#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 32

leaden hedge Nov 9, 2017, 9:51 PM

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so thats easy

solemn rivet Nov 9, 2017, 9:52 PM

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^

leaden hedge Nov 9, 2017, 9:52 PM

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menu graphics just draw it normally

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I believe you could hook CharmIconList.GetSprite(int id)

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and return your own sprite for charms

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as for elegy what are you doing?

rain cedar Nov 9, 2017, 9:55 PM

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It's lightbringer

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All that mod does is make you shoot reskinned elegy beams

leaden hedge Nov 9, 2017, 9:55 PM

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I know it changes to a spearish shape

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pretty sure the fireballs and stuff are the actual fireball object

buoyant obsidian Nov 9, 2017, 9:57 PM

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Elegy's spritesheet is replaced with the lance, that's about all that's happening. The rest is just resizing / adjusting Elegy prefabs

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The audioclip for it is changed slightly too

leaden hedge Nov 9, 2017, 10:03 PM

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but you can probably do something like

  tk2dSprite tk2dsprite = elegy.GetComponent<tk2dSprite>();
  Texture2D tex = new Texture2D(1,1);
  tex.LoadImage(imageData);
  tk2dsprite.Collection.textures[0] = tex;

solemn rivet Nov 9, 2017, 10:20 PM

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I need help making the crit work as intended

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the crit effect, that is

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if (this.slashAngle == 0f)
        {
            if (layer == PhysLayers.ENEMIES && (otherCollider.gameObject.GetComponent<NonBouncer>() == null || !otherCollider.gameObject.GetComponent<NonBouncer>().active))
            {
                if (otherCollider.gameObject.GetComponent<BounceShroom>() != null)
                {
                    this.heroCtrl.RecoilLeftLong();
                    FSMUtility.LocateFSM(otherCollider.gameObject, "Bounce Shroom").SendEvent("BOUNCE");
                }
                else
                {
                    this.heroCtrl.RecoilLeft();
                    if (this.heroCtrl.crit)
                    {
                        this.heroCtrl.shadowRingPrefab.transform.SetScaleX(0.5f);
                        this.heroCtrl.shadowRingPrefab.transform.SetScaleY(0.5f);
                        UnityEngine.Object.Instantiate(this.heroCtrl.shadowRingPrefab, otherCollider.gameObject.transform.position, base.transform.rotation);
                    }
                }
            }
        }```

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That's inside NailSlash.OnTriggerEnter2D(collider)

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there are four of these, one for each slash direction

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what I did was add csharp ModHooks.Instance.OnSlashHit(otherCollider, base.gameObject);

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at the start of the method

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and subscribedcsharp public void CritHit(Collider2D otherCollider, GameObject go) { if (crit) { hc.shadowRingPrefab.transform.SetScaleX(0.5f); hc.shadowRingPrefab.transform.SetScaleY(0.5f); UnityEngine.Object.Instantiate(hc.shadowRingPrefab, otherCollider.gameObject.transform.position, go.transform.rotation); } }to it

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and although that DOES reference the hit enemy, it also references the nail and the hero

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Exhibit A: https://puu.sh/yiqvO/55b91fbaa9.gif

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I think I got an idea

buoyant wasp Nov 9, 2017, 10:30 PM

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how and when are you doing the subscription?

solemn rivet Nov 9, 2017, 10:32 PM

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if (otherCollider != null)
{
    ModHooks.Instance.OnSlashHit(otherCollider, base.gameObject);
    if (this.slashAngle == 0f)
    {...}
}```

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I think I got it

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I put it before the layer check

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so it's firing for every collider

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public void CritHit(Collider2D otherCollider, GameObject go)
{
    if (crit && otherCollider.gameObject.layer == 11)
    {
        hc.shadowRingPrefab.transform.SetScaleX(0.5f);
        hc.shadowRingPrefab.transform.SetScaleY(0.5f);
        UnityEngine.Object.Instantiate(hc.shadowRingPrefab, otherCollider.gameObject.transform.position, go.transform.rotation);
    }
}```now it shouldn't

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and it did work

buoyant wasp Nov 9, 2017, 10:37 PM

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interesting: https://discordapp.com/developers/docs/rich-presence/how-to

Discord

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Integrate your service with Discord - whether it's a bot or a game or your whatever you wildest imagination can come up with.

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:15 AM

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okay, if shield works, Bonfire mod is officially on the brink of release

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 12:17 AM

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you figure out saving?

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:17 AM

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that's why it's "on the brink" and not "released"

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 12:18 AM

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bossrush is on the brink too hollowface

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:18 AM

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oh, I'm stupid

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:18 AM

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Lightbringer is on the brink of updated

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:18 AM

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forgot to replace the assembly with the updated hooks

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 12:19 AM

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everything is on the brink

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wish the automated injection of the modding hooks into the assembly was on the brink

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pretty sure what I know what i'll have to do now, but it suckkkkkkssss

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 12:20 AM

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I only need to test GPZ / WD / THK

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 12:20 AM

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https://github.com/0xd4d/dnSpy/issues/605

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turns out, the scripting API for dnspy doesn't let you have access to the editor to change the decompiled code programatically

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:28 AM

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woohoo!

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now all that's left is to make the save system work

📎 APIBonfire_Mod_v0.0.5.zip

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and that's using the new API

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:34 AM

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http://www.moddb.com/mods/hollow-knight-lightbringer/downloads

Mod DB

Downloads - Hollow Knight: Lightbringer mod for Hollow Knight

Browse Hollow Knight: Lightbringer mod for Hollow Knight files to download full releases, installer, sdk, patches, mods, demos, and media.

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Lightbringer has been updated, I'd appreciate if somebody could test it out before I spread the news

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:35 AM

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sure!

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what exactly do you want to test?

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:35 AM

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Just if it loads up / appears to work

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:35 AM

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easy enough

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:35 AM

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For some reason I've had a weird issue where my mods become linked to my PC and can only be used on my PC

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and crash for other people

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:35 AM

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eh

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I'd blame the other people tbh

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:36 AM

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It's a Steam issue I think

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:36 AM

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oh, btw

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thank you 753

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you were the one who first directed me to this channel

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:37 AM

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Of course, and thank you for being so dedicated to your work

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:37 AM

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and it was lightbringer that "inspired" me to make my own mods

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don't remind me of work

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I have a seminar to prepare for next week and here I am, working on vidyagam mods

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:37 AM

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Seminar? What for?

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:38 AM

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my phd program

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:38 AM

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Oh shit good luck

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:38 AM

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thanks

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I'll need it

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okay, I'll test it now

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btw 753, is that the actual font, or a similar one?

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:44 AM

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I just use Perpetua

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:44 AM

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oh

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:44 AM

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I found a hilarious bug already

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The game still plays when you pause

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welcome to Dark Souls

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:45 AM

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wut

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in lightbringer?

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:45 AM

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Yeah because of the way I coded timefracture

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:45 AM

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oh

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I'll just give myself every charm to check if they all work

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but so far no crashes

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:46 AM

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Perfect, thanks for the help

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:51 AM

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okay

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aside from time continuing on the pause menu, everything seemed to work fine

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also

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:51 AM

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Oh good I thought you were gonna say you crashed

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:51 AM

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is time fracture not meant to impact mana regen time?

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:52 AM

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It's supposed to help mana regen, did I screw up again?

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:52 AM

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beacause it made no difference

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at least, not that I could tell

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I can use a stopwatch

trim totem Nov 10, 2017, 12:52 AM

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what mods work on the latest version

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:52 AM

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all api mods

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:53 AM

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as well as Glass Soul and Lightbringer

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:53 AM

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and non-api bonfire

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api bonfire is ALMOST working

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oh

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nvm

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it's way faster

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:55 AM

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Yeah it is lol

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:56 AM

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without time fracture: 30.25s

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with time fracture: 8.73s

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that's "time to get 1/3 of the orb filled"

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:57 AM

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Oh fuck I knew it

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I accidentally made it double double

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Oh well let's pretend that's a feature, after all Time Fracture messes with the space-time continuum

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:58 AM

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heheh

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 12:58 AM

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How can I add lightbringer to my game? I want to try to fight Radiance with it.

