William wanted to say biggest metroidvainia ever in the trailer
#archived-modding-development
warped sinew
royal ridge
I kept saying to Simo, like how is this still going it was so crazy
warped sinew
But he wussed out
royal ridge
Yeah I think I remember him saying that when we met up
tribal nexus
There is no real difficulty curve and the runs aren't varied enough to make it interesting
buoyant obsidian
That's a bold claim
tribal nexus
Which sucks because the game at its core is super fun
warped sinew
I remember after testing it before release I was like... I think this game is the best metroidvaina ever... Better than both sotn and super metroid
tribal nexus
Being a swashbuckling space pirate zooming through the air
royal ridge
I would now
hidden gull
it's that metroidvania craze
Dead Cells is popular because it makes big promises and generally doesn't fail to deliver on them
making a roguelike soulslike metroidvanialike is hard
buoyant obsidian
Backtracking + roguelike sounds kinda odd to me
hidden gull
in general there needs to be a reason for mechanics to exist. Being a cool idea isn't enough
solemn rivet
I agree 753... Something about roguelike never set well with me
There was this recent game which was a metroidvania with "procedurally generated"/modular areas
can't remember what it was called...
but people didn't seem to like it much
bleak robin
dead cells?
solemn rivet
no, it was not a roguelike
bleak robin
gotcha
deep pilot
Sundered?
solemn rivet
I believe so, yeah
hidden gull
Tsundered
solemn rivet
yeah, that's the one @deep pilot
anyway, just glad HK didn't end up going the same route
and with that, I sign off for the day
deep pilot
I believe people felt that the normal enemy combat in Sundered was unsatisfying, with the mobs just overwhelming you at random times.
heavy geyser
dead cells didn't feel like metroidvania or soulslike imo 🤔
but it is fun
deep pilot
Someone who compared Sundered to HK also said he felt that Sundered's upgrade tree was too sparse of good upgrades and that "money" for late upgrade purchases pretty much required finding the equivalent of HK's geo caches since enemies barely dropped any.
warped sinew
Money balance is really hard
But my way is to always balance in the players favour if you are on the fence about something
solemn rivet
I remember someone saying that upgrades in sundered felt really unsatisfying
warped sinew
Better to be slightly lenient than slightly strict
buoyant obsidian
I have a secret gaming philosophy that could change gaming
increased sword hitbox size by 10%, decrease enemy hitbox size by 5%
players will never complain and say "I totally hit him and didn't get hit!"
following the whole slightly lenient vs slightly strict
warped sinew
"Players will never complain" good luck
shadow hare
I imagine this has been said before, but holy crap it's cool that actual developers be in here
warped sinew
I'm only the tester for the game but will and ari do stop by here from time to time.
As the lead tester I fairly involved in the balancing of the game tho
royal ridge
ask them to take away enemy collision this game is TOO hard 😦
warped sinew
Yer wtf
Think I will record a boss rush speed run when I get home
Maybe I'll stream it
royal ridge
I'll try to watch
warped sinew
Won't be for like 2 hours
royal ridge
Yeah that's allg
warped sinew
Stuck at work :(
warped sinew
here is my boss rush speed run
i died on radiance two times lol, not respecting her
rain cedar
Mostly the same as the last one, just with some added hard lock prevention and an option to choose the seed used. Added a README as well
deep pilot
Alright, gotten up to Ancestral Mound and the randomizer seems to be working on Easy (just got dash from the Soul Catcher pickup)
The text unfortunately still states that I picked up Soul Catcher, so that's a bit confusing.
quick ravine
what about stuff like wanderer journals? Are they randomized?
deep pilot
No, iirc
I will say that I got awfully confused and thought the randomizer was broken because my seed randomed into Fury of the Fallen being at the exact same location as in the normal game.
quick ravine
x3
rain cedar
Yeah, text is wrong and it's probably never going to be right
No idea how to change that
hazy sentinel
just change all the text to RANDOM PICKUP
noble trout
@warped sinew that feeling when speedrunning the game until its ending took less time than doing a rush
deep pilot
Goes to Mantis Claw, gets Shade Cloak 
civic hatch
item randomizer would be super amazing
hazy sentinel
it already exists wtf
civic hatch
amazing
deep pilot
I'm so glad I decided to go out of my way to check some charm locations
Thorns of Agony -> Spell Twister
Baldur Shell -> Mantis Claw
Dashmaster -> Crystal Heart
Mantis Claw -> Shade Cloak
hazy sentinel
deep pilot
All I need now is double jump and I'm essentially set in terms of abilities
Well...Isma's Tear would be nice to have as well
noble trout
yeah fuck the uumuu fight
rain cedar
Isma's tear is gonna be in the normal spot
It's not currently randomized because there were some problems with it
hazy sentinel
put isma's tear in lake of unn
rain cedar
I can't really work on it today but tomorrow I'll try to get that working
Haha that would suck, but nah assuming I did everything right all abilities should be reachable
Also @deep pilot That sounds like a pretty crazy lucky seed
deep pilot
Yeah, I'm pretty sure most seeds won't be this good to me
rain cedar
It might not be this way anymore because I changed some stuff, but last night before posting here the seed 123456789 put wall jump at flukemarm
That was fun
deep pilot
lul
kindred palm
Since Kein is off
Is there any tutorial thing of how to make a mod like the Debug Mod?
rain cedar
What do you mean by "like the debug mod"?
kindred palm
I mean, is it possible to continue adapting the Debug Mod for future versions
Using what Kein left us, the latest mod
rain cedar
Yeah, all mods are somewhat open source in that you can decompile the full dll
kindred palm
Is there any tutorial? What software should I use?
rain cedar
But I mean Kein is sending out DMCA notices, it's probably better to make a new tool
That's gonna be the one of the easiest to remake
But also the most tedious
To get started modding you need a program called dnspy
rain cedar
For an idea of how to get started: you'll need to create a new class that inherits from MonoBehaviour, then attach it to a GameObject somewhere early on in the game to make it run
Adding an OnGUI function will allow you to add UI basically anywhere in the game
kindred palm
I have little programming knowlege nor of Unity or Playmaker
rain cedar
I see. Unity is well documented online, but I can't help much with being inexperienced with coding in general
Almost everything in the game is handled through state machines, which ends up being pretty annoying to deal with
Also just Unity in general is annoying to deal with
quick ravine
If I were to modify the spell damages where/how would I do it?
buoyant obsidian
FSMs would be my best guess, Voila. No idea how those work though.
