#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 34

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 12:56 AM

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If you could link those that would be helpful

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Awesome

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 12:56 AM

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i have no idea how to use it though. only of its existence

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i think @buoyant obsidian has used it, @leaden hedge is it's author

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 12:57 AM

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It's too complicated for me

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 12:57 AM

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lol

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 12:57 AM

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I could figure out where stuff was and what was going on, but couldn't really apply it.

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 12:58 AM

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Has anyone managed to mess with health and damage values?

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 12:58 AM

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Yep

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 12:58 AM

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oh, yeah, lots of that stuff

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 12:58 AM

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Those are the main things I'd like to deal with

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Are those values listen somewhere?

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I found some basic stats for the player

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Nothing about enemy health, though

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 12:59 AM

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Gradow#9473 could probably help you with that kind of stuff

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:00 AM

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Cool

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 1:00 AM

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his Bonfire mod changes enemy health to scale up with player level

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:00 AM

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Interesting

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Testing my first mod now

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Not responding

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Either it will, or I did something wrong

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Ay, it works

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Now to update the mask drawing code

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:13 AM

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did you manage to make the FSM viewer work?

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:13 AM

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Nope

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Not trying that yet

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:13 AM

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ok

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if you need help with health and damage values, I might be able to help

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KDT and Seanpr are the most qualified to do so though

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:15 AM

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Oh yeah, any idea where to find enemy health values?

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:15 AM

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yeah, it's in fsm

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GameObject[] array = UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectsOfType<GameObject>();
for (int i = 0; i < array.Length; i++)
{
    PlayMakerFSM playMakerFSM = FSMUtility.LocateFSM(array[i], "health_manager_enemy");
         if (playMakerFSM != null)
         {
                FSMUtility.SetInt(playMakerFSM, "HP", value);
        }
}```

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sets is to "value"

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:21 AM

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Are we able to edit FSM?

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Also, fairly unrelated, but anyone know where the HUD drawing code is?

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:23 AM

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afaik we can only edit FSM indirectly like this

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:23 AM

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Oh, FSM utility

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 1:23 AM

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also, if you aren't. I'd suggest using the modding api to mod

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:24 AM

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Might do that

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 1:24 AM

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in general, it makes life easier

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:24 AM

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What does it do?

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 1:24 AM

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basically instead of you having to edit Assembly-Csharp.dll, you make your own DLL and the api loads it

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so then when a new release comes out, one of us will update the API and all other mods basically work

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(minus things like having to account for new charms or fsm changes)

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but otherwise, when a new release comes out, you have to reapply all your changes to assembly-csharp again

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:25 AM

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worst case - you do the same amount of work every time an update comes out

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:25 AM

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Oh, that's nice

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:25 AM

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best case - you do nothing

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:25 AM

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I'm fine with this for now because I'm not doing anything serious

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Might use it later, though

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Also, I'm confused as to where charm and upgrade code happens

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 1:26 AM

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i think kdt posted a "Example Mod" here a while back that has the basics.

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charm is in playerdata

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:27 AM

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Analyzing things like nail damage tells me that it's only set in the new player setup code

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 1:27 AM

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gotCharm_#

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:27 AM

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Doesn't sound right

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Oh yeah, saw that

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 1:27 AM

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and there is an equipped array

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:27 AM

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But not where the charm's effects are applied

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 1:28 AM

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I think that's uhm. HeroController.Attack or HeroController.DoAttack

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looking at the api code, yeah, that seems right

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:29 AM

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charm's effects...

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it depends

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some are on HeroController.CharmUpdate

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some on Attack and some on DoAttack

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:29 AM

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Oh wait

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:29 AM

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some on HeroDash

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:29 AM

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I have seen a few

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:29 AM

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and some are simply not on code, but only on FSM

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:29 AM

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But what about upgraded nails

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 1:29 AM

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there is no central place for all of them

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:29 AM

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?

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:29 AM

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upgrades is just a number

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it's an int in PlayerData

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nailSmithUpgrades

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:30 AM

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Upgrading to a new nail should set nailDamage, right?

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:30 AM

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nailDamage is set in FSM to be 5+nailSmithUpgrades*4

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 1:30 AM

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you can just set nailDamage to something directly too

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:30 AM

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Lol

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:30 AM

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yup

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:30 AM

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FSM

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Dang it

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:30 AM

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most of the code is in FSM

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and I really mean it

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:30 AM

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And we can't deal with it

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Crap

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:30 AM

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like, most charms

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 1:30 AM

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we can

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:30 AM

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This is not easy

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Oh, really?

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How?

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 1:31 AM

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idk, i just know you can

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:31 AM

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FSM viewer is really helpful

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:31 AM

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I don't even know where it is, honestly

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:31 AM

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you can deal with them by trial and error, mostly

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:31 AM

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But does it allow modification or only viewing?

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:31 AM

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only vieweing

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:31 AM

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Where are the FSM files?

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:31 AM

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hidden

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you need the FSM Mod to dump then

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:31 AM

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Oh, I see

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:31 AM

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FSM Viewer to understand them

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and then you edit their behaviour indirectly in the code

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it's ugly, but it works

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:32 AM

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Nice

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Do you have a basic rundown on what FSM is?

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:33 AM

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finite state machine

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finite graph with transitions

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and transition rules

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lemme see if I have any handy

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 1:34 AM

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the randomzier uses them

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if you want to see an example of modifying them

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:34 AM

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I believe this is the FSM for sharpshadow

📎 unknown.png

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visualized in the Viewer

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bonfire uses a few FSMs, but not too much

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I believe rando and bossrush are the go to examples on how to abuse FSM

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:38 AM

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Hmm

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So where would you go about modifying that, then?

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:39 AM

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so, from that we get that the Sharp Shadow FSM has a damageDealt field

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 1:40 AM

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https://github.com/MyEyes/RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod/SceneHandler.cs

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they modify them there

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:40 AM

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and in Blackmoth I use that knowledge here:

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 FSMUtility.LocateFSM(this.sharpShadow, "damages_enemy").FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("damageDealt").Value = this.dashDamage;```

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:40 AM

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Oh, I need to look more at FSMUtility

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:41 AM

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public void GetSharpShadow()
        {
            if (sharpShadow == null || sharpShadow.tag != "Sharp Shadow")
            foreach (GameObject gameObject in Resources.FindObjectsOfTypeAll<GameObject>())
            {
                if (gameObject != null && gameObject.tag == "Sharp Shadow")
                {
                        this.sharpShadow = gameObject;
                        break;
                }
            }
        }```here's how I set the sharpShadow object

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so, here's a quick rundown of why FSMs are hard to deal with:

you have to figure out their objects, tags, names, fields and transitions in order to do anything with them

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:47 AM

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That makes sense

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I'm going to try to make a serious mod tonight

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Something more difficult than Glass Soul, maybe?

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Either that or something easier than normal

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 1:49 AM

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make a mod exactly as difficult as the vanilla game

ornate rivet Nov 13, 2017, 1:50 AM

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Replace all common enemies with bosses 😃

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 1:50 AM

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Double everything

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good and bad

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 1:54 AM

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2x double damage double hp radiance with twice the spikes, lasers, and lances

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 1:56 AM

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Might

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That sounds like it would double the length of the game, though

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 1:57 AM

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nah just make the game 2x faster

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 2:02 AM

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and have 4x the nails

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you could make some sort of gimmick mod

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like blackmoth

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 2:13 AM

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Now I wanna make an x2 mod

swift cairn Nov 13, 2017, 2:14 AM

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do x1.5, 2 is too much imo

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 2:17 AM

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3.5x fury hollowwoke

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 2:59 AM

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How about Wooden Soul?

