could just set it to 0 for only 1 allowed
#archived-modding-development
buoyant wasp
then it'd be good 
leaden hedge
probably won't implement that rn
as you'd probably get softlocked on uumuu all the time
buoyant wasp
oh, cause the dropping of the items puts them in weird places?
and you're only lucky to get one?
leaden hedge
yeah I've already coded a way around them falling into acid of oob
I've just not gone through and hard coded positions for each drop
new BossData("False Knight", "Crossroads_10", new Vector2(13.81485f, 27.40562f), createDrops(), new ItemPos(), "falseKnightDefeated"),
could instead be
new BossData("False Knight", "Crossroads_10", new Vector2(13.81485f, 27.40562f), createDrops(), new ItemPos(5,5,6,7,8,9), "falseKnightDefeated"),
and it'd spawn the central item at 6,7 left item at 5,5 and right item at 8,9
leaden hedge
it has 3 overrides
public ItemPos(float x1, float x2, float y)
public ItemPos(float x1, float y1, float x2, float y2, float x3, float y3)
public ItemPos(Vector2 one, Vector2 two, Vector2 three)
yes, well, i haven't read all the code yet
so, would the Vector override work then instead?
just thinking that if a person looked at "5,5,6,7,8,9" it isn't immediately obvious that "this is 3 item locations"
leaden hedge
yeah you could do
new ItemPos( new Vector2(5,5), new Vector2(6,7), new Vector2(8,9) )
that would make more sense
oh, or
public ItemPos(params Vector2 locations)
so, like in uumuu, there are actually 8 or something platforms? quite a few
just thinking no reason it has to be limited to 3 spots necessarily
leaden hedge
might be complicated to determine which one is "left"
buoyant wasp
oh, right, the UI
cause of the labels
not being on the overlay
yeah, i guess for now the hard 3 is best until you can do the drawing
leaden hedge
for the most part you'd probably be using the first constructor anyway
most of the time the arena is flat
buoyant wasp
with the first constructor, where is the 3rd X coordinate?
leaden hedge
public ItemPos(float x1, float x2, float y)
{
item1 = new Vector2(x1, y);
item2 = new Vector2((x1+x2)/2.0f, y);
item3 = new Vector2(x2, y);
}
solemn rivet
So, on another topic entirely
I might redo blackmoth's damage assignment, because it makes no goddamn sense that setting the damage to 1 when attacking and to 5 when dashing doesn't work
buoyant wasp
perhaps working on porting to the API first would be better? ๐
buoyant wasp
ah
rain cedar
You need to send an fsm event to update damage
buoyant wasp
was thinking you were having troubles with porting
but maybe that was for bonfire
and my memory sucks
leaden hedge
PlayMakerFSM.BroadcastEvent("UPDATE NAIL DAMAGE");
I do that
for some reason it doesn't work
the way I made it work on 1.1.1.8 was to set damage not at attack/dash but when the inputhandler detected attack/dash button was pressed
but that still had some instances where damage would freeze at 1, and some rare cases where it would flat out do no damage at all
solemn rivet
that's what I plan to do - either that, or look for FSMs that damages_enemy and are name "nail", and set their damage to 1
rain cedar
Debug mod uses a reference to the hero nail
You could look at that for setting damage
leaden hedge
sharp shadow damage is tagged
as Sharp Shadow
so you can probably do
GameObject sharpShadow = GameObject.FindGameObjectWithTag("Sharp Shadow");
PlayMakerFSM damagesEnemy = FSMUtility.LocateFSM(sharpShadow, "damages_enemy");
damagesEnemy.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("damageDealt").Value = whatever
oh, thank you KDT
leaden hedge
you could also do something like
damageEnemy.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("attackType").Value = 0;
if (heroCtrl.cState.facingRight)
{
damageEnemy.FsmVariables.GetFsmFloat("direction").Value = 180f;
}
else
{
damageEnemy.FsmVariables.GetFsmFloat("direction").Value = 0f;
}
and you should be able to open doors and chests with sharp shadow
@solemn rivet
solemn rivet
what is attackType?
leaden hedge
"0=Nail, 1=Generic, 2=Spell, 3=Acid, 4=Splatter, 5=RuinsWater, 6=Sharp Shadow, 7=Nail Beam"
its what everything uses to determine what it was hit by
solemn rivet
wouldn't that make enemies recoil when I dash through them then?
leaden hedge
although setting it to nail would make it knock stuff back
leaden hedge
could just make down dashes open stuff
solemn rivet
no need to take that away from nail though
leaden hedge
could make nail actually deal 0 damage
solemn rivet
but pogo
pogoing is actually part of what makes blackmoth fun to play
because you can use it to reset the dash
leaden hedge
but you can make the nail work if you do 0 damage
solemn rivet
with 0 damage can you still pogo?
solemn rivet
sure
solemn rivet
@small plover
non-api version of Blackmoth
is there a hook for PlayMakerUnity2DProxy.Start() in the API?
small plover
thankya
rain cedar
A lot of the stuff you use in HeroController is private
So in the version I ported I used reflection a ton
solemn rivet
what I'm gonna do is edit yours
rain cedar
You could make it a lot cleaner but there's one way of doing it
You could probably improve it by having a Dictionary<string, FieldInfo> that you reference in GetPrivateField
Same goes for InvokePrivateMethod
timber gale
@leaden hedge You serious about making Radiance harder?
