#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 38

rotund karma Nov 20, 2017, 5:09 AM

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be shoosh

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 5:09 AM

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lol, I didn't even start playing until like 1.1.8, so i have no idea what i missed

rain cedar Nov 20, 2017, 5:10 AM

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The joke is that 1.1.4.9 was never a version

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 5:10 AM

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lol

rain cedar Nov 20, 2017, 5:10 AM

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It went straight from 1.1.1.8 -> 1.2.1.0

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 5:11 AM

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1.1.4.9 must have been the version where they had optimized the game perfectly, and removed all the bugs that nsoob uses, but then someone found out and deleted it to save the speedrunners

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though it is amusing that some of the lag reduction things they've done have made those tricks a little harder

late sphinx Nov 20, 2017, 11:16 AM

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this is a good seed

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fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 11:20 AM

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Dam

late sphinx Nov 20, 2017, 11:21 AM

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i decided to go in hard

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and i get glowing womb

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h m m m m m

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glowing womb is destroying everything

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are you shitting me

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fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 11:48 AM

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NOICEE

knotty tapir Nov 20, 2017, 11:52 AM

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Glowing Womb deals 7 damage so like, they're better than old nail

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or 9

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i don't actually know, but it's a lot

fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 11:58 AM

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ye

late sphinx Nov 20, 2017, 12:49 PM

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ffs hardmode is not possible i tell you

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 12:51 PM

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Hard mode was designed for speedrunners

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If you don't know a lot of the skips, you're going to have a bad time

late sphinx Nov 20, 2017, 12:53 PM

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well shit

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 12:53 PM

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Could we put a disclaimer on the UI that says that?

late sphinx Nov 20, 2017, 12:53 PM

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you probably should

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 12:53 PM

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Just so people who don't run the game don't get stuck

late sphinx Nov 20, 2017, 12:54 PM

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to avoid broken controllers

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or keyboards

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 12:54 PM

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I mean.... It says "hard"

manic wing Nov 20, 2017, 12:54 PM

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is that a randomiser of some kind?

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 12:54 PM

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noot

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You'd expect the hard mode to be hard

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Yes it is

late sphinx Nov 20, 2017, 12:54 PM

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i didn't think it would be that hard

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 12:55 PM

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Surprise

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throws hands up in an unenthusiastic manner

late sphinx Nov 20, 2017, 12:56 PM

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you need to make the ui say the thing for stupid people like me

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 12:56 PM

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Warning: hard mode is actually hard

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hollowface

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Lol

late sphinx Nov 20, 2017, 12:57 PM

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i didn't think i'd need to know every shortcut

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 12:57 PM

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So yeah. I'd stick to easy. Unless you want to learn the skips

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The skips are what make it fun though, imo

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How wacky the routing can get

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I think my favorite is going through Crystal peaks with only wings and dash

manic wing Nov 20, 2017, 1:03 PM

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wut

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how even

late sphinx Nov 20, 2017, 1:04 PM

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shouldn't have skimmed through the readme

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solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 1:14 PM

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maybe we can help you?

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where you stuck? What you have?

knotty tapir Nov 20, 2017, 1:16 PM

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based on 999999999 i think you need pfloat too

rain cedar Nov 20, 2017, 1:16 PM

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You'll never need glitches

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 1:17 PM

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^

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 1:27 PM

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^

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 3:38 PM

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this is why I mod

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fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 3:40 PM

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lol

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 3:44 PM

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Ascend? Why, he already has ascended!

fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 3:44 PM

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lol

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 3:48 PM

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well, shucks

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seems like I can't make a list of all spells objects and just call that list whenever I want to change their damage

fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 3:48 PM

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When u have crippling depression

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you cant actually ascend u just fall over and over again

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 3:48 PM

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guess I'll just do the costly "set damage on hit" implementation

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 3:49 PM

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"Disclaimer: Hard means hard."

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 3:50 PM

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public class Spells
{
    public List<GameObject> SpellList { get; set; }
    public List<PlayMakerFSM> FSMList { get; set; }
    public List<int> StateList { get; set; }
}

public Spells SpellData;


public void FillSpellList()
{
    Spells spell = new Spells();
    if (SpellData == null)
    {
        GameObject[] array = UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectsOfType<GameObject>();
        for (int i = 0; i < array.Length; i++)
        {
            foreach (PlayMakerFSM playMakerFSM in array[i].GetComponents<PlayMakerFSM>())
            {
                if (playMakerFSM != null)
                {
                    for (int j = 0; j < playMakerFSM.FsmStates.Length; j++)
                    {
                        if (playMakerFSM.FsmStates[j].Name == "Set Damage")
                        {
                            LogDebug("Spell found: " + array[i].name);
                            spell.SpellList.Add(array[i]);
                            spell.FSMList.Add(playMakerFSM);
                            spell.StateList.Add(j);
                        }
                    }
                }
            }
        }
    }
    SpellData = spell;
    Log("Spell List filled:" + SpellData);
}```

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anyone got any idea why this doesn't work?

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I've hooked FillSpellList() to HeroUpdateHook and to onSceneLoad

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 3:52 PM

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hmm

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 3:52 PM

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  at BonfireMod.BonfireMod.FillSpellList () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at (wrapper delegate-invoke) GameManager/UnloadLevel:invoke_void__this__ ()
  at Modding.ModHooks.OnHeroUpdate () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at HeroController.Update () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 ```

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 3:53 PM

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well, one thing to warn you of, HeroController.Update happens alot

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like I used to log at the finest level when the hook was called

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but in 1 minute it logged 30,000 lines

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 3:53 PM

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maybe if the object isn't instantiated I can't look through its FSM?

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that shouldn't be the case, because that's basically how I set the SharpShadow object in Blackmoth

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and it works fine there

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 3:55 PM

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no, your NRE is probably because you haven't instantiated the objects in your Spells class

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so

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you did this

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Spells spell = new Spells();

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but that only makes a new Spells object

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SpellsList, FSMList and StateList are all still null

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add this to your Spells class

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public Spells() {
    SpellList = new List<GameObject>();
    FSMList = new List<PlayMekerFSM>();
    StateList = new List<int>();
}

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 3:57 PM

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it's called every frame

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 3:57 PM

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yeah

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I tried onSceneLoad at first

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sorry, my connection is shitty today

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 3:58 PM

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using QUIK MATHS wyza runs the game at 500fps hollowface

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 3:58 PM

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on the menu it's between 800 and 1000

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 3:58 PM

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herocontroller shouldnt exist in the menu

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 3:58 PM

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in game it's 200-350 😉

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so maybe it was 2 minutes

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but still, it's called alot

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 3:59 PM

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well its update

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 3:59 PM

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and fetching those FSMs on every frame is gonna murder the performance

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 4:00 PM

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not if the list is already filled

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 4:00 PM

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it won't work anyway

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the whole reason my code doesn't work is because of the game being coded like shit

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 4:00 PM

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yeah, I guess

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I remember when we were trying to figure out how to set spells damage and you magically managed to make it work

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it... Worked

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:x

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 4:03 PM

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does it work when you cast multiple spells

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 4:04 PM

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no, so far I'm only creating the list

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now I'm gonna use that list to change spells

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 4:05 PM

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also, you should move Spells spell = new Spells(); and SpellData = spell; Log("Spell List filled:" + SpellData); inside of your if (SpellData==null)

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 4:06 PM

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yup

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already did that

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it printed out like a zillion times

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 4:06 PM

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@buoyant wasp theres ObjectPool.Spawn(GameObject prefab, Transform parent, Vector3 position, Quaternion rotation) is what does pooling

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you could trying putting a hook there that passes the gameObject to somewhere else

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because thats what spawns the extra instances of stuff

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 4:07 PM

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oh to help with gradow's issue of the first 4 working but nothing after that?