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Every time you die your max health reduces by one. If you die when you only have one max health, the run ends

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 3:00 AM

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how about no

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 3:00 AM

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Easier than Steel Soul, tougher than original, and it gets harder the worse you do

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 3:00 AM

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how is wood between steel and normal though

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wooden soul would be like

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every time you die your HP increases by one

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 3:01 AM

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I chose wood because it's something that can wear down over time

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Considered ice, but that implies that it's fragile

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 3:01 AM

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i feel like the brittleness of the material correlates with the difficulty though

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 3:01 AM

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Yes

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 3:01 AM

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normal (whatever the heck that is), steel, glass

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wood isn't brittle

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unless it's very old

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 3:02 AM

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Exactly, that's why it's between normal and steel

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Because you can die

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Although wood isn't tougher than steel

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But there really isn't a material that's both tougher than steel and also wears down

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Wait, could be something like monolith soul

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Strong, but worn over time

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 3:03 AM

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kevlar soul

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primal aspids don't damage you but everything else is the same intenseface

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teflon soul

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 3:04 AM

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Lol

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 3:04 AM

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can't equip any charms

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 3:05 AM

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I considered doing that one, actually

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How about void soul

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You can't unequip any charms, but they still use notches, so choose wisely

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And if you overcharm it's permanent

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 3:07 AM

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woAH

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get your possibly good ideas outta here

tribal nexus Nov 13, 2017, 3:08 AM

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Backwards soul - start with full upgrades and lose them as you progress

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 3:08 AM

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how would that even work

tribal nexus Nov 13, 2017, 3:08 AM

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I don't know but it's a stupid idea anyways

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 3:08 AM

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sounds like it'd hardlock everything

tribal nexus Nov 13, 2017, 3:08 AM

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Yes

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Yes it would

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 3:08 AM

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Yes

tribal nexus Nov 13, 2017, 3:08 AM

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Doesn't have shadow dash or desolate dive for radiance

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Rip

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 3:08 AM

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Radiance would be impossible

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Exactly

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I actually have an idea

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 3:09 AM

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start with all charms and when you pick it up it removes it hollowface

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 3:09 AM

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Gonna try it, but it will be a surprise

tribal nexus Nov 13, 2017, 3:09 AM

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Radiance can be beat with just shadow dash and mantis claw

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Mantis claw is needed to start the fight because shitty platforming placement

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But there is a level 0 fight of radiance with just shadow dash

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0 damage taken

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I forget who but probably fireb0rn since he's psychotic

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It was razhork

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https://youtu.be/buElIf3p7A0

YouTube

Razhork

Hollow Knight - True Final Boss [No Damage][Only melee][No upgrades][No charms]

Playtime on that character went from 16 to 52 hours of purely attempting this. Also raised my blood pressure by too damn much. Edit: Shadow Dash is NEEDED fo...

▶ Play video

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 3:31 AM

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Testing my horrible mod now

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Needs fine-tuning, that's for sure

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I think you all will like this when it's done

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Which will be about 45 minutes from now

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Or maybe less

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 3:40 AM

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maybe try polishing it for more than 2 hours

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 3:41 AM

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We'll see if it even needs that

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This is more a proof of concept than anything

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 3:41 AM

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most mods that you see here have had dozens of hours of work and testing put into them

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 3:42 AM

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I'd do that for more of a serious one

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The big difficulty here is figuring out the right slope for my model

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Think I gotta do a quadratic

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I missed solving quadratics

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 3:47 AM

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minus 🅱

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plus or minus the sq-

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 3:47 AM

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Wait, never mind

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3-variable linear equation

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No, this won't work

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Because I may run into a case where some of my points are on opposite sides of the vertex

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AAAAAH

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I think I'll get geogebra and figure it out that way

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nice and visual

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 3:53 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 3:54 AM

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yes

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 3:55 AM

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Not nearly as much as I wish I could

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 3:58 AM

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Think I got it, just got to implement it and...

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📎 test.png

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 3:58 AM

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Im stuck in randomizer at the start...

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 3:59 AM

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oh?

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did you not go get fury?

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:00 AM

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Unlocked vengeful spirit. Got: fury, vengeful spirit, soul catch, dream nail, dreanshield, hornet 1,

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Map shop, sly and salubra.

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:04 AM

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so, no dash/wings/claw/tear/ch?

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:04 AM

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Where is random seed saved?

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:04 AM

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in your save folder

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but

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before you go cheat

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:04 AM

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Its the rnd.js ?

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:05 AM

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yes

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though that will go away eventually 😉

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:05 AM

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809107062

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:05 AM

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Isn't it a text file?

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Not a js

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:05 AM

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it's in modlog too

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:05 AM

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Its a json.

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:05 AM

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but there are other things

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have you done mantis claw?

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:06 AM

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What is available?

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:06 AM

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How can I do mantis?

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:06 AM

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you have VS

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you can vs jump the gap

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:06 AM

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Ah

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:06 AM

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Oh he has vs

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:06 AM

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well, you have to do 2 vs jumps

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Queens station -> Fungal

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:06 AM

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Yeah, you can get over to fungal

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:06 AM

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then that gets you leg eater, claw and dashmaster

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:06 AM

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Does shade skip works there too?

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:07 AM

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With a fireball air stall

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No

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:08 AM

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is it possible to get to baulders with just VS?

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:08 AM

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No

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You need some kind of movement ability

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:09 AM

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thought so

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:09 AM

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But any will work

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:10 AM

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Any video about the vs jump to fungus?

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Seems a lot harder than mosquito skip equivalent.

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:11 AM

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OH it is

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 4:11 AM

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it is

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 4:12 AM

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Note to self: parentheses are important.

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 4:12 AM

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@rustic fossil fsms are a class that look kinda like this

fsm:                           //(HutongGames.PlayMakerFSM)
  array of states:             //(HutongGames.PlayMakerFSM.FSMState[])
    state[0]:                  //(HutongGames.PlayMakerFSM.FSMState)<- this is just a holder for the below data
      array of transitions     //(HutongGames.PlayMaker.FsmTransition)<- this is an event system that listens for an event and changes state to another when it hears it
      array of actions         //(HutongGames.PlayMakerFSM.FsmStateAction[])<- abstract class thats casted to a single function encapsulated in a class (HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.?), like set velocity (HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions.SetVelocity)
      array of local variables //(HutongGames.PlayMakerFSM.FsmVariables[])<- abstract class thats casted to FsmInt, FsmString
    state[1]:                  //(HutongGames.PlayMakerFSM.FSMState)
      array of transitions     //(HutongGames.PlayMaker.FsmTransition)
      array of actions         //(HutongGames.PlayMakerFSM.FsmStateAction[])    
      array of local variables //(HutongGames.PlayMakerFSM.FsmVariables[])    
  array of global variables:   //(HutongGames.PlayMakerFSM.FsmVariables[])

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thanks for respecting formatting discord hollowface

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:19 AM

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And you can get to claw without dash?

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 4:19 AM

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yes

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:20 AM

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Ok, claw gave me dash!

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with little help of debug mod for the vs jumps...

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:21 AM

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...... cheater

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:p

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:22 AM

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That seed is insane.

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Dash doesnt open anything except baldur.

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:22 AM

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And thorns

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:22 AM

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True.

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 4:22 AM

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the less stuff it opens the better

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:23 AM

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Except if theres another random vs jump skip or sahde skip.

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 4:23 AM

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atleast you know where you have to go hollowface

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:24 AM

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Can you do thorn with double jump?

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:24 AM

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No

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You need dash or claw and crystal heart

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 4:24 AM

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you can do it just fireball hollowface

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:25 AM

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Pfft. TAS only you can

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:25 AM

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Got claw from thorn. That was easy lol

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:25 AM

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modding api 1.2.2.1 doesn't seem to be working for me. it's not showing the mod list in the top left corner of the title screen.

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:26 AM

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Normally, claw is my last mandatory item.

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:26 AM

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What version do you have

slate owl Nov 13, 2017, 4:26 AM

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1.3.1 randomizer

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:26 AM

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think he's talking to frenzied

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:26 AM

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The most recent MOD api wasnt put on the drive yet was it?

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:26 AM

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no, it's still experimental

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but the latest working api is up on the drive

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1.2.2.1-6

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:27 AM

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Okay. Well dash 6 is most recent in my mind. Lol

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:27 AM

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then, yes hollowface

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:28 AM

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the bottom left corner says 1.2.2.1. the zip i downloaded for the modding api is called 1.2.2.1. idk where i would find out what the final dash number is.

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:28 AM

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Try downloading it from the drive again

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That version only went on the drive like.... Yesterday

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Or today

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"recently"

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:29 AM

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downloading again gives me the same file

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:30 AM

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Where did you put it

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:31 AM

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i put Assembly-CSharp.dll from it at C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data\Managed\Assembly-CSharp.dll

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i didn't extract any of the desktop.ini files. i assume those aren't required for the api to function hollowface

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:32 AM

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Nah. Just need to replace the game's existing assembly dll

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:32 AM

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i renamed the existing Assembly-CSharp.dll to Assembly-CSharp_vanilla.dll and left it in the same directory. was that a mistake? thinkgrub

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:33 AM

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probably

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:33 AM

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i also switched Steam into offline mode. is that necessary?