Steven, depending on the type of mod you want to make there are a lot easier options to modify the game.
There's a lot of easy to modify classes even without much knowledge of coding.
vale zenith
I am working on a modified DLL that contains modding hooks at the moment so that we can just host mods without having to host all of the Hollow Knight code as well
If you guys need any specific hooks in there send me a private message with some relevant tagline so that I can look through them later without having to scroll up a ton
stevenlele, if you struggle finding the software for it, then honestly it's probably not for you
rain cedar
The randomizer mod is already working with this, but there's only the seven hooks needed for that right now
I'll look through some other mods and add relevant hooks tomorrow
buoyant obsidian
Kein's debug mod was pretty extensive from what I saw, what would you want to do with your version Steven?
rain cedar
Yeah it's got a ton of features, but none seem too hard to make. Just all together it's a lot of work
finite herald
@warped sinew i enjoyed the run, insane! will be trying a few similar like that and stop going only nail.
What version of the mod are you using? I'm askingbbecause on the last one, fragile strenght goes for 1600 instead of 1100
quick ravine
is playerData.vesselFragments an int from 0 to 9?
rain cedar
Might be 0-2 then reset to 0 on the third
Easy way to check is by looking at a 100% save
deep pilot
Man, this randomizer seed is spoiling me
Just got Quick Slash from where you normally get Spell Twister
quick ravine
Glowing Womb mod changes so far. https://i.imgur.com/0GkWCJh.png
Basically they all start worse than vanilla but get better than vanilla by the end.
Also added charm interactions for the more useless charms.
I haven't changed the damage of spells yet since I'm not sure how, but for now it's honor system.
also I just noticed a bug. I need to move most of this to another if statement since right now it all happens only if glowing womb is unequipped.
Fixed.
vale zenith
When is CharmUpdates called? Will I have to reload or reequip the charm after I get more health?
buoyant obsidian
I know it's called when sitting on benches
solemn rivet
I believe it's called when sitting, loading game and some other weird instances
Don't have the code right now so can't check
quick ravine
I made it call on FinishedEnteringScene() so it would update when you first start the game. Originally I had it only call if glowing womb wasn't equipped so it would equip it, but now it always calls it.
hidden gull
finally got the mod installer configured, now it's 😎 documentation time 😎
quick ravine
Anyone know how max MP and HP works? I'm trying to determine how many mask and soul fragments have been gotten.
The heartPieces and vesselFragments values reset to 0 when you get a new one...
quick ravine
I'm talking codewise... 😞
The problem is I can't check how many vessels have been completed.
I'm using a bit of math to find out how many masks have been collected, but I can't do the same for vessels unless I know the max mp boost that vessels give.
https://i.imgur.com/O8vLzFa.png This works for Health but I can't do the same for soul unless I know the numerical value of a completed vessel
rain cedar
Pretty sure they're 33 mp each
quick ravine
so if I do
(this.playerData.vesselFragments + Mathf.Floor(this.playerData.MPReserveMax / 33))
it should give the total fragments gotten?
rain cedar
MPReserveMax is going to be 33 lower whenever you've died
I don't have a solution to that, though, sorry
quick ravine
But the vessels don't break when you die. Only the main MP pool breaks.
rain cedar
Oh, I see, there is both maxMP and MPReserveMax
I assumed it was all stored in one place
quick ravine
Nope. They're seperate because you have to stop using soul for a moment before it uses the vessel soul
So does that line look right to get the total vessel fragments obtained?
rain cedar
Yeah, I don't see why that wouldn't work
quick ravine
Woo!
rain cedar
Although the floor is redundant
You're dividing two ints so it'll always come out to an int already
hidden gull
^
quick ravine
It actually didn't let me so I had to add an explicit conversion to float and then back to int.
it was annoying
rain cedar
What didn't it let you do?
quick ravine
Divide the mpreservemax by 33
quick ravine
also idk if dividing ints gives a floor value or a rounded value.
rain cedar
It gives a floor
quick ravine
I don't remember the exact wording. x.x I already moved onto testing.
rain cedar
Alright
quick ravine
it shouldn't make a big difference anyway. This is in CharmUpdate() not Update() so I don't need to be quite as careful about efficiency.
But I do recognize that I should always be efficient.
rain cedar
I mean I'm running regex every frame in the main menu for randomizer
So you're probably more efficient than I am
Figure it doesn't really matter if there's a performance hit in the menu, anyway
bleak robin
Is the randomized good to stream? Or are you still working on it
rain cedar
I'm fine with you streaming it
Let me know and I'll watch
It is still a work in progress but I think it's in pretty good working condition right now
bleak robin
if its still a WiP then ill probably wait til after lightbringer to do the randomizer
bleak robin
i wanna save glass soul for last
cause... that deserves to be last
im hoping to knock out at least most mods before grimm troupe releases
charred parrot
Hey does anyone know how the jumping physics in Hollow knight work?
