#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 48

rain cedar Jan 7, 2018, 8:49 PM

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It's winter

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 8:49 PM

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how's the on-screen debug going?

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 8:52 PM

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wyza is working on it rn

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for the console

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:03 PM

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do i need to set DontDestroyOnLoad for CreateTextPanel?

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hmm

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well

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it's a start

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looks horrible, but i have text....

📎 unknown.png

copper nacelle Jan 7, 2018, 9:19 PM

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beautiful

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 9:19 PM

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what are you writing exactly? Everything in modlog?

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:19 PM

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basically

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 9:19 PM

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hmm

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:19 PM

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that way you can do logging

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and have it show up while working on coding

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it's an in-game tail

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basically

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 9:20 PM

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yeah

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that's nice

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better than keeping it open in n++

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:20 PM

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indeed

copper nacelle Jan 7, 2018, 9:20 PM

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better than re-opening it every 10 seconds in notepad

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:20 PM

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or that

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 9:21 PM

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it would also be useful to include relevant logs from output_log

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but I guess that'd be too hard

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:21 PM

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"relevant"

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 9:21 PM

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because more it's mostly garbage

copper nacelle Jan 7, 2018, 9:21 PM

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relevant

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more like

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FSM not processed

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 9:21 PM

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yeah

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:21 PM

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just put try/catch around anything that fails so that you can always log it to modlog 😛

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 9:22 PM

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god, no

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that'd be awful

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I can just try not to suck

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and fail miserably at it

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and put try/catch around stuff till it doesn't break anymore

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:23 PM

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doing this, i finally have a reason to put a try/catch around all the hook calls

rain cedar Jan 7, 2018, 9:24 PM

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That's not how you're meant to use try/catch, though

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Clearly you're meant to have purposeful exceptions to use them as control flow

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:24 PM

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yeah, catching is for unhandled exceptions

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😛

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@leaden hedge - One thing is that textpanel doesn't seem to show until you are actually in game, any chance to make it show in the main menu?

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 9:36 PM

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it should show in main menu

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:38 PM

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yeah, not sure why, but it doesn't. also the Start() method on the behavior doesn't seem to start until much later than I expected. Like, all of the mods finish loading before it starts

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but i know that the GameObject code is getting called because i log when it tries to add text and when it starts

vagrant leaf Jan 7, 2018, 9:41 PM

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i just found a really weird bug with blackmoth

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whenever you switch charms the dash damage is weakened significantly

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 9:41 PM

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oh god

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do people still play that?

hazy sentinel Jan 7, 2018, 9:41 PM

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blackmoth is just a giant pile of unfixed bugs

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 9:42 PM

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^ tru dat

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which version you playing, Banana?

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API version?

vagrant leaf Jan 7, 2018, 9:42 PM

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yep

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 9:43 PM

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eh

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can you send me your modlog.txt?

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 9:43 PM

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start should trigger the frame after component is created iirc

vagrant leaf Jan 7, 2018, 9:43 PM

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where is that located

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the modlog

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 9:44 PM

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save folder

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 9:44 PM

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save folder iirc

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:44 PM

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save folder path is pinned

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btw

vagrant leaf Jan 7, 2018, 9:44 PM

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oh

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i just deleted the save

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i was gonna make a new save

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i'll put it here if the bug happens again

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:45 PM

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@leaden hedge which RenderMode should i be using?

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 9:45 PM

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sso

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:45 PM

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k, that's what i have

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 9:45 PM

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did you delete the whole folder?

vagrant leaf Jan 7, 2018, 9:46 PM

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no i deleted the save in game

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 9:46 PM

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but yeah that behaviour isnt canvas util

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something else weird is going on

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 9:46 PM

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it shouldn't matter

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:46 PM

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i suppose that the "next frame" could very well be after the mods finish loading

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 9:46 PM

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unless you closed and reopened the game, it should still be fine

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 9:47 PM

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might be

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:47 PM

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though, i don't know why it wouldn't show up in the menu

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cause clearly we have frames at that point

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 9:48 PM

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not sure show me your code

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:48 PM

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internal class Console : MonoBehaviour
    {
        public static GameObject OverlayCanvas;
        private static GameObject _textPanel;
        private List<string> messages = new List<string>(20);

        public void Start()
        {
            Debug.Log("Console.Start");
            DontDestroyOnLoad(gameObject);

            if (OverlayCanvas == null) { 
                CanvasUtil.CreateFonts();
                OverlayCanvas = CanvasUtil.CreateCanvas(RenderMode.ScreenSpaceOverlay, new Vector2(1920, 1080));
                OverlayCanvas.name = "ModdingApiConsoleLog";
                DontDestroyOnLoad(OverlayCanvas);
                _textPanel = CanvasUtil.CreateTextPanel(OverlayCanvas, string.Empty, 12, TextAnchor.UpperLeft,
                    new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(1920, 400), new Vector2(200, 680)), false);
                Debug.Log("Overlay Created");
            }
        }

        public void AddText(string message)
        {
            Debug.Log("Attempting to log to console:" + message);

            if (_textPanel != null)
            {
                if (messages.Count > 19)
                    messages.RemoveAt(0);
                messages.Add(message);
                _textPanel.GetComponent<UnityEngine.UI.Text>().text = string.Join(string.Empty, messages.ToArray());
            }
        }
    }

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and then

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        private Console _console;

        internal void LogConsole(string message)
        {
            try
            {
                if (GlobalSettings.ShowDebugLogInGame)
                {
                    if (_console == null)
                    {
                        GameObject go = new GameObject();
                        UnityEngine.Object.DontDestroyOnLoad(go);
                        _console = go.AddComponent<Console>();
                    }

                    _console.AddText(message);
                }
            }
            catch (Exception ex)
            {
                Debug.LogException(ex);
            }
        }

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that's in ModHooks.cs

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📎 output_log.txt

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in here you can see that the "Attempting to log to console" message shows up a ton before the "Console.Start" message

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 9:54 PM

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odd shouldn't make a real difference though as it wouldn't even update the text until all mods are loaded anyway

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:55 PM

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well, mostly cause we have mods that affect the menu (more saves)

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so it'd be nice to show it there, just don't know why it wants to not show

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 9:56 PM

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and without doing any thing it works once you load a save?

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 9:56 PM

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yup

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also, i pulled canvas util from bossrush

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so

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i am assuming that's the most recent

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 9:57 PM

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📎 CanvasUtil.cs

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should be the same

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:02 PM

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oh, i bet i know what's going on.....hmm, sec

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nope, was just thinking it wasn't showing cause nothing got logged after it was created, but that isn't it. is there an "after start" method?

rain cedar Jan 7, 2018, 10:06 PM

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Maybe awake?

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:08 PM

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awake gets called whenever it gets enabled

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I'd just create the canvas after _canvas == null

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then just give the console class a reference to the canvas you created

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:10 PM

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hmm

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k

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but doesn't that just move the problem?

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:11 PM

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actually

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try doing

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        public static Sprite createMonoColourSprite(byte[] col)
        {
            Texture2D tex = new Texture2D(1, 1);
            tex.LoadRawTextureData(col);
            tex.Apply();
            return Sprite.Create(tex, new Rect(0, 0, 1, 1), Vector2.zero);
        }

then add an Image to both your canvas and text object

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so

Image imgCanvas = _canvas.AddComponent<Image>();
imgCanvas.sprite = createMonoColourSprite(new byte[]{ 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF} );

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and your canvas should be white

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and do the same for text

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but pick a different colour

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so you can check its actually being drawn

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:15 PM

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k

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well

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canvas is definitely getting drawn

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📎 unknown.png

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i'm assuming the first 3 bytes are RGB?

