ the stuff is in https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/439917182097555459/QoL.zip

[glacial panther]

is there a way to make grimm's tent graphic respawn using debug

[copper nacelle]

separate hooks dll is this

[solemn rivet]

I like the name

QoL

[copper nacelle]

just throwing random qol stuff in there

rn it's just skip all cutscenes including credits and endings and menu drop + storage re-enabled

[solemn rivet]

just add qol to references in VS, right?

[copper nacelle]

there should be an api in the zip w/ the mod

[solemn rivet]

yup

oh, should I use that api instead?

[copper nacelle]

yea

or you can use the hooks dll

[solemn rivet]

k

[copper nacelle]

whatever works

[solemn rivet]

wtf

why can't I hit anything

my game is broke af

omg

[copper nacelle]

wtf

api was working for me

[wide crown]

inb4 collision disabled

[copper nacelle]

didn't test hooks.dll tbh

[solemn rivet]

I only added the hooks.dll

both to references and to Mods

lemme show you

[wide crown]

what's the reference folder?

[solemn rivet]

oh, I figured it out

[wide crown]

i could test it too for you

[solemn rivet]

but still, worth showing

https://puu.sh/AdFXH/214aa53592.mp4

look at this masterpiece

with a single line of code I broke all FSMs at once

beautiful

[wide crown]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL we saw menderbug at work too there 😮

[solemn rivet]

(I hooked to PlayMakerFsm.Awake and forgot to call orig at the end)

[floral furnace]

menderbug just fucking froze

[copper nacelle]

lol

x2

[floral furnace]

shitmodst 2 confirmed?

[buoyant obsidian]

I have been outdone

[wide crown]

menderbug: "well i'm done now i'll just awkwardly stop working bye"

[copper nacelle]

semi-related

have you tried the mono mod hooks

[buoyant obsidian]

I've heard that word a bunch, what's mono mod?

[copper nacelle]

MonoMod is what the API uses to patch assembly-csharp

to like replace the methods so they can add hooks

recently it got a runtime detour hook generator

which lets you replace any function or add stuff before/after it

which is how i did the lightbringer api thing

[buoyant obsidian]

interesting

[copper nacelle]

because w/ it there's nothing you can't change

except protected and internal and final and const stuff

[buoyant obsidian]

field access modifiers?

[solemn rivet]

you can reflect those imo

at least private ones

[copper nacelle]

you can reflect internals?

[solemn rivet]

p r i v 8

not internal or final, afaik

but you can change and access a lot of code with monomod, is the point

[buoyant obsidian]

private is enough for me, I'm sold

[copper nacelle]

according to a random stackoverflow thing you can get internals

you still have to use reflection for privates but you can change all the methods super easily

like this is what I got from lightbringer overridden w/ monomod

[buoyant obsidian]

oh god I left comments in it?

[copper nacelle]

yeah

the nope comment is mine tho

i was trying to get the

this.anim.PlayFromFrame(0);
        this.stepCounter = 0;
        this.polyCounter = 0;
        this.poly.enabled = false;
        this.clashTinkPoly.enabled = false;
        this.animCompleted = false;
        this.anim.AnimationCompleted = new Action<tk2dSpriteAnimator, tk2dSpriteAnimationClip>(this.Disable);
        this.slashing = true;
        this.mesh.enabled = true;

stuff to work

then i realized why bother when you can just call orig

which does it for you

and these are all the hooks

[buoyant obsidian]

what was wrong with the boss fights btw?

probably the fact that I declared static variables, right?

[copper nacelle]

makes everything super simple

no it was just that everything in herocontroller was private

and annoying to modify

all the mod vars ended up being easier than I thought

i just made them all class vars

didn't get text to work tho

[buoyant obsidian]

tbh I barely got text to work

this looks a lot simpler than the API, would this be a replacement to it?

of sorts

[copper nacelle]

you would use it w/ the api

so you just make a mod like normal

and have the monomod hooks in the mod

if my pr gets merged then it would be part of the api

otherwise you'd just add a ref to the hooks dll

[buoyant obsidian]

I see

[copper nacelle]

example w/ the skip cutscenes thing

[buoyant obsidian]

interesting

and with the API it's basically one giant class where I can put all my methods?