dapper folio
Nightmare God Grimm
Nightmare God Radiance
make it a series of mods
buoyant wasp
Nightmare God Hornet 1
timber gale
Irradiance
buoyant wasp
radiance is currently a joke with flukenest build, it could definitely be made dramatically harder
course, you could make all the bosses harder just by nerfing spells/fluke into the ground
timber gale
I was thinking no spike gaps and teleports set time after being hit
At least to start
Ofc im a skrub so I cant actually implement anything
rain cedar
I'm not sure that's possible with our current knowledge of the FSMs in game
hazy sentinel
6k ho
timber gale
The radiance and her 6k side bitchez
rain cedar
We could probably make the spike rain happen for the full fight
timber gale
Could you get fucked over trying to dash the beam in some situations?
rain cedar
We could just remove the beam
leaden hedge
dive instead
rain cedar
Or that
timber gale
Oh yeah I forget thats a thing
buoyant obsidian
I'm guessing you guys can't take stuff like Radiance's attacks and use them in other fights though, right?
rain cedar
We would need to load the radiance scene first to get a reference to stuff
buoyant obsidian
Is loading multiple scenes like that feasible?
rain cedar
Yeah
leaden hedge
its slow
rain cedar
Just makes the loadtime a lot worse
leaden hedge
thats about it
rain cedar
You can probably load resources directly but I don't know how
buoyant obsidian
Would it be possible for you guys to put up some sort of tutorial for stuff like simple scene editing (platforms, enemies, etc)?
leaden hedge
if you want to edit fsms
you'll want
https://github.com/KayDeeTee/HK-FSM-VIEWER
and
https://github.com/KayDeeTee/hk-bossrush/blob/master/src/FsmUtil.cs
as for platforms, you just find them, and instantiate a copy
and put it where you want
I'll upload NGG if you want a actual enemy edit
buoyant obsidian
That'd be helpful, thanks
timber gale
Awesome, thanks!
leaden hedge
its not commented
but most of the function names should be self explanitory to what they do
buoyant obsidian
This FSM Viewer needs the API right?
buoyant obsidian
Ah there we go, thanks.
I'll take a thorough look into this when I get back from dinner.
leaden hedge
and to get them, you use the FSM mod and add save_fsm to your save folder
you need to rename the FSM you want to look at, to data.json and add
var fsm =
to the start
its not exactly perfect, but its considerably better than trying to read the fsm dumps by hand
heavy geyser
Constant horizontal spears for radiance would be neato
ornate rivet
no they wouldnt
buoyant wasp
So i spent a fair amount of time trying to figure out if we could pull all the Modding namespace into a separate project so that updating the assembly-csharp would be easier to maintain. The best approach would have been to make a couple of the classes in the original partials, so that we could put in temporary placeholders in the seperate project then use ILMerge or dnspy to just merge the assemblies after.
turns out, dnspy doesn't let you change stuff to partial :/
leaden hedge
completely unrelated I added in the missing bosses, and stopped items falling into acid or spikes or whatever
buoyant wasp
hmmm, i wonder though. if we could obfuscate all the HK specific stuff like PlayerData.Instance...hmmm
dapper folio
Alright, I've gotten Quickslash on my new slot 1, how do I edit it to make it 2 notches
rain cedar
KDT's save editor might be able to do that
If not, you'll need to change the cost manually
rain cedar
Modding API is up for 1.2.1.4
Big thanks to Wyza for the new save file functionality
I also went ahead and added a version field to ModHooks for easily telling which game version you're on
@high moat
high moat
You guys are amazing
solemn rivet
@leaden hedge does it have a function to select which boss to fight?
rain cedar
Not as of right now but that wouldn't be hard to add
solemn rivet
oh, okay
rain cedar
It just gets the boss order from this function here https://github.com/KayDeeTee/hk-bossrush/blob/f88c05a9741ff68d41ad6de14958ff48aedb9a81/src/BossRush.cs#L228
dapper folio
looking to play or make?
fair rampart
Make.
dapper folio
wouldn't know
buoyant wasp
TLDR, there is an API that the community has built that lets you mod more easily
it has no documentation since it's creation required directly editing the dlls for the game
buoyant wasp
some mods do direct manipulation, but many have been ported to use this api
fair rampart
What I'm doing needs to patch source code so...
buoyant wasp
maybe, maybe not, ๐
buoyant obsidian
What are you after exactly?
buoyant obsidian
Oh boy
dapper folio
oof
fair rampart
Yes.
buoyant wasp
oh, good luck with that
buoyant wasp
this game is not in any sort of shape for that
fair rampart
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I'll get something simple
Then get frustrated and give up
But y'know
It'll be fun to mess with
I also tried to mod Enter The Gungeon
Which didn't have seeded runs... So that didn't last.
buoyant wasp
so i might be stupid, but with the new boss rush, when are you supposed to be able to equip the charms you pick up?
rain cedar
It doesn't show but they're equipped automagically
buoyant wasp
ah
dapper folio
is the new boss rush functional? i didn't see it in the drive folder
rain cedar
It's working but not very complex
And a bit buggy
If you scroll up a bit KDT posted a build fairly recently
dapper folio
alright, I'll add it
Bossrush.dll right?
anyone else contribute or is it all KDT?
buoyant wasp
lol, so i just found some way to get stuck unable to attack
and softlocked now stuck in a corner. oh well, made bad choices so far anyway
dapper folio
now I can remove the note about Kein's mods
rain cedar
I contributed one little piece of it but it's pretty much just KDT
dapper folio
there, note about Kein removed.