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:16 PM

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yes

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RGBA

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:17 PM

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Image imgCanvas2 = _textPanel.AddComponent<Image>();
imgCanvas2.sprite = CreateMonoColourSprite(new byte[] { 0xFF, 0x00, 0xFF, 0xFF });

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that's what i had on the textpanel

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so it should be a purple block i'd think

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:17 PM

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it should

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turn off the canvas one

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:17 PM

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yeah

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:17 PM

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canvas might not get lined up correctly because you're not actually supposed to render stuff on that layer

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:21 PM

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hmm, textpanel doesn't seem to like that, it doesn't change anything

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📎 unknown.png

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public static Sprite CreateMonoColourSprite(byte[] col)
        {
            Texture2D tex = new Texture2D(1, 1);
            tex.LoadRawTextureData(col);
            tex.Apply();
            return Sprite.Create(tex, new Rect(0, 0, 1, 1), Vector2.zero);
        }

        public void Start()
        {
            Debug.Log("Console.Start");
            DontDestroyOnLoad(gameObject);

            if (OverlayCanvas == null) { 
                CanvasUtil.CreateFonts();
                OverlayCanvas = CanvasUtil.CreateCanvas(RenderMode.ScreenSpaceOverlay, new Vector2(1920, 1080));
                OverlayCanvas.name = "ModdingApiConsoleLog";
                //Image imgCanvas = OverlayCanvas.AddComponent<Image>();
                //imgCanvas.sprite = CreateMonoColourSprite(new byte[] { 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF });
                DontDestroyOnLoad(OverlayCanvas);
                _textPanel = CanvasUtil.CreateTextPanel(OverlayCanvas, string.Join(string.Empty, messages.ToArray()), 12, TextAnchor.UpperLeft,
                    new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(1920, 400), new Vector2(0, -400)), false);
                Image imgCanvas2 = _textPanel.AddComponent<Image>();
                imgCanvas2.sprite = CreateMonoColourSprite(new byte[] { 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF });
                Debug.Log("Overlay Created");
                
            }
        }

pearl sentinel Jan 7, 2018, 10:22 PM

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oh sweet

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i been fighting with trying to load asset bundles this weekend

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looks like that's coming along nicely though

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:23 PM

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getting there 😉

pearl sentinel Jan 7, 2018, 10:23 PM

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😄

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:24 PM

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_textPanel = CanvasUtil.CreateTextPanel(OverlayCanvas, string.Join(string.Empty, messages.ToArray()), 12, TextAnchor.UpperLeft,
new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(1920, 400), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0)), false);

maybe

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infact

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_textPanel = CanvasUtil.CreateTextPanel(OverlayCanvas, string.Join(string.Empty, messages.ToArray()), 12, TextAnchor.UpperLeft,
new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(0, 400), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(1, 0)), false);

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:26 PM

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testing

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nope, oh, i see why the background doesn't work

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Can't add 'Image' to New Game Object because a 'Text' is already added to the game object!
A GameObject can only contain one 'Graphic' component.

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:31 PM

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oh

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disable it for a second hollowface

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also

internal class Console : MonoBehaviour
    {
        public static GameObject OverlayCanvas;
        private static GameObject _textPanel;
        private List<string> messages = new List<string>(20);

        public void Start()
        {
            Debug.Log("Console.Start");
            DontDestroyOnLoad(gameObject);

            if (OverlayCanvas == null) { 
                CanvasUtil.CreateFonts();
                OverlayCanvas = CanvasUtil.CreateCanvas(RenderMode.ScreenSpaceOverlay, new Vector2(1920, 1080));
                OverlayCanvas.name = "ModdingApiConsoleLog";
                DontDestroyOnLoad(OverlayCanvas);
                _textPanel = CanvasUtil.CreateTextPanel(OverlayCanvas, string.Empty, 12, TextAnchor.UpperLeft,
                    new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(1920, 400), new Vector2(200, 680)), false);
           _textPanel.GetComponent<UnityEngine.UI.Text>().text = string.Join(string.Empty, messages.ToArray());
                Debug.Log("Overlay Created");
            }
        }

        public void AddText(string message)
        {
            Debug.Log("Attempting to log to console:" + message);
            if (messages.Count > 19)
                messages.RemoveAt(0);
            messages.Add(message);
            if (_textPanel != null)
            {
                _textPanel.GetComponent<UnityEngine.UI.Text>().text = string.Join(string.Empty, messages.ToArray());
            }
        }
    }

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wouldn't that fix it not working for stuff logged prior to creation

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:34 PM

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yeah, i thought so too, which is why i was attempting to pass in the text to use in the CreateTextPanel, but that wasn't working. I'm wondering if something else isn't afoot there though. going to log the value of messages near Overlay Created to see if perhaps unity is recreating the object when it starts and actually wiping out what was there before

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:34 PM

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yeah unity is kinda weird sometimes with gui stuff

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like it'll cache sprites to be put on the gpu until you actually render them when you use OnGUI

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so if you use lots of sprites it'll just lag like shit

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:35 PM

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it's called "helping" right?

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ok, so yes, it's getting rendered on the menu

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which means

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the problem isn't the render

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it's timing

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:36 PM

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sounds like, "it's not my problem" 😎

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:36 PM

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this time, that sounds correct 😉

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:38 PM

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yeah I'd recommend using coloured sprites to check alignment

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and that stuffs being rendered correctly

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:38 PM

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yeah

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i may enhance canvas util to have an option to have borders

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on canvases created

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:39 PM

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its part of unity

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you just need to set a thing on your sprite and image

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I think its Image.Type and Sprite.Borders

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I don't think it worked last I tried though

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I guess you could easily mimic the behaviour just using anchors

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not sure on what optimizations sliced sprites do and if that'd make lag

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:44 PM

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yay, closer, figured out the timing issue, i was checking to see if the textpanel was created before putting the message onto the list

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instead of putting the message regardless

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which is why it wasn't getting added during start

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📎 unknown.png

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now just need to get the vertical alignment right

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:46 PM

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I fixed that in my post above hollowface

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also the in-game font is nice in some places

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but IMO for dev intended tools

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arial works fine

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:47 PM

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i guess i could add an overload to CreateTextPanel that allows font

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:48 PM

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oh yeah I hardcoded it to either use normal or bold

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:49 PM

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there, done

solemn rivet Jan 7, 2018, 10:49 PM

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that's actually looking awesome, Wyza! Cheers!

copper nacelle Jan 7, 2018, 10:50 PM

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^

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:50 PM

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which one of the examples you gave did you say you fixed KDT? we have several versions of _textPanel's assignment

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floating around

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:51 PM

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oh not alignment

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the timing issue

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:51 PM

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hah, ok, yeah, we're good there now i think

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:51 PM

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do

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TextAnchor.BottomLeft

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I think its bottom left

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:51 PM

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LowerLeft

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:52 PM

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ye

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:53 PM

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now, if i wanna stick a grey background behind it

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i just create a image canvas, attaching it to the same parent canvas?

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with the sprite code?

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:53 PM

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create an image panel, then make the text the child of the image panel

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well

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you could make the both under same parent

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doesn't really matter, just gotta watch sibling order then

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 10:54 PM

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eh, if the best way is just do do nested children, i don't care really 😃

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 10:54 PM

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yeah deeper objects get rendered ontop of shallower objects

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and its much easier to sort things via depth instead of sibling order

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gotta keep an eye on your rect though

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because your anchors and sizeDelta are based off your immediate parent

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:02 PM

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hmm

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so i'm guessing I have the size or position or both wrong here

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            if (OverlayCanvas == null) { 
                CanvasUtil.CreateFonts();
                OverlayCanvas = CanvasUtil.CreateCanvas(RenderMode.ScreenSpaceOverlay, new Vector2(1920, 1080));
                OverlayCanvas.name = "ModdingApiConsoleLog";
                DontDestroyOnLoad(OverlayCanvas);

                GameObject background = CanvasUtil.CreateImagePanel(OverlayCanvas,
                    CreateMonoColourSprite(new byte[] {0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0xFF}),
                    new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(0, 500), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(1, 0)));

                _textPanel = CanvasUtil.CreateTextPanel(background, string.Join(string.Empty, messages.ToArray()), 12, TextAnchor.LowerLeft,
                    new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(0, 500), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(1, 0)), Arial);


                Debug.Log(string.Join(string.Empty, messages.ToArray()));
                Debug.Log("Overlay Created");
                
            }

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cause presently i don't see it on the screen anywhere

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so i'm guessing it's somewhere off the screen

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what does anchor pivot do?