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:59 AM

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Simply download it from here: http://www.moddb.com/mods/hollow-knight-lightbringer/downloads

Mod DB

Downloads - Hollow Knight: Lightbringer mod for Hollow Knight

Browse Hollow Knight: Lightbringer mod for Hollow Knight files to download full releases, installer, sdk, patches, mods, demos, and media.

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:59 AM

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there are install instructions in the zip

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 12:59 AM

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Then follow the installation instructions in the readme.txt file

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It's just moving a folder into another folder and hitting replace whenever it comes up

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:00 AM

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also, 753: I took a look at the output_log.txt to see if there were any exceptions or whatever, but there were none

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so yay

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 1:00 AM

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okay thanks

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:00 AM

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can anyone quickly test this
load the game kill false knight,
kill flukemarm
then try to load hollow knights room

📎 BossRush.dll

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I'm getting out of memory errors, want to just know if its me

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:00 AM

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just a sec

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:00 AM

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testing, one moment

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 1:01 AM

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omg i was trying to use this earlier but I'm stupid so I couldn't make it work

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:01 AM

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geez, it grew 670k 😛 graphics ftw

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 1:01 AM

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that or because I was trying to use an API file

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:03 AM

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forgot to disable bonfire

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reloading

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:04 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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if i jump the black goes up

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can't hit anything, but can move/attack

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:06 AM

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omg the damage

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:06 AM

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yes your damage is set to 65

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to test things

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:06 AM

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NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at BossRush.BossRush.onCollider (UnityEngine.GameObject go) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at Modding.ModHooks.OnColliderCreate (UnityEngine.GameObject go) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PlayMakerUnity2DProxy.Start () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:06 AM

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nah thats fine

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the error is I put -6 instead of +6

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📎 BossRush.dll

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you should spawn above ground now

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:07 AM

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k

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btw, the images and the titles are wrong

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hornet's image is flukemarms label

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:08 AM

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nah it works fine

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its just because you go straight from FK -> stage 2

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and the sprites get updated on load screens

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:08 AM

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so, it's cause we're cheating?

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😛

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:08 AM

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so it's fixed now?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:09 AM

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I dunno

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I still get out out of memory errors

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:09 AM

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btw, I hadn't realised up til now that HK follows you when you walk around the arena

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:09 AM

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I can't actually test the THK fight to see if it works

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:09 AM

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eh

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:09 AM

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DynamicHeapAllocator allocation probe 1 failed - Could not get memory for large allocation 536870912.
DynamicHeapAllocator allocation probe 2 failed - Could not get memory for large allocation 536870912.
DynamicHeapAllocator allocation probe 3 failed - Could not get memory for large allocation 536870912.
DynamicHeapAllocator allocation probe 4 failed - Could not get memory for large allocation 536870912.
DynamicHeapAllocator out of memory - Could not get memory for large allocation 536870912!
Could not allocate memory: System out of memory!
Trying to allocate: 536870912B with 16 alignment. MemoryLabel: GfxDevice
Allocation happend at: Line:62 in 
Memory overview

[ ALLOC_DEFAULT ] used: 602395460B | peak: 0B | reserved: 632149252B 
[ ALLOC_TEMP_JOB ] used: 0B | peak: 0B | reserved: 2097152B 
[ ALLOC_GFX ] used: 128226439B | peak: 0B | reserved: 137176663B 
[ ALLOC_CACHEOBJECTS ] used: 2064684B | peak: 0B | reserved: 12582912B 
[ ALLOC_TYPETREE ] used: 0B | peak: 0B | reserved: 0B 
[ ALLOC_PROFILER ] used: 0B | peak: 0B | reserved: 0B 
[ ALLOC_TEMP_THREAD ] used: 62941B | peak: 0B | reserved: 3801088B 
Could not allocate memory: System out of memory!
Trying to allocate: 536870912B with 16 alignment. MemoryLabel: GfxDevice
Allocation happend at: Line:62 in 
Memory overview

[ ALLOC_DEFAULT ] used: 602395460B | peak: 0B | reserved: 632149252B 
[ ALLOC_TEMP_JOB ] used: 0B | peak: 0B | reserved: 2097152B 
[ ALLOC_GFX ] used: 128226439B | peak: 0B | reserved: 137176663B 
[ ALLOC_CACHEOBJECTS ] used: 2064684B | peak: 0B | reserved: 12582912B 
[ ALLOC_TYPETREE ] used: 0B | peak: 0B | reserved: 0B 
[ ALLOC_PROFILER ] used: 0B | peak: 0B | reserved: 0B 
[ ALLOC_TEMP_THREAD ] used: 62941B | peak: 0B | reserved: 3801088B

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:09 AM

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I only get the exception Wyza already posted

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:09 AM

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check the fight

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does he drop items when you kill him

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:10 AM

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📎 unknown.png

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:10 AM

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ye its because you haven't hit a loading screen

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normally when you load into the 9 bosses arena

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:10 AM

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trying the new version you posted

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brb

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:10 AM

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it swaps it to the 2nd set

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and when you go to the 18th it swaps to the 3rd set

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:10 AM

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also, how did you manage to use the controller for that selection screen?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:10 AM

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~~magic~~

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:11 AM

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i can't kill him

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like

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he's lying on the ground

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:12 AM

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the focus shouldn't work

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it should instead drop items

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:12 AM

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negative ghostrider

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📎 unknown.png

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:12 AM

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and you got no drops?

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and I assume focus works normally

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:13 AM

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well

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i could focus to heal

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but once i used up my soul

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then nothing

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logs just has this

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NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at BossRush.BossRush.createLabel (UnityEngine.GameObject go, Int32 i) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at BossRush.BossRush.onCollider (UnityEngine.GameObject go) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at Modding.ModHooks.OnColliderCreate (UnityEngine.GameObject go) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PlayMakerUnity2DProxy.Start () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:13 AM

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            if (BossInfo.bossInfo[bossOrder[currentBoss]].VarName == "killedHollowKnight")
            {
                if (BossRush.gm.hero_ctrl.spellControl.FsmVariables.GetFsmBool("Dream Focus").Value == true)
                {
                    killedHK = true;
                    BossRush.gm.hero_ctrl.spellControl.FsmVariables.GetFsmBool("Dream Focus").Value = false;
                }
                return killedHK;
            }

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:14 AM

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you get no focus from hitting him

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:14 AM

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the NRE's are just from it trying to spawn shinys

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:15 AM

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yeah, i can't hit him, i can dream nail him, but get no soul

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:15 AM

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thats super fucking weird that it didn't spawn items

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:15 AM

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can't focus, and no drops

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want modlog?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:15 AM

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the code that disables the focus sets him to be dead

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nah i've got no logging for this

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:15 AM

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📎 output_log.txt

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:15 AM

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ded

📎 unknown.png

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:15 AM

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oh you got items

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:16 AM

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shape of unn boi

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:16 AM

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does the stage select work after picking them up?

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:16 AM

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📎 ModLog.txt

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also, you're logging...something

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:16 AM

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yup

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:16 AM

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try and click radiance

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:17 AM

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also, i can't pause

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or select

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:17 AM

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yeah this scene disables pause

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in vanilla

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:17 AM

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i'm literally just sitting here watching him spread the infection over the entirety of kingdom 😛

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:17 AM

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@solemn rivet kill bosses until you can click radiance, you should have to do all the others

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before you can do the radiance

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 1:17 AM

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and all you've worked for was pointless the end

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:18 AM

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i'll try again here in a sec

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need to feed the dogs

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 1:18 AM

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does lightbringer only work on a fresh file

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:19 AM

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📎 ModLog.txt

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if you wanna take a look

📎 output_log.txt

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oh, I quit

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:19 AM

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also, i love that you can triple stagger false knight

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and he only has to bang the ground once

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:19 AM

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my connection is almost literal shit

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:20 AM

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lol its fine

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:20 AM

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@leaden hedge will do that

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@buoyant wasp I found that on Lightbringer

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the damage up from glass soul was enough to stagger him before he could attack

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so I stunlocked him forever

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also

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will it break the damage if I pick up sharp nail?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:22 AM

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no

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:22 AM

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same thing, killed him, no drops, could regular focus, but can't dream focus

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:23 AM

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also, should I follow the same boss order?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:23 AM

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do whatever you want

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flukemarm is just the fastest boss

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:24 AM

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ok

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:24 AM

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in final stage kill them in whatever order you feel like

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:26 AM

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item again

📎 unknown.png

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also, no fight is giving me soul

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:26 AM

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you don't get soul from THK

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or from FK

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except the head which you one hit

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:26 AM

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what about fluke?

