archived-modding-development

[copper nacelle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[serene spindle]

thanks

Is there any way to convert the API files?

[copper nacelle]

convert?

[young walrus]

Like... port it for mac

[serene spindle]

Yeah

[leaden hedge]

the api files themselves wouldn't need to be converted

just api would need to ported

[copper nacelle]

new HellMod with nerfed healing added

[keen mesa]

What's HellMode?

[copper nacelle]

@keen mesa
-1/3 max SOUL
-1/2 soul gain
-1/2 nail damage
-2x incoming damage
-healing is deep focus speed by default
-(TO BE ADDED) nerfed flukenest

[keen mesa]

That just sounds rude

[young walrus]

sounds pretty fun actually

this an API mod then?

[copper nacelle]

yes

not doing API seems painful

[young walrus]

agreed

[keen mesa]

What's the Save Manager do?

[copper nacelle]

edit saves

you can give charms and abilities and nail upgrades and heath

and take it away

[keen mesa]

Ohh cool, so I could just give myself 106% basically with a brand new save? lol

SOunds like it might not play nice at times.

[copper nacelle]

you can also use debug mod to do stuff like that which is fun

you can also clones enemies and make enemies have 9999 health

[keen mesa]

=o

Okay where do I save this API d/l and more saves thing?

[rain cedar]

I don't even know what use cloning enemies has other than fucking around

[copper nacelle]

fighting 2 bosses at once

for additional challenge

[rain cedar]

So... fucking around?

[copper nacelle]

except I've heard that doesn't work

[hollow pier]

double empress muzznik when

[copper nacelle]

yeah basically

:/

[rain cedar]

And nah you can clone bosses

[hollow pier]

double nkg???

[rain cedar]

Might be a bit weird when they die

Idk

[buoyant obsidian]

yeah cloning bosses is easy, dream bosses will boot you from the fight though when one dies

[keen mesa]

Where do I save this API d/l and more saves thing?

[ornate rivet]

if you clone a boss like hornet and beat one the other one becomes invincible

[copper nacelle]

oof

[ornate rivet]

yea

[copper nacelle]

maybe that's just hornet? Because she becomes invincible after defeating her for real

[ornate rivet]

maybe

[rain cedar]

You just put mods in your game folder @keen mesa

[copper nacelle]

^

it's in the steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight folder if I remember the path right

[serene spindle]

Is there any possiblity that someone will port the API files so that they will become mac compatible

[hollow pier]

what if you beat both bosses at once

[keen mesa]

ty!

[rain cedar]

Porting to mac is in theory pretty simple

[buoyant wasp]

problem is mostly that the modders don't own a mac that can run HK afaik.

[serene spindle]

Alright

I own a mac

What should I do

[buoyant wasp]

learn .net? 😃

[keen mesa]

Oh I put it into managed

Mods folder

[buoyant wasp]

@keen mesa there's a video

pinned

[buoyant obsidian]

Ship the Mac to a modder ;)

[rain cedar]

We could probably port it to mac by just compiling against the vanilla mac dll instead of windows, honestly

[keen mesa]

ty

[rain cedar]

I doubt any of the changes in it are relevant to the bits we're changing

[buoyant wasp]

i'd have to look at how monomod does relinking

[serene spindle]

Thanks

[buoyant wasp]

to see if it screws with stuff that is platform specific

something i'll look at this evening after dinner

we'd definitely need all the managed dlls though

[serene spindle]

Okay

[rain cedar]

It's weird to me that the mac version is even using dlls

[serene spindle]

Why is that?

[buoyant wasp]

I might be able to just download them from my humble bundle install

[rain cedar]

Because that's not a mac thing

[leaden hedge]

you have to do specific stuff to fight two bosses without it breaking

[buoyant wasp]

cause traditionally dlls are windows files, but unity+mono does dlls on macs, which is just...weird

[leaden hedge]

ala ngg

[rain cedar]

Just repinning the mods list since dreamshield was above it

[keen mesa]

Are there any mods I should be aware of? Ones that may bork my game, completely game the change or require new saves?

[buoyant obsidian]

Lightbringer will mess with your damage on your save files, so back them up.

[keen mesa]

Think that was the case with Glass Soul and Lightbringer, afaik boss rush removes the normal game, and trhen randomizer I guess generates new random games every play?

[rain cedar]

As a general rule you should be backing up both your saves and game files

[young walrus]

^

[keen mesa]

Yeah fer sure

[young walrus]

yeah. don't open saves with mods active

just don't do it. lol

[buoyant obsidian]

If you have Steam backing up your game files isn't really necessary

[young walrus]

except debug mod probably

[buoyant obsidian]

but always back up saves, even in vanilla tbh

[keen mesa]

Yeah

So, I want to have that Mods folder in the games folder right? For the MoreSaves do I leave that in the Mods folder or move it? Trying both but it doesn't seem like it's working to add pages.

[copper nacelle]

I'll try compiling the API against the Mac files

in a bit

cause I've got a Hackintosh set up

[serene spindle]

Thank you

[copper nacelle]

yw

not sure if it'll work but I'll give it a shot after I eat

[young walrus]

just watch the video in pins @keen mesa

[keen mesa]

I watched the mod video for boss rush

[young walrus]

it's how you install all API mods

[keen mesa]

Already added the API and it showes it in the top

But the MoreSaves mod is not working for me.

[young walrus]

more saves is not an API mod

[copper nacelle]

wut

[rain cedar]

Isn't it?

[copper nacelle]

yes it is

[young walrus]

oh

more saves

[copper nacelle]

yeah

the best mod

[young walrus]

was thinking the save editor

[keen mesa]

Do I want the .dll here or in Mods?

