i can fucking see
#archived-modding-development
exotic venture
do you need a cup of coffee mick
young walrus
apparently
hollow pier
how do you know he doesnt play on 1.2.1.4
young walrus
he can't. unless he purposely down patched
exotic venture
because he uses the steam version which is 1.2.2.1
young walrus
or paused all updates
hollow pier
i play on 1.2.1.4
exotic venture
but why tho
hollow pier
objectively better
exotic venture
do tell where it's better than previous patches
hollow pier
its got a 4
hollow pier
top salesman
digital axle
i verified
digital axle
yes it works
digital axle
it is still working then?
digital axle
bonfire is working so thanks
exotic venture
dank
coral fable
tried the boss rush mod for the first time
collector became invulnerable
rip my op build
hollow pier
wow you used that dreamshield op build
rain cedar
It's not just that
Fluke, weaversong, grimm
Basically anything that isn't standard spell/melee
coral fable
i actually had all of those lul
hollow pier
crest
coral fable
crest too
hollow pier
womb
rain cedar
I think tonight I will look into making a mod that fixes collector
leaden hedge
its fixed in beta apparently
although I expected them to release it this century so I didn't fix it
scenic slate
Request to modders: if an enemey randomizer mod is possible, make it happen pls ๐
leaden hedge
do it yourself
exotic venture
all enemies are aspids
million dollar idea
right there
empress muzznik is now a challenge
scenic slate
idk how to mod ;w;
exotic venture
step 1
c#
step 2
assembly
step 3
modify the fuck out of assembly-csharp
step 4
congrats you are now making mods
not any good ones
but mods nonetheless
scenic slate
thank you for the wise guidance
tranquil glen
i heard something about a room randomizer. that would be cool. approxiamtely how many years from completetion would that be?
scenic slate
funny, I suggested that idea months ago lol
tranquil glen
i'd just use a different seed
young walrus
Room rando is a Fuck ton of mapping work before even starting
solemn rivet
Yeah, and I've been playing Iconoclasts most of my off time, so haven't been mapping much
Sorry
solemn rivet
Tbh I didn't like celeste that much
tranquil glen
yeah i figured it would be a ton of work, just wonderin
hollow pier
wow hi paerux
solemn rivet
Yeah... But, hey! It's done now
hollow pier
soul master 1st room flukemarm 2nd room 
pearl sentinel
Yeah I was doing enemy rando
young walrus
With goofy names
pearl sentinel
On hold for the moment, but I got it 95% working
I started on a sort-of room randomizer, but haven't tried the implementation yet, it's just some pseudo code.
solemn rivet
sorry to tag you out of nowhere, Kerr
hollow pier
why arent modders > mods
vagrant leaf
they are
hollow pier
tru
ornate rivet
oh
solemn rivet
creator > creature 
hollow pier
creatore
pearl sentinel
It's fine gradow ๐
It's a good reminder that I need to finish the thing up and post it somewhere so at least it's there if anyone wants to mess with it
And it's pretty fun as is, tbh
exotic venture
we do
exotic venture
oh nice
vagrant leaf
modders are at the top of the hierarchy
exotic venture
here's a hallownest seal for you to dupe
leaden hedge
I'm gonna be rich
exotic venture
banned tbh
buoyant obsidian
Agreed
hidden oasis
Interesting thing I found after glitching the Grimm fight with the boss rush mod, Brumm is right outside the gate
rain cedar
@buoyant wasp Had the same bug Mickely has been having
Looks like we've got two relevant errors in here hidden among the thousands of FSM not Preprocessed warnings
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2+Enumerator[System.String,System.Boolean].VerifyState () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2+Enumerator[System.String,System.Boolean].MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2+KeyCollection+Enumerator[System.String,System.Boolean].MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Modding.ModLoader.LoadMods () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at OnScreenDebugInfo.Awake () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 ```
```NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
at UIManager.get_instance () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Modding.ModVersionDraw.OnGUI () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 ```I think I'll just fix the problematic foreach loop myself, shouldn't be much effort
Trying to open git and I'm not sure how this error can even be a thing
RIP me I guess
rain cedar
Eh it's honestly probably just a broken file path stored in some obscure place
Recently moved windows installation
exotic venture
windows never likes being moved
rain cedar
Just spent 5 minutes booting the game repeatedly with no error so I'm gonna call this fixed
Took 9 characters of code
What a stunning contribution
@young walrus Let me know if you still get problems with this new api version
solemn rivet
Those were happening to me as well, Sean. I'll test this later and see if it's fixed
digital axle
i can not click nowhere what can i do? (i installed charmnotch mod)
copper nacelle
try using the arrow keyes
young walrus
if the mod was installed, it'd show up top left
digital axle
it isn't working 56
copper nacelle
give modlog
also output_log
also did you install the API
because it usually gives a failed loading thing post-31
digital axle
yes i did
digital axle
digital axle
i couldnt find saves folder
fair rampart
appdata/locallow/teamcherry/hollowknight/ModLog.txt
digital axle
copper nacelle
I think your settings are just screwed up
I would give mine but not on windows rn
try deleting your settings actually
it's called mod global settings or something
also in the saves folder
digital axle
ModdingApi.GlobalSettings.json ?