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this boss is evil

📎 unknown.png

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:27 AM

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you should get soul from fluke

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oh yeah I added angry eyebrows to the vanilla dream bosses

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because they don't have unique sprites

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:28 AM

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ST: HUD not showing

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:28 AM

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oh yeah HK disables it

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and disables pause

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I really can't debug this shit because my computer literally won't load THK's room

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:31 AM

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yay a new release again 😛

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load it up with logging and i'll be happy to run it through

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:31 AM

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this might fix it I dunno

📎 BossRush.dll

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:31 AM

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oh

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dying to ST fixed it

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:32 AM

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I put in a line of logging

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            if (BossInfo.bossInfo[bossOrder[currentBoss]].VarName == "killedHollowKnight")
            {
                if (BossRush.gm.hero_ctrl.spellControl.FsmVariables.GetFsmBool("Dream Focus").Value == true)
                {
                    killedHK = true;
                    BossRush.gm.hero_ctrl.spellControl.FsmVariables.GetFsmBool("Dream Focus").Value = false;
                    if (!BossRushUpdate.spawnedItems)
                        if (BossInfo.SpawnAll())
                            BossRushUpdate.spawnedItems = true;
                        else
                            Modding.ModHooks.ModLog("Couldn't spawn HK items");
                }
                return killedHK;
            }

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:33 AM

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not getting any soul btw

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from anything

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:33 AM

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are you running any other mods

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:35 AM

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none

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only bossrush

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:35 AM

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https://github.com/KayDeeTee/hk-bossrush heres the code if you want to look through it

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if you think a log at a certain place would help you debug i'll put it in hollowface

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:35 AM

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lemme take a look

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oh

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fuck

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I know what's wrong

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thanks

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this showed me one of my hooks is not working

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specifically, the SoulGain hook

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:38 AM

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no dice

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:41 AM

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return 0;```duh

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:41 AM

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instead of return value?

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😛

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:41 AM

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yeah

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return num;```

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such a difference...

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:44 AM

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nice

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:45 AM

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okay

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take 2

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working yay

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 1:49 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

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Testing out the old artist skills

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 1:50 AM

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there's no change in nailmaster skils in lightbringer

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 1:50 AM

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Yeah, that would be fairly complicated to implement.

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 1:51 AM

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I suppose

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:52 AM

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eh

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@leaden hedge screen went white after Failed Champion

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 1:52 AM

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yeah, i've had that happen

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:52 AM

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you're not locked

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:52 AM

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sq?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:52 AM

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you just can't see what you're picking up Kappa

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just pickup an item

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your still in control

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just can't see anything

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:53 AM

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heh

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well, no sound effects as well

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oh, found one

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and hiveblood is working after dying

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 1:54 AM

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it does

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:55 AM

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same thing after Lost Kid

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 1:58 AM

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Radiance: take one

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 2:00 AM

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Rising Light is pretty good against Radiance if you struggle

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 2:01 AM

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got to the platform fight.

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Yeah it was really good

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Maybe I shouldn't use it to add some challenge

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The glass soul description is a little scketchy. You need to be at a bench to equip charms, so you'll be at full health when you have it, but you die in one hit. So maybe you can say that "

📎 2017-11-09_2.png

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you can take out the damage being amplified based on current health

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:10 AM

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holy shit

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NKG without longnail and dash is hard

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had never fought him like this before

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btw, blackscreen

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 2:11 AM

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What boss is that in non-acronyms

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:13 AM

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Nightmare King Grimm

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@leaden hedge all bosses worked for me, aside from the black/white screens after dream bosses

rain cedar Nov 10, 2017, 2:13 AM

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It straight up says you'll die in a single blow

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I'm not sure how much more clear that description can be

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 2:14 AM

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im saying make it more concise

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:14 AM

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could you do radiance after killing all the other bosses?

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:14 AM

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I didn't get Mantis Claw/double jump, so I was doing all of them to try and get it

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 2:15 AM

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Is NKG even possible without dash?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:15 AM

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I mean could you start the fight

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:15 AM

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but I forgot that I also need dash/double jump for ST

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:15 AM

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and yes NKG is easy without dash

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:15 AM

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I didn't even try, because I knew I would need claw

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and got stuck on ST

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the hardest part surely wasn't the lack of dash

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getting used to longnail is what made it much harder

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and he surely is possible - I just beat him

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 2:17 AM

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I don't think a actually used longnail or mark of pride for that

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:17 AM

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my first time I used Longnail and Sprintmaster

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so I would punish whenever I could

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:18 AM

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well considering the strat for NGG doesn't use dash (the intended way), I'm going to say NKG can be done without it hollowface

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 2:18 AM

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IMO sprintmaster makes it a little harder

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because of the ground attack

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I don't think I could do it since I've used dashmaster most of my playtime of this game

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 2:20 AM

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@Zenex Glass Soul is worded like that so clever players take advantage of health charms / lifeblood to increase the bonus damage

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:20 AM

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I've still gotta learn NGG

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 2:20 AM

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Okay. thank you

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:20 AM

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when I have more time, I'll spend some of it with this fight

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:22 AM

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well I literally can not test THK or Radiance, so I guess I'll just release as is

📎 BossRush.dll

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:23 AM

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did you remember to reset naildamage and boss order?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:23 AM

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yeah

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:24 AM

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weird you're getting OOM errors

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:24 AM

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I get them, in black egg, final boss room, soul sanctum entrance, moss knight arena in greenpath

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 2:25 AM

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do you have debug mod running or just bossrush?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:25 AM

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just boss rush

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:25 AM

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maybe it's your version of the api?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:25 AM

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its the new logger version

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I literally updated it before compiling this version

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:25 AM

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I'm also using that one, but with my hooks

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 2:25 AM

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yeah, same one i'm running

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but i don't get OOM, i get nothing

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:26 AM

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it happens in vanilla

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:26 AM

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I get items

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oh

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:26 AM

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that I get OOM when I load certain rooms

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 2:26 AM

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weird

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:26 AM

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I have 5GB memory free

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 2:26 AM

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the only OOM i've ever had was debug mod in the howling cliffs

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:26 AM

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so dunno why its complaining

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:26 AM

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that is actually weird

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cause my pc is really not good

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and I have no memory issues with bossrush

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anyway, off I go

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oh, before I go

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wanna take a look at my logs, KDT?

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see if you find anything helpful?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:29 AM

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well it works for you

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:29 AM

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📎 ModLog.txt

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📎 output_log.txt

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lots of exceptions at the end

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modlog also reported some errors

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 2:35 AM

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@buoyant obsidian Bloodlust is good with Burning Pride. I should've used Quick Slash and Time Fracture as well.

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And for some odd reason my 106% completion turned to 107%. Maybe because of the charms but I don't really know. Just thought I'd mention it.

