#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 63

fair rampart Mar 2, 2018, 1:05 AM

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Sorry, I thought you said that you had the object checking rate just set to 100, not that it could by dynamically adjusted per scene ie large scenes it would be kept 100 or so, but for smaller scenes you would crank it up a bit higher - dynamic throttling

thorn comet Mar 2, 2018, 1:05 AM

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Remastered update should clean up a lot of things, hopefully haha

young walrus Mar 2, 2018, 1:09 AM

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When's it dropping, simo

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wink wink

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 1:10 AM

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Oh, there's not really a point in that. Small scenes are fully randomized before load is done already

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Also, since an update is coming, all optimizations are premature until that happens

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Getting the core logic right is more important with the little time I have

young walrus Mar 2, 2018, 1:11 AM

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I like how Simo ducked out.

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partyPorg

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dabright

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zote

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 1:12 AM

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dableft

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 1:13 AM

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dabright

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 1:13 AM

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We should poke them about getting the modding api in as a base part of the assembly imo

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bretta

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 1:13 AM

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that would be neat

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but also harder to add new hooks

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 1:14 AM

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Eh, more stable though

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 1:24 AM

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I honestly would love if at least some of enemy and hero logic went into code instead of fsm

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would be so much easier to do much better mods

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:14 AM

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does anyone happen to know how the nihilist cipher works with 2 keywords

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looks like I am taking an L on this assignment then

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:18 AM

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oof

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what's the assignment?

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:19 AM

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code a nihilist cipher decrypter and encrypter

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:20 AM

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👀

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:20 AM

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I think wikipedia is actually useful this time

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:20 AM

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https://github.com/SiggyD/Nihilist-Cipher/blob/master/Nihilist-Cipher.py

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found this

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:20 AM

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I dont want the code

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:20 AM

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ik

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:20 AM

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I just want to know how it works

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:21 AM

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wiki for days

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:22 AM

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this doesn't make sense at all

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:22 AM

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wut

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:22 AM

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with my 10 seconds of looking

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ofc

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it probably makes sense

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:22 AM

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the wiki actually makes sense

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so I think I got this now

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I say that, but it probably wont give me an answer that makes sense when I make it decrypt

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:23 AM

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I don't get how to make the Polybius square out of a keyword

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:23 AM

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^

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:23 AM

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you write the keyword

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:23 AM

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also additive keywords

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:23 AM

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without repeating letters

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:23 AM

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I mean, I can see "zebras" there

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but what about the other letters?

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:23 AM

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then continue the alphabet

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without repeating the letters in keyword

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:24 AM

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o

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got it

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seems easy enough

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:24 AM

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additive keywords tho

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:24 AM

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yea, it's weird, the wiki is the only place that seems to teach it

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usually I look at videos

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:25 AM

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I mean, sure

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you gotta have both the keyword and the key to decrypt it

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:25 AM

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📎 5.JPG

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:25 AM

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but you have to make it with two keywords, you said?

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also

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fbi is onto you

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:25 AM

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noot

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you dont actually need the keywords either, from what I remember from my teacher's lecture, you can break it by finding the pattern in the keywords

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or something like that

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I dont remember

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:26 AM

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sure sure

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:26 AM

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I should have taken notes

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:26 AM

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but I don't mean codebreaking

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I mean actual decrypting

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:26 AM

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right

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ok

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bye now

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thanks for the help

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:27 AM

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well, we didn't help but ok

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:27 AM

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elderbug

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:27 AM

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bye

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:29 AM

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tfw still don't get additive keywords

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1 keyword seems simple

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is 2 keywords just one keyword with the words next to each other

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:31 AM

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that's what I am going for

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I'll see if that works

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:31 AM

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very helpful site

📎 DeepinScreenshot_select-area_20180301213140.png

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except not

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:32 AM

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lol

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:32 AM

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tbh this explains it better than the page tho

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https://asecuritysite.com/challenges/ni

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:32 AM

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it's not loading for me

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:32 AM

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rip

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:32 AM

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nvm

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:32 AM

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lol

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:32 AM

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"This example is taken from Wikipedia. First we take our key (ZEBRAS) and create a Polybius square:"

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:33 AM

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then they do something with russian

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and magic

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:33 AM

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this is great

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thanks

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:33 AM

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they find each coordinate for each letter of the plain text

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then find the coordinate for the keyword's letters

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:34 AM

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except one letter is dead

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:34 AM

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and add them up

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yeah

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makes close to 0 sense

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:34 AM

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Fun fact, the nihilists managed to encrypt and decrypt 10-15 words per minute

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using this method

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:35 AM

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well, it's just subtraction

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:35 AM

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and would tap messages to each other

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:35 AM

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what letter do you kill tho

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:35 AM

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if you give me the output numbers and the keywords... It's pretty quick to decrypt

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X

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always X

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:35 AM

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or J

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:35 AM

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14 13 34 14 15 35 34 31 54 12 24 45 43

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is russian

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for dynamite winter palace

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with just the polybius thing

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:36 AM

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wut

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23 55 41 15 35 32 45 12 53 32 41 45 12 14 43 15 34 15 22 12 = Dynamite Winter Palace

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:36 AM

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📎 DeepinScreenshot_select-area_20180301213631.png

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:37 AM

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that doesnt automatically use 2 keywords

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lazy design

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:37 AM

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oh

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:37 AM

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14 13 34 14 15 35 34 31 54 12 24 45 43

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for zebra

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:37 AM

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why are you making the square with RUSSIAN?

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:37 AM

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because I don't get additive keys

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and am guessing

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:38 AM

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make the square with ZEBRAS

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wait

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wait

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waiiiiit

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what keys are additive?

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:38 AM

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zebras + russian

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or something

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:38 AM

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the second key

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:38 AM

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the ones to make the square, or the ones to add

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oh

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:38 AM

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add

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additive

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:38 AM

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yeah, that's what I was thinking

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so it's something like

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make the square with ZEBRAS

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:39 AM

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then turn plaintext to number

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:39 AM

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and use RUSSIANS and AMERICANS to encrypt DYNAMITE WINTER PALACE

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I guess... Just add them all?

