Had a long discussion with an Admin about this last time. Its alright as long as nobody complains.
#archived-modding-development
civic hatch
So yeah, I just do what they allowed others to do, when I complained.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
In the end I can always claim: "Hey, I was joking."
gritty snow
So how bout that randomizer mod? Is it good? I was attempting to make one before I dropped off awhile back but was running into lots of problems.
wide pier
kcghost sadly i lost the link to download it and couldn'T try it ;-;
bleak robin
Randomizer is in the drive I think
civic hatch
isn't it pinned?
gritty snow
its int eh almighty folder
solemn rivet
I'm honestly impressed by how far the randomizer mod has come
never thought so much could be randomized
dapper folio
No more speculating on what happened to KeinZantezuken and why he left the way he did. It's unproductive with how little we know and only likely to bring up hard feelings.
haven't been able to give randomizer a shot yet
solemn rivet
110% adds stuff to the completion rate
dapper folio
110% is supposed to turn the percentage tracker into an accurate one
leaden hedge
110% adds percent for geo rocks and journal iirc
stable rain
unending dreams means you can fight warrior dreams as much as you'd like
gritty snow
110 is mine, it's meant to be very completionist and force you to "do everything"
wide pier
ok
Atomic but thats already possible?
i was able to fight the white defender infinite times
leaden hedge
only zote and white defender
wide pier
oh ok
dapper folio
champion, tyrant, and kin aren't repeatable
gritty snow
Looking at the randomizer readme now...man I think I'll have to dig into the dll and see how seanpr and firzen did this...I was trying to hook the PlayMaker dll. And they added a platform!?
leaden hedge
via getbool
just overriding the requests to a certain bool
with another one
the platform is just a copy + paste of another one in the scene
dapper folio
gonna update the mods folder
solemn rivet
does anyone know if they eventually figured out how to deal with isma's tear?
gritty snow
oh, does it play the right animation thing beforehand?
leaden hedge
no
solemn rivet
SD can you put the bonfire mod there?
leaden hedge
I think he replaces the text on certain stuff
dapper folio
that's part of the plan
leaden hedge
I think ismas tear is still rip due to the way he does it
dapper folio
wont show up in the drive for a bit, gonna update then turn on the sync app
rancid quest
Has anyone created a boss rush mod yet?
agile gulch
mirror link?
rancid quest
yh if someone has a mirror that'd be great since the game needs a boss rush
agile gulch
every game with bosses needs a boss rush
agile gulch
you have to get a mod to DM you the mod download because of a dmca takedown?
leaden hedge
it just can't be in the public google drive pretty much
agile gulch
can you even legally dmca people hosting your mod?
solemn rivet
it's not really worth trying to dispute this claim
leaden hedge
you can dmca anyone for anything,
the question is, is it worth fighting
and would you win
solemn rivet
SD took the path of less confrontation, and I completely agree with them
dapper folio
done updating, now for the sync program to start syncing
as for boss rush, send me a direct message
since I got the DMCA, it won't be on the drive
so I offer it directly instead
agile gulch
if you could dm me it that would be great
dapper folio
changelog to drive folder
-added bonfire
-updated blackmoth
-updated lightbringer
-updated 110%
-updated readme
narrow fjord
hey guys just a quick question: do mods lock achievements?
leaden hedge
no
narrow fjord
thank you very much
hazy sentinel
hey @solemn rivet DRM-free bonfire mod locks the game upon starting a new playthrough
solemn rivet
oh
hazy sentinel
continuing from a previous save gives a black screen
solemn rivet
I ran into that when testing out the Steam version
I'm not on my pc right now, but I'll get onto that asap
first I'll have to remember what caused it, THEN I'll fix it
btw
what version are you using?
hazy sentinel
1.1.1.8
solemn rivet
I mean, where did you get the mod?
hazy sentinel
oh the mod is the one in the drive folder
solemn rivet
okay, should be up-to-date
Also, could you please send me the output log?
It's in the same folder as the managed folder
serene tundra
could anyone help me get a rip of some sprites for inktober stuff
i need the mapreading sprite and sitting one
if anyone can
hazy sentinel
14.3 MB wtf
finite ether
now you'll have access to all of their poses, with the exception of spells and unique moments like moth wings
here
hope that helps @serene tundra
finite ether
'v'
finite ether
^
leaden hedge
you gotta find it in uabe
you can just save the tk2d components sprite
or use seanpr's sprite ripper
leaden hedge
unity asset bundle exporter
lets you look at the asset files and export / import standard files
serene tundra
ah so that has pretty much everything from backgrounds effects enemies etc?
leaden hedge
yeah it has everything in there
if your looking for something specific I'd ask for seanpr's sprite ripper though
everything in UABE is just called ATLAS
except level stuff
the sprite ripper, names it after the object
hazy sentinel
or you could be like me and look through the 7000 sprite sheets and rename them all manually
finite ether
Alright, I converted the text in one of the NPC's dialogue, but Open Office can only save these files as open office XML files. will that still work once it's recompiled into the game?
nvm, found an actual XML editor
leaden hedge
you can export them as raw text files
solemn rivet
could anyone with the drm-free version of HK check to see if you can start a new game with this?
that's the bonfire mod btw
someone reported it wasn't working
so I make a few changes
deep pilot
I have the drm free version from the humble store
Is that the same as the gog version?
solemn rivet
I believe so
noble trout
can someone help me with the bonfire mod
tell me how it works
i installed it got all the geo i can from king's pass rested at the bench in dirtmouth i expected a menu to pop up but nothing happened
did anyone else try the bonfire mod
the creator didnt explain how it works in the README
trim totem
Nice ui
solemn rivet
I don't know if that was sarcasm or not, but thanks
solemn rivet
you tell me about it
by far, the thing about this mod that took the most time to do was the GUI
finite ether
not a huge fan of unity's ui overhaul
it happened in like 5.3.1, right?
