#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 54

ornate rivet Jan 27, 2018, 2:48 PM

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just put the data folder you get next from the mod in the same folder as the hk-data folder

arctic idol Jan 27, 2018, 2:49 PM

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already did it, ingame the randomizer 1.5.1 appears, but nothing else

ornate rivet Jan 27, 2018, 2:50 PM

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oh

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when you make a new save file it doesnt let you pick randomizer?

arctic idol Jan 27, 2018, 2:50 PM

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no

ornate rivet Jan 27, 2018, 2:51 PM

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watch this and make sure you are doing it right

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lX2A8Tegys

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and make sure you have steam in offline mode

arctic idol Jan 27, 2018, 2:52 PM

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oh, didnt know about the offline mode

arctic idol Jan 27, 2018, 3:09 PM

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i've done it like him (but with the randomizer) and the offline mode and still got no option to choose the randomizer difficulty

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got the randomizer upthere

📎 6f2b8f2b6e3def5fdfebc768d4946618.jpg

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Should something be shown here?

📎 20180127161726_1.jpg

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 3:20 PM

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no

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you're sure that you put the entire folder next to hollow_knight_data?

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bc if it finds the xml it should also find everything else

arctic idol Jan 27, 2018, 3:36 PM

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"Randomizer" is now displayed in the bottom left but still can't randomize new saves

📎 20180127163707_1.jpg

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the folder

📎 folderr.png

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bottom right*

hazy sentinel Jan 27, 2018, 3:39 PM

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so after clicking to start a new save and getting to the difficulty screen you don't see "RANDOMIZER:OFF"?

arctic idol Jan 27, 2018, 3:39 PM

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ohhhhh i see the problem now

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still haven't finished the game

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im clumsy, sorry for bothering

hazy sentinel Jan 27, 2018, 3:40 PM

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yeah you have to unlock steel soul first

arctic idol Jan 27, 2018, 3:41 PM

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downloaded at first, and ended up the game, liked it and bought it so i deleted the other file

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and now i was like meh i dont feel like doing hollow knight

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and rushed grimm instead of ending the game

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thanks for helping! and btw Verulean ur videos are awesome

mighty slate Jan 27, 2018, 3:46 PM

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am i the only one having issues getting the bonfire mod to run?

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 3:48 PM

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@arctic idol you can download the file near from in pinned #hk-discussion

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then you just need to beat the boss

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 4:03 PM

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Is there any way to get the randomizer to work on Mac?

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 4:04 PM

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yea

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There's a Mac version

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📎 Screenshot_20180127-110457.png 📎 RandomizerMod.dll

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 4:05 PM

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I downloaded the Mac version but can't get it to work

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 4:05 PM

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did you put the randomizer folder in the resources folder?

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 4:06 PM

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I did before and it didn't work

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Let me try again

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It's in resources, the dll is in the mods folder, and nothing is showing up

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Let me try one more time

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Aaannnnnddd

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Nothing

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 4:17 PM

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try replacing the dll with the one I uploaded

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it's probably the same

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but just in case

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 4:33 PM

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Alright

charred brook Jan 27, 2018, 4:37 PM

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@solemn rivet i forgot to mention that the shade cloak thing (in blackmoth) is not working at least for me. in the readme it says that you got soul from dashing through enemies but it doesnt work. thinkgrub

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 4:57 PM

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@copper nacelle still doesn't work

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 5:04 PM

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Whāt

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whȳ

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@charred compass does the API show up in the top left

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 5:04 PM

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Yeah

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 5:04 PM

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also in your saves folder there should be a ModLog.txt

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can you attach that

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 5:04 PM

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I have the API installed just fine

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 5:05 PM

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and in managed there's an output_log

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 5:05 PM

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I'll have to attach it later tonigh, I'm about to go do some stuff today

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 5:05 PM

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can you attach that as well

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alright cool

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 5:05 PM

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*tonight

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But my API does show up, the "outdated, new version" error and all

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 5:06 PM

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weird

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 5:06 PM

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Yeah

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I've set the randomizer folder in nearly every folder in the files, the files from the randomizer folder in every folder as well

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 5:26 PM

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📎 ModLog.txt

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There's no output_log in managed @copper nacelle

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 5:27 PM

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what api version are you on

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-31?

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 5:28 PM

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-34

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 5:29 PM

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ok tf

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 5:30 PM

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Maybe HK just hates me

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 5:30 PM

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nothing complaining about files in ModLog

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it's usually in output anyway tho

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wait

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the output is in a diff spot on mac

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~/Library/Logs or something

young walrus Jan 27, 2018, 5:31 PM

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You merged the two .App files/folders?

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 5:31 PM

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he did

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he's got api running

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@charred compass gimme ~/Library/Logs/Unity/Player.log

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you can go there fast with Command+Shift+G or something iirc

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 5:32 PM

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Kk

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 5:35 PM

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FileNotFoundException: Randomizer could not find all menu images
at RandomizerMod.GUIController.Awake () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
UnityEngine.GameObject:Internal_AddComponentWithType(Type)
UnityEngine.GameObject:AddComponent(Type)
UnityEngine.GameObject:AddComponent()
RandomizerMod.RandomizerMod:Initialize()
Modding.ModLoader:LoadMod(IMod, Boolean)
Modding.ModLoader:LoadMods()
OnScreenDebugInfo:Awake()

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🤔

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 5:35 PM

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So I'm missing whatever the hell triggers the UI?

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 5:35 PM

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it can't find the folder

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which has the images

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which it displays

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Boi

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 5:36 PM

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exactly

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 5:36 PM

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I've put the folder everywhere

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Put the files from the folder everywhere

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And it still doesn't work

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Smh Hollow Knight

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 5:45 PM

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for nice people

📎 MenderFriend.dll

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 5:47 PM

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Nice

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What would be nicer is if the randomizer decided to want to work

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 5:54 PM

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nevermind don't use that it doesn't work

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InvalidOperationException: out of sync
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary2+Enumerator[System.String,System.Boolean].VerifyState () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary2+Enumerator[System.String,System.Boolean].MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2+KeyCollection+Enumerator[System.String,System.Boolean].MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Modding.ModLoader.LoadMods () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at OnScreenDebugInfo.Awake () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0

(Filename: Line: -1)

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why

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:00 PM

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I know we figured out where the folder was supposed to go at some point

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cause someone else got it working

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:00 PM

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yeah

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does mender door not just check for the key + doorOpened?

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time for F S M hell

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there's an UWP app for this, right?

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:01 PM

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yeah, i posted it a while back

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like....december?

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:02 PM

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do I compile it

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and then run?

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/388860248821071887/Hollow_Knight_FSM_Viewer_2_0.2.1.0_Test.zip found

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it

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:06 PM

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the only thing you have to do is enable sideloading of apps in windows

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otherwise I think just unzip and run and it will "install" it like a windows store app

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it has a terrible icon too 😃

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:06 PM

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re

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buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:06 PM

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but it works

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boy, that's helpful

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"unspecified error" thanks microsoft

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:07 PM

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microsoft has the best errors clearly

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 6:07 PM

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I'm gonna kick the Mac version of HK

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Why won't you work

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:07 PM

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alcana, inside the app, where does the randomizer folder currently reside?