[copper nacelle]

@keen mesa put the mods in Mods

[young walrus]

mods

[rain cedar]

Just put it in your documents folder tbh

[young walrus]

the folder structure should put everything in the spot it needs to go

[keen mesa]

Okay so remove it from Managed, leave it in mods.

[serene spindle]

Once again, thanks 56.

[copper nacelle]

it doesn't matter if it's in Managed, only that it's in Mods

@serene spindle yw

[young walrus]

it won't run unless it's in Mods

[keen mesa]

Okay, how do I get it to work ingame?

[young walrus]

even a sub folder in mods, won't run it

[copper nacelle]

just open the game and it should be active

[keen mesa]

Wasn't for me

[copper nacelle]

show the Mods folder

also, API was active, right?

[keen mesa]

It shows it in the top left if that's what you mean

Ingame

[copper nacelle]

yeah

show a screenshot of the Mods folder

also relaunch the game if you haven't already

[young walrus]

does the more saves one show top left too?

it should if it's running

[copper nacelle]

^

[keen mesa]

Will check that

No only shows modding API

[copper nacelle]

did you relaunch the game

[buoyant wasp]

do you know where your saves folder is at? (if so, go grab ModLog.txt)

[copper nacelle]

also try another mod to see if it's just more saves

[keen mesa]

Relaunched several times

What's another good mod to have?

[copper nacelle]

HellMod

[buoyant wasp]

eh, just go grab ModLog.txt

[copper nacelle]

^

[buoyant wasp]

someone with the path handy post it por favor 😉

[keen mesa]

I know where the saves are, what am I getting?

[copper nacelle]

ModLog.txt

%localappdata%\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight

that was painful to type on mobile

[keen mesa]

[INFO]:[API] - Adding GitHub SSL Cert to Allow for Checking of Mod Versions
[INFO]:CN=*.github.com, O="GitHub, Inc.", L=San Francisco, S=California, C=US
[INFO]:GameLoading
[INFO]:[API] - Trying to load mods
[ERROR]:[API] - Error: System.MissingMethodException: Method not found: 'Modding.ModHooks.get_Logger'.
at Modding.ModLoader.LoadMods () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
[INFO]:Saving Global Settings

[leaden hedge]

you're using the release version of the api

that moresaves is on a bleeding edge version

[copper nacelle]

couldn't you also use the old version of more saves

also what did you change

cause I haven't updated since ever

[keen mesa]

Bleeding edge?

[copper nacelle]

not yet released, on GitHub probably

you might have to compile it

[keen mesa]

I wouldn't know how to do that

[copper nacelle]

you could ask KDT for it maybe

[leaden hedge]

ask wyza

[keen mesa]

Well, atleast I have the current API for other things right? Idk what I would need to change or do but the more saves isn't necessary atm just yet

[buoyant wasp]

look for from:wyza has:file

in search

here

the most recent API version is there

Now that the races are over, I'll post the most up to date one i have tonight

and update gdrive

[young walrus]

same for rando too yeah?

[buoyant wasp]

yeah

[young walrus]

just structure was changed with it yeah?

that and the claw requirement for fury

[buoyant wasp]

logically, i don't think much, if anything, changed. @rain cedar would have to say. I know mostly it was internal changes to make it cleaner

[copper nacelle]

clean code
absolutelynotme_irl

[rain cedar]

I changed a few things but I couldn't say what

[young walrus]

#hk-helpful

[rain cedar]

Also "cleaner", not clean

[keen mesa]

Can;t get the from:wyza thing to work

[copper nacelle]

@keen mesa from:[LW] Wyza#1018 has:file

[young walrus]

looks like it was sent on 12/02

[keen mesa]

The from: thing doesn't work for me for some reason but has: does

[buoyant wasp]

1.2.2.1-24

[leaden hedge]

are you in stream mode

close obs

[keen mesa]

Yes

OBS is closed

But in stream mode

[young walrus]

then exit stream mode

or just take what wyza just posted

lol

[keen mesa]

Ahh okay, didn't know that affected it

This is good for learning though

[leaden hedge]

stream mode blocks id numbers

which is technically need to search

but not really

[keen mesa]

Gotcha, ty

[leaden hedge]

its a bit of an odd rule

[keen mesa]

For some reason I have to have it hard-off, the automatic thing isn't working

Either way, ty

Now it shows nothing in the top left corner.

When I put it into Managed.

[copper nacelle]

you are replace the existing assembly c sharp

right

[keen mesa]

Yeah

[copper nacelle]

*replacing

[keen mesa]

Mod API not showing in top left and moresaves not working anymore than it was ahah.

I guess besides figuring this out, is it possible to my my controller for the game when the app window is not selected?

[copper nacelle]

maybe with borderless gaming

idk tho, can't test because no controller and not at home

[keen mesa]

Borderless is same as full

[leaden hedge]

use native input

[keen mesa]

Okay, ty

[surreal helm]

is the boss rush in the pinned google drive link the most recent version?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9Um9MeFZMV21oWGs?usp=sharing

[copper nacelle]

@serene spindle going to try compiling it on mac now

wait

do I need to compile with mono or can i just take the assembly-csharp and stuff

should I use

.NET Core or Mono

[rain cedar]

Everything is already set up for the visual studio project at https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding

[copper nacelle]

ik

but

do I need to compile it with Mono on Mac

or can I move the files to windows

or should I compile with .NET Core on Mac

[rain cedar]

I would just move the files to windows

Don't really have a technical reasoning for that, though

Wyza might

[copper nacelle]

alright

thanks

[leaden hedge]

that version should be current enough

[copper nacelle]

ahh

wtf

the mac files are organized weirdly

[serene spindle]

How so?

