and use that op spell charm
#archived-modding-development
copper nacelle
vagrant leaf
or that
buoyant obsidian
although pure nail certainly makes the fight easy enough
vagrant leaf
and probably the vertical attack charm
buoyant obsidian
It's just based on completion percentage
vagrant leaf
does the glass soul charm affect spells?
buoyant obsidian
Nope
vagrant leaf
okay
buoyant wasp
bleh, debug mod does a ton to write to the console. :/
copper nacelle
can you replace assets with the API?
like replace with an if condition
like glass soul does
leaden hedge
Can't mess with assets like that at runtime, you just need to find the sprite/audio in question and set its bytes manually
knotty grove
now if someone could write c++ code to fuck with memory manually, it could work xD
ornate rivet
why c++ when you have assembly
copper nacelle
@hazy sentinel I could make normal mode just turn into steel soul mode on game start
buoyant obsidian
fuck assembly
buoyant obsidian
I've done Assembly by hand on fucking paper
ornate rivet
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buoyant obsidian
For a test I had to write a program from memory in only Assembly that assigned and corrected errors using parity or some shit like that
hazy sentinel
fuck the what
copper nacelle
my comp sci class is easier than writing mods
hazy sentinel
but you haven't made any mods yet
buoyant obsidian
My comp sci classes are hit and miss
buoyant obsidian
half of them end up getting scrabbed due to professor negligence
hollow pier
haha
buoyant obsidian
honestly I don't feel like I'm learning anything of value
copper nacelle
I'm not learning anything of value
we're literally doing GUIs with Tkinter
like why
I took accelerated because I hadn't done any coding this year but I didn't want to be bored
and all we've done is:
Classes, Constructors, For loops, while loops, ifs, and inheritance
buoyant obsidian
Try memorizing several dozen Assembly functions for a single test
and being able to convert from assembly to 32 bit binary
and back
buoyant obsidian
it's not THAT bad, my professor was just awful
he was fired before the semester ended
copper nacelle
wow
hollow pier
thats the sign of a good professor wdym
strange narwhal
I remember doing the assembly to binary conversations, fun fun
The parity stuff sucked though
buoyant wasp
if you look at some of the modding api's early comments for the current version, there is some ILASM stuff.
ended up ditching that because...no
ripe plover
how do you activate the debug menu
solemn rivet
f1
ripe plover
went to the radiance, tried their dream nail dialogue and broke the game kthx
fair rampart
hey did someone unpack the Grimm Troupe sprites yet?
Personally looking for the palettes and such but I draw decently from reference.
hazy sentinel
fair rampart
banned
fair rampart
ty
fair rampart
has there been a successful attempt at a multiplayer mode?
copper nacelle
@fair rampart 753 did a dream shield co op thing
fair rampart
dream shield coop?
ornate rivet
yes
fair rampart
I'll have to look this up
bold lodge
hi! is the debug mod working in GoG?
fair rampart
What's GoG?
bold lodge
ok thanks
winter snow
The cut content mod gives me an error when I try to install it. It's for 1.0.3.7.
And I have 1.0.3.7.
If anyone has any ideas I'd really appreciate it.
young walrus
how did you install it?
what version of the game do you have
what OS?
version meaning, steam vs GoG
winter snow
I have the GOG one because idk how to get the steam one, but I made sure to install it in the same location as the Steam version. I use Win 10 (up to date).
winter snow
ahhh, can steam version still be obtained? 😮
winter snow
I mean, I have HK Cut Content Mod for HK 1.0.3.7.
young walrus
there's a guide here on how to down patch your steam game
young walrus
i meant, do you have a steam and GoG copy of the game
but yeah. if you have a steam copy, down patch using this guide, then you should be able to install it
winter snow
now i have the 1.0.3.7. gog
i will install the steam one back
and downgrade
😃
thanks
buoyant wasp
i think the most recent version of the game the steam/gog are nearly identical, I've noticed that they've been slowly merging the differences together, likely to reduce the effort in builds. but I haven't tried to use the steam API version on the gog version yet, mostly cause i don't have it 😉
winter snow
" then go to the directory printed into the Steam console" where to find this? i don't see it
young walrus
i think uh.... gradow tried recently
right click on the HK game
properties
then local game files
winter snow
i know how to find the HK installation folder, idk how to find the downloaded content
fair rampart
When it finishes downloading it tells u i think
young walrus
oh, you're asking about down patching?