digital axle
i did it
digital axle
is isnt working only black screen
digital axle
it works !! so thanks
digital axle
what does randomizer mod do?
digital axle
where can i find them for emxample
young walrus
where can you find what
pickup locations are the same, but what you get from each location is random
young walrus
You can even get compass from compass
digital axle
can i see charms loaction on the map
young walrus
can you in base game?
digital axle
np
young walrus
then no
digital axle
thx
tranquil glen
for mapping rooms for randomizer do you need to know what abilities are necessary to get to each loadzone and item?
i could do some of that at some point
leaden hedge
you need to know how to get to each transition in each room from each transition
and how to get to any progression items in the room
from any transition
young walrus
^
leaden hedge
i.e. mantis claw room only needs fireball to get to mantis claw if you come from above
but requires dash or djump
if you come from the right
young walrus
take a look at the form for crossroads
tranquil glen
ok yeah, i might do a room or two every once in a while just to help out slowly
since this is something im interested in
copper nacelle
pfloat from the right
mortal horizon
how do i uninstall mods
mortal horizon
feelsbad i think i messed up my 106%save
dapper folio
Always backup your saves
mortal horizon
yeah lol
dapper folio
Mods can be removed by deleting the mod files and verifying the game
If you're using gog, try keeping copies of the unmodded files
dapper folio
Yeah, that's the one
mortal horizon
this is an experiment for me if it goes wrong I get to play hollow knight again yay
oh boy
nvm it just reverted back to its original self when I validated the game files
it said I had 107% completion but it also changed that when i loaded it up
leaden hedge
are you sure about that ๐ค
vagrant leaf
bossrush is bad pls delet
hollow pier
kdt make a good mod
vagrant leaf
^^^^^^^
hollow pier
got me there
leaden hedge
stop spamming in modding
hollow pier
hello kdt
pearl sentinel
fair rampart
what is unending dreams mod
leaden hedge
lets you refight the dream fights
fair rampart
kk
versed adder
What's the definition of a game mod
Just changing/modifying the game
Adding, taking away
Would reskins be considered mods?
leaden hedge
anything that modifies the game files are a mod
versed adder
Okay. Thought so.
fair rampart
reskins are texture mods
versed adder
Alright
eager pasture
what does Charm Notch mod and FSM do? coudn't find anything about them on google
fair rampart
Charm notch auto gives you charm notches when you get enough charms
Instead of having to go to salubra
It's mostly used for stuff like rando races
digital axle
anyone who knows a mod that you are so powerful?
exotic venture
exotic venture
the best mod for me is randomizer, because i enjoy playing that
buoyant obsidian
Lightbringer best mod
dapper folio
Glass soul best mod
digital axle
what are the glass souls features?
dapper folio
You die in 1 hit
Increased damage
Some charm changes to account for health no longer being relevant
digital axle
guys i installed blackmoth mod but my nails damage decreased so much (i uninstalled the mod)
anyone help me?
solemn rivet
blackmoth is supposed to make nail deal only 1 damage
digital axle
how can i fix it
solemn rivet
your only way of actually dealing damage is dash
you start with dash
just dash and kill things
digital axle
cant i fix it?