[copper nacelle]

they're in different spots

hollow_knight.app --> Resources --> Data --> stuff

not that weird but kinda weird

[serene spindle]

I know what you mean

[copper nacelle]

Windows can't access HFS+ nor ext4, ext3, btrfs, etc

macOS can access linux filesystems if you get FUSE and has built in NTFS support

Linux can access HFS+ and NTFS

[serene spindle]

I though macs were supposed to be more closed-ended...

lol

[copper nacelle]

in addition

you can change GTK keybindings completely

you can change mac keybindings in ~/Library/KeyBindings/DefaultKeyBinding.dict

but I don't think you can change global windows bindings without AutoHotKey or something of the sort

[serene spindle]

I have changed them before

[copper nacelle]

the global windows hotkeys?

[serene spindle]

GTK keybindings

[copper nacelle]

ik

I have all keybindings set as Emacs

GTK bindings are Emacs

Mac global bindings are emacs

My keyboard firmware has a layer that is emacs bindings now

but I haven't made a script in AutoHotKey for windows yet

leaving this here for a sec (Mac's Managed folder): https://send.firefox.com/download/f22569bc13/#QbMTAmaJOcPPPFJ3aKWP9g

[serene spindle]

I downloaded it

What now?

[copper nacelle]

wait no

you don't need to do anything those are already the Mac files

I just left them on this discord because I didn't wanna email myself it or anything

[copper nacelle]

@buoyant wasp do I need dotnet 3.5 or is 4 alright

[buoyant wasp]

3.5 only, technically it's not even 3.5 it's Mono's 3.5

but compiling against 3.5 should work

monomod relinks it after the build

[copper nacelle]

so should I get mono 3.5

or "change the target to .NET framework 4.6.1"

or download the targeting pack

[buoyant wasp]

you shouldn't need to change anything

you should be able to just clone the API repo

and build

[buoyant wasp]

what program is that?

[copper nacelle]

VS Community edition

[buoyant wasp]

interesting, not familiar with that theme

[copper nacelle]

there are themes?

[buoyant wasp]

dunno, the window title just looks weird 😃

[copper nacelle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I've been using emacs for everything else so I don't know much about customizing VS

other than adding a Vim extension because vim is life

[buoyant wasp]

you shouldn't need to install mono at all

[copper nacelle]

should I get the targeting pack?

or should I just compile from the command line w/ mono

[buoyant wasp]

eh, you could, but it'd be a pain cause you'd have to go manually do a bunch of postbuild tasks

[copper nacelle]

for the former or the latter?

[buoyant wasp]

manually building on the command line.

just try the targetting pack

[copper nacelle]

alright

I also found dotnetfx35 (3.5 framework SP1)

[buoyant wasp]

still weird that VS2017 didn't install it

thought it was the in there by default

[copper nacelle]

VS includes everything that isn't 3.5 iirc

[buoyant wasp]

lol

must have been because i had 2015 installed at some point

[copper nacelle]

apparently it should have downloaded the targeting pack w/ VS

but

it didn't cause it hates me

got the pack I think

nope

and VS is unable to open links because it still hates me

I checked all the boxes

and found another targeting pack download

if this doesn't work

[buoyant wasp]

is this windows?

[copper nacelle]

I will die

yes

I was in Hackintosh, but rebooted back into Win10

[copper nacelle]

it doesn't let me open the thing tho

just trying to open the solution causes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/392824708539875339/unknown.png

so I found the targeting pack I think

and am installing all the other ones just in case

[buoyant wasp]

you may have to just install the .net 3.5 framework entirely

[copper nacelle]

tried that also

gave some weird error

[buoyant wasp]

lol

[copper nacelle]

and it now says to reboot

and I didn't install the other targeting pack

[buoyant wasp]

yeah, no surprises there

i wish we could target 4.5

but we can't cause the game is compiled against 3.5

[copper nacelle]

that'd be amazing

[buoyant wasp]

we tried

[copper nacelle]

rip

if this targeting pack and the other 7 don't work

[buoyant wasp]

idk, cause sean was able to download and build with no issues, so i know it works outside of my environment 😦

[copper nacelle]

vs just hates me

tfw it says reapply the multi Targeting pack

me if this doesn't work

ASDHAKLJSDHAKLJSD HILUAWHEIOULQWHILUQW HJELIAJSIDOJNASD

I changed it to 4.6.1

and am going to try changing it back

.NET 3.5 is not in targeting frameworks ree

AHA

it's time

apparently windows update was needed

and I turned off windows update

:/

turned it on and now it's installing

time for life

I quit life

[buoyant wasp]

lol

[copper nacelle]

why does it hate D:

D: is nice

D: has space

[buoyant wasp]

might want to get bigger disks 😉

[copper nacelle]

C: is actually 128

and D: is 1TB

and I've got another 1TB sitting on my desk that I need to install

but also

lazy

LIFE IS GREAT

[buoyant wasp]

don't think you've partitioned it enough

[copper nacelle]

24 more GB

no

one partition is EFI (needed for booting)

one partition is Linux

another is other linux which I need to remove

another is hackintosh

and one is windows

wait wtf

there's an extra partition that shouldn't exist

[sick arch]

monkaS

[copper nacelle]

Saknom?

monkaS?

[sick arch]

twitch emote, basically frightened face lol

[copper nacelle]

lol

[buoyant wasp]

@rain cedar I don't think your version check is working for 1.5.1

[copper nacelle]

thank god

@buoyant wasp how do you change the targeting version

[buoyant wasp]

Project->Properties->Build

[copper nacelle]

mine was in Application apparently

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[buoyant wasp]

oh, right

sorry

brain

[copper nacelle]

it's all good

I just copy paste the managed folder in and rename it to Vanilla, right?