winter snow
yea
young walrus
i've never down patched this way, but looks like it'll print where it saved it once it's done
it'll take awhile
cuz it's 9 GB of content
winter snow
i see
young walrus
it'll probably say like "contents saved to [file path]"
winter snow
i usually download HK in under 1 min though 😅 i can go up to 60MB per second
buoyant obsidian
your Steam has a console?
winter snow
i found it; the downloaded content i mean
buoyant obsidian
wowzers
buoyant wasp
yeah, i downloaded something from steam last night at 78MB/s. it was fun
quartz trout
Hey, does anyone know how to use the Boss Rush mod? The readme doesn't say much and I can't figure out how to start the boss rush
young walrus
install the modding API and the boss rush mod
watch the youtube video in pinned messages
goes step by step on how to install API mods
quartz trout
Oh, I have it installed, I'm using the debug menu just fine, but the boss rush part doesn't seem to have a UI or anything
young walrus
you start a new file
copper nacelle
and it'll start automatically
quartz trout
Checking out the video though in pinned, thanks
fair rampart
Then you get automatically teled to bosses
quartz trout
Oh so, if I have it installed any new game just does that?
quartz trout
Gotcha so, I'd have to have that in a separate install from normal debug training stuff
young walrus
just create a sub folder
copper nacelle
and put debug stuff in the sub folder
young walrus
and move the boss rush mod dll into the sub folder when you don't want to use it
buoyant wasp
like
Managed/
Mods/
Disabled/
Bossrush.dll
the API loads everything in "Mods/", but doesn't go down into nested folders
so you can move the mods in and out of the Disabled folder to control which ones are loaded
quartz trout
Yeah, I fell you. Boss Rush mod still seems to not be working for me, I tried putting Debug in a "disabled" subfolder in case they weren't playing nice together... Do I have to progress to a certain point after I start a new game?
Otherwise I must have missed a step
quartz trout
Naw, just shows the modding API version.
young walrus
yeah. top left should show all loaded mods
quartz trout
Yep, same folder as the Debug file, and that one does work.
copper nacelle
send a picture
quartz trout
Heh of what? Folder? Menu?
young walrus
did you download the correct version number of boss rush?
quartz trout
Yeah, 1.2.2.1
copper nacelle
@quartz trout your folder should look like
hollow_knight_data
Managed
Mods
Disabled
DebugMod.dll
BossRush.dll
other shit
does it look like that
young walrus
where's the "mods" folder, 56?
quartz trout
Well no, the path is Managed/Mods
young walrus
😛
quartz trout
Yeah lol
Trying to verify files in steam just in case I goofed something in the install
2 files failed to verify, fingers crossed that's the problem, heh
quartz trout
SURE DID LOL, yeah no big to reinstall. But hrm, still stumped.
buoyant wasp
look in your saves folder
quartz trout
Yeah, same deal after doing the API and mods, Debug will work, BossRush doesn't show up in the corner
buoyant wasp
there should be a ModLog.txt
good chance if there is an error it will show up there
if there isn't one there, post Managed\..\output.txt
quartz trout
Uhh... where are the saves exactly? They don't seem to be in the hollow_knight_data folder anywhere...
copper nacelle
%appdata%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight
quartz trout
Okay okay, found it. Yeah, error.
[INFO]:Saving Global Settings
[INFO]:[API] - Trying to load mods
[ERROR]:[API] - Error: System.TypeLoadException: Could not load type 'Modding.Loggable' from assembly 'BossRush'.
at Modding.ModLoader.LoadMods () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
[INFO]:Saving Global Settings
[INFO]:Saving Global Settings
sick arch
has the problem with debug mod where the full menu doesnt show and you cant hide the menu anymore after you quit and enter the game been fixed yet
because it happens every time
quartz trout
Not sure... I'm just using it to grind Watcher Knights, heh
Ah! Got it working. I downloaded the 1.2.1.4 version of boss rush which seems to work on the HK 1.2.2.1 patch. The newer BossRush version seems broken for me still
buoyant wasp
What version of the API do you have installed?
quartz trout
1.2.2.1
buoyant wasp
1.2.2.1-#?
quartz trout
-19
quartz trout
WOOPS
buoyant wasp
it's like -27 now
quartz trout
Okay, that makes sense. I'll update the API
buoyant wasp
after -26, the API will now tell you if there is a new version available
so you won't miss updates 😃
quartz trout
That is convenient :> Yeah I downloaded it like 2 months ago but am just now getting it working
Didn't realize how much active development was going on
buoyant wasp
October-December there was a ton
quartz trout
Yepperino, newest bossrush version works now with the updated API. Thanks everyone for the help <3
round vapor
hey guys, this is super urgent! i need the sound file of the regular Vengefly ["WRIEK!"] but can't find it in the extracted game files (despite checking everything 3 times!). can somebody here please help me out.