rain cedar
{
if (this.jump_steps <= this.JUMP_STEPS)
{
if (this.inAcid)
{
this.rb2d.velocity = new Vector2(this.rb2d.velocity.x, this.JUMP_SPEED_UNDERWATER);
}
else
{
this.rb2d.velocity = new Vector2(this.rb2d.velocity.x, this.JUMP_SPEED);
}
this.jump_steps++;
this.jumped_steps++;
this.ledgeBufferSteps = 0;
}
else
{
this.CancelJump();
}
}```Ignore the inAcid check
As far as I can tell from looking at other things that's never actually true
heavy geyser
Super jumping when
charred parrot
could you post the part where they initialize JUMP_STEPS
oh oh wait, could you post the CancelJump() definition
oh, and also could you post where they call the Jump function from
rain cedar
I could do all of that but I don't really want to
It's in the HeroController class, you can look at it yourself
rain cedar
You need to decompile assembly-csharp.dll using a program such as dnspy
charred parrot
oh perfect! thanks!~
leaden hedge
why does JumpReleased() have
if (this.cState.swimming)
{
this.cState.swimming = false;
}
how can you be swimming and jumping at the same time, and why is that fine whilst your going up, but not down
solemn rivet
maybe leftovers from some part of code that got deleted?
because it doesn't make much sense
leaden hedge
It's probably something to do with when they prevent the lag from landing / jumping from water
solemn rivet
maybe
Pause() and LookForInput() are the methods that call JumpReleased()
so it shouldn't have anything to do with landing on water (at least, judging from this part of the code)
leaden hedge
its for when you release the jump button
technically you can do that whilst being underwater
solemn rivet
if you do not pause or release the button it shouldn't trigger JumpReleased()
leaden hedge
unless they've changed stuff around
solemn rivet
{
if (this.rb2d.velocity.y > 0f && this.jumped_steps >= this.JUMP_STEPS_MIN && !this.inAcid && !this.cState.shroomBouncing)
{
if (this.jumpReleaseQueueingEnabled)
{
if (this.jumpReleaseQueuing && this.jumpReleaseQueueSteps <= 0)
{
this.rb2d.velocity = new Vector2(this.rb2d.velocity.x, 0f);
this.CancelJump();
}
}
else
{
this.rb2d.velocity = new Vector2(this.rb2d.velocity.x, 0f);
this.CancelJump();
}
}
this.jumpQueuing = false;
this.doubleJumpQueuing = false;
if (this.cState.swimming)
{
this.cState.swimming = false;
}
}
{
this.PauseInput();
this.PauseAudio();
this.JumpReleased();
this.cState.isPaused = true;
}``` {
if (this.acceptingInput && !this.gm.isPaused && this.isGameplayScene)
{
this.move_input = this.inputHandler.inputActions.moveVector.Vector.x;
this.vertical_input = this.inputHandler.inputActions.moveVector.Vector.y;
this.FilterInput();
.
..
...
if (!this.inputHandler.inputActions.jump.IsPressed)
{
this.JumpReleased();
}
}
}```it only seems to require that the game not be paused and accepts input
leaden hedge
yeah they moved the check from outside the function, to inside it the same update
you used to have to be moving up and have jump_steps remaining
solemn rivet
oh
I see
yeah, you're right
it's inside the method now
on another note - look how beautifully named everything is
everything's name tells you exactly what it's there for
this made it SO much easier for me to learn how to mod this game
leaden hedge
yeah but why is their FSM not an FSM at all
solemn rivet
I really wish it was straightforward to mess with FSM
the only way we have right now is... So much awkward
leaden hedge
well its not supposed to be edited from code
leaden hedge
nah it really depends how you program it,
you can make an entire game in a single game component using nothing external at all ( besides a camera to render it )
solemn rivet
oh
bleak robin
i just got the last things i needed for 100% in blackmoth
and is this supposed to happen
i got an extra % somewhere
trim totem
dawn igloo
new speedrun %
shadow hare
what's blackmoth?
bleak robin
a mod
makes it so your nail does 1 damage, but you always have shade cloak
and sharp shadow
shadow hare
that sounds like hell
bleak robin
it starts off as hell, but it becomes super fun
shade cloak does the damage nail would normally, but nail always does 1
shadow hare
does dashmaster and nail upgrades still make damage up?
bleak robin
dashmaster allows faster dashes, which is really good, and allows you to dash down AND UP
shadow hare
what is this clip you have? 😮
slim narwhal
Can someone dm me the boss rush mod files please?
trim totem
is there any way to see when i got my first nail upgrade on a save
hazy sentinel
livesplit i guess
trim totem
does that work afterwards
hazy sentinel
no
and besides I'm like 99.999999999999999% sure the game doesn't save any playtime stuff other than the total
trim totem
trim totem
whoa
civic hatch
ikr?
You literally increase your replayability for the game to infinity.
now we need map randomizer
hazy sentinel
not feasible
civic hatch
I know
still would be fckn dope
I think random enemy spawns would do also
all enemis can now spawn everywhere, instead of the normal enemies
hazy sentinel
radiance spawns instead of gruz mother
rain cedar
Map randomization is actually very possible, just would be a bit tedious
civic hatch
What about enemy randomizer?
I think this would be more interresting for a Binding of Vessel mode
rain cedar
A bit hard but probably still doable
I think to do that you would need to load a bunch of rooms early and cache enemies from them to make copies and place around
So the first load of the game would take a ridiculously long time
But it wouldn't be bad after that
civic hatch
Still no clue how to even code and with what. 🤔
rain cedar
You need a .net decompiler like dnspy to modify the game code
It's c# and uses unity/playmaker
sturdy whale
What mods are there in HK?
hazy sentinel
check pins
sturdy whale
What's debug mod?
hazy sentinel
1 hit death
sturdy whale
What does it do?
tacit dove
1 hit death, damage is increased alongside max health, IIRC.
sturdy whale
Isn't that a bit too
sturdy whale
Oh ok
trim totem
what about that randomizer mod
tacit dove
That one randomises your shit. XfuckingD
muted pine
glass soul doing trial of fools 🤔
buoyant obsidian
Fuck that
sturdy whale
Randomizes?
tacit dove
Yo, tell 753 to put more shit in Lightbringer, and then play Lightbringer. That mod is dope.
marble scarab
glass steel soul
hazy sentinel
hey @buoyant obsidian tell 753 to update lightbringer
buoyant obsidian
More shit you say?