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:37 AM

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you get more hearts

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 2:39 AM

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Feature List -

Changes your character from melee to ranged
SOUL regenerates passively instead of from hitting enemies
Nail damage drastically decreased, ranged attacks deal normal damage
Adds several new charms that augment your ranged abilities and more
Increases the number of charm slots you start with by 1
Decreases your starting health by 1
Dream Bosses and Warrior Ghosts will respawn when sitting at a bench

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:40 AM

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yes but because your health is reduced by one

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your completion is hearts - 4 instead of hearts -5

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so you get an extra heart

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 2:46 AM

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I don't really understand whaat you're trying to say but it really feels like your right since charm notches apparently don't matter directly for %

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 2:47 AM

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ill make it really simple

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you start with 4 hearts

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so you can only normally get a total of 8

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but you have 9

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so you have an extra percent

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 2:48 AM

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it says it decreases starting health though

hazy sentinel Nov 10, 2017, 2:48 AM

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boi

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 2:48 AM

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soory

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sorry

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god damn it

hazy sentinel Nov 10, 2017, 2:48 AM

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the completion percentage added by the masks you get is total masks minus base masks

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you already finished the game and got 9 masks, but lightbringer's base HP is 4 instead of 5, so the game thinks you got 5 additional masks, adding 5% to the completion tracker

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 2:50 AM

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okay I understand now after your first message

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 3:20 AM

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No guys that isn't it at all. He's just 1% more complete than everyone else.

dapper folio Nov 10, 2017, 3:32 AM

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Lightbringer update? I'll update the gdrive

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Also, @rain cedar I noticed that Speedrun.com's HK resources page has the gdrive link. Gonna add something to 753's mods' folders so that people coming from there know to download from moddb over gdrive

rain cedar Nov 10, 2017, 3:35 AM

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Alright

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I doubt that link gets much traffic

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I just have it there because it's where debug is and that's super helpful for learning runs

dapper folio Nov 10, 2017, 3:36 AM

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yeah, i figured, but i figure it's a good idea too

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for people who dont read the pins

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 3:36 AM

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Oh shit my website got added to http://www.boredbutton.com/

BoredButton.com

Bored? Press the Bored Button.

Go ahead and give it a try. Press the Bored Button and be bored no more.

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http://blue.eastsidelag.com/

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it's that for anyone interested

hazy sentinel Nov 10, 2017, 3:38 AM

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can you unpaint him blue

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 3:38 AM

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Why would you even want to do such a thing?

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F5 is your best option if you wanna be cruel

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 3:39 AM

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ctrl+w

dapper folio Nov 10, 2017, 3:41 AM

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here's the "solution" i'm thinking of

📎 DOWNLOADING_FROM_MODDB_PREFERRED.txt

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mod folders updated, lightbringer 1.2.1.4 added, any other mods i should update?

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 3:45 AM

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bossrush maybe? except i still think it's buggy 😛

dapper folio Nov 10, 2017, 3:45 AM

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boss rush get an update in the past 2 days? i last updated on the 7th

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 3:45 AM

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oh, it's gotten a ton of updates

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some pretty slick stuff

dapper folio Nov 10, 2017, 3:46 AM

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link?

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or does KDT post the file straight here only

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 3:46 AM

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honestly, i don't know that it's ready yet, @leaden hedge

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if it is, then the last one he posted

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you can search for from:KDT has:file

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 3:46 AM

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just put [API][BETA}

📎 BossRush.dll

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it should work fine

dapper folio Nov 10, 2017, 3:47 AM

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will do

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 3:48 AM

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i'll do some more extensive plays of it tonight. see if i can break it 😃

dapper folio Nov 10, 2017, 3:49 AM

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salubrafull

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 4:25 AM

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@leaden hedge - if you kill soul master on the far right side of the room, the right charm spawns outside of the room

timber gale Nov 10, 2017, 4:29 AM

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I actually did find the mods folder before joining this discord, so some descriptions and stuff would be helpful imo. I was immediately lost in there.

dapper folio Nov 10, 2017, 4:34 AM

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mod descriptions, too? I'm not a god

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that's what mod readmes are for

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I just host the things

timber gale Nov 10, 2017, 4:37 AM

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Sorry by "descriptions" I mean "readmes"

rotund ether Nov 10, 2017, 4:37 AM

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is anyone making a mod where your only method for attacking is sharp shadow

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i wanna play it

dapper folio Nov 10, 2017, 4:37 AM

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Blackmoth

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it's already a thing

rotund ether Nov 10, 2017, 4:37 AM

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!!!

timber gale Nov 10, 2017, 4:37 AM

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Didn't it just get updated?

rotund ether Nov 10, 2017, 4:37 AM

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ah i found it!

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ill download and give it a crack

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accidentally includes it in the actual steam drepository for hollow knight

trim totem Nov 10, 2017, 4:42 AM

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it's good mod

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 4:45 AM

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@solemn rivet

blazing sand Nov 10, 2017, 4:47 AM

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Stupid question, but is there a way to download mods without having all your saves effected by it?

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 4:48 AM

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Probably not like you want it to.

dapper folio Nov 10, 2017, 4:55 AM

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keep save backups

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never open a save you don't want affected while the mod is installed

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:24 AM

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yup

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it won't break a save just by having the mod, it could break a save by loading said save with a mod

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in general there are about 200 too few save slots for my tastes

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:25 AM

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if you add a filename hook

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I'll extend the save select to let you press L / R to cycle pages hollowface

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:35 AM

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ok, so, he HK dropped items

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i picked them up

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well it

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boss screen comes up

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can't select radiance 😦

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:36 AM

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have you killed every other boss

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radiance is always last

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:36 AM

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unless you're a boss

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yes

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:36 AM

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weird

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:36 AM

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📎 unknown.png

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:36 AM

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wait

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Im not good at maths

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:37 AM

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lol

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are you supposed to be a boss? 😛

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 5:37 AM

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I like the eyebrows

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:38 AM

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if (BossInfo.defeatedBosses >= 18 && BossInfo.defeatedBosses < 26 && (BossRush.selectX == 2 && BossRush.selectY == 2))
  skip = true;

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9 + 9 + 7 = 25 thinkgrub

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ye theres no sprite for the vanilla dream bosses

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:38 AM

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pro

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:38 AM

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so I made them look 😠

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 5:38 AM

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📎 unknown.png

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:39 AM

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lost kin is the best

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the stick figure body

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takes it from awesome to epic

trim totem Nov 10, 2017, 5:39 AM

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angery

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:39 AM

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this one is maths%

📎 BossRush.dll

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:40 AM

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so other than that, the black/white screen stuff and the dropping a shiny out of bounds, seems stable

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is joni's still broken?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:40 AM

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yes

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as is hive

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:41 AM

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does it hurt to get them? or do they just not work

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:41 AM

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jonis caps your hp at one blue

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:41 AM

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lol

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:41 AM

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hiveblood does nothing until you die

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:41 AM

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ok, so joni's = very bad, k

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:41 AM

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yes

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do not pick up jonis

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:42 AM

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honestly, now that kingsoul is in there, you could probably just exclude joni's until you can fix it, or never, w/e

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:42 AM

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I might just manually fix it

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:42 AM

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well, and you implemented the item recycling

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so it matters even less now

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:43 AM

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set blue hp to 1.5x maxHp

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:43 AM

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something

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i'm not super worried about vet players of the mod, it's mostly the newbie experience. "pick up joni's. wth?"

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unrelated, where would you need the save hook to be at if you were to do the L+R save rotations?

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cause adding it shouldn't be a big deal

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:46 AM

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theres a function in GameManager iirc

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that gets the string

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:46 AM

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semi-related. Now that we can modify saves from a mod, i wonder if we couldn't add some code to the save game area to signify that a given save was made with a given mod or mods

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and pop something up if you try to load a save with a different set of mods saying "hey this save was made with the randomizer, but you aren't running the randomizer, confirm?"

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:48 AM

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you could probably put a dict of string -> int

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where string = modName, and int = major version

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then you could iterate over it,
check if key exists in loaded mods
if not return missing mods
if it is check that major version matches
and return either made for an older or newer version

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:51 AM

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yeah

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it's actually already that easy basically. cause I already have the dictionary of string,int as storable. the code to do it would be fairly easy from the modding api side. I was more wondering if it's possible on the UI/UE side

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:53 AM

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you probably don't even need ui stuff to confirm it

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:54 AM

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just write the mod names/versions on top of the save slot?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:54 AM

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just add a label that says somthing like

Incompatible Saves: HIDDEN
press {KEY} to show incompatible saves

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:54 AM

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hmm, that could work.