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or whatever that was

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 4:08 PM

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ye

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 4:09 PM

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yeah I could probably add something there. Can take a look when i get home this evening

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 4:17 PM

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well, guess I just wasted a lot of time

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because it doesn't even work

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sadgrub

cunning basalt Nov 20, 2017, 4:32 PM

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hey guys

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question

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what does the glass soul mod do

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cant find any info in the drive

fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 4:33 PM

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1 health

cunning basalt Nov 20, 2017, 4:33 PM

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oh

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so always one hit death ??

fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 4:33 PM

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Yes

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it replaces both modes btw

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u have glass soul mode and steel glass soul mode

small nest Nov 20, 2017, 4:38 PM

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Basically flower challenge deluxe

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 4:39 PM

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fireborn did a steel glass soul run sometime in the last couple of weeks

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 5:23 PM

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and it also makes your damage scale with total masks

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so charms that give masks are not useless

buoyant obsidian Nov 20, 2017, 5:30 PM

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If you open up the .zip file, there's a readme.txt that explains all the features in it.

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 5:39 PM

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@leaden hedge / @solemn rivet - so is there something i can do in the API to help you with the spell damage modifier problem or is that we don't even know why it's not working yet?

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 5:39 PM

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so, a quick rundown of what we know

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what defines spells' damage is an FSM state "Set Damage"

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so we tried changing that

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and it worked... Until it didn't

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it worked for the first few casts of each spell, and then stopped working

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we figured it was because it was running out of prefabs and when it instantiated a new one, it got default damage

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 5:42 PM

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right, which is why kdt suggested a hook on the object initializer so you could update it when new prefabs got created. I can do that. so is it working for your first few casts at this point, or not even for those now?

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 5:44 PM

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not even those

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here's how I'm trying to make it work

📎 BonfireMod.cs

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and this is what KDT came up with that worked for quake and scream:

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public void spellDamage(GameObject go)
{
    foreach (PlayMakerFSM playMakerFSM in go.GetComponents<PlayMakerFSM>())
    {
        if (playMakerFSM != null)
        {
            for (int j = 0; j < playMakerFSM.FsmStates.Length; j++)
            {
                if (playMakerFSM.FsmStates[j].Name == "Set Damage")
                {
                    Debug.Log("[SDT] " + go.name);
                    FieldInfo[] fields = typeof(ActionData).GetFields(BindingFlags.Instance | BindingFlags.Public | BindingFlags.NonPublic);
                    for (int k = 0; k < fields.Length; k++)
                    {
                        if (fields[k].Name == "byteData")
                        {
                            List<byte> list = (List<byte>)fields[k].GetValue(playMakerFSM.FsmStates[j].ActionData);
                            list[0] = (byte)damageWithoutShaman;
                            list[14] = (byte)damageWithShaman;
                            fields[k].SetValue(playMakerFSM.FsmStates[j].ActionData, list);
                            playMakerFSM.FsmStates[j].LoadActions();
                            playMakerFSM.SetState("Set Damage");
                        }
                    }
                }
            }
        }
    }
}```

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this runs under PlayMakerUnity2d.Start() and the GameObject is PlayMakerUnity2d.base.gameObject

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this works on the non-api version, btw

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 5:49 PM

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so this works for quake/scream on non-api, but not for fireball on non-api? or did it work for all 3 on non-api?

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 5:50 PM

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quake/scream

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 5:50 PM

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k

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 5:50 PM

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fireball is more complicated because of its interactions with fluke and stuff

fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 5:51 PM

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y is it called fireball in the code tho>?

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 5:51 PM

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i'll see what i can do about it this evening. it could be just a timing issue where we're trying to set it too early in the API

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for the same reason dive is called quake

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and wraiths is called scream

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 5:51 PM

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its not to do with that

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its to do with fireballs being pooled

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because you can have like 8 on screen at a time

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 5:52 PM

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because they changed the name at some point and the effort to go change the name in code was worth going back and changing it from fireball to vengeful spirit 😉

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yeah, but @leaden hedge - shouldn't that mean that at least some of them should be affected?

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 5:52 PM

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they are

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until it starts using the pooled ones

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 5:53 PM

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it sounds like right now 0 of them are

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 5:53 PM

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it spawns the object, then goes oh im out of objects

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and respawns it

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 5:53 PM

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on API, nothing works

fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 5:53 PM

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Guys is it possible to revive myself in a steel soul run?

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 5:53 PM

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^

fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 5:53 PM

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like, edit the file?

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 5:53 PM

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or, rather

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it works

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but if I try to change the hook, it doesn't

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or if I try to cache the spells object in order to optimize the code, it doesn't work

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 5:54 PM

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@fair rampart - you can probably use the save file editor to do it, but that completely defeats the point of steel soul. like, if you wanted to revive, you shouldn't have started a steel soul save

fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 5:54 PM

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yea

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i wont actually do that

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I never made it that far into a steel soul run to actually need get annoyed for dying

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 6:27 PM

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https://puu.sh/yq5g4/cc41d8e56a.gif here it is, working with 0 damage

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 6:38 PM

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(completely unrelated, what do you use to make your gifs?)

buoyant obsidian Nov 20, 2017, 6:39 PM

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I can't speak for him but ShareX is bae

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 6:40 PM

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you can just record in obs

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then upload it to gfycat

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 6:42 PM

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that's what i do now kdt, but was wondering if there was something that cut out that intermediate step

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just "record this area as a gif, done"

buoyant obsidian Nov 20, 2017, 6:43 PM

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ShareX can do it but it bugs out in certain fullscreen games

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 7:04 PM

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ShareX

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Be prepared for big filesizes when recording at high fps tho

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That gif was 85MB

buoyant obsidian Nov 20, 2017, 7:05 PM

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it was super super smooth though

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 7:06 PM

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Yeah

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Best thing of sharex is hotkeys

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 7:10 PM

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you want super smooth 🤔

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let me record at 600fps at 1/10th speed

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then give 100 frames to each frame 🤔

fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 7:13 PM

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lol

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how big of a size will such a file be?

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what resolution even?

jade lotus Nov 20, 2017, 7:18 PM

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what's a mod that allows to equip all the charms?

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 7:24 PM

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there isn't one (listed)

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although the save editor lets you change charm costs

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 7:24 PM

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Ezpz

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Just grab the save editor and set the notch cost of all charms to 0

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 7:25 PM

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You could downpatch and use the notch duping glitch too

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 7:25 PM

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Or...

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_gitgud

fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 7:25 PM

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📎 gitwoke.jpg

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 7:25 PM

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That too

jade lotus Nov 20, 2017, 7:27 PM

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I just want to mess around with the game.
can you give a noob explanaition for using save mod?

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 7:27 PM

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Put it in your saves folder

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Run it

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Edit saves

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 7:27 PM

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put it anywhere

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click on the select save folder button 🤔

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 7:28 PM

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Yeah, but easier to put it there

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Specially since he asked for a noob explanation

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 7:28 PM

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but you didn't even say where it is

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 7:29 PM

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Touche

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/appdata/locallow/team cherry /hollow Knight /

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There

jade lotus Nov 20, 2017, 7:29 PM

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a link to downlad it?

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 7:29 PM

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It's in the pins

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 7:29 PM

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https://github.com/KayDeeTee/Hollow-Knight-SaveManager/releases/latest

GitHub

KayDeeTee/Hollow-Knight-SaveManager

Hollow-Knight-SaveManager - Manage and edit Hollow Knight saves

jade lotus Nov 20, 2017, 7:31 PM

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thanks grubfather

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 7:33 PM

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You can also give yourself every charm, if you so desire

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 7:33 PM

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except the 4 new ones

solemn rivet Nov 20, 2017, 7:33 PM

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Yeah

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That answers my next question about whether or not it had been updated to TGT

fair rampart Nov 20, 2017, 7:43 PM

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_gitgud

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📎 gitgud.png

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 7:44 PM

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just do bossrush, do perfect kills on every boss, and you'll end up at radiance with all the charms or nearly so.

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😉

timber gale Nov 20, 2017, 10:14 PM

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Except for perfect kills on gruz mother, that's impossible

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 10:15 PM

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lol

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 10:54 PM

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yo guys

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I think I might be softlocked (or I suck) with randomizer

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I picked up mantis claw at the place of fury

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then got whats supposed to be: Vengeful spirit, soul catcher, and I unlocked salubra, sly and the map shop.

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I don't have any spells nor additional movement abilities

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oh wait I can go to howling cliffs I think

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 10:57 PM

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joni's blessing dark room hype!!

