#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 22

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 8:58 PM

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no, it's fine

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I have no idea how you even managed to write this, or even understand the json enough to come to the conclusion you needed to do this

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but I guess that's fine

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 8:59 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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the parameters are slightly off

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because playerDataBoolTest doesn't offset correctly

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📎 unknown.png

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although, playerDataBoolTest, has a true / false string that says what event its doing

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but its either a variable or a literaly so hollowface

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:02 PM

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that makes SO much more sense now

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:03 PM

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yeah in the case charm_19 isn't equipped it calls finished

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and instantly goes to the end state

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skipping the last setFsmInt

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:04 PM

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yup

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I honestly got it from that

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:05 PM

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at some point ill actually get this viewer to a usable state

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:13 PM

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I had to change int basedamage = 20; to byte basedamage = 20;

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:14 PM

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oh yeah

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:14 PM

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will it break everything and make my life miserable?

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:14 PM

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no

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you can't add an int to a byte array

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:14 PM

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yup

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first I thought of doing a typecast, but simple declaring it as a byte made way more sense

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:14 PM

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technically you should do int -> bytearray

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then value[0] = bytearray[0]

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value[1] = bytearray[1]

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but I doubt spells will do over 255 damage

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:15 PM

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okay

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yeah

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:15 PM

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unless you made a spell that used all your soul at once hollowface

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to do loads of damage

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:15 PM

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like everything else I'll make it so it's not THAT op

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that is actually a nice idea

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some sort of ultimate

buoyant wasp Oct 18, 2017, 9:21 PM

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"but I doubt spells will do over 255 damage" - The exact same thing that has resulted in the speedrunning bugs of 1 shotting bosses for decades

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:21 PM

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now I'm getting a null reference error

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fml

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Wyza: "but I doubt spells will do over 255 damage" - The exact same thing that has resulted in the speedrunning bugs of 1 shotting bosses for decades
hidden feature of the bonfire mod: you can underflow your spell damage and do 255

buoyant wasp Oct 18, 2017, 9:22 PM

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pretty much

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:22 PM

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er do you have go set hollowface

buoyant wasp Oct 18, 2017, 9:23 PM

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overflow/underflow is like the bread and butter of glitches the world over because the dev either didn't think it'd be possible to go outside those bounds, or they were somehow constrained by the environment

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:23 PM

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wouldn't really make a difference

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infact this makes it better if theres an underflow

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otherwise it'd unflow to 2.1b damage instead of 255

buoyant wasp Oct 18, 2017, 9:24 PM

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255 damage vs 32k?

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:24 PM

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I'm simply calling that code you posted earlier inside PlayMakerUnity2DProxy.Start()

buoyant wasp Oct 18, 2017, 9:24 PM

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i guess it depends on the size of the int 😃

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:24 PM

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32bit

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32k is a short

buoyant wasp Oct 18, 2017, 9:24 PM

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ah, right, i so rarely work with something that small.

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:25 PM

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and thats a signed one too, a short is a 65535

buoyant wasp Oct 18, 2017, 9:25 PM

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though a regular int is -2.1b to 2.1b isn't it?

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or is that a signed int

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ah, right, signed int lets you go negative

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:26 PM

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4,294,967,295 is max unsigned int

buoyant wasp Oct 18, 2017, 9:26 PM

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unsigned is >= 0

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so i guess it'd be good too since going below 0 with the signed int would mean that you'd be healing enemies (maybe?, dunno if the damage calculation checks the value that way )

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:29 PM

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yes you can't go negative with this setup

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as -1 byte just = 255 when converted to an int

buoyant wasp Oct 18, 2017, 9:30 PM

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that'd be an interesting thing to have happen though, some sort of vampiric/leech mechanic on enemies that would cause them to heal instead of get hurt in certain cases

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though with a lack of health indicators, that'd probably be more frustrating than fun

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:31 PM

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I think the most interesting thing you could do, is make certain enemies heal others

buoyant wasp Oct 18, 2017, 9:32 PM

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ooh, that'd be neat

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:35 PM

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here's how it's set-up:

    {
        PlayMakerFSM fsm = FSMUtility.LocateFSM(go, "Set Damage");
        for (int i = 0; i < fsm.FsmStates.Length; i++)
        {
            if (fsm.FsmStates[i].Name == "Set Damage")
            {
                FieldInfo[] fieldInfo = typeof(ActionData).GetFields(BindingFlags.Instance | BindingFlags.Public | BindingFlags.NonPublic);
                for (int j = 0; j < fieldInfo.Length; j++)
                {
                    if (fieldInfo[j].Name == "byteData")
                    {
                        List<byte> value = new List<byte>();
                        byte basedamage = 0;
                        value[0] = basedamage;
                        byte shamandamage = 30;
                        value[14] = shamandamage;
                        fieldInfo[j].SetValue(fsm.FsmStates[i].ActionData, value);
                        fsm.FsmStates[i].LoadActions();
                    }
                }
            }
        }
    }```

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and it's called in PlayMakerUnity2DProxy.Start() when the go has "damages_enemy"

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:38 PM

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are you doing it on upspell or fireball?

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:38 PM

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any of them

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even slash

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:39 PM

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ok do Debug.Log(0) Debug.Log(1) etc

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between each line

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and see what the biggest number is

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:39 PM

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ok

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btw, here's the error:

  at ModData.spellDamage (UnityEngine.GameObject go) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PlayMakerUnity2DProxy.Start () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
 
(Filename:  Line: -1)```

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:40 PM

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PlayMakerFSM fsm or FieldInfo[] fieldInfo

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is null

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:42 PM

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it returns that for every go

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if I don't restrict it to only run on go that have "damages_enemy" then every line in output.txt is that exception, with no "FSM Name: "

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yeah, it's completely overriding the code

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not even printing how many times it has run

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:46 PM

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Do HutongGames.PlayMaker.ActionData instead

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in the typeof

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:47 PM

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this reminds me of when I was trying to implement a castlevania-like bestiary which shows which enemy you've hit last in the bottom right

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no matter what I did, it always returned this error

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actually, I did manage to fix it

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nvm

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  at ModData.spellDamage (UnityEngine.GameObject go) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PlayMakerUnity2DProxy.Start () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
 
(Filename:  Line: -1)

ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Argument is out of range.
Parameter name: index
  at System.Collections.Generic.List`1[System.Byte].set_Item (Int32 index, Byte value) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at ModData.spellDamage (UnityEngine.GameObject go) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PlayMakerUnity2DProxy.Start () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
 
(Filename:  Line: -1)```

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welp

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:49 PM

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did it run on something thatisn't a spell?

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print out the object name and tag

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:50 PM

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I tried

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here's the call:

        {
            GameManager.instance.modData.spellDamage(base.gameObject);
            Debug.Log("FSM name: " + base.gameObject.name);
        }```

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it's not printing any FSM names tho

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:51 PM

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put it before the spellDamage call

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:51 PM

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ok

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(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

FSM tag: Hero Spell
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at ModData.spellDamage (UnityEngine.GameObject go) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PlayMakerUnity2DProxy.Start () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
 
(Filename:  Line: -1)```

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same thing for every other spell

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(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

FSM tag: Hero Spell
 
(Filename: C:/buildslave/unity/build/artifacts/generated/common/runtime/UnityEngineDebugBindings.gen.cpp Line: 42)

ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Argument is out of range.
Parameter name: index
  at System.Collections.Generic.List`1[System.Byte].set_Item (Int32 index, Byte value) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at ModData.spellDamage (UnityEngine.GameObject go) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PlayMakerUnity2DProxy.Start () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
 
(Filename:  Line: -1)```

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and so on

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wait

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:55 PM

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no Hit U worked ish hollowface

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:55 PM

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yep

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just noticed

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:55 PM

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it got arguement out of range

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:55 PM

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maybe Fireball(Clone) doesn't have a "Set Damage" fsm?

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:55 PM

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it doesn't

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I said this hollowface

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:55 PM

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:x

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:55 PM

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it has too many interactions

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but it only hits once

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so just changing damageDealt works

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:56 PM

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fml

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:56 PM

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not sure how fireball works

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they did something different because of flukenest / shamanstone / defenders crest

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:57 PM

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is the fsm called "damageDealt" or "Damage Dealt"?

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 9:57 PM

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damageDealt is the variable in damages_enemy

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 9:57 PM

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oh yeah

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okay, no errors

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now to see if it works

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so, it worked... Until it stopped working

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fireball passed through everything...