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:39 AM

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then turn second key to number

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then add

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yep

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:40 AM

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that's what i was trying

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except it didn't reset output

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so I got the same thing for zebras and russian

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and realized I wrote zebra instead of zebras

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:40 AM

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lol

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:40 AM

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so max value becomes... 165

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still a stupid cipher

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:41 AM

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tfw the polybius square creator thingy doesn't even work

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fml

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:42 AM

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lol

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:43 AM

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fml

📎 DeepinScreenshot_select-area_20180301214257.png

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looked over the example

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which makes sense

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ah

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i'm going to try and make a program to decode this

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inb4 failure

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:45 AM

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that site is shite

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:45 AM

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what

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it's the only one which made any sense at all

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:45 AM

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it's converting it all wrong

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not yours

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this one https://www.dcode.fr/polybius-cipher

Polybius Square Cipher - Decoder, Encoder, Solver, Translator

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:46 AM

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ahahaha

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that's the one I was trying to use

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it only gave me one output

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for 3 different grids

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:46 AM

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yeah

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and the same to me

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:46 AM

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ugh

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:47 AM

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so AMERICANS becomes 15 41 12 14 32 22 15 42 21

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sigh

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:47 AM

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this is slightly

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very painful

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:47 AM

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I wouldn't want to code this

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not hard, just... Painful

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:48 AM

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why is it a grid

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W H Y

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nested arrays time

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:48 AM

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just use a boring old array

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:49 AM

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don't you need column and row?

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:49 AM

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and to get coordinates just use mod 5

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for column

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for row...

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:49 AM

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wtf magic

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:50 AM

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just divide the index by 5 and floor it

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done

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:50 AM

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gradow confirmed magic

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:50 AM

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or ceil it actually

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:51 AM

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how

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did you get that

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like it works

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but how

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oh 5x5 grid

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still magic

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:51 AM

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so array[14] is "grid position" ceil(14/5)=2, 14%5=4, so position (2,4)

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:51 AM

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why does that work

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oh

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wait

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:51 AM

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uh

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I mean...

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:52 AM

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nvm

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:52 AM

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first row goes from 1-5, second from 6-10 and so on

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oh, oka

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nvm then

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:52 AM

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i think i got it

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:52 AM

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just think base 5

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:53 AM

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ohhh

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ok got it

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:53 AM

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14 converted to base 5 is 24... Which is just what we want

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:54 AM

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tfw website excludes J

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:54 AM

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I'm by no means expert in cryptography and such

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but from what I've seen, people tend to exclude X

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and sometimes J

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:55 AM

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I just realized the reason it wasnt working for me was because I was omitting Z and not J

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:55 AM

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oof

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:55 AM

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My teacher never told us which letter he took out in his examples

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actually maybe he did

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:56 AM

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lmao

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:56 AM

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I probably didnt pay attention

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 2:57 AM

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you have like 1/26 chances of getting this right

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good luck

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 2:57 AM

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lol

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nearly done w/ decode

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tfw one off

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on the y

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w/ modulo

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idk why

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just going to add 1 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 3:03 AM

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umm

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 3:03 AM

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did not work

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 3:03 AM

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wouldn't it be simpler to just write a simple base10 to base5 converter

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 3:03 AM

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uhhh
shut

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 3:04 AM

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and then ask it to parse the array indexes?

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 3:04 AM

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yes

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 3:04 AM

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ask it politely tho

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 3:04 AM

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wait no

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that seems like more effort

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tbh

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['51', '12', '13', '21', '11', '32', '12'] 
['43', '12', '42', '43']

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current output

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pre adding

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idk why it starts dying

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 3:05 AM

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oh

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 3:05 AM

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nvm

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badcode

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 3:05 AM

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you have to repeat the lower array

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 3:05 AM

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no I mean the arrays preadding are wrong

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 3:05 AM

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to match the length of the upper

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oh

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 3:05 AM

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it should be

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52 12 13 22 14 33 12

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instead I have

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['51', '12', '13', '21', '11', '32', '12']

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i think ik why tho

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 3:06 AM

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uh...

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 3:06 AM

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t % python NihilistCipher.py ~/python
KEY: hello
['l', 'e', 'o', 'h']

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found it

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set as dedup breaks

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do not use

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fixed it

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 3:10 AM

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data tables in c# are so useful

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 3:29 AM

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yay

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decoder done

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#!/usr/bin/env python

# why am I doing this

from string import ascii_lowercase as alphabet
from math import ceil
from collections import OrderedDict

key = list(OrderedDict.fromkeys(input("KEY: ")))
additive = input("ADD: ")
exclude = input("EXCLUDE: ")
string = input("STIRNG: ")


def convert(key, additive, exclude, string):

    # make key
    for i in filter(lambda x: x not in key and x != exclude, alphabet):
            key.append(i)
  
    def rawConvert(key, string):
        ans = []
        for i in string:
            ans.append(str(ceil(key.index(i) / 5)) + str((key.index(i) % 5) + 1))
        return ans
    
    string = rawConvert(key, string)
    additive = rawConvert(key, additive)
    alen = len(additive)
    
    for i in range(1, len(string)+1):
        if i > alen:
            index = (i % alen) - 1 if (i % alen) != 0 else alen
            additive.append(additive[index])

    string = [int(x) for x in string]
    additive = [int(x) for x in additive]
    print([string[x] + additive[x] for x in range(len(string))])


convert(key, additive, exclude, string)

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it's very bad

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 3:38 AM

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lol

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 3:38 AM

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wait a second

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that was an encoder

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oof

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 3:39 AM

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noot

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 3:39 AM

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decoder seems simple enough

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time to make

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inb4 not simple

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 3:42 AM

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inb4 it takes another 30 minutes

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 3:42 AM

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plsno

hazy sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 3:46 AM

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shouldn't take more than 5 min

ornate rivet Mar 2, 2018, 3:46 AM

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_verupls

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sadgrub

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well I finished it 56 and I think it works (I tested it once), I am going to bed now, have a nice day/night/whatever

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elderbug

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 3:47 AM

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elderbug

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 4:05 AM

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def decode(key, additive, exclude, string):

    # make key
    for i in filter(lambda x: x not in key and x != exclude, alphabet):
            key.append(i)

    def rawConvert(key, string):
        ans = []
        for i in string:
            ans.append(str(ceil(key.index(i) / 5)) + str((key.index(i) % 5) + 1))
        return ans

    additive = rawConvert(key, additive)
    alen = len(additive)
    for i in range(1, len(string)+1):
        if i > alen:
            index = (i % alen) - 1 if (i % alen) != 0 else alen
            additive.append(additive[index])

    ans = ""
    string = [int(x) for x in string]
    additive = [int(x) for x in additive]
    string = [string[i]-additive[i] for i in range(len(string))]
    print(string)
    for i in string:
        i = str(i)
        index = (int(i[0])-1) * 5 + int(i[1])-1
        print(index)
        ans += str(key[index])
    print(ans)

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decoder

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key would be like "hello"
additive would be like "test"
exclude would be like "j"
string would be like "96 24 56 66 58 45 55"

clever badge Mar 2, 2018, 4:23 AM

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@scarlet gale anyone have a link to the bonfire mod download? sorry if stupid question im new to this discord zote

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 4:24 AM

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check pins

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there's a google drive with all the mods

clever badge Mar 2, 2018, 4:24 AM

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ahh my b

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thanks

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hmm any reason why it would keep crashing my game? cant even open hk with the bonfire mod installed, just tells me the game crashed

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have steam version and downloaded mod ver 1.2.1.4

rustic stag Mar 2, 2018, 4:34 AM

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Wouldn't that be outdated? Don't you want the API version?