i can offer you the cry of the Vengefly King in return.
trim totem
Did you look in all the resource files
round vapor
i really did look into all the files that looked like they could be reasonably it. i even found the file of the Vengefly King pretty fast, if that's any proof.
at this point, I'm not even sure whether the regular Vengefly's is in there at all...
hushed patio
hi where would i find information on the randomizer for HK?
fair rampart
'tis in here
copper nacelle
there's a good bit of info in the README in the zip
fair rampart
it probs has a read me file
hushed patio
Ty
copper nacelle
if you need additional info, people here know a lot about the mod as well
copper nacelle
@leaden hedge where do I set the HP for the health_manager_enemy? Decrement Health? help my health_manager_enemy thing is only affecting half the enemies (eg the aspids aren't affected but grey prince zote is)
copper nacelle
nevermind
figured it out
nevermind
didn't figure it out
I'm getting NamedVariable in the LocateFSM FsmVariables GetNamedVariables type int
but it says the var.UseVariable must be a bool
but I
am getting ints
:/
nvm got it
copper nacelle
kinda got it
95% of the enemies have one health now (as currently intended)
but some enemies aren't affected
hollow terrace
If I hide the debug mod menu how do I get it to show back up?
copper nacelle
F1
hollow terrace
Thank
hollow terrace
Can I give myself soul with the debug mod? Not infinite but like one time?
sick arch
if you toggle infinite soul it gives you 3 fireballs
so you can just use that
no way to give yourself 1 fireball at a time atm
vagrant leaf
well i'm almost through a lightbringer playthrough
some of the charms feel really overpowered
buyt other than that it's really good
buoyant obsidian
No more powerful than Flukenest
copper nacelle
wow what a great way of thinking for balance
flukenest, the epitome of balance
but yeah lightbringer is great
vagrant leaf
the only thing i would do to fix it is to nerf a couple charms and increase soul regen rate
the soul regen speed becomes a nightmare in the colosseum
hazy sentinel
not really
vagrant leaf
i mean i could barely ever heal during conqueror
but the bloodlust charm made it a lot more bareable
copper nacelle
@vagrant leaf D R E A M N A I L
vagrant leaf
wait
oh no
i honestly completely forgot that was an option
wow
i am very stupid
well other than that all i would do is nerf charms
great mod
hazy sentinel
not as good as bonfire mod 
vagrant leaf
what even is bonfire mod
copper nacelle
HellMod
copper nacelle
# Hell Mod
#### By 56
## Effects
- 1/2 Nail Damage
- 2x incoming damage
- 1/3 max SOUL
- 1/2 SOUL collection
- no SOUL collection while your shade is alive
- Heal focus is nerfed to Deep Focus speed
- Deep focus multiplier increased by 1.3725
- Dream shield only costs 1 notch (bugged, shows up as 1 but still uses 3)
## Installation
Hell Mod is an API mod, so install the Hollow Knight API (by Seanpr, Firezen, and Wyza) and then place the HellMod.dll into the Mods folder
currently trying to nerf spells
as well
gritty gazelle
oh okey
rose barn
oh god please no
gritty gazelle
i as going to ask about hell mod because i was installing the bossrush mod that is in the same google doc than hell mod
rose barn
you do not understand what i went through trying to speedrun that last night
gritty gazelle
jajaja
copper nacelle
@rose barn lol
gritty gazelle
i just finished hollow knight at 106% and the hunter`s journal is complete, so i want a challenge
copper nacelle
how far did you get for steel soul
rose barn
i can wait
copper nacelle
ok
rose barn
hurry up
copper nacelle
I'll give you the half finished version
rose barn
btw i didn't know double damage was a thing until shade skip into blue lake...
gritty gazelle
bossrush, what do you reccomend: grimm child, shape of unn or fragile strenght
vagrant leaf
strengh probably
gritty gazelle
okey thanks
copper nacelle
@rose barn you're doing old nail, right?
gritty gazelle
sharpened nail or spore shroom? (the another one is wayward compass)
(feeling the cry cry)
cri cri?*
quartz trout
Ahah, I think Joni's Blessing breaks the Boss Rush mod... I can't focus to absorb the hollow knight :<
copper nacelle
@rose barn I think this should work
I'll test it in a min
but it should have
4/5 spell damage
might make it 3/4 later ¯_(ツ)_/¯
rose barn
do i need to start a new playthrough
copper nacelle
no
@rose barn did you have the shade bug?