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 5:54 AM

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or maybe not hide them, but lock them

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so they can't be selected

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:55 AM

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yeah, though still a {KEY} to force unlock

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so if you really wanted to load the save, you could

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save wise, I think we'd just need to add a new method to UIManager that would run this

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        yield return new WaitForSeconds(0.165f);
        this.slotOne.ShowSaveSlot();
        yield return new WaitForSeconds(0.165f);
        this.slotTwo.ShowSaveSlot();
        yield return new WaitForSeconds(0.165f);
        this.slotThree.ShowSaveSlot();
        yield return new WaitForSeconds(0.165f);
        this.slotFour.ShowSaveSlot();

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hmm, maybe not

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:01 AM

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but yeah a hook around the GameManger.GetSaveFilename(int saveslot)
that returns a string for the filename
and sends an int for the slot and bool to say if its saving or loading

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 6:03 AM

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hmm, we'd need to also call SaveSlotButton.LookForSaveFile for each of the slots

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when you hit L/R, in order to update all the info on the save

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so the code i showed above is totally wrong

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:05 AM

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well I'm going to assume
UnityEngine.UI.SaveSlotButton is in the mainmenu canvas somewhere

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 6:06 AM

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📎 unknown.png

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:06 AM

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oh

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well thats easy then

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 6:06 AM

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i guess you don't even need a hook really

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:06 AM

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nah you do

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 6:07 AM

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no i mean for the slotbutton, you still need one for the filename

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for sure

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:07 AM

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oh yeah

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I need one for the filename

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 6:08 AM

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k, so the hook should be public string GetSaveFilenameHook(int saveslot, bool isSaving)

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?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:08 AM

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it should send if its saving or loading

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although actually

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    public static int page = 0;
    public static int minPage = 0;
    public static int maxPage = 10;
    public Update(){
        if( key == R )
            page++;
        if( key == L )
            page--;
        page = page % maxPage;
        uimanager.slotOne.GetSavestatsForSlot(1);
        uimanager.slot2.GetSavestatsForSlot(2);
        uimanager.slot3.GetSavestatsForSlot(3);
        uimanager.slot4.GetSavestatsForSlot(4);
    }
    getFileName(int x){
        return "/user"+(page*4)+x;
    }

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should work regardless

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as page shouldn't change after loading the save

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 6:12 AM

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eh, it can't hurt to have a bool for indicating save vs load. and it provides the ability to have different behavior later if needed

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oh, hmm, where would you get whether or not it's saving or loading from?

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cause GetSaveFilename only gives us the int of the slot

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:21 AM

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it gets called in 2 different places

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well 3 I guess

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oh and ClearSaveFile

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hmm

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so you'd probably need 4 different checks to say
save / load / stats / clear

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and I'd actually like to know about save + clear now that I think about it

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save to increase maxPage if its on the last page

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and clear to decrease it if its the last one on the last page

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 6:25 AM

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makes sense

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:25 AM

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so you don't have to scroll through empty pages

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 6:26 AM

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just not sure how to accomplish it...i wonder if the action is being tracked somewhere already...

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:26 AM

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can you call the same set of events from different places

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if so just put it after each of the 4 calls it has

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 6:27 AM

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you can, just trying to keep it simple 😃

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oh, actually, i think we can accomplish knowing what its doing without additional hooks beyond the name one

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there is already this:

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        ModHooks.Instance.OnSavegameClear(saveSlot);

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hmm, except that happens at the beginning of ClearSaveFile

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so it'd get called before the file is actually gone

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oh, but you could set a value on that event

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hmp

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nope, just gonna have to be a second hook that happens after the clear happens

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the SaveGame part we already have a viable hook for

dapper folio Nov 10, 2017, 6:30 AM

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how much damage do the weblings do?

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 6:30 AM

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SavegameSaveHook```

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:30 AM

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2

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 6:31 AM

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that's called right after the save has been written to disk

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so that will let you increase your maxpages

dapper folio Nov 10, 2017, 6:31 AM

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just 2?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:31 AM

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yes just 2

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I put all the damage values for new stuff on the wiki

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and health

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 6:31 AM

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but there's 4 of them! and they hit like once every 3 seconds, it's almost a nail0 hit

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😛

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:32 AM

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the only thing that isn't on there is the scale of dream shield with dreamwielder

dapper folio Nov 10, 2017, 6:32 AM

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is it per contact or does it sustain the longer they stay in contact?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:32 AM

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per contact

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target flashes white on hit

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 6:32 AM

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ok, so, load and stats, we don't need to hook for, but save and clear we do, we ahve save, need clear...k, sec

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:33 AM

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the only 3 values that aren't on the wiki are
dreamshield + dreamwielder = 1.15x size
sprintmaster = 8.3 -> 10 speed
sprintmaster + dashmaster = 8.3 -> 11.5 speed

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 6:44 AM

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        [HookInfo("Called after a savegame has been cleared.", "GameManager.GetSaveFilename")]
        public event AfterClearSaveGameHandler AfterSaveGameClearHook;

        [HookInfo("Overrides the filename for a slot.", "GameManager.SaveGameClear")]
        public event GetSaveFileNameHandler GetSaveFileNameHook;

        [HookInfo("Called directly after a save has been saved", "GameManager.SaveGame")]
        public event SavegameSaveHandler SavegameSaveHook;

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ModApi 1.2.1.4-3 (BETA)

📎 Assembly-CSharp.dll

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and GetFilename is hooked in:

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    public string GetSaveFilename(int saveSlot)
    {
        string apiFilename = ModHooks.Instance.GetSaveFileName(saveSlot);
        if (!string.IsNullOrEmpty(apiFilename))
        {
            return apiFilename;
        }
//...rest of code is vanilla

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 6:46 AM

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seems good

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 7:23 AM

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the whole not being able to chose items after dream bosses is really annoying

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well, despite having picked up joni's cause i couldn't see the items for 5 bosses, not bad. was able to finish boss rush for the first time without it bugging out to the point where i was softlocked 😃

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the boss select stuff makes life so much nicer when the drops hate you

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 7:38 AM

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I dunno what to do about the white / black screens

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they seem random

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and I dont do anything that should cause them

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 7:39 AM

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does the code that teleports you possibly be running during the normal transition between dream/normal and it's just load times where sometimes if the load from dream/normal is fast, you get stuck in between?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 7:40 AM

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no it explicitly doesn't run during dream sequences

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also for some reason

uim.slotOne.LookForSaveFile();

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doesn't do anything

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as if its skipping the entire thing

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 7:43 AM

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hmm

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so, LookForSaveFile calls GetSaveStatsForSlot which calls GetSaveFileName which has our hook in it, and i assume the hook doesn't get called?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 7:44 AM

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no the hook gets called

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but none of the values get updated

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but if I update them manually

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it works fine

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 7:45 AM

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when are the values getting set?

#

or

#

rather, when are you trying to set the values?

#

also, what are you using for the filename?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 7:46 AM

#

public void Update()
        {
            if (uim.menuState == GlobalEnums.MainMenuState.SAVE_PROFILES)
            {
                //ModHooks.ModLog("[MoreSaves] UPDATE");
                bool updateSaves = false;
                if (gm.inputHandler.inputActions.paneRight.WasPressed)
                {
                    currentPage++;
                    updateSaves = true;
                }
                if (gm.inputHandler.inputActions.paneLeft.WasPressed)
                {
                    currentPage--;
                    updateSaves = true;
                }
                currentPage = currentPage % maxPages;
                if (currentPage < 0)
                    currentPage = maxPages-1;

                if (updateSaves)
                {
                    ModHooks.ModLog(currentPage.ToString());

                    uim.slotOne.HideSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotTwo.HideSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotThree.HideSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotFour.HideSaveSlot();

                    uim.slotOne.LookForSaveFile();
                    uim.slotTwo.LookForSaveFile();
                    uim.slotThree.LookForSaveFile();
                    uim.slotFour.LookForSaveFile();

                    uim.slotOne.geoText.text = "1";
                    
                    uim.slotOne.ShowSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotTwo.ShowSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotThree.ShowSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotFour.ShowSaveSlot();