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did you go through the dark room in crystal peaks to get to dream nail/shield yet?

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could also do a shade pogo at salubra to get over there

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:00 PM

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you have claw

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:00 PM

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without dash?

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you can salubra shade skip without dash?

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:00 PM

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you can get to like half the game with claw 😛

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you can get to dream nail and dream shield with no items at all

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:00 PM

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well I know that

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:01 PM

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yes you can para

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:01 PM

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oh

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I guess I need to get better at it then

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cause I tried

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:01 PM

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it's much easier with dash

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:01 PM

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joni's with claw, baulder with claw

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:01 PM

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but definitely possible with claw only

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have to pogo twice

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:01 PM

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leg eater too

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:01 PM

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instead of once

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:01 PM

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oh

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:01 PM

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the whole game is open with claw

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:01 PM

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well this will be great

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:02 PM

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have you done hornet?

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:02 PM

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dont have fireball

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to get to greenpath

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:03 PM

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what do you have?

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:03 PM

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mantis claw

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literally it

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:03 PM

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you picked up 6 items

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and you got 1?

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:03 PM

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everything is like charms I don't need

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:03 PM

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what charms

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:03 PM

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well I can't remember

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:03 PM

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there are like 10 charms that let you into greenpath

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:03 PM

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I saw gathering swarm

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defenders crest

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and stuff

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I double checked everything and none of it helps me

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:04 PM

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sporeshroom, defenders crest, mark of pride, glowing womb?

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glubberflies elegy

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:04 PM

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you can get into greenpath through howling cliffs

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:04 PM

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defenders crest

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:04 PM

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with claw

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:04 PM

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that too

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:05 PM

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oh yea you can mick

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thanks

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:05 PM

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and re: dark room in CP to dream nail, you should take the time to learn it

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:05 PM

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the whole game is pretty damn open now

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^^

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you probably should

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comes up a lot

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:05 PM

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it's required in at least half the seeds

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:05 PM

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salubra sells dream nail

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for 800

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:05 PM

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no, the dream nail location

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:05 PM

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^

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:05 PM

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as in where you'd get it in vanilla

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:06 PM

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ahh

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:06 PM

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you go through crystal peaks where you'd go to descending dark, drop down into the resting grounds

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pickup whatever dreamnail is, and dream shield

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:06 PM

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i'd do the shade pogo though

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opens up the path to CoT

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otherwise you'd need dive

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:06 PM

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yeah with claw you can do that

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or wings ?

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:07 PM

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yeah

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wings makes it trivial

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SUPER trivial

upper tendon Nov 20, 2017, 11:07 PM

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is there a place where i can see the progress on the boss rush mod?

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:07 PM

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claw only shade pogo is probably the hardest

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:07 PM

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@upper tendon - not really

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:07 PM

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I think I can do it

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if I try long enough

upper tendon Nov 20, 2017, 11:07 PM

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aw

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:07 PM

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but it's easy

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9+9+8

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:08 PM

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is that in the logic though?

upper tendon Nov 20, 2017, 11:08 PM

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thanks

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:08 PM

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yes

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claw only shade pogo is in the logic

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VS only shade pogo is not

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:08 PM

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(hard logic, dunno if that one is in easy logic)

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:09 PM

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I should add I'm playing on Hard

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:10 PM

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@upper tendon - at least, assuming you're on the most recent version of boss rush, the one where you get 9 tiles to select from.

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:10 PM

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but Mick already knows since he was in stayplus chat when I said I'm doing it

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:11 PM

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all that said, now that you have claw, it's fairly unlikely any super hard skips are going to be in this seed. you're likely going to find at least one more movement ability without any skips with how much is open to you

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cause with greenpath, you have wraiths/spore shroom/leg eater/claw/mark of pride/dashmaster/hornet/baulders

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:12 PM

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yeah. might just have to walk everywhere though

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or search for ages

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:12 PM

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im about to fight hornet let's see what that gives me

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last time I had a pretty mean easy seed

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so I had to go out of my way into many places anyway

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it was fun

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:13 PM

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had a seed a couple nights ago that had 0 movement abilities for an hour. course then after getting the first one got the rest in like 20 minutes, but still

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had to get all the way to fluke with nothing but dive

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:14 PM

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ok killed hornet

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holding my breath and picking up item

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:14 PM

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that's the worst, wyza

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:14 PM

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mmmhmm

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:14 PM

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howling wraiths lol

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:14 PM

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congrats, you can now do some stalling skips

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:14 PM

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yep

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you think that can help with salubra skip?

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I think it works similar to fireball?

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:15 PM

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works the same

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actually.... a little worse

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:15 PM

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yeah I guessed

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:15 PM

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cuz you don't get the backwards movement

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:15 PM

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yeah

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:15 PM

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but you can do all the skips you can w/ fireball

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:15 PM

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personally, i'd go down to wraiths->bench at queens station, spore shroom, s&q, then up to leg eater

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:15 PM

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just... a little harder

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can't do spore shroom

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with only claw

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:16 PM

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oh, right no dash

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well, wraiths then leg eater and probably claw and dashmaster, since those are all easy and fast

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and in a nice loop

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:16 PM

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yeah

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add MoP in there too

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:16 PM

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yup

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:16 PM

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can pretty much full clear Fungal

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:17 PM

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yeah I'm off to fungal wastes now

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:17 PM

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fungal is pretty much the "best" place in the game in terms of item density per effort spent. (outside of shops)

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:18 PM

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yeah

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CP is damn good too

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but there's a lot of stipulations

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:18 PM

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doing CP without mantis claw was so fun

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I did have double jump though so it made it easier

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:18 PM

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you get up to sly key? 😉

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:19 PM

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ugh

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:19 PM

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I did get it yea

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:19 PM

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the last race we did, fucking triple dipped into CP

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:19 PM

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yeah

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:19 PM

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did that stupid spike gauntlet like 4 times

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won by half an hour though

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so whatever. lol

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:20 PM

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the seed required 1 revisit for sure if memory serves

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:20 PM

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i don't remember

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i think you only needed to get up to key

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and that was it

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there was something useful at CH

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maybe it was isma's?

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:20 PM

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you needed key, to get CH to get to whatever was at CH

young walrus Nov 20, 2017, 11:21 PM

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yeah. i really don't remember. lol

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huh.... most recent race wasn't recorded on SRL

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weird

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:30 PM

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@solemn rivet - Do you have a test case i can use for the spell damage thing? Like a save with X stats and it should take Y hits to kill something with the spell?

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that way i can try and figure out what's up with it working in non-api vs api

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@leaden hedge - did you have a chance to test the updated SaveStats class to see if it meets your needs?

leaden hedge Nov 20, 2017, 11:33 PM

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nah ill test it tomorrow hollowface

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:33 PM

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k,np

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:37 PM

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coming from queen's station

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I don't think I have anything to do with fungal wastes

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:38 PM

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huh?

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:38 PM

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if I only have mantis claw

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everything is blocked off by a gate

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so I guess trying to get dream nail will be my best bet

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:39 PM

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have you done 100% of fungal?

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:39 PM

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I can't

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cause I can only come in from queens station

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and every pickup is blocked off by a gate

buoyant wasp Nov 20, 2017, 11:40 PM

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no, they aren't. there is a path below the gate that lets you go around. mantis literally gives you 100% access without any skips.

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can't get a map out atm, dinner, but there's a way

trim nimbus Nov 20, 2017, 11:41 PM

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but don't you need dash for it?

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looked like a very long jump for me

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📎 20171120235629_1.jpg

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@buoyant wasp

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do you mean this?

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I don't see a way to do this with just mantis

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nevermind

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I'm dumb

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I found it

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thanks wyza

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 12:02 AM

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lol, np

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 12:02 AM

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i got grub song

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 12:02 AM

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randomizer really teaches you about the game in ways you didn't realize

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 12:03 AM

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which should let me get baldur shell?

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oh yes Wyza, which is why I'm doing it on hard

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 12:03 AM

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grubsong? or gluberfly

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grubsong is the damage->soul+

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 12:03 AM

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grubsong

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wouldn't that let me heal in front of a baldur

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then move away

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and let the dot damage it

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 12:03 AM

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sporeshroom does that

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 12:03 AM

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AHHHHHH

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 12:03 AM

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grubsong just gives you more soul for getting hit

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 12:03 AM

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🤦

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I'm dumb

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lmao

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 12:04 AM

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what was at leg-eater?