[buoyant wasp]

yup

[copper nacelle]

Build started

[buoyant wasp]

shouldn't take long

maybe 10-20s

[copper nacelle]

succeeded

ayy

time to test

[buoyant wasp]

in theory, there should be an OutputFinal folder

that has it

[copper nacelle]

yeah

HollowKnight.Modding-master\HollowKnight.Modding-master\OutputFinal\hollow_knight_Data\Managed

[buoyant wasp]

yup

[copper nacelle]

now to zip and test on Mac

https://send.firefox.com/download/505f7aa72e/#a-jZglCwjh4jJvx3wSTLxg ignore this, just leaving it here

[keen mesa]

So now the game crashes when I do quit to menu after adding that file earlier

[copper nacelle]

rip

[buoyant wasp]

i just uploaded 1.2.2.1-26, you can try and grab that.

[copper nacelle]

the mac hollow knight logo is nice

did they switch the controller image?

it's a PS4 controller on mac

[buoyant wasp]

dunno, on mine it switches based on the controller i use

[buoyant obsidian]

wow the Mac image is real nice

Windows is .jpeg as fuck

[copper nacelle]

yeah

the output should only be an Assembly-CSharp.dll and a folder called Mods, right?

and an .xml Assembly-Csharp thingy

[buoyant wasp]

pretty much, yes

[keen mesa]

Where do I find the file? Was it added to the API list..?

[buoyant wasp]

it's just the same place as the existing API

we just update the most recent game version,

[copper nacelle]

moment of truth

[buoyant wasp]

so if you go download [1.2.2.1] Modding API.zip, it'll be v26

[copper nacelle]

nothing in the corner

[buoyant wasp]

well, at least it started 😉

i kind of figured it wouldn't have even done that

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[buoyant wasp]

K, PlayerDataDump updated, overlay updated, Modding api updated.

[copper nacelle]

nice

[rain cedar]

@buoyant wasp Yeah it's not, didn't bother to test it and haven't gotten around to fixing it either

[buoyant wasp]

np

just thought i'd tell you

[keen mesa]

New message now, last time it was just the typical crash thing

[serene spindle]

How goes the mac port?

[young walrus]

#patience

[serene spindle]

Yeah

You're right

[buoyant wasp]

@keen mesa - I'd just use steam to verify the game cache

[copper nacelle]

@serene spindle I compiled and ran it but it doesn't work

hollow knight just boots normally

[fair rampart]

so

i found a bug

in boss rush

Im able to move after the select screen appeared

[fair rampart]

ok so if u shoot vengful spirit just as u kill them, u gain control

[leaden hedge]

you can do it by dashing too

[fair rampart]

oh

thanks

i'll be sure to try that

[leaden hedge]

not that getting storage does anything for you 🤔

[hollow pier]

does vs do some buggy thing offscreen

is that why it kills greenpath guy in one hit

[leaden hedge]

baldurs are buggy

not vs

[hollow pier]

o

[buoyant wasp]

if you want to see amusing

go equip glowing womb

and walk up to them

[hollow pier]

ss once killed a moss knight in one hit for me

I hit them offscreen

[buoyant wasp]

uhm, double hit of SS would easily kill a moss knight

offscreen or on

[hollow pier]

o

is that random

[buoyant wasp]

double hits?

[hollow pier]

yes

[buoyant wasp]

it's really if they go far enough in the same direction as the fireball long enough that they run out of iframes from it

i mean, you use it on bosses all the time

[hollow pier]

knight might've lunged backwards

[leaden hedge]

moss knights need to backdash to double hit

[hollow pier]

dunno

[buoyant wasp]

there you go, still totally do able

[leaden hedge]

I think fireballs get kinda weird offscreen though

[buoyant wasp]

but since you can kill them with 3 level 1 fireballs and a nail hit, level 2 only needs to hit twice

*with shamman

[leaden hedge]

i'm not sure when they dissipate, and when the hitbox gets disabled / their velocity gets set to 0

[hollow pier]

set camera mod when

[leaden hedge]

you can already do it with debug

[serene spindle]

@copper nacelle

Thanks

[hollow pier]

test vs when

[leaden hedge]

but its like schrodinger's cat

[hollow pier]

can I zoom all the way out and play with a tiny mc

[leaden hedge]

observing it will probably change the result

yes you can zoom all the way out

[hollow pier]

hot

can I have a mod that just blows up the knight

[copper nacelle]

yes

[hollow pier]

gib

but it doesn't alter nail range

[buoyant wasp]

debug mod does that too

"Kill Self"

[hollow pier]

can I have a mod that blows up enemies

giant crawlid when

[buoyant wasp]

there is a scale mod by @buoyant obsidian for the giants

[fair rampart]

why does every dream boss in boss rush have an eye brow EXCEPT white defender????

[hazy sentinel]

doesn't GPZ also have no eyebrows

[hollow pier]

sacrificed it so he could be battled again

it's how the game works

[hazy sentinel]

it's because the sprites for the dream version and the standard boss fights are indistinguishable from each other so KDT added some A N G E R Y eyebrows to the dream bosses so you can tell them apart

[hollow pier]

[fair rampart]

oh crap

you're right

GPZ doesnt have either

ohh

i get it

[fair rampart]

Halp

The screen's completely white during the hollow knight battle

[buoyant wasp]

hehehe

you're done

[fair rampart]

;-;

[buoyant wasp]

not kidding, you just softlocked, so unless you can kill him and radiance blindfolded, you're stuck

[fair rampart]

welp

back to first boss

[buoyant wasp]

someday @leaden hedge will figure out how to fix it

[fair rampart]

why does this happen?