hazy sentinel
VA HUNDAAAA
tacit dove
I need more fun charms to play around with.
marble scarab
there should be a mod that makes your nail do no damage
buoyant obsidian
Lightbringer is basically slightly ranged attacks and new charms
I really do wanna work on Lightbringer some more but it's exam week
sturdy whale
New charms?
tacit dove
It changes out your basic nail swing to be a mid-ranged lance.
buoyant obsidian
I've done nothing but work all day
tacit dove
And has a bunch of new charms based on that concept.
buoyant obsidian
New charms that augment your attacks
tacit dove
Good luck with your exams @buoyant obsidian.
sturdy whale
More range faster cooldowns
sturdy whale
Ricochet?
tacit dove
Life leech is a good example of a fun one.
hazy sentinel
less range slower cooldowns
tacit dove
Or that other one that affects the flow of time.
buoyant obsidian
Half the fun is discovering them, Illusion
tacit dove
Not gonna spoil what they do entirely, but there are some really neat ones in there.
sturdy whale
Does it make the game easy?
muted pine
is there a boss rush mode yet i dont see it
buoyant obsidian
It makes some bosses harder
tacit dove
Lightbringer isn't too hard. It's pretty balanced.
buoyant obsidian
some easier
hazy sentinel
@muted pine there's a DMCA rush mode
buoyant obsidian
The game wasn't designed around ranged attacks so some enemies aren't equipped to deal with it
muted pine
whats that do?
tacit dove
Worth noting, you you collect all the charms and notches, the final bosses are really easy.
sturdy whale
I'm guessing bosses like lost kin become way harder?
tacit dove
Lost Kin is also easy.
hazy sentinel
lightbringer makes p much everything easier
tacit dove
The bosses I had a hard time with were anything that flies aside from Radiance.
Without ruining why, it's a bit more rough than normal HK.
buoyant obsidian
Some of the ghost bosses get a bit harder with Lightbringer
sturdy whale
You'd think ranged won't do good against lots of enemies at once
While melee just kills them in one swoop
I learned that in bbs
tacit dove
Try out the mod and find out. 
tacit dove
Oh, I know. I've done SS 100%. There's a lot of save quitting. But since you can use that as a get out of jail free card, it's basically a normal run.
sturdy whale
I can't even 100% my normal one because of trial of fools
tacit dove
Magic builds, my friend.
sturdy whale
Should I give up on healing?
tacit dove
No. But the I-frames on Dive and the sheer damage output of Shriek will help a lot.
hazy sentinel
only the HD dream bosses eliminate healing's effectiveness
buoyant obsidian
There are very ideal times to heal during Trial of Fools
but don't really try to heal outside of those
civic hatch
@sturdy whale steel soul + randomizer turns your game into a roguelike game
tacit dove
More like a roguelite at best.
civic hatch
I want to make a mod for random enemy spawns. So you can play Binding of Vessel :D
buoyant obsidian
Enemy spawns are still very unknown
civic hatch
meh
buoyant obsidian
alright I have some serious homework to do, cya all
civic hatch
just want the normal enemies to be replaced by random non-bosses
sturdy whale
What does randomizer randomize?
civic hatch
All collectibles
tacit dove
From what I can tell, abilities and charms.
rain cedar
Not all, but close
tacit dove
But I've never tried it.
civic hatch
you could get walljump instead of a charm, like thorns
rain cedar
It's every charm except for shops and shape of unn, as well as every ability except isma's tear
Oh and not Kingsoul either
For obvious reasons
tacit dove
So, can I, say, purchase Shaman, and keep it equipped for the whole run?
sturdy whale
Won't that best game progression?
hazy sentinel
I want to do WP to get wayward compass though
tacit dove
Or will it be randomised out?
rain cedar
Yeah you can keep it equipped, nothing is randomized after you get it
And everything is based on a seed that you can set
rain cedar
Also it does break progression obviously, but it never soft locks (In theory)
tacit dove
Oh, it's pickups.
sturdy whale
I mean if you don't get wraith in the beginning you cant go to greenpath
tacit dove
That sounds cool.
civic hatch
but you csn go somewhere else
rain cedar
Spells aren't randomized
And yeah you can always go somewhere
It's not completely random, there are checks to ensure there's always a way to get everything
sturdy whale
Well then if spells then alright
tacit dove
But here's the question. Will it randomly break a la Blackmoth?
rain cedar
I hope not
civic hatch
Nobody ever heard of legend of zelda randomizer? Ita basically the same idea and yet you cant softlock or hardlock yourself
and you can get heartpieces out of big chests in dungeon, so much randomized it is
rain cedar
Mask shards/vessel fragments aren't randomized right now but I want to add that at some point
tacit dove
Yeah, it sounds like it functions in a similar way so that (hopefully) your progress won't be impeded too much.
What about the Dream Nail and it's upgrades?
Those are pretty important.
rain cedar
Dream nail is not randomized but I probably could add it to the pool
It might cause problems
Isma's Tear causes problems to be in there
It's an annoying pickup
rain cedar
I mean yeah you could if I put that in the randomizer pool, but it's not
Upgrades of other upgrades are problematic because there's no easy way to ensure you don't get the upgrade before the base pickup
Mothwing Cloak/Shade Cloak was a bit problematic because of this same reason, so I ended up just making it so there's two generic "dash" pickups and whichever one you find first is mothwing cloak
Oh right and that reminds me sharp shadow is not randomized because in generation there's no easy way to guarantee that it's accessible
Because of how I handled dash
tacit dove
I don't see randomiser in the pins or the google drive. Can I get a link or something?
rain cedar
Yeah, sorry, I don't have access to pins here for some reason so I didn't pin the link
I'll repost it
civic hatch
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tacit dove
Thanks. I'll play through this tonight.
rain cedar
I've been meaning to randomize relics among themselves
royal ridge
Did you make that mod Sean?
rain cedar
Yeah, me and @vale zenith
civic hatch
Randomize reliqs, notches and health / vessel upgrades with each other plos
stray mirage
what if you try to pick up a king's idol, but it was really the dream nail?
royal ridge
You should be able to pin now
rain cedar
I wouldn't put relics and abilities in the same pool
That would be dumb
Thanks, Benji
hazy sentinel
but would it though
rain cedar
royal ridge
No problem
civic hatch
its notches and mask / vessel fragments only
I think that would be good
except the ones you buy obviously
rain cedar
Does anyone know exactly how many of each relic is in the game?