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:06 PM

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sets where you rotate it around

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it also technically sets were you draw from

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so at 0,0 you'll rotate around BL, 0,1 is TL etc

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:08 PM

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so would I want both min and max to be 0,0?

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:09 PM

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that'd lock it to bottom left

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for pivot it doesn't matter

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text panel wants to be min 0,0 max 1,1 which will make it fill parent

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and sizeDelta wants to be 0,0

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:11 PM

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so

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new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(1, 1))

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:12 PM

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yeah that'll make something fill its parent

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you could do like -5, -5 to put 5 pixels of padding

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:13 PM

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k

quartz trout Jan 7, 2018, 11:16 PM

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Hey @leaden hedge , you know about the Boss Rush bug where the collector stops taking damage?

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:16 PM

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no

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I know about the vanilla bug

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:16 PM

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^

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:16 PM

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where collector stops taking damage

quartz trout Jan 7, 2018, 11:16 PM

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Lol, okay, I'd only experienced it in boss rush, my bad

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:17 PM

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yeah, pretty much everything other than nail can make it happen in vanilla

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:17 PM

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it happens when you overkill him, or kill him with something that isn't "from" you

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:17 PM

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just sneeze on him and it'll happen

quartz trout Jan 7, 2018, 11:18 PM

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Ah, strange... any chance of putting in a manual way to restart the fight as a workaround?

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:18 PM

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its fixed in beta patch so

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well

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it was fixed before, and before then

quartz trout Jan 7, 2018, 11:19 PM

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Fingers crossed this time's the real one then

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:19 PM

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I recommend not picking up grimm child, weaversong or dreamshield

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as those are the main culprits

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:20 PM

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and they suck anyway

quartz trout Jan 7, 2018, 11:20 PM

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Haha, true. I take weaversong a lot, over like, HP/MP or more useless stuff though

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and have seen a choice of "grimm child, grimm child and grimm child"

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:21 PM

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yeah

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cause there are 4 levels

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or 3

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or whatever

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:21 PM

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thats gotta be super unlikely

hazy sentinel Jan 7, 2018, 11:21 PM

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is level 0 grimmchild an option zote

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:21 PM

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like at best 1 in 800

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it is

quartz trout Jan 7, 2018, 11:21 PM

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I've seen it 2 times twice, and all 3 once

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I've played a lot of boss rush <_< Really like the mod, ha

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:22 PM

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i'd say i see it probably every 3-4 runs

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:22 PM

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what 2 grimms ?

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thats like 1 in 40

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and you get 26 sets of items

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so makes sense

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:25 PM

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hmm, is black not a viable sprite color?

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or does it need to be 0x01

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instead of 0x00

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:26 PM

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maybe

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wouldn't surprise me if LoadRawTextureData struggled with 0x00

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:27 PM

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weird, 0x01 won't work either

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RGBA right?

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or is it ARGB?

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:28 PM

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should be RGBA

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the default texture format is 24bit RGBA

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unless its reading the bytes backwards

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which honestly

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wouldn't surprise

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me

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:29 PM

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apparently it's reading it not in that order

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cause 0xFF, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00 works

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for solid black

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:30 PM

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oh ok

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so its reading them backwards

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so its probably ABGR

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:30 PM

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cause that makes so much sense /s

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:30 PM

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hey if you push to pc / android

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all your android sprites will be upside down

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:31 PM

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(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

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ok, so i have my greyish box

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but no text

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if (OverlayCanvas == null) { 
                CanvasUtil.CreateFonts();
                OverlayCanvas = CanvasUtil.CreateCanvas(RenderMode.ScreenSpaceOverlay, new Vector2(1920, 1080));
                OverlayCanvas.name = "ModdingApiConsoleLog";
                DontDestroyOnLoad(OverlayCanvas);

                GameObject background = CanvasUtil.CreateImagePanel(OverlayCanvas,
                    CreateMonoColourSprite(new byte[] { 0x80, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00}),
                    new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(0, 500), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(1, 0), new Vector2(0,0)));

                _textPanel = CanvasUtil.CreateTextPanel(background, string.Join(string.Empty, messages.ToArray()), 12, TextAnchor.LowerLeft,
                    new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(1, 1)), Arial);


                Debug.Log(string.Join(string.Empty, messages.ToArray()));
                Debug.Log("Overlay Created");
                
            }

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📎 unknown.png

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:34 PM

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odd

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thats not what should happen

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new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(0, 500), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(1,0)));
should make something that goes from left to right and 500 tall

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:35 PM

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i added a pivot to the image panel creation

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because it was sticking it in the center of the screen

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center bottom i mean

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:35 PM

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oh

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the text might be being rendered off the far left

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new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(500, 500), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0,0)));

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:38 PM

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is that for imagepanel or textpanel?

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:38 PM

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image

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:38 PM

#

k

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if that made a difference, i can't see it

leaden hedge Jan 7, 2018, 11:42 PM

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aight try new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(500, 500), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0.5, 0.5), new Vector2(0.5, 0.5), new Vector2(0.5,0.5)));

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for image

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gonna watch gdq

buoyant wasp Jan 7, 2018, 11:43 PM

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yup

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 12:29 AM

#

so, that code did this:

📎 unknown.png

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well, not quite that code, had to add f after the 0.5

solemn rivet Jan 8, 2018, 12:29 AM

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that's close enough

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 12:29 AM

#

alright so text isn't being put off screen

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draw text panel as image

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see what it does

wraith ether Jan 8, 2018, 12:30 AM

#

Hey guys, I'm new here, just stepping in real quick to kindly ask if an established Randomizer has been made yet. Much appreciated 😃

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 12:30 AM

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yes

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 12:30 AM

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look at the pins

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for this channel

wraith ether Jan 8, 2018, 12:31 AM

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(there's a lot of pins lol)

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 12:31 AM

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there is one that has all the mods listed

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(the first one)

wraith ether Jan 8, 2018, 12:31 AM

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Seanpr & Firzen?

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 12:32 AM

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they are the authors

wraith ether Jan 8, 2018, 12:32 AM

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Bless you kind sir

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thanks much

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 12:32 AM

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mmhmm

solemn rivet Jan 8, 2018, 12:32 AM

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have fun

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 12:37 AM

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sigh i'm a derp

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reason text wasn't showing was cause it couldn't find the arial font

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 12:39 AM

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nice

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 12:41 AM

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is it arial lowercase?

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 12:42 AM

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not sure

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it might not even me arial

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it might be times new roman

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 12:42 AM

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you have a mod where you use it?

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Resources.GetBuiltinResource(typeof(Font), "Arial.ttf") as Font

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 12:43 AM

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ah

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thanks

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closer

📎 unknown.png

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just gotta figure out why the text bounds outside the box

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                GameObject background = CanvasUtil.CreateImagePanel(OverlayCanvas,
                    CreateMonoColourSprite(new byte[] { 0x80, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00}),
                    new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(800, 400), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0,0)));

                _textPanel = CanvasUtil.CreateTextPanel(background, string.Join(string.Empty, messages.ToArray()), 12, TextAnchor.LowerLeft,
                    new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(-5, -5), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(0, 0), new Vector2(1, 1)), Arial);

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 12:50 AM

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you need to set wrap modes

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its on the text object

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 1:05 AM

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It's a thing

📎 unknown.png

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 1:06 AM

#

hollowknice

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 1:06 AM

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now just need to have a hotkey to toggle it off

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 1:07 AM

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canvas has a canvas group

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you can set alpha on that

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and everythings alpha fades with it

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 1:08 AM

#

oh neat

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hmm, can I just add the Update() method to the MonoBehavior to capture the keybind?

sterile meadow Jan 8, 2018, 1:12 AM

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Oh shit I havent been paying attention to chat but is that what I think it is?