[buoyant wasp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fair rampart]

Okay

[buoyant wasp]

something about the transition for the dream bosses

sometimes leaves you stuck in the white screen

[fair rampart]

oh

hmm

can u fight a non-dream boss before him?

[buoyant wasp]

yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will fix it

cause it isn't just the dream boss->him

it's dream boss->any boss

[fair rampart]

oh

;-;

[leaden hedge]

yep, and I don't even run any code there

until after the transition out of dream boss arena

[buoyant wasp]

we just need to figure out what that white screen is

is it a scene?

is it an overlay?

then you can just check for it's existence

after the teleport

and remove it if it exists

[fair rampart]

lol

also btw is it normal that all the saves have been reset?

i mean, they arent ACTUALLY reset over on the saves file

[leaden hedge]

yes

[fair rampart]

ok so

idunno wut i did with debug

mod

how do i make it show up again?

[buoyant wasp]

F1

[fair rampart]

didnt work

[rain cedar]

And you haven't rebound the 'toggle all' key off f1?

[fair rampart]

not sure

[leaden hedge]

debug mod was broken for me

[fair rampart]

i havent touched the menus at all

but i might've done it accidentally

wel, i did touch them just to give myself fireball and cloak

[leaden hedge]

whenever I closed and reopen it (with f1), it stops responding but showed left pane and console

[fair rampart]

bu thats all

same

[leaden hedge]

but thats on none released api

[rain cedar]

Hm, that's pretty weird

Maybe there's errors in the output

[fair rampart]

it isnt responding

ok

where can i see those?

[rain cedar]

"Partially showing but not responsive" is pretty different from "Not showing" btw

ModLog.txt in your save folder

[fair rampart]

yeah my bad

should've clarified more

[buoyant wasp]

if you have more saves installed

[fair rampart]

should i just take it to paste.bin?

[buoyant wasp]

it breaks debug mod

[rain cedar]

Just drag the file onto discord

[fair rampart]

okay

[buoyant wasp]

because more saves renders it's button canvas on top of debug mod's canvas

[buoyant wasp]

and prevents clickthroughs

[rain cedar]

That wouldn't affect keybinds

[buoyant wasp]

ah, true

[rain cedar]

Alright, I see the problem

But I'm also not sure how to fix it

The GameManager reference is somehow becoming null

internal static GameManager GM => _gm ?? (_gm = GameManager.instance);

That should never be null

Unless I'm misunderstanding the ?? syntax

[buoyant wasp]

no, you have it right

[serene spindle]

@copper nacelle

Can you share what you have so far?

[fair rampart]

How does the code know what GM means?

[leaden hedge]

thats the variable name

[rain cedar]

That code I posted is how it knows

[buoyant wasp]

If it isn't showing the text @serene spindle, then it isn't working at all. You're gonna have to be patient considering that 56 isn't even one of the developers of the API. Especially considering it's around the holidays and folks are generally pretty busy this time of year

[fair rampart]

gamemanger is the class?

[rain cedar]

That's basically equivalent to:

internal static GameManager GM
{
    get
    {
        if (_gm == null) _gm = GameManager.instance;
        return _gm;
    }
}```

[serene spindle]

Yeah

[rain cedar]

And yeah GameManager is a class

[fair rampart]

yea

[serene spindle]

Maybe I should save up and get a pc.

[rain cedar]

You can just run windows on your mac

Don't waste money you don't have to

[serene spindle]

Using bootcamp I know

[buoyant wasp]

or buy some patience

[serene spindle]

It isn't that great

lol

[buoyant wasp]

the API took months to develop by several developers. you can wait a few days

[rain cedar]

I guess if _gm is still null after setting it to GameManager.instance I could try something like

_gm = GameObject.FindObjectOfType<GameManager>();

As a failsafe

[buoyant wasp]

yeah, though it's weird that it wouldn't find it

[rain cedar]

I'll have to look into what GameManager.instance actually is internally

[buoyant wasp]

why do you think it's null?

not seeing a NRE in the modlog

[serene spindle]

@wyza, they don't call me the fullpatient Atheist now do they 🙂

[rain cedar]

https://github.com/seanpr96/DebugMod/blob/master/Source/DebugMod.cs#L203

The error is scene name invalid

[serene spindle]

I tried Using bootcamp for h1z1, and it ran at 15 fps

[rain cedar]

Well that's just because macs have shit hardware

Not because bootcamp is bad

[fair rampart]

also how unoptimized the game itself is

[buoyant wasp]

yes, but that doesn't mean that GM is necessarily null, GM.GetSceneNameString could be returning null or blank

[rain cedar]

I suppose so

[serene spindle]

Yes, I could use bootcamp, but I could also play blindfolded. The point is, at least I have enough patience to not use bootcamp 🙂

[rain cedar]

Not right to assume TC code works

I'll look into that too

[buoyant wasp]

cause honestly a null GameManager instance just doesn't make sense

not saying it isn't happening, just that it's weird, even for this game

[serene spindle]

I'm really sorry for my severe lack of patience. I'll stop bothering everyone about it.

[fair rampart]

@serene spindle what are your current specs?

[serene spindle]

MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Early 2015)

2.7 GHz Intel Core i5

8 GB 1867 MHz DDR3

[fair rampart]

hmm

u should get a pc

[serene spindle]

Intel Iris Graphics 6100 1536 MB

[rain cedar]

Integrated graphics really aren't meant for gaming

[serene spindle]

It sucks

I spent $900 dollars on this aluminum covered turd.

[rain cedar]

Wow that's really cheap for a mac

Isn't it?