I will no longer be providing Kein's mods for use in HK. I don't know how much help they'd be from a mod-maker's perspective.
rain cedar
Not super helpful, his mods are a bit of a mess code-wise
But then again, everything dnspy spits out is
Side effect of reading a decompilation of compiled code
dapper folio
that's what i thought
if you think they'd be useful, I still have all of them, but I'd rather point the average user towards your guys' mods
rain cedar
That makes sense
buoyant wasp
so, if you die to first crystal guardian, when you respawn, you'll be bending down as if to pickup an item, but not. in that state, you can't attack, so oyu have to let your shade come slap you
wispy root
Sooooo... is there a debug mod for 1.2.1.4 ?
amber plank
anyone here who was played the blackmoth mod? seem to be dealing with a big bug with it.
timber gale
Yup, its farther up in chat
solemn rivet
There were people who played earlier versions. What's this bug? Even if it's a pun, I'm interested
solemn rivet
okay, I've just finished porting Blackmoth to the modding API
thanks, @rain cedar , your port was really useful! I mostly just made small changes over what you wrote
solemn rivet
aaand it's uploaded to gdrive
leaden hedge
added 2 pickups if you beat the boss without getting hit, and a placeholder loadscreen to stop you having to look at whatever the last frame was when you picked stuff up
dapper folio
updated drive folder
timber gale
In theory, you could do the radiance if the stage was completely covered in spikes the whole time right?
leaden hedge
yes
dapper folio
in theory, yes
timber gale
Would probably be better on kb to retain positioning for spike rain
buoyant wasp
@leaden hedge - can you look at fixing the bug wherein when you die, you can't attack until hit when you respawn?
lament wren
gdrive link sry?
leaden hedge
@buoyant wasp should let you attack and move, animation is stuck until you do something other than move or attack though
but otherwise you're functional
@lament wren the gdrive link is in the pins
lament wren
oh thanks buddy
buoyant wasp
thanks. I'll try it out after work
moving wasn't a big issue (though once i got bounced into a corner and was stuck moving left forever, couldn't replicate that). it was just not being able to attack that was annoying
other things I've noticed that are odd
if you get hit by the first boss before your masks show
it'll still show you as full health until you get hit
leaden hedge
thats a bug with vanilla
buoyant wasp
yeah
leaden hedge
the only 2 bugs I know of now, are joni's and hiveblood don't work
and sometimes MoP and Longnail dont' work
buoyant wasp
and then once I had a thing where i selected HP once, then on the next boss, the first hit of damage i took, took the 5th mask, but not the 6th mask. 2nd hit did the 6th mask
it was weird
so it was like
0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 X 0
0 0 0 0 X X
buoyant wasp
yeah
buoyant wasp
any way to make city crest not drop from the first boss?
buoyant wasp
it doesn't hurt anything
it's just confusing cause the 2 shinies are almost on top of eachother
leaden hedge
only if you're stood near him when he dies
buoyant wasp
which, you know, tends to happen frequently ๐
one other thing. Could it be possible to do something like the randomizer mod does and have the mod be togglable? basically a "start game in boss rush mode" vs "start normal game" vs "start game in randomizer"
sorry, lots of ideas
solemn rivet
@leaden hedge are you broadcasting the fsm event to update blue health?
leaden hedge
hc.proxyFSM.SendEvent("HeroCtrl-MaxHealth");
hc.proxyFSM.SendEvent("HeroCtrl-Healed");
hc.proxyFSM.SendEvent("BENCHREST");
hc.proxyFSM.SendEvent("HERO REVIVED");
GameCameras.instance.soulOrbFSM.SendEvent("MP GAIN");
gm.soulVessel_fsm.SendEvent("MP RESERVE UP");
PlayMakerFSM.BroadcastEvent("UPDATE NAIL DAMAGE");
PlayerData.instance.MaxHealth();
HeroController.instance.CharmUpdate();
I thought charm update did it
solemn rivet
oh, you're calling charmUpdate
buoyant wasp
We should probably look at adding some UI helpers for the menus to the modding API at some point
solemn rivet
PlayerData.instance.UpdateBlueHealth();
PlayMakerFSM.BroadcastEvent("UPDATE BLUE HEALTH");```this is how I do it in Bonfiremeh can't hurt I guess
I need to figure out what triggers hiveblood
and nail range
solemn rivet
nail range should be handled by NailSlash class
no idea about hiveblood, probably fsm
solemn rivet
{
base.transform.localScale = new Vector3(this.scale.x * 1.4f, this.scale.y * 1.4f, this.scale.z);
this.anim.Play(this.animName + " M");
}
else if (this.mantis)
{
base.transform.localScale = new Vector3(this.scale.x * 1.25f, this.scale.y * 1.25f, this.scale.z);
this.anim.Play(this.animName + " M");
}
else if (this.longnail)
{
base.transform.localScale = new Vector3(this.scale.x * 1.15f, this.scale.y * 1.15f, this.scale.z);
this.anim.Play(this.animName);
}
else
{
base.transform.localScale = this.scale;
this.anim.Play(this.animName);
}```I love how they deal with each range upgrade individually
leaden hedge
no way that could be improved
solemn rivet
I honestly thought that longnail and mop stacked multiplicatively until I looked at this
it's pretty much "longnail adds 15% to range and mop adds 25%. So both should add 15+25=40%"
opal shuttle
I need a little randomizer advice: I am in the forgotten crossroads with no movement ability nor spell. Where should I go next?
young walrus
what do you have
solemn rivet
wut you got?