where when you died it would keep your shade with you
rose barn
no
copper nacelle
shit
I may have broken death
just a little bit
should be fine for steel soul tho
lol
gritty gazelle
i am not the only want that thinks that the masntir lords are harder than the radiance, right?
the only one that*^
gritty gazelle
someone wants to see how i defeated the Hollow Knight when he was invicible?
copper nacelle
debug mod
gritty gazelle
for boss rush
copper nacelle
soul catcher
gritty gazelle
ok thanks
copper nacelle
ye
copper nacelle
@rose barn @fair rampart nearly working spell nerf (doesn't affect a few weird mobs, but that shouldn't matter much)
the old one that I tried was rounding (6/5) before multiplying so I had to change it to a double then Math.Round then cast to an int
@hazy sentinel 👋 bye spells
flukenest is ~~probably ~~still OP 
gritty gazelle
lulz
just battled grimm down of the gournd
ground*
bugged the game
bossrush bugged
XD
gritty gazelle
i was under the ground
copper nacelle
nice
gritty gazelle
wanna see when it`s uploaded?
copper nacelle
yes
gritty gazelle
(sorry my bad english, i am from Argentina)
only one question... how can i uninstall one mod to install another one?
copper nacelle
inside the Mods folder
either
create a new folder and put the old mods in there (this lets you put them back later)
OR
just delete the .dll
NOTE: Some of the API mods work together
@fair rampart should I do an Old Nail Randomizer Hell Mod run?
copper nacelle
the main ones I can think of:
Glass Soul (api) + boss rush
glass soul (api) + randomizer
hell mod + randomizer
hell mod + boss rush
yeah, I created hell mod
gritty gazelle
what is randomizer?
copper nacelle
randomizer swaps all charms/spells/movement ability locations with each other
gritty gazelle
that sounds... funny
copper nacelle
shrinks/grows you
and scales damage with that
(smaller = less damage, bigger = more damage)
note that you can't use Glass Soul (not the api port), Lightbringer, Scale Mod, and shitmodst with any other mod
because they aren't API
also, try shitmodst
gritty gazelle
what is it?
gritty gazelle
all the mods here are api mods? https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9Um9MeFZMV21oWGs or not?
copper nacelle
but basically:
- character model doesn't change movement direction except on scene load (you can still move in both directions tho)
- absurd nail range
- absurd nail damage
- nail takes 1 health and has no range until you get to 1 health
@gritty gazelle no
the ones which aren't are:
shitmodst
lightbringer
glass soul
and dream shield co-op
NOTE: being API just means you can sometimes use other mods with it
the mods are still good and you should play them
gritty gazelle
thanks
you are very helpful
maybe using more saves mod will be very helpful xD
what charm notch mod does?
leaden hedge
You get salubra notches for collecting charms
gritty gazelle
what nightmare god grimm doeS?
leaden hedge
Adds hard content into the game
gritty gazelle
like what?
leaden hedge
Its makes the nightmare king Grimm fight extremely hard
gritty gazelle
more than alredy is xD?
thanks for everything :3
i think that i am gona use Hell Mod+Randomiser
what is player data tracker?
and bonfire?
copper nacelle
bonfire lets you level up
leaden hedge
PDT let's you have overlays on your stream
leaden hedge
It is
gritty gazelle
great, thanks
copper nacelle
idk if hell mod and bonfire damage will be weird
leaden hedge
Although hell and bonfire might override each others values
gritty gazelle
gotta bug them all
copper nacelle
@leaden hedge is more saves using a different API version
cause I compiled the newest thing from github and it still wouldn't work
also:
do you know why OnColliderCreate isn't affecting all enemies
leaden hedge
It does use a new version dunno if stuff for it got pulled
gritty gazelle
why randomizer mod says "New version avaible" upleft in game menu?
leaden hedge
Are you checking health_manager_enemy and health_manager
gritty gazelle
i have 1.5.1, downloaded from google docs, where can i find another version?
rain cedar
It says that because the version checking is broken
copper nacelle
by got pulled do you mean not yet in the github thing?
rain cedar
I've been away from my desktop for winter break, but I'm going back to campus this weekend
copper nacelle
because I was compiling from the github thing
rain cedar
I've got a big list of things I need to fix/change for my mods
gritty gazelle
there is too much modders connected at same time .-. i will slowly run away to play the mods ok?
quartz trout
Is Lightbringer like a rework of the campaign, or..?
copper nacelle
rework of attacking
nail --> ranged lance
and charms are massively changed
and there's a new boss
quartz trout
Hmm, I might check it out
quartz trout
Oh, by the way, @leaden hedge , does Hollow Knight always break in the boss rush mod? Haven't been able to absorb him after beating him yet
Yeah I'm gonna check out the randomizer for sure, exploring is my favorite part of HK and that'd be like exploring it all over again
quartz trout
Oh I probably need to update
Thanks :> Do the useless charms still show up as rewards?