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dive still killed things

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and the edge of scream's hitbox also still killed things

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but then fireball began killing stuff too

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Object Pool attached to GlobalPool has run out of Fireball prefabs, Instantiating an additional one. this might be the cause

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the new instantiated fireball must be somehow skipping the damage check

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 10:37 PM

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hmm

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I'll look into it later zzz

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 10:38 PM

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the two first fireballs don't do damage

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every one after that does

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 10:39 PM

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rip

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 10:39 PM

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here's the code, if you're interested:

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{
    if (FSMUtility.LocateFSM(go, "Set Damage") != null)
    {
        PlayMakerFSM fsm = FSMUtility.LocateFSM(go, "Set Damage");
        for (int i = 0; i < fsm.FsmStates.Length; i++)
        {
            if (fsm.FsmStates[i].Name == "Set Damage")
            {
                FieldInfo[] fieldInfo = typeof(ActionData).GetFields(BindingFlags.Instance | BindingFlags.Public | BindingFlags.NonPublic);
                for (int j = 0; j < fieldInfo.Length; j++)
                {
                    if (fieldInfo[j].Name == "byteData")
                    {
                        List<byte> value = new List<byte>();
                        int basedamage = 0;
                        value[0] = (byte)basedamage;
                        int shamandamage = 30;
                        value[14] = (byte)shamandamage;
                        fieldInfo[j].SetValue(fsm.FsmStates[i].ActionData, value);
                        fsm.FsmStates[i].LoadActions();
                        Debug.Log(i.ToString() + j.ToString());
                    }
                }
            }
        }
        return;
    }
    if (go.tag == "Hero Spell" || go.name == "Q Fall Damage")
    {
        FSMUtility.LocateFSM(go, "damages_enemy").FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("damageDealt").Value = 0;
    }
}```

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for dive and scream, the first code returns this exception

Parameter name: index
  at System.Collections.Generic.List`1[System.Byte].set_Item (Int32 index, Byte value) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at ModData.spellDamage (UnityEngine.GameObject go) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at PlayMakerUnity2DProxy.Start () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 ```

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 10:41 PM

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unrelated heres the fsm_viewer, most things work now

📎 fsm_viewer.zip

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 10:42 PM

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dive only works the first time, fireball only works two times

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 10:42 PM

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weird

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 10:43 PM

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scream seems to work undefinitely, BUT the hitbox is broken

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if the enemy is "inside" the scream, it doesn't get hit

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if it's on the border of the scream animation, it gets hit

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 10:43 PM

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probably another fsm

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its probably like 4 hitboxes

solemn rivet Oct 18, 2017, 10:43 PM

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yeah

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like, the reason dive breaks on the first time is that Q Fall Damage only runs once, but Hit L/R run 3 times per cast

leaden hedge Oct 18, 2017, 10:49 PM

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ignore that one hollowface

📎 fsm_viewer.zip

solemn rivet Oct 19, 2017, 1:10 AM

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So, since I have time to think about implementing Int properly, I'm thinking about the balance of the mod

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and for that purpose I've started to put together a google sheets with all the data for stat increases

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a95HWAF9lwtAWgNrBf6jA8Yk07V8VDI1MafpaEhD0nU/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

Bonfire Mod Stats Sheet

MAIN

Level, Geo, Delta Geo, Total Geo to Lv 50
1, 61, 0, 58175
2, 74, 13
3, 89, 15
4, 106, 17
5, 125, 19
6, 146, 21
7, 169, 23
8, 194, 25
9, 221, 27
10, 250, 29
11, 281, 31
12, 314, 33
13, 349, 35
14, 386, 37
15, 425, 39
16, 466, 41
17, 509, 43
18, 554, 45
19, 601, 47
20, 6...

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I would be very grateful if anyone could comment on those numbers

buoyant obsidian Oct 19, 2017, 3:04 AM

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That actually looks really nice

dapper folio Oct 19, 2017, 4:15 AM

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delta geo?

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oh, the change in geo required

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looks good to me

buoyant obsidian Oct 19, 2017, 4:21 AM

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It's geo with like a different type

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fire instead of rock and such

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 4:24 AM

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@cedar raven / @young walrus - I've pushed updated version of the beta for the tracker. Fixes:

- Initial Setup is now easier.  Instead of having the copy pasta url to start it, just go to Index.html, it'll get things all pre-configured. (including prompting you for the size you stream at to preset the size of the container)
- Fixes Void heart always showing/ kingsoul never showing. Should now properly show left/right/full/void.  Probably never going to be used in a rando, but it'll still handle it now
- Sly's key now has a 2nd border that is red if you given him the key (instead of it disappearing/going grey as if you never picked it up).  So Grey = not gotten, Green = gotten, but not given, red = given.
- Added a button to give you the URL to copy.  In non-local versions, this will, (hopefully), generate a goo.gl tiny URL instead of copypasta.  That's still a bit experimental, and since you're both running locally right now, doesn't really matter.

basically same as the last beta build. download the zip, and run Index.html. for Mickely, add your usual ?url=gamingpc.

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 4:25 AM

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@buoyant wasp : @lethal path spells were showing lv2 when they weren't hollowface

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ciplax said his worked fine though

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 4:26 AM

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hmm

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k

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i'll take a look, i haven't seen that, but that definitely means nothing

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 4:28 AM

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he left when he ended his stream

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to go pick up some papers or smth

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 4:31 AM

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@lethal path - when you get back, does your save file still have the spells in that state? if so, can you send it over to me? want to try and replicate the problem

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 4:32 AM

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I'll download and try it out tomorrow

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 4:32 AM

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np

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 4:32 AM

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Same link as before to download it?

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 4:32 AM

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https://github.com/iamwyza/HollowKnightRandomizerTracker/tree/dev this one

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 4:34 AM

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I'll probably ask you for it again tomorrow. Lol

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Unless you wanna just PM it to me

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 4:34 AM

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done 😃

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 4:34 AM

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👍

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 5:01 AM

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@rain cedar - any reason there isn't a button to generate a new random number for the seed? I noticed that it generates the random number the first time you click the randomizer button (which sets it to easy), then clicking gain to go to "hard" doesn't change the seed #. Would assume the seed # would be different for easy hard?

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 5:03 AM

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The seed doesn't contain anything that determines easy/hard

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It's just separate generation, so you get separate permutations for the same seed based on difficulty/steel soul

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 5:04 AM

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ah

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 5:08 AM

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did you see the message in race discussion?

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 5:08 AM

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Yeah I'm working on it

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There is state "Check" on "Toll Gate Machine" FSM with string of value "hasLantern"

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Just gonna change that to always be true

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 5:09 AM

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I uploaded a version of the fsm viewer btw

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 5:09 AM

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Oh cool, I'll use that next time

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A lot easier than what I'm doing

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 5:10 AM

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its up about 6hrs ago

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its not perfect, gotta add more parameter types

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and add arrays etc

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and floats don't work for somereason dunno why

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 5:12 AM

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Weird

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 5:22 AM

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@leaden hedge @rain cedar - not sure which of you can fix this, but found a bug with PlayerDataTracker and rnd.js

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if rnd.js exists

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but i load a non-randomized save file. when i request "random" from the tracker, it serves up that file. Can we have a check in there to see if the save file is a randomizer save file and return undefined if it isn't

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 5:24 AM

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I could update that to check against mods

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oh wait

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you mean if the save isn't randomized at all

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 5:24 AM

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right

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 5:24 AM

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I thought sean deleted rnd.js on load if it wasnt randomized

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 5:24 AM

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nope

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or at least, not for cisplax or I

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 5:25 AM

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I was going to but I thought I didn't have to do that anymore

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 5:25 AM

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its just that one case, it needs deleting

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unless theres something in the file

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to determine if its random or not

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I can just check that then

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 5:27 AM

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right, basically just need to know "is this save a randomizer save or a non-randomizer save". if there is something in the playerdata.instance, i can use that too

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 5:37 AM

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@buoyant wasp Just put one up that removes the rnd.js on file load/new game

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 5:39 AM

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thanks

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 6:15 AM

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@leaden hedge - when there is no rando file, if i send("random"), it doesn't return anything at all. Looks like you need to check for the files existance. If it doesn't exist can "random" return, something like { "disabled" : true }

10/19/2017 1:11:01 AM|Error|WebSocket.messages:0|System.IO.IsolatedStorage.IsolatedStorageException: Could not find file "C:\Users\iamwy\AppData\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\rnd.js".
                              at System.IO.FileStream..ctor (System.String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, Boolean anonymous, FileOptions options) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
                              at System.IO.FileStream..ctor (System.String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
                              at System.IO.File.OpenRead (System.String path) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
                              at System.IO.StreamReader..ctor (System.String path, System.Text.Encoding encoding, Boolean detectEncodingFromByteOrderMarks, Int32 bufferSize) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
                              at System.IO.StreamReader..ctor (System.String path, System.Text.Encoding encoding) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
                              at System.IO.File.ReadAllText (System.String path, System.Text.Encoding encoding) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
                              at System.IO.File.ReadAllText (System.String path) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
                              at PlayerDataDump.SocketServer.getRandom () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 11:03 AM

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@buoyant wasp Tracker isn't showing mothwing cloak for ciplax

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I think I have an idea for getting isma's tear into the randomizer without too much effort

vale zenith Oct 19, 2017, 12:40 PM

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Oh no

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Also go to sleep Sean

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 12:40 PM

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You go to sleep

opal shuttle Oct 19, 2017, 12:50 PM

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Randomizer? Can you elaborate

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 12:54 PM

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Swaps item placement semi-randomly

opal shuttle Oct 19, 2017, 12:55 PM

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So I can get monarch wings instead of mothwing cape?