                    //uim.GoToProfileMenu();
                }
            }
        }

#

the filenames are correct

#

        public string getFilename(int x)
        {
            return "/user" + ((currentPage * 4) + x) + ".dat";
        }

#

changing to page2 does nothing

#

but slot1 in this case geo gets set to 1

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 7:47 AM

#

hmm, that's different than the way they load them normally

return "\\user1.dat";

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 7:47 AM

#

\ only works on windows iirc

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 7:49 AM

#

i'd have to have a mac/linux version of the dll to see if they did it differently there. i know that / and \ behave differently on windows in some cases (I don't know that you can mix them, unless they already use / for everything and just inconsistently used \ here for some reason)

#

📎 LookForSaveFile.cs

#

so, the only reason i could see it not updating is if saveStats is null or mySlotId < 1

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 7:57 AM

#

well I ran my own version and it works "fine"

📎 unknown.png

#

📎 unknown.png

#

so the only reason it should be breaking is mySlotId being 0 for whatever reason

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 8:01 AM

#

perhaps instead of /, using System.IO.Path.DirectorySeparatorChar

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 8:02 AM

#

its getting the string fine

#

it can load and save the files

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 8:03 AM

#

it just doesn't update the button's ui

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 8:03 AM

#

well yeah

#

but doing

MoreSaves.LookForSaveFile(uim.slotOne, 1);

#

does

#

and thats just an exact-ish copy

#

minus setting private members

#

alright
so


                if (updateSaves)
                {
                    uim.slotOne.enabled = false;
                    uim.slotTwo.enabled = false;
                    uim.slotThree.enabled = false;
                    uim.slotFour.enabled = false;

                    uim.slotOne.enabled = true;
                    uim.slotTwo.enabled = true;
                    uim.slotThree.enabled = true;
                    uim.slotFour.enabled = true;
                }

#

this updates if both src and dst pages have a save on the slot

#

but otherwise does nothing

#

so it won't set the state / create a save slot

#

but it will update the text

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 8:15 AM

#

what's weird, is that enable/disable just ends up calling the LookForSaveFile method.....

#

well, enable does

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 8:15 AM

#

if (updateSaves)
                {
                    uim.slotOne.enabled = false;
                    uim.slotTwo.enabled = false;
                    uim.slotThree.enabled = false;
                    uim.slotFour.enabled = false;

                    uim.slotOne.enabled = true;
                    uim.slotTwo.enabled = true;
                    uim.slotThree.enabled = true;
                    uim.slotFour.enabled = true;

                    uim.slotOne.HideSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotTwo.HideSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotThree.HideSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotFour.HideSaveSlot();

                    uim.slotOne.ShowSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotTwo.ShowSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotThree.ShowSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotFour.ShowSaveSlot();
                }

and this kinda works

#

sorta had to explain how it works

#

when you do HideSaveSlot, it starts the fade out

#

and blocks any fade ins

#

so you 've gotta go from page0 -> 1 fades out
whilst its fading out go to page0 again

#

then go back to page1 so it fades in

#

and it works

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 8:16 AM

#

wonder if thats why they put a delay in the code

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 8:16 AM

#

the delays make them come in

#

one at a time

#

                if (updateSaves)
                {
                    //Instantly
                    uim.slotOne.HideSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotTwo.HideSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotThree.HideSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotFour.HideSaveSlot();

                    //After all faded
                    uim.slotOne.enabled = false;
                    uim.slotTwo.enabled = false;
                    uim.slotThree.enabled = false;
                    uim.slotFour.enabled = false;

                    uim.slotOne.enabled = true;
                    uim.slotTwo.enabled = true;
                    uim.slotThree.enabled = true;
                    uim.slotFour.enabled = true;

                    uim.slotOne.ShowSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotTwo.ShowSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotThree.ShowSaveSlot();
                    uim.slotFour.ShowSaveSlot();
                }

this is what i'll probably have to do

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 8:19 AM

#

makes sense, but i also just realized it's like 220 AM and i've been up for 19.5 hours. so my brain is probably well past mush at this point

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 8:50 AM

#

you can now have up to 8589934588 saves maybe

📎 MoreSaves.dll

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 11:34 AM

#

What's the api version for this? I need to add its hooks

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 11:35 AM

#

1.2.1.4-3

#

wyza posted it earlier

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 11:35 AM

#

that's too many saves

#

85 billion is too much

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 11:36 AM

#

its only 8.5b

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 11:37 AM

#

oh yeah whoops

#

messed up

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 11:38 AM

#

@solemn rivet you use l1 / r1 to change page, if you're on keyboard its whatever you use to change inventory panels

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 11:41 AM

#

Ok

#

It's easier to add those hooks to mine than otherwise

#

I'll send my hooks to wyza later to make it official

#

@rotund ether if you want to try blackmoth, please use the api version. The other version is buggy, out of date and discontinued.

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 12:14 PM

#

what does dat stand for

📎 unknown.png

#

dingus round man

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:23 PM

#

that is completely unformatted

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 12:24 PM

#

ih

#

oh

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:24 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

#

this is how it looks for me

#

this reminds me to change the install instructions to those of the API

#

done

#

I'll add the readme to the root folder of the gdrive, so you can read it without downloading

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 12:28 PM

#

question

#

is there a level cap for bonfire mod

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:30 PM

#

@late sphinx see if this works for ya

#

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AtNW0hHHmey9qVrdq1G6f2jzTwpGvlICfssjq7PfK5Y/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

README.md

|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| || BLACKMOTH MOD || |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| by Gradow ====================================================== FEATURES - A hybrid of fast-paced and risky action mod! - Your main form of attack is you...

#

no, there is no hardcap

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 12:30 PM

#

oh nice

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:30 PM

#

but each stat softcaps around 50

#

but it's a "hard" softcap

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 12:30 PM

#

also that screenshot wasn't from blackmoth but ok

#

i totally know what you mean

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:31 PM

#

oh

#

sorry

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 12:31 PM

#

> : C

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:31 PM

#

lemme see...

#

which version of the bonfire mod you're using?

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 12:32 PM

#

1.2.1.4

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:32 PM

#

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-qUydUUcSkUWTZlbjI4WTBTelk

Google Docs

README.md

#

there's already a readme on the gdrive

#

ehh

#

📎 README.txt

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 12:36 PM

#

but what does drm stand for intenseface

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 12:43 PM

#

Don't ReadMe

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 1:10 PM

#

o h

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 1:56 PM

#

if that was a serious question, sorry, drm means "digital right management"

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 2:10 PM

#

ooohh

#

ok

#

also

#

husk sentries seem to die way quicker than they should

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 2:44 PM

#

can you install the debug mod and check their hp for me?

#

oh

#

nvm

#

can you send me the output_log.txt?

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 3:02 PM

#

hol on

#

i know exactly what that is

#

this thing?

📎 output_log.txt

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 3:04 PM

#

yup

#

Zombie Guard has health_manager_enemy FSM.
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

Total geo for Zombie Guard : 20-0-5-0-0-0
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

Enemy HP multiplier: 1.87089893785141```

#

should work

#

how much attack do you have?

#

can you send a screenshot of the level up screen?

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 3:09 PM

#

📎 Hollow_Knight_11_11_2017_1_08_17_AM.png

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 3:11 PM

#

it should die easily

📎 unknown.png

#

without crits, it dies in 5 hits

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 3:13 PM

#

husk sentry

#

the ones in city of tears

#

noot

hazy sentinel Nov 10, 2017, 3:13 PM

#

great husk sentry u dungo

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 3:14 PM

#

oh!

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 3:14 PM

#

no just husk sentry

hazy sentinel Nov 10, 2017, 3:14 PM

#

ok u mean the blue nail guys

#

or am i just dumb thinkgrub

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 3:15 PM

#

these guys?

#

📎 unknown.png

#

or these guys?