Or at least approximate percentages
tacit dove
We can count them.
hazy sentinel
14/16/7/4
tacit dove
Bam.
rain cedar
Cool, thanks
civic hatch
what a nerd knowing them from head :^)
rain cedar
There's really more seals than journals?
hazy sentinel
19 rancid eggs in world, 20 in SS (1 next to tuk)
stray mirage
how can lemm eat ten egg if there are only four?
hazy sentinel
yes
civic hatch
Oh! Mix rancid eggs into it also
hazy sentinel
unless i'm wrong and I've been fucking up my 110% runs
rain cedar
Rancid eggs are problematic because there's that dude that sells you unlimited
civic hatch
Fck him.:X
hazy sentinel
tuk him
civic hatch
isnt there a possibility to not include him?
tacit dove
huck fim
rain cedar
Yeah, maybe, but I don't really have an easy way of seeing where a pickup comes from
I guess I could check the player's current scene to know if it's from the shop guy, but I don't really want to add rancid eggs to randomization anyway
They're a pretty useless pickup, it would just be annoying to get them
stray mirage
you guys seem to know a lot about the hollow knight video game here in #archived-modding-development
civic hatch
I see :>
stray mirage
so i have a question that i would like an answer towards
how possible is it to randomize textures and other assets?
civic hatch
rain cedar
Not very
stray mirage
i have had very much difficulty trying to replicate my graphical corruptions
and i have only seen one other person report it
rain cedar
You could probably randomize them outside of the game by shuffling stuff in the resource files
But I don't think it would be easy to do in the assembly
stray mirage
i couldn't think of an easy way to do that
i'm sure there are programs for that
but i couldn't find any
rain cedar
Why do you even want to do this?
rain cedar
That door is bretta
royal ridge
HAHA
stray mirage
correct
rain cedar
Interesting
tacit dove
Jesus Christ, that's horrifying.
civic hatch
LMAO
royal ridge
One half is infected and one half isn't 
civic hatch
how did this happen!?!
leaden hedge
that door is bretta than it was before
stray mirage
the graphical corruption was caused by updating
royal ridge
Have you posted this before Whomst?
rain cedar
Oh
civic hatch
Tried repairing by steam?
stray mirage
yeah
but i can't do it again
closest i got was a few invisible enemies
which isn't fun
civic hatch
repair the files by steam :< ?
civic hatch
reinstalling?
stray mirage
how would that help?
royal ridge
He wants it to do Bretta Door stuff again
civic hatch
The files.get deleted and redownloaded
tacit dove
I want every texture in the game to be Bretta.
stray mirage
i've posted a lot of this stuff here before
leaden hedge
thats probably doable
stray mirage
not in #archived-modding-development though
civic hatch
I want every enemy to be zote LMAO
tacit dove
^
leaden hedge
just load bretta once, copy her tk2dsprite, and paste it over every gameobjects tk2dsprite
on load
stray mirage
i want it to be random, though
tacit dove
What does that even mean?
stray mirage
otherwise it isn't fun
royal ridge
Change Bretta for Zote so you save him instead
civic hatch
Attack of Zote.
tacit dove
I don't mod. I just come here to ask questions and get more fun stuff to do.
stray mirage
here are more things that are bretta
royal ridge
I wish I knew how to mod
stray mirage
civic hatch
same
leaden hedge
in unity every object has components, tk2dsprite is what renders sprites, you can copy it to get the atlas and animations, then replace other objects with brettas
civic hatch
same benji
royal ridge
Kill. Bretta.
stray mirage
i flipped her
dapper folio
I'd get into modding... If only I had a mod idea I wanted to make...
royal ridge
⚔ 
tacit dove
Make every texture Bretta. There's your first mod.
dapper folio
I don't wanna just do a texture replacer
leaden hedge
make the room randomizer, all you have to do is, is go into every room, and figure out every possible combination of items to get to every door from every door
civic hatch
Imagine doing any trial and instead of alot of enemies you fight zote and his minions. Primal aspids? More like Sniping Zotelings.:'D
tacit dove
Then do a boss randomiser.
civic hatch
I WANT THIS ZOTE MOD NOW
dapper folio
hmm... room randomizer... zote mode...
hazy sentinel
zode
stray mirage
this is zote, as we all know and love him
hazy sentinel
at least the UI textures were fine
royal ridge
How hard would it be to give everything a Zote mask?
civic hatch
LMAO
stray mirage
many
leaden hedge
you'd have to edit every characters sprites
hazy sentinel
yeah just go through thousands of sprites and copy zote masks on every one
dapper folio
everything? not hard, just very, very, very, very, very time consuming
tacit dove
What if we made every boss a collection of Zotes?
leaden hedge
and it probably wouldn't fit inside the space
hazy sentinel
just make a zote-ification AI
civic hatch
If you could replace all enemy sprites with the according zote, it would be alright.