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 12:55 PM

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That's the idea, yeah

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Charms and spells included, too

civic hatch Oct 19, 2017, 12:57 PM

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Also it is coded in a way that you cant softlock yourself

opal shuttle Oct 19, 2017, 12:57 PM

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That's very interesting, actually

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For example, if you get desolate dive instead of vengeful spirit, you'll have to go to Crystal peak first

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Although technically, you can already go there before greenpath...

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 1:12 PM

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Alright I'm at least 80% sure there's no problems with this implementation for isma's

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Uploaded the new build with that and shape of unn

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 1:44 PM

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@rain cedar I don't know if its intended, but the randomizer (at least in the 20 or so tests I did), would almost never spawn 2 requirement items in the same "pool", so once you get an item that lets you go to different items you might aswell assume the rest of the items that you could get to previously were garbage.

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I assume a side-effect of the new algorithm to reduce the chances of loads of items being in shops

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 1:45 PM

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When did you update? Used to be you would never get two useful items in one set of reachable items

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But I changed that

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 1:45 PM

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yesterday

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 1:45 PM

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Yeah, get the latest build, should be better

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It still might be too rare

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Hard to balance this

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 1:46 PM

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it probably depends on the first item you get

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 1:47 PM

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Yeah for sure it depends pretty heavily on how powerful the first items you can get are

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 1:47 PM

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I think that it should depends on the size of the pool of items

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 1:48 PM

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It does

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That just means it depends on item power as well, indirectly

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Better item -> Larger pool of reachable items

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 1:48 PM

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ye I got myself a spreadsheet hollowface

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 1:49 PM

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You can just look at the randomization on github if you want

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https://github.com/MyEyes/RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod/Randomizer.cs

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I'm open to suggestions on how to improve it

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Function name is Randomize

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Line 596

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Guess I should put some comments in that function before I forget what I was going for

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 1:57 PM

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do you need cdash to get to ismas if you have ismas?

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 1:58 PM

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Unless you do the skip past the spike tunnel, yeah

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But I haven't tried that so I don't know how hard it is

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Maybe I'll add it in if it's not too bad

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 1:58 PM

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you added glowing womb skip in

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 1:59 PM

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I think the glowing womb tunnel is more lenient

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I didn't have trouble getting it

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Maybe I got lucky

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 2:02 PM

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it looks hards :S

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what do you need for that skip?

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:03 PM

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dash, fireball and claw iirc

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:10 PM

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and was the requirement for greenpath changed with MoP and longnail?

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:12 PM

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Nah it's still at mark of pride only

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I'm a bit hesitant to change that because the randomizer would almost never choose to make you do that

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It's very biased towards the single item requirements early on right now

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:14 PM

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could it tie longnail to MoP instead? so.... have it keep the MoP requirement, but if MoP spawns in the first area, then Longnail has to?

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:15 PM

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I think that's overcomplicating things

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:16 PM

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yeah. would keep the requirement bias the same though shrugs

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..... i just don't want to do MoP only. lol

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:16 PM

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I'd be more afraid of the crystal peak dark room than that if I were you

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:16 PM

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meh.

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i'm not too worried about that

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plus there's always the slow safety strat

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....farming for lantern.

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hollowomg

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:17 PM

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Sounds fun

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:18 PM

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why is this seed a thing 312908378

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make lantern cheaper imo if you're going to do this

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:18 PM

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What's wrong with that seed?

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:19 PM

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you can interact with the toll

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in the dark

opal shuttle Oct 19, 2017, 2:19 PM

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The lantern might be something else too?

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:19 PM

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oh you can now?

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:19 PM

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no. lantern is static

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:19 PM

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Yeah KDT I changed that to make it not grindy

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Still hard, just not awful

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:19 PM

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can at least get to dream nail now

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:19 PM

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its still pretty bad

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:20 PM

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just have to do 1 dark room

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:20 PM

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nah this seed, gotta do dreamnail to get glowing womb, then you've gotta desolate dive

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then kill flukemarm to get vs

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then queen station skip

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:21 PM

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Why would you have to do queen station with fireball?

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If you can get to soul master you can get past the station easily

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Or even just enter from crossroads

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 2:22 PM

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@cedar raven - was mothwing cloak not showing on the current overlay, or the new beta branch version? (i know you have both, wasn't sure which you were using)

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:22 PM

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can you get to fungal with just dive?

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:22 PM

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Oh I see you meant you get dive from something

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:22 PM

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or is there a mistake with flukenest only requiring dive

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:22 PM

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Not that you have to go to dive

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:23 PM

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i mean.... that's still pretty intuitive though. there's only 1 route you can go with just dive

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:23 PM

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Is flukenest even possible with just dive?

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I might have to change that

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:23 PM

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i believe it is

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you just can't get out

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:24 PM

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        <requirements>
            <requirementSet easy="true" hard="true" hardpermadeath="true">
                <requirement>Mantis Claw</requirement>
                <requirement>Desolate Dive</requirement>
            </requirementSet>
            <requirementSet easy="true" hard="true" hardpermadeath="true">
                <requirement>Mantis Claw</requirement>
                <requirement>Descending Dark</requirement>
            </requirementSet>
            <requirementSet easy="false" hard="true" hardpermadeath="true">
                <requirement>Desolate Dive</requirement>
            </requirementSet>
            <requirementSet easy="false" hard="true" hardpermadeath="true">
                <requirement>Descending Dark</requirement>
            </requirementSet>
        </requirements>

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yep it is

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:24 PM

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How do you get to City with just dive, though?

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:24 PM

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break the ground

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:24 PM

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down through grave

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:24 PM

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near soul eater

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:24 PM

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yeah

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:24 PM

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Oh yeah

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Man I don't even remember the reasoning for half these requirements I put

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That makes sense, though

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 2:24 PM

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how do you get up to resting grounds with just dive?

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:24 PM

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is there even a simple key nearby

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via peaks

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:24 PM

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crystal peaks

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dark room

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:24 PM

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Worst case scenario buy the key from sly

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 2:25 PM

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oh, right, changed 😃

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:25 PM

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that would definitely be worst case. lol

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 2:25 PM

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hmm

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could you get hte key that 100% uses?

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:25 PM

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Nah Mick it's not bad since you can get to Lemm with just dive

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So 950 wouldn't be grindy

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 2:25 PM

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the one to the left of the save room near soul master?

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:25 PM

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it would a little. not many relics you can get with just dive

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:26 PM

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Yeah, you can get a couple pretty easily, though

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Might have to grind a few hundred

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:26 PM

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could get the one in CoT on the right

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can kill gorgeous hustk

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husk*

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yeah, wouldn't be that bad

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:26 PM

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Oh right gorgeous husk

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:26 PM

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even if the relic on the right is only 200

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:26 PM

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Even with shit rng there would be no grinding

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Alright I think the dive only req on flukenest is fine as is

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 2:28 PM

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whelp, @leaden hedge is going to start looking for seeds now for this weekend and a proxy to hand it out

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:28 PM

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theres a race in a bit

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:28 PM

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What time?

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:28 PM

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7-8cest

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:29 PM

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Someone should put it in #races-announcements

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:29 PM

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so about 3hrs

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I think xeph, zurai are racing ush said he might be up for it

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 2:29 PM

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grimm troup in 1 week...sigh i'm gonna finish the UI overlay for randomizer just in time to be broken

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:30 PM

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wont change alot

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 2:30 PM

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when hidden dreams came out, how many variables did they change for existing stuff?

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:30 PM

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none

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 2:30 PM

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nice

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:30 PM

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they just added 2

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 2:31 PM

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oh, any chance you can fix the rnd.js bug sometime in the next 8 hours?

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and make "version" return json por favor

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:33 PM

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ye one sec

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 2:34 PM

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hah (no really, anytime in the next 8 hours, at work, so can't do anything until then anyway) hollowface

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:43 PM

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@rain cedar ok with the current randomizer, theres a very high chance apparently of dive / ismas, and they only go to one item

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so if you get ismas your next item is almost guaranteed to be at shape of unn, and dive you have to kill flukenest

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:45 PM

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Ok I'll up the chance for branching item paths

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Right now for each non-dead end item there's a 10% chance to be considered on every slot

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What do you think is a good chance?