young walrus
and what mode? hard or easy
leaden hedge
base.transform.localScale = new Vector3(this.scale.x * (1 + (this.mantis ? 0.25 : 0) + (this.longnail ? 0.15 : 0)), this.scale.y * (1 + (this.mantis ? 0.25 : 0) + (this.longnail ? 0.15 : 0)), this.scale.z);
this.anim.Play(this.animName + (this.mantis ? " M" : ""));
this is what it should be
opal shuttle
Hard
opal shuttle
Is there a path other than that one?
young walrus
the toll booth you can interact with
and hard has logic with charms to go greenpath too
opal shuttle
what do you mean?
young walrus
anything that can hit the baldur in the way
solemn rivet
if you have grubberfly or glowing womb you can go to greenpath
young walrus
like mark of pride, grub elegy, glowing womb
solemn rivet
also dive
opal shuttle
dreamshield?
young walrus
isma's tear can get you there too
dreamshield isn't in the logic, no
so sounds like you have to take a trip through crystal peaks and drop down into resting grounds
there's dream nail and the dream shield pickups over there
solemn rivet
yeah, go to crystal
young walrus
and none of the charms we were talking about are in the shops?
young walrus
and compass
opal shuttle
sly and iselda don't have anything of value; I have visited salubra, but don't remember her having those charms
solemn rivet
what do you need to get CH, assuming you got to crystal peaks?
opal shuttle
Thing is I was having trouble with the dark jumping puzzle
solemn rivet
only dash?
opal shuttle
dash and mantis claws
solemn rivet
oh, yeah
buoyant wasp
yeah, the dark jumping room can be 100% required in hard randomizer seeds
so you just have to learn it if you are going to do hard
I don't have it handy
but there is an image
for that room
somewhere
in #races-discussion I htink
young walrus
rigid stag
what mods do you guys recommend'
young walrus
yes
rigid stag
...
rigid stag
how would one access a mod
young walrus
if you're looking for a dark souls type leveling system put into the game: bonfire mod
if you want to change up how you attack and how a bunch of charms work for a completely new experience: Lightbringer mod
if you want to run through a new maze every time: randomizer
check the pinned messages for the google drive link
and list of mods on there too
they're all good
rigid stag
im sorry if this is to much to ask but how do i install a mod
buoyant wasp
each mod has a readme
young walrus
^^
buoyant wasp
it's pretty much "copy->paste"
young walrus
basically its just that^ yeah
copy all the contents, paste in game's .exe location
the files that are in folders will be placed where they need to go
buoyant wasp
bossrush is super beta at the moment, probably the least polished since it's...2 days old?
buoyant obsidian
The one where you dash to attack
buoyant wasp
but most of the rest of the mods are in a really good place
young walrus
gotcha
buoyant wasp
most mods require the Mod API to be installed too (also in the drive folder)
rigid stag
im trying to do the randomizer
buoyant wasp
it's basically a modification to the core game to allow for mods more easily than the "old" way
yup, you'll need the mod API
rigid stag
where is that
buoyant wasp
it's in the drive folder too
rigid stag
ah i see
buoyant wasp
says "Modding API"
just make sure you get the one for the version of it for your game, current patch is 1.2.1.4 i think
buoyant wasp
we got the mod api updated to 2.1.4 last night
young walrus
and that's all you need yeah? the .dll for the rando doesn't need updating?
young walrus
sveet
rigid stag
first charm is glowing womb
buoyant wasp
nope
rigid stag
oh
young walrus
lol. that will take forever to develop
buoyant wasp
spells/skills/charms
young walrus
^^^
buoyant wasp
relics are shuffled within their own pool
young walrus
a room randomizer will require mapping out every single room in the game to determine if it's possible to get from one door to the other and what abilities are needed for every possible scenario
very tedious
rigid stag
yeah true
young walrus
the item randomizer still has taken a lot of work to prevent possible soft lock scenarios
since you know.... we're doing a lot of unintended stuff
rigid stag
next item defenders crest lol
young walrus
i would highly recommend installing the notch mod too
rigid stag
whats that
young walrus
the game will automatically give you salubra's notches once you reach the requirement of buying them
so.... free notch at 5, 10, 18, and.... can't remember
rigid stag
lol
buoyant wasp
if you stream games, you can also look at the Randomizer overlay (also in the pins) which gives your viewers a view of what charms/skills/spells/etc that you've picked up
rigid stag
wait what
buoyant wasp
basically since it's hard to keep track (as a viewer) what a player has picked up, this overlay is for OBS and lets your viewers see what you've gotten
rigid stag
ah
buoyant wasp
so if they miss you picking up something, they aren't left out in the dark
rigid stag
how do i set that up bc i might want to start streaming this
rigid stag
ah
buoyant wasp
it's pretty straightforward now
buoyant wasp
also, steel soul randomizer, is ballsy
pretty sure sean removed all the shade skips for steel soul
so hopefully you don't find one ๐
buoyant wasp
you die, then use your shade to pogo to some other place
rigid stag
ah
buoyant wasp
like getting up to salubra without claw or dash (or super dash or double jump, etc), you need to die, lure your shade over to the ledge, then pogo off it to get up to her shop
buoyant wasp
are you playing easy or hard rando level ?