solemn rivet
what do you mean "fix it"?
that's how it's supposed to be
that's what the mod does
solemn rivet
instead of uninstalling, disable it via the in-game menu
that should reset the damage
otherwise, just use the save game editor and change your nail damage to whatever
digital axle
thx i'll try
solemn rivet
so, you install the game first, and then you should find the "MODS" option inside the "OPTIONS" menu in the main menu
young walrus
"mod is broken, it doesn't do what i want."
digital axle
when i close it form options damag isnt changing
solemn rivet
did you disable it?
digital axle
how can i use debug?
digital axle
it worked so thanks
solemn rivet
@buoyant wasp iirc you said something about making it so that mods couldn't be disabled via the in-game pause menu, but for my mods (which change player data directly) the best way to disable them seems to be in the pause menu...
buoyant wasp
the problem is that then you're talking about disabling a mod while the game is in motion. Most mods assume that you're going to start a new game or load a save to start playing the game
if you say "well this mod can be turned off/on after the save is loaded" then you add a big layer of complexity
it's easier to just say that mods can only be enabled/disabled in the main menu, outside of an actively running save
jovial vessel
Can I still get acheivements I have mods on?
rain cedar
Yes
jovial vessel
If I want to start a new save, but I still want to finish a normal 106% file can I have both, without the mod changing my 106% file?
I mean a new modded save.
rain cedar
Mods aren't gonna affect any saves you don't load
But if you load it all bets are off
jovial vessel
Rip I guess ill 106% first.
solemn rivet
just don't load the 106% save while playing the mod
if you don't load it, it's safe
solemn rivet
^
rustic stag
Anyone know how I would go about changing the max health and charm notches? I changed the values just fine, but it won't actually display more than 11 health / 12 charm notches.
rain cedar
If it's changed fine, why does it matter?
Also if you're gonna cheat anyway there's better ways to have infinite health + all charms
rustic stag
Because it's inaccurate? And it leaves a large gap if you have any blue health.
rain cedar
Eh
leaden hedge
the capping is probably somewhere in fsm
rustic stag
I guess, but I'm not really looking for band-aid solutions. I'm assuming there's no simple way to edit FSMs?
rustic stag
Okay, where do I start?
leaden hedge
you need to install the fsm mod
and download the fsm-viewer
fsm mod is in the drive and edits playmaker.dll
rustic stag
It's not up to date, is that a problem?
rustic stag
Is FSM Viewer not in the pinned messages?
leaden hedge
and fsm-viewer is in 2 places either my one:
https://github.com/KayDeeTee/HK-FSM-VIEWER
or wyza win10 port that lets you open files without renaming them:
https://github.com/iamwyza/HK-FSM-VIEWER
not sure if that one has a release actually
mine does
rustic stag
Much obliged, I'll let you know if I figure it out!
leaden hedge
well mine doesn't have "release" but its just a webpage that you can load locally
rustic stag
Yeah no worries, I figured it out.
The patched is giving me an error? "xdelta3: target window checksum mismatch: XD3_INVALID_INPUT"
patcher*
leaden hedge
i think this one is patched
rustic stag
Thanks! And does the viewer have to be placed anywhere specific?
leaden hedge
nah
just make sure the data.json file is in the same folder as it
note that csharp stores floats and strings in weird ways
so sometimes it'll give you garbage as action values
and some actions just crash
but you can still get a good jist of what each fsm is doing
rustic stag
How do I get data.json? I don't have one.
rustic stag
The %appdata% save folder, right?
leaden hedge
%appdata%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight
and you want Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\save_fsm
then run the game and every fsm that gets loaded will get dumped into there as
tag, gameobject, fsmname, checksum.json
rustic stag
Oh boy it sure created a lot of files. Well, guess I'll get to work!
charred parrot
k so I have the viewer downloaded
opened it on a webbrowser
placed a save_fsm folder in Hollow Knight
game is playing
nothing is appearing in the viewer and no files are being placed in save_fsm
:/
solemn rivet
did you install the fsm dump mod?
charred parrot
probably not
solemn rivet
charred parrot
literally have no idea what im doing :/
solemn rivet
yup
charred parrot
kk anything else?