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 4:34 AM

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^

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you should get the API

clever badge Mar 2, 2018, 4:34 AM

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whoops

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 4:35 AM

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and the latest version

rustic stag Mar 2, 2018, 4:35 AM

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Speaking of broken, though. I think something is wrong.
He just keeps staring at me.

📎 unknown.png

clever badge Mar 2, 2018, 4:35 AM

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thank you my friends much appreciated

rustic stag Mar 2, 2018, 4:59 AM

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Quick question. I know images can be built into .dll files, but does the Modding API support replacing vanilla assets?

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Or I guess 'overriding' would be the more accurate term.

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 5:44 AM

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figured out why mantis traitor lord and nosk weren't spawning

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so..... play this one at your own risk

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📎 SuperAlphaEnemyRandomizer_v10.zip

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more updates to come tomorrow (i hope)

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Also randomly had a mage knight jump me in crossroads

fair rampart Mar 2, 2018, 6:57 AM

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Spawns tied to some other logic? Or were they too big and clipped out?

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 12:16 PM

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you can use a mod installer to install any mod for you - either mine or kerr's @clever badge

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eh

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guess he's not in here anymore

thorn comet Mar 2, 2018, 12:18 PM

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@clever badge

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 12:19 PM

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wth

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he doesn't even show up in auto-complete

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and when I right-click mention him, he doesn't get tagged

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oh well, thanks simo

thorn comet Mar 2, 2018, 12:20 PM

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Haha thats weird, no worries. Im on mobile and I just tapped on his name

rain cedar Mar 2, 2018, 12:22 PM

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Showing up in auto complete for me

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 12:22 PM

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shows up for me in mobile too

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weird

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updating my client

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okay, working now

clever badge Mar 2, 2018, 3:02 PM

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@solemn rivet gracias muchacho, got it all set up though thanks!

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 5:38 PM

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I should randomize in grey prince zote, and scale him down so he looks like normal zote

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 6:51 PM

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do it the other way around

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make mighty zote deal GPZ+10 damage

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since it seems that mighty zote likes to appear EVERYWHERE

fresh furnace Mar 2, 2018, 6:52 PM

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make zote really small and not that strong, but you have to fight 10 at once

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 7:01 PM

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what would you rather fight - 10 small-sized GPZ or 1 giant-size Mighty Zote

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Maybe if I could make the tiny gpz's able to be knocked back like normal zote

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 7:41 PM

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@pearl sentinel is it possible to randomize dream warriors?

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 7:41 PM

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You mean the ghosts?

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 7:41 PM

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yeah

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 7:42 PM

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Can't see why not

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 7:42 PM

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like can they be randomized in place of normal enemies

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 7:42 PM

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Oh

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Unlikely

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I mean, with some work put in I could probably make that happen

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But it would take a lot of effort, and for what gain?

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 7:43 PM

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yeah good point

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i just thought it would be interesting to have more actual bosses in

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 7:44 PM

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Like, say it took me 2 weeks to get that working. I could spend those 2 weeks making better logic for this mod or even on a new mod

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 7:44 PM

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yeah that makes sense

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 7:46 PM

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Current version should have a few more bosses tho

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Woah

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Which bosses

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 7:53 PM

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Nosk and traitor lord for two

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Can't remember if I added others

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Also, I temporarily removed the "big" enemy category

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So they're all just small or med

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Meaning way more randomization combinations are possible

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 7:56 PM

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That sounds fun

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I'll try that out once I'm home

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 7:57 PM

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Since scaling mawlek turrets worked so well, I think I may end up removing all restrictions on enemy replacements and instead scale the replaced enemy to be the size of the original

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 7:57 PM

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That would be great

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So giant crawlids?

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 7:58 PM

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Could happen

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 7:58 PM

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Neat

pearl sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 7:58 PM

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Also tiny kingsmoulds

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 7:59 PM

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Tiny god tamer when

lusty lantern Mar 2, 2018, 8:03 PM

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now kind of wants a platforming section based around bouncing off of kingsmoulds for a long time through small areas

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 9:13 PM

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I was bored and decided to make the nihilist cipher from last night

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yay, I'm productive

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 9:29 PM

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nice

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 9:38 PM

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it was a good excuse to finally learn some python

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 9:44 PM

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hollowknice

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Python is pretty great imo

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 9:48 PM

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I'm still getting used to it

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 10:15 PM

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📎 image.png

solemn rivet Mar 2, 2018, 10:27 PM

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dank

buoyant obsidian Mar 2, 2018, 10:35 PM

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why is #archived-modding-development suddenly college programming homework

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and who knows C and wants to do my C homework

rain cedar Mar 2, 2018, 10:36 PM

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Know C ✅
Want to do your homework ❌

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 11:39 PM

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lmao

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@buoyant obsidian because modding is where all the programmers are

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idk about the college thing tho

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 11:54 PM

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@copper nacelle is the latest hell mod on the drive

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 11:54 PM

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uh

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iirc yes

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 11:55 PM

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neat

copper nacelle Mar 2, 2018, 11:55 PM

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check the readme for zote if you want to make sure

vagrant leaf Mar 2, 2018, 11:58 PM

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re

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can't open readme

copper nacelle Mar 3, 2018, 1:50 AM

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rip

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you can just open it in notepad

fair rampart Mar 3, 2018, 3:50 AM

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Is there a way to selectively take damage from enemies/hazards? Ie make spikes and thorns an instant kill but only double damage from all other enemies? Seen the HazardType enumeration, but thorns seem to be included as NON_HAZARD...

rain cedar Mar 3, 2018, 3:53 AM

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You could add a hook into the hazard respawn method and kill the player

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Then just double all damage taken

fair rampart Mar 3, 2018, 3:56 AM

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Ah, didn't consider looking for a hazard respawn hook, sounds perfect, cheers

rain cedar Mar 3, 2018, 4:00 AM

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There isn't a hook currently, but the function is GameManager.HazardRespawn

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You can add the hook yourself and submit a pull request for it

charred parrot Mar 3, 2018, 5:30 AM

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could someone just quicly throw me the script that controls the Knights basic movement?

copper nacelle Mar 3, 2018, 5:31 AM

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script?

charred parrot Mar 3, 2018, 5:31 AM

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ya like the code behind it

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assuming it's controlled by code and not fsm

copper nacelle Mar 3, 2018, 5:32 AM

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dnspy imo

versed anvil Mar 3, 2018, 5:32 AM

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2/1/2018 5:11 PM

copper nacelle Mar 3, 2018, 5:32 AM

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what

versed anvil Mar 3, 2018, 5:33 AM

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who was it that asked me to remember that date?