5.3.4, yeah
i remember cus we basically panicked at work haha
trim totem
I wouldn't be sarcastic about that, that'd be mean
solemn rivet
is by far and wide my fav emote
brave lodge
I genuinely had no idea this game had mod support
solemn rivet
"mod support" isn't exactly what's going on here
it's not at all like Skyrim and BoI in that aspect
finite ether
they're reverse engineering the game, cus it's a unity game
it's way more impressive than mod support
these guys are genuises
brave lodge
Oh wow
solemn rivet
that's a bit too much
some people sure
I am specially impressed by the randomizer mod
like, REAL impressed
brave lodge
What exactly does that do?
solemn rivet
randomizes basically every pickup in the game
swaps abilities around
charms
relics too iirc
brave lodge
That sounds interesting
finite ether
so you could pick up a journal and it'd actually be the Mantis Claw?
marble scarab
irma's tear
solemn rivet
I believe they are randomized within certain groups
bleak robin
Relics are separate I believe
solemn rivet
like, charms can only swap places with abilities, or something like that
bleak robin
Relics are not switched around, it's just each relic has a %chance of being any relic
Based on how many are in the world
solemn rivet
ooh, yeah, that's right!
bleak robin
So, theoretically, there's a seed with only arcane eggs
solemn rivet
forgot we talked about that and discussed the expected values and such
bleak robin
Every single relic is an arcane egg
solemn rivet
on the other hand
bleak robin
They have a higher chance of all being journals
solemn rivet
there are LOTS of seeds in which every relic is a Wanderer's Journal
"lots" here doesn't mean a number, but a percentage
solemn rivet
it's just what it sounds
you fight bosses "in order"
no exploration or whatever in between
bleak robin
Not always in order
solemn rivet
you are rewarded with points based on your performance
bleak robin
You can randomize them
bleak robin
Final boss is always last though
brave lodge
Soul Master without dash seems like it'd be torture
solemn rivet
so far, the only one we haven't managed to beat with 0 upgrades is Flukemarm
but we still believe in the fluke dream
bleak robin
When I did boss rush
flukemarm was a double kill
I killed it, and then a fluke killed me
Still moved me to next boss
buoyant obsidian
If you're not on Glass Purse are you even playing Boss Rush?
solemn rivet
753 asking the real questions
holy shit, the amount of people bashing me via DMs in reddit for the bonfire mod
should never have posted it there
bleak robin
Oh shit
stable rain
there's something bad about it?
bleak robin
The internet likes hating things
solemn rivet
basically people complaining that I'm ruining the game
stable rain
uh it's a mod
bleak robin
stable rain
mods are supposed to ruin the game :^)
bleak robin
They... Chose to use it...
solemn rivet
either saying that "the game is perfect as it is!!!" or that "it's just a crutch to make the game easier!!!"
bleak robin
It's a way to mix up gameplay
solemn rivet
^
stable rain
do they not understand what "fun" and "different" is?
bleak robin
I gotta ask btw, what happens with nail upgrades in the mod?
stable rain
ignoring is probably the best bet
bleak robin
Like nailsmith upgrades
bleak robin
Gotcha
solemn rivet
but slightly less than what it would be in vanilla
otherwise, any investment in Str would give just too much atk
either that, or I make Str irrelevant
bleak robin
Strength only build
solemn rivet
the thing is, since I don't have the drm free version I can't test it at all
hazy sentinel
i bought it on humble so i have drmfree and steam
solemn rivet
actually
I have a copy inside the IndieBox
but I didn't open the box yet, so I feel like it would be a shame to open it just for that...
hazy sentinel
also i think the cd might not update to 1.1.1.8
solemn rivet
could be
well, the post has done its job, at least
now more people are aware of mods
that's all that matters
bleak robin
Lol
solemn rivet
btw when people asked for footage of Blackmoth I linked them to your twitch vods
bleak robin
:O
I still gotta get around to streaming another mod, been busy with college
Might do your new bonfire one
Cause it seems like a nice twist
solemn rivet
there are a lot of interesting mods now
BR, Randomizer and Bonfire seem like they have a lot of replay value
so would be great for streams
if my pc cooperates, maybe I'd even do some streams myself
bleak robin
I should probably upload my twitch vods to YouTube
bleak robin
and also edit out the part at the beginning where I installed the mod wrong
noble trout
no the mod doesnt work at all for me
can someone tell me if i did anything wrong here is how i downloaded the mod:
downloaded the Csharp(steam) placed it in the hollow_knight_data file moved the orginal Csharp to another file for backup for later and named the removed the (steam) from the Csharp(steam)
solemn rivet
you need to put it into the /Managed/ folder inside /hollow_knight_data/
jsut did it myself, and it worked
small plover
Sorry for just barging in but what's this bonfire mod?
solemn rivet
It's a level up mod
Damn, I thought the name was clever... Now I'm having second thoughts
small plover
Ooooh
bleak robin
You can know what it means if you know the mod itself
small plover
How does the mod work if you don't mind me asking?