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:33 AM

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not really

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:33 AM

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Offline mode doesn't matter

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:33 AM

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i usually rename my vanilla to Assembly-CSharp.vanilla.dll, it could be that the _ causes the vanilla one to be loaded

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or

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something else is wrong entirely

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post your output.txt + ModLog.txt (if it exists)

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 4:34 AM

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K, note that when I say I'm testing my mod, I don't mean making sure it's possible to finish

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:34 AM

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ok, i completely deleted the vanilla one.

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 4:34 AM

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Just that it works as intended

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:34 AM

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You can always get the vanilla one back by verifying files anyways

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:36 AM

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when i delete the modded .dll, the game doesn't boot, so i know the dll i'm giving it is being loaded and used.

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can someone verify that they have the same file as me? md5sum? sha1sum? crc32? file size?

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^someone for whom the api works

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:37 AM

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Will the api mod display version number even if no other mods are installed?

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:38 AM

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i also installed 3 mods

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wait, wut. now it works.

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i have a theory

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:39 AM

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Did you do what I did and update the game after installing the mod?

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noot

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:43 AM

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ok, i know what the bug primalaspid is. if you have a file handle open on ModLog.txt, then the API crashes on startup. That wasn't the case with the previous version of the modding api i was using.

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so, now my workflow is to kill tail -f everytime i start hollow_knight.exe. ugh.

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how do other people read the ModLog.txt output?

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 4:44 AM

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works fine in sublime text

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:44 AM

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Works fine in note pad

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:44 AM

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it's because the old API opened the file every time you logged

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 4:44 AM

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notepad doesnt real time update

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:44 AM

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which caused weird concurrency issues with stuff like player data tracker which has threaded calls

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:45 AM

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shrugs I don't need real time updates

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:45 AM

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incidentally, if you tail -F on output_log.txt, it will prevent that file from being created entirely

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notepad++ works too, next time you click into it it says "hey this file changed, reload?"

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:45 AM

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Question was how other people read it. And that's how I read it.

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hollowface

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:46 AM

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gotta love win32 programming.

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:46 AM

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eh, i might be able to tell the file handle thing to ignore open reads, but my guess is the issue is that WSIL isn't perfect

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:47 AM

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tail -f worked without the game losing focus, so any editor with a "this file has changed" prompt is not as useful.

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@buoyant wasp now that the file is open constantly, is it being flushed on every call to ModLog?

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:48 AM

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it flushes whenever streamwriter decides it needs to flush

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but in general, probably

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it doesn't seem to be a performance issue

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we were logging stuff every .02 seconds without issue when i was testing stuff in the more saves mod

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:50 AM

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i have a dream of using a bidirectional terminal of some kind (telnet?) in a mod. maybe it's time to look into implementing that thinkgrub

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do we know what was causing @young walrus lag on the save file screen?

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 4:52 AM

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The randomization running

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I believe it re-executes it on every save load

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:53 AM

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yup

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it's gonna be fixed soon™

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:54 AM

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ok.

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woah. is the ModLog.txt in UTF-16? maggot

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it is.... i didn't know notepad could read that.

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 4:56 AM

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pretty sure it supports JP text atleast

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:57 AM

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UTF-8 supports everything, and it's ascii compatible. I think the only compelling usecase for UTF-16 is when your text file is mostly chinese/japanese.

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but whatever. i can still read this; it was just a surprise.

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:59 AM

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in .net it's "Unicode"

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don't remember what the default of unicode is

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could switch it to UTF8

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 4:59 AM

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Unicode is not an encoding. if Microsoft is calling something Unicode or ANSI, they are liars. which they are.

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:59 AM

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i just used whatever it was before i started working on it

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using (StreamWriter writer = new StreamWriter(file, Encoding.Unicode))

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 5:00 AM

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nice.

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 5:00 AM

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well, it's just like what they do with an int

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an int isn't an int, it's a int32

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so probably Encoding.Unicode is just an alias for something else

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I have no care one way or another what format it is

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 5:01 AM

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yeah. Unicode means utf16 according to the docs

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i guess i'm the only one who cares.

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 5:01 AM

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it's one of those "does it break something currently" things 😃

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 5:01 AM

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utf8 is the end all of character encodings.

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 5:02 AM

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But 16 has a larger number, so it must be better.

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hollowface

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 5:02 AM

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UTF-128 coming right up...

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hollowdab

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 5:03 AM

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and yet, they also did UTF7, UTF16 and UTF32

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 5:03 AM

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everyone knows CP932 is the best encoding hollowface

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 5:03 AM

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and a bunch of UTF8 variants

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 5:03 AM

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@leaden hedge does that have box drawing characters? hollowlenny

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 5:04 AM

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it has a box as a character hollowface

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ロ

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thats about as good hollowface

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 5:05 AM

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if it were up to me, we'd all be using LF line endings, soft tabs, and Linux. so take what I want with a grain of salt zote

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using (StreamWriter writer = new StreamWriter(file, new UTF8Encoding(false)))

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:24 AM

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Alright, I'm calling this done. Uploading now.

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Have fun: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XTQ5BCPi_jdx7hmgY7hiG3neEKWdHiFL/view?usp=sharing

Google Docs

HollowKnightBurdenMod.zip

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I won't say what it does because it'll be a cool surprise, but I will say 2 things

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It affects the entire experience of the game. (It's a gimmick)

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 5:29 AM

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Surprise mods? I like that idea

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:29 AM

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Those good at the game might not notice what it does for awhile

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 5:29 AM

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Oh is it just wood?

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:29 AM

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And it's called the Burden Mod

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 5:35 AM

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lets see, a surprise mod dll with no source and nothing else. yeah, this seems like a good idea to put in

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 5:36 AM

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It's a surprise because it's spyware

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noot

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 5:36 AM

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Guys you have the wrong idea

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Look at point 2.

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It encrypts some of your hard drive every time you get hit

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 5:36 AM

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It's a burden because it bricks your pc

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 5:37 AM

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good players might not even notice until they get hit quite a few times

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and can't open apps

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:37 AM

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Source?

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The source is literally in the file

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Just dnSpy

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That's the best I can do

rain cedar Nov 13, 2017, 5:38 AM

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Nobody is going to search the entirety of the assembly for changes

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And it would be a pain in the ass to export the code to a project and check changes programatically

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:38 AM

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You really think I'd make the .dll malware?

rain cedar Nov 13, 2017, 5:38 AM

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See, I've never seen you talk before

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I know nothing about you

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 5:38 AM

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Your Discord avatar is Chad

rain cedar Nov 13, 2017, 5:38 AM

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I don't know what you would do

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 5:38 AM

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Chad always wants to fuck me over

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:39 AM

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I feel like there would be easier ways to get malware on your computer than modding it into Hollow Knight when many methods can't even be edited in anything but IL

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Also, I've been here for a bit

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Talk mostly in #hk-help

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A bit in #hk-discussion

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 5:40 AM

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theres only one thing you'll ever need to edit with IL

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and thats stuff that has
UnityEngine.SceneManagement.SceneManager.sceneLoaded

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:40 AM

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Ah, nice

rain cedar Nov 13, 2017, 5:40 AM

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Any event, not just that

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:40 AM

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See, I come from Rain World modding

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Like 60% of the code doesn't work in C#

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I only started modding Hollow Knight tonight

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But it was easy because it's exactly the same concept as Rain World modding

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 5:41 AM

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you can just write actual csharp

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in an editor

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with the api

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:42 AM

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Didn't use the API because I didn't know about it when I started

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But if you're legit worried that it would be malware I can DM you with what it does

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I just think it's more interesting if you don't know what to expect

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Heck, I could even screenshot/paste the one method that's changed

heavy geyser Nov 13, 2017, 5:49 AM

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You just had to make a first impression with a cute anime avatar

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:49 AM

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Probably

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 5:49 AM

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btw, @leaden hedge - I think there is an object/memory leak in the more saves mod

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:49 AM

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Lol, this one is a recent avatar, came from a joke

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 5:49 AM

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or boss rush, currently trying to figure out which one

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:50 AM

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So is anyone going to believe me and be willing to try it, or do I have to spoil the surprise and say right here what it does?