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probably should have written that down too

copper nacelle Mar 3, 2018, 5:34 AM

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might have been me

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I remember asking someone to remember a date

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because I was using it to get all of Jonny's typos

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I don't think it was that date tho

vagrant leaf Mar 3, 2018, 5:35 AM

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veru already has those

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zote

copper nacelle Mar 3, 2018, 5:35 AM

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ik

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I was grabbing them from chat using 56 but bot for !jonnypls

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before bot got muted

vagrant leaf Mar 3, 2018, 5:36 AM

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oh

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petition to mute 56 but unmute bot

copper nacelle Mar 3, 2018, 5:36 AM

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:/

fair rampart Mar 3, 2018, 9:32 AM

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Is it possible to change how much damage the soul attacks do? I see references to their levels, but these don't seem to be used to calculate the damage dealt?

copper nacelle Mar 3, 2018, 9:32 AM

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iirc there's a hook for it

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also iirc, bonfire uses it

solemn rivet Mar 3, 2018, 1:37 PM

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It's all fsm

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Like 56 said, check BonfireMod

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GetEventSenderHook(GameObject, Fsm)

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It basically tells you who (go) is attacking who (fsm)

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So you check is the fsm has an "enemy_health" var and if it does, you set the damage of the go to be whatever you want it to be

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In the case of spells, Wyza put a switch-case to determine if the go actually is a spell

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In blackmoth, for instance, I simply check it against the sharpShadow object I have already fetched

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On mobile, so can't send you code

fair rampart Mar 3, 2018, 2:32 PM

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@solemn rivet
All good - checked the bonfire code and got some stuff working, trying to mess around with Nail damage atm, I know once the PlayerData.NailDamage gets modified you need to call the FsmGlobalBroadcast (or whatever that stupid thing is called) but it didn't seem to correctly update the nail damage ie stuff that should easily be dying in one hit still took a few, etc.

solemn rivet Mar 3, 2018, 2:43 PM

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how often are you updating it? Also, use the console to output the damage you're dealing

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you can set nail damage via that same hook I said above btw

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dunno if you need to call FsmBroadcastEvent("NAIL DAMAGE UPDATED") in that case

zinc turret Mar 3, 2018, 3:19 PM

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Would a level editor mod be possible in hollow knight

solemn rivet Mar 3, 2018, 3:19 PM

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limited, but possible

zinc turret Mar 3, 2018, 3:19 PM

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Awesome

obtuse sequoia Mar 3, 2018, 3:19 PM

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is adding scenes at all possible?

solemn rivet Mar 3, 2018, 3:20 PM

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iirc you cannot import objects from other scenes

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I might be wrong/outdated tho

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@obtuse sequoia I'm not entirely sure.

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I think so - look at kcghost's cut content mod

obtuse sequoia Mar 3, 2018, 3:22 PM

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I mean how did Team Cherry make the rooms?
did they have a specific hk editor, or just used unity
(I don't actually really know what unity is)

solemn rivet Mar 3, 2018, 3:22 PM

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uhhh

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I think they did it all in unity?

obtuse sequoia Mar 3, 2018, 3:24 PM

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so if we were to make more rooms in unity
and just.. shove them in somehow?

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this is probably a huge oversimplification

pearl sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 3:52 PM

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You could, you would need to add any hk specific components through script manually after import is all

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That's actually something I intended to add for part of my mod, which is why it imports stuff from a unity scene in the first place.

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My "enable enemy randomizer" button comes from an asset bundle built in unity and imported by my mod

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While unnecessary to do it that way, it laid the foundation for me to build.... whatever I want into the asset bundle in unity and add it to the game. So I could make whole levels if I wanted or even fully animated characters (assuming I had the graphics in the unity project)

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So if I wanna add my own custom bosses or enemies or w/e it'll actually be super easy smallestviolin

obtuse sequoia Mar 3, 2018, 4:05 PM

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woah

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that sounds promising

pearl sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 4:07 PM

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Probably post update, I hope to add some custom content eventually

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Maybe I can recruit my artist friend and we can try to recreate the bone forest zone that was cut or something, since he likes to do environment art @thorn crescent happygrub

fair rampart Mar 3, 2018, 4:19 PM

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Am i the only one who is having a lot to trouble to extracting the sound effects?
When i tried to extract some sounds it keeps sending me white sound thinkgrub

solemn rivet Mar 3, 2018, 4:20 PM

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what are you using?

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try Unity Studio

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I extracted some sound effects some time ago for someone on this channel

fair rampart Mar 3, 2018, 4:25 PM

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i'm trying to extract all of the radiance sounds library and idk if i am doing something wrong.
And yes, im using unity studio to extract the fsb

📎 unknown.png

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After extracting the fsb i use audacity to try to cut it but

📎 unknown.png

solemn rivet Mar 3, 2018, 4:26 PM

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Can you play it using the play button on the right hand side on Unity Studio? To check if it's blank before exportation

fair rampart Mar 3, 2018, 4:29 PM

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It stops itself

📎 unknown.png

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every sound file stops itself sadgrub

solemn rivet Mar 3, 2018, 4:35 PM

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let me try it real quick

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do you when which resource.asset file has it?

fair rampart Mar 3, 2018, 4:36 PM

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Anything than else, what unity studio do you use?

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📎 unknown.png

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i downloaded this

solemn rivet Mar 3, 2018, 4:37 PM

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this one: https://github.com/Perfare/UnityStudio/releases

GitHub

Perfare/UnityStudio

UnityStudio - Unity Studio is a tool for exploring, extracting and exporting assets from Unity games and apps.

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it's on pins

fair rampart Mar 3, 2018, 4:37 PM

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let me try it

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Thank you, it was the version of unity studio smallestviolin

solemn rivet Mar 3, 2018, 4:46 PM

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np!

pearl sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 5:06 PM

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For anyone with lots of unity questions: https://discord.gg/gvdA9XR

copper nacelle Mar 3, 2018, 11:16 PM

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out log

📎 toobig.zip

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mod log

📎 alsotoobig.zip

fair rampart Mar 4, 2018, 12:58 AM

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@solemn rivet
For the FSM, is there a handy dump of all the strings to objects? Trying to guess TC's naming convention is impossible.