Flying enemies are the flying zotes from zote dream fight
and small buggos are the small zotes
and medium enemies are literally zote
civic hatch
bosses usually are the buffed zote
royal ridge
dapper folio
@royal ridge consider it taken (by me)
trim totem
rude
royal ridge
D A M N I T
civic hatch
I'd die playing this
dapper folio
is it damnit or dammit?
tacit dove
Dammit
trim totem
dam it
civic hatch
suddenly zote
stray mirage
consarnit
leaden hedge
but then what does zote turn into
royal ridge
Damn it
leaden hedge
if everything else turns into zote
trim totem
darn it
civic hatch
Zote is just zote
tacit dove
Also Zote.
royal ridge
He turns into a vengefly
tacit dove
Unwrap Zote from a web after fighting off a horde of Zotes.
royal ridge
But i cant call it Hollow Zote; The tale of Life Ender if I do that
civic hatch
exactly
trim totem
ur dum lol
tacit dove
Just find out the the maximum adjectives from the Grey Prince fight are and call it the adjectives mod
civic hatch
change every mention if Hallownest to Zotenest if you are on it already :'D
dapper folio
I got a mod for you, it's called Normal Soul. You play as this empty vessel made from void, god, and root and your goal is to investigate what's causing the infection and put a cork in it
hazy sentinel
replace every word in the text files w/ Zote
dapper folio
nah, dark souls is with playable jerky
civic hatch
"Zote these words are for you alone."
hazy sentinel
steel pyongyang
tacit dove
Hollow Noot. You play as Pingu.
hazy sentinel
Zote zote, zote zote zote zote zote zote.
royal ridge
Surely there isn't that many sprites right guys???
leaden hedge
probably only like 500->1000 enemy sprites
now if you were to put a zote face onto literally everything
civic hatch
In zote beyond they speak your name with reverence and regret,
For none could tame our savage Zote yet you the challenge met,
Under palest watch, you taught, we changed, base instincts were redeemed,
A world you gave to Zote and Zote as they had never dreamed.
royal ridge
If I was going to put it on everything 👀 👀
hazy sentinel
In zote beyond zote speaks zote's zote with zote and zote,
For zote could tame our savage zote yet zote the zote met,
Under palest zote, zote taught, zote changed, base zotes were redeemed,
A zote you gave to zote and zote as zote had never dreamed.
civic hatch
LMAO
hazy sentinel
-Excerpt from a zote to zote, by zote the zote 
civic hatch
"Zote.. you hold your nail like a zote" -- Sly
civic hatch
Bapenada Zotedis
hazy sentinel
zote mask HP bar
royal ridge
I think I'd only do NPCs and Enemies
Is it possible to change the health bar icon? 👀
leaden hedge
yeah
hazy sentinel
and it's only like 4 sprites so it's ez to turn into zote
leaden hedge
"zote" dlc
civic hatch
and make him always talk his nonsense lines
hazy sentinel
3rd playable character more like 1st amirite
leaden hedge
instead of being able to play as zote, everything else gets to play at zote
royal ridge
I could give him the mask
civic hatch
when you walk he goes: "Aklame booptis"
stray mirage
does anyone know what the textures look like in the hollow knight directory?
there are resources and assets
and then just "files"
stray mirage
do you mean in unity studio?
royal ridge
I've got work I'll be back later to discuss how I start this journey
hazy sentinel
what
leaden hedge
yeah, the textures are in the resource files
stray mirage
is it only textures?
stray mirage
so i need to extract them to know which are textures?
stray mirage
what i'm asking is whether or not i can seperate the files that contain textures from all of the other ones
leaden hedge
well each one will have some textures
like one might contain the stuff used in the radiance room
so it'll just have radiances sprites, sprites for that room, radiances sound effects, and generic stuff like ui etc
stray mirage
that's what i was worried about
leaden hedge
if you're looking for a specific sprite, you have to go through every asset bundle
leaden hedge
good luck with that frendo
leaden hedge
if you want to dump every texture
you can probably hook into the tk2d initialize function
and load a random texture instead
civic hatch
So. Is it possible to replace all sprites manually?
hazy sentinel
yes
hazy sentinel
^ understatement
civic hatch
I mean. Just giving all flying enemies the animations of the flying zotelings and so on?
civic hatch
Without swapping all animations manually?
leaden hedge
so you want all flying enemies to look like flying zotelings?
including animations?
civic hatch
yes
and all ground enemies like zote. And all small buggos like small ground zotelings
do I jush copy paste the name of this one specific animation onto all other enemies or is it more complicated?
leaden hedge
it'll be more complicated
civic hatch
fck :/
rain cedar
A lot of enemies are going to have different sizes/amounts of animation frames
This is not a small task, to say the least
leaden hedge
you'd copy the animations from the object I assume
then the real problem is getting it to call the right animation from the fsm
rain cedar
Man I don't know shit about how the fsm works
All I know is it makes everything way harder than it needs to be for modding
civic hatch
I dont care about size. 🤔
leaden hedge
well the way animations work is they have boxes that define a frame and a list of frames that define an animation
so if you put a different sprite sheet in, you'll get the wrong sprite
and mostly only parts of one sprite with parts of another
civic hatch
what would that result in?
leaden hedge
it'd looky really glitch
civic hatch
Damn
leaden hedge
so you'd have to copy the flying zotes animations over
but each animation has a name, and the fsms call a specific animation to play
leaden hedge
so if say aspids attack animation is "aspid_attack", and flying zotelings is "fly_zote_attack" it'd do nothing,
replacing enemies entirely is possible afaik
you just need to get a reference to zotelings
civic hatch
?
leaden hedge
so you can't just do
create("Flying Zoteling");
and expect a zoteling to appear
rain cedar
You need to load the grey prince zote fight and cache a reference to a zoteling
civic hatch
no..But instead of aspids there would be zotelings?
leaden hedge
unity doesn't let you access anything internal, you have to find a zoteling, copy it into memory then spawn that
rain cedar
It's entirely possible to load and unload scenes during the black screen between scenes
heavy geyser
Make a nude mod first
rain cedar
So you could grab it fairly invisibly
leaden hedge
everyone is already nude
rain cedar
It would just look like a long load
leaden hedge
and because you're replacing every enemy, you'd just do it once, when you load in and never again
rain cedar
Yeah
heavy geyser
You don't see DD's hairy pecs
leaden hedge
inb4 zotelings don't work outside that fight
civic hatch
:(
civic hatch
so they would start chasing you as soon as you enter the area?
leaden hedge
I'd assume so
civic hatch
That would be hilarious
enter deepnest.