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 1:12 AM

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yes

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 1:12 AM

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cool

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 1:13 AM

#

you can probably use

        public IEnumerator FadeInCanvasGroup(CanvasGroup cg)
        {
            float loopFailsafe = 0f;
            cg.alpha = 0f;
            cg.gameObject.SetActive(true);
            while (cg.alpha < 1f)
            {
                cg.alpha += Time.unscaledDeltaTime * 3.2f;
                loopFailsafe += Time.unscaledDeltaTime;
                if (cg.alpha >= 0.95f)
                {
                    cg.alpha = 1f;
                    break;
                }
                if (loopFailsafe >= 2f)
                {
                    break;
                }
                yield return null;
            }
            cg.alpha = 1f;
            cg.interactable = true;
            cg.gameObject.SetActive(true);
            yield return null;
            yield break;
        }

        public IEnumerator FadeOutCanvasGroup(CanvasGroup cg)
        {
            float loopFailsafe = 0f;
            cg.interactable = false;
            while (cg.alpha > 0.05f)
            {
                cg.alpha -= Time.unscaledDeltaTime * 3.2f;
                loopFailsafe += Time.unscaledDeltaTime;
                if (cg.alpha <= 0.05f)
                {
                    break;
                }
                if (loopFailsafe >= 2f)
                {
                    break;
                }
                yield return null;
            }
            cg.alpha = 0f;
            cg.gameObject.SetActive(false);
            yield return null;
            yield break;
        }

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then just do

base.StartCoroutine(this.FadeInCanvasGroup(OverlayCanvas.GetComponent<CanvasGroup>());

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 1:15 AM

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hmm

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 1:15 AM

#

although not sure what happens if you spam the button then 🤔

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 1:16 AM

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in what context is "this"?

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cause VS says that method does't exist

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 1:16 AM

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your monobehaviour

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that has the above functions

sterile meadow Jan 8, 2018, 1:17 AM

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Is there a logic to the randomizer that prevents you from getting softlocked

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 1:17 AM

#

yes

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 1:17 AM

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not saying it's impossible, but it's definitely difficult to softlock these days

#

most of the known places where it happens have been patched out

rain cedar Jan 8, 2018, 1:19 AM

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There's 3 I know of, but 2 of them are just from sitting at benches you have no business sitting at

sterile meadow Jan 8, 2018, 1:19 AM

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Sitting at benches ?

rain cedar Jan 8, 2018, 1:19 AM

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Yeah, benches

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 1:19 AM

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benches that are in a "pit" you can't climb out of

rain cedar Jan 8, 2018, 1:20 AM

#

Like let's say after hornet you have only crystal heart for movement

#

You use that to get to that hut with quirrel in it

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Then sit there

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Don't do that

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 1:20 AM

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isn't crystal heart basically dash

rain cedar Jan 8, 2018, 1:20 AM

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With dash you wouldn't be stuck

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 1:20 AM

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doesn't actually help you if you need to go up aswell

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even if its a single pixel

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 1:20 AM

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ohh

rain cedar Jan 8, 2018, 1:21 AM

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I'll start back on mod stuff tomorrow

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 1:24 AM

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well, progress, i can make it fade out, fade in, but then the next time it should fade out, it fades out and instantly fades in

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public void Update()
        {
            if (Input.GetKeyDown(KeyCode.F10))
            {
                StartCoroutine(_enabled
                    ? CanvasUtil.FadeOutCanvasGroup(OverlayCanvas.GetComponent<CanvasGroup>())
                    : CanvasUtil.FadeInCanvasGroup(OverlayCanvas.GetComponent<CanvasGroup>()));
                _enabled = !enabled;
            }
        }

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oh, nvm,

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1.2.2.1-28 Beta - Adds new diagnostic overlay for Modders to use while developing mods. Overlay will print out the same messages that are printed to ModLog.txt in game (tail). To enable Edit ModdingApi.GlobalSettings.json and make "BoolValues" look like this


"BoolValues": {
        "keys": [
            "ShowDebugLogInGame"
        ],
        "values": [
            1
        ]
    }

Overlay visibility can be toggled On/Off using F10.

📎 ModdingAPI.zip

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also, @leaden hedge - CanvasUtil is in the api now. Though I updated all the naming conventions to follow the C# standard. https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/blob/master/Assembly-CSharp/CanvasUtil.cs . I added XML comments to everything, but most of them are empty as I don't really have a handle on how all of the vectors really work.

GitHub

seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding

Contribute to HollowKnight.Modding development by creating an account on GitHub.

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 1:44 AM

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yeah I put an explanation of how they all work in the AddRectTransform function with examples

#

but they are stuff

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 1:45 AM

#

yeah, i still didn't quite understand how size works

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 1:45 AM

#

so basically the anchors decide how big a "panel" will be

#

so 0.5,0.5 min and 0.5,0.5 max will be 0x0

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because 0.5-0.5=0, 0*screenWidth = 0

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then the sizeDelta is added to that

#

to get the final size

#

I guess if you know css
its an absolute positioned div and
anchorMin = left + bottom
anchorMax = right + top
sizeDelta = padding

I don't think css has stuff for offset / pivot

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 1:58 AM

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so it's not size, it's sizedelta

#

i think that's the problem

#

the wording makes you think that you are describing the size itself

leaden hedge Jan 8, 2018, 2:01 AM

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you can rename the variable if you want

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 6:05 AM

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if at some point you take the time to figure out how to do scrollable text areas that'd be great to add to the canvas util

pearl sentinel Jan 8, 2018, 2:46 PM

#

sweet debug log

#

very handy! thank you 😃

rose barn Jan 8, 2018, 3:24 PM

#

@copper nacelle

#

im fking done with your mod

#

shit mod

#

go die

#

i hate you

#

I fking died at 102%

#

played the game 12 hour straight

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6 hour the next day

#

died to radiance

#

im done

#

going to neck

pearl sentinel Jan 8, 2018, 3:26 PM

#

thanks again, Wyza 😃

#

also, finally got asset bundle loading working in my project

#

https://puu.sh/yWUGv/b25de39924.png

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 4:13 PM

#

@rose barn sadgrub

rose barn Jan 8, 2018, 4:19 PM

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Die

#

I don't like you anymore

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 4:23 PM

#

i'm gonna say that is a bit over the top

#

rein it in there buddy

hazy sentinel Jan 8, 2018, 4:27 PM

#

reign more like rein

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 4:27 PM

#

you saw nothing

hazy sentinel Jan 8, 2018, 4:28 PM

#

I don't have 1000 discord screenshots for nothing

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 4:29 PM

#

true

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 4:31 PM

#

if I add a new variable to player data does it stay set across app instances

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 4:31 PM

#

in any case @rose barn - it is unacceptable to tell someone to die, you're welcome to dislike the mod, you're not welcome to indicate harm for the person

#

@copper nacelle - via the API or via dnspy?

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 4:32 PM

#

API

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 4:33 PM

#

you can't really. PlayerData itself isn't mutable in the API. you could, however, add a setting that would get saved across loads

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 4:33 PM

#

cool

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 4:34 PM

#

i think example2 in the source has an example of custom save settings

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 4:34 PM

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ooh

#

thanks

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 4:34 PM

#

np

#

yup, it does : https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/tree/master/ExampleMods/Source/ExampleMod2

#

example 3 also has an example of doing global/non-save-specific settings

fair rampart Jan 8, 2018, 5:05 PM

#

Alright so

#

im almost 100% sure the debug menu freezes when i start a new save

#

I tested it a few times and that seems to be the cause

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 5:14 PM

#

anything in the logs?