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 3:49 AM

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Ehhh I think Kerr has one

bright mist Mar 4, 2018, 3:52 AM

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can I get a link to the bonfire mod?

hazy sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 3:53 AM

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pinned drive

hollow pier Mar 4, 2018, 3:53 AM

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its almost like all the mods are pinned

bright mist Mar 4, 2018, 3:53 AM

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oof sorry

hazy sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 3:53 AM

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not all the mods

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hollowface

hollow pier Mar 4, 2018, 3:54 AM

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right conrad isnt

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 3:57 AM

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You can use the installers too

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They auto install mods

hollow pier Mar 4, 2018, 3:57 AM

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plugging mod installer hollowwoke

hazy sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 3:59 AM

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i don't trust installers

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could be viruses

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 4:00 AM

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Ehh

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Not this discussion again

rain cedar Mar 4, 2018, 4:49 AM

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It's fine to be wary of unknown software

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Being scared of the installers but not the mods is fucking stupid

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 4:52 AM

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You heard what Sean said - don't trust the mods, specially Jonny

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You can trust Dargons tho

thorn comet Mar 4, 2018, 4:53 AM

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But uh, Admins are fine yeah? hollowface

vagrant leaf Mar 4, 2018, 4:53 AM

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they have the mod role

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ofc not

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 4:53 AM

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^

terse nova Mar 4, 2018, 5:47 AM

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how do you download the boss rush mod???

royal ridge Mar 4, 2018, 5:48 AM

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The pinned messages!
The google drive has all the mods
and the youtube video shows you how to install them

terse nova Mar 4, 2018, 5:48 AM

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thanks!

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 7:35 AM

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So it looks like to fix the soft locks, I just need to tell the battle control FSMS that the waves or battles are over

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 9:29 AM

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It's an event?

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 12:32 PM

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I might just do that to fix FK not working on blackmoth

fair rampart Mar 4, 2018, 1:37 PM

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Is it possible to have the player respawn the same way from spikes/acid/etc from damage caused by ANY enemy? Ie all damage causes the character to respawn but not die and go back to a bench.

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 1:55 PM

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yeah

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just call hazard respawn on damage

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        public override void Initialize()
        {
            Log("Initializing");
            ModHooks.Instance.TakeHealthHook += OnDamage;

        }

        private int OnDamage(int damage)
        {
            HeroController.instance.HazardRespawn();
            GameManager.instance.HazardRespawn();
            return damage;
        }

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like this

📎 ShittyExample.dll

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except you probably would want to do something about the knockback because rn it respawns you then knocks you back

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_tSVBjcexA

YouTube

fiftysix

hazard respawn

▶ Play video

fair rampart Mar 4, 2018, 2:58 PM

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@copper nacelle
Derp, for some reason I thought I needed to set a flag and call something obscure, didn't consider to literally call those funcs, thanks

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 2:59 PM

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lol

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yw

warped hollow Mar 4, 2018, 4:03 PM

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what does the unending dreams mod do?

hollow pier Mar 4, 2018, 4:03 PM

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makes your dreams not end

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 4:05 PM

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dream bosses and warriors respawn

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 5:17 PM

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@pearl sentinel what's that fsm? I might try messing with it

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 5:20 PM

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from my debug log:

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[INFO]:[EnemyRandomizer] - --Component: PlayMakerFSM
[INFO]:[EnemyRandomizer] - --PFSM Name: Battle Control
[INFO]:[EnemyRandomizer] - --PFSM FsmDescription:
[INFO]:[EnemyRandomizer] - --PFSM StateNames
[INFO]:[EnemyRandomizer] - ----PFSM StateName: Detect
[INFO]:[EnemyRandomizer] - ----PFSM StateName: Init
[INFO]:[EnemyRandomizer] - ----PFSM StateName: Wave 1
[INFO]:[EnemyRandomizer] - ----PFSM StateName: End Wait
[INFO]:[EnemyRandomizer] - ----PFSM StateName: End
[INFO]:[EnemyRandomizer] - ----PFSM StateName: Pause
[INFO]:[EnemyRandomizer] - ----PFSM StateName: Activate
[INFO]:[EnemyRandomizer] - ----PFSM StateName: Wave Pause
[INFO]:[EnemyRandomizer] - ----PFSM StateName: Wave 2

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looks like battle control might be in fallen knight too

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 5:28 PM

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do you have the json for that fsm?

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if not, that's fine

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 5:40 PM

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i don't

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hence why i'm doing some debug printing like this

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the game object with the FSM also has a PersistentBoolItem component that needs to be set

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when it completes, i assume

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 5:41 PM

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hm...

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what does PFSM stand for? Playmaker FSM?

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 5:42 PM

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yeah

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i have a script that prints all game objects in a scene, including their components

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and for the PFSM component i print out additional details

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 5:43 PM

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@solemn rivet

📎 battles.zip

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battle fsms

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because idk which one it is

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 5:43 PM

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I looked through some fsm's I have here, but couldn't find any fsms with that tag

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oh

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thanks 56!

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 5:43 PM

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oh nice

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that'll save some time

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ty

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 5:44 PM

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yw

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 5:54 PM

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also, found this:

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https://github.com/danhigham/FESUnityDemo/tree/master/Assets/PlayMaker/Actions

GitHub

danhigham/FESUnityDemo

Contribute to FESUnityDemo development by creating an account on GitHub.

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seems like every PlayMaker action decompiled

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which is nice, since it helps us make sense of what each state does

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SendEventByName(0,BG OPEN,,FALSE) seems to mean 0 seconds delay, send event "BG OPEN", the empty string is probably the base game object, and to not do this every frame

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so you can probably just look for "Battle Control" fsm in a game object and set its state to "End" manually whenever you want to

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 6:36 PM

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okay, made a version of blackmoth that checks if current scene has a Battle Control fsm and, if it does, creates a list of every enemy in the scene. Then, as soon as every enemy has 0 HP the Battle Control fsm gets set to state "End"

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sadly cannot test this rn

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:38 PM

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funny, i was gonna do that, but some scenes don't have every enemy in the battle area, so i'm gonna probably make a Bounds object for the specific scenes with the battle controls that's positioned around the battle room and use that

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 6:39 PM

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For me, I'm only trying to fix FK

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:39 PM

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yea

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well

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 6:39 PM

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So it would be best to actually get its object and test its hp only

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:39 PM

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do the 2 maggots exist up above?

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 6:40 PM

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But I might try this as a proof of concept

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:40 PM

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that could throw it off

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Yeah

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It would be better if I could find FK's fsm and change it directly tbh

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:41 PM

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prob could

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i think it's

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uh

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(hold on i grepped for this last night)

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:42 PM

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lol

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:42 PM

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https://puu.sh/zAwil/7936d1fe9e.png

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it's the "Head" object

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:42 PM

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not using rgrep or ag

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ban

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:43 PM

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i'm a linux novice, at least i have cygwin on my windows environment now to use its neat features

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had to use it for work for a few years

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Falsey_Control

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:43 PM

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then we moved to windows

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Best fsm name

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:43 PM

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don't miss it

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yo i'd never tried dnspy until yesterday

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that shit is awsome

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i may have spent the day digging through the source of other games

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<_<

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:44 PM

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how did you write enemy rando w/out dnspy wtf

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:44 PM

#

?