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:08 PM

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🤔

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developer mode also doesn't work

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:09 PM

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what version of 10 are you on? spring update or fall update?

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:09 PM

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uh

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1607

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 6:10 PM

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Currently nowhere as I have taken it out to put it somewhere else in HK

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:10 PM

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my new plan

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is because I have SYSTEM powershell

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is to run it from there

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 6:10 PM

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And I gotta go do a thing, so I can't mess with it right now

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:10 PM

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hehe

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when someone says you can't get root on windows

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:11 PM

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hehe

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well @charred compass when you want to tackle it again, tag me

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and i'll try and help

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Alright

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:11 PM

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@copper nacelle lemme load it up, wondering if it's targeting the fall update which would be why it's failing

charred compass Jan 27, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Thanks

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:12 PM

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alright

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I got a better error tho

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:12 PM

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lol

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:12 PM

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re it hates system

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buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:12 PM

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i wonder if you have to reboot after turning on sideloading

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:12 PM

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and when I did runas /user:username .\Add-AppDevPackage.ps1 it says "Access is denied"

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already had dev-mode on before

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:13 PM

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ah

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:14 PM

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do I need something

📎 unknown.png

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:14 PM

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ah, yeah, ok, so 1607, is lower than the target, lemme try changing it to that, sec

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:14 PM

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alright

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:15 PM

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you'd think windows would be able to say, "oh the target version for this app is 1709 (fall creators update), but you have 1607 (spring creators update)"

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instead of "it broke"

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:15 PM

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lol

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"Unspecified error"

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:17 PM

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Try this

📎 Hollow_Knight_FSM_Viewer_2_0.2.2.0_Test.zip

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:17 PM

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nice

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worked

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or it says it did

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yeah it worked

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thanks

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:18 PM

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yup

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basically just point it at the folder with your dumped fsms, then you can search and pick them without haveing to manually edit the json for each one you want to look at

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:18 PM

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that is beautiful

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so to open I would want mender state as 2?

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also holy shit this is amazing

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:20 PM

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lol, it works, though it's laggy if you load up some of the large FSMs

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the ones that have like 50 things on them with a billion lines

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and yeah, seems like mender state needs to be 2

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though, why it's "2" and not a true/false state, thinkgrub

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:23 PM

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tfw hasMenderKey and menderDoorOpened mean nothing

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yess

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thanks again

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@fair rampart for those who don't hate menderbug

📎 MenderFriend.dll

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is this too shitty to put in the drive

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Wyza#1337

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🤔

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:32 PM

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mmmhmmm

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nitro ftw

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:33 PM

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is menderfriend too shitty to put in the drive or no

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:37 PM

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what does it do?

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:37 PM

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makes it so you don't have to kill menderfriend

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it's pretty bad except it works

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:38 PM

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you don't have to kill him anyway do you?

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i mean, what's the gain?

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 6:39 PM

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you get to snoop in his house

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tbf it's pretty useless

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 6:56 PM

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honestly, probably doesn't need to be on the drive, if someone asks, we can just tell them to search for it,

soft rain Jan 27, 2018, 7:49 PM

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@charred compass I'm on mac too, Randomizer/ goes beside hollow_knight.app, not inside

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 8:08 PM

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perhaps a screenshot of the folder view would be helpful 😃

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for folks

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 8:22 PM

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is there any on death hook?

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also how do I show something in the corner

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 8:23 PM

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there is not a death hook that i know of

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"show something in the corner" is rather vague 😉

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 8:24 PM

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like text

rain cedar Jan 27, 2018, 8:24 PM

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Death hook would be useful for debug mod as well

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 8:24 PM

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also gonna try onBool for soulLimited

rain cedar Jan 27, 2018, 8:24 PM

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Currently just constantly checking if health <= 0 and gameplay scene

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 8:24 PM

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that's a better idea than mine I think

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 8:28 PM

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as far as writing text goes

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look at canvasutil

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and um

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there is a thing

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 8:30 PM

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?

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also do I need a reference for canvasutil?

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found it

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was ui

hazy sentinel Jan 27, 2018, 8:31 PM

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I don't know what I'm doing https://youtu.be/c40y5PSH-sw

YouTube

Verulean

Hollow Knight Tutorial: Installing Mods - YouTube

Hollow Knight Discord: https://discord.me/hollowknight

▶ Play video

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 8:32 PM

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look at the Console.cs

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it's what draws the debug console

hollow pier Jan 27, 2018, 8:32 PM

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play lightbringer

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 8:32 PM

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it's fairly simple as text goes

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 8:32 PM

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where should I get that

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api github?

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 8:33 PM

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yeah

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 8:35 PM

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uh
I added console and it says console doesn't exist when I do
using Consol

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 8:35 PM

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well you wouldn't use the console

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i'm just saying look at the console for an example of how to write text

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 8:35 PM

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oh

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how do I not fail at DontDestroyOnLoad

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it says can't be used as a method

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 8:38 PM

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does your class inherit from monobehavior?

copper nacelle Jan 27, 2018, 8:38 PM

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no

buoyant wasp Jan 27, 2018, 8:38 PM

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well, a display class needs to 😉

charred compass Jan 28, 2018, 1:02 AM

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@soft rain thank you so much

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It finally works

soft rain Jan 28, 2018, 1:03 AM

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You're welcome :)

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:04 AM

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Christ, going without mantis claws and desolate dive is getting tough... running out of options with Randomizer here

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really makes you appreciate random flying enemies

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 1:07 AM

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hehe

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i wish mantis claw wasn't such a key item

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:09 AM

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yeah, really, it's surprisingly important

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if only every area had just one flying enemy hanging about, it could be brute forced

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but without it i'm locked out of nosk and shade cloak, and others

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 1:26 AM

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well, and locked out of finishing the game

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technically you're only locked out of shade cloak if you don't find shade cloak somewhere else

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you can actually get to a large % of the items without claw

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and nosk never has an item, so that really doesn't matter

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(also, while it's not in the logic, you can get shade cloak without shade cloak or claw using a pogo on your shade, but that sucks to do)

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:31 AM

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ohhh, that's right, makes sense

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I might have to do that

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does randomizer change collector's map?

leaden hedge Jan 28, 2018, 1:34 AM

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No

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 1:36 AM

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well, like i said, that isn't in the logic

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so if you ahve to go there, and do that, you're sequence breaking,

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which isn't a problem, but it also means there is another option somewhere

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:44 AM

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i'm unsure what sequence breaking means

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but oh well, then I guess I wont go there

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what about the pale ore from trial of the conqueror? does that randomize?

hazy sentinel Jan 28, 2018, 1:48 AM

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no

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:48 AM

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shit

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 1:48 AM

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it means, the randomizer didn't indend you to need to go and do something

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:48 AM

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Ah

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 1:48 AM

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none of the ores randomize

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none of the keys randomize

hazy sentinel Jan 28, 2018, 1:48 AM

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what if

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the ores randomize, but the pool is only the pale ores

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 1:49 AM

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the relics only randomize within themselves

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:49 AM

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Ah, I thought the ores did because the seer gave me one, forget she does that normally

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 1:50 AM

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the seer's stuff is never required

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:50 AM

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ah

tranquil meteor Jan 28, 2018, 1:50 AM

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is there any mod to give me infinite charm notches or to allow me to equip all charms

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:50 AM

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well I'm not sure what to do, I feel like I'm running out of options

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 1:51 AM

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what do you have currently?