rigid stag
easy
solemn rivet
just answering what someone asked a while ago, Blackmoth was pretty much inspired by Lightbringer - it's a reimagining of HK's combat system focused on dashing. Charms and upgrades are changed accordingly
rain cedar
Oh yeah about blackmoth, I think the dash damage randomly breaking is a vanilla bug
Not something with your mod
rain cedar
I just remember seeing something about it on the steam forums
It would be easy to test
Just equip sharp shadow and dash into a chest
See if it breaks
rain cedar
I don't think the damage types thing even existed before grimm troupe
So actually, maybe it doesn't happen now
solemn rivet
anyway, what I did oughta fix it
instead of recalculating damage every time you attack/dash
I created a dashDamage int and KDT gave me the code to have sharp shadow reference it instead of PlayerData.nailDamage
so it shouldn't break ever anymore, since they are intrinsecaly unrelated now
rain cedar
I think that's unrelated
I don't think the problem was that the damage dealt was 0
I think the fsm/gameobject/whatever just broke
solemn rivet
oh, you're talking about that bug
yeah, I dunno what caused it, since it never happened to me
and even for those that it did happen, it didn't seem to happen often
opal shuttle
I did it!
solemn rivet
congrats!
rigid stag
did what
rigid stag
cp?
buoyant wasp
Crystal Peaks
rigid stag
dang fog canyon is dangerous with glowing womb
leaden hedge
should fix blue hearts not appearing
humble sinew
I remember there being a challenge mod with Perm-Glowing womb and nail damage set to 1
Is that still a thing?
rain cedar
@quick ravine was working on that but never released it
fluid field
Hey, bit of a noob-ish question. How do I make the Boss Rush mod work? I've been trying for a while but i'm honestly pretty lost
leaden hedge
have you installed the api?
fluid field
I dropped it in the same folder as the exe, figured that's how it'd work
rain cedar
That's also not where you put the bossrush dll
leaden hedge
you need to install the api from the gdrive
then put it in
Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data\Managed\Mods
fluid field
was missing the path, thanks!
solemn rivet
KDT: did those things make the blue health work?
leaden hedge
yes
quick ravine
@humble sinew I'll be working on it a bit more now that Grimm Troupe is out.
humble sinew
alrighty
lunar nova
new to the whole modding hollow knight thing, tried to make save with randomizer and got this
buoyant wasp
Is this the steam or gog version?
buoyant wasp
cause the path makes me wonder if it's the Gog version, which i think has a different Assembly-Csharp right?
solemn rivet
only slightly, but yeah, different
lunar nova
i also have this
buoyant wasp
different enough to break it ๐
lunar nova
solemn rivet
@lunar nova we need to know platform and version
lunar nova
windows, steam, and it shows 1.2.1.0
solemn rivet
wait - does it show 1.2.1.0 AFTER the mod installation?
lunar nova
yes
solemn rivet
if so, try reverting to vanilla and see what it says
you might be on 1.2.1.4 and trying to run an older version of the mod
buoyant wasp
yeah, that's most likely the case, someone else had that last night
lunar nova
vanilla it says 1.2.1.4
leaden hedge
well then install the 1.2.1.4 api
buoyant wasp
yup, you're definitely running the older API, the drive has 3 versions of it, and they are labeled for your game version
there is one for 1.2.1.4
lunar nova
fixed, thanks
amber plank
@solemn rivet the bug i mentioned yesterday was that the dash stops doing damage during the blackmoth mod alot uselly if i use a spell before or right after dashing or just using my nail before or after dashing not all the time but its happened multible times and its only fixed when i exit to menu and return
solemn rivet
According to sean that's a known vanilla bug
amber plank
alright
solemn rivet
also
solemn rivet
did you try out the latest versions?
amber plank
was it updated recently?
solemn rivet
Today I believe
leaden hedge
@kindred nest btw, with the icon you were doing for the old boss rush if you'd be willing to convert it (or make something new), I added load screens to my bossrush that could do with some artistic flair
solemn rivet
8 hours ago
solemn rivet
thanks for the bug report btw
amber plank
well i think i have problems cause of my playstyle
but otherwise i try to help if i notice it
also something else im not sure if its a bug or not but after getting mothwing cloak or whatever its name was i seem to be able to spam dashes alot more
kinda like if i had dashmaster spam ontop of the already reduced dash cooldown
along with that while having dashmaster the down dash seems to be almost stuck? it moves very veyr little almost like its not moving
rain cedar
Looks like downdash is set to be half speed/length as other dashes
Couldn't tell you why it's like that
amber plank
i know its not like that in the base game so dont know if its a bug or not
i could be wrong
rain cedar
You'd have to ask Gradow if this is a design choice
amber plank
tis why i put this into modding chat he might see it at some point
solemn rivet
Design choice
amber plank
ok
solemn rivet
So you dash up and down and stay relatively stable
amber plank
was just a question cuase i didnt see anything about that in notes
kindred nest
@leaden hedge I can't make promises because I tend to be pretty poor in regards to meeting obligations, but I'll try and whip something up for you. What resolution are you looking for?
leaden hedge
1280x720 is fine
kindred nest
Okey doke. Anything specific in regards to format, or captions or text or what-not?
amber plank
@solemn rivet so quesiton just checked the new update to blackmoth but the folder as only has 1 file is that correct? the charms names are back to the default names and some dont seem to be working also it seems the dash damage as been reduced alot im using sharpended nail upgrade and the basic enemys take 5 dashes to kill
leaden hedge
format can be pretty much whatever,
captions, if you want you can put a place to put the name of the boss,
otherwise go wild
solemn rivet
Which version, spectral? Api or direct dll?