Like gathering swarm/compass, the actually useless ones
quartz trout
Gotcha gotcha, not a big deal since I get pretty super strong anyway from the excess charms
leaden hedge
Yeah I'll probably be implementing a notch system where you can skip to gain notches
And for every charm over the limit you take 2x damage
quartz trout
Oh, I like that idea
copper nacelle
wait give me quarter of a se
KDT told me how to completely fix it
ok ~1 min till done testing
then will drop
@fair rampart @rose barn spell damage nerfed
doesn't seem to work on crawlids for some reason
they still have 8 health
¯_(ツ)_/¯
copper nacelle
increased health which is basically decreasing spell damage
(because I also buffed nail)
copper nacelle
OH shit
I think I figured out which enemies aren't working
it's the ones that respawn on room change
so the weak ones which don't matter
@rose barn tell me if you die
copper nacelle
until tof 
I haven't tried any hardish bosses besides mantis lords
and those were hell
copper nacelle
rip
rose barn
i did hornet 2, watcher kngihts, that's like all the difficult stuff in the main game
copper nacelle
holy shit
copper nacelle
you also proved verulean trash at hk
also nice
I look forward to seeing you beat everyone else
rose barn
btw what mods stack
copper nacelle
hellmod, glass soul api, and randomizer
I think
bonfire might stack with randomizer and glass soul as well
Nameless god grimm with all API I think
fair rampart
nice 56 what did you nerf
gritty gazelle
you have to move contain of the mod zip on the game`s folder
spice spade
i did its not working
buoyant obsidian
Verify your game files on Steam then try again
spice spade
im not using steam on it
buoyant obsidian
Hopefully you backed up your files then
I'm not sure if other services have a verify game files equivalent
You can also just try installing it again following the instructions in the readme.txt
buoyant obsidian
Is the game crashing or just loading up like normal?
spice spade
at first it kept crashing when i replaced the files but now it just loads up but this time i skipped the files
buoyant obsidian
Replace the hollow_knight_data folder then replace the Assembly-CSharp.dll file from the DRM-free folder
If you're on 1.2.2.1 it'll definitely work
(as long as you're on Windows)
spice spade
i literely just did what u said
ima go test it then a nd comeback
e
well know my game s in a infinite loading state
buoyant obsidian
I really don't know what to say
Mystery solved, he was using the cracked version
young walrus
_gitgud
gritty gazelle
there is any mod that adds bosses modifications?
gritty gazelle
how NGG modiffies the grimm?
hazy sentinel
you die
buoyant obsidian
Lightbringer has a single modified boss
young walrus
#playlightbringer
gritty gazelle
yeah i played lightbringer
hazy sentinel
technically there's still like a -5% chance of beating NGG 
gritty gazelle
i think yes because i play games on GOG and in gog are drm free
hazy sentinel
buy the game kthx
fair rampart
Well
gritty gazelle
you buy game on GOG but they are like pirate games
fair rampart
u should test it
gritty gazelle
so yes, they should work
fair rampart
I heard it doesn't work on GOG
spice spade
what about ocean of games
gritty gazelle
wtf is that
gritty gazelle
GOG is not apirate site e.e
gritty gazelle
but the games are DRM-free (works no steam)
you dont need steam or be connected to something to play DRM-free games
are just like the pirate games but buying the games
spice spade
whats its name ill download it then and test
gritty gazelle
in GOG you have to buy the games
gritty gazelle
you are giving money to the creators of Hollow Knight and the other games
the games are cheapers because the % of the price that gog gets is lower than the steam %
spice spade
then what if a game cost $0.01
gritty gazelle
Hollow Knight in gog is 8.82 usd
gritty gazelle
in steam is 15usd
spice spade
gritty gazelle
so i will keep playing the mods
spice spade
oh ok
fair rampart
hollow knight here on steam is 7.75usd according to google
Regional diffrences i guess
spice spade
btw im only 6-7 hours into hollow knight first playthrough
buoyant obsidian
perhaps it's not time for mods then
spice spade
ik
gritty gazelle
@fair rampart discounts maybe?
fair rampart
nop not a discount
spice spade
and im playing it on an intel hd graphics card
gritty gazelle
ohhh
fair rampart
so it might not be quite accurate
gritty gazelle
yeah
fair rampart
@spice spade what cpu?