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 5:51 AM

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I wouldn't install a mystery mod without knowing what it does. Seems like a waste of my time

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:52 AM

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Then I wouldn't bother.

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 5:52 AM

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i doubt you'll find any takers

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 5:52 AM

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its something to with being in acid

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:52 AM

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Nope

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I don't know why I'm saying anything about it, I guess I'm wasting my time

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 5:54 AM

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oh I see I made a mistake with the filter hollowface

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 5:54 AM

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Seems like a larger waste of time to spend writing the mod if nobody is going to play it because they don't know what it does

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Marketing is important too

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:56 AM

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I'd probably be a lot more willing to just say what it does if I wasn't immediately (seriously, it seems) accused of putting malware in it. (Yeah, adding malware in like 30 minutes. Super easy to do. And obviously the best way to infect people's computers is to not tell them what it does, because then they'll be likely to install it, clearly.) But I think I won't bother. I know it was worth my time, and if no one else agrees, then it's their loss.

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Personally, I think it's preposterous that anyone even suspect that. And you know what? It's not a good way to greet newcomers, even if it does turn out to be true. Which again, would be preposterous.

rain cedar Nov 13, 2017, 5:58 AM

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I don't actually think it's likely there's malware

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I do think it would be a waste of my time to try out a mystery mod that could take hours to discover the purpose

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:58 AM

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Like I said, it affects the whole game

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Unless you do glass soul regularly, you'll see what it does in minutes

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 5:59 AM

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I thought we were being sarcastic about the malware part.... Hence the noot

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 5:59 AM

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I thought so at first as well, but then it didn't seem like it

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But also, I think I've made it obvious what the trigger is

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Even though I didn't want to give that much away

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So with that in mind, anyone could figure out what it does in 5 seconds if they really just want to find out and then leave it

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 6:00 AM

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Sounds like getting hurt slows you down

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 6:01 AM

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That would be evil

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Lol

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Because you wouldn't be able to recover if you got hit

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(Not glass soul, sorry, 1 health, no permadeath)

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I think what it actually is is more interesting, sort of balances out

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Anyways, I'll leave it there, if someone wants to try it, they can, if not, fine by me

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Any chance we can pin it so it doesn't get lost?

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 6:07 AM

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        if (this.cState.inWalkZone)
        {
            this.rb2d.velocity = new Vector2(move_direction * this.WALK_SPEED * (float)(5.3333 / ((double)this.playerData.health + 0.3333)), this.rb2d.velocity.y);
            return;
        }
        if (this.inAcid)
        {
            this.rb2d.velocity = new Vector2(move_direction * this.UNDERWATER_SPEED * (float)(5.3333 / ((double)this.playerData.health + 0.3333)), this.rb2d.velocity.y);
            return;
        }
        if (this.playerData.equippedCharm_37 && this.cState.onGround && this.playerData.equippedCharm_31)
        {
            this.rb2d.velocity = new Vector2(move_direction * this.RUN_SPEED_CH_COMBO * (float)(5.3333 / ((double)this.playerData.health + 0.3333)), this.rb2d.velocity.y);
            return;
        }
        if (this.playerData.equippedCharm_37 && this.cState.onGround)
        {
            this.rb2d.velocity = new Vector2(move_direction * this.RUN_SPEED_CH * (float)(5.3333 / ((double)this.playerData.health + 0.3333)), this.rb2d.velocity.y);
            return;
        }
        this.rb2d.velocity = new Vector2(move_direction * this.RUN_SPEED * (float)(5.3333 / ((double)this.playerData.health + 0.3333)), this.rb2d.velocity.y);
    }

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this is what it does hollowface

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 6:07 AM

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Yep, that's the code change

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That makes it obvious I think

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As long as you're ~~good~~ mildly ok with rational equations

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 6:11 AM

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So you move slower the healthier you are.

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I was close

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 6:13 AM

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Yeah, but very different dynamic

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This way you have more of a chance to recover if you're low on health

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One health makes accuracy difficult, 2 as well to some degree

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If you're fighting one of the later bosses and have 9 masks, you'll probably effectively have 5-6 health since moving that slowly would make it difficult.

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Or it will give an opportunity to be creative with Dashmaster

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 6:25 AM

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also @buoyant wasp MoreSaves I'm almost positive has no leaks (atleast not caused by me (maybe the internal save function leaks)),
and boss rush shouldn't unless either
a) the shinies are leaking
b) the labels are leaking

neither should because they should get destroyed on load

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 6:29 AM

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is any part of the UI overlay from saves mod running outside of the main menu?

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so far, in testing, i seem to get intermittent lag spikes during fights with saves mod enabled, but not if it's disabled

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nothing in the logs though that would indicate some sort of failure that i can see though

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 6:30 AM

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            float t = Time.realtimeSinceStartup;

            if (UIManager.instance.uiButtonSkins.GetButtonSkinFor(GameManager.instance.inputHandler.inputActions.paneLeft).skinType == ButtonSkinType.SQUARE)
            {
                MoreSaves.rectLeft.sizeDelta = new Vector2(58, 58);
                MoreSaves.rectRight.sizeDelta = new Vector2(58, 58);
            }
            else
            {
                MoreSaves.rectLeft.sizeDelta = new Vector2(98, 61);
                MoreSaves.rectRight.sizeDelta = new Vector2(98, 61);
            }

            MoreSaves.imageLeft.sprite = UIManager.instance.uiButtonSkins.GetButtonSkinFor(GameManager.instance.inputHandler.inputActions.paneLeft).sprite;
            MoreSaves.imageRight.sprite = UIManager.instance.uiButtonSkins.GetButtonSkinFor(GameManager.instance.inputHandler.inputActions.paneRight).sprite;

            MoreSaves.textLeft.text = UIManager.instance.uiButtonSkins.GetButtonSkinFor(GameManager.instance.inputHandler.inputActions.paneLeft).symbol;
            MoreSaves.textRight.text = UIManager.instance.uiButtonSkins.GetButtonSkinFor(GameManager.instance.inputHandler.inputActions.paneRight).symbol;

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this is the only code that runs outside the main menu

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you could try putting the entire Update function inside
if(!GameManager.instance.gameState != GameState.PLAYING)

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and see if that helps

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 6:32 AM

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k

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i'll try that next run

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 6:36 AM

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also you could put all this into a hook

            if (UIManager.instance.uiButtonSkins.GetButtonSkinFor(GameManager.instance.inputHandler.inputActions.paneLeft).skinType == ButtonSkinType.SQUARE)
            {
                MoreSaves.rectLeft.sizeDelta = new Vector2(58, 58);
                MoreSaves.rectRight.sizeDelta = new Vector2(58, 58);
            }
            else
            {
                MoreSaves.rectLeft.sizeDelta = new Vector2(98, 61);
                MoreSaves.rectRight.sizeDelta = new Vector2(98, 61);
            }

            MoreSaves.imageLeft.sprite = UIManager.instance.uiButtonSkins.GetButtonSkinFor(GameManager.instance.inputHandler.inputActions.paneLeft).sprite;
            MoreSaves.imageRight.sprite = UIManager.instance.uiButtonSkins.GetButtonSkinFor(GameManager.instance.inputHandler.inputActions.paneRight).sprite;

            MoreSaves.textLeft.text = UIManager.instance.uiButtonSkins.GetButtonSkinFor(GameManager.instance.inputHandler.inputActions.paneLeft).symbol;
            MoreSaves.textRight.text = UIManager.instance.uiButtonSkins.GetButtonSkinFor(GameManager.instance.inputHandler.inputActions.paneRight).symbol;

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InputManager.OnActiveDeviceChanged += activeDeviceChanged;

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 6:42 AM

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what namespace is InputManager in?

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 6:42 AM

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InControl

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 6:44 AM

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meh, w/e stupid dnspy not being able to handle hook names properly. we'll see if the update() game state check will fix it. (though I agree in your thinking about moving the image buttons to the hook, no sense in checking every update if there is an event)

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 6:59 AM

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@leaden hedge this is basically the same thing that can happen with soul master. probably should just hard code the positions of the drops for all bosses rather than drop them at the players feet to avoid these this kind of thing.