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 1:51 AM

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Claw allows you to get pretty much everywhere

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:51 AM

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I have dash, isma's, wings, crystal heart, dreamgate, vengeful spirit, and a buttload of charms

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 1:52 AM

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Do you have dream nail?

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:52 AM

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Oh, ya

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 1:53 AM

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Playing on hard?

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:53 AM

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I think so yes

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 1:53 AM

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Well... You can get spore shroom, clear out Crystal peaks, shape of inn, baldur shell, wraiths, etc etc etc

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You can do pretty much everything with wings

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 1:54 AM

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isma's is open too

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 1:54 AM

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Tru

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:54 AM

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I can clear crystal peaks without mantis claws?

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 1:54 AM

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On hard, yes

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:54 AM

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I did go to isma's, shape of unn... mmm, not sure about baldur and wraiths

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 1:55 AM

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CP without claw is frequently needed

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:55 AM

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Ah, I'll go there and figure out how to get up, then

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 1:55 AM

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Mark of pride is available too

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:55 AM

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what!

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 1:55 AM

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Spore shroom requires a shade pogo

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:55 AM

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I can't even figure out how to get to mantis lords

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 1:56 AM

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You really probably shouldn't be playing on hard. Lol. There's speedrun tech all over it

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:56 AM

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I thought I had the speedrun techniques down, guess not lel

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 1:57 AM

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Try Crystal peaks first.

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:57 AM

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Aye

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 1:57 AM

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If you can get up there, you're probably fine

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Though deep focus is fun too

hollow pier Jan 28, 2018, 1:58 AM

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just pfloat

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 1:58 AM

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deep focus is easy with CH/wings

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deep focus is fun with wings/dash only

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:58 AM

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ohhh I guess I can see how to get through CP now

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I just need to pogo squirm through the spike challenge

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 1:59 AM

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yup

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 1:59 AM

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that sounds fun

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 1:59 AM

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It is

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 2:00 AM

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so, are you saying that every Randomizer run is actually possible?

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 2:00 AM

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Crystal peaks is my favorite to do with wings

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Yes. Every rando is possible

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 2:00 AM

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i actually thought it was just like a thing that it could turn out a dead end run

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damn, that's awesome

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thanks for the advice ;O

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 2:01 AM

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as far as we know, anyway, there are no un-winnable seeds

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and all of the known ways to softlock yourself have been removed

copper nacelle Jan 28, 2018, 2:02 AM

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except float

soft rain Jan 28, 2018, 2:02 AM

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Is hollow knight released on any os other than windows and mac?

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 2:02 AM

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i locked myself in at Great Slash by sitting at the bench and didn't have CH to get out

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in a previous rando run

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 2:03 AM

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Great slash isn't randomized. I guess we didn't prevent softlock on things you don't need to check

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 2:04 AM

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Haha, makes sense

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how are the softlocks prevented?

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 2:04 AM

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And no sahler

soft rain Jan 28, 2018, 2:05 AM

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Ok so there are only 2 possible folder structures

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 2:06 AM

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Benches are removed. Platforms added. Hard saves removed. AI behavior changed. Stuff like that

soft rain Jan 28, 2018, 2:06 AM

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Also crystal peak doesn't need lantern and elder baldur in ancestral mound can be killed with nail

bright prawn Jan 28, 2018, 2:07 AM

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Damn, I had no idea the changes were that extensive

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Oh yeah I did notice the change to the first elder baldur

soft rain Jan 28, 2018, 2:07 AM

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Not the other one tho

copper nacelle Jan 28, 2018, 2:07 AM

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@soft rain Linux

soft rain Jan 28, 2018, 2:08 AM

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Do you know how the app is structured?

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on linux

livid dragon Jan 28, 2018, 2:25 AM

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When did mod support come out for Hollow Knight? Or was the API made by reverse engineers?

soft rain Jan 28, 2018, 2:28 AM

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Reverse engineered as far as I know

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 2:31 AM

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Team Cherry hasn't done any kind of mod support

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Besides warning modders that things will be changing

sharp rain Jan 28, 2018, 2:32 AM

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ive been playing boss rush mod, and i feel like starting with nothing and choosing 1 of three random upgrades is kinda frustrating

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 2:32 AM

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You can choose 2 if you take no hits

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Even choosing 1, you become pretty OP pretty quick

sharp rain Jan 28, 2018, 2:33 AM

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i kinda wish all the mobility options were available from the begining thou

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maybe im just bad thou

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 2:33 AM

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That's not even how the base game works

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You start with nothing

sharp rain Jan 28, 2018, 2:34 AM

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yeah but you dont have to fight a lot of these bosses with out at least the dash or wall jump

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 2:36 AM

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If you really want to have all movement right away, you can install debug mod and give yourself all the movement you want

sharp rain Jan 28, 2018, 2:37 AM

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ohh cool i think ill do that actually i didnt think of it

sharp rain Jan 28, 2018, 4:15 AM

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umm the game just softlocks when i beat the collector... help

vagrant leaf Jan 28, 2018, 4:17 AM

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what's spritedump?

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i just noticed that on the drive

hollow pier Jan 28, 2018, 4:19 AM

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did you use flukenest or dreamshield

sharp rain Jan 28, 2018, 4:20 AM

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yeah i have dreamshield

hollow pier Jan 28, 2018, 4:20 AM

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yeah dreamshield breaks him

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is he stuck just moping

sharp rain Jan 28, 2018, 4:21 AM

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greaaaat... its not like he was the most obnoxios boss to beat in the first place...

hollow pier Jan 28, 2018, 4:21 AM

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if he dies to fluke or dreamshield that happens

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unfortunate

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but not much you can do

sharp rain Jan 28, 2018, 4:22 AM

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i think im done with boss rush forever... lol

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what other mod is a different and interesting way to play the game?

hollow pier Jan 28, 2018, 4:23 AM

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dunno

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randomizer i think is really fun

sharp rain Jan 28, 2018, 4:26 AM

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mmm idk randomness can be bad

hollow pier Jan 28, 2018, 4:27 AM

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bonfire is a really interesting mod

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i havent tried it but it looks fun

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 4:46 AM

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boss rush is super easy atm 99% of the time

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@livid dragon - all modding to HK has been done via reverse engineering. Originally all via dnspy, now we have a more streamlined process that compiles our changes into the game's dll

fair rampart Jan 28, 2018, 5:24 AM

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Lightbringer 2.0 when

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Aspid mom when

trim grove Jan 28, 2018, 6:24 AM

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speaking of lightbringer... is gruz mother supposed to be cheeseable? as in you dont have to fight her but you can kill her? thinkgrub

buoyant obsidian Jan 28, 2018, 7:34 AM

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Nope

trim grove Jan 28, 2018, 7:39 AM

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oh. well she is

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doesn't/can't fight back at all type of cheese

solemn rivet Jan 28, 2018, 10:38 AM

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What's the cheese?

livid dragon Jan 28, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Cool @buoyant wasp - sounds very interesting :)

trim grove Jan 28, 2018, 6:49 PM

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oh woops, meant to say last night. certain types of damage doesn't wake her up, so dreamnail, flukenest, etc. so you can just 100-0 her without her waking

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 7:21 PM

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i've mused about some sort of addition to the randomizer that would give 1-3 more requirements to finish the game. right now it's dream nail + claw + (CH | Ismas). wondering if we couldn't do something where the egg wouldn't unlock unless you also picked up 1 -3 other things. which things you would need to get would change for each seed and there would be some sort of sign or conversation thing that would tell you what this seed required.