[serene spindle]

nah

[rain cedar]

I thought they were like 2k

[serene spindle]

I know someone who works at apple

[rain cedar]

Is this like "My dad works at nintendo" or do you actually know someone and got a discount from it?

[serene spindle]

My dad knew someone

I spent this with my own money though

[rain cedar]

Neato

[serene spindle]

What would be better in terms of performance for its price? A gaming desktop or a gaming computer?

[hazy sentinel]

what would be better is building your own

but desktops are generally more worth it than laptops

[serene spindle]

Could you recommend something that I can build on my own?

[fair rampart]

most pc parts fit the same

[rain cedar]

http://pcpartpicker.com

[fair rampart]

so the building part won't be different on the parts

[buoyant wasp]

though i'd ask a friend who has put one together to help with the CPU. it's not rocket science, but if you screw it up, you generally don't get a do-over 😉

or just be careful

[rain cedar]

Yeah, trying to push that in wrong and bending the pins would be an expensive mistake

[buoyant wasp]

yup

you can't unbend the pins, it's just done

[buoyant wasp]

I'm going to walk away now and pretend i never saw that

[serene spindle]

lol

[rain cedar]

"Intel Core 2 Duo"

What the heck

[fair rampart]

i ahve intel 2 duo

[hazy sentinel]

nice #archived-modding-development

[fair rampart]

xd

[serene spindle]

Are these good specs?

[fair rampart]

not sure

[serene spindle]

@fair rampart

What specs do you have?

[fair rampart]

My pc sucks so dont count on it

[serene spindle]

Or I should say, what would you recommend?

[fair rampart]

I recommend u look up 500$ builds

[hazy sentinel]

$50000 builds imo

[fair rampart]

Ok so what u want is:

A gtx 1050

(Thats the gpu)

[serene spindle]

I know

[fair rampart]

And 8gb ram

[serene spindle]

k

[fair rampart]

Umm

Lets go to general

[hazy sentinel]

intel integrated graphics best gpu

[fair rampart]

Since this is modding

[buoyant obsidian]

With the way trends are looking I wouldn't recommend making a budget build

[serene spindle]

yeah

That's what I had in mind

[buoyant obsidian]

since in the past budget meant playable at low quality

nowadays it means you can't run some games at all

[serene spindle]

Well

[buoyant obsidian]

if you're into games that require twitch reflexes at least

[serene spindle]

Not really

[leaden hedge]

unbending pins isn't even that much of a pain

unless you like completely fuck them

[buoyant wasp]

the pins generally break if you try to bend them back

they are too thin now

it's partially why intel started moving away from the pins being on the cpu

i think

[sick arch]

is there a way to update the modding api

it says theres a new version available

not sure if i need it

[hazy sentinel]

should just be on the GDrive

[sick arch]

so i just download it again?

[hazy sentinel]

yeah

says there was a modification yesterday

[sick arch]

okay cool, thanks

[buoyant wasp]

huzzah, always nice to see something new work right out of the box 😃

(new version notifications)

[sick arch]

is there anywhere that says whats added?

kind of interested

[buoyant wasp]

depends on what version you were on before

the github page has releases that talk about mostly what's in each release. In general, the API doesn't do anything for players. so changes in it only really affect modders in most cases

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/releases

[sick arch]

okay cool

[buoyant wasp]

in the case of -26, it was mostly just some fixes for some bugs found in a few places with newer code. oh and i guess sean added some text handling hooks for the localization mod

[sick arch]

sweet, the modding works great so you guys are obviously doing things right

[buoyant wasp]

hehe. Yeah, it's been nice to let it be stable for a bit. Haven't really touched it much this month because mostly, it's just working as intended, which is always nice.

[sick arch]

during a speedrun, is it fine to leave debug mod in

[buoyant wasp]

not if you are submitting no

you can't run modded at all

even the API is disallowed

[sick arch]

thought so because of cheating, was just making sure

[young walrus]

and it changes game functions

[buoyant wasp]

well, the API, in general, doesn't change gameplay, but it does slightly alter how the mouse works, which can affect runs

so it's just disallowed

[young walrus]

has to be vanilla game in every aspect. unaltered

[buoyant wasp]

@leaden hedge - where did you come up with the logic to determine how to draw the FSMs? did you just math it out and solve it or did you have some external resource that pointed at out to automagically make diagram of connected items that isn't known until runtime?

[leaden hedge]

each state has a position object

that determines x,y,w,h

and transitions which determines the lines to draw

[buoyant wasp]

oh, so the FSM itself describes how to draw it

well, that's handy

was thinking about rewriting it out of the web and into pure .net. the UWP app works pretty well, but it's not as responsive as i'd like when dragging bigger fsm's around

[leaden hedge]

if I was going to rewrite I'd write an ingame editor

so you could add / remove state actions and states to loaded fsm

mainly has the benefit of being able to real time testing

but would also have correct links to other prefabs / objects

[buoyant wasp]

yeah.....that'd be a pain

mostly just want to get it to a point where it's buttery smooth. Not saying that an editor wouldn't be slick in game, but don't really want to deal with the game's UI engine 😉

or solving the prefab issue

since I still never was able to figure out how to get the prefabs themselves

[copper nacelle]

@serene spindle https://send.firefox.com/download/505f7aa72e/#a-jZglCwjh4jJvx3wSTLxg I didn't actually changed anything, just compiled with Mac assembly

also the athlon you were looking at would be better replaced by anything else

[serene spindle]

k

Thanks

[copper nacelle]

and the 480/580 are also very affordable and iirc have significant performance gains over the 380

yw

also getting an SSD is a huge performance difference

No fps gain but everything from loading to launching is so much faster

[serene spindle]

The code won't work on mac, will it?