I would test it but my keyboard's left arrow isn't working
solemn rivet
Hence "bonfire"
buoyant obsidian
It's basically the Dark Souls of Hollow Knight mods
civic hatch
Its the Ragnarok Online mod for Hollow Knight
buoyant obsidian
It belongs in the Managed folder
noble trout
manager folder?
oh
i see
it works now thanks
also neat thing: i tried to get the most geo in king's pass in figured out it has a total of 95 geo
what does MP stand for?
leaden hedge
mana points
noble trout
guys something happened and im not sure if its a part of the mod or not
when i killed something there was a sound of explosion and black void stuff came out the enemy i killed
leaden hedge
thats a crit
leaden hedge
i think base is 15%
noble trout
ok
stable rain
15 is about 0
buoyant obsidian
15 is a lot
buoyant obsidian
80% of the time you'll crit within 10 hits that's fairly high
leaden hedge
phantom assassin only has a 15% chance to crit for 450%
but whenever I play against her she crits me everytime
checkm8
buoyant obsidian
That's relatable as fuck KDT
noble trout
so does quick slash add to your slash speed? or is it useless if you got higher stuff than it
same for nail upgraids
noble trout
oh wow
leaden hedge
so if you have 0.5 attack time due to dex at 20 dex
then add quick slash you attack 50% faster, so 0.33 attack time
solemn rivet
Oops
Should change mp to Soul
Also, does anyone know when the game checks if you have FoF/fragile strength to calculate your nail damage?
Because I can't find that in code
leaden hedge
it isn't in code afaik
leaden hedge
it'll probably be the init state of playmakerFSM on the sword prefab
buoyant obsidian
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cuphead/comments/74rmm7/mod_cuphead_smoothparry/?st=j8gka2hp&sh=6c48e675 Might as well share this here, Cuphead is modded the same way as Hollow Knight.
made a quick mod in 30 seconds to demonstrate
leaden hedge
didn't think cuphead was a unity game,
how much of the game is actually in code though
or is it similar to hk were most of it is in proprietary files
buoyant obsidian
It looks like you can edit a lot more, including enemy stats and projectiles.
rain cedar
Just uploaded a new randomizer build with dream nail and its upgrades in there + some charms I missed
@young walrus
solemn rivet
okay, I'm finally home
dapper folio
welcome home
dapper folio
you said that already
dapper folio
waiting
solemn rivet
why the hell is the crit% showing the wrong amounts?
dapper folio
wouldn't know
solemn rivet
dapper folio
I haven't played HK in weeks
hazy sentinel
drmfree dll still broken 
solemn rivet
thanks!
you shouldn't be able to crit at lck level 0
double num = (double)new System.Random().Next(0, 100);
double num2 = 15.0 * Math.Log((double)this.modData.statLck);
this.crit = (num <= num2);
if (this.crit)
{
this.playerData.nailDamage = (int)((1.0 + 0.23 * Math.Log((double)this.modData.statDex)) * (double)this.playerData.nailDamage);
this.spriteFlash.flashInfected();
}```log(1)=0, so num2=0 and this.crit should always return false...
@noble trout did the Knight shine in orange when you crit?
if it didn't, maybe it's triggering the crit animation without it actually being a crit
did you level up Luck, even if it didn't actually visually increase your crit%?
oh
shit
there's literally a 1% chance to crit
I think I'll just leave it at that
xD
in the case the random number is 0, (0<=0) is true, so the crit happens
solemn rivet
so far, just got to Hornet1 with 3 levels
didn't really farm for geo
and hornet1 was a joke
rain cedar
To be fair, Hornet is always a joke
dapper folio
careful what you say, think of the baby Hornets
buoyant obsidian
How'd you check?
solemn rivet
I got me a drmfree version
I've been doing that to some steam games
I don't trust steam
buoyant obsidian
Gotta cash out before the market crashes
solemn rivet
I don't trust their licences
their ToA
"you don't own the game, you own a licence to play it"
leaden hedge
thats how it is for disk games too
solemn rivet
"and we can revoke this licence at will, with no forewarning"
rain cedar
Sure they CAN, but they'd lose all of their customers if they started randomly doing that
solemn rivet
I'm not saying they are going to do that
rain cedar
And sure Valve is rich already, but that's no reason to stop making money
solemn rivet
heck, I still buy all/most of my games there
but I'd like to have something to fall back on in the event of a Steampocalypse
rain cedar
The fallback plan is piracy
leaden hedge
I imagine they wouldn't just disappear without doing something
rain cedar
Yeah, I'd like to think if for some reason Valve is ever going under they'd do something like give us some period of time to download anything we have in our library DRM free
solemn rivet
that would be just awesome
rain cedar
I don't see Valve disappearing any time soon, though
solemn rivet
sadly doesn't really work for games which are relying on steam's servers
leaden hedge
if the developer still cared at all, I imagine they'd do what from software did
when windows live went down
solemn rivet
you just earned a point with me, seanpr
rain cedar
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
solemn rivet
good thing
I mostly loathe multiplayer games
@leaden hedge we can't reasonably expect developers to be like From, now, can we?