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Well we had talked about putting both kingsoul parts in the randomization

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So you could do true end runs

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Could add queens shard into the good item pool too, potentially requiring shade cloak to get a good item

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 7:47 PM

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yeah, just trying to make it so that the goal isn't always "find mantis claw" (cause really the other things are easy. there are 3 dream nails, and 2 items in CH or Ismas that you can find)

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but yeah, definitely want to get the queenshard into the mix

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wish we'd know when the next release was coming out :/

halcyon fable Jan 28, 2018, 7:59 PM

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what's the mod that shows the items you've picked up?

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 7:59 PM

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The overlay?

halcyon fable Jan 28, 2018, 7:59 PM

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yea

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 8:00 PM

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It's in pinned messages. Not a mod

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Tho you need the playerdatatracker installed

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Which is a mod

halcyon fable Jan 28, 2018, 8:01 PM

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got it

neon ocean Jan 28, 2018, 8:02 PM

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Hi ! I don't know if you will be able to help me (or even if it's an appropriate place to ask, please tell me), but I did the banishment ending (without really realizing...) and was quite sad. I would prefer to beat Nightmare King. I followed the instructions here ( https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/7azbhu/ritual_problem/ ) and modified my savefile.
Everything seems to work correctly except the grimm child doesn't appear when his charm is equipped.
I skimmed through the JSON parameters to try to find something that could be related, but couldn't find anything.
Do you have an idea ? 😃

Ritual problem • r/HollowKnight

There is really no way back after banishing ritual? I did it coz i thought that this will unlock maybe something diffrent content but this just...

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 8:07 PM

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honestly, I'd just grab a practice save

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from the 106% resources

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there should be one for just before NKG/THK with everything else

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or

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there is a save editor

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it's in the pins from KDT

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dunno if it lets you change NKG's death status tho

misty jackal Jan 28, 2018, 8:10 PM

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how do i install lightbringer

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 8:10 PM

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you don't, ever, it's the worst mod of the lot

misty jackal Jan 28, 2018, 8:10 PM

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why lol

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 8:10 PM

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i'm just giving you crap 😉

misty jackal Jan 28, 2018, 8:10 PM

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okay

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 8:11 PM

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basically

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go into the pins

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there is a link to the mods drive

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download lightbringer

misty jackal Jan 28, 2018, 8:11 PM

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what does lightbringer do? does it xhange my nail until i uninstall it?

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 8:11 PM

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and copy it on top of your install

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it basically makes the whole game based on ranged attacks

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and some other stuff

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"uninstalling" is basically going into steam and telling it to verify the game files

misty jackal Jan 28, 2018, 8:12 PM

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but thatll get rid of hpmod too

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hpbar

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right?

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 8:12 PM

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Yes

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Hpbar mod is not compatible with Lightbringer

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 8:12 PM

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yeah, lightbringer is not what we call an "API" mod

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which means lightbringer only ever works with itself and nothing else

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if a mod is an API mod, then, in theory, it can, and sometimes is, compatible with other mods

misty jackal Jan 28, 2018, 8:13 PM

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fuck that

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 8:13 PM

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lol

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complain to @buoyant obsidian for not learning to use the API hollowface

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 8:14 PM

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"not my problem"

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 8:15 PM

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no, that's @leaden hedge

young walrus Jan 28, 2018, 8:15 PM

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I know

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I just like using it

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For anything modding related.

narrow canyon Jan 28, 2018, 8:21 PM

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Does the bonfire mod not work with the latest version of the game?

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 8:21 PM

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the API version does

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i think

narrow canyon Jan 28, 2018, 8:21 PM

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Alrighty, I'll give that a try

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 8:22 PM

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search for from:Gradow has:file or check the date on the gdrive

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it should be sometime in the last 10 days i think

neon ocean Jan 28, 2018, 8:23 PM

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@buoyant wasp Thanks for your advices! I can't find the 106% resource though, do you have a link please?

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 8:24 PM

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https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources

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under "Saves"

neon ocean Jan 28, 2018, 8:28 PM

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Thanks a lot !

buoyant wasp Jan 28, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Modding API 1.2.2.1-35 - Adds BeforePlayerDeadHook and AfterPlayerDeadHook. @copper nacelle @rain cedar . No idea if this will work right, but here it is for you guys to test.

📎 ModdingAPI.zip

copper nacelle Jan 28, 2018, 9:00 PM

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ooh

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neat

solemn rivet Jan 28, 2018, 9:00 PM

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@charred brook oh yeah, I've gotta fix that

copper nacelle Jan 28, 2018, 9:00 PM

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I'll try it today

solemn rivet Jan 28, 2018, 9:00 PM

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nice Wyza!

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@charred brook try this

📎 Blackmoth.dll

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nvm

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too much soul

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brb

solemn rivet Jan 28, 2018, 9:32 PM

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Fixed

📎 Blackmoth.dll

charred brook Jan 28, 2018, 9:33 PM

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@solemn rivet okay nice 😃 ty again

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 12:22 AM

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updated bonfire and blackmoth on the gdrive

ornate rivet Jan 29, 2018, 12:39 AM

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yay

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next thing you know, TC posts new patch tomorrow

copper nacelle Jan 29, 2018, 1:33 AM

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TFW api mods using fsms and lightbringer instantly die

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*tfw

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 5:44 AM

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Nah I definitely want that patch sooner rather than later

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Sure, it'll break stuff

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But things will be much better in the long run

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 5:45 AM

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mmhmm

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well, in theory anyway 😉

copper nacelle Jan 29, 2018, 6:01 AM

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fsm replacements turn out to be way worse than fsms

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 6:05 AM

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I don't really see how that could be possible

copper nacelle Jan 29, 2018, 6:08 AM

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FSMs but redone still in gamemaker to use even more fsms

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 6:08 AM

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Every state is its own FSM and they all interact using global events

copper nacelle Jan 29, 2018, 6:09 AM

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oof

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every state and variable as it's own FSM

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like the FSMInt for the health of an enemy

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would be an entirely new fsm

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just because

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 6:32 AM

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except we still don't know for certain teh FSMs are going away anymore

leaden hedge Jan 29, 2018, 9:06 AM

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Some are, some arent

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 11:37 AM

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Guys how do I rip hk files

old saffron Jan 29, 2018, 11:41 AM

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Make a print of them

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And rip the paper

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 11:41 AM

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xd

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Ok but how do I do that with audio?

old saffron Jan 29, 2018, 11:42 AM

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You write down what you hear in the audio

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Proceed to do the same thing

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 12:01 PM

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you need UABE

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should be in the pins

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 12:02 PM

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alright thanks

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uhh

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there are so many files

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Which ones usually have audio files in them?