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 12:04 AM

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nothing good

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grubsong was one

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fragile heart

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and I forgot last one

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 12:05 AM

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claw/dashmaster/mop locations yet?

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 12:05 AM

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joni's blessing

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I didn't check any of these yet

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they're my next

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 12:06 AM

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nice, yeah, i'd do dashmaster->claw then if necessary you can go down and do mop

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 12:06 AM

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I will do mop anyway

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mantis lords are some of my fav bosses in the game

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 12:06 AM

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haha

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 12:06 AM

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not fighting them would be a waste

hazy sentinel Nov 21, 2017, 12:07 AM

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a fungal waste

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hollowdab

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 12:07 AM

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hollowdab

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hollowdab

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hollowdab

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hollowdab

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MC had baldur shell lmao

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dashmaster had sprint master

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epic meme

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 12:19 AM

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Sprint master actually useful

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Since you don't have dash

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Or CH

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Or anything

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 12:20 AM

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I equipped it

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it makes exploring less painful

timber gale Nov 21, 2017, 12:22 AM

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Cute animation meta

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 12:24 AM

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WOW WHAT A TROLL

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MOP was sharp shadow

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:)

solemn rivet Nov 21, 2017, 12:58 AM

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Wyza: when I want to test, I just set it to 0 and see how long it works

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@buoyant wasp

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 1:07 AM

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ah

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make sense

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k

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is the latest broken version on git?

solemn rivet Nov 21, 2017, 1:15 AM

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no

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just a sec, I'll push it

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pushed

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I had to revert the changes

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 1:24 AM

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np, thanks.

solemn rivet Nov 21, 2017, 1:33 AM

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so, the thing is

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if I do it the old way, it works

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but it's not optimal

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it's running everytime something collides

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 5:03 AM

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do we know how to get access to the GameObject prefabs ?

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(specifically for spells)

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 5:29 AM

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they are probably all pooled

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so they are probably in ObjectPool

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under pooledObjects / spawnedObjects

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 5:31 AM

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could be startupPools i suppose

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 5:32 AM

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doesn't really matter

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public static GameObject Spawn(GameObject prefab, Transform parent, Vector3 position, Quaternion rotation)

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 5:32 AM

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it's not that i can't put a hook into the spawn function, but doing so means i either have to copy the function out and modify it, or modify the IL (if i want to keep the current API as buildable in 1 button).

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 5:32 AM

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it returns the thing

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 5:32 AM

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but you can't know if the thing it returns is new or not...i guess it doesn't matter a ton

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 5:33 AM

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you want it to return anyway

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so you have a reference to the new object

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 5:33 AM

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yeah. i guess even if it's a recycle, doesn't matter, just assume the object you get back has to be modified and be done with it

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 5:35 AM

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I like that it recycles it by putting it at -20, -20 🤔

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 5:35 AM

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"recycle"

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 5:39 AM

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but I think startup pools are just what it makes when it start ups

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so it'll make 3 fireballs whenever object pool is created

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and I dunno if you'd be able to intercept that

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 5:42 AM

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eh, worst case is we just do the scene load check

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to change the startups

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:01 AM

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well...that's something

buoyant obsidian Nov 21, 2017, 6:02 AM

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They might also be in the player's personal pool, which I'm pretty sure includes stuff like Glowing Womblings (I'm possibly 100% wrong here)

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:14 AM

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http://gph.is/2zZohh9

Giphy

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so, i have this now

#


        private static readonly FieldInfo[] ActionDataFields = typeof(ActionData).GetFields(BindingFlags.Instance | BindingFlags.Public | BindingFlags.NonPublic);
        private static readonly FieldInfo ActionSpellData = ActionDataFields.Single(x => x.Name == "byteData");
            ModHooks.Instance.ObjectPoolSpawnHook += SpellDamage;

public GameObject SpellDamage(GameObject go)
       {
            if (go.name != "Fireball(Clone)") return go;

           Log(go.name);
            
            foreach (PlayMakerFSM playMakerFSM in go.GetComponents<PlayMakerFSM>())
            {
                if (playMakerFSM == null) continue;

                foreach (FsmState state in playMakerFSM.FsmStates)
                {
                    if (state.Name != "Set Damage") continue;

                    LogDebug("Spell found: " + go.name);
                    List<byte> list = (List<byte>)ActionSpellData.GetValue(state.ActionData);
                    list[0] = 0;
                    list[14] = 0;
                    ActionSpellData.SetValue(state.ActionData, list);
                    state.LoadActions();
                    playMakerFSM.SetState("Set Damage");
                }
            }
           return go;
       }

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and i'm getting logs for the "Spell found:" so i know it's hitting it

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my hook is

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        public GameObject OnObjectPoolSpawn(GameObject go)
        {
            //Logger.LogFine("[API] - OnObjectPool Invoked"); // Too Spammy
            if (_ObjectPoolSpawnHook == null) return go;

            Delegate[] invocationList = _ObjectPoolSpawnHook.GetInvocationList();
            foreach (Delegate toInvoke in invocationList)
            {
                go = (GameObject)toInvoke.DynamicInvoke(go);
            }
            return go;
        }

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and that's called via

        public static GameObject Spawn(GameObject prefab, Transform parent, Vector3 position, Quaternion rotation)
        {
            GameObject obj = orig_Spawn(prefab, parent, position, rotation);
            return ModHooks.Instance.OnObjectPoolSpawn(obj);
        }

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 7:19 AM

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@knotty grove - re - that skip for rando, that'd suck, but i'm not the decision maker there, sean is

knotty grove Nov 21, 2017, 7:22 AM

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It's not actually that bad, and there's respawning crawlids in that room to farm soul

rotund karma Nov 21, 2017, 8:44 AM

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i am unprepared

📎 unknown.png

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@leaden hedge why is grimmchild charm drop level one

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like

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its useless

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he is a cute little buddy to have tho :3

heavy geyser Nov 21, 2017, 9:00 AM

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dr wily not in the center

rotund karma Nov 21, 2017, 9:00 AM

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false knight is dr wily robot

fair rampart Nov 21, 2017, 12:06 PM

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hey does a full psd of the map+markers exist?

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thinking about using it for a D&D Campaign

#

would be cool if I could save different versions for my players, and actually like, turn stuff on as they found it in future sessions

rain cedar Nov 21, 2017, 12:08 PM

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You could ask RainingChain for the stuff he used for his map here https://rainingchain.com/hollowknight/map

civic hatch Nov 21, 2017, 12:11 PM

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https://youtu.be/FW03038RUQg

YouTube

How to be a Great Game Master

Great Game Master - Drawing a temple and cave map Part One - GMTips

I take you through drawing a map of a cave and temple system in Photoshop. ----- Support us via Amazon (Affiliate Link): http://amzn.to/2xTszFF Essential stu...

▶ Play video

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This guy has great tutorials for these stuff

late sphinx Nov 21, 2017, 2:00 PM

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you can get grimmchild multiple times

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to level it up

solemn rivet Nov 21, 2017, 2:03 PM

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you need to beat Grimm tho

fair rampart Nov 21, 2017, 4:39 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/310193660631187466/382568731626176522/received_10209698680571632.png?width=428&height=396

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fitting here, eh?

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 4:40 PM

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@fair rampart - pretty sure the map PSD is in the resources section of the speedrun site

#

23k tests in 680ms? that's.....unlikely

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 5:11 PM

#

you don't need to beat grimm for grimmchild anymore

#

also @fair rampart heres all the sprites for the map, just not aligned in anyway hollowface

📎 map.7z

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:04 PM

#

@leaden hedge or @rain cedar either of you have any ideas on the fireball FSM stuff? I just don't know enough about how they work to explain the odd behavior

weary pecan Nov 21, 2017, 6:16 PM

#

Quick mod question?

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thinkgrub

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:20 PM

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shoot (go for it)

weary pecan Nov 21, 2017, 6:21 PM

#

Where would I find charm damage modifiers (where applicable)?