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[buoyant obsidian]

and they'll be written to wherever they need

[copper nacelle]

it just runs the hooks before/after/instead of the methods but basically yea

[buoyant obsidian]

instead of is an option too

alright good

[solemn rivet]

but "instead of" is not recommended

for reasons

[buoyant obsidian]

Those reasons being?

aside from new versions screwing stuff up

[copper nacelle]

with monomod hooks you can't have multiple mods doing instead of

i mean you can

[solemn rivet]

^

[copper nacelle]

but only one will run

[buoyant obsidian]

oh good point

[copper nacelle]

but for the most part you can just call the function before/after with modified args

[buoyant obsidian]

Yeah, not a huge deal

[copper nacelle]

or just call it and then override everything it does

like i did w/ the nailslash

[solemn rivet]

oh

[buoyant obsidian]

I'll have to get back into Hollow Knight modding this summer if I'm not too busy with moving

but I need to survive these next 4 days first

I have 3 exams tomorrow

[copper nacelle]

oof

[buoyant obsidian]

C programming, Prolog / Smalltalk programming, and Statistics

[solemn rivet]

o+o=f

[floral furnace]

is Text an object or something cuz from all the tutorials ive seen online it works to make something like Text text but for my case it seems to declare that it doesnt exist in this context or whatev (also i pretty much tested using/importing most of hte libraries to see if thats the problem still persists tho)

[copper nacelle]

imo missing reference

[buoyant obsidian]

Text is usually a component in Unity if I'm understanding you right

[floral furnace]

ye

[copper nacelle]

you need a ref to UnityEngine.UI

[floral furnace]

weird

[copper nacelle]

and a using ofc

[solemn rivet]

ok, so I have a potential fix to sharp shadow breaking bug using monomod hooks

I'm forcing it to recycle itself every time it gets called

ttacco - using canvas?

or imgui?

[floral furnace]

yeah im trying to use canvas

[solemn rivet]

using Modding;
using UnityEngine;
using UnityEngine.UI;```

this what enemyhpbar uses

[floral furnace]

still weird though, im already using UnityEngine.UI but Text text basically still declares it "type Text could not be found" or something

[copper nacelle]

you have the assembly reference too, right?

cause UnityEngine.UI is its own dll

[floral furnace]

oh goddamn

it aint putting out an error like "could not find reference" like that so i assumed it was part of UnityEngine in itself

[solemn rivet]

Text text = new Text(); dis not work

[floral furnace]

aight its working now, my Java instinct is still there, like "why import a specific part of System when you can just import the entirety of System in itself"

[copper nacelle]

text = gameObject.AddComponent<Text>();

except gameobject was gamemanager or something

iirc

[solemn rivet]

yeah, I figured

just being stupid

[buoyant obsidian]

maybe try something like ESPbase.AddComponent<TextMesh>(); TextMesh textComponent = ESPbase.GetComponent<TextMesh>();

[copper nacelle]

what's ESPbase

[buoyant obsidian]

that's for another game

it's just a gameobject

[copper nacelle]

o

you can do x y = gameObject.AddComponent<x>(); too

no need for the get component

[solemn rivet]

^

I do that alot in hpbar

[buoyant obsidian]

yeah I know, I really should clean up my code a bit more

[copper nacelle]

do you guys use ReSharper?

[leaden hedge]

No

My code is already muy bueno por favor no say es bad

[pearl sentinel]

I should at home. I do at work. It's pretty nice

[copper nacelle]

everything is yellow now

yellow

ree

[pearl sentinel]

Change your style rules?

[copper nacelle]

yea did that now

[leaden hedge]

Var lul nice joke

[copper nacelle]

wow this is nice

[leaden hedge]

What is this js

[pearl sentinel]

The thing I always wanted and had to get a little helper script for was a hot key combo to put curly braces around a highlighted block

[leaden hedge]

I wonder if I can get it for my c# code for free 🤔

All my code is open source and actively maintained 🤔

[copper nacelle]

ez

til conditional access with ? exists

[floral furnace]

h o w

[copper nacelle]

high school

.edu email

[leaden hedge]

Hella gay

[compact sedge]

reasons to not drop out number 1

[pearl sentinel]

Ah I remember the days of edu freebies

[compact sedge]