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 12:17 PM

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filter them to audio assets

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 12:18 PM

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Alright thanks

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 12:22 PM

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📎 unknown.png

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 12:23 PM

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Which file did oyu open?

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There are 300 level files

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 12:25 PM

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I opened the whole folder

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hollow_knight_data

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 12:26 PM

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oh

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Thanks

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:08 PM

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im having some difficulty trying to get the randomizer mod to work.

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:09 PM

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MAC or windows?

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:09 PM

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windows

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:09 PM

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hmm

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Did you install the API?

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:09 PM

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yup

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:10 PM

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Does it show up in the top left corner when you open up the game?

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:10 PM

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it did but i had the boss rush mod installed a couple of days ago

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so it would load the boss rush mod instead

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:11 PM

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Then you should take out the boss rush mod

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:12 PM

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i tried doing that but that is where i encounter the problem

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:12 PM

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Hmm

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:13 PM

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i validate the game to get it to the way it was, install the api and then the randomizer but now its not saying the randomizer is installed

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:13 PM

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Yeah

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That means its installed correctly :P

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Also you don't have to validate integrity to remove a mod

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:14 PM

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oh didnt know that

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:14 PM

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Just go to hollow_knight_Data\Managed\Mods

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and remove the bossrush.dll and put it somewhere else

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:14 PM

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alright, ill see if its working now

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:15 PM

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Alright

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:29 PM

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i dont think its working nono of the charms seem to be randomized

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:31 PM

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Can you send a screenshot of what your main menu looks like?

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:31 PM

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in game?

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:32 PM

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Ya

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:35 PM

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📎 Screenshot_1.png

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:36 PM

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Seems like you didnt install the API

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Try reinstalling it

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Then install the rando mod

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:38 PM

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of course

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:/

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its got the randomizer logo in the bottom now, i dont know why it didnt install the api the first time though

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:46 PM

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weird

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But hey now it works

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:48 PM

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not quite, its supposed to come up with a difficulty select, that isnt appearing

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:48 PM

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hmm

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You have the rando logo at the bottom right, right?

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:49 PM

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yeah

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:50 PM

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This is really weird

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:50 PM

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it also says the api and the mod is installed in the top left as well

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Go to AppData\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight and check modlog.txt

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:54 PM

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📎 Screenshot_2.png

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you mean that?

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 2:54 PM

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No there's a different thing

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 2:57 PM

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im lost

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 3:03 PM

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go to appdata

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Then to locallow, then to teamcherry, then to hollow knight

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you find all the saves there

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and there's a modlog.txt text file

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 3:11 PM

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in not able to find that

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 3:16 PM

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hmm

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not sure honestly

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 3:20 PM

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the folder just doesnt exist apparently

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 3:20 PM

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Make sure you are in appdata/locallow

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not appdata/roaming

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 3:21 PM

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i cant even find appdata to start with

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 3:21 PM

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just type %appdata% into the windows search

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 3:22 PM

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found it

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📎 Screenshot_3.png

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 3:25 PM

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have you beaten the game already?

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You need steel soul unlocked to play rando

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 3:26 PM

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oh

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u do?

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 3:26 PM

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you do

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 3:26 PM

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hahaha

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 3:26 PM

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y tho lol

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 3:26 PM

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just grab a 106% file and done

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there's a reason

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 3:26 PM

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But that also cheats the achivements

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 3:26 PM

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but we can pretend it's for spoilers

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also, achievs, yeah

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 3:27 PM

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can i just rush hollow knight and that work?

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 3:27 PM

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sure

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just unlock steel soul

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 3:27 PM

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alright ill be back with a update

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 3:33 PM

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just grab a 106% on speedrun.com

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https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources

speedrun.com

Hollow Knight - Resources

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 3:37 PM

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you need to beat the game b/c ~~the difficulty selection is on the regular/SS screen, which doesn't exist if you haven't beaten it.~~ spoilers

fair rampart Jan 29, 2018, 3:45 PM

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Ohhh

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 3:47 PM

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see? It's better to pretend the reason is because of spoilers

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 3:51 PM

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coughs yeah yeah..... lemme fix

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 3:54 PM

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jk Mick, it's just because that's what I said earlier

stray mirage Jan 29, 2018, 3:55 PM

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has nobody commented that dreamshield coop is spelled incorrectly on pinned messages?

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that's pretty strange

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@buoyant obsidian can you confirm that dreamshied is the name of the mod?

buoyant obsidian Jan 29, 2018, 3:56 PM

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...what?

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 3:56 PM

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753 descends upon us

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hollowwoke

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it's dreamshield

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Dargons simply mispelled it

buoyant obsidian Jan 29, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Dargons doesn't make mistakes

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It's Dreamshied now

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 4:01 PM

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that was a simple fix, its working now

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 4:02 PM

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Honestly the reason is "if you haven't beaten the game yet, you're going to have an exceptionally tough time beating a rando, even on easy"

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 4:03 PM

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so....... ~~git gud~~ spoilers

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 4:03 PM

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heh

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also, if you haven't beaten the game, you won't know what the items do, so you won't be able to choose them effectively

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 4:04 PM

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nah man im good, beat all the bosses in boss rush yesterday without any one the movement abilitys as it didnt give me any

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 4:05 PM

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I'm still waiting for nail0 no pickups Flukemilf

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or at least nail0 charmless melee flukemilf

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 4:06 PM

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that sounds gross

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 4:06 PM

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afaik it's the only boss that hasn't been beaten under those constraints

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(aside from NGG)

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 4:07 PM

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afaik? whats that?

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 4:07 PM

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as far as I know

viscid river Jan 29, 2018, 4:08 PM

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ah, anyways thanks for teh help guys!

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 4:08 PM

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np have fun!

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 6:01 PM

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oh, this is interesting....hmmm

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https://github.com/0xd4d/dnSpy/wiki/Debugging-Unity-Games

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apparently they figured out how to attach to running unity games to do debugging, that could prove useful for modding...

proven lagoon Jan 29, 2018, 6:12 PM

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hm

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what does randomizer do?

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 6:12 PM

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randomizes

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things

proven lagoon Jan 29, 2018, 6:12 PM

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like.. what?

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 6:12 PM

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items

proven lagoon Jan 29, 2018, 6:12 PM

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is it only items?

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 6:13 PM

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well it doesn't randomize enemies if that's what you mean

proven lagoon Jan 29, 2018, 6:13 PM

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no i'm asking what does it randomize?

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 6:13 PM

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spells, charms, movement items, and relics(in their own pool)

proven lagoon Jan 29, 2018, 6:13 PM

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ah

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 6:13 PM

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and dream nail

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and gate

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and awoken

proven lagoon Jan 29, 2018, 6:14 PM

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huh

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 6:29 PM

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it doesn't randomize: Nail Arts, QueenSoul/KingSoul/VoidSoul, Keys, or Eggs.