rain cedar
Gearbox did something similar with Borderlands 1
young walrus
trying to get the mod installer working
can't get it to recognize "mod bundles" though
rain cedar
Don't bother with that crap
dapper folio
it's a specific file format
rain cedar
Mod bundles are just zips
Unzip them
Copy the files to the game directory
So much easier
young walrus
i have unzipped them. just thought having one program to do all the switching of files would be nice
but it's not recognizing anything
young walrus
lol
rain cedar
I've never used the installer
young walrus
just tried loading up the randomizer
and the screen was all kinds of fucked up
do i just need to move the randomizer file? or both that and the data file? i moved both of them
young walrus
so yeah, just the two folders
rain cedar
Oh, yeah that matters
rain cedar
If you send me your GOG assembly-csharp.dll I can make a working one
But yeah that zip is steam only
young walrus
kk. i'll install on top of steam
no biggie
just had that one around for 0.6 patch anyways
can always switch it back
that's the GOG one
rain cedar
Alright
I'll make a working gog one at some point
Not super urgent since you have steam as well
rain cedar
Should just keep a copy of every version like I do
young walrus
yeah....... probably should
rain cedar
Some of them I don't even know why I keep
Like 1.1.1.6
Literally just 1.1.1.7 except a single enemy can't be killed
dapper folio
i keep prior versions for posterity and potential for funny stuff
TC does do balance changes in their updates
young walrus
so are masks and vessel fragments part of this rando?
dapper folio
randomize everything, even bosses and mobs
enters gruz mother room... Radiance music starts
young walrus
lol
dapper folio
probably too complicated, mob/enemy placement is part of the levels themselves
rain cedar
I mean I already know how to steal platforms and shit from other scenes
dapper folio
yeah?
rain cedar
Don't see why I couldn't steal mobs, too
dapper folio
could work...
rain cedar
Only if it's an additive scene load, though
young walrus
i'd love to see this rando get more and more complex
rain cedar
I don't know how to make it work with stuff like dream gate
young walrus
like LTTP complex with the logic and possibly item placements dependent on other items/skips
rain cedar
Item placement is dependant on other items, to some extent
young walrus
like.... go to get nail arts and you get a mask
like everything is part of it
nail upgrades etc
rain cedar
The thing with spells, masks, nail upgrades, etc is they're all stored as ints
And the randomizer is really only set up to handle bools right now
dapper folio
rip
young walrus
i know LTTP does that with swords and shields
any shield or sword upgrade you find just adds 1 to the integer
so you can't just find nail4 out of the gate
rain cedar
Well, I would just place 4 generic "nail upgrade" pickups
That's kinda what I do with dash
Whichever you get second is shade cloak
young walrus
makes sense
same idea
and could do the same with dream nail "upgrades"
if that even makes sense
first you find dream nail, then gate, then awoken nail
rain cedar
Yeah, dream nail is set up so that whichever you find first is dream nail
Then the other two are awoken/gate
It's possible that you would find a shop with 3x dream nail in it, actually
young walrus
i just died to hornet cuz i found flukenest early and didn't know how to fight her with it
rain cedar
Then after buying one the other 2 would turn into the proper stuff
young walrus
so yeah, you're already doing it then
rain cedar
LuL dying to Hornet
young walrus
so... to do a different rando seed
do i just enter it in at the file select there?
i just started a file tbh
didn't poke around with it
rain cedar
Yeah, just type whatever in
It'll randomly choose a seed every time you go to start a new one, anyway
No reason to change it unless you found one you want to play again
Or for races
young walrus
so it will choose the seed based on what you put in. that's my question, for races and stuff
rain cedar
Yeah, whatever's in the box is the seed
young walrus
👍
this is really sick though dude
mad props.
can't wait to see what it evolves into
young walrus
like an OoT beta quest kinda thing
rain cedar
Just not sure how best to do that to not be too confusing and awful
young walrus
that'd be amazing
leaden hedge
you'd have to have it fixed rather than random on each transition to stop people just going back and forth to find specific rooms
you'd have to make sure each room can be reached eventually
and to do that you'd pretty much have to go through each room and figure out how to get from every gate to every other one
but theres only like 300 rooms and each one only has probably 3 / 4 gates
rain cedar
That's assuming a complete randomization, which I think falls under the "confusing and awful" criteria
Much easier to just randomize where the larger areas connect
leaden hedge
theres probably only 4 ways to really do it
1)every room connects to a random room
2)every room connects to a random room in its area but area -> area is normal
3)every room connects to a random room in its area but area -> area is random
4)every area connects to a random area but rooms are normal
its sorta weird in hybrid rooms though like xroads -> greenpath
rain cedar
Yeah, I'd just have to make a decision on which that counts as
I'm more worried about stuff like city -> waterways
Because of the key required for that transition
Not super easy to just move the key thing to wherever the randomization wants it
And it's kinda lame to just have it open from the start
young walrus
are the fragile charms part of the rando? looks like they're not?
or maybe i'm just this lucky?
rain cedar
Ah shit yeah I forgot those
young walrus
lol. okay
rain cedar
Not sure randomizing those is a good idea, anyway
young walrus
why not?
rain cedar
I'd have to check what happens if I get one from somewhere else and break it
leaden hedge
shouldnt matter, their broken status is in another var
rain cedar
Dunno if I'd be able to repair it
leaden hedge
CHARM_23_BRK iirc
rain cedar
brokenCharm_23
leaden hedge
oh charm 23 brk is the name of the string
well aslong as you don't mess with that bool
it shouldn't affect anything
rain cedar
Well, if you got fragile strength from somewhere other then leg eater then I'm telling the leg eater shop that you don't own it
So that it's still in the shop
To buy for whatever pickup it actually is
Doubt you'd be able to repair it before buying it
And making it indestructible is kinda lame
leaden hedge
doubt you'd be able to break it without owning it
young walrus
shrugs i mean, i agree
leaden hedge
so it shouldn't check if its owned
young walrus
but it allows you to throw it in the pool,
rain cedar
Yeah I dunno, I'll test how it behaves later
leaden hedge
unless the box for it in the menu for it is literally
if !ownedCharm_23
show buy charm 23
else if brokenCharm_23
show fix charm 23
else
show nothing
rain cedar
Even if it does let you fix it, what if it removes the other thing from the shop until you buy the fix?