I still have my old high school email

hopefully forever

[copper nacelle]

nice

[floral furnace]

CSharper more like its a crutch use a real IDE use notepad /s

[copper nacelle]

hoping i keep mine

[leaden hedge]

I've not been in uni for 4 years it only got cancelled last year

[pearl sentinel]

Now I just snag dem "work benefits"

[leaden hedge]

Reaharper isn't an ide

Its a VS extension

[floral furnace]

i know, just saying using tools to make youre life easier, when you can just go hardcore with a shitty notepad

[copper nacelle]

wtf magic

[leaden hedge]

Writing in HL languages

Peasants

[floral furnace]

Notepad > IDE > IDE with tools/extensions

[pearl sentinel]

Static code analysis tools = amazing

[leaden hedge]

Write everything in asm binary only

[pearl sentinel]

Write everything in fsm only

[floral furnace]

srsly just starting here, not knowing anything about fsm a what not, but are they really that bad? (FSMs i mean)

[pearl sentinel]

Fsms aren't bad

But, the particular thing used for hollow knight creates visual fsms that one uses to do visual scripting

This isn't inherently bad, but it's not something that is easy to modify in code

And it's used for about 75% of hollow knight

[solemn rivet]

Earlier today I posted an example of the spell twister charm fsm

Just ctrl+f it to see for yourself

[leaden hedge]

Its not even the visual parts, the problem is each action is a class with memory for everything it needs, and they pretty much use single lines of code per action

Whereas something like hearthstone uses hundreds per action

So there's way less shit everywhere

[solemn rivet]

Some are harmless and quirky, and some are just... Godawful

Like fsms all the way down

[pearl sentinel]

The thing is, playmaker is mostly targeted at non-programming

So a people who can't code can make something

[leaden hedge]

But its not supposed to be used by non programmers completely

[pearl sentinel]

Like, it's not flexible and it most certainly doesn't scale

[leaden hedge]

The usecase is, programmer makes complicated action designer glues a few actions together and they have a quick prototype

[pearl sentinel]

It's great if you wanna prototype

[leaden hedge]

If you can't program actions into you just end up with insane bloat

[pearl sentinel]

Like hollow knight has like 3 versions of some deceleration action, decelerate, decelleratev2, and deceleratev3

[flat forum]

Soo...

I went to the mantis Lords with the Mantis Gods mod installed

[pearl sentinel]

I have no idea what the difference was

[flat forum]

and the HPBars one

and no matter how much I attack them HP Bars won't appear

so I'm either dealing no damage

or the HPBars mod is broken

[leaden hedge]

You can read the fsms code to figure it out assuming there is a difference

Hpbars is broken on lifeblood

[flat forum]

the Gradow and Niko one?

[pearl sentinel]

There is, and I did when porting hornet

Just saying

[floral furnace]

Folding this is the old HP bar, not the new one?

[flat forum]

the Gradow and HollowNiko one

this https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1y5YgWgqNi53_VpkYZdPZO5UKxsmUmmWZ

[floral furnace]

does it work for all the other enemies tho?

[flat forum]

all other enemies up to now were fine

only Mantis Lords

[pearl sentinel]

Naming classes like that is akin to calling your classes Foo, Foo2, and Foo3

[floral furnace]

probably something was modified with Mantis God that prevents the hp bar from seeing their healths probably?

[leaden hedge]

It at least tells you its decelerating something

[flat forum]

Maybe the mantis lords got an HP Buff and it won't appear until their HP reaches the intended one

I'll go test this

[floral furnace]

or some verbs or variables and what not were modified in Mantis Gods, and the HP bar cant find it, just a guess

[pearl sentinel]

Though that happens in the real world too. When I started here our games used this main game class to inherit from called BaseGame2

When I asked about BaseGame instead of 2 they told me oh idk, but don't use it it's old and broken probably

[copper nacelle]

@flat forum yeah it doesn't show up until it reaches intended

[pearl sentinel]

[leaden hedge]

Use BaseGame3 its better

[flat forum]

Just set damage to 100 it it showed up after a bit yeah

why does that happen, can it be fixed?

[leaden hedge]

Shitmod I fixed that in hpbars

[flat forum]

So I should also download Shitmod?