📎 unknown.png

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 7:00 AM

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probably

rain cedar Nov 13, 2017, 7:01 AM

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Happens at collector too

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 7:01 AM

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you can do it at FK too

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by jumping as they spawn near the wall

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:09 AM

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so yeah, current known issues i've found:

Grimm 1 seems to drop items only 50% of the time, the rest of the time he drops nothing
Mantis Claw doesn't work (submitted a PR for that)
Collector is still annoying as hell breaking half the time with alot of the charms you might pickup
Several places where shinies fall out of bounds
Dream Fights intermittently stay black/white
Jonis, the forever broken one
Hiveblood sort of works, if you die
Sometimes you spawn in the Fallen Knight's fight where the fight engages and he jumps on you while the teleport animation is playing

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thoughts on other things that could be added

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Like the randomizer, a screen that shows up before the credits that would give some fun statistics. For Example

Boss Kill Times, # of flawless fights, # of deaths, # of somethings., average boss kill times. and of course some sort of credits to KDT 😃

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#of times wyza bothered the author for features

paper basinBOT Nov 13, 2017, 7:20 AM

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Please specify a role to self-assign.

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:20 AM

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.gr modders

paper basinBOT Nov 13, 2017, 7:20 AM

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modders is not a valid role.

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 7:20 AM

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gottem

rain cedar Nov 13, 2017, 7:20 AM

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Ask Simo or Benji

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They're both on

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:20 AM

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hehe

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k

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 7:20 AM

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not that the role does anything

rain cedar Nov 13, 2017, 7:20 AM

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It makes you fancy green

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 7:20 AM

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other than let you delete messages and pin stuff

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:20 AM

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mostly the green

thorn comet Nov 13, 2017, 7:21 AM

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It allows people who pin messages here (also delete, comes with the permission)
Same with Art Crew for #art-discussion
and srcom mods for #speedrunning

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:22 AM

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well, it's up to the other modders here.

dapper folio Nov 13, 2017, 7:22 AM

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and mods with everywhere

thorn comet Nov 13, 2017, 7:22 AM

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Whats up to the Modders here?

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 7:22 AM

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making modding private to modders only

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get rid of mods

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:22 AM

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lol

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no, more like, me having the modders role

dapper folio Nov 13, 2017, 7:23 AM

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oh, I see

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modders (channel moderators) versus modders (people who make mods)

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:23 AM

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yes, the @ modders

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(not to be confused with @ mods)

dapper folio Nov 13, 2017, 7:25 AM

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as it is now, @ Modders is just the name for the sub-moderators for this channel. We haven't considered a modder role for people who make mods

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:25 AM

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ah

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thought that was what it was

dapper folio Nov 13, 2017, 7:25 AM

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like how Art Crew is the people moderating #art-discussion, not the only artists allowed

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:26 AM

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nvm, don't really care that much then 😃

dapper folio Nov 13, 2017, 7:26 AM

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hmm... thinkgrub

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@ Modders --> @ Modding Mods
make mod maker role (literally does nothing, maybe another shade of green)
make artist role (literally does nothing, maybe another shade of purple)

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 7:27 AM

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modderators 👀

royal ridge Nov 13, 2017, 7:33 AM

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@buoyant wasp

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I got you

dapper folio Nov 13, 2017, 7:33 AM

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👏

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 7:33 AM

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why you ignoring my pun doe @royal ridge

royal ridge Nov 13, 2017, 7:34 AM

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we are making a new role

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:34 AM

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ooh

royal ridge Nov 13, 2017, 7:34 AM

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mod makers and modding mods

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intenseface

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:34 AM

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ty

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 7:34 AM

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just put mod mods as admins

royal ridge Nov 13, 2017, 7:34 AM

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No problem 😄

rain cedar Nov 13, 2017, 7:34 AM

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But all the big mod makers already have the modder role

royal ridge Nov 13, 2017, 7:35 AM

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Quick question though, who is Kgcghost and what did he make?

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Because he has been stripped of the Modder role

rain cedar Nov 13, 2017, 7:35 AM

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He made the fsm mod and some other stuff I care way less about

royal ridge Nov 13, 2017, 7:35 AM

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Yeah I see Wyza in here every day he deserves it more

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Just use your newly found power for good not evil and we're all good zote

dapper folio Nov 13, 2017, 7:36 AM

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I encourage abusing your powers for self gain

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 7:37 AM

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purge the entirety of the mods channel hollowface

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:37 AM

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lol

rain cedar Nov 13, 2017, 7:37 AM

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That would take like a year

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 7:37 AM

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just write a bot to do it

dapper folio Nov 13, 2017, 7:37 AM

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._ clear

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 7:37 AM

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we're all programmers here hollowface

dapper folio Nov 13, 2017, 7:37 AM

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not I

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:37 AM

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I've read/played/watched more than enough to know that abusing your powers for slef gain never ends well

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and yeah the discord API is pretty easy

dapper folio Nov 13, 2017, 7:37 AM

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I know enough to understand that I know nothing

thorn comet Nov 13, 2017, 7:38 AM

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^ the true realisation of self intelligence

royal ridge Nov 13, 2017, 7:38 AM

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I used to be able to cheat in blocks on minecraft with a command, am I a programmer? intenseface

dapper folio Nov 13, 2017, 7:38 AM

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I know enough to convey what's needed to programmers and to understand what they're doing or if they're having problems. in a vague sense

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:39 AM

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oh yeah, forgot to add that to my list KDT, doing to CG2 still teleports you to the start of the game and soft locks you 😉

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 7:39 AM

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what do you want me to do hollowface

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thats TC's fault

royal ridge Nov 13, 2017, 7:39 AM

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But seriously I love the work that comes out of this channel keep on doing it 😄

rain cedar Nov 13, 2017, 7:39 AM

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Just don't die you fuckin nerd

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:39 AM

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git gud

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right

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my only thought is that if you somehow make it back to king's pass, it calls the teleport funciton to wherever you were going last

rain cedar Nov 13, 2017, 7:41 AM

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Yeah, storing the last boss should be pretty simple

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 7:42 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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there you go I fixed it

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 7:42 AM

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thank you

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well the good news is adding this made the preformance problems go away

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public void Update()
{
    if (GameManager.instance.gameState == GameState.PLAYING)
    {
          return;
    }

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the bad news is that doing this somehow broke the mod back to where after you save/exit, it doesn't show the buttons anymore

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 9:00 AM

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📎 MoreSaves.dll

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 11:04 AM

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fucking nice

📎 unknown.png

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 11:05 AM

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they are 😠

royal ridge Nov 13, 2017, 11:15 AM

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ANGERY MOD

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 11:22 AM

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holy shit how did i do nkg first try

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saved radiance for last

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cause

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yknow

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final boss

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 11:23 AM

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you can't do radiance before killing everything else

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 11:23 AM

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oooh

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that's why i couldn't select it

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i accidentally selected it

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but nothing happened

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radiance beaten

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i think i took more damage at radiance

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than at nkg

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my time was like

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55:14

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 11:28 AM

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depends on what you got, if thats a good time

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 11:29 AM

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i got a lotta good stuff

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the boss i died at was the collector

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 11:29 AM

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I think a good time is closer to <30m

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 11:34 AM

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does fragile heart break forever when you die

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 11:35 AM

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its unbreakable

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 11:35 AM

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so basically 2 free hp

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 11:35 AM

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its still not worth it

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but yes

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 11:40 AM

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woah i never knew quick heal made shape of unn you move sooper fast

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 12:15 PM

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tfw you accidentally do dream zote zero dmg

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um

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i've been softlocked

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the items at thk never dropped

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and the skip button doesn't work

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 12:18 PM

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the skip button only works if the items drop

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 12:18 PM

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gg

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i had an ok time too

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better than last time

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i hadn't died once either goddamnit

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 1:02 PM

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alright

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new time

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34:02

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i never realised how powerful flukenest is

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 2:11 PM

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i keep forgetting if i beat a boss without taking damage i can take 2 items

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and i keep thinking it's a glitch

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 2:49 PM

#

so
funny story
i'm trying to record me doing new and improved boss rush on steel soul mode
i fail so many times
and i'm physically hurting
so i decide to try it on not steel soul mode
and then it softlocks on me after grimm
and now i'm here
wanting something to die by my hands

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 2:51 PM

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yeah theres like a 50% chance grimm drops nothing