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 6:29 PM

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or ore or masks/vessels

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or grubs. lol

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that'd be hilarious tho

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 6:32 PM

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yeah, someday i wanna write the logic for an "insanity" mode. the kind of mode you play once and never again because it's cancer

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where everything is randomized

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 6:37 PM

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eff that

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lol

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i mean, it'd just be like a 106%

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though.... you could purposefully place items to make it as bad as possible

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like what that one dude did with a custom ALTTP seed

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took top players like 6 hours to beat

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 6:52 PM

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combine that with enemy randomizer and exit randomizer and it'd be hilariously painful

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like i said, you'd play it once and never again

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 6:55 PM

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oh god

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we really need to map out the room randomizer

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i would play the shit out of that

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 6:57 PM

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i think the biggest difficulty is just that you have to go into every single room in the game, and figure out which exits require which abilities to get through

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:00 PM

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yeah

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very iterative process

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we should set up an excel/google docs sheet so we can start

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and multiple people can work on it

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just need debug on to see the room names and you're good to go

solemn rivet Jan 29, 2018, 7:12 PM

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I would work on that

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 7:12 PM

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think we'd need to add something to mark the names of the transitions too, don't think debug has that presently

exotic venture Jan 29, 2018, 7:14 PM

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yo @leaden hedge, does More Saves still work?

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 7:15 PM

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there is a newer version, but yes, it works

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:21 PM

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I think scene name, exit name, and which scene it goes to is descriptive enough

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So something like Tutorial_01, right1, Town

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:27 PM

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don't the transitions have names?

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thought they did

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would we also need info on every transition to every other one?

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like.... spire for instance

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would we need to assume you'd get stuck at the bottom

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Yes, that's why it's such a pain in the ass

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:29 PM

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since arguably, you'd have to get back up top

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if you reached a dead end somewhere else

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:29 PM

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And the transition names are just useless things like right1, top1, etc

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:29 PM

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kk

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going clockwise?

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so top1 would be left of top2?

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easy enough convention

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:30 PM

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I don't think it's any logical order for numbering

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It's just whichever order TC made them

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:30 PM

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would that matter for coding?

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i would assume yes

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Not as long as we know which is which

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:31 PM

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just saying for the ease of multiple people working on this, that we could conventionalize transition names ourselves

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:31 PM

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That's easier for everyone except the coders

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 7:31 PM

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well, we'd have 2 columns, 1 for the actual real name, and another for some sort of short description that is useful

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imo

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:31 PM

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well that's what i'm asking

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lol

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if we can detect the real name with debug, then we can just use that

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then that makes coding the randomization much easier

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and i'd think we'd want to make it a rule that your character would be in the worst room spot possible

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aka.... if you enter from the top, it has to be a requirement to make it all the way back up there

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 7:33 PM

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yeah

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:33 PM

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prevent dead ends and soft locks that way

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:33 PM

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I guess that's better than making the player quit out constantly

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:34 PM

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i think spire would be a good example room though, you could get from the top left one to the top right with just dash, but we'd have to assume you could fall down, so going from top left to top right would have to include wings or claw

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that way, each room only has 1 set of conditions.

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makes it a lot easier probably for coding too

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Nah the code part of this is gonna be easy no matter what we do

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As long as everything is documented in a consistent way

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:36 PM

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that would change spire coding from 12 conditions down to 4.

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for how to get to each one

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i guess maybe we could include both? just be exhaustive from the start?

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 7:36 PM

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which room is spire?

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:36 PM

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the one with giant husk

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arena

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 7:37 PM

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ah

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Speaking of that, the bench room is the same as the hallway room

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:37 PM

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the one with the first elevator clip

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:37 PM

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But they're effectively different

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:37 PM

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but the transition isn't

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:37 PM

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But if we're doing it how you said with one set of items required to fully traverse a room

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That's an exception where that won't work

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:37 PM

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then it's like 2 rooms

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yeah i see what you mean

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may as well be exhaustive then

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also.... would leaving through a transition take you back where you came

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like that bench room

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or would it move you on to the next random load

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:39 PM

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We could do it both ways

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Lttp room randomizer has both

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 7:39 PM

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yup

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:39 PM

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kk

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 7:39 PM

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"easy" is that the exits are bound

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going back where you came takes you back to the original room

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but you could decouple them

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:39 PM

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we'd almost need different categories

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 7:39 PM

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i think they call it Chaos mode

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:40 PM

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easy/hard, and coupled/decoupled

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 7:40 PM

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in ALTTP

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:40 PM

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or whatever we wanna call it

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 7:40 PM

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decoupled would be brutal hard 😉

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cause yeah

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:40 PM

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not really, just more of a maze

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 7:41 PM

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taking notes would be a must for most folks at that point

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:41 PM

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it's the same as OoT beta quest

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:41 PM

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There's like 1000 exits in the game minimum

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Definitely take notes

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:42 PM

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also slightly related, we should revamp the bingo system

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or just make a new site or something

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:42 PM

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The current site is fine, I think

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It's just really hard to get a well balanced and large set of goals

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:43 PM

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just thinking with room randomizers, could be really fun to do a lockout style bingo or something

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which that site currently doesn't support

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can't have 2 people on the same card right now

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 7:44 PM

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Yeah, could be worth doing

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So you don't have to tell each other what you get

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 7:44 PM

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that was super annoying when we did that

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okay, i'm exaggerating a bit

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we'd need the functionality of both i think

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one where 2 or more players are on the same card

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and one where everyone can get the same card, but each is instanced

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anyways..... i think i might set up a google doc for this for people to fill out and leave it open

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l1BbXS3BCmuyfqUjKzc_XBNXRmnMvYo7n-kiQzeoApU/edit?usp=sharing Room Randomizer Mapping

https://pastebin.com/pv7tL5bn

Room Randomizer load zones list

Google Docs

Hollow Knight Room Randomizer

Examples/ Formatting/ Master Sheet

Hard Mode, Easy Mode, Baldur Kill Items, Areas Yet to Finish Mapping
Room Name, Entrance, Exit, Requirement( s), Requirement( s), Name, Notation, Grub Elegy, Mark of Pride, Howling Cliffs, Resting Grounds
Ex...

Pastebin

Tutorial_01 top1 -> Cliffs_02 (top, (34.5, 93.5)) right1...

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it's open to anyone to make edits

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filling in some example notation stuffs RN

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so we're all on the same page

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 8:09 PM

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Later today I'll try getting all the scene and exit names to put on there

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 8:09 PM

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how do you want to notate conditions

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like.... with | or /

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or do you separate possible conditions with | , and then any OR items within each condition would have /

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^ i think this looks cleanest

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I think tonight's stream will consist mostly of going through areas and determining exit conditions

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 8:15 PM

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It doesn't really matter how you format it, just make it consistent

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 8:16 PM

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tru

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should i restrict edit access unless people request it?

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probably....

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 8:18 PM

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Yeah, generally a good idea

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But if someone vandalizes it you can revert changes

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Just more work for you that way

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 8:18 PM

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yeah. not gonna do that. if people want to edit, i can add them

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so we don't get some random person coming in and deleting everything

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 8:19 PM

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Makes sense

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 8:20 PM

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Do we want to pin that Main link to the doc?