leaden hedge
see how it reacts, then you can think of a solution
the easiest case is it works fine
but if it lets you buy the item but not repair
you could always add another menu to repair stuff whilst talking to him
not sure about if it lets you repair but not buy the item
vale zenith
FYI the mod is open source, in the time it took to have this conversation anyone could have done the work already
young walrus
they're not part of the one i'm using then? lol
rain cedar
Nah the one you have is up to date
young walrus
oh okay
rain cedar
Just not the source on github
vale zenith
Thanks for undermining my point
leaden hedge
does it use the modding api, I don't even remember which one of my 20 assembly-csharps has it
I should probably rename it
rain cedar
vale zenith
It uses the API because not using it is insane
rain cedar
There's the most up to date modding dll
vale zenith
It makes your mod harder to maintain it makes it incompatible with all other mods and it forces you to remake the mod for every new release of the game
leaden hedge
ye but you've gotta ask for every hook you want
rain cedar
That's a one time inconvenience
And you can still write your code without the hook, not like you need to wait for it to actually be there
vale zenith
You can just add the hooks you need to the dll yourself as far as I'm concerned that's not more work than hacking the games dll
And then just send it to Sean or me
If you don't fuck it up we'll just keep it
So that feels like a bullshit excuse for being lazy
leaden hedge
ye im pretty lazy
vale zenith
Well i guess soon most mods will be broken with the update on Halloween
young walrus
so.... you randomized the relics. was that just with each other? or was that part of the charm pool?
rain cedar
Picking up a relic gives you a random relic based on the percents of each relic in the game
Using a combination of the game seed and the room name to randomize
leaden hedge
I dunno why im even looking at randomizer code to test this
I can literally just break the charms without owning them on a normal save
heavy geyser
So like, there will still be 3 arcane eggs or something?
rain cedar
Although none is far more likely
heavy geyser
Ah
rain cedar
Still pretty unlikely, though
If I'm remembering the relic numbers right it's ~1.5% chance of no eggs
leaden hedge
lists them both @rain cedar
rain cedar
What?
leaden hedge
rain cedar
Oh, ok
leaden hedge
rain cedar
Guess I'll update the xml file to include those
leaden hedge
oh btw for creating a hook for when you hit stuff
i think NailSlash.OnTriggerEnter2D works
rain cedar
Alright it's updated to have fragile charms
And I'm not sure there's any point adding that hook unless Gradow is willing to port his mod
Can't think of any other mods that would need it
leaden hedge
I think blackmoth, the flukenest one and lightbringer all have uses for it
but again depends if those authors want to port those mods
rain cedar
Honestly doesn't seem like anyone is interested in mod compatibility if it means actually doing something
And I'm not going to be the one porting everyone's mods for them
So guess we're just stuck in the dark ages
noble trout
@solemn rivet i might not have noticed the flash but i dont think it actually crits because (im assuming crit is a doublw damage hit) i crited a mantis on my first attack but it still took 4 hits to kill
leaden hedge
it depends on your dex
at 0 dex its 23% extra
which is 6 damage
so a whole extra point
wait no, at 1 dex its 1x damage
so a whole 0 extra damage
noble trout
how much levels are there?
leaden hedge
i think 20 is the max
noble trout
i just got a crit for smashing a lantern at the city of tears (the knight was flashing orange)
solemn rivet
Yeah, I fixed it already
You had a 1/101 chance of rolling a crit on lv 1
So I changed it
I also changed it so that no matter your dex, there's at least some added damage if you crit
Basically, the random var ran from 0 to 100, and in the off-chance it was 0, the crit would proc
buoyant obsidian
Reminds me of Whitespace
agile gulch
whitespace?
leaden hedge
@solemn rivet someone streaming on drm free lost stats on save
solemn rivet
I'll take a look as soon as I'm home
leaden hedge
he ws using storage though
leaden hedge
theres a bug that lets you skip cutscenes by dropping on to them with your inventory open, then closing them
leaden hedge
also he reported have modData persist through clear save
so a new save had the previous saves stats
leaden hedge
only latest drm free works doesn't it
solemn rivet
Nope
Some earlier versions also did work
But I had forgot to add this.modData.Reset() to GameManager.clearSaveData()
Same thing happened on the steam ver
But has since been fixed
leaden hedge
oh btw
GameObject[] array = UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectsOfType<GameObject>();
for (int i = 0; i < array.Length; i++)
{
PlayMakerFSM fsm_hp = FSMUtility.LocateFSM(array[i], "health_manager_enemy");
if (fsm_hp != null)
{
string name= array[i].name;
int small = fsm_hp.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Small").Value;
int med= fsm_hp.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Med").Value;
int large = fsm_hp.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Geo Large").Value;
int hp = FSMUtility.GetInt(fsm_hp, "HP");
}
}
are enemy hp, large / med / small geo drops
so you can give mobs more hp and drops
solemn rivet
Can I love you?