charred parrot
crossing fingers
so exactly what should I expect to see?
a bunch of files in the save_fsm?
solemn rivet
yup
charred parrot
oh jesus
solemn rivet
where did you put save_fsm?
solemn rivet
and you'll load even more as you walk around
charred parrot
or just what was loaded
oh so if I want to see the fsms behind a boss
I need to fight that boss?
solemn rivet
I think just getting it on screen should be enough
charred parrot
do you guys have some type of repository for all of them
charred parrot
rip
solemn rivet
because there are loads
charred parrot
k so how do I view them now?
solemn rivet
filename format is tag, gameobject, fsmname, checksum.json, just as KDT said
okay
so you pick whichever fsm you want to view
and put it in the same folder as viewer.html
rename it to data.json
and add "var fsm=" to the beginning of the file
here's a working example
(to add "var fsm=" just open it with notepad or whatever)
solemn rivet
oh
you're using wyza's version
dunno how that wroks
here's KDT'S: https://github.com/KayDeeTee/HK-FSM-VIEWER
it should be what I just told you
charred parrot
is there any difference between the two?
solemn rivet
apparently
charred parrot
eww
leaden hedge
although wyza has a compiled version somewhere
charred parrot
well I'll just use yours for now then
solemn rivet
be warned tho
that the viewer will only give you a brief understanding on how that fsm works
it's still a pain to change stuff
(so prolly wait for next patch)
charred parrot
got it working
solemn rivet
nice
charred parrot
whats next patch?
solemn rivet
next patch basically removes most fsm with the switch release
TC had to recode most of the game for better switch compatibility
exotic venture
death of lighbringer
charred parrot
oh they're remaking the whole game without the FSMs?
solemn rivet
^
charred parrot
why was it so brutal?
solemn rivet
like I said, "better compatibility"
leaden hedge
because the fsms work via a programming paradigm called composition
where you make functions inside of objects
then create sets of functions with those objects
leaden hedge
then create stuff with those sets of functions
its something like 8 objects
to add 3 numbers together
and it just gets worse and worse the more stuff you do
and all those objects add massive amounts of overhead
charred parrot
so its just super inefficient compared to standard coding?
leaden hedge
extremely
composition can be more efficient for certain problems
where being able to make objects out of building blocks is actually what you want to do
everything is not that use case
charred parrot
is there something specific about the switch that makes this set up brutal for it to run?
leaden hedge
no
charred parrot
sorry I'm just interested
leaden hedge
its brutal on the pc too
just most pcs are really fast
so it being 50x slower than it could be doesn't matter
solemn rivet
one easy way to see this is to run a few comparisons during runtime and see your fps drop
seanpr actually helped me a lot some time ago, because I had basically a needlessly long if running every frame looking for certain fsms - for my weak pc it didn't do much, but for him, it dropped his usual 300+fps to something like 200
which is a HUGE hit
leaden hedge
if you really want to see the sorts of fps drops you get, the average scene in hollow knight has something like 2000 gameobjects
and several 100 fsms
make a semi-complicated fsm with maybe 10 actions running a frame
make 100 gameobjects run that fsm
and then do the same thing but code it in csharp
your frame rate will probably go 5x easy
solemn rivet
I might be wrong, but in bossrush when you first killed False Knight the game had a pretty noticeable lag spike - was that due to fsms being fsms?
leaden hedge
thats because I was generating 3 lots of the item prefab
which has like 6 fsms on it
solemn rivet
hm..
charred parrot
ive heard having multiple smaller FSMs is better for performance than a few large complicated ones
for the FSM viewer
does it display the global transitions?
leaden hedge
no
charred parrot
rip
leaden hedge
you can just look at the file if you want to see
"globalTransitions": [
should bring you to the right area
median trout
I was just playing lightbringer, and fought the mantis lords. I know the gruz mother (or empress muzznik) is buffed a lot, but I couldn't find how to get to the shopkeeper without fighting her (also without lantern). When are you supposed to be able to fight her?
hazy sentinel
you can fight muzznik whenever you want
median trout
But when is it viable?
hazy sentinel
it's supposed to be the final boss
median trout
Really...?