gritty gazelle
in my country (Argentina) is like 10 usd
spice spade
intel celoron 1.60 ghz
spice spade
i did some tweaking to make it run over 30 fps
fair rampart
My pc is crap so i run it in windowed
gritty gazelle
the price changing on steam was helpfull for some countrys
fair rampart
At low res
spice spade
me to
can someone help me becaus i have some realy bad fps drop it goes from 30-40 to 0-10 pls and it last 5 seconds ppls help
fair rampart
When does that happen?
fair rampart
^
spice spade
like every 10 minutes it happens
gritty gazelle
try closing google
and other ram eater things
the Hollow Knight was invicible because my ram crashed
spice spade
wow
spice spade
whats the video
gritty gazelle
i battled Grimm UNderground
spice spade
kweel
gritty gazelle
i uploaded that video to
spice spade
what the video
spice spade
yyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
spice spade
fair rampart
Oh yeah
My brother has the boss invisible
And he tried restarting the game and other things, still didn't work
gritty gazelle
and here is the grimm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PAtuNdkeJw
i was playing boss rush
and i get out of the room
spice spade
why are u invisible
gritty gazelle
and the boss rush get bugged so i had to uninstall the mod :8
i am underground in the grimm batlle
you can see me jumping sometimes
spice spade
oh yea i just analzed the title
i thougt u would be in like the actual undergroung like in the weaver dens or something
gritty gazelle
nope, just under the ground
spice spade
kwell
gritty gazelle
what are you doing?
gritty gazelle
just what are you doing .-.
spice spade
sitting in ma bed talkig on discord
gritty gazelle
do you have buyed Hollow Knight?
spice spade
its no dont got no money
spice spade
anyway is it better to us ea keybard or controllr
leaden hedge
No
leaden hedge
I play on an arcade stick and can play the game at "high" level
buoyant obsidian
Personally I use a brainwave helmet
spice spade
lit
gritty gazelle
r u trolling him?
leaden hedge
I play on a qanba q1 and can match trinomi and monstahler boss kill times, you can play on whatever
gritty gazelle
playing with a arcade stick sounds fun
now i want to play the game with a arcade stick
leaden hedge
Its slightly easier with a keyboard to hard skips
But nothing you'd need to do outside of a gimmick speedrun
spice spade
what that
fair rampart
Gimmick speedrun, aka doing glitches
Basically keyboard is more precise, but even in glitch speedruns its still better to just stick to waht you're used to
leaden hedge
Nah like most glitches are pretty easy but some of the low% or meme route nmg is easier on kb
leaden hedge
But nothing uses that advantage
spice spade
i use keboard dont got a controller (that works anyways)
fair rampart
Ya same
spice spade
do u have acess to a cntroller
gritty gazelle
i use a ps3 controller
because my little brother has a ps3
so i take one of his controllers to play HK
young walrus
wow u dirty theif
fair rampart
wow u dirty theif
spice spade
lol
copper nacelle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fair rampart
Does glass soul work with the API?
Anyone?
Aaaa it doesnt
@buoyant obsidian is there any way to make glass soul work with api?
buoyant obsidian
There's an API version
pearl sentinel
enemy randomizer progress: https://clips.twitch.tv/ThankfulPricklyCamelTTours
fair rampart
lol
pearl sentinel
i kindof want to just put a zote in town that always tries to kill you as you walk through
fair rampart
Mantis village or traitor mantis camp
copper nacelle
@fair rampart it's not in the google drive
I don't think there's a compiled version available
I'll compile it if you want
fair rampart
Would be apreciated
vagrant leaf
how does dreamshield co-op work?
copper nacelle
@fair rampart this should work
vagrant leaf
i read the readme inside but i have no friends to test it out
vagrant leaf
does it have free movement?
fair rampart
I just put it in the mods folder, right?
copper nacelle
yes and yes
copper nacelle
yw
fair rampart
Is there any way to equip charms without sitting on a bench?
fair rampart
Ok so atm i'm pretty sure the reason debug keeps breaking is making new saves
Everytime i make a new save its like an 80% chance of crashing
I have boss rush installed too btw
buoyant obsidian
VRChat nooo
buoyant wasp
i don't get the implication
ornate rivet
@buoyant obsidian
Does lightbringer have lore?
stray mirage
ornate rivet
but then why do you fight the radiance
buoyant obsidian
Because Empress Muzznik
charred parrot
is there a way to see how Team Cherry set up the FSMs for objects in the game?
buoyant wasp
there's also a pinned FSM viewer
charred parrot
which one is the viewer?