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 8:21 PM

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Might as well

#

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 8:22 PM

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we're including White Palace, yeah? lol

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 8:23 PM

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Yeah, it'll be fun

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 8:24 PM

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some may look scary but only have 1 transition

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 8:24 PM

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Can't wait until I have to go through path of pain to get to cloak

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 8:24 PM

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lol

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you'd only have to go thru 1 part

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so.... how to handle shortcuts

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 8:28 PM

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We'd have to either have them always open or not randomized

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Second option is lame

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 8:28 PM

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hmm.....

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we can't account for "lever" conditions

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??

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like.... the room below CoT Storage rooms stag

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if you enter from the bottom there, there's a "lever" condition to reach other ones

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 8:30 PM

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That's different than what I mean

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That one is fine

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I mean places like after vs

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Where the actual transition is blocked and you would be fucked if you went in

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 8:30 PM

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oh like that gate

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cuz yeah, VS grab is a transition

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technically

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same with bench sit in distant village

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 8:31 PM

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No the door you open to get back to crossroads

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After getting vs

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 8:31 PM

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oh i see

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yeah where you'd be locked in the wall

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shortcuts like that should always be open i think. would make more sense

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it's gonna be hard as balls already anyways

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may as well just open them by default

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 8:43 PM

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or mawlek,

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guess you can finally code king/queen soul now 😛

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 8:44 PM

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Loading scenes directly has some interesting effects

📎 unknown.png

turbid blaze Jan 29, 2018, 8:44 PM

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Can i ask a question? I am playing the boss rush mod now. It's pretty cool. Should I be worried for my saves when it is on? and can I turn it off without messing with the randomizer mod?

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 8:44 PM

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lol

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bossrush doesn't save at all, which is why it hides them

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 8:45 PM

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well that's a fun problem

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didn't we figure out that the game loads the character super far bottom left before placing into the actual scene?

rain cedar Jan 29, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Well anyway here's a little thing that takes you to the next scene by build index starting from 0 when you press caps lock

📎 RoomRandomizerHelper.dll

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Pretty much useless without debug mod

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I don't have time right now to make a more complicated helper than that

turbid blaze Jan 29, 2018, 9:06 PM

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So can I remove boss rush without removing randomizer? or should i just verify files and reinstall randomizer after im done?

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 9:11 PM

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go into the mods folder

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and create a subfolder there

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then to turn specific mods on/off

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just move them in and out of that subfolder

turbid blaze Jan 29, 2018, 9:11 PM

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cool thanks!

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 9:12 PM

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or, for the newest versions of both the API and bossrush, you can do 1 better

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 9:12 PM

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the api checks if there's mods in the mods folder, but won't check any sub folders

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 9:12 PM

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in the main menu

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 9:12 PM

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oh is the options thing live now?

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Options->mods->boss rush

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yeah

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you'll have to restart the game after turning it off

turbid blaze Jan 29, 2018, 9:12 PM

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that mods thing appears empty

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I guess im doing something wrong

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 9:12 PM

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hmm, i thought he had put it into BR

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maybe not

turbid blaze Jan 29, 2018, 9:12 PM

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I just copied everything in hollow knight _Data

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 9:13 PM

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look in the upper left hand corner, it'll tell you which mods are loaded

turbid blaze Jan 29, 2018, 9:13 PM

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yeah that says boss rush and randomizer

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 9:14 PM

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what version of boss rush?

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and what version of the API

turbid blaze Jan 29, 2018, 9:14 PM

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ah it is not the newest indeed

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i cant count and though 1.2.1.4 is a higher number than 1.2.2.1

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for boss rush

buoyant wasp Jan 29, 2018, 9:15 PM

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I know randomizer doesn't show up in the mods menu yet, but you can toggle bossrush off/on with it

turbid blaze Jan 29, 2018, 9:15 PM

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cool

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hmm i copied in the newer version of boss rush. but it doesnt show in the Mods menu 😦

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modding api 1.2.2.1-34
boss rush 0.9.6565.25678
randomizer 1.5.1 (xml 1.3.1)

young walrus Jan 29, 2018, 9:18 PM

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newest version might not be on the drive

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i'd just deactivate it for now by moving it in the mods folder

turbid blaze Jan 29, 2018, 9:19 PM

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this was from the drive yes.

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well thansk for the help. Ill keep an eye out for updates

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 12:18 AM

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what's the criteria for requirements to reach an exit? Would fireball be considered a possibility to reach Fungal through Fog Canyon?

buoyant wasp Jan 30, 2018, 12:19 AM

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it'll probably a per trick decision

hazy sentinel Jan 30, 2018, 12:19 AM

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nice verb subject agreement

buoyant wasp Jan 30, 2018, 12:20 AM

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consider that technically you can get to glowing womb without CH, but it's not in the logic

hazy sentinel Jan 30, 2018, 12:20 AM

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just make heart always spawn at glowing womb intenseface

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 12:21 AM

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unless it's like Rando and you can choose "speedrunner mode" or something to include seeds which require tricks

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I'm just asking because I'd like to help mapping out the scene transitions for a map randomizer, but idk if I should include "tricks" or not

buoyant wasp Jan 30, 2018, 12:26 AM

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in general, make it as hard, it's easier to to tune down the requirements imo

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or put both, a "easy" and a "hard" column

young walrus Jan 30, 2018, 12:27 AM

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^ i included an easy and hard column

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 12:28 AM

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nice

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may I ask permission to edit the spreadsheet?

young walrus Jan 30, 2018, 12:30 AM

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should be able to click a button on it and it'll send me a request

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.....i think

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 12:30 AM

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oh ok

young walrus Jan 30, 2018, 12:30 AM

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otherwise just PM me your email and i'll add it to the list

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 12:49 AM

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how do I do FSMContains for Grimmchild,Grimmchild,Control

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does it do the whole thing or just the 3rd part

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because I had fsmcontains for health_manager/health_manager_enemy before

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*ContainsFSM

hazy sentinel Jan 30, 2018, 12:50 AM

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"shouldn't take more than 5 min" -56, 1/29/2018, 19:45 EST

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 12:50 AM

#

re

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5 minutes my time

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is clearly

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5-15 minutes irl

hollow pier Jan 30, 2018, 12:51 AM

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hyperbolic 56 chamber

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 12:57 AM

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here's how it's done in bonfire, 56:

#

PlayMakerFSM playMakerFSM = FSMUtility.LocateFSM(go, "health_manager_enemy");```

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 12:57 AM

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ik about that part

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that's what I do for hell mod

#

but like

hazy sentinel Jan 30, 2018, 12:58 AM

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are you still not done

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 12:58 AM

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Boss,Grimm Boss,health_manager_enemy

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how do I sort by the 2nd part

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or the 1st one

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 12:58 AM

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oh

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got it

#

never figured that out, tbh

#

I always figured the 2nd one was just fsm.name

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 1:00 AM

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ooh

#

thanks

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:01 AM

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or maybe go.name

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can't remember which

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 1:02 AM

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either works for me

#

because

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Grimmchild,Grimmchild,Control

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:02 AM

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here's how Wyza did it in spellDamage() in bonfire:

#

if (fsm != null)
            {
                Log($"Setting Damage for {go.name} - {fsm.name}");
                FsmInt value = fsm.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("damageDealt");
                if (value != null)
                {
                    Log($"Spell name: {go.name} - {fsm.name}. Damage: {value.Value}");
                    value.Value = ls.SpellDamage(value.Value, Settings.IntelligenceStat);
                    Log($"Set Damage for {go.name} - {fsm.name} to {value.Value}");
                }
            }```

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 1:03 AM

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hmm

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probably go.name is 1st

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because it's

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Hero Spell,Fireball2 Spiral,Fireball Control

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and such

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:03 AM

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yeah

#

well, hope that helps!