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 2:51 PM

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wh y

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 2:51 PM

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THK randomly doesn't drop anything either

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 2:52 PM

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that's not supposed to happen right

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or are you just some evil dingus

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 2:53 PM

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its some bug

late sphinx Nov 13, 2017, 2:54 PM

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hah

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bug

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 4:44 PM

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most of my bossrush runs are between 25 and 35 minutes. but i've had some where the first 9 bosses dropped garbage and it was nail0 or nail1 with no spells. those are dog slow

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 5:05 PM

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nail builds are actually viable in boss rush due to having all the charms available. nail4+fury+fstrength+gluberfly+quickslash+mop+longnail is really strong

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 5:34 PM

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well it helps fury works at 100% hp

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 5:51 PM

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yup

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well, rather, fury works until you get hit

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minor, but important distinction

leaden hedge Nov 13, 2017, 5:52 PM

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I might even nerf it so it only works the first time intenseface

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 6:09 PM

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that would make it worthless

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for all but the best of the best players

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basically fireborn, trinomi, a few others. for everyone else, it'll be a useless charm because you're gonna get hit at least once at some point

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 7:08 PM

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I'm having a hard time understanding the rando requirements for getting to King's Station. I can infer from a few different sources that it's something like just Mantis Claw or Monarch Wings, but I don't understand that route. See here: https://github.com/MyEyes/RandomizerMod/blob/f793b917a07da7ebd8a45ea6f8747c159306224e/Randomizer/randomizer.xml#L542

GitHub

MyEyes/RandomizerMod

RandomizerMod - This is a mod for Hollow Knight that randomizes Charms and Abilities.

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knowing how to get to King's Station isn't required for the rando logic per se, but it would be a good reference to branch out to several other locations.

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specifically, i'm trying to verify that those abyss shriek requirements are correct and come up with requirements for dash slash.

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 7:17 PM

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claw, or wings, or dive

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 7:18 PM

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shade skip to blue lake means King's Station is free in Hard Classic. In Hard Steel Soul, you can't do shade skip. so claw + CH can get you to blue lake. how about through the city crest entrance? that's going through the baldur's gate into greenpath or clawing around cliffs or dash/wings into fungal directly to get to the city crest gate room. then either CH or (claw+(dash or wings)) to get through that room. then you'd need to navigate sewers, which i think requires claw or wings, but i don't even know if you could get into CoT from the dung room without claw.

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 7:18 PM

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"technically" you can do it too with just VS or wraiths, but nobody wants to put that in the logic

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can also get there with the tram

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options are blue lake, tram, or sewers

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sewers requires claw or wings

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same for tram

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 7:20 PM

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you can get to tram pass without claw?

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 7:20 PM

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if you have wings, yes

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need a shade skip

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so won't work in steel soul

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 7:21 PM

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i've never seen deepnest without claw. when i try to do it, i get stuck right before the drop into the hotspring.

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is that where you shade skip?

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 7:21 PM

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you do it in cornifer's room there

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right below where he is

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 7:22 PM

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the lower cornifer room near mantis lords?

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not the cornifer near moss prophet

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 7:22 PM

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yeah. the one to the right of moss prophet

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like.... over 2 rooms, and up 1 room

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 7:23 PM

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oh, so you don't go to hotspring at all

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 7:23 PM

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you do

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no

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you go past spore shroom

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not into hotspring

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wait.... that drops you into hotspring

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you don't go into fungal core

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 7:27 PM

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fungal core just takes you to the same place as mantis lords

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 7:27 PM

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yeah. which isn't useful

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https://clips.twitch.tv/AltruisticCuriousSandpiperTebowing

Twitch

Mickely_3 Playing Hollow Knight - Twitch Clips

Fungal Shade Skip - Clipped by Mickely_3

▶ Play video

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that's the shade skip

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 7:33 PM

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oh way back there.

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ok, then you use background object at the part i was stuck on before.

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and i think the route from mantis lords absolutely requires claw. there's a tall vertical shaft i don't think you can get up with a shade skip. (unless maybe you had a lot of hp)

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 7:43 PM

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it does require claw

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 9:14 PM

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Hey, who is in charge of the mod folder?

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 9:16 PM

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dargons

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but he gave editing permissions to quite a few modders

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 9:29 PM

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better question, why do you ask?

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 9:29 PM

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good news - Bonfire Mod API ver is -almost- release ready

rustic fossil Nov 13, 2017, 9:37 PM

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I have a mod now

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So I wanted to see about adding it

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 9:40 PM

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yeah, talk with sean or some dragons. they can help you there i think.

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 9:41 PM

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"some dragons"

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 9:46 PM

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He's not wrong

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You get a bunch of dragons on your side and I'm not getting in your way no matter where you want to add your mods

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 9:58 PM

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anathema: does your mod synergize with Sprintmaster?

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 9:58 PM

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also I should steal his mod and make it into a charm

#

On a totally unrelated note, anyone remember the Panic Necklace in Terraria, that sped you up after being injured?

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 10:02 PM

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hi there, sorry to bother but i would like to ask where could i get the bossrush mod

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 10:02 PM

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pins

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 10:02 PM

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ty

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 10:04 PM

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@rustic fossil why not make it so that damage also scales with inverse health?

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:05 PM

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why not soul gain too while we're at it?

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 10:05 PM

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sure

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:05 PM

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and leg eater discount hollowlenny

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 10:05 PM

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high risk, high rewards mod

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or,even better

#

NO PAIN NO GAIN mod

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 10:06 PM

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0 nail damage at full health

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:06 PM

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where your move speed is 0 at full health. the first wall in king's pass starts open so that the crawlid hits you to get you started.

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 10:06 PM

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I actually really like that idea

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 10:06 PM

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-1 nail damage at full health

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 10:06 PM

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Frenzied that would be such a cool way to introduce the mod

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 10:07 PM

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radiance hitless intenseface

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increase her HP by one until it overflows

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ez win

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 10:08 PM

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only sucky part is that if you have full health you could easily softlock

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forever

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:08 PM

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does -1 damage actually heal the enemy, or does it do nothing or something?

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 10:08 PM

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is nail damage even a signed int

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:09 PM

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idt teamcherry knows what an unsigned int is. hollowface

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 10:09 PM

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Aren't all ints signed? (in HK)\

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Yeah that

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:09 PM

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in Java they are. FUNgineer

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and in assembly, operations are signed or unsigned, not data.

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 10:10 PM

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damage has to be at least 1 to be able to interact with things

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chests, levers and stuff

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unless you mess with FSM

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:11 PM

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i recently turned on save_fsm, and hollowwoke there are a lot of fsms. hundreds/thousands.

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 10:11 PM

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There's actually infinite FSMs. Every week Team Cherry digs through them and finds the best ones to add for the new content packs.

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:15 PM

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i'm debugging why nailmaster mato persists in giving me cyclone slash even though rando is hijacking hasCyclone and updating hasNailArt appropriately. i'm going to need to debug the fsm for npc nm mato next. sheo

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 10:16 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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hmm

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:17 PM

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what dat

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 10:17 PM

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probably the fake panic necklace

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 10:17 PM

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WIP Panic Compass

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:17 PM

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are you adding a charm, or repurposing one?

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 10:17 PM

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can't really add charms

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 10:17 PM

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Removing default compass

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:18 PM

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can you make a charm cost 0 notches? does that work with the equipment screen and everything?

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 10:18 PM

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I think so

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:20 PM

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is there an API hook that just runs every frame of physics?

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 10:21 PM

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i don't think so

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:21 PM

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or maybe there's a unity hook for that?

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 10:21 PM

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you'd have to be pretty careful with that, if it exists

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cause "every frame of physics" is alot

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:22 PM

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yeah, i'd just do something simple like if (equippedCharm_1 && state == AIRBORN) pd.hardFallTimer = 0; or something simple.

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not gunna like load an xml off of disc or something.

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 10:23 PM

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won't every hero frame work?

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:23 PM

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what does that mean?

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 10:23 PM

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HeroController.Update()

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 10:23 PM

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i wonder if you could use the collision hook to do what you want

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i don't know enough about how collision works

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 10:24 PM

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Final art for Panic Compass, opinions?