copper nacelle
@charred parrot use the FSM viewer and the FSM viewer mod thingy
the mod outputs a shit load of .json files
you put var fsm = before the beginning of the file
and rename it to data.json
and put it in the folder of the VIEWER
then you can look at the FSM
buoyant wasp
i also put out one that works in win10 that doesn't require the rename, it's basically the same code, except you point it at a folder and can load them all just by a simple search
buoyant wasp
just search for the from:wyza, has:file. it's up there somewhere from a couple weeks ago
copper nacelle
buoyant wasp
@charred parrot - pretty much. The FSM stuff is crazy
charred parrot
oh boy
Mod Lore
1 step above general fanfictions
Ya I've been looking at a couple of FSMs for enemy AI. Shit gets real spaghetti looking after a while.
copper nacelle
after a while 10 seconds
charred parrot
I'm sure it made perfect logical sense as it was being put together
but as an outsider looking in
yeeeeesh
buoyant wasp
you are rather generous
as game creators, TC are great, as programmers.....well, not
rain cedar
Playmaker isn't even programming, though
buoyant wasp
no, but it is logic. which, in general, is something you expect from a programmer
rain cedar
The biggest problem with all the FSM stuff is how poorly they organized the states visually
buoyant wasp
yeah
rain cedar
Which is of course going to lead to missing logic errors
Because it just looks like a plate of spaghetti
buoyant wasp
spaghetti would taste better
copper nacelle
✅
charred parrot
well I mean I assume when they put the game together they were like "let's make this thing work" and not "let's give future modders an aneurysm".
rain cedar
Yes because the only reason to have well maintained game code/fsm/whatever is for the benefit of modders
charred parrot
fair enough
kk gonna try to look at these things now
asking me for sketchy certifications
always good
buoyant obsidian
Does infected crossroads have different scene names from normal crossroads?
rain cedar
Nah don't think so
buoyant obsidian
hmm
I just got a report that someone killed Empress Muzznik in a single cyclone slash and wasn't sure why
rain cedar
A single cyclone slash could easily be like 400 damage
I don't know how much health you put on this thing
Oh wait it's probably not affected by fs or fury
So it couldn't be anywhere near that much
buoyant obsidian
1500 hp
Figured it out
Colosseum of Fools Gruz Mother happened
I guess you can skip the Gruz Mother arena fight and still get 106%
rain cedar
Not unless you've changed the % calculation
buoyant obsidian
charred parrot
good ol' bigfly
buoyant obsidian
This gets satisfied by the Colosseum
buoyant obsidian
depending on your definition of room yeah
charred parrot
like "load zone" I guess
buoyant obsidian
Yeah I think so
charred parrot
I recently got into game design and I'm super interested in learning how they put the game together
rain cedar
It's just unity scenes
charred parrot
and they just have some FSM causing the transitions between them?
rain cedar
I don't think transitions are triggered by an FSM
Maybe
If you just look at the load functions in dnspy you can see what calls them
If there's nothing from a class like TransitionPoint it's likely FSM
charred parrot
hmm
kk
Its actually nice to see how active the modding community is
mods are the lifeblood of games after normal development ends
buoyant wasp
heh, the last 4 weeks we've been increadibly inactive
compared the previous 3 months
charred parrot
santa stealing the modders away?
buoyant wasp
something to that effect
holidays, plus for me anyway, was approaching burnout. had been working on stuff like 2-3 hours a day for several weeks and it was getting bleh.
soft rain
does boss rush integrate with lightbringer?
rain cedar
Nah, lightbringer is one of the few mods that isn't really compatible with anything
leaden hedge
It could be if a certain numerically named person ported it but alas
rain cedar
Maybe you should do it
leaden hedge
If 753 gives me all the relevant code I'll do it
crimson venture
The randomizer mod is so much fun, i'm learning a lot of stuff i've never thought of doing before like crystal peak without mantis claws. Seanpr and Firzen did a great job 
ornate rivet
I think I got stuck in the soul sanctum after beating soul master
I dont have mantis claw or dash and there is an area where I cant pogo off of anything and my double jump isnt high enough
fair rampart
well rip
ornate rivet
also, killing soul master locks you there so you cant quit to menu to respawn at bench
crimson venture
@ornate rivet i was in the same situation about 5 mins ago
ornate rivet
did you fix it?