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Much higher and it will just start spamming good items everywhere

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Also dive/ismas shouldn't be any more common than any other item that unlocks other paths

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:48 PM

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ye but theres like a 25% chance they are in the first 3 dead ends

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maybe don't have dead ends that point directly to another dead end

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or make it less likely

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:49 PM

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I mean if it points to another dead end it's by definition not a dead end

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Because it leads somewhere

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 2:50 PM

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i mean... getting dive at dream nail leads you to either greenpath or fluke marm

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beyond that though.... there's not much that specific item can give you alone

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 2:50 PM

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its ok as a first item

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but once you can get into greenpath it only leads to flukenest

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:51 PM

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I will up the chance for additional items to be considered to 25% and we'll see how that works

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That change is up on the drive if you want to mess with seeds @leaden hedge

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 2:54 PM

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Can I put the debug mode into the same instance of the game where I also have the randomizer?

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or do I have a to make a new one?

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 2:54 PM

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Yeah they're compatible

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 2:54 PM

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sweet

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I dont understand the purpose of the fireball during the womb skip

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 3:03 PM

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to get dash back

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 3:03 PM

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ah

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and Im slashing the spikes like an idiot

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 3:03 PM

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you have to slash the spikes to refresh it

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but it has a cooldown

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 3:04 PM

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Fireball also stops you from going too high

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 3:04 PM

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that skip would technically be possible with dashmaster instead of fireball

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 3:04 PM

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Dashmaster is way harder

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 3:04 PM

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gotta go from down for pogo to left for dash though

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without dashing down

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 3:04 PM

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I don't want to have to do that

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 3:04 PM

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XTREME MODE when

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 3:04 PM

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lol

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 3:05 PM

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Could be interesting to try to maximize hard skips instead of just allowing them

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Would probably be awful

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 3:08 PM

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man, I cant get the dash after fireball fast enough out

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 3:13 PM

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should be dash after the pogo

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then fireball after the dash

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 3:13 PM

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yea, thats what I meant 😛

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 3:13 PM

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lol

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 3:15 PM

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seems also possible with howling wraith

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 3:15 PM

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probably

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more stick movement though

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 3:16 PM

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Stick LuL

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 3:16 PM

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current with fb is down, nail, left, dash, fireball repeat

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 3:16 PM

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i'll give you some more stick movement

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 3:16 PM

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I use an actual stick FeelsBadMan

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all these fast direction changes are too hard

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 3:16 PM

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fighting stick PogChamp

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 3:16 PM

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gotta move my entire hand

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 3:17 PM

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That's your own fault for using a controller not even slightly suited for platformers

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 3:17 PM

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didn't say it was impossible just hard hollowface

young walrus Oct 19, 2017, 3:18 PM

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d pad for life

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 3:18 PM

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^

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yay made it

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 3:18 PM

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and honestly stick is fine for platformers, pretty sure arcade games didn't have a dpad

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 3:18 PM

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after 234978 attemots

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doing that in a run will be difficult

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because not cheats FeelsBadMan

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 3:19 PM

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just cheat on the sly

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 3:29 PM

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when I start a new save, the UI of the debug mode is always on. Is there a way to disable it on default?

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 3:32 PM

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Nah, there isn't

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 3:38 PM

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is it ok to rename the DebugMod.dll in the mods folder to disable it?

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 3:38 PM

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you can't rename it

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you have to move it out of the folder

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 3:38 PM

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oh ok

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 3:38 PM

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I have a folder called temp_disable in mods

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that I drag stuff to

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 4:00 PM

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will there be one more update today to the randomizer?

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 4:02 PM

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probably not before the race

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 4:04 PM

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Yeah not before the race unless there's something pressing

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 4:04 PM

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are you entering @summer tapir ?

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 4:09 PM

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yea

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hmm, I just downloaded the latest version but I dont see the version string in the title screen

rain cedar Oct 19, 2017, 4:13 PM

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Do you have the latest modding api as well?

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 4:13 PM

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that might me it then, hold on

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yup, its there 👌

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https://i.imgur.com/nZUUQ2n.png

Imgur

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 4:24 PM

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when did you last update the tracker lol

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should be 18/10/17a

summer tapir Oct 19, 2017, 4:29 PM

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long ago cirSmug

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didnt use the tracker because I was playing 100% so I didnt need it

cedar raven Oct 19, 2017, 4:37 PM

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@buoyant wasp i'll just update the tracker to the latest one

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 4:38 PM

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no, i meant, were you using the new one from last night, or the "main" one that i did over the weekend?

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just so i know where to look 😃

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 9:16 PM

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@leaden hedge is the stuff in git the most recent version of playerdatatracker? if not can you push the most recent stuff up?

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 9:52 PM

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updated

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 9:52 PM

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thanks

solemn rivet Oct 19, 2017, 9:56 PM

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I've rebalanced bonfire to be faithful to what's in the spreadsheet I posted earlier. Will upload it as soon as I get home

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Next update will be a full stats screen

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 9:58 PM

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i really wanna play bonfire, but i'm sad cause I still need to work on hundo and the dlc is out next week

somber spear Oct 19, 2017, 9:58 PM

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Is someone around atm who uses the new debugmod and could check something for me?

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 9:58 PM

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not enough time

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you mean like the author @rain cedar ?

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but i use it, by no means an expert tho

somber spear Oct 19, 2017, 9:58 PM

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Yes I am aware that he's around but he said he cant test what I need right now

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 9:59 PM

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i can test something if you'd like

somber spear Oct 19, 2017, 9:59 PM

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I have a list of simple steps I need someone to confirm whether or not it triggers a bug

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I knwo the author is Seanpr, I designed the UI for the mod

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I'll PM you the steps

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 9:59 PM

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k

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 10:58 PM

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Question, what's the Font that is used by the game? do we have that?

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 10:58 PM

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trajan pro

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and yes

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 10:58 PM

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k, maybe i'll get lucky and it's a standard font for web 😉

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 10:58 PM

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no

hazy sentinel Oct 19, 2017, 10:58 PM

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wrong

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 10:58 PM

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bleh

hazy sentinel Oct 19, 2017, 10:59 PM

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i'm not breaking the law

📎 TrajanPro-Bold.otf

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📎 TrajanPro-Regular.otf

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 10:59 PM

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nice

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thanks

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 10:59 PM

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wow

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pretty sure you are

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those are PAY2USE texts

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 11:00 PM

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are they? (IE using them in the randomizer overlay would be bad?)

hazy sentinel Oct 19, 2017, 11:00 PM

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i paid for HK and downloaded unity studio therefore I own those fonts

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trust me im a lawyer

leaden hedge Oct 19, 2017, 11:01 PM

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I believe you are allowed to use it

hazy sentinel Oct 19, 2017, 11:01 PM

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also 🤔

📎 ok.png

buoyant wasp Oct 19, 2017, 11:13 PM

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ended up going with Constantine. It's basically identical, but without any question on legality. In mods, i can see how we could get away with it since the font is in the game, but since this is a website technically (even if it's just an overlay for the game), I have no desire to infringe on someone's rights. (valid or otherwise)

hazy sentinel Oct 19, 2017, 11:24 PM

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📎 IMG_20171019_192404.png

buoyant obsidian Oct 19, 2017, 11:25 PM

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Cajun Pro

warped sinew Oct 20, 2017, 12:21 AM

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@rotund ether sue these guys to death!!!!!!!

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Also dies TC even own that font?? Lol

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Some other guy probably does

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Johnny Fontman I believe his name is

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 12:24 AM

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it's adobe

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although if you buy a license you can use it for whatever

young walrus Oct 20, 2017, 12:39 AM

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I should invent fonts and charge people for them

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Seems like a good business.

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hollowface

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 12:40 AM

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yeah if you can make good fonts

young walrus Oct 20, 2017, 12:40 AM

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Nah. It'll be wingdings

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That's shits famous

hazy sentinel Oct 20, 2017, 12:41 AM

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call it dingwings

young walrus Oct 20, 2017, 12:43 AM

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hollowwoke

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GENIUS

summer tapir Oct 20, 2017, 12:57 AM

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a meme font

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people would pay for it

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 1:17 AM

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https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_b9PFqx_PR9UzMxeHdva2hFT1U New patch of the Bonfire Mod is up!

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Still haven't implemented Int stat yet (me and KDT ran into some technical difficulties) but I redid most of the formulas for how the stats impact the gameplay

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Also I cleaned up the code (it was fugly)

hazy sentinel Oct 20, 2017, 1:19 AM

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maybe update the readme hollowface

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 1:20 AM

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if anyone is interested I also rehosted the github page for the mod, but instead of hosting the .dll there, i'm hosting only the .cs of the classes/methods changed by the mod

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@hazy sentinel thank you for reminding me of that!

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done

dapper folio Oct 20, 2017, 1:27 AM

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should KDT be credited in Bonfire?