leaden hedge
GameObject[] array = UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectsOfType<GameObject>();
for (int i = 0; i < array.Length; i++)
{
PlayMakerFSM expr_17 = FSMUtility.LocateFSM(array[i], "Spell Control");
if (expr_17 != null)
{
expr_17.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("MP Cost").Value = 0;
}
}
@solemn rivet sets spell costs
serene gyro
where can i find this?^^^
rain cedar
That's just code KDT wrote
Highly doubt there's code in the game that makes all spells cost nothing
serene gyro
nah but i was thinking that there is code that sets the spell cost that could be adjusted to nothing
leaden hedge
well there is
its right there
put it into assembly-csharp and your spells are free
leaden hedge
ye its not pre-existing, if it was pre-existing I would have just said look in Class.Function
If you actually want to inject this @serene gyro im not quite sure when the value gets re-calculated,
and you'd probably want to save a reference to the correct PlayerMakerFSM to reduce lag
rain cedar
CharmUpdate is probably a safe place to put it
leaden hedge
I'll look into spell damage later, I know where it is
but for some reason TC don't know about object pooling so all spells get destroyed and reinstantiated when needed, so thats pretty annoying
solemn rivet
KDT those could be real useful if I were to make an actual level up mod, which made levels not only a 'bonus', but somewhat of a necessity
Then again, they could also be used to make luck even more useful (increasing enemies drops)
leaden hedge
I'd definitely make mobs drop more stuff and have more hp the later you get into the game
even if its just on a per area basis
thorn comet
<@&328354344313421825> hey all. Just to keep it consistent with Art Crew and Speedrun.com Mods, youse have a fancy new colour (is it good?) and visibility on member list to the right 😄
rain cedar
Neat
buoyant obsidian
Wowzers
leaden hedge
thats very bright
thorn comet
Tried to make it distinct from Speedrunner, hmm
dapper folio
well, one has to be to mod a game
dapper folio
Lets swap Mods color and Modders color
thorn comet
Is bright bad?
dapper folio
i like it
royal ridge
Same
dapper folio
black is a bad color
thorn comet
I just changed up Speedrun.com Mods a bit. Hows that Sean?
dapper folio
just because the default discord theme is dark
rain cedar
Looks fine still
thorn comet
Ill make Art Crew a little more bright now too
rain cedar
I'm on dark and it's not hard to read Benji/Simo at all
leaden hedge
its probably fine if its similar to the speedrunner colour
rain cedar
Black is fine
royal ridge
Make us Admims bright too 
leaden hedge
they don't get their own listings
thorn comet
I chose black for Admins because it stands out in the way it shouldnt.
leaden hedge
bright black is my favourite colour
buoyant obsidian
We should be white
dapper folio
nah, Admins should be
thorn comet
But everyone is white
dapper folio
everyone's grey
thorn comet
Grey and white look so similar though
dapper folio
a light grey, but grey nonetheless
thorn comet
yeah
dapper folio
Have you guys (the people who make mods) considered setting up a page or pages on the HK wiki? with links to tools and instructions/tips? that way it's not just a bunch of pins with random info?
agile gulch
just make a wiki page with the link to the discord
dapper folio
yeah, @solemn rivet
warped sinew
oh niiice
dapper folio
Bonfire Mod
warped sinew
sweet ill check it out
dapper folio
available on the drive folder
dapper folio
no problem
leaden hedge
I think the github version is more up to date
unless google drive is lying to me, and saying Oct 5 when it wasn't
wheat pewter
Are there any super hard stage mods?.. or is stage making far from where mods are at right now?
rain cedar
Stage making is technically possible but not realistic
wheat pewter
Fair enough. So mostly mods to help keep track of speed runs im guessing?
wheat pewter
thats why they have different catagories right? ^^
leaden hedge
most of the mods just transform mechanics
wheat pewter
interesting.... now im curious. althogh I was hopeing for something that extended gameplay for some reason.. or heck.. maybe even something crazy like a 2 player verses mod in the arena XD lol
rain cedar
Two player is asking waaaaay too much of modders
wheat pewter
that does seem hard.. would be allot of codeing I bet o.o ....also.. dear lord a one hit kill in this game XwX.. heck I gave up on the flower as it allready is XwX
leaden hedge
nah, not alot of coding
dupe hero
add damages_hero fsm to his nail
then
somehow rebind second players controls
the camera would be fucked but I guess you could lock it
leaden hedge
its mainly giving p2 controls that'd be hard
wheat pewter
I see o.o..so.. mapping controlls for player 2 would be the hardest thing....guess making a menu for it and everything would require some extra work
leaden hedge
obviously online is completely out of the question though
unet is a nightmare to get working on your own code
wheat pewter
Oh yeah for sure... but thats a thought ... maybe not vs
but Co op?