[leaden hedge]

No

[copper nacelle]

am i being dumb or is it

[leaden hedge]

No its correct

Instance could be null

[pearl sentinel]

Are your binding flags correct?

Also that

[copper nacelle]

aren't the top and bottom ones the same

[flat forum]

Is there a mod that replaces the bosses with their Dream Versions?

[copper nacelle]

no

[flat forum]

False Knight - Failed Champ

Oh..

[floral furnace]

Nail 0 Failed Champ

with no dash

[flat forum]

Why? I want one

and it shouldn't be too hard

[leaden hedge]

Aren't you supposed to cache fieldinfo

[pearl sentinel]

Maybe bc it could be null but you're casting it to a non nullable type?

[copper nacelle]

i should be but also this was just me copy pasting lightbringer

[pearl sentinel]

So a possible exception?

[copper nacelle]

oh

you were correct

thanks

[pearl sentinel]

Np

[copper nacelle]

also x? is god

[floral furnace]

wait are you trying on making a Lightbringer revived edition?

[copper nacelle]

it was just a test of lightbringer w/ monomod hooks

might fix it later

[floral furnace]

i see

[leaden hedge]

u won't

[copper nacelle]

ree

[pearl sentinel]

public static void Parse<T,U>(T output, U data)
        {
            FieldInfo[] fields = data.GetType().GetFields(bflags);
            Type outputType = output.GetType();
​
            //use the field names to assgin all the input data
            foreach(FieldInfo f in fields)
            {
                if(f.Name.Contains("parseIgnore_"))
                    continue;
​
                Type fType = f.FieldType;
​
                if(fType.BaseType.IsGenericType || (fType.IsArray && (f.GetValue(data) as Array).GetValue(0).GetType().BaseType.IsGenericType))
                {
                    MethodInfo parseXMLMethod = null;
                    Type invokeType = fType;
​
                    object parsedData = null;
​
                    if(fType.IsArray)
                    {
                        invokeType = (f.GetValue(data) as Array).GetValue(0).GetType();
                        parseXMLMethod = invokeType.GetMethod("ParseXMLDataArray", new Type[] { fType });
​
                        object[] rawData = (object[])f.GetValue(data);
                        parsedData = parseXMLMethod.Invoke(rawData[0], new object[] { rawData });
                    }
                    else
                    {
                        parseXMLMethod = fType.GetMethod("ParseXMLData", new Type[] { fType });
​
                        object rawData = f.GetValue(data);
                        parsedData = parseXMLMethod.Invoke(rawData, new object[] { rawData });
                    }
​
                    outputType.GetField(f.Name, bflags).SetValue(output, parsedData);
                }
                else
                {
                    outputType.GetField(f.Name, bflags).SetValue(output, f.GetValue(data));
                }
            }
        }

That's the snippet I was proud of today

[copper nacelle]

is this for the fsm serialization?

[pearl sentinel]

public class FsmStateData : CustomXMLElement<FsmState, FsmStateData>
    {
        public override FsmState ParseXMLData(FsmStateData data)
        {
            FsmState state = new FsmState(Globals.currentFsm);
            Reflector.Parse<FsmState, FsmStateData>(state, data);
            return state;
        }
​
        public override FsmState[] ParseXMLDataArray(FsmStateData[] data)
        {
            FsmState[] output = new FsmState[data.Length];
            for(int i = 0; i < data.Length; ++i)
            {
                output[i] = ParseXMLData(data[i]);
            }
            return output;
        }

Example

[leaden hedge]

Did you dump animations and audio

[pearl sentinel]

That's gonna be next. Was tackling the harder stuff first

It'll likely use this code too

[leaden hedge]

Unity doesn't really like you reading its textures or spritesheet data iirc

[rain cedar]

For that you can write the texture onto a new one fairly easily

[leaden hedge]

You've gotta render the texture to a render texture then convert that back just to read them iirc

[pearl sentinel]

I did my masters work with computer graphics stuff and do shader shinangans at work so I'm not too worried there. I just need to poke around with 2k toolkit and see how it's put together. Some googling last night showed me it wouldn't be too bad

[leaden hedge]

2d tk only has the individual sprites

AFAIK you can't get spritesheet data out

[pearl sentinel]

The biggest hurdles are managing prefabs and fsms/game object references right now

Since you can't really save a game object reference to a file

I should probably work on anything else, but this has apparently grabbed my interest for now

[slender stump]

seanpr speedrun mods

no modding

conrad mod

no modding

[compact sedge]

can confirm fsms are annoying me.