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 1:27 AM

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I believe they do deserve more credit than they are getting right now

dapper folio Oct 20, 2017, 1:28 AM

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alright

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If this is true for any other mods and any other modder, let me know. I only know what I know, it's why I encourage modders having editing privileges

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 1:43 AM

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does someone have the 3 parts of kingsoul in higher res than the wiki? preferrable something 156px or bigger

dapper folio Oct 20, 2017, 1:44 AM

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try extracting assets

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 1:44 AM

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^

dapper folio Oct 20, 2017, 1:45 AM

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use the unity studio pinned to the channel

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 1:45 AM

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📎 charm_white_full.png

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📎 charm_white_left.png

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📎 whtie_charm_large_pieces_0000_right.png

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📎 whtie_charm_large_pieces_0001_left.png

dapper folio Oct 20, 2017, 1:45 AM

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woah

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 1:45 AM

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📎 charm_white_right.png

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📎 charm_black.png

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@buoyant wasp

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 1:46 AM

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thank you very much

hazy sentinel Oct 20, 2017, 1:51 AM

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boi extract the assets

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 1:51 AM

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it's not that i'm lazy, but someone has already gone through the effort of extracting it all and I hate re-inventing the wheel

hazy sentinel Oct 20, 2017, 1:52 AM

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do you also hate having all 4700 sprite sheets on hand

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 1:53 AM

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yes

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it takes up alot of space

hazy sentinel Oct 20, 2017, 1:53 AM

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only 850 mb intenseface

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 1:55 AM

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thats 850mb less hollow knight rule 34 hollowface

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 1:58 AM

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to be honest, outside of doing this overlay, I don't really plan to mod HK. so i dont' really plan to need the assets beyond these and KDT is like magic, you ask for a icon and it appears almost instantly

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i'm not even sure he's human

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 2:01 AM

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hey, i'm trying to configure Visual Studio to understand the RandomizerMod solution. Is there some magic to do where I point VisualStudio at my Hollow Knight installation so that the assembly references are resolved?

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:02 AM

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yes

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:02 AM

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I added all references manually to the solution

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:x

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:02 AM

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right click the project

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properties

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reference paths

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C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data\Managed\

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also I found a bug lol

hazy sentinel Oct 20, 2017, 2:03 AM

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bug

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:03 AM

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is it Hornet?

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 2:03 AM

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oh, btw, warning

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:03 AM

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if you cast wraiths on the first frame avaliable after casting it

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it does't make a second one

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 2:03 AM

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doing go into howling cliffs with debug mod

hazy sentinel Oct 20, 2017, 2:03 AM

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yeah KDT I keep running into that on radiance fights hollowsad

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 2:03 AM

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and turn on all the stuff in the enemies pane and then pause

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it won't end well for you

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:05 AM

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also, while testing Int yesterday I found out that, for some reason, the Plant Traps in greenpath have a "damages enemy" fsm

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:05 AM

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they do

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so do spikes

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so does acid

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all hazards do hollowface

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:06 AM

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wait

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I thought plant traps were those enemies that hide under the foliage to bite you

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:06 AM

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yes

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and pretty sure they damage enemies

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 2:06 AM

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@leaden hedge that worked. thanks!

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:07 AM

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didn't know that

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:v

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:07 AM

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as do spikes and acid

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:07 AM

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yeah, I know spikes and acid do

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as do those thorny vines in Greenpath

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 2:08 AM

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anyway, memory leak in debug mod will crash the game after a minute

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:11 AM

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nice

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It's probably the hitboxes / lifebars

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 2:11 AM

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the embraced one found it, i just confirmed it, so he gets the credit 😃

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dunno why it's only there though

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:14 AM

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ok I see the problem with the spells @solemn rivet

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it pools the spells, and calls set damage whenever they are recreated

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so it only works on the first cast of each spell except fireball 1 / 2

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which can have 4/5

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:15 AM

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I thought it was that

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so, if we could get PlayMakerFSM playMakerFSM = FSMUtility.LocateFSM(go, "Set Damage"); for (int i = 0; i < playMakerFSM.FsmStates.Length; i++) { if (playMakerFSM.FsmStates[i].Name == "Set Damage") { FieldInfo[] fields = typeof(ActionData).GetFields(BindingFlags.Instance | BindingFlags.Public | BindingFlags.NonPublic); for (int j = 0; j < fields.Length; j++) { if (fields[j].Name == "byteData") { List<byte> list = new List<byte>(); int num = 0; list[0] = (byte)num; int num2 = 30; list[14] = (byte)num2; fields[j].SetValue(playMakerFSM.FsmStates[i].ActionData, list); playMakerFSM.FsmStates[i].LoadActions(); Debug.Log(i.ToString() + j.ToString()); } } } }to work it should be fine, right?

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or if I have the old code run every frame...

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:21 AM

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nope

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too laggy

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I have a plan though

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:21 AM

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what about every time cast is pressed?

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just like I do in blackmoth

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:24 AM

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I have an idea anyway

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:24 AM

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what's your idea?

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I'm sure it's better than my brute-force way

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:25 AM

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let me check hollowface

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:25 AM

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I'l check if mine works

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 2:28 AM

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Can you run Hollow Knight in Visual Studio and debug the RandomizerMod with the debugger?

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:28 AM

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@solemn rivet there are a couple of problems that I've noticed with the bonfire mod

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:28 AM

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unity and steam generally don't like it

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I haven't tried though

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why do you want to debug it?

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:29 AM

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Either enemies have more health or old nail/spells do less damage than regular HK at base, cause I've noticed things taking more hits to kill

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:29 AM

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they do

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 2:29 AM

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@leaden hedge it'd be nice to step through code I write to make sure it's all working as expected. But logging-based debugging works too.

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:29 AM

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@deep pilot enemies have increased HP

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:29 AM

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yep logging based is probably the best bet

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:29 AM

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and it increases with progress

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:30 AM

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Hitboxes for the nail/spells seem wrong. I'm not able to hit the Elder Baldur in the Ancestral Mound when standing on the ground

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:30 AM

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oh

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using vengeful, I assume?

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:30 AM

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Yes

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:30 AM

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fml

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I forgot to remove the test code for making Int work

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it sets spells damage to 0

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but only the first few casts tho

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:31 AM

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How many casts?

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Cause I went 0/3 hits when I launched all of my soul meter

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:32 AM

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KDT reported something like 4 or 5 earlier

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[00:14] KDT: ok I see the problem with the spells @solemn rivet
[00:14] KDT: it pools the spells, and calls set damage whenever they are recreated
[00:14] KDT: so it only works on the first cast of each spell except fireball 1 / 2
[00:14] KDT: which can have 4/5

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:32 AM

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Alright

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I feel there's something awkward about the nail hitbox as well, though

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There were sometimes where I straight up swung through aspid hatchlings like they weren't there

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 2:33 AM

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what is this "Int" people are talking about?

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:33 AM

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And took damage as a result

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:34 AM

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that's a consequence of the code

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I'll remove it

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it basically sets the "damage dealt" of anything with "damages enemy" to 0

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so you can jump into spikes/acid and take no damage, for instance

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@broken fable Intelligence

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another stat of the Bonfire Mod, currently under development

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 2:36 AM

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ok thanks

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In RandomizerMod, some functions are declared with comments that list "Token:", "RID:", "RVA:", "File Offset:". What do those mean?

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:37 AM

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@deep pilot

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📎 Assembly-CSharpsteam.dll

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can you check if this works?

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:39 AM

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I'd ask seanpr

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or firzen actually

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:41 AM

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@leaden hedge mine didn't work

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:41 AM

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ok I've got everything but fireballs working

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:42 AM

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Another question I have while I'm booting up the revised mod is does luck modify the drop amount from larger common enemies?

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Like Husk Warriors?

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:42 AM

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should

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:42 AM

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Cause I've noticed that with luck lvl. 2 I'm still getting 45 geo dropped per warrior killed.

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:42 AM

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the increase is negligible

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5% per luck level iirc

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:43 AM

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Says level 2 is 125%

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On your spreadsheet

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:43 AM

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that is weird

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oh

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that's because that table is wrong

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I'm referencing the wrong column to calculate the drop rates

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duh

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fixed it

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but in code it's right tho

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and even that is an approximation

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            playMakerFSM.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Med").Value *= 1 + this.modData.statLck / 20;
            playMakerFSM.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Large").Value *= 1 + this.modData.statLck / 20;```

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basically what I'm doing is counting how many of each type of geo the enemy drops, and multiplying THAT by 105%

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 2:47 AM

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what happened to the randomizer mod in google drive? folder looks empty

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:48 AM

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so it will always be <= actual 105% dropped geo

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 2:48 AM

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was there 2 hours ago

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:48 AM

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wow bug

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playMakerFSM.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Small Extra") needs to be done too

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thats for fragile greed hollowface

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:48 AM

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didn't know that existed

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thanks!