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:21 PM

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you mean to change them?

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cause...that's complicated

#

some charms have their stuff in C# code

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some of it is in the FSMs

weary pecan Nov 21, 2017, 6:22 PM

#

I'm specifically looking to "fix" Weaversong from 2 dmg per to, say, 3-4

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:23 PM

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my guess is that's a FSM, but I haven't looked at Weaversong really. @leaden hedge i think went and found the damage value, so he likely knows where it'd be to change it

#

weaversong really should scale with nail damage imo, but TC hates the nail

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 6:23 PM

#

it might be on the charm effects object

#

but its probably on the actual spider itself

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:24 PM

#

that was my guess, but at work, so don't have the code handy to look

weary pecan Nov 21, 2017, 6:24 PM

#

Alright, if you would, check on it later and write back here? I'm at work also

#

Problem with nail scaling is that nail is OP already, and if Weaver scales shouldn't Glowing Womb and Spore Shroom and...?

#

That's why Thorns is a bit OP too, cuz of nail scaling

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 6:26 PM

#

nail is extremely weak

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:26 PM

#

spells are better in pretty much 100% of all situations

#

level 2 + shaman + twister + fluke + soul catcher = most bosses die in 3 hits

weary pecan Nov 21, 2017, 6:29 PM

#

I was looking at charm rankings earlier (as I am modding some costs for balance purposes now, after playing close to 200 hrs) and everybody puts all the nail charms (specifically: Pride, Q Slash, Longnail) way up on top. I like my spells too, though!

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 6:29 PM

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those are bad

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best charms are
F Str, Flukenest, Shaman Stone, Spell Twister

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:29 PM

#

if you want to know what charms are good, look at the speedrunners in categories that actually get charms

weary pecan Nov 21, 2017, 6:30 PM

#

Right, just yesterday I took down Uumuu in one opening with 3 Fluke shots.

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:30 PM

#

yup

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 6:30 PM

#

special mentions to,
Dreamwielder, Fury of the Fallen, Soul eater, Soul catcher and nailmasters glory

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:30 PM

#

HK with spell loadout gets to attack 4 times before you kill him

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 6:30 PM

#

pretty much every charm other than those 9 are complete waste of slots

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:31 PM

#

the only time nail can even come close to competing is if you do fury build

#

imo

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 6:31 PM

#

its still slower than fluke

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:31 PM

#

didn't say it was better, just that it came closer 😉

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 6:31 PM

#

only place you use nail for in speed run is colo

weary pecan Nov 21, 2017, 6:32 PM

#

Anyway, would appreciate some help with the spiderlings' dmg

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:32 PM

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yeah, try and remind me in like 6 hours

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 6:32 PM

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get the fsm dumper, get the fsm viewer hollowface

#

and spend the next few days figuring out the arcane

weary pecan Nov 21, 2017, 6:32 PM

#

Despite the fact that some charms are clearly favored over others, I'd like some attempt at balancing things out a bit better

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:32 PM

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but considering i still don't understand why fireball is freaking out on me, i'm probably the wrong person to ask 😉

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 6:33 PM

#

you can't balance the charms

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 6:33 PM

#

"literally black magic"

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 6:33 PM

#

half of them do nothing

#

how are you gonna make fragile greed a viable charm 🤔

weary pecan Nov 21, 2017, 6:38 PM

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No viable solution. Except for Weaver I wasn't planning on altering anything but notches by +1 or -1. I don't imagine increasing Geo % would make a significant difference for the better or worse, so dropping to 1 notch maybe? It's only really worth for slightly speeding up acquisition of Lantern. Or... for those who die a lot to their own shades.

#

The problem is, the more you think of it, the more you feel most charms could be reworked somewhat. And the problem with that is, as always, one thing imbalances another and the cycle never ends...

#

So I'm trying to keep changes as minimal and as close to vanilla as possible.

#

I have the unfortunate experience of having spent more time modding than playing other games before, which ultimately takes away from the fun and experience of just actually playing the damn game! And I really don't want to ruin my HK experience zote

timber gale Nov 21, 2017, 6:52 PM

#

I'd recommend buffing charms you find to be fun but underpowered

#

So that you can have fun with a charm while not being handicapped by it

#

Like making carefree melody consistent or dreamshield spin faster

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 6:56 PM

#

Then just play the game??

#

noot

lusty lantern Nov 21, 2017, 7:14 PM

#

I thought someone was making a dreamshield weapon mod.

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 7:16 PM

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its in lightbringer

solemn rivet Nov 21, 2017, 7:34 PM

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Orz: only real way is to do as KDT suggested

#

go through the FSM with the viewer, find what you want and edit it

trim totem Nov 21, 2017, 8:15 PM

#

We need a minion mod

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 8:29 PM

#

lightbringer mod doesn't work on Mac right?

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 8:34 PM

#

afaik, no

#

@trim totem -why? There are now...what, 4 charms that give you minion like things (shield, womb, weaversong, grimmchild)

trim totem Nov 21, 2017, 8:36 PM

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Because those charms are bad

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 8:37 PM

#

none of our mods work on Mac right? cuz it's different

#

like.... 96% sure

trim totem Nov 21, 2017, 8:37 PM

#

I'd like to see a dedicated grimmchild or dreamshield mod

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 8:37 PM

#

just need a confirmation

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 8:39 PM

#

api mods work if theres an api released for it

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 8:39 PM

#

but lightbringer definitely doesn't?

solemn rivet Nov 21, 2017, 8:39 PM

#

well

#

API works on DRM-free

#

and it wasn't built for that

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 8:40 PM

#

lightbringer isn't API

solemn rivet Nov 21, 2017, 8:40 PM

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maybe it works mac as well?

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 8:40 PM

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potentially if it works for DRM-FREE

solemn rivet Nov 21, 2017, 8:40 PM

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Lightbringer isn't API, so only if 753 manually ported it

#

I checked myself a few days ago KDT, it works for gog

#

ever since TGT there's a new method in the Assembly called GOGSomethingOrOther

#

and I thought that maybe it meant that the assembly was now "merged"

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 8:46 PM

#

i was gonna get the gog version of the game anyway to have a separate install, i can do a comparison to see if they are identical at this point.

#

mac wise, we might be able to build an API version of it, but I'd need someone who is willing to do the guinea pig testing which likely will be tedious back and forth

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 8:47 PM

#

i mean... i'm just asking for a reddit post

#

someone complaining the mod isn't working on Mac

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 8:48 PM

#

yeah, mac dlls are probably different

#

like 99.9% sure non-api mods won't work for them. api mods might, but ...

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 8:48 PM

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kk.

#

well imma respond then. lol

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 8:50 PM

#

now that we have all of the API building in a single step, the prospect of building a mac version is much less time consuming....maybe....

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 8:50 PM

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lol

#

i like the confidence

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 8:52 PM

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honestly it really just depends on how the mac stuff is compiled

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if it's just pure mono compilations, I don't think it'll be bad

solemn rivet Nov 21, 2017, 8:54 PM

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I can confirm that non-api mods do not work on mac, at least on older versions

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 8:55 PM

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why people ~~game on~~ own Macs at all... i'll never understand

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 8:56 PM

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its got an apple on it

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and more money = more good

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 8:57 PM

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🤔

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larger numbers is more better always

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 8:58 PM

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thats why I keep my temps at 125c

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 8:58 PM

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why not 126?

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 8:58 PM

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125 is the cutoff point for my gpu iirc

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126 and it'll shut down

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 8:59 PM

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lol

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course at anything over what, 65?, you start getting throttled

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 9:05 PM

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my ISP throttles me for far less

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 9:09 PM

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just wait until 12/15

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then they can throttle you and not even tell you 😃

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 9:10 PM

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-_-

buoyant obsidian Nov 21, 2017, 9:19 PM

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Yeah no MAC support unless somebody wants to buy me a macbook ;)

solemn rivet Nov 21, 2017, 9:51 PM

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there was someone who tested the mac version of blackmoth for me

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don't remember who it was tho

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 10:53 PM

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if I want to install randomizer for 1214

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is it just the file in the document?

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does it work for every patch?