amber plank
@solemn rivet the direct one i think
@solemn rivet didnt know anything about what api is so i assume dll
@solemn rivet also dashmaster up dash seems to combine with the normal jump and when you do the 2 combines you are sent flying up much futher
course this all could be just from using my 1.1.1.8 blackmoth save into the recently updated one
late sphinx
pretty sure only one @ was enough 
amber plank
@solemn rivet doing further testing it seems many of the issues are what happens when you use a blackmoth 1.1.1.8 save in the recent blackmoth update 1.2.1.4 but there are still issues with the 1.2.1.4 blackmoth all charms are default and have not changed and the issue with the dash not doing damages is much more commen
@solemn rivet also using the nail seems to be missing many animations now when you swing a nail its only 1 single fram of the swing but the rest is just the character standing there doing nothing seems to be this way with all nail swings
@solemn rivet this might be because in the new blackmoth folder only 1 file is there while before there were 3
late sphinx
poor gradows gon get 6 notifs
amber plank
how do you install "api" mods?
are they any differnt from just droping files into the right folder?
leaden hedge
you install the api
then put the dll into the managed/mods/ folder
if they come as a zip with hollow_knight_Data just put that into the root folder
the contents of the zip, not the actual zip
amber plank
i dont know how to install a api
buoyant wasp
basically the bonus about the API is that instead of the old way, where each mod had to modify Assembly-CSharp and thus only 1 mod could ever be realistically installed at once, sean and frizen built a version of Assembly-CSharp that could load mods instead ๐
so the API is a mod in and of itself
amber plank
never done api before so im trying to figure it out
buoyant wasp
it's the same as nonapi
just copy to the root of your folder, all the mods pretty much did it so you just copy->paste->win
also, readme's abound
in the mods
brazen bramble
amber plank
so for example the nightmare god grimm mod where do i put that cause its not working
buoyant wasp
so, assuming you have followed the Modding API install directions, there should now be a Mods folder in Hollow Knight/hollow_knight_Data/Managed/
the NGG mod dll goes in that folder, but you shouldn't have to put it there manually, just copy the hollow_knight_Data folder from the NGG zip, and paste it on top of the existing hollow_knight_data folder. It'll put the dll where it belongs
amber plank
thanks again sorry im new to this api think
thing
so would it be better to use an api over the normal varient of a mod if both are avaible
buoyant wasp
in general, it is easier because it makes swapping mods around as simple as moving them in/out of the Mod folder
I tend to have a folder inside the Mods folder called "Disabled" where i stick them
Most mods are moving towards the api version only because it makes updating for new releases much, much easier
dapper folio
only the api has to worry about HK versions, right?
rain cedar
That's the idea, yeah
dapper folio
TC Mod support when
buoyant wasp
heh
rain cedar
The modding system as is essentially allows anyone to run any arbitrary code they want
Which could be a bit dangerous
So I don't really blame them for not wanting to integrating it
late sphinx
what's nightmare god grimm mod
buoyant wasp
it makes Nightmare King Grimm dramatically harder
late sphinx
how so
trim totem
ArtIfiSHuL DifFicuLtY
buoyant wasp
Spike pillars now spawn constantly, he uppercuts after his flame dive, he always does the double dragon fire thing, he has more health, spikes do more damage later in the fight, and for the final 25% a 2nd copy of Grimm is spawned. and probably a few other things
AFAIK, no one has beat it yet
unless trinomi did it today
trim totem
hard but fair
late sphinx
where can i get this mod
oh
there's a lot
i gotta check these out
i'm not trying glass soul
amber plank
glass steel soul all the way ๐
late sphinx
wait does glass soul have the same properties as steel soul or is it just the normal game but with permenant 1 hp
amber plank
glass soul is normal game with 1 hp
amber plank
and will always be 1 hp
i kinda wana see someone do glass steel soul 1 hp perma death
late sphinx
glass soul is like playing the entire game while trying to keep the white flower
or whatever it's called
dapper folio
glass soul also increases nail damage
late sphinx
oh it does?
dapper folio
it's also technically not 1hp always
late sphinx
by how much
dapper folio
it's actually just you die in one hit
amber plank
yea i forgot about that
dapper folio
fury charm doesn't work in glass soul
amber plank
the bonus damage
dapper folio
lightbringer replaces fury with glass soul charm
amber plank
also make sure to check their version
alot of them are not updated to recent versions of hollowknight
late sphinx
oh
amber plank
youll have to downgrade and download prevois versions to play some of them
amber plank
my personal favorites are blackmoth and lightbringer as they change charms and the way you have to play and fight ing the game
dapper folio
each zip file will tell you what version it's for or if you need to use the API
I've only ever tried four of the mods
lightbringer, glass soul, debug, and boss rush
late sphinx
i can't find what version boss rush is at
buoyant wasp
boss rush is like 3 days old
it's on current patch
๐
it's also 3 days old, so....bugs beware
you can poke KDT if you find problems with it
dapper folio
if there's no version number but it has an API tag, use the API for version compatability
drop and drag
it's all meant to be drop and drag into the install folder
rain cedar
Just start a new game
late sphinx
just did that
rain cedar
Then you're either in the boss rush or you installed it wrong
buoyant wasp
if you start a new game in boss rush, as soon as you load, it will teleport you to False Knight
you can tell if it's installed because it will show a Version# in the upper left hand corner
rain cedar
Isn't Gruz Mother the first one?