[slender stump]

kerr is modding

no mods

[compact sedge]

tbh not 100% sure how to read them

[slender stump]

thanks

wyza killer of joy modder

flaavor savior

is art mod

[compact sedge]

weren't you muted yesterday?

[slender stump]

ikr

[compact sedge]

aww screw it I'll just ask.

Where's data on specific enemy stats stored (like health and stuff)? I'm unable to find it in the assembly file, but I'm also not sure how to read data from resources.assets.

[pearl sentinel]

Hp is in the health manager component

Probably a good way to see how things translate is to look at my text dump of hornet and the code rewrite of her fsms that I produced from that

https://github.com/Kerr1291/EnemyRandomizer/blob/master/EnemyRandomizerDll/EnemyRandomizer/MiscHelperData/Fungus1_04_boss

That's most of hornet

[slender stump]

kerr

it like car

[compact sedge]

that's formatted kinda awkwardly not gonna lie

This is all pretty new to me tbh

[pearl sentinel]

https://github.com/Kerr1291/ModCommon/blob/master/ModCommon/Components/StateMachines/Rewrites/HornetBoss.cs

[royal ridge]

He's muted now

[pearl sentinel]

That's the resulting code from the fsms that I figured out

If you look at the text dump, you can see the PFSM state unit and those actions

Each action is a .cs class

So in my state machine rewrite I created an Init () state, and you can see the function doing those actions, but as normal code instead of playmaker objects

Oh whoops, that text dump is missing hornet ' fsm. Her corpse would probably be better then

[compact sedge]

so I can see where health for example is defined in healthmanager, and how its used in your script, but I do not see where the value, say 700 for hornet 2, is set.

[rain cedar]

Unity sets things in the background by magic

Because editor

[compact sedge]

maybe I'm just stupid but I've never done unity modding before

[pearl sentinel]

You mean, how is the max hp defined?

[compact sedge]

yeah like where the value is actually assigned to a given mob

[pearl sentinel]

It's just hard coded in the inspector

They made the component with an "hp" field

Then typed in 200 or w/e

Then you can use that whole thing like a template, and copy/paste the object

[compact sedge]

Wait so I can actually like edit the game with the unity inspector?

or no

[pearl sentinel]

Not for us

[compact sedge]

because I've just been poking around for the last 3 hours in the disassembler.

[pearl sentinel]

That's how tc does it

For us, we spawn an enemy, like hornet or whatever then check the hp

Then that's how we know the max

[compact sedge]

it seems like there's a lot of things y'all potentially cannot do, like create custom levels then.

maybe I'm wrong

[pearl sentinel]

Well levels are just art + colliders

Nothing special

You could make them in unity and import an asset bundle

[compact sedge]

ahh true

[pearl sentinel]

Or you can save game object references at runtime and spawn copies or move them around etc

I've done both

[compact sedge]

wait I probably shouldn't just be editing stuff with the disassembler should I because that will make it incompatible with other mods

[pearl sentinel]

Right

Use the modding api

[compact sedge]

thanks for the help, I'm new to a lot of this stuff so I'm sorry for any silly or dumb questions. I think I'll figure this out, I figured out c++ and I'll damn well figure out c# too

[pearl sentinel]

Just look at our various mods and things will start to click. Debug mod is a good one and it might sound silly, but my boop sound mod is really simple but shows how you can change a few things in fsms

Anyway, past my bedtime. Good luck!

[compact sedge]

thanks will do my best

[compact sedge]

ok your modcommon rocks. Everything is sorta starting to make sense to me now... sorta.

but I was able to quickly copy some real enemy code, remove the redundant parts done by EnemySM, and now I can modify this enemy AI however I want.

(I hope I'm doing it right)

[narrow night]

where can i find the charms stats information in the files ?

[knotty shoal]

this basically means i downloaded the wrong zip right

[floral furnace]

dunno, sometimes when i download directly it still says it

also boss rush doesnt work on lifeblood

[knotty shoal]

sad

what works rn?

didnt mod anything yet

[floral furnace]

well you added boss rush right?