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i used the modding api

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:44 PM

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doing anything w/out being able to check dnspy

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is pain

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:44 PM

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if i had to compare writing a hollow knight mod

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the difficulty is like a 4/10 compared to what i deal with at work

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:45 PM

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lol

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:45 PM

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so

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let me tell you about the worst decision ever made

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that i've come across

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in programming

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 6:46 PM

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I mean, without dnspy it's a pain to know where each hook hooks onto, what are the parameters and stuff

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:46 PM

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vs has the auto method thing

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:46 PM

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without dnspy? i just use peek definition and such

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examine types

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etc

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just read the code

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Peek definition is useless for me

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I never know what the hook actually hooks onto

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:47 PM

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peek definition of hook

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:48 PM

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i mean, i figure the hook names were pretty self explanitory

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:48 PM

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peek definition of stuff inside peek definition

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:48 PM

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but a couple times i just opened the source of the modding api on github and looked

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 6:48 PM

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I know, but, BlueHealthHook, for instance, actually returns the base blue health for the hero

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And iirc the description only states that it's called at the beginning of the BlueHeath method

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:50 PM

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yeah, i getcha. still less fucked by far than what i deal with on a daily basis, so idk.

solemn rivet Mar 4, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Heheh

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:50 PM

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lmao

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:50 PM

#

but like, lemee tell you about this

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so, over-engineer tragedy at its finest here

#

first, all our games (all) are client/server

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server and client are separate processes

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server is c++

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client is c#

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99% of the time they run on the same machine

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both have "state machines"

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:51 PM

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why are they in different languages

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tf

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:52 PM

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the way a state machine works, you have a class that does something like this in the state machines' Init function

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smParams.AddState("StateName");

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:52 PM

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FSMState irl

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:53 PM

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smParams.AddTransition("StateName",Event,Callback);

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how heres where it gets super fucky

#

so say you want "OpenDoorEvent" to trigger a transition to the PauseGame event

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you need to add a transition for that for each state

#

that should handle that

#

so we got these really code-bloated state machines on both the server and the client

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and they send messages back and forth to eachother

#

so say you want to add some code or a state to the server side or client side

#

well, if the server side state machine sends out a message (or you do by hand), and the client isn't in a state that can handle the message, it'll just get queued up and ignored

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if the server sends a message with the "client must respond" and you send not-the-expected message back next, assert, crash both programs

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on average, the server part of a game has 5 - 7 state machines running

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and a client has 10-15

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and there is no (provided) way to send messages between parts of the game without using the state machines

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:58 PM

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why

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:58 PM

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it's basically like HK's FSMS, but they're used as an event/message system

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AND the client/server ones are setup to be mirrored/intertwined

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:59 PM

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hk fsms have a broadcast thing too

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iirc

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:59 PM

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broadcast here can cause duplicated events

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(in ours)

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if you're not careful

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:59 PM

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oof

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 6:59 PM

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basically, i've been in the process of refactoring to remove these things from my games a little bit at a time

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 6:59 PM

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hk has these:

HeroController.instance.proxyFSM.SendEvent("HeroCtrl-Healed");
PlayMakerFSM.BroadcastEvent("UPDATE BLUE HEALTH");

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 7:00 PM

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yep, and if the server was in a state that didn't handle that, or was expecting a different event, crash

#

oh yeah, the server crashes if the client goes down.... which totally defeats one of the major potential benifits of even having a client server architecture

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also, because "internet is slow", the client/server communicate through a custom IPC (interprocess communication) kernel that our OS team writes

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 7:01 PM

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what the fuck

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 7:02 PM

#

but, data is first converted using something like ice or protobufs to the format you would normally expect for a TCP communication

#

and this is like... the tip of the iceberg

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if you think things are bad here, they could be so much worse

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oh, one other cool thing

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we had a guy in the audio part of our OS team that thought it would be a great idea to turn XML into a scripting language

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he literally wrote a full set of compilation rules and a tool to compile them and then made that the only way game devs could play sounds

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you had to learn his "SPL" language and write scripts in it

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he did this because he complained that playing audio through unity/windows had a lot of "latency"

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 7:14 PM

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thefuck

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 7:17 PM

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since he was the only one who knew how the thing worked, i warned it was gonna be a horrible ending when he left/quit/got hit by a bus

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he quit like a month ago

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 7:17 PM

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oof

pearl sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 9:01 PM

#

so, good news for battle scenes is, they come with a collider on them that's the area of the battle scene

#

was able to make a script that keeps track of rando enemies in a battle scene area and tell the FSM to move to the next state if the player is inside it with no enemies

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bad news is, it opens the doors a bit early

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but... i think i'll take it

#

also figured out why the micro crystal guardian is broke, he needs a target specified and it's throwing a null ref, so i think if i fill that in for him he'll happily laser you

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 9:10 PM

#

anyone here who knows how to mod hollow knight on mac with steam succesfully ??

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 9:11 PM

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mod as in make mods

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or mod as in install mods

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 9:12 PM

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install mods

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like the mods that were already created by awesome people

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 9:12 PM

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partyPorg use the MOD installer

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 9:13 PM

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does the mod installer work on mac

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 9:13 PM

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oh mayb not

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 9:13 PM

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@cunning basalt do the thing mystery said in the pins

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except w/ mac paths

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mac paths are what wyza posted 2 pins under

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 9:14 PM

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yea i tried it mutliple times

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 9:14 PM

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there's mac API mods

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or a mac API

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 9:14 PM

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everytime i follow th steps with the API thing

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hollow knight just

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dies

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 9:14 PM

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you got the mac api?

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 9:14 PM

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you need the correct API

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 9:14 PM

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yea

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 9:14 PM

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or else it will crash

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 9:14 PM

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im sure of it

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 9:14 PM

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"i'm sure of it"

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 9:14 PM

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hk up to date?

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 9:14 PM

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isn't sure of it

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 9:14 PM

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for sure my dude

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 9:15 PM

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what version

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1.2.2.2 beta perchance?

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 9:15 PM

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lemme check real quick

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 9:15 PM

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cuz that version will not work

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 9:16 PM

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wait no not 1.2.2.2

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1.2.2.1

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are there any tutorials online that i dont know of ?