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:00 PM

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you'll need to get the modding API for 1.2.1.4. I am pretty sure the randomizer is backwards compatible with that version

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though honestly there isn't a good reason not to play rando on CP

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 11:04 PM

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fuck new watchers

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literally the only reason

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I don't really wanna get used to new watchers when I run any% NMG

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 11:05 PM

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Then you'd have to run rando on 1.1.1.8

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 11:05 PM

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wait

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was it 1214 or 1221

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that watchers were changed?

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 11:05 PM

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Or were they changed in 1.2.2.1. I can't remember

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 11:05 PM

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I think so

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also Mick grats on the PB. I'm watching it now

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 11:06 PM

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Nope. 1.2.1.4

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 11:06 PM

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really?

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 11:06 PM

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So you're playing with watchers AI now

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 11:06 PM

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rip lol

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I was so sure it's 1221 but fair enough

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I guess since I started I'll finish this anyway

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 11:07 PM

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Just checked the patch notes

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 11:07 PM

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can't deny facts

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yea

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 11:07 PM

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Was actually added on 1.2.1.3

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 11:07 PM

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oh lol

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:10 PM

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1.2.2.1 actually made the new watchers easier

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cause it was the patch where they could be hit by spells where spinning

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1.2.1.4 is really the worst of the 3

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 11:12 PM

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LMAO

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 11:12 PM

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That was 1.2.1.3 where they could be hit

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 11:12 PM

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I'm good at making decisions please believe me

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:12 PM

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was it?

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 11:13 PM

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also this seed is such a meme

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 11:13 PM

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Yes

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:13 PM

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i thought there was a gap

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 11:13 PM

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fury had dash

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salubra has mantis

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:13 PM

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how is that troll?

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 11:13 PM

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No. Same patch they were allowed to be hit was when AI was changed

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:13 PM

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ah

young walrus Nov 21, 2017, 11:14 PM

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Yeah, how is that a meme. That's really good luck

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 11:14 PM

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oh I didn't mean "meme" as in bad

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more like, funny cause I just unlocked every place in the first 10 mins

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LUL

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dream nail had crystal heart

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:18 PM

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is this an "easy" seed?

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 11:18 PM

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yeah

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I'm tired so I didn't do a hard one

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:18 PM

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ah, ok, this makes more sense

trim nimbus Nov 21, 2017, 11:18 PM

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oh yeah

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I should stop playing on easy seeds. Especially since I managed to complete a hard one

weary pecan Nov 21, 2017, 11:21 PM

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So... back to my original inquiry: where to mod spiderlings dmg values?

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(What about enemy values? Outta curiosity)

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 11:22 PM

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the 2 values health and damage are
health_manager_enemy.health
and
damages_hero.damageDealt

weary pecan Nov 21, 2017, 11:29 PM

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I'm using dnSpy and have almost no clue as to how/where to search/find things, this is all I got... which is clearly not it

📎 dnSpy_v4.0.0-beta3_x64.jpg

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 11:30 PM

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well it technically is I guess

weary pecan Nov 21, 2017, 11:30 PM

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I readily admit I ain't too familiar with this engine

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 11:31 PM

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well thats fine because being familiar with unity probably won't help you

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so every entity in the game is represented by a GameObject
and GameObjects are controlled by one or more Components

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this game is coded with PlayMakerFSM which is a component

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so every enemy will have a PlaymakerFSM component, named health_manager_enemy

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which will then have a variable named health

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now to mod this, you have to find a reference to said PlayMakerFSM at runtime and edit it

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I'd recommend looking at the PlayMakerUnity2DProxy class, as that component is on every GameObject which has both a collider and a playmakerfsm

weary pecan Nov 21, 2017, 11:38 PM

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Alright, thanks, will need to look further into it!

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Was hoping it'd just be as easy as modding charm notches grubfather

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:50 PM

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@leaden hedge - how did oyu figure out that slot 0 and 14 were the 2 values needed to change the spell damage values?

buoyant obsidian Nov 21, 2017, 11:51 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrasensory_perception

Extrasensory perception

Extrasensory perception, ESP or Esper, also called sixth sense or second sight, includes claimed reception of information not gained through the recognized physical senses but sensed with the mind. The term was adopted by Duke University psycholo...

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:51 PM

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hilarious, but not helpful

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 11:55 PM

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📎 Hero_SpellHit_LSet_DamagefLZWZg.json

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:55 PM

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yeah, i have the fsm

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 11:55 PM

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ok

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:55 PM

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i see the byte data array

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just not how it correlates

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 11:55 PM

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look at paramName

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and then paramDataPos

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the paramDataType, paramName,paramDataPos and paramByteDataSize are all linked

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:56 PM

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hmm

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 11:56 PM

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0th element on them all describe the same piece of data

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so 3rd and 12th value in paramName = "setValue"

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which are the values that SetFsmInt use

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and the 3rd and 12th values in paramDataPos are 0 and 14

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:57 PM

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ah

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ok

leaden hedge Nov 21, 2017, 11:58 PM

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technically I wouldn't even do it this way anymore

buoyant wasp Nov 21, 2017, 11:59 PM

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i'm open to alternatives, just trying to help gradow get bonfire working

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 12:02 AM

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I'd do

FsmState state = fsm.States[0];
(FsmSetInt) baseDamage = state.Actions[0];
baseDamage.setValue = 0;
(FsmSetInt) shamanDamage = state.Actions[2];
shamanDamage.setValue = 0;

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 12:03 AM

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States[0] might not be the damage state though right?

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 12:04 AM

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nah

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you could do

foreach(FsmState state in fsm.States)
    if(state.Name == "Set Damage")

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 12:04 AM

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yeah, that's what it does now

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 12:05 AM

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and I dunno if you can get the original type of a abstracted class

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when its put into an array

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 12:05 AM

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usually something like BaseType would do that i think.

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so

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does Set Damage still need to be called?

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and loadActions?

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 12:06 AM

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you'd need to re enter Set damage

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loadActions you definitely don't want to do

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thats what loads the data from the byte array

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working with actions is probably way easier than the byte array

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its way more human readable than arcane sorcery hollowface

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 12:08 AM

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yeah

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 12:09 AM

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also I think you can add actions, by creating a new one and adding it to Actions and LoadedActions

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whereas trying to add actions the old way

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was just good luck lol

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 12:10 AM

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hmmm, so FsmSetInt doesn't a type

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 12:10 AM

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its SetFsmInt hollowface

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📎 unknown.png

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 12:11 AM

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yeah, got it

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so now i have

                foreach (FsmState state in playMakerFSM.FsmStates)
                {
                    if (state.Name != "Set Damage") continue;

                    LogDebug("Spell found: " + go.name);

                    SetFsmInt baseDamage = (SetFsmInt)state.Actions[0];
                    baseDamage.setValue = 0;
                    SetFsmInt shamanDamage = (SetFsmInt)state.Actions[2];
                    shamanDamage.setValue = 0;
                    playMakerFSM.SetState("Set Damage");
    }

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which definitely modifies the spell, but not the way we want it to, (it does the thing like the gif i posted where it basically doesn't spawn the fireball)

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ah, it's unhappy about a cast

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 12:20 AM

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fire ball fsm is different iirc

📎 Hero_SpellFireball2_SpiralFireball_ControlxZoE9Q.json

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 12:21 AM

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ah

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so for fireball it's 3 and 5 i think

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 "actionNames": [
                    "HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.SetScale",
                    "HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.SetMeshRenderer",
                    "HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.SetCollider",
                    "HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.SetFsmInt",
                    "HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.PlayerDataBoolTest",
                    "HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.SetFsmInt",
                    "HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.GetScale",
                    "HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.FloatMultiply",
                    "HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.FloatMultiply",
                    "HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.SetScale"
                ],

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 12:22 AM

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I would agree with that assumption

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but thats fireball2

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not sure about fireball1 or fluke

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 12:23 AM

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ah, yes, fireball1 is 2,4

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well, that's closer

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newly created fireballs are now being set to 0

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 12:46 AM

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still getting some fireballs that are wrong though

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where the fireball itself never spawns

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 12:48 AM

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welp

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wait

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oh

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:02 AM

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@solemn rivet - do you still have the old code that worked on the first 4, but failed after that?

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:10 AM

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you mean, KDT's code?