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 2:48 AM

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Med / Large too

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:49 AM

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Alright, vengeful spirit seems to be right again as far as I can tell

dapper folio Oct 20, 2017, 2:49 AM

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randomizer in the drive isn't empty
@broken fable

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 2:50 AM

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ok, sorry. i guess i needed to refresh the page

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:50 AM

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thank you so much for all the feedback @deep pilot ! If you have any other questions or comments, please feel free to tell me!

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:51 AM

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and thank you for the quick responses as well!

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:51 AM

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but, yeah

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just be aware that increased drop rate in the spreadsheet can differ (only slightly) from the actual increase

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due to rounding issues

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say, if an enemy drops 20 small geo, it'll increase to 21 small geo. But if it drops 10 small geo and 10 medium geo, you'll get no increase (because 105% of 10 is rounded down to 10)

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I believe that's what's happening with Husk Warriors

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can't be sure, tho

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anyway, gtg now

young walrus Oct 20, 2017, 3:25 AM

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just got a hard lock seed where it wants me to go down to shade cloak with only shade cloak and super dash

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not possible to reach hornet

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 3:41 AM

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is that in easy or hard mode?

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if you're in easy mode, you're supposed to have monarch wings before going to shade cloak.

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 3:43 AM

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no its hard

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its techncially possible afaik to get to hornet2 with just dash

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its just really hard

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 3:45 AM

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according to the xml, hard mode shade cloak requires: (Mantis Claw AND Monarch Wings) OR (Mantis Claw AND Mothwing Cloak) OR (Mantis Claw AND Shade Cloak) OR (Mantis Claw AND Crystal Heart) OR (Mothwing Cloak AND Shade Cloak)

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 3:45 AM

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yes

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the last one

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is just so you can get from abyss to shade cloak

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it's technically true

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that all of those are doable

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but the last one is very hard

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 3:46 AM

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how do you climb up to hornet 2 without mantis claw or monarch wings?

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 3:46 AM

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well thats what this xml is saying hollowface

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 3:46 AM

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pogo on primalaspid s?

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 3:46 AM

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but yes

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pretty much, aspid pogos

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 3:47 AM

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that's a lot of aspid pogos

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 3:47 AM

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its only in there because someone went down there and got softlocked at shade cloak iirc

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 3:48 AM

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when i call Modding.ModHooks.ModLog() where does that go? on screen? in a file?

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 3:48 AM

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save folder

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 3:49 AM

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i would not have guessed to look there.

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i don't even know where the save foldre is

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 3:50 AM

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%appdata%/locallow/team cherry

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 3:52 AM

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fwiw, my %APPDATA% points into the Roaming directory, so for me it's %APPDATA%/../LocalLow/Team Cherry/ModLog.txt. I'm on Windows 7, if that matters.

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 3:53 AM

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yeah it will point to roaming

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 4:14 AM

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is there an easy way to figure out which room Ruins1_01 is?

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 4:18 AM

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not really

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you can call LoadLevel("Ruins1_01")

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GameManager.instance.LoadScene ("Ruins1_01")

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 4:19 AM

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I'm guessing you'd usually enable the debug mod, and it would tell you the name of each room you go in?

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 4:19 AM

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yes

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theres a hook

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ModHooks.Instance.SceneChanged

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pretty sure has scene from and scene to

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 4:21 AM

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yeah. i'm just reading the randomizer scene handler, and it adds platforms in a few rooms, but i'm not sure which ones they are. Ruins1_01 and Ruins1_02. i'm guessing those are the top left entrance from the city crest gate.

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thanks for your help kdt. i'm out for the night.

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 5:13 AM

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so, this could be a thing or not, but watching Mickley's stream this evening, him and a few others noticed that the game seems to run slower with the randomizer. wondering why this would be.

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 6:54 AM

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What do you mean by "slower"?

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I'm skipping around in his vod and the game looks fine

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I added GC.Collect calls after randomization and scene load, so it's gonna add menu lag when loading and increase your load time a bit

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If that's what you mean

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@buoyant wasp @young walrus

young walrus Oct 20, 2017, 7:09 AM

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it has some lag when opening inventory. it also messes with my inputs more than usual. less responsive than the unmodded game

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and yeah. loads are definitely longer

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 7:10 AM

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I'm modifying the spell control fsm on every load, which I'm sure hurts load time noticeably

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I could try to figure out where that's actually necessary

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Not sure about it being less responsive, though

young walrus Oct 20, 2017, 7:13 AM

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i also do run a song bot while playing rando, which i'm sure adds to it

vale zenith Oct 20, 2017, 7:32 AM

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Go to sleep Sean

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 7:32 AM

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I'm seeing very similar fps and cpu usage between randomizer and vanilla

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And less memory used in randomizer than vanilla

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I'm not sure how well I can fix a problem I can't reproduce

vale zenith Oct 20, 2017, 7:34 AM

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You probably wanna get rid of your forced GC collects

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 7:34 AM

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People had game freezes in really random spots like killing an enemy

vale zenith Oct 20, 2017, 7:34 AM

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It'll be late at work today but I'll help you out when I'm back

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 7:34 AM

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GC is the only thing I could think of that would affect that

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Since TC calls GC.Collect when you kill things

vale zenith Oct 20, 2017, 7:35 AM

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Wait what?

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 7:35 AM

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Team Cherry hides garbage collection with hitstop

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To make it less noticeable that it lags

vale zenith Oct 20, 2017, 7:35 AM

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Oh Jesus Christ

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I mean smart

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But wat

civic hatch Oct 20, 2017, 7:36 AM

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?

vale zenith Oct 20, 2017, 7:36 AM

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That explains the extreme hit stop

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 7:36 AM

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You should see the hitstop ciplax gets

vale zenith Oct 20, 2017, 7:37 AM

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Especially since unity has their runtime based on .net 2.0

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 7:38 AM

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@vale zenith https://clips.twitch.tv/FairObservantFlamingoBatChest For when you're able to look at this

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A hornet fight Ciplax had

vale zenith Oct 20, 2017, 7:38 AM

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Send me a pm

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 7:38 AM

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So lazy

vale zenith Oct 20, 2017, 7:38 AM

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I won't scroll up through 8 hours of chat after work man

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 7:38 AM

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I tagged you so you can just look at recent mentions

vale zenith Oct 20, 2017, 7:38 AM

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Good point

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 7:38 AM

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But fine I'll pm you too

vale zenith Oct 20, 2017, 7:39 AM

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Thanks

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Today is a release party at work so that'll be fun

civic hatch Oct 20, 2017, 7:40 AM

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Git better pc :^)

vale zenith Oct 20, 2017, 7:41 AM

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...

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 8:46 AM

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Well, in any case, I'm gonna remove the GC stuff because it seems to be making things worse instead of better

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 12:37 PM

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So, KDT, how did you manage to make the spells work?

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:15 PM

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@solemn rivet Something's still definitely not working with Luck and geo drops from enemies

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I'm at lvl 10 Luck (which should translate to 148% geo dropped) but I'm only getting 45 geo consistently from husk warriors

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:16 PM

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hmm...

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:17 PM

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In contrast, equipping Fragile Greed immediately increases the geo drop from husk warriors to 54 geo

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:34 PM

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well, something's weird

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can you enter the area with the husk warrior using this .dll and then send me the output_log.txt?

📎 Assembly-CSharpsteam.dll

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because I set the code to simply multiply dropped geo by luck and it worked perfectly

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so entering the area right outside the bench below Hornet1, I get this list of geo:

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Total geo: 25-0-0-0-0-0
Total geo: 10-0-0-0-0-0
Total geo: 50-0-0-0-0-0
Total geo: 45-0-0-0-0-0
Total geo: 45-0-0-0-0-0
Total geo: 45-0-0-0-0-0
Total geo: 25-0-0-0-0-0
Total geo: 45-0-0-0-0-0
Total geo: 25-0-0-0-0-0
Total geo: 25-0-0-0-0-0
Total geo: 45-0-0-0-0-0
Total geo: 45-0-0-0-0-0```

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:39 PM

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where's the output log?

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:39 PM

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where the managed folder is

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:40 PM

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I'm in the managed folder and I don't see anything new

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Do I need to exit the game?

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:40 PM

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no, it's in hollow_knight_data

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which contains the managed folder

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:41 PM

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So is the log supposed to output a list of geo?

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Or do you just want the output log?