20 zotes chase after you
it would be a chase
lmao
civic hatch
and every single one of them would be: "Baklava Booptis"
civic hatch
no u
leaden hedge
not everyone can understand the magnifience of zotelings
hazy sentinel
+C
civic hatch
But everyone will
Enter Zotenest
Swapping radiance with buff zote :^)
I'll go and enter unsconscious for some hours
being a useless bum and sleep
solemn rivet
[21:29] Seanpr: Man I don't know shit about how the fsm works
[21:29] Seanpr: All I know is it makes everything way harder than it needs to be for modding
best thing I read all day
I have a dream
we'll all wake up one day and have a nice simple modular interface to make HK mods
bleak robin
hey gradow, idk what happened, but when i finished getting everything in blackmoth, i had 101%
bleak robin
you mean you have 101% no idea why
bleak robin
i was thinking it was something to do with starting with both cloak upgrades
hidden gull
I recall a glitch with a pale ore that caused the player to get an extra percent
solemn rivet
can't be that
I simply removed the check for the cloak upgrades in order to canDash be true
that's why you can still get them
if the mod gave them to you at game start, you would be softlocked after hornet1
leaden hedge
ah its not that hard anyway each FSM has an array of states, each state has transitions and actionData, actionData is what happens on fsm actions like nextFrame or findchild, transitions have an fsmEvent that triggers it, and a destination state it goes to
thats pretty much it for fsms, big chunks of it are private after init though
bleak robin
i also earlier played through again, and decided to fight hornet 1 after beating hornet 2
solemn rivet
KDT I took a look at some fsm dumps... Had no idea what I was looking at
@bleak robin here's why:
leaden hedge
you mean the json dumps?
rain cedar
Your mod changes max health?
solemn rivet
yeah
bleak robin
ohh
solemn rivet
starting health is 6
bleak robin
because of starting with 6 masks gave an extra %
solemn rivet
because I figured you'd get hit a lot
leaden hedge
why not change it to -6
rain cedar
Yeah, easy fix
solemn rivet
since you're basically diving face-first into enemies
yeah
I just never thought it'd be an issue
bleak robin
and theres the whole double damage thing without fury and overcharming
solemn rivet
oh?
bleak robin
you know... you take double damage at the start
and only way to negate is it to equip fury, and be overcharmed
solemn rivet
that... Never happened to me
:x
{
if (this.playerData.overcharmed)
{
this.playerData.TakeHealth(num);
}
else
{
this.playerData.TakeHealth(num * 2);
}
}
else if (this.playerData.overcharmed)
{
this.playerData.TakeHealth(num * 2);
}
else
{
this.playerData.TakeHealth(num);
}```hold on
rain cedar
Oh
bleak robin
i thought it was just a feature
solemn rivet
I thought about both options tbh
rain cedar
I guess with starting health 6 double damage would make it impossible to set up
solemn rivet
with double damage on, it's easy to set up
bleak robin
you take double damage by default at the start of the game
you need this on, and be overcharmed to take only 1 mask normally
rain cedar
Looking at the code Gradow posted that doesn't make sense
leaden hedge
that should only trigger if you have fotf equipped
solemn rivet
here's what it's supposed to do -
- if it's not equipped: nothing
- if it's equipped and you are overcharmed: take normal damage
- if it's equipped and you are not overcharmed: take double damage
bleak robin
well, i took double damage without it on
solemn rivet
that's the only instance in which damage is calculated in HeroController()
bleak robin
let me take it off and check
leaden hedge
@solemn rivet did you try putting the json into a json viewer like http://jsonviewer.stack.hu/
organises it much better, easier to understand whats going on then
bleak robin
right now i got this
buoyant obsidian
So the charm is used solely for equipping charms that cost 4 or more that would normally cause overcharm?
solemn rivet
thanks KDT! Will try that
bleak robin
hmm, i only took one damage, let me test some a new file, maybe i just misundertook everything
solemn rivet
as I said, I had literally no idea what to do, and wanted to experiment with my newfound mod powers
it's not a good mod
bleak robin
okay, starting up a new file to check
bleak robin
okay, it seems like its working fine, i must have just imagined everything
buoyant obsidian
Ah
bleak robin
for one last thing, im gonna check my stream archive
solemn rivet
if it IS a thing... Then I have no idea
I figured the extra 1% might come from that extra mask...
but fotf should work fine
bleak robin
okay yea, i guess there is no issue with it, and i just misunderstood how fury works
i think its cause i put it on when i first got it cause i didn't have any other charms at the time
question, if im using the mod loader, and i have a save file for 1 mod, unload the mod and use a new mod on a new file, then unload that and go back to the first one, will the first file still be functional?
leaden hedge
er yeahish
oh if you never load user1 in the second mod, and only use user2.dat
yeah user1 will be fine
bleak robin
okay, that's what i was talking about
leaden hedge
most of the time using mods wont do anything to your save
solemn rivet
yeah
leaden hedge
lightbringer sets your damage to 1, which you can manually fix anyway with the editor
and the randomizer would probably softlock you
rain cedar
Randomizer does not effect old saves in any way
But it's probably a bad idea to load a randomizer save in vanilla
Actually nah that would work fine, it would just unshuffle all the pickups and it would be as if you had gotten them the intended way
leaden hedge
so if you pickup mantis claw in randomizer and get something else, then unload randomizer
mantis claw is just gone from the game
bleak robin
btw, is the randomizer in pinned most recent one?
rain cedar
Yeah
I'm trying to get Isma's Tear into the randomizer locally, so I'll post that if I ever get it working
Isma's Tear is annoying
solemn rivet
how so?