I get that you're supposed to go around, but how are you supposed to be able to without the lantern?
solemn rivet
Via Blue Lake
solemn rivet
That lake above city of tears
solemn rivet
No, that's how you get to salubra and sly without killing gruz
vagrant leaf
oh
solemn rivet
(that's actually how I first got to salubra on my first playthrough)
exotic venture
to get to salubra/sly, the convoluted way
step 1, crystal dash
step 2, go to the following areas
vagrant leaf
or you can get to resting grounds from CoT
exotic venture
City of Teras -> Royal Waterways -> Kingdom's Edge -> City of Tears -> Resting Grounds
or skip kingdom's edge because you are not a dungo
hazy sentinel
a meme to rival quicknail
vagrant leaf
waterways dont go directly into kingdom's edge
vagrant leaf
oh wait yeah they do
median trout
Can you use the tram card and desolate dive?
young walrus
yeah you do
solemn rivet
But you do
vagrant leaf
leads to beside the grave
vagrant leaf
Tram --> ancient basin --> CoT --> Resting grounds
median trout
What kind of person would make this so difficult? It is just a shopkeeper.
solemn rivet
753
young walrus
shopkeepers are OP
solemn rivet
Tbf they are
exotic venture
tram to ancient basin
wtf
cdash is easier to get
so much easier
and you need it anyway
solemn rivet
Take tram directly to resting grounds, no?
solemn rivet
It's fine if you don't go to herrah
median trout
I'm not a master at hollow knight. I don't know every path or what is easiest to do when. I just wish I could get the lantern.
solemn rivet
Sadly, there's no easy way in the latest lightbringer version, sorry
solemn rivet
Just ignore it... It's not a terribly useful item anyways
median trout
Well, i also want charms and charm notches so...
exotic venture
oh one can be found in CoT you should be fine
hazy sentinel
just buy one from sly 
solemn rivet
Salubra does have nice charms in the mod
exotic venture
sly is being held captive by empress muzznik pls
solemn rivet
Use save editor, give yourself 999 nail damage, beat muzznik, set it back to 5
Done
charred parrot
but is that what a MAN would do?
versed swift
where can i get the boss health bar mod
versed swift
where's the guide to install it in the pins
scenic slate
Trying to install randomizer mod, I think the part Im having trouble with is the replacing vanilla .dll with the modified version. whenever I try to start hk up, it crashes
scenic slate
link to api?
scenic slate
if u mean that api in drive, I put it in managed but it still crashes
jovial vessel
What mod would you recomend to someone who hasnt played anymods before.
hollow pier
you got the right api?
scenic slate
oh shit im stupid xd
I kinda assumed that the last folder was the one up to date and didnt bother reading the name lol
copper nacelle
@hazy sentinel
copper nacelle
# Hell Mod
#### By 56 (me)
## Effects
- 1/2 Nail Damage (actually less than that)
- 2x incoming damage
- 1/3 max SOUL
- 1/2 SOUL collection
- no SOUL collection while your shade is alive
- Heal focus is nerfed to Deep Focus speed
- Deep focus multiplier increased by 1.3725
- Dream shield only costs 1 notch
- 5/6 spell damage (1/6 reduction)
## Installation
Hell Mod is an API mod, so install the Hollow Knight API (by Seanpr, Firezen, and Wyza) and then place the HellMod.dll into the Mods folder
no hell mod makes it much easier
copper nacelle
also everyone who's played hell mod so far has played it old nail
hollow pier
wow 56 had that ready just like jonny's nkg guide and totf build
scenic slate
randomzier sounds like a fun first mod lol
copper nacelle
ye wot
dreamshield is garbage
and does nail damage
and I nerfed nail damage to < 2.5
hollow pier
its alright when its 1 notch
you know whats really broken
dnail
because 56 cant mod
copper nacelle
re
jovial vessel
Dreamnail?
copper nacelle
I could fix it but that would take effort
hollow pier
and it would mean not beating bosses
copper nacelle
soul vessel makes bosses easy enough tbh
only boss which would be harder is failed champion
jovial vessel
Soul vessel?