[knotty shoal]

yeah

didnt work

[floral furnace]

according to the dev it wont be worked on until GnG cuz you never if Boss Rush is actually gonna be the new game mode

[jolly latch]

hm so it doesnt show my little icon on the map...could it be a mod?

[solid wagon]

NOTE TO SELF

don't examine the Dreamer monument in Resting Grounds in randomizer if you already have the Dream Nail

locked my game

[floral furnace]

how so? you cant pick up the item at the end of the dream sequence?

[solid wagon]

huh

well i reloaded

went past the monument instead and went and talked to the moth

then i backtracked and examined the monument again

and this time it didn't lock my game

so idk!

but the lock was my game literally just froze up instead of it initiating the dream sequence

[solid wagon]

completed my first randomizer run on easy. 3 hours on the dot. really cool, looking forward to trying Hard after the update

[trim nimbus]

yo can you do item randomizer on CP?

[young walrus]

No

[trim nimbus]

alright thanks

I guess I'll downpatch if I wanna do it

but it does make sense since a lot of glitches are rip

[young walrus]

You can't do it because it's being rewritten

Glitches have nothing to do with it

[trim nimbus]

oh

my bad

thanks for the info Mick

[copper nacelle]

paraheristo

how much natural talent do you have

[trim nimbus]

I did SL1 NG+7 soul of cinder no rolling and iirc I'm the person who spent the least amount of time attempting it

[hollow pier]

so none

[copper nacelle]

imo sl1 NG+7 SoC no sprint

beat aura to it

also no roll makes me want to die whenever I try it

[hexed vale]

is there a mod that stops the humming while sat at bench?

[young walrus]

what humming

[hexed vale]

saluba's charm humminh

[young walrus]

yeah. it's called pressing a button

stand next to the bench

[hollow pier]

it's called the mute button

[solid wagon]

i'm not downpatched and i used the randomizer fine

🤔

[solemn rivet]

it might work

but sean is working on a new ver

so it's most certainly worth the wait

@copper nacelle can I distribute the hooks dll with blackmoth?

[solemn rivet]

wait, so hook.dll requires .NET v4.0?

[bronze temple]

@solemn rivet it shouldn't - it should require the same runtime that the input assembly requires

[solemn rivet]

weird

[copper nacelle]

sure but probably better to add it as a mod dependency

[solemn rivet]

I tried compiling blackmoth with it as a reference and it didn't work

[copper nacelle]

because then I can add QoL and such

[solemn rivet]

but when I changed blackmoth's .net version, it started compiling with no issues

[bronze temple]

Who has generated the hook.dll and can you please send me a copy of it?

[solemn rivet]

56

but it's nbd

game runs fine even with it

[bronze temple]

Because in the worst case, you should be just fine with modifying the .dll's target framework in dnSpy or something else

the generated .dll doesn't require any .NET 4.0 features

so it's just the metadata

[solemn rivet]

I figure it's just a simple task of changing the target framework in VS

yeah

[copper nacelle]

wait

Are any of the monomod dlls .net 4

bc I merged them all with the hooks dll using IlMerge so that it's easier to use

[solemn rivet]

lemme revert back and show you all the error I was getting

hooks depends on .net v4.0 confirmed

lore implications

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

also, resharper is lit

thank god I work in uni

[copper nacelle]

high school ez

[solemn rivet]

I like how resharper suggested I delete my mod's main class

"it's useless", it says

[compact sedge]

savage

[copper nacelle]

that happened to me too

unused class

[solemn rivet]

I'm like

I know my mod's useless m8, there's no need to tell me that again

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

I have a dream

a dream where I can play as A2 in HK

[hollow burrow]

what is a2

[solemn rivet]

it's paper size you dungo

[hollow burrow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A2_milk

[solid wagon]

a2, brute?