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 1:06 AM

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it does

#

thanks!

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:11 AM

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now

#

to fix this...

#

[ERROR]:[API] - System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at Modding.ModHooks.OnDashPressed () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
[ERROR]:[API] - System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at Modding.ModHooks.OnDashPressed () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
[ERROR]:[API] - System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at Modding.ModHooks.OnDashPressed () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
...```

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 1:12 AM

#

oof

#

try except /s

#

NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object

#

oh no

#

actually that might not be mine

#

or it might be but for hell mod

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:15 AM

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that's for blackmoth

#

it makes no sense tbh

#

the only thing I did was add

if (PlayerData.instance.hasShadowDash)
{
    HeroController.instance.AddMPChargeSpa(3);
}```

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 1:16 AM

#

when is it

#

like what hook

#

apparently

#

I forgot to set the action number

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:17 AM

#

it's running amongst a lot of HeroController.instance and PlayerData.instance...

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 1:17 AM

#

oh what

#

that's weird af

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:18 AM

#

the only think I think might be wrong is that, for some reason, hasShadowDash doesn't exist (although it auto-completes)

#

I'll check if canShadowDash works

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 1:20 AM

#

that's a good idea

#

also

#

I shouldn't be using oncollidercreate

#

because you can't collide with grimmchild

#

maybe scene load and gameobject.find?

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:21 AM

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I used to check for objects on scene load

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 1:22 AM

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used to?

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:22 AM

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for some reason, Wyza now checks for spells using ModHooks.Instance.OnGetEventSenderHook += SpellDamage;

#

and it works waaaay better

#

tho I have no idea how that hook works

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 1:23 AM

#

hm

#

I'll try that if this doesn't work

#

ahh

#

I killed grimmchild

#

idk how

#

but it's gone

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:24 AM

#

okay

#

canShadowDash doesn't work

#

and now that I look at it

#

that NRE isn't being created by any blackmoth methods

#

unlike ```csharp
[ERROR]:[API] - Failed to unload Mod - BonfireMod -

System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
at BonfireMod.BonfireMod.Unload () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Modding.ModLoader.UnloadMod (ITogglableMod mod) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 ``` for instance

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 1:25 AM

#

wait

#

I think I have one of those too

#

except that one's just me

#

nevermind

#

NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object

#

didn't find grimmchild

#

Grimmchild(Clone)

#

wot

#

this is in output_log

#

FSM not Preprocessed: Grimmchild(Clone) : Control

#

🤔

#

event sender is something about spells

#

<member name="M:Modding.ModHooks.OnGetEventSender(UnityEngine.GameObject,HutongGames.PlayMaker.Fsm)">
            <summary>
            Called whenever the FSM OnGetEvent is ran (only done during attacks/spells right now).  
            </summary>
</member>

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:30 AM

#

oh

#

sadgrub

#

such a weird fsm too

buoyant wasp Jan 30, 2018, 1:32 AM

#

currently the catches around the hook calls don't include mod name

#

mostly because I don't have a good way to print the name

#

or at least, i haven't figured out a good way, i haven't really looked

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:33 AM

#

hm...

#

I'll remove this latest addition completely and see what happens, maybe it was always giving nres?

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 1:33 AM

#

help

#

my mod kills grimmchild

#

idk why because it never finds it too

hazy sentinel Jan 30, 2018, 1:34 AM

#

5 m i n u t e s

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 1:34 AM

#

rip 5 minutes

hazy sentinel Jan 30, 2018, 1:34 AM

#

49 minutes is basically 5

copper nacelle Jan 30, 2018, 1:35 AM

#

correct

buoyant wasp Jan 30, 2018, 1:35 AM

#

it's possible, basically I changed it so that every single hook call is wrapped in a try catch

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:42 AM

#

that doesn't help me

#

because it IS running the hook

#

I get the desired effect

#

even though I get the NRE

#

[ERROR]:[API] - System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at Modding.ModHooks.OnDashPressed () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
[ERROR]:[API] - System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at Modding.ModHooks.OnDashPressed () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
[ERROR]:[API] - System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at Modding.ModHooks.OnDashPressed () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
[ERROR]:[API] - System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at Modding.ModHooks.OnDashPressed () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
[ERROR]:[API] - System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at Modding.ModHooks.OnDashPressed () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 ```

#

it's not what I added that's causing it

#

weird that output_log doesn't get any nre's

buoyant wasp Jan 30, 2018, 1:55 AM

#

are there any other mods loaded?

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:55 AM

#

debug

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I put 6 "checkpoints" to see how far into the mehtod it was going before getting the null reference

#

it printed out all 6

#

and "6" was just before the closing bracket

#

noot

buoyant wasp Jan 30, 2018, 1:56 AM

#

i suppose something in debug could be it

#

or it could be a bug in the api

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 1:57 AM

#

lemme check

#

nope

#

still getting the nre's

#

maybe it is in API...

#

well, gotta go now

#

later!

buoyant wasp Jan 30, 2018, 2:00 AM

#

later

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 2:03 AM

#

just one last try

#

I commented out the whole method

#

and it still gives nres

buoyant wasp Jan 30, 2018, 2:04 AM

#

you could try changing the logging level to the lowest (0)

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 2:05 AM

#

how do I do that again?

buoyant wasp Jan 30, 2018, 2:05 AM

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it's in the saves folder for the global settings json

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should be 2 settings in there, one for enabling the on screen console and one for logging level

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 2:06 AM

#

got it

buoyant wasp Jan 30, 2018, 2:08 AM

#

Also, look and make sure there isn't any "Adding DashPressedHook" in the modlog. I can't see how there would be if there are no mods but...

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 2:09 AM

#

📎 ModLog.txt

#

nada

buoyant wasp Jan 30, 2018, 2:10 AM

#

uhm

#

[DEBUG]:[Blackmoth] - Adding DashPressedHook

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 2:10 AM

#

that's with blackmoth

#

ModHooks.Instance.DashPressedHook += CheckForDash;

#

but

public void CheckForDash()
{
}```

#

and it still gives nre

#

(and I don't even get to dash to test this out sadgrub )

#

I'm on -34

#

shouldn't be an issue tho

buoyant wasp Jan 30, 2018, 2:14 AM

#

😦

#

i'll try to look later

#

i don't know why it would be doing that

solemn rivet Jan 30, 2018, 2:15 AM

#

sorry to bother you...

#

and I really gotta go now

#

later!