📎 unknown.png

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 10:24 PM

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runs every frame the hero is on screen, basically

#

nice

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 10:24 PM

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but it seems like there should be a better way to check every physics frame and instead hook on the event that checks whether or not to have fall stagger

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 10:24 PM

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Final art for Panic Compass, opinions?

📎 hqdefault.png

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 10:25 PM

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You don't get it Verulean

#

I'm only pretending to copy Terraria's Panic Necklace so people ignore the fact that I'm stealing the other guy's entire mod

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:26 PM

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it's not stealing if you reimplement it from scratch. zote copyright law makes so much sense!

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 10:27 PM

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and this is why everything i do is under MIT 😛

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 10:27 PM

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And this is why I am numbers and not a person

#

Numbers can't be held accountable for theft

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:27 PM

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KayDeeTee is letters

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 10:27 PM

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isn't every name letters if you think about it

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 10:27 PM

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Not yours obviously

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:27 PM

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Prince

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and the artist formerly known as Ke$ha. etc.

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 10:29 PM

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isn't every name UTF-8 if you think about it

buoyant obsidian Nov 13, 2017, 10:30 PM

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No

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 10:50 PM

#

can someone help me im having trouble loading mods through the launcher, when i opened the launcher i selected the assembly-csharp.dll but idk what to rly do next(dont know if this should be asked in help or in modding)

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 10:50 PM

#

launcher?

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 10:50 PM

#

mod installer*

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:51 PM

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i've never used the mod installer. is it up to date?

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 10:51 PM

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no

#

your best bet is to load mods manually

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 10:52 PM

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don't use it

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 10:52 PM

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you'll have a much better time

solemn rivet Nov 13, 2017, 10:53 PM

#

mods are really easy to install

#

just drag 'n drop

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 10:53 PM

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pop lock n drop it

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 10:54 PM

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so i just drag the extracted folder i get hollow knight data into the game's folder?

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 10:55 PM

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yup

#

it'll put all the files where they need to go

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 10:55 PM

#

also, check if the mod you're using says [API] (or "Requires Modding API")

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 10:55 PM

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^^

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 10:55 PM

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huh, well thanks i guess, idk why i went through all that trouble with the mod installer

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 10:55 PM

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if it does, there is a second download you need to grab from the drive

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 10:55 PM

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aight

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 10:56 PM

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i'd just install the modding API anyways

#

doesn't hurt

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:56 PM

#

the most confusing things about installing mods are: google drive's download button is kinda hard to find. the zip files need to be extracted into a particular folder so that the directory structure merges properly. most mods have a README.txt at the top level that you might not want to install, because it'll collide with all the other mods. the modding api zip has desktop.ini files.

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so overall, pretty easy.

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 10:56 PM

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i downloaded the 590mb pack and it has Seanpr, Firzen, _ Wyza - Modding API folder

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 10:57 PM

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590mb is.....not right? lemme go look

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:57 PM

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you may have downloaded the entire shared directory of mods.

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 10:57 PM

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yeah that

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 10:58 PM

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lol, yeah, that's uhm, overkill

#

📎 image.png

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 10:58 PM

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sorry if im causing trouble by my stupidity cuz i cant figure out what to do at times

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 10:58 PM

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i think tonight i'm just gonna do the video i've been threatening to do

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 10:58 PM

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i dare you

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:59 PM

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@ivory rapids installing mods could be easier. i empathize with you.

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 10:59 PM

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cause it's fairly trivial to do mods once you've done them and understand what to do

#

but that first step of getting it can be, confusing

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 10:59 PM

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in my opinion getting to the goolge drive link is the hardest part. requires making a discord account.

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 11:00 PM

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yes well, if we could host the mods publicly, we would

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 11:00 PM

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there is no 1.2.1.1 api file,(dont kill me im using a pirated version i cant afford to buy it atm 😢 )

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 11:00 PM

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ez solution buy the game

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 11:00 PM

#

......

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 11:01 PM

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yeah, sorry, we can't really help you there

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 11:01 PM

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mods are sensitive to particular versions of the game. the best experience will be if you're on the latest version, as long as it's been out for at least a few days.

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 11:01 PM

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there is no 1.2.1.1 version of the modding API, and there never will be

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not the least of which is because that HK release was pulled from the store because it was buggy

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 11:02 PM

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o well, gonna have to wait till i buy it i guess

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might get it this black friday steam sale

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 11:02 PM

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it's quite a bargain. way underpriced, imo.

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 11:02 PM

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yeah but even that underprice

#

is overpriced for me

#

sadly

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 11:03 PM

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yeah imo $10 for 200 hours of content is overpriced

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why did i even buy this game

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 11:03 PM

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no i mean

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 11:03 PM

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amusing at best. I remember back in the day when all games were priced at the same and were about 65-70$ in current US dollars

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 11:03 PM

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in a way its a lot of money for me, i agree that the game should be worth more

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i just cant come by money easily cuz im just a kid in highschool

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 11:04 PM

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i say this having done this myself when i was a teenager. go mow your neighbors lawn 😉

young walrus Nov 13, 2017, 11:04 PM

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literally once

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 11:04 PM

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^

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 11:04 PM

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@ivory rapids no worries. i do recommend buying this game though, because it is fantastic, and Team Cherry teamcherry needs/deserves lots of money. hollowknice

buoyant wasp Nov 13, 2017, 11:05 PM

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not that i'm bashing you, just saying you won't find a super warm reception to piracy here regardless of the reason.

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 11:05 PM

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doesnt rly work like that, yeah i know ive been wanting to buy this since release but i held onto pirated versions for some reason idk

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regardless thanks for ur help sry for bothering, ill just buy the game when i can

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and ill fully enjoy it

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 11:05 PM

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@ivory rapids come back when you do. i'm sure someone here will help you get started with mods hollowknice

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 11:06 PM

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was interested in mods especially the boss rush cuz one of the better parts of hollow knights are the boss fights and after u defeat one boss u cant realy do it again on the same save file

broken fable Nov 13, 2017, 11:07 PM

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@ivory rapids did you do the white defender and grey prince repeat fights? you can do those multiple times.

ivory rapids Nov 13, 2017, 11:09 PM

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yeah but they arent as enjoyable as many other fights tho they are a challenge

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again sorry to bother, i appreciate the help, have a wonderful evening

hazy sentinel Nov 13, 2017, 11:10 PM

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understandable have a nice day

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:02 AM

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http://www.moddb.com/mods/hollow-knight-lightbringer

Mod DB

Hollow Knight: Lightbringer mod

Hollow Knight: Lightbringer lets you experience Hollow Knight like never before, replacing your melee attacks with a ranged lance of light.

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Panic Compass added, testing would be appreciated.

solemn rivet Nov 14, 2017, 12:04 AM

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what kind of functionality does it add?

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all of those we mentioned earlier?

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:05 AM

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float panicSpeed = 1f;
        if (this.playerData.equippedCharm_2)
        {
            panicSpeed -= .1f;
            int missingHealth = this.playerData.maxHealth - this.playerData.health;
            panicSpeed += (float) missingHealth * .05f;
        }

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There's everything

swift cairn Nov 14, 2017, 12:05 AM

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is the new update compatible with drm-free versions?

solemn rivet Nov 14, 2017, 12:05 AM

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what about damage scaling?

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:05 AM

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None of that for now

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also I'll see if I can get a DRM free version, give my 5 minutes for testing

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📎 Assembly-CSharp.zip

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Could somebody on DRM-free test this for me?

swift cairn Nov 14, 2017, 12:09 AM

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k

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:09 AM

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I doubt it'll work

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If it's working your main attack with be ranged

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:10 AM

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is this working

📎 ok.png

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:10 AM

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There's no way to tell from the menu necessarily

swift cairn Nov 14, 2017, 12:11 AM

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not loading saves

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:11 AM

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well the soul meter is on screen at start

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so that's a good sign

swift cairn Nov 14, 2017, 12:11 AM

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just creates black screen

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:11 AM

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yeah it works

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with a new save at least

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:11 AM

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📎 unknown.png

swift cairn Nov 14, 2017, 12:11 AM

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I didn't make a new save

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:11 AM

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idk about existing saves

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:11 AM

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try again on a backed up existing?

swift cairn Nov 14, 2017, 12:11 AM

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existing saves don't work

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:11 AM

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me?

trim nimbus Nov 14, 2017, 12:11 AM

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hey

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:12 AM

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yeah if possible

trim nimbus Nov 14, 2017, 12:12 AM

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I have a slight issue installing bonfire mod

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do I just copy the entire thing?