Thanks

I'll try to figure it out with my gaming mac🙂

[copper nacelle]

it seems to not be fully compatible at the very least

[young walrus]

"gaming mac"

[copper nacelle]

because it still launches, but no API stuff shows up

[young walrus]

nice contradiction

[copper nacelle]

@young walrus H A C K I N T O S H

[buoyant wasp]

@copper nacelle - do you get anything in the ModLog.txt or output.txt when you run with this mac version?

[copper nacelle]

I'll check

[copper nacelle]

@buoyant wasp there is a modlog.txt

unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight\ModLog.txt

has

[INFO]:[API] - Adding GitHub SSL Cert to Allow for Checking of Mod Versions
[INFO]:CN=*.github.com, O="GitHub, Inc.", L=San Francisco, S=California, C=US

[buoyant wasp]

That's it?

[copper nacelle]

yeah

wait

shit

no

hollow knight turned on when the computer turned on so it didn't finish starting

@buoyant wasp after loading into a game

[INFO]:[API] - Adding GitHub SSL Cert to Allow for Checking of Mod Versions
[INFO]:CN=*.github.com, O="GitHub, Inc.", L=San Francisco, S=California, C=US
[INFO]:GameLoading
[INFO]:[API] - Trying to load mods

that's the modlog

checking output

output is next to all the assets, right?

[buoyant wasp]

Usually yeah

Dunno if they moved it on Mac though

[copper nacelle]

can't find any output

[buoyant wasp]

Gotta be somewhere

Even vanilla has output by default

[copper nacelle]

hm

I'll try find via Terminal

no *output*

nor *txt*

[buoyant wasp]

~/Library/Logs/Unity/Player.log

[serene spindle]

debug.log?

[buoyant wasp]

According to google

[copper nacelle]

yeah that's a log

[buoyant wasp]

Apparently they can't be bothered to be consistent in unity

[copper nacelle]

lol

[serene spindle]

Yeah

[copper nacelle]

a lot of FSM not preprocessed

[serene spindle]

Mac uses mono develop

[copper nacelle]

and could not find FSM: alert_range

[buoyant wasp]

Just drop the whole file here

[buoyant wasp]

And I'll look at it when I get to my desk

[copper nacelle]

I think the biggest issue that I can see at a glance

is

Directory 'hollow_knight_data\Managed\Mods' not found

I'll try symlinking the mods dir to that dir

[stiff notch]

can i ask question plz?

[copper nacelle]

yes

[stiff notch]

sooo

i installed boss rush mod

really cool and all

firstly, my other save files are not erased i hope? :/

[copper nacelle]

they are not erased

but backing them up before doing mods stuff is a good idea

the mouse cursor on mac stays the HK cursor even when alt-tabbed :/

[stiff notch]

oh yeah. should've though of that.

secondly

why is this mod so different than the one on the youtubez?

...

[copper nacelle]

KDT made a new boss rush

[buoyant wasp]

Oh... Yeah the directory thing is a problem. But fixable

[stiff notch]

only be able to choose 1 of 3 mediocre options is really frustrating

[copper nacelle]

do you know what it considers the root dir?

because a quick symlink should solve that

[stiff notch]

got to second wave of bosses without spells or dash, now it's just a lost cause 😦

[copper nacelle]

I'll just make 4 symlinks

lol

[serene spindle]

Are you able to customize your level for your nail?

[buoyant wasp]

@stiff notch - The old boss rush was removed because the author issued a DMCA for all his mods

[copper nacelle]

oof

[buoyant wasp]

@serene spindle debug mod can do that

as far as the root folder, no i don't know offhand. I agree a symlink will work

[serene spindle]

cool

[buoyant wasp]

but that's not a good long term solution 😃

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[stiff notch]

@Wyza googling DMCA

[young walrus]

copyright claim

no longer publicly available

[stiff notch]

isn't it the point of mods to make them public?

[buoyant wasp]

one would think so

[young walrus]

dude just up and left

suddenly, for no reason

it was weird

[buoyant wasp]

very

[young walrus]

so we made another one

from scratch

so.... it's naturally different

[stiff notch]

yeah.

yeah well i like the menu and all

[buoyant wasp]

which is why most of what we've done since then is all been specifically under the MIT license

[copper nacelle]

why MIT over GPLv2?

[stiff notch]

but not being able to choose upgrades to a certain extent is really punishing for newbs 😦

[young walrus]

you get 3 choices

and you can pick up two if you don't take dmg during the fight

[buoyant wasp]

3 choices actually

[young walrus]

yeah, that's what i said

[buoyant wasp]

uh huh 😛

[stiff notch]

not taking damage and you get all 3?

[copper nacelle]

no

2/3

[buoyant wasp]

no damage = 2

[stiff notch]

...

[buoyant wasp]

damage taken = 1

but you still get 3 choices per fight

[young walrus]

death = 0

[buoyant wasp]

so

[stiff notch]

isn't that also punishing for newbs? :p

win more mechanic

[young walrus]

no

[buoyant wasp]

it's already way too easy

[young walrus]

you become super OP

^^

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[young walrus]

what wyza said

[stiff notch]

well

[copper nacelle]

I suck at the game and I got elegy + nail upgrades and fucking shredded the bosses

[stiff notch]

i didn't try not to take damage :p

and the game is hilariously hard now :p

[buoyant wasp]

just keep practicing, you'll get to the point where you can no-damage 4-5 of the first 9 bosses without trying

by the time you get to the 2nd tile you'll be broken OP in most cases

[stiff notch]

well, if i tried, sure.

didn't know it worked that way

[copper nacelle]

wtf

it doesn't create new logs on startup on mac

it just appends

at least for Player.log

[buoyant wasp]

lol, epic

[stiff notch]

well, balancing idea: only give players 1 upgrade each boss, but time threshold or no damage gives more (than 3) choices?