[hollow burrow]

does anyone sell a-1 paper

[solemn rivet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size#A_series

[hollow burrow]

i know what it is u green man

square root of 2 big meme

[copper nacelle]

no u

[solemn rivet]

also, awful memes, Winrar

[hollow burrow]

ur a number

[solemn rivet]

awful, just awful

[hollow burrow]

a2ful

[solid wagon]

a2 with fury of the fallen active, would be pretty fitting

[solemn rivet]

and change the behaviour of FotF to actively drain your health

[solid wagon]

who's gonna draw her in the artstyle tho

[solemn rivet]

maybe I can ask in #art-discussion....

another idea would be to make a charm that behaves like her offensive heal combo

so you can counteract the fotf

[hollow burrow]

oh is a2 a person

[copper nacelle]

nier i think

extreme difficulty

[solemn rivet]

http://lmgtfy.com/?t=i&q=a2

[copper nacelle]

tbf just googling a2 doesn't help

unless you look down

which is clearly too difficult

[solemn rivet]

point taken

[copper nacelle]

tbh i missed it the first time

which is why i googled a2 character

[solemn rivet]

maybe my pc is biased

she's literally all that showed up for me

[hollow burrow]

gradow how much time have you spent looking at a2 on google images

[copper nacelle]

3rd result

[solemn rivet]

images m8

[copper nacelle]

mostly cars

[solemn rivet]

elmer - I'm not legally allowed to answer that without my lawyer

[hollow burrow]

call me glue

[hollow pier]

got the same as gradow

but i dont look at a2 all day

[vagrant leaf]

wow nice #archived-modding-development

[hollow pier]

modding is just general for modders

[copper nacelle]

google images does that

just tried it

[solemn rivet]

it is modding, we talking about adding her as a character

possibly

maybe

probably

in the distant distant future

...?

[copper nacelle]

replace all resources painfully ez

[solemn rivet]

seriously tho

if I can, in the near-ish future, make a menu option so that the user can choose between diff hpbar styles (and possibly even add their own)

maybe I'll look more into asset replacement

[hollow burrow]

aren't there like hundreds of character sprites though

[solemn rivet]

yeah

but if you could simply import/export sprite sheets...

I mean, technically you can do that rn

but with serious restrictions

each sprite has to be a very specific size

if you go a few pixels off, it screws everything

[solid wagon]

pc is a little short to swap in a2

Maybe wait for hornet dlc

[delicate ether]

is there new dlc coing?

coming

[solemn rivet]

cp3

and hornet dlc

[delicate ether]

i dont know what cp3 means

[solemn rivet]

content pack

gods n glory

[delicate ether]

whoa they are still working on hollow knight? thats cool

[solemn rivet]

yeah, they sure are

[delicate ether]

is there like a dev blog or something?

also, how hard would a new game + mode be to impliment

[copper nacelle]

http://teamcherry.com.au\

[delicate ether]

something similar to darksouls

[copper nacelle]

just more enemy health?

[delicate ether]

keep certain things but everything is harder

[copper nacelle]

ez

[solemn rivet]

yup

ezpz

[delicate ether]

as a nasis sure, but maybe new eneies and such one day

basis*

[copper nacelle]

just enemy health is easy af

[delicate ether]

it would be cool if certain things persisted in the world after you beat it, encouraging new playthroughs

[solid wagon]

new enemy placement

[solemn rivet]

retain some items is also easy

[copper nacelle]

PlayerData.resetdata or whatever imo

[solid wagon]

picture enemies from queen's garden showing up in greenpath

and the like

[copper nacelle]

just play enemy rando ez

[delicate ether]

maybe the player keeps the charms they have equiped, their geo, and looses everything else

[solemn rivet]

you could just hook on setupnewplayerdata and add the relevant items

[delicate ether]

everything in the world resets, except maybe you keep pale ores and keys

[solemn rivet]

hook on resetdata and save current items to a file, hook on setupnewplayerdata and re-add them

keys, eww

[delicate ether]

lol

[solemn rivet]

the thing is, there's nothing really worth keeping, is it?

[delicate ether]

indeed thats the thing

exploring and finding items is the fun of the gae

[solemn rivet]

movement/damage upgrades would break the game

same with spells

[delicate ether]

keeping ites reduces the fun of the next playthrough

but i feel like the player should keep something

[solemn rivet]

a nice expansion would be to keep charms (some)

[delicate ether]

maybe their nail upgrade

[solemn rivet]

and add the option to "upgrade" them

[delicate ether]

and 4 new levels get unlocked