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 5:15 PM

#

was hegemol supposed to be a guardian or something

#

hegemolDefeated is next to lurienDefeated and there's also maskBrokenLurien and maskBrokenHegemol

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 5:17 PM

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

pearl sentinel Jan 8, 2018, 5:17 PM

#

Question, is there a way to get all the exits from an area? I see there's something like an entry gate?

#

Could I search a loaded scene for all exit gates?

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 5:17 PM

#

there's a ton of weird stuff like that all throughout the code. the naming of the scenes gives you some interesting understanding of what the game used to be like in the alpha days

#

dunno @pearl sentinel

#

@rain cedar or @leaden hedge might know

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 5:18 PM

#

MegaBeamMiner and Megajelly

#

lol

pearl sentinel Jan 8, 2018, 5:18 PM

#

Alrighty. Just wondering of there was something obvious in the game manager

#

Before I start digging

rain cedar Jan 8, 2018, 5:21 PM

#

@pearl sentinel Find all GameObjects containing a TransitionPoint component after loading in

pearl sentinel Jan 8, 2018, 5:21 PM

#

Excellent. Thanks!

#

Does that include doors into buildings?

rain cedar Jan 8, 2018, 5:22 PM

#

It does, yeah

pearl sentinel Jan 8, 2018, 5:22 PM

#

Sweet

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 5:22 PM

#

does killsFinalBoss/killsHollowKnight increment when you get all endings

#

or only the true ending

rain cedar Jan 8, 2018, 5:24 PM

#

I would assume killsHollowKnight is for any ending and killsFinalBoss is only true ending

#

Should be easy for you to test

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 5:25 PM

#

wtf

#

it doesn't go up

#

it goes down

#

I opened the save where I killed HK and the Radiance

#

and both values are set to 0

buoyant obsidian Jan 8, 2018, 5:38 PM

#

Yeah because that's how they handle journal entries

#

they set it to like 10 tik-tiks so when you hit 0 you've killed 10 tik-tiks and your journal is updated

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 5:41 PM

#

is there any good way to check for the player getting an ending

#

I was gonna set killsHollowKnight/killsFinalBoss to 0

#

and check for change on both of them

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 5:56 PM

#

just check for 0?

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 5:57 PM

#

wait

#

yeah

#

that'd work

#

that's way easier

#

thanks

#

📎 made-with-c-sharp.png

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 6:13 PM

#

hmm?

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 6:14 PM

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

looked cool

#

this is the best one tho

#

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/181153151607373825/399988457369239563/compatibility-club-penguin.png

fair rampart Jan 8, 2018, 6:16 PM

#

Lol

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 6:16 PM

#

lol

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 7:00 PM

#

TypeLoadException: Could not load type '<>c' from assembly 'NewGamePlus, Version=1.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'.
  at (wrapper delegate-invoke) UnityEngine.Events.UnityAction`2<UnityEngine.SceneManagement.Scene, UnityEngine.SceneManagement.LoadSceneMode>:invoke_void__this___Scene_LoadSceneMode (UnityEng

#

help

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 7:10 PM

#

interesting

#

is that the entire error?

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 7:11 PM

#

no

#

figured it out kinda

#

got rid of the hook

#

UnityEngine.SceneManagement.SceneManager.sceneLoaded += OnSceneLoad;

#

and the error went away

#

which is weird because I was using that exact hook in the same way in HellMod

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 7:12 PM

#

most likely, the problem is within OnSceneLoad

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 7:12 PM

#

i broke the game

#

I used the mod api's sceneChanged

#

and on scene change

#

black screen

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 7:13 PM

#

most likely your hook broke something

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 7:13 PM

#

yeah

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 7:14 PM

#

meh, i think I'm going to break down and wrap all the hook calls in the API in try/catch....the only reason i wasn't doing it before was that it didn't make a difference since it'd just log the error to output.txt, but now that we have an on screen display of modlog, i can't see a reason not to do it

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 7:18 PM

#

nevermind

#

didn't figure it out

#

same error grimm

#

@buoyant wasp do you know how to load the lights in a scene

#

I tried loading a scene onScene change

#

and now the screen is black

#

but I exist

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 7:23 PM

#

I know next to nothing about the scenes

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 7:23 PM

#

darn

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 7:24 PM

#

what's the full stack trace you get when you load into a scene? and what does your method that you're calling on change look like?

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 7:24 PM

#

doing this UnityEngine.SceneManagement.SceneManager.LoadScene("Tutorial_01");

#

on scene load

#

the scene loads fine

#

I got light

#

by killing myself

#

running into some spikes I found caused me to respawn w/ lights on

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 7:26 PM

#

oh, i have no idea what effect you would have by loading scenes manually

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 7:45 PM

#

figured it out

#

GameManager.instance.LoadFirstScene();

#

ez

pearl sentinel Jan 8, 2018, 9:08 PM

#

I've done a bunch with manual scene loading. It does tend to leave things in a janky state but if you load the scenes additively and then unload them things sometimes remain unchanged. That's how I load all the enemy types in for my enemy randomizer

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 9:19 PM

#

really need to figure out how to load stuff like that without loading the entire scene

pearl sentinel Jan 8, 2018, 9:20 PM

#

Problem is that the enemies are only raw game objects that exist in the scene.

#

No enemy prefabs in the game, as far as I was able to see with a lot of digging

#

Now, doing the loading and serializing out the data ourselves into a format others could use is a possibility

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 9:23 PM

#

only if the extraction is simple to do when new releases come along. last thing we want is to have to do alot of crap when they release a patch that changes the behaviors of half the enemies in the game

pearl sentinel Jan 8, 2018, 9:23 PM

#

Yeahhh

fair rampart Jan 8, 2018, 10:24 PM

#

@leaden hedge hey dud, could u plz add moss charger to bosses you can fight?

#

In boss rush

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 10:32 PM

#

dud!

fair rampart Jan 8, 2018, 10:35 PM

#

DuD!

#

ik most people don't consider moss charger a boss, but i think moss charger is more of a boss than gruz mom

buoyant wasp Jan 8, 2018, 10:36 PM

#

i've only ever fought moss charger once

#

the first time i played the game the "intended" way

fair rampart Jan 8, 2018, 10:36 PM

#

same

#

Ez boss

#

~~I probs still died to him~~

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 10:38 PM

#

you can jump out of the arena

#

and then kill stuff

#

and heal

willow path Jan 8, 2018, 10:42 PM

#

I'm confused

#

I'm trying to get Randomizer to work but I'm stuck at getting to Properties in Visual Studio

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 10:43 PM

#

wtf

#

why are you in VS

#

C E A S E

#

A N D

#

D E S I S T

#

@willow path why VS

#

you download the API from the google drive

#

you install it

#

you download randomizer from the google drive

#

you install it (move the stuff)

#

no compiling or visual studio or anything needed

willow path Jan 8, 2018, 10:44 PM

#

didn't work

#

unless Fury of the Fallen isn't randomized

#

I did that for Lightbringer and Boss rush

#

it worked

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 10:44 PM

#

did the randomzier logo show up

willow path Jan 8, 2018, 10:44 PM

#

📎 image.png

#

It had it in the top left

#

but no logo

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 10:45 PM

#

you put the folder in the wrong spot

#

there's a folder called randomizer or something

willow path Jan 8, 2018, 10:45 PM

#

ye

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 10:45 PM

#

you put it next to hollow_knight_data

#

not in

#

but next to

willow path Jan 8, 2018, 10:45 PM

#

I got confused because it was just png

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 10:45 PM

#

folder

willow path Jan 8, 2018, 10:45 PM

#

kk

#

ty

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 10:46 PM

#

yw

#

this folder in the zip

📎 DeepinScreenshot_select-area_20180108174619.png

willow path Jan 8, 2018, 10:46 PM

#

I know

#

I got the files

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 10:47 PM

#

then you move the folder in the files to C:\Program FIles (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\

#

I think that's the right thing

willow path Jan 8, 2018, 10:47 PM

#

ye

#

I just didn't move the randomizer folder

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 10:47 PM

#

ohh

#

I did that too

#

was also confused

willow path Jan 8, 2018, 10:50 PM

#

it works

copper nacelle Jan 8, 2018, 10:50 PM

#

nice

#

have fun

vagrant leaf Jan 8, 2018, 11:14 PM

#

Lightbringer is the best mod

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 12:01 AM

#

Modding API is the best Mod IMO (totally not biased at all)

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 12:01 AM

#

tbf

#

more than half of the mods need the API

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 12:08 AM

#

@leaden hedge - What does RectMask2D do?