crimson venture
yeah
ornate rivet
how
crimson venture
i had desolate dive though
ornate rivet
what did you do
crimson venture
i don't know if you're doing the randomizer as well
ornate rivet
yes I am
ornate rivet
what
crimson venture
what exact part are you stuck on
ornate rivet
crimson venture
you pogo off of the breakable object in the background, it respawns if you leave the room
ornate rivet
WAT
crimson venture
ye
ornate rivet
yea, I know the crystal peak skip
thanks, too bad I deleted it because I thought I was locked
leaden hedge
@buoyant wasp https://gfycat.com/AllWellmadeEelelephant I've currently got this working with a couple "minor" issues, "minor" being somehow this causes keyboard controls to be unbindable 🤔
but I'm sure no one would notice that
ripe plover
boss rush made me realize that radiance is possible without double jump
fair rampart
Really?
leaden hedge
you only need claw
fair rampart
what if you have neither
leaden hedge
you can't do the final ascent
buoyant wasp
lol, "somehow"
rain cedar
Ok sure @fair rampart
leaden hedge
@buoyant wasp I legit have no idea how it happens https://github.com/KayDeeTee/hk-modloader/tree/master/src
if it crashes on ModLoader.cs on line 228 it doesn't happen
and you don't even need to go into any menu for it to break
buoyant wasp
does it unbind your entire keyboard?
leaden hedge
yeah cant rebind it either
unbinds the controller except for dreamnail or smth
but that still works
kb is still unresponsive
leaden hedge
but yeah if you can fix that all you need to do is
A) merge it into modding api
B) add cancel action in MenuSelectable for quitting out of the mod menu
C) call a callback in FauxMenuOptionHorizontal.UpdateSetting to tell the mod the new updated value
bonus points for
D) getting a list of strings from the mod as options i.e. off, easy, normal, hard
I guess there is one other issue in that if you have like 15 mods installed it'll go over the back button and then offscreen
vagrant leaf
shoud blackmoth start with shadow dash?
buoyant wasp
@leaden hedge - I'm sure i've missed something simple, but i was trying to use CanvasUtil to add an onscreen copy of the ModLog.txt in the API (going to toggle it via a config entry). It seems to "work", but doesn't show up. I'm guessing I need to add it to the gui somehow, but I must be missing it
internal class Console : MonoBehaviour
{
public static GameObject OverlayCanvas;
private static GameObject _textPanel;
public void Start()
{
DontDestroyOnLoad(gameObject);
if (OverlayCanvas == null) {
CanvasUtil.CreateFonts();
OverlayCanvas = CanvasUtil.CreateCanvas(RenderMode.ScreenSpaceOverlay, new Vector2(1920, 1080));
OverlayCanvas.name = "ModdingApiConsoleLog";
DontDestroyOnLoad(OverlayCanvas);
_textPanel = CanvasUtil.CreateTextPanel(OverlayCanvas, string.Empty, 32, TextAnchor.MiddleCenter,
new CanvasUtil.RectData(new Vector2(1920, 200), new Vector2(0, 410)), true);
}
}
public void AddText(string message)
{
if (_textPanel != null)
_textPanel.GetComponent<UnityEngine.UI.Text>().text += message + "\n";
}
}
internal void LogConsole(string message)
{
if (GlobalSettings.ShowDebugLogInGame)
{
if (_console == null)
_console = new Console();
_console.AddText(message);
}
}
so the first thing is the class
the second thing is inside of ModHooks
guessing that after I instantiate Console() i need to add it to something
leaden hedge
its a monobehaviour so it needs to be on a gameobject
GameObject go = new GameObject();
Console c = go.AddComponent<Console>();
instead of new Console()
buoyant wasp
k
leaden hedge
well _console
buoyant wasp
yeah
i follow
i'm guessing my method to add the text isn't the best since I'm rewriting whatever the window is every time, but I have no idea how to make an actual scrollable text box that you can just append to
leaden hedge
scroll rects are weird
buoyant wasp
we'll see once i have it working if it really matters
probably won't
unless someone tries to dump thousands of lines to the modlog
it's hard to not fall into the "premature optimization" trap
buoyant wasp
"why isn't this still working", "because the setting that controls whether or not to even try to show it is off", derp
crimson venture
doing a randomizer mod and i just got mantis claws 7 hours in 
solemn rivet
sup mah peopl! Back in time for AGDQ! How's modding going?
leaden hedge
but this is AGDQ 🤔
rain cedar
Since when is summer games done quick in winter?
thorn comet
Its summer though Kappa
left dew
Do you need to know some skips for the randomizer?
solemn rivet
wut u talking about 
leaden hedge
on hard yes
leaden hedge
thats not how seasons work
crimson venture
@left dew i know some but no thanks, it's funner this way
leaden hedge
but ok
left dew
ok I prefer it without them too
crimson venture
i pogo'd through the entire game lol
rain cedar
Upside down folks don't count