hollow pier
broken soul vessel
scenic slate
I have a mod suggestion that's probably possible: A speedrun mod that automatically equips charms at the start of the game that are useful for speedruns but dont take up notches. Like dashmaster, sprintmaster, dream wielder, and gathering swarm.
rain cedar
Speedrun charms = gathering swarm
scenic slate
u save time picking up geo
rain cedar
Maybe a couple seconds over a full run
scenic slate
every second counts in a speedrun
leaden hedge
more than sprintmaster
trim grove
if the mod auto equips charms at the start of the game are you even really speedrunning the game anymore? or is this some ng+ style mod? ๐ค
leaden hedge
I mean none of the charms he listed are even used in speedruns
other than dashmaster in glitched categories
and dreamwielder in true end nmg nail0
trim grove
oh kdt, you were the one who made that, iirc, java based save editor ye?
leaden hedge
yes
trim grove
would debugmod + PDT interfere with its operations in some fashion? cause v0.3, latest public one i can find, causes saves to be unreadable by the game
leaden hedge
should work fine
trim grove
hm. ill have to test without those installed
scenic slate
its more of a timesaver mod for people who wanna do a quick playthrough
not really to compete with speedrun records
scenic slate
Lol I gotta learn how to mod then 
rain cedar
Look into NewPlayerDataHook
trim grove
yeah even after a steam verify files it causes em to not show up... wonder if its cause i had lightbringer installed previously?
trim grove
nail damage, geo, grimmchild charm status
not all at the same time
er, not geo, dream orbs
trim grove
n, all 3 causes it to stop showing up
hm... i should run the save through the json and see if it can parse it
ahhh. think i figured it out. likely the api leave tags in the save file, which if i had to guess your editor trips up on? if i 'save' again with a totally vanilla game, it strips those tags and your editor works like it should
rain cedar
I don't think debug changes saves
leaden hedge
its the api
rain cedar
I'm only saving global things
leaden hedge
it puts tags into the save to say what mods were installed
trim grove
makes sense
copper nacelle
@scenic slate do it imo
scenic slate
I'm too lazy, I'd rather have a slave do it for me
copper nacelle
r e
median trout
I tried to use the save editor to temporarily set my nail damage, but whenever I started up hollow knight, it always reverts to my base damage. Btw I am using lightbringer, if that has anything to do with it.
amber hamlet
Henlo, can I get some help.
royal ridge
What's up
royal ridge
Just follow this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lX2A8Tegys
young walrus
watch the video
royal ridge
The downloads are in the pinned google drive, the downloads you'll need are the API and Boss Rush. (ensure it's the same version as your game)
solemn rivet
@median trout lightbringer sets your nail damage every frame
so even if you edit it in the saves... It'll just get reset when you run the game
coral fable
Boss rush mod is not really challenging though ๐ค you get way more op than a regular playthrough but its really fun
solemn rivet
^
if you want to challenge yourself, try rando hard mode
you might just get a shitty seed
coral fable
What about a money prize to someone who finds the seed with everything same as regular pt
solemn rivet
pearl sentinel
so, i just got done making a batch file that should allow mod authors to give their users a "one click install" as long as the resources and dll are packaged with it
solemn rivet
nice
pearl sentinel
it opens a file selector, the user just needs to find the hollow_knight.exe and click it
solemn rivet
there used to be something like that a while ago, before the API even came into being
pearl sentinel
it has 2 copy paths that you can set, one for your dll and one for the resources of your mod
pearl sentinel
end user doesn't have to do anything though
solemn rivet
so you can just reference the .dll directly instead of a whole folder structure?
pearl sentinel
change to .bat to try it out (you'll need to rename the mod variables to your own)
can just check it out, i'm not good at shell scripting
but i wanted to have people be able to have an easier time installing my mod once i put it up
solemn rivet
how hard would it be to make it an interface in which you can have a list of mods and from which you can choose which ones to have active?
pearl sentinel
probably just a bit of c# or something
like a forms app
and just have it pull down a master list from somewhere
basically a package manager
solemn rivet
basically, yeah
pearl sentinel
wouldn't be hard really, just take a little bit to set up
solemn rivet
you find the .dlls wherever they are on your pc and it adds them to a list
and then you just select which ones you want to use
pearl sentinel
ah, yeah that'd be even easier
solemn rivet
sorry, I literally have no idea how to do that
amber hamlet
Alright, this is gonna sound pretty dumb, but uh...