#

lightbringer definitely has the best trailer though

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 12:12 AM

#

time for a mod api trailer

#

just include all the mods made with it

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 12:14 AM

#

if i had any talent in video production at all

#

i still wouldn't do it, because it'd take too much effort 😛

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 12:19 AM

#

lol

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:00 AM

#

Lightbringer is the best mod

#

still

rain cedar Jan 9, 2018, 1:16 AM

#

It's ok

#

Randomizer is better

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:16 AM

#

shidst mod is best mod

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:20 AM

#

i played shitmodst

#

it sayed

#

said

#

play lightbringer

#

therefor

#

lightbringer is best mod

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:21 AM

#

no

#

shidst mod is satire about how the life of a mod needs light to be brought to it

#

it's very deep

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:22 AM

#

then wouldn't it say

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:22 AM

#

the lore behind it can only be interpreted by people with high IQ

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:22 AM

#

"bring light"

#

instead of

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:22 AM

#

play lightbringer

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:22 AM

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"play lightbringer

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:22 AM

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means

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:22 AM

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"

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:22 AM

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bring light

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via play

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(by playing shitmodst)

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:22 AM

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no, that's just made to distract you

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:22 AM

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is this like yoda speak or something

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play lightbringer ❌ bring light

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:23 AM

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play lightbringer = bring light by playing shitmodst

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:24 AM

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is it a coincidence that the creator of lightbringer also made shitmodst

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:24 AM

#

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Shidst Mod. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also 753’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Shidst Mod truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in 753’s existential catchphrase “Play Lightbringer,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Shidst Mod tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:24 AM

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oh no

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:25 AM

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get destroyed kidz

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:25 AM

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play lightbringer

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 1:25 AM

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zote .

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:25 AM

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lightbringer is the best mod

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fact

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:35 AM

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Dan Harmon's genius wit

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thinkgrub

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also isn't it

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shit modst

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:35 AM

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oh

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uhh

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no

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:35 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrQmlscjoLg

YouTube

Verulean

Hollow Knight: shitmodst mod (st) playthrough

it's a pretty shitty modst if I say so myself the mod was made by 753, but you probably can't access shitmodst anywhere because it's actual garbage just like...

▶ Play video

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wrong

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:35 AM

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no

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that video is a lie

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veru doesnt know anything

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:36 AM

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📎 DeepinScreenshot_select-area_20180108203612.png

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:36 AM

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fake news

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:37 AM

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📎 DeepinScreenshot_select-area_20180108203705.png

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📎 DeepinScreenshot_select-area_20180108203715.png

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:37 AM

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time travel

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also mandela effect

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get rekt

hollow pier Jan 9, 2018, 1:38 AM

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http://prntscr.com/hxubfw http://prntscr.com/hxubio

Lightshot

Screenshot

Captured with Lightshot

Lightshot

Screenshot

Captured with Lightshot

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checkmate

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:39 AM

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only people with iq of 90000 understand advanced quantum physics concepts like mandelads affect and interpoliroidnizationalnucleartransposition69fakslikeinator

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check mate atheists

hollow pier Jan 9, 2018, 1:39 AM

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mandelads

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:39 AM

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transposition69

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fakslike

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 1:39 AM

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what exactly is going on here?

hollow pier Jan 9, 2018, 1:39 AM

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nothing

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hide

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cease

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scatter

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:39 AM

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shidst mod is best mod

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:39 AM

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meaningful discussion of shitmodst's lore

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:40 AM

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shidst mod*

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plz stop this plebeian

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 1:40 AM

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need to change my title here i think

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:40 AM

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proof randomizer > lightbringer

📎 DeepinScreenshot_select-area_20180108204044.png

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📎 DeepinScreenshot_select-area_20180108204036.png

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 1:41 AM

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there

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:41 AM

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lmao

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:41 AM

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a person with a high iq would know that populasramsos theory suggests that inverse relations like more numbers does not mean more betterer

hollow pier Jan 9, 2018, 1:41 AM

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joy, killer of wyza

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:42 AM

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take that atheisdassts

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 1:42 AM

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well, it flows better than "wyza, stick in the mud"

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:42 AM

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atheists, if god doesn't exist then what's lightbringer?

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:42 AM

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shidst mod's complex lore actually answers that

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:42 AM

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no u

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shitmodst's complex lore begs the player to play lightbringer

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:44 AM

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I cant even speak with weak minded plebiansdns such as urself, ur argument is null

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:45 AM

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i pity those with your incredibly low IQ

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:45 AM

#

📎 DeepinScreenshot_select-area_20180108204534.png

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 1:46 AM

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hehe, just considering how best to threaten the hammer

hollow pier Jan 9, 2018, 1:46 AM

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o no

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:46 AM

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gasp

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 1:46 AM

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hollowlenny

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:46 AM

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wait what's the hammer

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:46 AM

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_ban

hazy sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 1:46 AM

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the hammer's the MC

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 1:46 AM

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gasp

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:46 AM

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_banpls

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 1:47 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297468195026239489/394951565498122261/banhammer.png

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 2:03 AM

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📎 unknown.png

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 2:20 AM

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@leaden hedge - https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/blob/master/Assembly-CSharp/CanvasUtil.cs Commented version of CanvasUtil. Think i have it right, but if you wouldn't mind going over it and correcting it where I'm not, that'd be great

trim nimbus Jan 9, 2018, 2:23 AM

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yo what is the hell mod?

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 2:24 AM

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it's about what you think it is

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 2:24 AM

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hell

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 2:24 AM

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it makes the game harder

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in pretty much every way

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 2:24 AM

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@trim nimbus

# Hell Mod
#### By 56 (me)

## Effects
- 1/2 Nail Damage
- 2x incoming damage
- 1/3 max SOUL
- 1/2 SOUL collection
- no SOUL collection while your shade is alive
- Heal focus is nerfed to Deep Focus speed
- Deep focus multiplier increased by 1.3725
- Dream shield only costs 1 notch (bugged, shows up as 1 but still uses 3)
- 80% spell damage (20% reduction)

## Installation
Hell Mod is an API mod, so install the Hollow Knight API (by Seanpr, Firezen, and Wyza) and then place the HellMod.dll into the Mods folder

trim nimbus Jan 9, 2018, 2:25 AM

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wow

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thats great

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 2:25 AM

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one more thing I forgot to add

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the spell/not nail damage is 80%

trim nimbus Jan 9, 2018, 2:26 AM

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makes sense

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thats pretty cool

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I'll have to try this out soon

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 2:29 AM

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you can also combine it with other API mods

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so Randomizer + Hell Mod is good

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 2:32 AM

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nightmare god + hell mod

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 2:33 AM

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it would work

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 2:34 AM

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someone should do that

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damageless

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 2:35 AM

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just overcharm

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damageless is then required

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I think

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 2:35 AM

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wouldn't that do like 8 masks?