or like a vs mode where you dont attack each other.. but both be in the arena and try to get the most kills XD
fun ideas that i bet would be heck to mod XD haha
leaden hedge
for a single room, maybe
multiplayer in general can't really work due to room transistions
modding in multiplayer would be a gargantuan task though
wheat pewter
but yeah.. definitly not online.. man I bet that would be a headach... then having to support ur own servers..well i guess you could do peer to peer
oh yeah.. it would have to be just like... ONLY taking place in the Arena area
but that would be fun in itself.. just mods of that part of the game... having different styled waves... doing the challenges made me wish there was even more after that XD
leaden hedge
too bad you can't really add more enemies to that room
wheat pewter
you cant? o.o.. some kind of cap they allready reach?... really curious about the codeing for spawns in that room now
leaden hedge
you can't really add enemies to any room
theres no spawnEnemy function
the only way to add an enemy is to copy one, which means you need to load a room that has it, then the room you want
wheat pewter
I see o.o ...... times like these I wish there was a detailed development video made for games like these XD so you can see all the details they went through with lvl desighn, enemie placement. Decisions on what to leave in and drop. all that jazz
solemn rivet
Maybe I have answers
wide pier
can you make a mod in which you replace every npc,enemy,etc to look like its a grub
wide pier
i have dis
solemn rivet
Tedious and boring work, but should be possible
wide pier
Yaaaaaay
solemn rivet
Good luck doing that
wide pier
nono
im asking you
to do it
because i have no idea how
Gradow ill buy u a steam game that costs less that 20 bucks if you do it
solemn rivet
Hahaha sorry, no way
wide pier
game under 30 bucks? :c
solemn rivet
The thing is
You'd have to rip each and every enemy, npc, whatever sprites
Make corresponding grub sprites
And replace them, one by one, by hand
solemn rivet
Same thing for audio
wide pier
:c
pure lantern
Number of npcs=number of hours needed to make that mod
wide pier
not rly,im sure some npcs will be easier than others
pure lantern
On average
pure lantern
would still take a very long time since some npcs appear in different places
wide pier
true
pure lantern
you could always try doing it yourself and see how long it takes
pure lantern
just find all of the existing sprites and replaces them with grub sprites
then find sound files that belong to npcs and replace them with grub noises
pure lantern
I'm sure people here could help you out, though I'm unsure if it's possible to change every npc
wide pier
well if there is a sprite for it its possible
but sadly stuff like hornet etc will be hard because of fighting stuff
so i think that will just remain an idea foreva
pure lantern
you'd probably have to decode some of the files, unless replacing sprites can be done otherwise
agile gulch
hollow knight 2: father grub boogaloo
wide pier
what...
OMFG
UR RIGHT LOL
ALL GRUBS R DA RADIANCE
PLOT OF GRIMM TROUPE CONFIRMED
xD
agile gulch
father grub is the radiance confirmed
you play as vessel 2, who must liberate more grubs throughout hallownest to built an army where it turns into a total war game of you commanding grubs against the radiance
wide pier
YEEEEEEEEEE
pure lantern
that's like sending multiple radiances against radiance
obviously the multiple radiances are gonna win
agile gulch
but the grubs are still babies and havnt fed on their kin to evolve so you end up sending thousands of grubs on a suicide mission
pure lantern
or you could just be a pacifist and befriend radiance
agile gulch
"yo rad waddup cmere and infest me boi i aint gonna fite u m8"
pure lantern
the issue is that team cherry will proabably never make hollow grub: the grubbening
solemn rivet
But you could
If you had enough time and patience
Simply extract all sprites with Unity Studio
Remake all spritesheets with grubs
Use UABE to put them back into the game
Done
wide pier
"if youhad enough time and patience" i have no idea + no patience ;-;
wide pier
thats the poiiiiiiiiiint
its boooooooooooooooring
so im not gonna do it
lol
but if anyone goes and replaces every npc and enemy with a grub (after the grimm troupe update) ill give you a game for (max) 30 bucks lmao
buoyant obsidian
8 hours of work for $30 haha nope
agile gulch
thats like 3 dollars an hour
wide pier
<@&328354344313421825>
I give you guys the challange to make a mod after the Grimm Troupe update is out called "Grub Knight" in which every Npc,Enemy,etc is changed into a grub!
The person that actually does a good job will get a game for like max 50 bucks lol have fun.
also larger stuff like Unn,Bardoon,White lady and the Radiance should be changed into Grub father!
have fun doin dat and shit,lol k bye.
(Money can only be paid through games because its money i already have on steam lol,it can be multiple games btw too)
marble scarab
jaja
agile gulch
for a bit but it would be too much effort for one person
wide pier
im sure some npcs etc can just be replaced and changed a bit to fit lul
vale zenith
You pinged me for that shit? Get outta here
solemn rivet
Why don't I have nice new colours? 
vale zenith
You should use the modding API for that Kappa
scarlet gale
Jeez thats easily 50+ hours of work, and that is if it goes perfectly. I dont think anyone would be willing to replace everything with grubs
vale zenith
If unity didn't offload all their content loading routines to the CLR you could just always return the grub sprites for textures
solemn rivet
Including audio tracks
vale zenith
but I'm not gonna dig down into assembly to deal with that shit
young walrus
replacing audio tracks would be hilarious
scarlet gale
I tried editing main character's face once (manually ofc), gave up since its a major pain in the ass. Shitty aligning, flipped sprites, random pixels appearing etc
leaden hedge
you could still replace all the sprites afterload, just iterate through everything thats either an enemy or an npc
the main problem is animations don't line up at all, so nothing would work
vale zenith
the main problem with iterating through everything is that it's gonna be a total pain in the ass and it still won't work for things that are dynamically loaded
unless I iterate every frame
and then performance is fucked
wide pier
;c
pure lantern
50 bucks definitely isn't enough, however I'm sure someone could make a script to do the modding work for you
just detect the size of npc , replace sprites and sounds
solemn rivet
Or they could do it themselves
pure lantern
would be faster to write a script
solemn rivet
But the spritesheets are so finicky tho
pure lantern
good point
would be interesting if someone actually did it
it would be the best HK meme if it would be done
fair rampart
Am I able to set my max health to 1 with CE? I want to do a challenge run
fair rampart
I'll check it out
dapper folio
all it does is make the first hit you take kill you and increases your nail damage by a lot
dapper folio
sadly, fury of the fallen won't work with it
fair rampart
Oooo
dapper folio
because you still have your max health
fair rampart
Well that would trivialize it, right
dapper folio
you just die in one hit
his other mod, Lightbringer replaces a ton of charms and replaces fury with glass soul charm
leaden hedge
hey @solemn rivet
public partial class __ModTest__ : MonoBehaviour
{
// Token: 0x060032C5 RID: 12997
public void spellDamage(GameObject go)
{
if (go.name == "Fireball2 Spiral(Clone)" || go.name == "Hit L" || go.name == "Hit R" || go.name == "Hit U" || go.name == "Q Fall Damage")
{
FSMUtility.LocateFSM(go, "damages_enemy").FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("damageDealt").Value = 0;
}
}
}
public partial class PlayMakerUnity2DProxy : MonoBehaviour
{
// Token: 0x06000FEF RID: 4079
public void Start()
{
if (!PlayMakerUnity2d.isAvailable())
{
Debug.LogError("PlayMakerUnity2DProxy requires the 'PlayMaker Unity 2D' Prefab in the Scene.\nUse the menu 'PlayMaker/Addons/Unity 2D/Components/Add PlayMakerUnity2D to Scene' to correct the situation", this);
base.enabled = false;
return;
}
GameManager.instance.ModTest.spellDamage(base.gameObject);
this.RefreshImplementation();
}
}
why are we disabling damage?