late sphinx
huh
rain cedar
I see
rain cedar
Guess their order doesn't matter too much
late sphinx
wait so where do i put dll
buoyant wasp
mine is from yesterday ๐
you should unzip the contents into the Hollow Knight folder, it should have put a BossRush dll into hollow_knight_Data/Managed/Mods/
buoyant wasp
it gets created when you install the Modding API (which is required)
late sphinx
oh
buoyant wasp
(also in the drive)
dapper folio
i'm gonna go through all the mods, make sure they're all zipped properly
late sphinx
where does is modding api
buoyant wasp
late sphinx
o thx
dapper folio
all the zips that need to be fixed... I only personally zipped the boss rush one...
late sphinx
yeeeee
rain cedar
I'm seeing a pattern of Gradow's uploads being problematic
dapper folio
it's just that he's zipping the folder that contains the data folder and readme instead of just zipping the data folder and readme
zip the contents, not the folder
late sphinx
there goes false knight
rain cedar
I see
buoyant wasp
he tends to hang out on the right side of the room in boss rush for some reason
at least for the first half of the fight
amber plank
how do you start the boss rush?
late sphinx
you just start a new game
amber plank
ah for me its a bit buggy
starting with grimmchild?
no hp showing
wait nvm'
toke 30 sec for hp to showup
but yea im starting with baby grimchild
?
amber plank
oh oh beat false knight your suposed to get grimmchild
nvm
no bugs then
wlel hp takes a bit to showup and i spawn ontop of enemys but
no its fine
neet
buoyant wasp
yeah the health thing is a side effect of the way the game starts. grimmchild baby i think is there so that if you pickup grimchild level1 it works.
at least, I think that's why he did it that way
late sphinx
so far i've only been able to kill 2 watcher knights
also i find it poopy that i can't dash after hornet
unless dashing was one of the options
that i missed accidentally
amber plank
watcher knights are my weakness
late sphinx
i found that the desolate dive works well on them
amber plank
indeed
but still
beat zote 10 today fine fights watcher knights kill me plz
i sitll think its funny i have harder time with eatcher knights then alot of bosses
rain cedar
Oh, interesting
I just spawned oob at radiance
@leaden hedge I think you put the coords in wrong there
amber plank
i asked cause i got grimm really early on
buoyant wasp
the first grimm is earlyish
amber plank
fair enough
buoyant wasp
nightmare grimm should be 2nd to last i think
amber plank
who be last/
late sphinx
probably radiance
buoyant wasp
this is the order, bunch of code, but the names are fairly obvious in these 15 lines
Radiance is last
looks like some bosses aren't in yet due to some technical issues
buoyant wasp
Vessel
buoyant wasp
hey, at least it isn't NKG with nail 0, no spells, no charms, no movement. i might know someone who subjected themselves to that....
the fight was only 17 minutes...
amber plank
i mean i beat nkg with only the basic nail upgrade cause my game was bugged so lol
buoyant wasp
https://go.twitch.tv/videos/185729628 < he didn't have dash, wings, spells, skills, charms, and nail0.
amber plank
its random
a chance to become avaible for pickup
but yea found very bad bug dont pick joni bellsing in boss rush
dapper folio
what's a bellsing?
trim totem
why
amber plank
ignoring dargons/ if you pick up joni blessing in boss rush it converts all hp to 1
just 1
amber plank
also during the false knight fight you gotta start swing instanlt cause if the enemy knocks you off gotta restart
dapper folio
how dare you ignore me 
late sphinx
please don't stab them
dapper folio
๐ช Spectra
give Blackmoth a shot
I'd recommend Lightbringer, but it hasnt been updated yet
buoyant wasp
i wonder if the randomization for bossrush is only called at game start
amber plank
@dapper folio ๐
lightbringer and blackmoth are cool
lightbringer brings a ranged combot style while blackmoth is dash bsed
based*
currently the blackmoth version thats not api is bugged
and the lightbringer one is 1.1.1.8
buoyant wasp
@leaden hedge - i'm pretty sure your function for randomizing stuff in boss rush is broken. It seems even if you quit to menu, delete save, start new save, you get the exact same item layouts, only seem to be able to get new ones by restartin gHK
also just had a gruz where she died, but droped 0 shinies, so was softlocked
leaden hedge
did you reload after killing FK
oh and that mawlek thing where she gets stuck on the right side is a bug with 1.2.1.x afaik
also the grimmchild is equipped because it makes it much easier to enable the grimm fight and give level ups
amber plank
boss rush seems a bit buggy still got joni blessing and reduced hp to 1 perma
leaden hedge
yes that happens
amber plank
also grimmchild doesnt evolve or lvl up when i pick that choice?
amber plank
oh so the first one counts as baby?
leaden hedge
yes
amber plank
mmm
leaden hedge
you need to get 2 to get 2nd level
amber plank
k
oh yea tehres also the thing during the start of the fk fight the enemys can knock you off and you cant get back up
sense at times they can strike you before it finishs loading
amber plank
ah
leaden hedge
I guess I could go and delete every enemy from that room
amber plank
its fine im just reporting everything i can to help
also the guzzmother i think is its name
the boss right after false knight
it seems wierd cause
it seems to let me pick up one of the 3 for free but then chose another
leaden hedge
did you do it without getting hit
amber plank
yea its an easy fight
leaden hedge
if you do a boss without getting hit you get a bonus pickup
amber plank
ah
i thought it was buggy cause it say like i got wayward compass or some other item
and i be like wat?