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 2:36 AM

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yes

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 2:36 AM

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two damage + hell mod + overcharm

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wow

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so you would have two hits until you're dead with max masks

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 2:36 AM

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you could also just do glass soul

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1 hit kill

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 2:37 AM

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yeah someone should do that

rain cedar Jan 9, 2018, 2:43 AM

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Glass soul messes with nail damage so it's not entirely compatible

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One of them would likely overwrite the other unless they're coded multiplicatively to the current value

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Which isn't entirely possible

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Since it would just stack upward indefinitely

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 2:44 AM

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then just don't get the last mask

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just have 8 or less masks

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 2:45 AM

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recompile glass soul with nothing for the attack hook

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 2:46 AM

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or maybe

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play lightbringer

soft rain Jan 9, 2018, 3:07 AM

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is lightbringer crashing for me on mac because it isn't compatible or because of something else

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 3:07 AM

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lightbringer is not mac compatible

soft rain Jan 9, 2018, 3:07 AM

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thanks

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also are any mods made for the api cross platform

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 3:08 AM

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all the api mods are cross platform

soft rain Jan 9, 2018, 3:08 AM

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neat

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 3:18 AM

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is the boss rush mod in the drive?

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i see the beta but nothing else

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 3:24 AM

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the boss rush on the drive is it

vagrant leaf Jan 9, 2018, 3:36 AM

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okay thanks

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:10 AM

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fun random bit of info: i went and hit that weird metal statue thing that doesn't do anything inside the dreamer's den in deepnest with a thing printing out the name of objects my nail collides with. it's called "god shrine stuff"

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actually i'll just post the pic https://puu.sh/yXlQZ/0401fd0c52.png

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:26 AM

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@buoyant wasp rectmask2d hides everything in this object and children objects that goes outside this objects rect

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there is imagemask2d but thats just the same as an image with one line of code and it doesn't work very well

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so I didn't put it in

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The X, Y, Width, Height part of CreateSprite is for subsprites, i.e if the texture has 4 sprites you dont need to load 4 textures from that one texture you just need to put the correct positions in

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And Toggle Group is for a set of toggles where only one can be true

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 5:13 AM

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ah

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so, it's a texturemap where you select which part of the texture you are using for the sprite

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IE the spritemaps you gave me a long time ago with all the charms in them

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there, comments updated

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 7:00 AM

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@leaden hedge - so i've incorporated your loader code in for the menu. it shows the Mods menu option, but click on it, takes me to the games options rather than the mod list

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 7:02 AM

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                EventTrigger events = modButton.gameObject.GetComponent<EventTrigger>();

                events.triggers = new List<EventTrigger.Entry>();

                EventTrigger.Entry submit = new EventTrigger.Entry();
                submit.eventID = EventTriggerType.Submit;
                submit.callback.AddListener((data) => { fauxUIM.UIloadModMenu(); });
                events.triggers.Add(submit);

                EventTrigger.Entry click = new EventTrigger.Entry();
                click.eventID = EventTriggerType.PointerClick;
                click.callback.AddListener((data) => { fauxUIM.UIloadModMenu(); });
                events.triggers.Add(click);

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you have that code?

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 7:02 AM

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yeah

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 7:04 AM

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well thats the code that removes the game option trigger and adds the mod menu trigger

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put a print before and after that snippet

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to make sure its actually being executed

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 7:11 AM

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hmm, its not, array index exception. Guessing because i put a filter on which mods it will show and none of them apply. (since the mod needs to have implemented both unload and initialize for off/on to work) I just need to check to make sure there is at least 1 mod that falls into that category. but tomorrow when i'm not passing out at my chair

rain cedar Jan 9, 2018, 7:17 AM

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Literally no mods implement unload

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 7:18 AM

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I'd drop that system if you're using the mod options thing

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I'd make it mod implement a getOptions function
that returns an array of Options
each Option has a title, callback and optionSet

then just populate that menu with those
title = text on the left to say what it is
optionSet = the possible options i.e. off, on
when it changes give them the callback with the option it was set to

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then you could put stuff like difficultly and debug options in there

rain cedar Jan 9, 2018, 7:21 AM

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But I already made fancy UI for option stuff

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Well, maybe not so fancy for randomizer

copper nacelle Jan 9, 2018, 7:21 AM

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lmao

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 7:21 AM

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is it as fancy as this 🤔

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 7:29 AM

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@rain cedar i am adding an interface that a mod must implement in order for it to show up as togglable in the menu

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Right now it's purpose is purely to enable or disable mods.

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And now. Actually passing out. Later

rain cedar Jan 9, 2018, 7:30 AM

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Neat

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 12:53 PM

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Wyza is our hero

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:17 PM

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does Assembly-CSharp.dll have the code for bosses too?

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 1:19 PM

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no

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:22 PM

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where can I find them

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dont tell me it has to do with playermaker

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 1:22 PM

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alright but I'd be lying

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:23 PM

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okay then, how do I change the player maker stuff

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:23 PM

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do you have a virgin sacrifice handy?

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:23 PM

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yes

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:23 PM

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good

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then all you need is the FSM viewer

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and FSM dumper

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 1:24 PM

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before we get into the how, we need to ask what

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:24 PM

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and said virgin

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:24 PM

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what's this fsm viewer and dumper nonsense

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and where can I get them

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:25 PM

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Playmaker FSM is what contains most of the game's code

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but KDT has a point

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:25 PM

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I did ask what

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hollowface

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:26 PM

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the FSM dump is pinned

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dunno about the viewer

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:27 PM

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I only see unity studio, dnspy, and the asset changer thingy

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:27 PM

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FSM (kcghost)

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this one

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:28 PM

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yep, I am blind

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:28 PM

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with this installed, just run the game and go to whatever scene contains what you want to mod

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it'll dump their fsm

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and you can then spend countless hours trying to figure out wtf is going on with it

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and change what you need to change using the assembly

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:29 PM

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it says I need permission when I want to download it from google drive

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:29 PM

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to download it?

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weird

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:29 PM

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2uNnYRmfIqodXJqemdLUWtEazg/view?usp=drive_web

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:30 PM

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have permissions changed while I was away?

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:30 PM

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this is the right one, correct?

📎 5.JPG

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 1:31 PM

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its private for me too

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:31 PM

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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9cVhoMEdfV3I3YUk

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just right-click and download

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worked for me

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:31 PM

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wait, it's for an older version though

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:31 PM

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when I click your link, it's also private for me

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:31 PM

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does it matter?

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:31 PM

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it doesn't really matter, no

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:31 PM

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ok

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thank you

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:31 PM

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it just dumps stuff

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:32 PM

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now the hard part

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:32 PM

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ye

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@leaden hedge can I link your FSM viewer here?

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 1:45 PM

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go for it

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 1:46 PM

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this seems to be the latest version I have

📎 HK-FSM-VIEWER-master.zip

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october 18th

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seems consistent with the github, so I assume it's uptodate

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 2:06 PM

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ok thanks

spiral turtle Jan 9, 2018, 3:10 PM

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I can't open the readme in the seanpr mod API zip, I don't have any programs that can open that file type. Does anyone know what it says? I'm guessing they're instructions which are what I need

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 3:10 PM

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is it .md?

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its just a textfile

spiral turtle Jan 9, 2018, 3:10 PM

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I'm pretty sure

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 3:10 PM

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drag it into any text editor

spiral turtle Jan 9, 2018, 3:11 PM

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yeah it's .md

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Ahhh nice, notepad++ worked. Thanks!

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YES, feelsgoodman. Just downloaded my first hollow knight mod. Got the debug and API. I need it too practice bosses for speedruns

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 3:18 PM

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hopefully debug will be getting better functionality for practicing bosses soon ™

spiral turtle Jan 9, 2018, 3:19 PM

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I just clicked hide menu, what's the hotkey to get the debug HUD on again? 😂

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 3:19 PM

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f1

spiral turtle Jan 9, 2018, 3:19 PM

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thank you

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 3:36 PM

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I'm only half a hero, @leaden hedge did all the hard work to make the menu UI stuff look and work like the normal menu.