leaden hedge
he wants to set spell damage based of int in his bonfire mod
0 damage is the easiest to test
vale zenith
fair enough
leaden hedge
although that only works for certain spells, I was too lazy to enable lv1 spells and flukemarm, but they'll work the same just gotta find out their names
leaden hedge
you mean the flash or the explosion?
hazy sentinel
explosion
solemn rivet
That's because of the check the mod is using
I don't know how to check for enemies only
So it checks for 'stuff that can cause recoil on hit', basically
leaden hedge
use the thing I added
if it doesn't have "health_manager_enemy"
it isn't an enemy
bleak robin
is gradow gonna get modders role?
hazy sentinel
this is actually ridiculous
agile gulch
is slash speed 1.64 slashes per second or one slash every 1.64 second
hazy sentinel
1.64 times normal speed
hazy sentinel
bleak robin
radiance with 10x hp
hazy sentinel
there are only 22 enemies I can't one shot with fragile strength equipped
bleak robin
17000
solemn rivet
How far into the game are you?
hazy sentinel
p much the end
solemn rivet
Did you do any geo farming?
hazy sentinel
uhhh yes
dapper folio
infinite seals, if i recall 
hazy sentinel
i only got like 80 of em chill out
dapper folio
infinite
leaden hedge
wow cheating
hazy sentinel
not cheating if it's in the game 
solemn rivet
Hahaha
That's actually some pretty good info tho
Thanks for sharing!
Now I'll have to give every enemy 20x hp
leaden hedge
did you see the spell damage code I wrote gradow
solemn rivet
Otherwise it's too easy
hazy sentinel
boi what
solemn rivet
Yup! Saw all of them
bleak robin
20x hp?
leaden hedge
I think 4x
bleak robin
cant wait to fight radiance with 34k hp
solemn rivet
Jk
hazy sentinel
this is actual madness
solemn rivet
But I did think there would be balancing issues
I'll try doubling enemy hp as soon as, say, crossroads gets infected
bleak robin
oh that would be a good turn point
solemn rivet
Or smth like that
leaden hedge
give 1x per dreamer Kappa
solemn rivet
Could be
leaden hedge
1x no dreamers, 2x 1 dreamer 3x 2 dreamers, 4x 3 dreamers
solemn rivet
I would have to see the expected level of a 100% character
leaden hedge
you're going to be doing 3x damage at 20 / 20
solemn rivet
But 80 seals tho
solemn rivet
That's at least 5 levels iirc
Anyway, I haven't touched the code in a few days
I'll see if I can do anything later today
Thank you @hazy sentinel
solemn rivet
And thank you KDT for the very nice codes
Yeah, I'm still not sure how to deal the luck and drops
leaden hedge
just make sure not to mutliply any drops on the shade
solemn rivet
Hehe easy geo dupe
fair rampart
dunno if this is a known bug, but I thought I'd bring it up
the crit sound on my PC is extremely loud
it does scale with the audio setting at least
but if I want it to not blow my ears off, I have to turn it so low that all other sounds are basically inaudible
fair rampart
you copy some dll's to the right folder
leaden hedge
just copy the assembly-csharp to hollow_knight_data/managed
marble scarab
ok
fair rampart
(some mods involve more than one dll)
hazy sentinel
are you talking in general or is there a hollow knight mod w/ multiple DLLs
young walrus
randomizer has multiple
fair rampart
I think Glass Soul is the only mod I installed before this, and it had 2 dlls
maybe older version
leaden hedge
randomizer uses the modding dll
civic hatch
modbreaker at end of month
leaden hedge
if only someone had designed a system that let you write code outside of the dll and have it interact via hooks
then you wouldn't have to rewrite mods after a patch
hazy sentinel
yeah that would be pretty cool
leaden hedge
we already have it Kappa
fair rampart
so, after some more investigating, I think the crit sound is bugged after all
it does scale with audio level somehow, but it interacts weirdly with "master level" and "sound effects level"
I have sound effects at zero, but master at non-zero and I can hear it, and it's still rather loud
leaden hedge
its probably not using sound effects level
hazy sentinel
also the crit explosion is very distracting
buoyant obsidian
solemn rivet
I needed that 753
@hazy sentinel yeah, I agree with you. I don't know if there's a way to change that tho...
solemn rivet
okay, I'm finally going to take a look at the code
solemn rivet
wut