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:11 AM

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yeah

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:11 AM

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sure

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:11 AM

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the one you used back before the API

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:13 AM

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public void spellDamage(GameObject go)
{
    foreach (PlayMakerFSM playMakerFSM in go.GetComponents<PlayMakerFSM>())
    {
        if (playMakerFSM != null)
        {
            for (int j = 0; j < playMakerFSM.FsmStates.Length; j++)
            {
                if (playMakerFSM.FsmStates[j].Name == "Set Damage")
                {
                    Debug.Log("[SDT] " + go.name);
                    FieldInfo[] fields = typeof(ActionData).GetFields(BindingFlags.Instance | BindingFlags.Public | BindingFlags.NonPublic);
                    for (int k = 0; k < fields.Length; k++)
                    {
                        if (fields[k].Name == "byteData")
                        {
                            List<byte> list = (List<byte>)fields[k].GetValue(playMakerFSM.FsmStates[j].ActionData);
                            list[0] = (byte)LevellingSystem.instance.SpellDamage((int)list[0], this.statInt);
                            list[14] = (byte)LevellingSystem.instance.SpellDamage((int)list[14], this.statInt);
                            fields[k].SetValue(playMakerFSM.FsmStates[j].ActionData, list);
                            playMakerFSM.FsmStates[j].LoadActions();
                            playMakerFSM.SetState("Set Damage");
                        }
                    }
                }
            }
        }
    }
}```here it is

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:23 AM

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and that list was getting fetched via UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectsOfType<GameObject>() ?

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:25 AM

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this was called at the end of PlayMakerUnity2DProxy.Start()

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and it was called with the base.gameObject as argument

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:26 AM

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hmm

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k

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:26 AM

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so it's basically running very ofter

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:26 AM

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yeah

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:26 AM

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not every frame

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but still very often

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:27 AM

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i have it working so that all new fireballs work 100% of the time

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at least, as far as i can tell

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my problem is figuring out how to get the ones that are already loaded, because i think they might get loaded before even the mods load...maybe

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or, they aren't being created by the pool spawner

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:28 AM

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when are you running your code?

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 1:28 AM

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I'd assume they are made by the startup pool in objectpool

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:29 AM

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maybe they are pooled in between scenes?

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:29 AM

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i've got it checking twice, once at the end of scene load for all objects, then i added a hook that is called with teh GameObject at the end of the spawn

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:29 AM

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oh

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:29 AM

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so, it should be finding them

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:29 AM

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yeah

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:29 AM

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but the UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectsOfType<GameObject>() doesn't appear to do so

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:30 AM

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UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectsOfType<GameObject>()is a weirdo

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 1:30 AM

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Spooky

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:30 AM

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like, when I was trying to list all spells using that guy

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for some reason it would only load the nail

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no spell would be read by that

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:30 AM

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figures

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:30 AM

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I assume that's why it wasn't working

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 1:31 AM

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Have you tried iterating over all playmakerfsms

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:31 AM

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i think i have to add a method to the ObjectPool that will allow me to get all spawned/prefab objects

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:31 AM

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yeesh

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:31 AM

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didn't even know you could 😃

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:31 AM

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foreach (PlayMakerFSM playMakerFSM in go.GetComponents<PlayMakerFSM>())this?

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 1:32 AM

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Just put PlayMakerFSM instead of GameObject

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:32 AM

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oh

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 1:32 AM

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Works for any component

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:32 AM

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what would i use for the GameObject?

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some top level one i assume

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:32 AM

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so UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectsOfType<PlayMakerFSM>()?

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 1:33 AM

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UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectsOfType

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:33 AM

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worth a shot

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 1:34 AM

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Also iirc DontDestroyOnLoad objects go into another root object outside the current scene

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:37 AM

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well, that didn't help

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:38 AM

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maybe... Hook that to InputHandler or something?

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so it changes the damage values when cast button is pressed?

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:38 AM

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no, my problem is finding the object, the input handler wouldn't give me the object I don't hink

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:39 AM

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oh, right

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 1:39 AM

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if i could find it

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 3:15 AM

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bleh, i give up for the night, if the default fireball objects exist somewhere, i have no idea where or how to get to them. this is my current approach, which works for newer fireballs, but fails to work on the first handful. https://gist.github.com/iamwyza/b62b372555e282ff1fd9a50e880fa4d2

zenith panther Nov 22, 2017, 4:57 AM

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So I tried to install some mods (specifically api debug mod by seanpr) and my game just crashes with an error now.

#

Any idea what I did wrong?

buoyant obsidian Nov 22, 2017, 4:58 AM

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Are you on Windows? Did you install the API?

zenith panther Nov 22, 2017, 4:59 AM

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I tried to install the API (Which the best I can tell is just copying the assembly-csharp.dll file into the right place?)

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windows, steam.

buoyant obsidian Nov 22, 2017, 5:01 AM

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That should work as far as installing the API goes

zenith panther Nov 22, 2017, 5:02 AM

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Well, for whatever reason my game won't load after that.

buoyant obsidian Nov 22, 2017, 5:03 AM

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It won't load after just installing the API?

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Or did you install a mod with it too

zenith panther Nov 22, 2017, 5:03 AM

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I did not install any mods with it, just the api

buoyant obsidian Nov 22, 2017, 5:04 AM

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Try verifying your game files on Steam and doing it again

zenith panther Nov 22, 2017, 5:04 AM

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I tried full reinstalling, but ill try that.

young walrus Nov 22, 2017, 5:39 AM

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Did you install the correct version?

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You also have to replace the. Dll

rotund karma Nov 22, 2017, 5:59 AM

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@leaden hedge boss rush broke

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i had shape of unn

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and i was in hollow knight fight

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nah bro

#

it 🅱roke

#

now im anger

#

it was a steel soul run as well

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 7:21 AM

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huh?

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define "broke"

#

also, it's boss rush....do it again? it's designed to be 30-40 minutes long.

rotund karma Nov 22, 2017, 7:25 AM

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i killed hollow knight

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and in the bit where it says focus

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i couldnt

knotty grove Nov 22, 2017, 7:49 AM

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that's not a mod issue, also happens in the normal game

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I posted a video about this the other day

rotund karma Nov 22, 2017, 7:50 AM

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oh great

royal ridge Nov 22, 2017, 7:53 AM

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Yeah

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It's in the midst of being sent to the devs

rotund karma Nov 22, 2017, 7:53 AM

#

oh ok

noble trout Nov 22, 2017, 9:33 AM

#

where can i find the 1.2.2.1 bonfire mod?

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also is the game still in 1.2.2.1 anymore?

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in the github download i doesnt seem to be any Assembly-CSharp(steam).dll just Assembly-CSharp.dll

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do i just paste that in?

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ugghh bonfire always did problems to me and i never got it to work

fair rampart Nov 22, 2017, 9:49 AM

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rip

#

wait

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i have the meme just for u

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/310193660631187466/382568731626176522/received_10209698680571632.png?width=428&height=396

#

@noble trout

noble trout Nov 22, 2017, 9:50 AM

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lol

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ok but what do i do?

fair rampart Nov 22, 2017, 9:52 AM

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No idea honestly

#

i never coded

noble trout Nov 22, 2017, 9:52 AM

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me too

fair rampart Nov 22, 2017, 9:53 AM

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Lol

noble trout Nov 22, 2017, 9:53 AM

#

i message gradow maybe he could help me

fair rampart Nov 22, 2017, 9:54 AM

#

Alright

noble trout Nov 22, 2017, 10:08 AM

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i think i got it to work

#

but i will check later

#

the ui appears but when i hit the first door in king's pass it wont break

fair rampart Nov 22, 2017, 10:15 AM

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rip

noble trout Nov 22, 2017, 12:09 PM

#

WHY CANT I HIT ANYTHING

#

HLP

📎 unknown.png

fair rampart Nov 22, 2017, 12:23 PM

#

Um

#

Probs messed something up

noble trout Nov 22, 2017, 12:29 PM

#

yeah

#

he told me to download the drive version

#

but now it doesnt work at all

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:24 PM

#

@zenith panther still need help?

zenith panther Nov 22, 2017, 1:25 PM

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Not infront of my pc but it was working

#

Thanks!