How do I actually access it...?
solemn rivet
which one?
amber hamlet
Boss rush.
solemn rivet
boss rush should play automatically when you start a new game
if you want any indications if you installed it correctly or not, just check top left
should tell you API and installed mods versions
amber hamlet
I have done something horribly wrong, ree.
amber hamlet
Got'cha.
solemn rivet
in the meantime, send us a picture of your hollow_knight_data/managed folder
and your saves folder
pearl sentinel
you should only need to update the $modXXX variables in the batch file
amber hamlet
Aye, simwae.
solemn rivet
@pearl sentinel it's looking into my Downloads directory. Is that how it's supposed to look for the mods?
@amber hamlet what happens when you launch the game?
pearl sentinel
the batch should go in the folder with the 2 things it wants to "install"
so it would look like
pearl sentinel
pearl sentinel
that's how the batch file should be positioned relative to the dll and the resource
solemn rivet
big tiddy: send us a screenshot of the game's main menu
pearl sentinel
you can edit $current if you need it to be slightly different
amber hamlet
i'mverysorryyouhavetocallmethat
solemn rivet
yeah, I was just being obtuse
amber hamlet
Main menu is just the main menu.
solemn rivet
seems to work perfectly, Kerr, except I had to relaunch it a few times because it wouldn't look for the exe, or it would look for it, and then do nothing once I selected it
did you install the API, goth gf?
amber hamlet
I have the API, yes.
solemn rivet
are you running the steam version?
amber hamlet
Yes.
young walrus
Did you download the 1.2.2.1 version of the API?
solemn rivet
okay, do you have a modlog.txt in you saves folder?
amber hamlet
I did, yes.
pearl sentinel
brb
solemn rivet
I assume so, mick, otherwise game would crash on launch
amber hamlet
You're gonna have to point me in the direction of the saves folder 'cos I can't seem to fnd it.
solemn rivet
should be appdata/locallow/team cherry/hollow knight
also, it's working fine now, Kerr
I've tried relaunching it a few times, and all of them worked fine
maybe it was somehting on my end?
amber hamlet
Heeere's the Hollow Knight folder.
solemn rivet
okay, so it seems you do not have the api installed
it seems you did install it, tho
judging by the modification date on the assembly
amber hamlet
Whaddya suggest I do, boss?
solemn rivet
just to be safe
this is the latest version of the api
there should be a .dll inside the zip
copy and paste it in the managed folder
amber hamlet
Assembly-CSharp?
amber hamlet
Done and done.
solemn rivet
try launching it now
even if it doesn't show anything top left, try playing the game and see what happens
I've seen blackmoth sometimes not show the text on upper-left, but thought it was a mod-specific bug
amber hamlet
So the good news it, it worked.
Bad news is I have no save files anymore so I guess that's my bad.
solemn rivet
but the only mod-specific bug I know of is Muzznik kek
not, it's a feature of bossrush
young walrus
boss rush doesn't give you options of save files
amber hamlet
Yes, I'd assume that. It's my fault for not backin' stuff up or something maybe.
young walrus
no
solemn rivet
they're not gone
amber hamlet
goodie because i was like 75% done with a steel soul run
young walrus
and loading up a save with it installed will bork them
solemn rivet
look for "Mods" in the options menu, there should be a way to disable the mod
young walrus
so it removes the option to even load a save
solemn rivet
Otherwise, just create a 'Disabled' folder inside the Mods folder in managed and move bossrush there when you want to go back to the game
amber hamlet
Well, thanks for yer help friendos.
solemn rivet
Np
Btw, only bossrush, bonfire and blackmoth have the option to disable the mod in-game
The other ones you have to do it with the Disabled folder I told you above
gusty sparrow
watching the other guy on screenshare rn and i'm lowkey gonna get that mod
pearl sentinel
@solemn rivet glad to hear it works
gusty sparrow
is there any way to get the fully upgraded grimmchild in boss rush meme?