#

📎 unknown.png

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 3:16 PM

#

those guys

#

smol

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 3:16 PM

#

if it's the latter, it should be obvious why they die so easily

#

you kill them in two hits

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 3:16 PM

#

huh

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 3:16 PM

#

or, actually

late sphinx Nov 10, 2017, 3:16 PM

#

without mods the flying ones took more hits

#

i mean ,less

#

not mroe

#

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 3:17 PM

#

Enemy HP multiplier: 2.40163994843443

#

so it's roughly 52, 54

#

should die in 4 hits

#

which is harder than it should be at any point in the game

hazy sentinel Nov 10, 2017, 3:18 PM

#

what

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 3:20 PM

#

at most, nail damage in vanilla is 21

#

eh, I phrased it wrong

hazy sentinel Nov 10, 2017, 3:21 PM

#

"""at any point in the game"""

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 3:21 PM

#

at nail 0 - 5~6 hits
nail1 - 3 hits
nail2 - 2~3 hits
nail3 - 2 hits
nail4 - 2 hits

#

"at any point after upgrading"

hazy sentinel Nov 10, 2017, 3:22 PM

#

nerf enemy hp scaling imo

#

hollowface

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 3:22 PM

#

which he has

📎 unknown.png

#

so it's harder than it should be at this point

#

📎 unknown.png

hazy sentinel Nov 10, 2017, 3:25 PM

#

is that total hp or additional hp

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 3:26 PM

#

total HP

#

so bonfireHP=vanillaHP*2.62

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 4:04 PM

#

okay, I'll add the more saves hooks now

#

Suggested API with logger hooks, save file hooks and bonfiremod hooks

📎 Assembly-CSharp.dll

#

also, are the more saves'-hooks only on GetSaveFileName and ClearSaveFile?

#

or did you change any existing hooks?

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 5:20 PM

#

i don't think so, i think those were the only 2 i changed/added last night.

#

also, the reason your stuff was formatted weird is likely the editor you used was using Unix line endings \n vs windows line endings \r\n

#

notepad can only do windows ones, but notepad++ does both

#

I'll review the dll after work to make sure it all looks good, can you post somewhere the changes you made? I want to make sure they are all ported back into source code (especially since we're gonna get a new patch in the nearish future)

#

@leaden hedge / @rain cedar - Assuming the new save paging stuff works well. Thoughts on including that with the modding API by default (it'd still be a separate mod in the mods folder, but have it be part of the standard distribution. ) seems like it'd be something pretty standard that people would use.

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 8:27 PM

#

v0.2.0
Clearing saves now correctly removes the last page, if both the last and 2nd to last page are empty.
Added a label to display which page you are on.

📎 MoreSaves.dll

#

I have no problem with you distributing the mod with the API

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 8:36 PM

#

i haven't loaded it, but are there indicators anywhere that show that there are pages and how to move to them?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 8:37 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

#

it should hopefully be intuitive

#

as its the same button the game uses to change pages

timber gale Nov 10, 2017, 8:48 PM

#

If this mod is compatible, have you considered just having it auto-installed with the API? Unless there is some downside

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 8:49 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 9:03 PM

#

nice, yeah, that looks perfect and using the same inventory buttons is great

#

it almost looks as if it's part of the game 😃

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 9:04 PM

#

it could do with fading in / out

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 9:07 PM

#

i look forward to testing it out when i get home

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 9:18 PM

#

https://github.com/KayDeeTee/hk-moresaves

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 9:23 PM

#

Out of curiosity, what programming language does HK use?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 9:23 PM

#

its in unity engine

#

so it uses mono c#

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 9:23 PM

#

thank you

rain cedar Nov 10, 2017, 9:28 PM

#

Does that even work on keyboard? I don't think there's any buttons to swap pages on keyboard

#

I just press left/right until it's on the arrows

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 9:29 PM

#

It's works on keyborard supposedly. It's the keys you have to switch tabs in the in-game menu

rain cedar Nov 10, 2017, 9:30 PM

#

That's the thing, I don't think there are keys for that on keyboard

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 9:30 PM

#

I've done it

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 9:31 PM

#

seems like an oversight if there isn't

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 9:31 PM

#

look at your settings. @hazy sentinel fight me

rain cedar Nov 10, 2017, 9:32 PM

#

Ok it's [ and ]

#

Not in the settings, I just pressed everything until something worked

void wing Nov 10, 2017, 9:32 PM

#

okay. good for you then I guess.

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 9:33 PM

#

well its not in the settings for keyboard for somereason

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 9:46 PM

#

@buoyant wasp what kind of documentation would you need?

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 9:47 PM

#

what hooks you added

#

and where

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 9:55 PM

#

yup

#

so need to know where they are in the HK code (GameManager.Something, or PlayerData.something, or HeroController.Something) and where they are in the Modding namespace.

solemn rivet Nov 10, 2017, 10:21 PM

#

gotcha

#

I'll write a simple .txt file, would that be fine?

#

I don't have any prior experience with documenting things, to

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 10:33 PM

#

that's fine

#

it's mostly so i don't have to go looking around trying to figure out what was added 😃

leaden hedge Nov 10, 2017, 10:50 PM

#

v0.3.0
holding l1/r1 causes it to quick cycle through pages ( 5 a second )
and you can now repeatedly press directions to keep going without loading the save,
although once you start loading a set you're locked for half a second until the animation finishes

📎 MoreSaves.dll

copper nacelle Nov 10, 2017, 11:11 PM

#

is there any guide
or list or anything
that says what levels in hollow knight data correspond to
?

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 11:14 PM

#

how so?

#

like what are you trying to achieve?

copper nacelle Nov 10, 2017, 11:15 PM

#

whomstification

#

(making my game like @Whomst has his)

#

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283680756159741953/378664113712398346/howling.gif

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 11:16 PM

#

i couldn't begin to say, but the other modders might know

copper nacelle Nov 10, 2017, 11:16 PM

#

time to just corrupt everything

#

simple solution

buoyant wasp Nov 10, 2017, 11:20 PM

#

as i understand it, asset replacement is one of the more difficult things to get right

#

or at the very least, the most time consuming, and also volitile

#

since the placement of the assets on the asset sheets changes each release (or so i'm told)

buoyant obsidian Nov 10, 2017, 11:24 PM

#

Did Whomst ever reveal his secrets?

ornate rivet Nov 10, 2017, 11:25 PM

#

no

copper nacelle Nov 10, 2017, 11:26 PM

#

can't I just put random garbage on it

#

like

#

it'll just take out the parts on the right parts of the sheet

#

right?

ornate rivet Nov 10, 2017, 11:27 PM

#

📎 Capture.JPG

stray mirage Nov 11, 2017, 12:01 AM

#

i've asked here before

#

i'm telling you, it isn't nearly as simple as it sounds

#

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283467363729408000/329466824582496259/unknown.png

#

here we have an image of the only other confirmed case of the bug

copper nacelle Nov 11, 2017, 12:04 AM

#

only other?

#

other?

stray mirage Nov 11, 2017, 12:04 AM

#

that was magolor5000

copper nacelle Nov 11, 2017, 12:04 AM

#

interesting

stray mirage Nov 11, 2017, 12:05 AM

#

there are maybe a few others but none nearly as sever as ours

ornate rivet Nov 11, 2017, 12:05 AM

#

ours?

copper nacelle Nov 11, 2017, 12:05 AM

#

📎 unknown.png

stray mirage Nov 11, 2017, 12:05 AM

#

me and magolor

ornate rivet Nov 11, 2017, 12:05 AM

#

ah

stray mirage Nov 11, 2017, 12:05 AM

#

both of us have since fixed it

#

very sad

copper nacelle Nov 11, 2017, 12:05 AM

#

don't worry

#

I'll break it again

#

very soon

stray mirage Nov 11, 2017, 12:05 AM

#

if you are active on the subreddit, i'm sure someone would have posted it if they had it

copper nacelle Nov 11, 2017, 12:06 AM

#

I'm pretty active

#

haven't seen any other cases

ornate rivet Nov 11, 2017, 12:06 AM

#

I am active, though I try not to be

#

at least I try not to post because every time I do post something:

copper nacelle Nov 11, 2017, 12:07 AM

#

I've got an important question

#

are all your other posts like that post you posted about Grimm

ornate rivet Nov 11, 2017, 12:07 AM

#

nah

#

📎 Capture.JPG

#

clearly not

#

I dont make threads very often

stray mirage Nov 11, 2017, 12:10 AM

#

this is probably not relevant

#

but my game was on a public beta build in june

#

but magolor's was on an actual release shortly after

#

he claims he was on 1.0.3.7

copper nacelle Nov 11, 2017, 12:12 AM

#

those don't look very downvoted tbh @ornate rivet

ornate rivet Nov 11, 2017, 12:15 AM

#

@copper nacelle , yeah most of my threads dont get down voted, my comments do though

#

not that I care, as long as I can post i am fine

copper nacelle Nov 11, 2017, 12:17 AM

#

cool

#

wtf

#

I beat soul tyrant

#

and the hollow knight window disappeared

#

and it's back

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 12:55 AM

#

Playing the randomizer. What upgrade can you get while having nothing?