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 1:25 PM

#

hollowknice

hazy sentinel Nov 22, 2017, 3:58 PM

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does randomizer lower max completion to 100%?

fair rampart Nov 22, 2017, 3:58 PM

#

not sure

hazy sentinel Nov 22, 2017, 3:59 PM

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cause I think I've done everything

#

do the spells not add completion or something thinkgrub

solemn rivet Nov 22, 2017, 4:06 PM

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maybe because of how they're coded?

#

like, the actual "spell" is still spawned

#

so it doesn't count as collected?

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 5:54 PM

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You never collect spells

#

You get proxy variables instead

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 6:17 PM

#

Also I figured out why my game crashed so much
My GPU bricked last night RIP

#

So I guess I won't be working on anything until I replace it

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 6:22 PM

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😦

#

sucky timing (at least if you live in the states)

#

probably less so elsewhere

#

@leaden hedge-what did you have before (GPU wise?)

#

also @leaden hedge or @rain cedar - I know how we get the dump of FSMs, but are there any logical links between the various json's. for example fireball has like 4 or 5 FSM files associated with it

buoyant obsidian Nov 22, 2017, 6:38 PM

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It's probably good timing with Black Friday coming up

#

might be able to find a new GPU cheap

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 6:38 PM

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really all depends on what he "needs"

#

a GTX 1060 would be a good low-end card to pickup

#

should play 99% of what he's likely to play for a decent price

#

unless he needs 4k 60fps

buoyant obsidian Nov 22, 2017, 6:39 PM

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That's considered low end these days?

rain cedar Nov 22, 2017, 6:40 PM

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Generally you want to look for an fsm with something like control in its name

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 6:40 PM

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the x60 series is generally the low end

#

xx60 = low, xx70 = medium, xx80=high, xx80Ti/TitanXX = enthusiast

#

k

#

i was just thinking about trying to improve kdt's fsm viewer

#

was hoping there was some sort of logical representation to tie them together

young walrus Nov 22, 2017, 6:41 PM

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Xx70 is usually the most cost effective imo

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 6:41 PM

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@young walrus yup

rain cedar Nov 22, 2017, 6:41 PM

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I think the 1060 is somewhat comparable to the 970 and that still runs everything fine on highest

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So I wouldn't call it low end

young walrus Nov 22, 2017, 6:41 PM

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Yeah. Those are the same pretty much

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 6:41 PM

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the 10xx series cards are significantly less power intensive

young walrus Nov 22, 2017, 6:41 PM

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Slight edge to 1060

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It's "low end" for the 10 series

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But it's still a good card

rain cedar Nov 22, 2017, 6:42 PM

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It's only really when I stream that I ever have performance issues

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 6:42 PM

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difference is

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a 970 is 300$

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a 1060 can be had for ~200

young walrus Nov 22, 2017, 6:43 PM

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There's not really a reason to go 970 over the 1060

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 6:43 PM

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i personally run a EVGA 1070 SC. half the time the fans don't even run because it doesn't even need to

young walrus Nov 22, 2017, 6:44 PM

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The 10 series thermals are so good

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 6:44 PM

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yup

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granted i went from a 680 to a 1070, so....yeah

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that was a bit of a jump

young walrus Nov 22, 2017, 6:44 PM

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Even at 100%, my 1070 never goes above like 65

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That's a hell of a jump

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 6:45 PM

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oh yeah. I spent a long time waffling on the 1080, but i couldn't justify the like, 60% cost increase for a 20% performance bump

young walrus Nov 22, 2017, 6:46 PM

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Yeah. I thought about the 1080 too. But that'd be super overkill since I play at 1080p

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 6:47 PM

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honestly nvidia just did a really good job with the 10xx series, not that the 900's were bad, but man, the 10xx was just so much better in every regard

young walrus Nov 22, 2017, 6:47 PM

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^

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 6:48 PM

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yeah, i play at 1080p as well, so, it didn't make sense for me. mostly because i wanted a IPS monitor at something around 23-24" and if you want IPS at above 1080p you need a much bigger monitor and I don't really gain much out of that with the games i play

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but anyway, i guess it really all comes down to how much he wants to spend. if he plays games mostly at or around HK's requirements, then 1060 is going to crush it no problem at a affordable price. (well, for me, 200$ might be alot for someone else, i try to not make assumptions about folks financials). the 1050 might work too, though then you're getting into the budget end which meh.

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 7:17 PM

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I had a 670 gtx before

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 7:18 PM

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nice

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pretty much anything you get is gonna be a massive upgrade then

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i'm personally an EVGA guy myself, though I've heard decent things about Gigabyte and MSI too

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entirely unrelated. It turns out that alt+f4 in hollowknight still calls the game's application quit hook

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 9:31 PM

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is there a way to make the fsm dumper dump ALL the FSMs instead of just the ones that get loaded as you play?

rain cedar Nov 22, 2017, 9:32 PM

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I'd have to look into the playmaker dll to know

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But it could be there's no way of knowing what exists until the game requests it

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 9:34 PM

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The fsms are just a component on a gameobject, won't get loaded until the gameobject does

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 9:37 PM

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where are they stored though? I see some of them in the Assembly-CSharp, but not the majority of them

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unless they are masquerading as something other that PlayMakerFSM objects

leaden hedge Nov 22, 2017, 10:52 PM

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You shouldn't see any in assembly-csharp, they should be on the objects / prefabs in levels / assets

buoyant wasp Nov 22, 2017, 11:58 PM

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wonder if there is a way to parse the asset files in bulk to get them out

timber gale Nov 23, 2017, 12:43 AM

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Nice cards nowadays are for either 120 fps or 4k

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Then again when I upgrade I'm gonna be going from a 660 so that'll be fun

daring snow Nov 23, 2017, 4:22 AM

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Going to try out Bonfire mod tomorrow 😃

buoyant wasp Nov 23, 2017, 4:24 AM

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fair warning, spell damage is still....not quite right, yes, lets go with that

daring snow Nov 23, 2017, 4:26 AM

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I played a bit and looked at the data sheet

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why increase enemy health per level?

buoyant wasp Nov 23, 2017, 4:26 AM

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because you get stronger per level

daring snow Nov 23, 2017, 4:26 AM

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does that not defeat the purpose of levelling then?

buoyant wasp Nov 23, 2017, 4:27 AM

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you gain strength faster than they gain health

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otherwise about halfway through the game, there is 0 challenge because you 1 shot everything

daring snow Nov 23, 2017, 4:27 AM

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also, I noticed selling artifacts to Lemm is better than consuming them to level

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no incentive to use them for levelling

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same with nail upgrade

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still worth

buoyant wasp Nov 23, 2017, 4:28 AM

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pretty sure selling stuff to lemm is supposed to be disabled

daring snow Nov 23, 2017, 4:28 AM

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nope

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most definitely sold it

buoyant wasp Nov 23, 2017, 4:28 AM

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supposed to be, not is 😉

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@solemn rivet

daring snow Nov 23, 2017, 4:28 AM

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i'll do more testing tomorrow

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I was mostly looking into speedrunning it

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so I was thinking about routing

buoyant wasp Nov 23, 2017, 4:28 AM

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ah, well, it's not 100% stable yet, so, YMMV

daring snow Nov 23, 2017, 4:29 AM

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no worries - good work guys!

buoyant wasp Nov 23, 2017, 4:29 AM

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it's 99% @solemn rivet

daring snow Nov 23, 2017, 4:29 AM

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also this is the first time I saw the new watchers in action

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ugh

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bleh

knotty grove Nov 23, 2017, 4:33 AM

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hahah 😄

knotty grove Nov 23, 2017, 5:25 AM

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ayy jumping down in false knight boss rush softlocks 😂

buoyant wasp Nov 23, 2017, 5:54 AM

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well, yeah, don't do that

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😛

knotty grove Nov 23, 2017, 6:00 AM

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hp bar for boss rush mode would be such a cool idea xD

buoyant wasp Nov 23, 2017, 6:01 AM

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install debug mod, done

knotty grove Nov 23, 2017, 6:01 AM

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or use hp in geo counter

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I mean besides that

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like a nice fat hp bar on the bottom