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because i cant find any

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for mac

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 9:18 PM

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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1E9GFZEWJwYg_Uk7euXXZf91Cv7qOxyEn

Google Docs

[1.2.2.1] Modding API [Mac OS].zip

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you need to place this in the same folder that the actual one is

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then you need to merge them

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select both then merge

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 9:19 PM

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wait what i dont understand this "you need to place this in the same folder that the actual one is"

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 9:19 PM

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the resources folder

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within the .zip

copper nacelle Mar 4, 2018, 9:19 PM

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you replace the stuff

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 9:20 PM

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or you could go all the way, in the zip folder, to the "assembly csharp" file

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and in the same file structure, aka.... managed folder, replace the file of the same name that's there

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 9:22 PM

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wait i did a big oops by replacing instead of merging one sec lemme go back

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reacquiring or something rn

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did it but

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how tf do i merge them

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help

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 9:32 PM

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select both and right click i think

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i dunno, macs are weird

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lol

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 9:32 PM

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tried that but it says duplicate comrpess or replace

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and i dont want any of those

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compress*

willow path Mar 4, 2018, 9:36 PM

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can I get a download link for the enemy randomizer mod?

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 9:56 PM

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if i put in the assembly csharp do i need to keep them both or replace the new mod one with the one that was already in place ?

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 9:59 PM

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you have to replace

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otherwise they compete

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you don't want that

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 10:09 PM

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how do i know what mods are and arent compatible with mac

young walrus Mar 4, 2018, 10:09 PM

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all API mods are

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anything else is likely not

golden vine Mar 4, 2018, 10:24 PM

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I have no clue what the solution is

📎 unknown.png

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Please help

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nvm i fixed it

cunning basalt Mar 4, 2018, 11:14 PM

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Yo @young walrus thanks fr man i can play some mods now

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im loving it yehes

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im so happy rn thanks guys

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have a great day/night

thorn comet Mar 4, 2018, 11:18 PM

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mylajoy

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 1:03 AM

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I have good and bad news

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(for me?)

exotic venture Mar 5, 2018, 1:06 AM

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well first what's the bad news?

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 1:07 AM

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I haven't managed to fix that old vanilla bug of dashing not doing damage

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sadgrub

exotic venture Mar 5, 2018, 1:07 AM

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that's perfectly fine i guess? who knows, maybe remaster will be able to work around that

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and the good news?

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 1:08 AM

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well, since the new False Knight bug was introduced while trying to fix that vanilla bug...

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yay, false knight is not bugged anymore!

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falseknice

exotic venture Mar 5, 2018, 1:09 AM

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yaaay

hazy sentinel Mar 5, 2018, 1:09 AM

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yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 1:10 AM

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cryla

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 1:23 AM

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kind of a dumb question but how do you turn the debug menu back on

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 1:23 AM

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f1

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 1:23 AM

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thanks

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 1:49 AM

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i'm a few minutes into enemy randomizer but all the enemies have stayed the same as base game

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it does say name and version in the corner though

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 1:49 AM

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did you press the "enable" button on the main menu?

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top right

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 1:50 AM

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oh i didn't notice that

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👍

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 1:50 AM

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it'll freeze the game

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just fyi

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should take a few minutes in 1fps

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 2:45 AM

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not gonnda lie i can't find the button

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lowkey

pearl sentinel Mar 5, 2018, 2:47 AM

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https://puu.sh/zAOgQ/60c0e862ff.png

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that button in the top right

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 2:49 AM

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i don't have it

📎 unknown.png

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 2:49 AM

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then you didn't install it completely

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there should be an extensionless file with the mod

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it should be in the Mods folder as well

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 2:51 AM

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mainui or the .pdb or both

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 2:51 AM

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mainui

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 2:53 AM

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ok got it

vagrant leaf Mar 5, 2018, 2:55 AM

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sometimes king's pass doesn't rando

pearl sentinel Mar 5, 2018, 2:57 AM

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first time you load a new game into king's pass it doesn't rando for some reason

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 3:02 AM

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second wave of crossroads aspid arena isnt loading in

vagrant leaf Mar 5, 2018, 3:02 AM

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yeah

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that's a softlock

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use debug mod noclip

pearl sentinel Mar 5, 2018, 3:03 AM

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yep, known bug. fixed in the next version though!

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which should be out... soon!

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 3:08 AM

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what actually are these lol

📎 unknown.png

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 3:08 AM

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hp bars

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 3:09 AM

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no the enemy

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 3:09 AM

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crawlid?

hazy sentinel Mar 5, 2018, 3:09 AM

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looks like a belfly idk

vagrant leaf Mar 5, 2018, 3:09 AM

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^

hazy sentinel Mar 5, 2018, 3:09 AM

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5 hp seems pretty belfly-ish

vagrant leaf Mar 5, 2018, 3:09 AM

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a belfly in the ground probably

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 3:10 AM

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hmm they don't explode

hazy sentinel Mar 5, 2018, 3:10 AM

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oof

vagrant leaf Mar 5, 2018, 3:10 AM

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thinkgrub

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 3:10 AM

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now that you mention it, it's absolutely an idle belfly

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 3:21 AM

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husk sentry just jumped backwards out of existence

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 3:27 AM

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nice

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Rollback version of blackmoth with a few optimizations. FK works again

📎 Blackmoth.dll

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 12:33 PM

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Has anyone managed to hook a debugger to HK?

exotic venture Mar 5, 2018, 12:36 PM

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debug mod through API- check pins!

fair rampart Mar 5, 2018, 1:21 PM

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@exotic venture
I've looked at the debug mod - I meant hooking a debugger up the exe to step through code and see a stack trace, etc.

exotic venture Mar 5, 2018, 1:21 PM

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uhhhh i don't think so??

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 1:25 PM

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take a look at bossrush's debug in the modlog.txt file

leaden hedge Mar 5, 2018, 1:33 PM

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you can dump stack traces via reflection

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stepping through code is a lot harder

pearl sentinel Mar 5, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Yeah. It's why I have so many elaborate print helper things

pearl sentinel Mar 5, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Next enemy rando version delayed due to life stuff. But after sleeping on it, I think I'm going to have all battle gates disabled until the dlc comes out, since I don't want to spend time developing a fix involving fsms that might not exist soon.

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That'll mean no soft locks, but also stuff like no getting sealed in gruz mother rooms during the boss

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Colloseum will probably just have to wait until post patch to see how it functions

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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I'm having trouble making mods work that just include .ddl files and not hollow_knight_data

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such as hpbar and enemy randomizer

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any reason why this might be happening?

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Do you have the API installed?

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Are you putting them in the right place?

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:05 PM

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yes

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I put the .dll and other files in the mod folder

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API is installed

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mods that only need you to replace the data folder work

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I feel like the only thing I can be doing wrong is putting them in the wrong place

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:08 PM

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maybe

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try using one of the installers

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see if that fixes it for you

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:08 PM

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installers?