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:41 PM

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the output log

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I made it so that it outputs the geo amount for every enemy in the scene

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:41 PM

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📎 output_log.txt

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From crossroads stag station to husk warrior room just above it and back

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:42 PM

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ok

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well, for some reason that enemy does not have a "health_manager_enemy" then

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oh, wait

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:47 PM

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Actually, the enemy's name is "Husk Guard"

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My bad

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But it's still only dropping 45 geo

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:47 PM

#

yeah, the enemy with higher geo counted has
Total geo: 20-0-0-0-0-0

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now I have to find a way to access that enemy's geo pool to change it

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because it apparently doesn't have a health bar

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which doesn't make any sense

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 2:49 PM

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Look for health_manager too, not just health_manager_enemy

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:50 PM

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okay

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just only last try

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see how much geo you get from this

📎 Assembly-CSharpsteam.dll

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:53 PM

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That did the trick

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Husk Guard now drops 65 geo

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:53 PM

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welp

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you got exactly 90 geo, I assume?

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:54 PM

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90 geo?

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From what?

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:54 PM

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wut

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now that's interesing

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okay, so the enemy with Total geo: 20-0-0-0-0-0 IS the Husk Guard

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the code I just sent you was supposed to double every enemy's dropped geo

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:55 PM

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Yeah, that didn't happen

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I got 65 geo

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:55 PM

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yeah

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:55 PM

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Which is 20 geo more than base

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:55 PM

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that's because it is coded to have 20 geo, so double 20=40

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so I assume I'm not reading the right variables to change the big geo coins

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the other 25 are probably coming from big geo

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but it says it shouldn't have any big geo

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 2:57 PM

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It definitely drops big geo

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cause I can see several ones in the stuff I pick up

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 2:57 PM

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yup

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so, here's the code:

hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Small Extra").Value *= 2;
hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Med").Value *= 2;
hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Med Extra").Value *= 2;
hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Large").Value *= 2;
hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Large Extra").Value *= 2;```

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maybe big geo isn't called Geo Med or Geo Large

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but rather something else

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 3:00 PM

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One thing I'm still not understanding though is that the small geo apparently is being correctly read in, but even so there is no change in the overall geo when leveling up luck

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 3:00 PM

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how much luck did you have again?

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 3:01 PM

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10

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 3:01 PM

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yeah, if it was working, even with small geo, you should be getting around 75 geo

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instead of 65

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 3:02 PM

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Before you just multiplied all the geo counts by 2 I also went by Greenpath and the Moss Knights also dropped their default geo amounts of 40

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Now with the factor of 2 added, Moss Knights drop 70 geo each

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 3:04 PM

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yeah, so there's definitely some geo I'm not counting

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it's probably 30 small + 2 big

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and for Husk it's 20 small + 5 big

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and I'm only doubling small

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okay, I have an idea to fix at least small geo

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 3:16 PM

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I'd offer help to try and figure out what the large geo variable names are, but I have absolutely zero experience with fsm stuff

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 3:39 PM

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same here

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 3:58 PM

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You could probably just do the change in HeroController.AddGeo

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Just do some check like amount < 200 to avoid messing with lemm

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:00 PM

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also

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I added a line to print every object on scene that has "health_manager"

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and walked around a bit

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but didn't find any

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 4:02 PM

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you could try Geo Medium Instead

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:02 PM

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but all enemies I encountered have health_manager_enemy

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KDT I'll try that and Geo Big instead of Large

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 4:04 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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ignore the -428443584

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thats actually 1.5

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unless for some reason, certain enemies have different variables for this

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:06 PM

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Total hme geo for Moss Knight : 30-0-0-0-0-0

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ignore the "hme", I was trying to figure out if health_manager_enemy and health_manager fsms had different amounts of geo

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        if (hme != null)
        {
            Debug.Log(array[i].name + " has health_manager_enemy FSM.");
            hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Small").Value *= (int)(1f + (float)(this.modData.statLck / 20));
            hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Small Extra").Value *= 2;
            hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Medium").Value *= 2;
            hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Medium Extra").Value *= 2;
            hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Large").Value *= 2;
            hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Large Extra").Value *= 2;
            Debug.Log(string.Concat(new object[]
            {
                "Total hme geo for " + array[i].name + " : ",
                hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Small").Value,
                "-",
                hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Small Extra").Value,
                "-",
                hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Med").Value,
                "-",
                hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Med Extra").Value,
                "-",
                hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Large").Value,
                "-",
                hme.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Large Extra").Value
            }));
        }```

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 4:07 PM

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I think Geo Med is Geo Medium

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its just Extra is Geo Med Extra

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:07 PM

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oh

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I'm stupid

#

I forgot to change the values that get written to the log

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 4:08 PM

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and yes you did

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 4:08 PM

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@rain cedar - re performance. I haven't noticed it myself, but as I haven't played enough rando myself, i can't comment. inventory loads take longer (which as you said was expected), but the basic consensus was that the timings just felt off on alot of things. inputs sometimes felt laggy/eaten, etc. I know, from a programing perspective, that's not alot to go on.

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:08 PM

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brb

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 4:09 PM

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honestly was hoping there was some way to hook in the debugger in VS/.Net or something to give you more data or some sort of better picture

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or perhaps some logging you could add to a version of the randomizer for a while that would provide some statistical data

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 4:09 PM

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Not sure what data I could log that would be useful

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I mean nothing I'm doing changes that kinda stuff

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And I can't even reproduce any problems myself

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It runs just as well as the vanilla game for me

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:10 PM

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Total hme geo for Moss Knight : 30-0-2-0-0-0

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it works

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 4:11 PM

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if only I had uploaded the fsm_viewer hollowface

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:11 PM

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Hey, don't judge me

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 4:12 PM

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you know whats weird

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📎 unknown.png

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theres this state you can't get to

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but thats checking against longnail to spawn extra geo

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:13 PM

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Maybe long was the old fragile greed?

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 4:14 PM

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look at the transition though

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it goes to the fragile greed state

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:14 PM

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Yeah...

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 4:18 PM

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Just as a side-note @solemn rivet , I believe your spreadsheet should have Level 1 luck be 105% dropped geo based on your math.

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Instead of 100%

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:20 PM

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Level 1 is the base of any stat

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I can make them all start at 0,but I find it ugly

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Level 1 is the default

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 4:22 PM

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Because you start at one though and your geo calculation is 1+(luck)/20

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you start at 1.05, right?

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:36 PM

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I fixed it to luck-1,but after changing it to *2, and then back to 1+luck/20 I forgot to subtract 1

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 4:36 PM

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Ah, that makes sense

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:37 PM

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In the spreadsheet you can see the -1 in the formula

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 4:38 PM

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I swapped back to the public release version of the bonfire mod, so you didn't have the luck-1 changed yet in that version.

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:38 PM

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Yup

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 4:38 PM

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Of course, the geo drops in that version also aren't fixed yet, so it doesn't actually mean anything grubfather

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:39 PM

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But I have a few ideas on how to fix it all, now that we have the actual names

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Problem is, I'm not near my pc rn

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 4:40 PM

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No worries, there's no need to rush

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:40 PM

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The issue is that luck/20 is converted to an int

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So if luck<20, it's rounded down to 0

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I'll rewrite it in such a way that it multiplies by 1+luck/20 before converting to int

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That should fix it in theory

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 4:42 PM

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Does C# type casting work the same way it does in C?

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:42 PM

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I assume so

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 4:42 PM

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Cause couldn't you just do luck / 20.0

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And that would auto-cast the fraction to a float?

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:42 PM

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Yeah

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 4:42 PM

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Well, luck-1

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:43 PM

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But it's written as
Geo *= 1+luck/20

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And geo is int

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 4:43 PM

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Oh

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I see the problem, yeah

solemn rivet Oct 20, 2017, 4:43 PM

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So it first casts 1+luck/20 to int, and then it multiplies geo

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 6:11 PM

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am i correct in interpreting that this code is looking for a baldur in fungal wastes? https://github.com/MyEyes/RandomizerMod/blob/9d80cc777043d0d03462b692b463470b3a1694bd/RandomizerMod/SceneHandler.cs#L194

GitHub

MyEyes/RandomizerMod

RandomizerMod - This is a mod for Hollow Knight that randomizes Charms and Abilities.

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i thought the only baldurs in the game were in ancestral mound, cross roads to green path transition, and howling cliffs at baldur shell charm.

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 6:19 PM

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The internal scene names are just different from what you would expect

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Fungal wastes, greenpath, and queen's gardens rooms all start with "Fungus"

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Also the baldur shell room is named as being in greenpath

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 6:48 PM

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do we have a map somewhere that puts the room names in conjunction with their actual location visually?

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 6:52 PM

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No, but maybe RainingChain would be willing to add that to his map if we got him a list of scene names
https://rainingchain.com/hollowknight/map

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 6:52 PM

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yeah, i was going to use his map to put together the list of relics

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for you, but then realized that room names were all wrong

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and i haven't had a chance to run all over the map to figure out what they all are yet

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 6:54 PM

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No rush

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Not really even worth the effort imo

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But if you want to do it

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 7:41 PM

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@rain cedar - I know you added the list of available mods, but any way we can get their version string too? (maybe instead of List<string>, Dictionary<string, string> ?)