solemn rivet
Only after you beat troupe master Grimm
gusty sparrow
ah aight
buoyant wasp
i did post a compiled version of the win10 app for the fsm viewer 2 btw. Pretty sure 56 used it last week.
sorry haven't been around much. stupid plague
anyway, just search for from wyza has file
copper nacelle
yeah it worked
warped hollow
we need a bossrush mod that includes the ghosts and minibosses
rain cedar
Go ahead and make it
buoyant obsidian
"Not my problem"
leaden hedge
Add it yourself
Bossrush is easy to extend you just need the variable name, map and coordinates for the fight
Everything else is already handled
fair rampart
@rain cedar This skip https://youtu.be/bQe2wH6F8t4
should be in rando
rain cedar
Sure, just tell me a set of items that makes it consistently possible
exotic venture
double jump, crystal dash, [Mark of Pride + Quickslash + Longnail]
but that skip sucks
rain cedar
My point is the fireball would one shot the shade if you have shade soul
And even if you don't this requires a nail upgrade to boost its hp
exotic venture
that's a very valid point you make there...
exotic venture
yeah but if you have the shade soul upgrade before you get there the skip is pointless
because you will one hit it with just shade soul
fair rampart
true that
fair rampart
i mean it has highly specific charm requirements anyway
exotic venture
and you need vengeful, but not shade soul
plus to achieve it consistently you need to upgrade your nail which sucks
i mean, hp wise, if you have shade soul
fair rampart
its 250 for nail upgrade
exotic venture
also, it's only one item behind there
fair rampart
I dont see what sucks about it
exotic venture
seems pretty useless
i think the double jump/cdash thing is enough to worry about
solemn rivet
Can you make the shade spawn closer to that platform?
exotic venture
not really, there's only two spots the shade appears in
you can die on either side of the room and if you die on the left side it will apear on the ledge and you have to bait it with vengeful
haughty geode
how does the charm notch mod work?
fair rampart
It basically gives you charm notches when you reach the amount of charms required
Without having to go to salbura/collect them
copper nacelle
@fair rampart 2
fair rampart
Oh
copper nacelle
wait no
haughty geode
nvm i get it @fair rampart
fair rampart
Oh makes sense otherwise joni would be way too รฒp
austere torrent
Meme
leaden hedge
NSA
dapper sun
Gimme a moment I'll try to check
Okay, there is variable to edit ore amount. Should I check if it actually gives it in edited save?
dapper sun
No probs
copper nacelle
how do I change charm effects
leaden hedge
Git gud
ornate rivet
how do you take the multiplicative inverse of something
leaden hedge
What
ornate rivet
but then how would I make an affine cipher
leaden hedge
Find charm effect then change it
copper nacelle
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leaden hedge
Git gud
copper nacelle
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leaden hedge
Find charm effects and then change them
austere torrent
@leaden hedge can you help me get my stuff back D:
I mean
the ore
and other thing
notch
leaden hedge
Have you downloaded my editor
leaden hedge
Yeah
austere torrent
Ye
leaden hedge
Either stick it in your save folder or use the button in edit to set save directory
copper nacelle
ovet
austere torrent
We can ss
leaden hedge
I'm on my phone sorry
leaden hedge
You'd have to ask someone else
leaden hedge
Its really not that hard though
austere torrent
I'm just dumb ;P
leaden hedge
Go to %appdata%/../locallow/
austere torrent
Nah I got it
leaden hedge
Ah cool
copper nacelle
@austere torrent
daring snow
Where is the dreamgate data stored again?
leaden hedge
For what debug?
daring snow
yeah
leaden hedge
Was next to the exe
daring snow
can you change the names of individual dream gate data entries?
leaden hedge
Yes
daring snow
nice
daring snow
yeah, that's fine ๐
gusty sparrow
so before i launch hollow knight and it dies, i gotta know, is lightbringer compatible with boss rush?
rain cedar
Lightbringer doesn't work with anything
dapper sun
Wait. So everything about how physics and charms and whatsoever works in game - all that data is located inside Assembly-CSharp?
I know I might be asking an obvious thing, but still.
dapper sun
Assets and maps, I guess?
Most of the game, that is. I wonder, is there any map editor?
leaden hedge
No 90% of the logic isn't there either