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even tho the folder directories don't seem to add up?

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:12 AM

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works for me

solemn rivet Nov 14, 2017, 12:12 AM

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what

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:12 AM

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loaded

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solemn rivet Nov 14, 2017, 12:12 AM

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version of the base game are you runnning?

swift cairn Nov 14, 2017, 12:12 AM

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ok so it's not working on new saves either for me

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:12 AM

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@swift cairn are you on 1.2.2.1? GoG?

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Humble?

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Humble might work and GoG might not

swift cairn Nov 14, 2017, 12:12 AM

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oh there's 1.2.2.1 now?

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:12 AM

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don't have the retextures tho

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swift cairn Nov 14, 2017, 12:13 AM

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dam I gotta update

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:13 AM

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Yeah I'll package the retextures

solemn rivet Nov 14, 2017, 12:13 AM

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@trim nimbus what game version?

trim nimbus Nov 14, 2017, 12:16 AM

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nevermind

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I'm dumb and I downloaded the wrong mod version

solemn rivet Nov 14, 2017, 12:17 AM

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there's not 1.2.2.1 version yet tho

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I'm currently working with Wyza on it

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it currently runs, but doesn't save

trim nimbus Nov 14, 2017, 12:18 AM

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I mean

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I downpatched to 1.2.1.4

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but installed 1.1.1.8

solemn rivet Nov 14, 2017, 12:18 AM

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oh, ok

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:18 AM

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Somebody buy me Discord Nitro so I can upload this here ;)

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http://www.moddb.com/mods/hollow-knight-lightbringer

Mod DB

Hollow Knight: Lightbringer mod

Hollow Knight: Lightbringer lets you experience Hollow Knight like never before, replacing your melee attacks with a ranged lance of light.

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Lightbringer should work with DRM-free copies now, could someone confirm?

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:27 AM

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what is grubberfly's elegy supposed to be

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because it pushes me back when i equip it

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:27 AM

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Makes them bigger

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and increases damage

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did you install the full package? It should include charm descriptions

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:27 AM

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each swing knocks the character back

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no just the assembly

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:27 AM

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oh, try out the one on moddb

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you'll get everything

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and it'll show if it truly works or not

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:29 AM

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mmk

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woah you have the same controller as me

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k looks like it works

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buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:31 AM

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Nope, that's just the default I think

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Ayy thanks fam

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:32 AM

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immersion ruined

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immersion ruined further

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buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:33 AM

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NOOOOO

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:33 AM

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holy shit how broken is this mod

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:34 AM

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Fun broken

void wing Nov 14, 2017, 12:34 AM

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It's pretty good

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:34 AM

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endgame is just like

void wing Nov 14, 2017, 12:34 AM

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Bloodlust charm is ine i'd prefer

rustic fossil Nov 14, 2017, 12:34 AM

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@solemn rivet My idea for the mod was that masks would have weight. I'm not trying to make it impossible if you get hit, just adding an interesting dynamic

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:34 AM

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vanilla but nail hitbox is 20x bigger

void wing Nov 14, 2017, 12:34 AM

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one

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:35 AM

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To an extent that's true yeah

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but it doesn't play that way

solemn rivet Nov 14, 2017, 12:35 AM

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wait, why did I get tagged? Did I say something?

rustic fossil Nov 14, 2017, 12:36 AM

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Yeah, about 2 and a half hours ago

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I didn't get to it until now

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You mentioned having damage also scale with the inverse of health

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:36 AM

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wow

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make it a new charm

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call it

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fury of the fallen

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genius i know

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i don't know where i get these ideas

solemn rivet Nov 14, 2017, 12:37 AM

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ah, yeah

void wing Nov 14, 2017, 12:37 AM

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True creativity at its finest

solemn rivet Nov 14, 2017, 12:37 AM

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no, not impossible

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I meant it like FotF

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the less health you have, the more damage you deal

rustic fossil Nov 14, 2017, 12:37 AM

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Ah, I see

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I could try that

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:37 AM

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the more health you have the less health you have

rustic fossil Nov 14, 2017, 12:37 AM

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Lol

void wing Nov 14, 2017, 12:38 AM

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there we go

solemn rivet Nov 14, 2017, 12:53 AM

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another patch

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ffs

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:54 AM

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kill me

rain cedar Nov 14, 2017, 12:55 AM

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Fixed issue where some enemies and bosses could break when being killed by extra sources of damage eg. Dreamshield, Flukenest

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Finally

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:56 AM

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when will TC fix the issue where dreamshield costs 2 too many charm notches

buoyant wasp Nov 14, 2017, 12:56 AM

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patch notes?

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:57 AM

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wait don't tell me this patch is live already

rain cedar Nov 14, 2017, 12:57 AM

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http://steamcommunity.com/app/367520/discussions/0/1486613649674122368/

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Public beta

hazy sentinel Nov 14, 2017, 12:57 AM

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it's beta

buoyant obsidian Nov 14, 2017, 12:57 AM

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oh thank god

buoyant wasp Nov 14, 2017, 12:57 AM

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wunderbar

rustic fossil Nov 14, 2017, 1:14 AM

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Are maps created by hand or by the game?

rain cedar Nov 14, 2017, 1:15 AM

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The in game maps don't actually match the game world exactly

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They can't because stuff overlaps

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So I'd assume hand made

rustic fossil Nov 14, 2017, 1:17 AM

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Wait, which parts overlap?

rain cedar Nov 14, 2017, 1:18 AM

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I dunno, just stuff everywhere doesn't match up

buoyant wasp Nov 14, 2017, 1:18 AM

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the map doesn't match the world exactly

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there is some paradox stuff in some places

rain cedar Nov 14, 2017, 1:19 AM

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https://rainingchain.com/hollowknight/map
You can see here that the map is disjointed and there's lines drawn between loads that don't make sense

rustic fossil Nov 14, 2017, 1:20 AM

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Interesting

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No White Palace there either

rain cedar Nov 14, 2017, 1:20 AM

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It's just not worth the effort to make a game world that maps perfectly to a single scene when it's done as individual rooms like this

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Yeah, none of the indoor places are on this map

buoyant wasp Nov 14, 2017, 1:26 AM

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@rain cedar - So came across an interesting bug while helping gradow with bonfire api port. He uses Gui to display this leveling stuff. However it has the odd effect of anchoring the mod version info that we have in the API to the center of the screen when paused. I'm guessing that both the API and bonfire are using the same overlay. So question is, do you know how to segregate the api's overlay into its own so that mods won't step on it?

rain cedar Nov 14, 2017, 1:27 AM

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It should already be different

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Pretty sure I'm setting my own matrix to make sure it works

buoyant wasp Nov 14, 2017, 1:28 AM

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https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/blob/master/Assembly-CSharp/ModVersionDraw.cs

broken fable Nov 14, 2017, 1:28 AM

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@anathema#2880 i looked into modding the in-game maps, and it's kind of a mess. tons of hardcoded stuff. it will require lots of modding api effort to be able to mod that properly.

buoyant wasp Nov 14, 2017, 1:28 AM

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so that's the current code

rain cedar Nov 14, 2017, 1:28 AM

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Yeah

buoyant wasp Nov 14, 2017, 1:28 AM

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here's what happens

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rain cedar Nov 14, 2017, 1:28 AM

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Setting all my own GUI stuff before the label

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That doesn't make any sense to me

buoyant wasp Nov 14, 2017, 1:28 AM

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it changes the font, size, and moves it to the center...for...reasons?

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unless

rain cedar Nov 14, 2017, 1:29 AM

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Oh I see

buoyant wasp Nov 14, 2017, 1:29 AM

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here's the code from bonfire: https://github.com/Ayugradow/BonfireMod/blob/master/BonfireMod/LevellingSystem.cs#L35

rain cedar Nov 14, 2017, 1:29 AM

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Yeah I need to be setting my own font stuff too I guess

buoyant wasp Nov 14, 2017, 1:29 AM

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yeah, but even font wise, i don't get why it'd change the anchoring point for the display

rain cedar Nov 14, 2017, 1:30 AM

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GUI.Label(new Rect(0f, 0f, 1920f, 1080f), drawString);

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I just set it to render the text on the entire screen to be sure it didn't cut off