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(or some other data structure if dictionaries are frowned on in unity)

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 7:43 PM

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dictionaries are fine in csharp

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 7:43 PM

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Yeah, wouldn't be hard to do that

buoyant wasp Oct 20, 2017, 7:43 PM

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oh, i know they are fine in csharp

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i use them all the time

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but i don't know if they are fine for games 😃

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 7:43 PM

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also @rain cedar my tracker, checks against a webpage on github

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to get a version string

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then compares that to the installed one

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so if you're out of date it tells you

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could probably add something like that to the randomizer

rain cedar Oct 20, 2017, 7:44 PM

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I could but I'm lazy

broken fable Oct 20, 2017, 8:14 PM

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has anyone done any research into how the in-game map is stored? like the shapes of rooms and which rooms you've explored to get enabled on the map and stuff?

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like if i wanted to add custom pins to the map in a mod i make, does anyone know how to do that yet?

leaden hedge Oct 20, 2017, 8:21 PM

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you can check the map fsm

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it stores data about it in playerData

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but the rendering is done in the fsm

deep pilot Oct 20, 2017, 8:33 PM

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@solemn rivet here's a suggestion: can you make it so that resilience increases your i-frames (in the way stalwart shell does)?

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cause at this point, I think resilience is the least value stat to pour your geo into

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especially since you can't heal blue hearts

solemn rivet Oct 21, 2017, 1:29 AM

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that's an idea wataniyob

hazy sentinel Oct 21, 2017, 1:30 AM

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i agree

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that is definitely an idea

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hollowface

solemn rivet Oct 21, 2017, 2:14 AM

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upgraded bonfire to fix geo issues

summer tapir Oct 21, 2017, 2:21 AM

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doesnt the dlc will give us custom pins?

hazy sentinel Oct 21, 2017, 2:23 AM

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Won't the ~~dlc~~ Content Pack ~~will~~ give us custom pins?

yes

dusty cipher Oct 21, 2017, 2:25 AM

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Q: I've never modded a game before but I'm really interested in the Randomizer. What do I need to do to get this set up? Am I able to switch freely between the unmodded game and the randomized one? Please help.

leaden hedge Oct 21, 2017, 2:25 AM

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yeah

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you have to select a randomizer difficultly before you start a save

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and you can choose no randomization

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as for setting it up, in the google drive there are 2 mods

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"Modding API" and "Randomizer"

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simply extract both of those zips to your hollow knight installation

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 2:27 AM

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remember to put the old DLLs back if you are doing speed runs

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even if you don't use the mods, having them installed during a speedrun DQs

leaden hedge Oct 21, 2017, 2:27 AM

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your hollow knight installation can be found be right clicking on hollow knight in steam, properties, local files

dusty cipher Oct 21, 2017, 2:27 AM

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@buoyant wasp that's good to know! Thanks

leaden hedge Oct 21, 2017, 2:28 AM

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also generally just having the modding api installed, is technically fine hollowface

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as it does nothing, and has no tells

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you should uninstall it

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but theres no way for anyone to tell

dusty cipher Oct 21, 2017, 2:29 AM

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Gotcha - don't worry about uninstalling it until I'm getting times worth bragging about lol

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 2:29 AM

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if you stream, there is also a randomizer overlay (see pin) which lets viewers see what you've picked up

dusty cipher Oct 21, 2017, 2:30 AM

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What's the overlay called?

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 2:30 AM

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Hollow Knight Randomizer Tracker 😉

dusty cipher Oct 21, 2017, 2:32 AM

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Okay so I'm putting these in the "Hollow Knight" folder, not in "Hollow Knight Data" correct?

leaden hedge Oct 21, 2017, 2:33 AM

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yes, they should overwrite the Data folder

dusty cipher Oct 21, 2017, 2:33 AM

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yeah, it was obvious when i opened them lol

deep pilot Oct 21, 2017, 3:26 AM

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@solemn rivet the new version of the mod seems to have fixed the luck -> extra geo conversion

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thanks!

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 3:30 AM

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so, something i've noticed about the google drive, is that when something is updated isn't clear on the front page. For example if you look @ KDT's Player Data Tracker, the "last updated" is Oct 16, except that if you go inside the folder, you then see that the zip file was updated on the 19th. I don't really know there is a way to fix that, but it is confusing.

dapper folio Oct 21, 2017, 4:10 AM

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yeah, I don't quite understand why the folder doesn't update

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maybe add a "last update: 00/00/00" to the folder?

deep pilot Oct 21, 2017, 4:10 AM

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Isn't this how folder dates usually work though?

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I think it only changes the date/time if you rename the folder

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Or maybe only if you add/delete things in the folder

dapper folio Oct 21, 2017, 4:11 AM

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^

deep pilot Oct 21, 2017, 4:11 AM

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If you overwrite existing files with new versions, then I'm guessing it doesn't consider it to be an "update"

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 4:39 AM

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@rain cedar - is there any chance that the randomizer mod could delete the rnd.js when hollow knight first starts if it exists? I know you changed it to delete if you load a non-random save, but I'm adding the Seed # to the UI overlay. when you first start HK, if the last thing you did was a rando run, then the rnd.js will still be there from the last run. (which then will get loaded into the UI). As soon as they start a new run, the rnd.js will get updated, but it'd be nice to not have an errant seed loaded even for that period of time

summer tapir Oct 21, 2017, 4:51 AM

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can you make the UI only show up when the game is running?

leaden hedge Oct 21, 2017, 4:51 AM

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cant you just change to a scene without the ui whenever the game isn't running?

summer tapir Oct 21, 2017, 4:52 AM

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nah, Im just curious if its possible to check for the state of the game

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 4:53 AM

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currently, I can't

leaden hedge Oct 21, 2017, 4:53 AM

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you get an onquit message

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 4:53 AM

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i can check if the UI is connected i suppose

leaden hedge Oct 21, 2017, 4:53 AM

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and you can't connect until its started hollowface

summer tapir Oct 21, 2017, 5:01 AM

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https://www.twitch.tv/speedgaming3

Twitch

SpeedGaming3 - Twitch

Pokemon Puzzle League Tournament. YumeTsubasaCH vs flagalstan

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buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 5:01 AM

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i guess my biggest worry is this sequence (if i were to use the loadgame event to show the UI the first time, to avoid errantly showing seed # wrong)

* Player starts game
* UI hides until first load/new game
* Player is playing
* OBS does something odd and reloads the UI page
* Because I wait to show the UI until the first save load, the UI is missing until the next time the runner saves/quits or picks up an item (or some other event triggers the broadcast)

summer tapir Oct 21, 2017, 5:02 AM

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there is this speedgaming channel which hosts a lot of randomizer races in different games

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 5:02 AM

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i watch them

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frequently

summer tapir Oct 21, 2017, 5:02 AM

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I wonder if it possible to get in contact with them at some point

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 5:02 AM

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their overlays are not automatic

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it's all 100% manually done by trackers

summer tapir Oct 21, 2017, 5:02 AM

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we're a step ahead cirSmug

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 5:03 AM

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(in fact i'm watching SM Rando on SG1 right now 😉 )

summer tapir Oct 21, 2017, 5:03 AM

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the one on 3 is painful

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one dude doesnt know what to do since 40 min

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 5:04 AM

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i think for now, i'm just gonna leave the logic as is. it'll show the wrong seed until they start the game if the sequence of events happens to make that file exist, but once they start, it'll be right and it solves the issue of weirdness if the overlay restarts mid game

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it's how it works today, just no one notices cause the seed# isn't there

young walrus Oct 21, 2017, 5:05 AM

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You wanna try out the stuff we talked about tomorrow Wyza? Dunno what your schedule is like.

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 5:05 AM

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yeah, i should be around all day, kid is sick, so i'm not going anywhere 😃

summer tapir Oct 21, 2017, 5:05 AM

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that happy smiley

young walrus Oct 21, 2017, 5:05 AM

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Ew that's no fun

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 5:05 AM

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not really, no, but such is life

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is there a button in debug mod that grants relics?

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darn, was hoping the save game editor would let me do it, but it doesn't have one either

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 5:47 AM

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@rain cedar anyway to tell what relic/artifact actually gets picked up? Seems like the event that i'm getting passed shows the vanilla relic in the name, not the randomized one you get.

rain cedar Oct 21, 2017, 10:34 AM

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I'm already deleting the rnd.js on first scene load for a new game

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And yeah for relics the best way I think is for KDT to run the relic randomization on his end

rain cedar Oct 21, 2017, 12:36 PM

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@leaden hedge Added the logarithmic weighting like you suggested

solemn rivet Oct 21, 2017, 3:04 PM

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Bonfire Mod interface upgrade https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9UzMxeHdva2hFT1U?usp=sharing

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it shows all stats on the level up screen - including geo, crit damage and focus cost