[copper nacelle]

but it's already easy if you get lucky at all

if you don't get lucky then it can be hard, but most of the time it's easy

[young walrus]

flukenest

instant win

[buoyant wasp]

eh, more choices means i'm just going to get better much earlier

[stiff notch]

welllllll

i got flukenest

but never got vengeful soul 😄

[copper nacelle]

lol

[young walrus]

heh

[buoyant wasp]

keeping in mind that we already have to recycle the choices

[hollow pier]

is this bonfire

[buoyant wasp]

because there aren't enough upgrades/items to fill 3 slots for all the bosses

[copper nacelle]

DirectoryNotFoundException: Directory 'hollow_knight_Data\Managed\Mods' not found. :/

[hollow pier]

[copper nacelle]

after like 5 symlinks

does it care about caps because I forgot to make the D caps

[stiff notch]

i was really disappointed in lvl1 grimmchild tho lol 😄

[buoyant wasp]

unix does, so unity probably does

[stiff notch]

woah woah

so you can only get each upgrade once?

[copper nacelle]

linux does, but iirc HFS+ doesn't give two shits

[leaden hedge]

I could give you no items

[stiff notch]

i mean

[leaden hedge]

and boss rush would be easy

this game is just easy

[copper nacelle]

alright, I'll try again with caps

[stiff notch]

if i miss out on cloak once, i'll never get it later? :p

[buoyant wasp]

the first 22 bosses will always only drop 1 of each unique upgrade

you'll have what, 4 chances at repeats at the end

because there are 66 upgrades

[stiff notch]

mhm

that clears up a LOT

[buoyant wasp]

if you didn't do it that way, then you could end up where wings or claw never spawn

which you need at least wings or claw to beat the game

(so never pass those up)

[stiff notch]

well, if you keep in mind my first suggestion, you could limit out some "useless" charms and occasionally recycle unpicked options... and give priority to essential upgrades, like vengeful soul and cloak

[young walrus]

but... they're not essential

[stiff notch]

my first suggestion giving 5 choices instead of 2 picks

[copper nacelle]

DirectoryNotFoundException: Directory 'hollow_knight_Data\Managed\Mods' not found.

after more symlinks

[buoyant wasp]

there are literally only 2 essential upgrades

either wings, or claw

and only because you need them to do the platforms for radiance

[copper nacelle]

the .exe is next to the hollow_knight_data folder on Windows, right?

[stiff notch]

so you can effectively dodge all dream bosses without dash?

[copper nacelle]

yes

[buoyant wasp]

you can also use dive

to get iframes

[young walrus]

yes

[stiff notch]

some people are not godlike babyrage

[daring snow]

lol you don't even have to be godlike

[young walrus]

fight Nightmare grimm with no upgrades and nail0

it's fun

[buoyant wasp]

i'll have to look when i get home after i cook dinner and see if i can't figure out how to get the right path correctly

[young walrus]

hehehe

[stiff notch]

sounds very fun :p

[copper nacelle]

wait but is the .exe next to the data folder

[leaden hedge]

fight nkg with no upgrades and 1 damage

and then make it ngg

[copper nacelle]

I'll try another symlink next to "hollow_knight" the executable

[stiff notch]

but still, aren't my suggestions worth considering?

[copper nacelle]

instead of the .app

[buoyant wasp]

my guess is that it's a combination between the fact that unix expects "/" paths

[young walrus]

nothing is worth considering

everything in life is garbage

it's all just random

[stiff notch]

it would flatten out the OP'ness of taking no damage

a tad

[buoyant wasp]

it's not that they aren't worth it, it's just that we don't want to make it easier

more choices = easier

even if you can pickup less items

[copper nacelle]

added two more symlinks just in case the issue wasn't the "/" paths

[stiff notch]

hm

ok i'm sure you guys tested that.

[daring snow]

just do a few randos and you'll have some game knowledge and become godlike

[copper nacelle]

randomizer is fun

[leaden hedge]

no need to test anything

[daring snow]

they are really good practice for testing your skills and getting better at the game

[leaden hedge]

the fight you get a lv2 spell

[copper nacelle]

I now am fifty times better at pogoing after crystal peak without claw

[hazy sentinel]

just do 30 106% playthroughs and you'll have some game knowledge

[leaden hedge]

the game becomes insanely easy

[copper nacelle]

isn't abyss shriek useless for the grounded bosses?

[young walrus]

no

[leaden hedge]

not really, if its all I got

I could still destroy bosses with it

[young walrus]

shriek shreds bosses

[buoyant wasp]

you just dash into it's face and take it like a man

[copper nacelle]

lol

[stiff notch]

haha

ok, trying again.

not taking on collector with lvl2 nail no spells -_-

[buoyant wasp]

haha, that's not hard, just mind numbingly tedious

[hazy sentinel]

"sword"

reeee

[copper nacelle]

[stiff notch]

what now?

[copper nacelle]

it's a nail

[buoyant wasp]

nail 0 collector, now that's evil

[stiff notch]

what i say then?

[hazy sentinel]

ah yes the fabled edit

let me just

[leaden hedge]

nail 0 collector on patch with no adds

[hazy sentinel]

spam post 600 of my screenshots here

[copper nacelle]

edit

[hazy sentinel]

that'll be nice

[stiff notch]

lol

[leaden hedge]

thatwas the worse

[buoyant wasp]

eww yeah

[stiff notch]

i was editing, you guys just beat me to it

[buoyant wasp]

no soul for spells

cancer in the finest form