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:08 PM

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me and Kerr developed one installer each

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they are in the pins

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mine is simpler, and best for mod management

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his is more robust and better for installing and backing up stuffs

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:09 PM

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for example this is what my mod folder looks like after installing debug and enemy randomizer

📎 unknown.png

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debug works, randomizer doesn't

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:10 PM

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it should work fine

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:10 PM

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have you turned it on?

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top right of screen

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:10 PM

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oh

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:10 PM

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...

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:10 PM

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I heard people talk about enabling it through options

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I thought they just meant the actual ingame options in which there was an added section

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lol

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thanks

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:11 PM

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heh

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glad that's solved

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:11 PM

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lol

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best kind of issue

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"why car no go?"
hasn't turned the car on

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noot

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it happens

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at least it works now

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hollowknice

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:12 PM

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is it ingame or menu?

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solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:12 PM

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from what I've seen in r/talesfromtechsupport, that happens more often than not

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:12 PM

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I can't see it

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this is one elusive menu

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:13 PM

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are you sure you have API installed?

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:13 PM

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your API should be showing top left

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and it's not

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:13 PM

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guys help the bosh rush mod tells me there is a new version available i downloaded the latest one in the drive

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:13 PM

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the installed mods should be showing top left

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:13 PM

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don't listen to that skrax

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:13 PM

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API is installed

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:13 PM

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it's broken right now

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:13 PM

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I cropped it out

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because it's faster with snipping tool

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:13 PM

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eh

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:13 PM

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but i have a different version from the vids i see on youtube and stuff

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:14 PM

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I would say "put mainui in the Mods folder", but I've already seen it's already there...

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:14 PM

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hmm

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:14 PM

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i have one that after every boss i choose from 3 upgrades

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:14 PM

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you probably saw the super old boss rush

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:14 PM

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and then 1 of 9 bosses

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:14 PM

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oh

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:14 PM

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yours is the latest one, skrax

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:14 PM

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what drive version did you get?

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:14 PM

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1.2.2.1

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:14 PM

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yeah, the one on youtube was DMCA'd

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by owner

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not available anymore

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:14 PM

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the one you saw was an old one that was removed because the mod maker dmca'd

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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but that one seemed more stable n stuff

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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not at all

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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because mine is so buggy

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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how

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"so buggy?"

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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when i killed the collecter

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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you're probably experiencing a lot of vanilla bugs

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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that's vanilla

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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yeah

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that's vanilla

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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i couldnt continue

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oh

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huh

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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nothing to do with the mod

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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my bad then

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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don't use the summons

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Boss Rush is buggy anyway, at least visually sometimes

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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or dream shield

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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but how i get rid of this ?

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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if you kill it with any "secondary" damage, then it's a softlock

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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^

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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oh damn

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thats what happened

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because i killed it with dreamshield

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damn

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:16 PM

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yeah, don't use those. and you're fine

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:16 PM

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are spells considered secondary damage ?

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:16 PM

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that'll probably get fixed in the next patch tho

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nope

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:16 PM

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no

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:16 PM

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just use nail and spells

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should be fine

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:16 PM

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also i cant really save the game ?

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:16 PM

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also is there any way of enabling mods when you're not ingame?

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:17 PM

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everytime i have to start from scratch with the boss rush

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:17 PM

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yeah, but you couldn't in the other one too, so

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what do you mean, Rob?

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:17 PM

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I can't find the option to turn on the mod ingame

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so maybe there'd be a way to do it out of game

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:17 PM

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pause/options/mods

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not all mods have that option tho

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only mods that start with B do, curiously enough

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I lie

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enemy rando also has that option now

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:18 PM

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boss rush wrecks save files

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so that option is disabled

leaden hedge Mar 5, 2018, 7:18 PM

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boss rush should only be 30 minutes long

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:19 PM

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^

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that too

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:19 PM

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@cunning basalt the boss rush is really quick, so there's no real need to save

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^

leaden hedge Mar 5, 2018, 7:19 PM

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and I didn't feel like implementing savedata for it

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:19 PM

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This is all I see when I do options

📎 unknown.png

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:19 PM

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which version of the API do you have?

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:19 PM

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1.2.21

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I think

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:19 PM

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-?

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:20 PM

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no, I mean, the API has its own versions

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:20 PM

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top left

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when you pause

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1.2.2.1-?

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what's the ?

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:20 PM

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most recent is -37, but the latest one on the gdrive is -34 iirc

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:20 PM

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won't show up in screenshots but

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:20 PM

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-34 should have the Mods menu

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:20 PM

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1.2.2.1-23

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:20 PM

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holy

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:20 PM

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old

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:20 PM

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update that

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:20 PM

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very very old

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:21 PM

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that's why enemy rando isn't working

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:21 PM

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probably why enemy rando doesn't work

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^

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:21 PM

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that seems to be the latest one on google docs

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hmm

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:21 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/407278644663287808/ModdingAPI.zip latest ver I could find

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:21 PM

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can I get a link

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thanks

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:22 PM

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when in doubt, search for from: [LW] Wyza#1337 has:file

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:22 PM

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Someone should probably update the google doc though

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:22 PM

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I thought it was up-to-date

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weird

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:23 PM

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it is

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i have 35

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and it's from the drive

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:23 PM

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unless 1.1.1.8 is the latest

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:23 PM

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no

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that's the wrong patch

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won't even work

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:23 PM

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I know

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Oh fuck, it's in the middle of the 1.2.2.1s and 0s

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in the very middle

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:24 PM

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?

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this one

📎 unknown.png

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:25 PM

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I know it's just me being blind but every version before 1.2.1.4 is in chronological order

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no this one

📎 unknown.png

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:25 PM

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why are you using that one

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current patch is 1.2.2.1

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:25 PM

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I was using 1.2.2.1 before

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at least I thought so

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I guess I wasn't

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:26 PM

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I dl'd it

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lemme try brb

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:26 PM

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just DL'd the drive version, and it's 37

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so even the one i had was old

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at 35

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:27 PM

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yeah, couldn't find -37

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maybe it's sean's and not wyza's

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:28 PM

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So not sure what file you've been downloading, but the google drive is up to date

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:28 PM

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it's Sean's

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I think

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:28 PM

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the API is everyone's

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:28 PM

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oh yeah

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:28 PM

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lots of people have worked on it

willow path Mar 5, 2018, 7:28 PM

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you right

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:28 PM

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I mean, the one who posted it here

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so I can search for it

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:28 PM

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yeah, dunno who posted it

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but it's on the drive

cunning basalt Mar 5, 2018, 7:28 PM

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does the glowing womb flies babies things count as secondary damage

young walrus Mar 5, 2018, 7:29 PM

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yes

leaden hedge Mar 5, 2018, 7:29 PM

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yes

solemn rivet Mar 5, 2018, 7:29 PM

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yup