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i'm just putting the pieces together

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 3:38 PM

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so i've made my mod's UI in unity and i'm loading it in through an asset bundle. any reason i shouldn't be doing this? it seems to work and look fine

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 3:39 PM

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no real reasons

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depends on what you are doing

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just making button and labels etc?

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 3:41 PM

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kdt's just been working on making "standard" mod UI elements that behave/look similar to the vanilla game so that the mods feel like they belong

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but you can do really whatever you want

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 3:45 PM

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so far just buttons, slider, and labels etc. at runtime i'm having the scripts find the assets and link up to them by adding listeners etc as needed.

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just nice to be able to layout stuff in the editor and prototype scrolling areas and such

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 3:49 PM

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well scroll rects and sliders suck in code

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so I've not even bothered with them

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although I don't think anything in game actually uses them

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actually volume and brightness use sliders

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so I guess I should implement them

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 3:54 PM

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I'd love you long time if you did scroll rects 😃

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Sliders are also a convenient way of making a loading bar

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 3:56 PM

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image has a thing for it

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Which, since I have a load step where I load and unload about 50 scenes, is nice to have

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Ah, cool

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 3:57 PM

#

fillMethod

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and

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fillAmount

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oh and

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type

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although no point giving code for it if you use the editor to make them hollowface

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but then you can use an actual image for it instead of a slider

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 3:59 PM

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👍

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Overall, modding this game has been very easy. You guys do good work

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So other than a lot of bug fixing, enemy randomizing seems to work well. I just need to figure out how with only a few exceptions (like the collusem)

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*how I want the logic to work

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:02 PM

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which exceptions

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:03 PM

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Replacing a spawned enemy in the collusem makes the event softlock

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:03 PM

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ah

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:03 PM

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I have some ideas for a work around

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:03 PM

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weird it does that

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work around isn't too hard anyway

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just keep one enemy and repeatedly call its die function

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:03 PM

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That's kinda what I was thinking would work, cool

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Do you know why sometimes spawned enemies will just zip through the floor/world?

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:05 PM

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in the fsm I think theres a state that says something like decrement battle enemies

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:06 PM

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Like giant moss charger doesn't seem to like getting spawned anywhere

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Even up in the air

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:06 PM

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might be locked to a certain region

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of x / y

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:06 PM

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Where it should fall and settle

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Ah, that would make sense

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:06 PM

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soul master for instance can't move outside his boss arena

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but he floats / teleports

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:07 PM

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Gotcha. And the logic for that is un the fsm?

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:07 PM

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probably in its controller fsm

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:08 PM

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Looks like may be digging into that to see if I can un-region lock some of these.

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Though it may not be worth it

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Since idk if anyone wants random bosses while exploring

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Nosk is particularly annoying to run into

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:09 PM

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half of them probably won't even work anyway

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nkg won't

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tmg won't

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mantis lords probably wont

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soul master probably wont

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Mantis lords actually work fone

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Fine *

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:09 PM

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do they weird

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:09 PM

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They will cling on invisible walls

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:09 PM

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I'd have assumed they would have needed the 2 anchor points either side of their arena

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:09 PM

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But that's about it

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:10 PM

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radiance probably won't work, zote probably won't either

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:10 PM

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Normal zote?

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:11 PM

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nah gpz

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:11 PM

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Ah

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:11 PM

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he spawns adds

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which are probably just invis in his arena and linked to him

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:12 PM

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Ah

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Yeah

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 4:12 PM

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NGG spawning randomly when?

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:12 PM

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:p

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But yeah, mostly need to figure out how I want to shuffle things. Also, baulder shell enemy is horrific. Each spit is randomizing the roller it shoots out

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It spat a nosk at me once

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:13 PM

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yeah its 50/50

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and each one will be random

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they are called elder baldurs btw

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:13 PM

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holy shit

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:14 PM

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just make it consistent

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:14 PM

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imagine an Elder Baldur spitting another Elder Baldur

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:14 PM

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speaking of elder baldurs do they respect the one baldur rule

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:14 PM

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It could

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:14 PM

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if they spit a none baldur

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:15 PM

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Which is?

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:15 PM

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well anything that isn't a baldur

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i.e. can it have 2 enemies out at a time

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:15 PM

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Oh

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:15 PM

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normal elders can only have one baldur out at a time

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:15 PM

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Yes it seems so

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Tram spitting guys in deepnest do

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Uhhh, what do I replace the playermaker.dll with to make the files go in save_fsm when I run the game

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:16 PM

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they don't have a limiter afaik

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not actually looked at their fsm though

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:17 PM

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you need to use a patcher which should be with the mod you downloaded

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:17 PM

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what do I do with the patcher

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:17 PM

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wait, enemies that spit trams?

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:17 PM

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no the flying things

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that spit the deepnest mobs

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:17 PM

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ah

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phew

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on the other hand

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tram-spitting enemies would be amazing

pearl sentinel Jan 9, 2018, 4:18 PM

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Lol

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:20 PM

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what do I put in the XDelta patch textbox

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:20 PM

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@ornate rivet so, you run the patcher, select the vanilla playermaker.dll as input and PlayMaker1117-whatever as another input

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:20 PM

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ok thanks

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what do I do once I've opened the fsm viewer and I see this:

📎 5.JPG

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:33 PM

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the lines don't really matter too much

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you can extend them if you want

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just the health_manager is extremely big

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:34 PM

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I cant edit them

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 4:34 PM

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if you use my version of the viewer, the lines work all the way 😉

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that's why it's called a viewer

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not an editor

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:34 PM

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yeah this is just for editing

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:34 PM

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then what do I do with it

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 4:34 PM

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this is to tell you how the FSMs are laid out

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:35 PM

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ooh

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 4:35 PM

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once you know that, then you have to write code to edit them in c#

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during runtime

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:35 PM

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its like trying to edit a book

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without opening it

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this just lets you see whats already written in there

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:35 PM

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noot

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 4:35 PM

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you can look at the source code for NGG, Randomizer, (bossrush? dunno), they all have examples of editing the FSMs

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:35 PM

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ok

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 4:36 PM

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it's kind of light giving yourself a root canal with a rusty spoon

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:36 PM

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I can't remember if I put good examples in any of those

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once I got a better understanding

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 4:36 PM

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lol

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:36 PM

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lol

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 4:36 PM

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yeah, some of our early FSM stuff is....scary

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lots of terrible looping

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:38 PM

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yeah NGG does some basic stuff

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changing transitions and values

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no injection of "new" code

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:39 PM

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I believe you guys changed the spells functionality in Bonfire

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and it's all FSM, so if you want to take a look...

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 4:40 PM

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i did, but the newest code wasn't ever posted to github i don't think

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or you posted it and i didn't know, i know i sent it to you 😉

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but that was when you went poof

solemn rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:40 PM

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I did nothing

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yeah

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I'm still kinda poof-d

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I'm here, but not

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I'm like a shadow

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like a blackmoth

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:41 PM

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no one really did anything the last month

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until yesterday when I posted code for the mod menu

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 4:41 PM

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pretty much

leaden hedge Jan 9, 2018, 4:44 PM

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although in the case of injecting and removing code from fsm states pretty sure FsmUtil does have code for that

📎 FsmUtil.cs

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although its not quite as fleshed out as CanvasUtil

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although I don't think they quite work entirely as is

buoyant wasp Jan 9, 2018, 4:50 PM

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heh, i'll hold off on adding that to the API until it's more fleshed out

ornate rivet Jan 9, 2018, 4:51 PM

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will bigger mods be released once all the patches have been released