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 12:56 AM

#

Soul catcher, vengeful spirit, dream nail, dreamshield

#

All salubra things

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 12:56 AM

#

shops, VS, Fury, soul catcher, dream nail, shield

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 12:56 AM

#

I got Fury of Fallen, Vengeful Spirit, Soul Charm, Map Seller charm, Shop charms.

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 12:56 AM

#

Sly

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 12:56 AM

#

and compass

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 12:56 AM

#

Oh, salubra with shade skip?

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 12:56 AM

#

yup

#

that's practically required

#

in almost every seed

#

at least, almost every one i've seen or played

#

what do you actually have ?

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 12:57 AM

#

Btw, is steel soul viable?

leaden hedge Nov 11, 2017, 12:57 AM

#

yes

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 12:57 AM

#

steel soul disables pathways where shade skip is required

#

so there would always be a way to get to salubra eventually without it

#

but depending on what you have so far, greenpath might be open

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 12:58 AM

#

When does getting lantern become useful?

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 12:58 AM

#

and you can get to the SEER

leaden hedge Nov 11, 2017, 12:58 AM

#

never

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 12:58 AM

#

never

#

unless you need it in deepnest

#

but you never "need" it

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 12:59 AM

#

How do you get to crystal peak?

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 12:59 AM

#

toll

#

you can open it w/o lantern

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 12:59 AM

#

the toll works without lantern

#

in rando

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 12:59 AM

#

Really?

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 12:59 AM

#

sean changed it

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 12:59 AM

#

yes. that was changed for the rando

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 12:59 AM

#

Oh.

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 12:59 AM

#

there are also like 8 ways to get into greenpath

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 12:59 AM

#

It doesn't make anything easier to make the toll always usable

#

Just removes 1800 geo grinding

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 12:59 AM

#

And crystal peak content can be accessed only I got mantis claw?

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:00 AM

#

nope

#

you can get to dream nail with nothing but jump

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 1:00 AM

#

there's a lot of different CP requirements

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:00 AM

#

you can get a big chunk of CP with just double jump and dash

#

all of if with double jump, dash and claw or CH

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:00 AM

#

Dream nail with nothing but jump?

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:01 AM

#

yup

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:01 AM

#

Oh. You can fall to resting grounds.

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 1:01 AM

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yes. go through dark room heading to descending dark

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yeah

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:01 AM

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and that's 2 items over there (nail and the thing below seer)

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the shield

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in CP, you can get the shop key with just dash (though i prefer to have wings if possible)

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 1:04 AM

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is that even in the logic?

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 1:04 AM

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That doesn't sound right

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 1:04 AM

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to get up there w/o d ouble jump?

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i don't think you can even get up in that room w/o double jump

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maybe off a pickaxe pogo

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:05 AM

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you can, it sucks, but you can

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if you kill the guy and open the room, there is still a piece of background you can pogo off of

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 1:05 AM

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no thanks on doing the spike gauntlet w/ only dash

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:06 AM

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but yeah, it's doable, just terrible

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 1:06 AM

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i mean in the shopkeeper room itself

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:06 AM

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oh, yeah, pogo 😃

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:06 AM

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Got monarch wings 😄

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 1:06 AM

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The spike gauntlet isn't possible with just dash

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 1:06 AM

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and don't you need wings there too?

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down where the deep focus is?

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you can't pogo up there

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:06 AM

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deep focus you just have to s&q if you go in without wings/claw

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there is no way out of that

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that i know of

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 1:07 AM

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no. the wall where that guy is that leads to deep focus

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you can't make that jump with just a pogo

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:08 AM

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brb, double checking i wasn't hallucinating when i did it

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 1:08 AM

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lol

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pretty sure you can't do the spike gantlet with only dash

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don't think you can make the first part even

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:08 AM

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I just softlocked at dreamers...

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 1:08 AM

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at dreamers?

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oh....

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the lightning softlock?

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:09 AM

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https://puu.sh/yjjC0.png

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 1:09 AM

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hahaha

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:09 AM

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Screen shaking like crazy.

young walrus Nov 11, 2017, 1:09 AM

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yeah. lucky you

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have to quit out

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 1:09 AM

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@buoyant wasp

📎 unknown.png

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There is 100% no way you're getting past here without wings or claw

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:09 AM

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I got debug mod on.

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Ill try a few things.

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Ok, respawning worked.

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:10 AM

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ah, guess you're right

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so i guess you do have ot have double jump

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:11 AM

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Btw, after getting vengeful spirit, it takes a very long time before getting up.

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 1:11 AM

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That's just how it works there

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Nothing to do with randomizer

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:11 AM

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yeah, thought it always took a while

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:12 AM

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Maybe Im just used to skipping it XD

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Btw, what are the list of useful shade skip?

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 1:14 AM

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Just die anywhere you can't progress

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9/10 times it's useful

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:14 AM

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there's a useful one for getting to lost kin, but i'm pretty sure its not in the logic

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 1:14 AM

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Yeah, that one isn't

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It's not a good idea to assume people can hit their shade without killing it

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:15 AM

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there's one to get to spore shroom down in fungal

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:22 AM

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What about adding a hint button that tells you an accessible upgrade?

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:22 AM

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we've talked about adding a thing to the easy mode where if you got compass it'd do that at a bench

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:23 AM

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Id add it to hard mode too.

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 1:23 AM

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There's also people who want compass to always be in white palace

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But there's a bigger issue in that the game just updated

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Hooray broken mods

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:24 AM

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facepalm

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:24 AM

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What about replacing the witch atthe right side of Town.

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 1:24 AM

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I think someone else suggested that

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:24 AM

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Instead of giving back shade, it would give an hint.

buoyant wasp Nov 11, 2017, 1:24 AM

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gimme a few minutes and i'll get you the first half of the api built on the new version

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 1:25 AM

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I don't like the idea of incentivizing jiji because using keys poorly can soft lock you

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:25 AM

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Theres always one thats acciesble from shop.

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 1:25 AM

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Yeah, and sometimes you're expected to use it on waterways

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Without any other key accessible

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:26 AM

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I think you only need wings to get 2nd key.

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 1:26 AM

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Could just make jiji always open I guess

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Dive is enough to get to flukemarm

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:26 AM

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Ya, thatd also work.

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So, Id say jiji always open.

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Give a rancid egg for hint.

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Hint is random.

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 1:29 AM

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Probably possible by modifying her fsm

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:29 AM

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Or cheap way is.

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When map == jiji, loop every frame and check if rancid egg count got changed.

leaden hedge Nov 11, 2017, 1:30 AM

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why would you do that

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theres a hook for set int

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you could just check for rancidEggs

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 1:30 AM

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I'm thinking change her fsm to always think you've died so she'll always take an egg

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Then change state transitions to not try spawning the shade

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Then make the text proper in the language hook

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They fucked up input queueing in this patch

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https://youtu.be/42QLtpVd5PY

YouTube

Sean Riley

Sick input queueing

▶ Play video

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Attacks after the dialog even though I'm only holding dream nail

slate owl Nov 11, 2017, 1:42 AM

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The geo items are swapped too?

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Got Arcane Egg from City of Tears.

rain cedar Nov 11, 2017, 1:42 AM

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Not exactly but pretty much

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It just selects a random artifact using the seed and room name to randomize