leaden hedge
yeah wayward compass, gathering swarm, grubsong are lookups
so if you pickup wayward the mod then says, hey you picked up the Left item
so give them the left item
leaden hedge
I might put tips into the loading screen
amber plank
honestly its funny i gotta pray to rng to get good stuff before watcher knights
those are my weakness lol
leaden hedge
you really want dive before flukemarm
and you really want flukenest and shade soul asap
leaden hedge
technically WK should be later
but a lot of people speedrun
and have a lot of practice killing WK with nothing
leaden hedge
fluke is probably the hardest fight with nail0
amber plank
sweet jesus inded
leaden hedge
you really need nail3 or dive
amber plank
how does dive help on fluke?
its kinda not on the ground?
anyway but yea those 2 i ahve major problems with
i think i got as far as collector before but joni messed me up sadly
like radancea nkg zote 10 are easyier at times then watcher knights and fluke when you fight them early
this si just me complaining lol
leaden hedge
this adds grubsong, wayward, gathering swarm into the pool, and fixes radiance spawn point
slate owl
What exactly does the Modding API do?
late sphinx
allows you to install certain mods
slate owl
Interesting. Any example how on to use it?
leaden hedge
if you want to look through some source
https://github.com/KayDeeTee/hk-bossrush/tree/master/src heres bossrush
the only important thing is you have a class that inherits from Mod
and it has
public override void Initialize()
you can PlayerData.instance.xxx if you want
you can access anything inside the normal assembly
and everything it references
slate owl
And how would I compile it?
leaden hedge
with any csharp compiler to a dll
slate owl
And add a reference to the original game dll and the modding dll?
leaden hedge
all you need is
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data\Managed\
in your reference paths
slate owl
Ok good.
leaden hedge
heres a pretty much empty mod
so you can see the bare minimum to get it to compile and load
buoyant wasp
you can still, of course, modify game code directly via dnspy, but then
- your mod can be the only installed
- your mod has to be manually re applied every time there is a release ๐
solemn rivet
so, I was looking through the assembly with dnspy
and noticed a new class
GOGIntegrator
and I was using the steam version
are they the same now?
looks like it's simply a fix to sync achievs between saves
vale zenith
yo @buoyant wasp looks awesome
buoyant wasp
what does?
rain cedar
buoyant wasp
oh, hah, ๐ thanks
vale zenith
I'll try to make another improvement to the process soon
buoyant wasp
cool. the next real thing I can see making it better is trying to figure out how to use IL to inject the necessary changes between first and 2nd pass
because those things don't really need to worry about putting something directly inside of an existing method (where stuff like patches are likely to change things)
timber gale
Do you think you could put an installation guide in the modding api's README? I am but a scrub and don't know where to put it
rain cedar
Yeah the readme is kinda lacking
Debug mod has a good readme
Can't remember if I bothered making a good one for randomizer
Just put the files in your game directory
timber gale
thx
buoyant wasp
wasn't there a thought at some point of making a mod-manager?
I think i remember seeing stuff about that when i first started here
vale zenith
Someone made a simple one that just replacred dlls
But with the API we can move it ingame
rain cedar
Should be pretty simple to make a menu that just calls Unload/Initialize based on whether you're enabling/disabling it
Problem with that being I don't think any mods actually implement Unload right now
But we could do it anyway
buoyant wasp
well we could switch unload/initialize from virtual to abstract, to force mods to start implementing them
one thing i was thinking was that we need to add was some sort of UI helper to allow for easier/consistent main menu additions
rain cedar
Yeah, that makes sense
Right now with how much space randomizer takes up on the mode selection screen it's pretty likely to overlap any mod that makes changes there as well
buoyant wasp
yup
i'd almost wonder if there isn't a way to inject a new scene between the screen that the randomizer currently occupies and when the game starts so that if a mod wanted to do stuff, after you click "classic" or "steel soul" (or between the save file selection and the mode selection). I know we can't change the UI itself (at least I think you said we hadn't figured that out yet)
(i haven't looked, so i'm just theorizing)
rain cedar
Adding to the existing UI would probably involve modifying some state machine at runtime
Not sure, haven't really looked into it much
slate owl
Cant you use panels that can be closed or opened?
buoyant wasp
well, randomizer currently puts stuff on top, which is fine, but it means that we're still limited to what space is available on the screen we're adding stuff to
buoyant wasp
if we could create a new intermediary screen where it's a blank slate, then we have lots of realestate. and yeah, having tabs was kind of my thought too
timber gale
Ok so, I installed the modding api and the debug mod. Currently, I cannot open any past saves and when i make a new game it uses my charm setup from my 106% run. I have the hotkey for my character to disapear but i don't know how to make the rest of the UI show up
timber gale
I believe so, api 2.1.4
rain cedar
And you're on Windows/Steam?
timber gale
yep, win7
rain cedar
Alright
timber gale
This is probably me installing it wrong.
rain cedar
Can you send me the ModLog.txt file from your save folder?
rain cedar
Press win+r and paste this in:
%appdata%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight
rain cedar
There is a folder called DebugMod in the debug mod archive
You either didn't copy that in or put it in the wrong spot
timber gale
ok, where do I need to put it
rain cedar
Same folder as the exe
The folder structure is set up so you can just drag everything into the game folder
timber gale
I think I may have dragged it into the hollow_knight_data folder instead
rain cedar
I see
timber gale
Yup that seems to have fixed the issue, thank you!
buoyant wasp
@rain cedar -any objections to adding the MIT license to the API (mostly to explicitely avoid some sort of Kein repeat)?
buoyant wasp
@leaden hedge, did the latest boss rush fix the randomization issue where the item drops are identical in every run (unless you restart the game)
leaden hedge
probably not