rain cedar
It's just handled differently from other abilities
Normally if you do something like pickup dashmaster but get mantis claw instead, I can just selectively return true or false on both of those in PlayerData.GetBool to ensure all the proper results
And I do that by looking at the current stack trace to see where the GetBool is being called from
But for Isma's Tear the stack trace is always the same thing for some reason, so I don't have any way of knowing what is asking about it
solemn rivet
oh
rain cedar
Like if the menu asks about dashmaster I want to return false so that it can't be equipped, but I also want to return true when the game is asking if it's been picked up so that the pickup stays gone in the world
And the reverse of that for mantis claw
solemn rivet
yeah
rain cedar
The best idea I've had for isma's tear is to just completely bypass the actual logic for it
Create my own isma's tear bool, and replace all acid damage boxes with water if it's true
But that's not really working out
solemn rivet
sounds like it should work
rain cedar
Well the problem is that you can't actually change the size of a transform easily in Unity
You can just change the scale
solemn rivet
can you, say, make it not do hazardRespawn, and instead just change damage to 0?
or does acid not behave like water?
rain cedar
It doesn't behave like water normally
If you get rid of the damage it's just not there except graphically
solemn rivet
I see...
leaden hedge
just set the hasIsmasTear bool to true
rain cedar
Then the pickup goes away
And it needs to still be there because something else will be swapped to it
rain cedar
Yeah, I guess that's the best option
solemn rivet
so make a bool that checks if the actual Isma's was taken
and if hasIsmasTear is true, but that other bool is not, you drop the shiny
and set it to be whatever isma's would be
rain cedar
I don't actually know how to create shiny objects but worst case scenario I can copy one from another scene
leaden hedge
surely it only checks to spawn isma tear whilst the level is loading
solemn rivet
surely
rain cedar
Actually yeah, that's smart
That's a better solution than looking at the stack trace, I'll switch everything to that if it works
I'll try in a bit, working on another thing right now
solemn rivet
hope it works! This is one of the mods I'm most excited for!
solemn rivet
yeah, I know
bleak robin
it also randomizes relic items right?
rain cedar
Nah, not yet
But that's super easy to do, I just haven't gotten around to it
It would be tedious to actually shuffle them around so what I'll probably do is just give a random one with the same percentages as the actual counts
Using some combination of the room name and the current seed
hazy sentinel
solemn rivet
inb4 a seed with all of them being kings idols
bleak robin
if it works like that, cant you get super lucky and get only arcane eggs
solemn rivet
oh yeah
rain cedar
Yeah but that's unlikely as fuck
solemn rivet
arcane eggs even
bleak robin
just keep resetting
hazy sentinel
yeah it's really useful to have too much geo at the end of the game
rain cedar
It would be roughly a 10% chance for any given relic to be an arcane egg
bleak robin
well, it allows you to get more things early on
hazy sentinel
so that's like a 1.3% chance to get all arcane eggs
hazy sentinel
yeah nvm
rain cedar
So basically 0%
hazy sentinel
solemn rivet
yeah
rain cedar
I guess that's still a chance, though
solemn rivet
I really wish I was into probability and stuff
to know the expected amount of resets to get that seed
rain cedar
A lot
solemn rivet
oh
it's easy to calculate
since it's a geometric distribution
should be 1/p where p is the probability of it happening
so, not a very interesting result
rain cedar
Yeah
hidden gull
yeah since any outcome is equally likely
it's funny how math can be so useful and accessible sometimes, but also so boring that people don't use it
hazy sentinel
only some math is boring
solemn rivet
if X={# of resets till you get that seed with all Arcane Eggs}, then E(X)=1*p+2*(1-p)p+... So it's simply 1/p
@hidden gull the only math I hate is anything involving dynamics or differentials
and as a math student that says a lot
hidden gull
I love pretty much all math, but I'm most interested in computability
and some specific arithmetic-based systems that I'm writing about at the moment
abstract algebra ftw
hidden gull
NICE
hidden gull
I hate calculus for what it does to summation
bleak robin
i was so good a math... then i reached calculus 2... and everything changed
hidden gull
relegates it to "finite calculus"
hidden gull
wait no, it's discrete not finite
this is the highest concentration of math students I've ever known in a game community
solemn rivet
maybe people who like math are attracted to metroidvanias?
hazy sentinel
isn't everyone a math student if you think about it
y'know unless they don't have access to education
hidden gull
There are a lot of math geniuses if you use those viral basic arithmetic problems as a metric
solemn rivet
haha
god I hate those
and some of those are plain wrong
like, "complete the following sequence: 10=1, 11=4, 12=9, 13=16, 20=?"
and everyone comes up with solutions
when there's a freaking theorem that literally says there's no unique (in fact, there are infinite) solutions to those kinds of problems
hidden gull
That's where the self-aggrandizement comes in though
Cause when you say "obviously it's 121 because 10 = 1^2 and 10 + x = (x+1)^2" you get to be right
and you have to use numbers as functions because people lose their shit when you say f(x)
solemn rivet
oh
I was thinking to add both and then square the result
your solutions looks nicer tho
anyway
point=proven
hidden gull
also correct lol
xDD
that would be great if it led to a conversation about intuitionism but people don't like to think that math notation can be subjective because math supposedly can't be
solemn rivet
yeah
hazy sentinel
so you're saying i can use f''''(x) on my homework
hidden gull
only if differentiation is nilpotent over the function
You see Jimmy, subjectivity means that literally all language, philosophy, and discourse is rendered meaningless because that's what Karl Marx wanted when he invented sociology.
royal ridge
Is it at all hard to change both the dialouge of NPCs and any sound effects?
leaden hedge
they are just text in resources
sound effects are just audio files in resources
you can probably find them in game via code though
rain cedar
I think I'll actually look for that
That would be really useful for the randomizer
To make everything show the correct pickup text
leaden hedge
I didn't bother because spells / charms have different pickups and the icon is different for each charm
rain cedar
Yeah, the images will be wrong but it's better than nothing
leaden hedge
I know for a fact, you can hook into langauge.get
rain cedar
AutoLocalizeTextUI.RefreshTextFromLocalization
I should be able to change anything there
I can just do something like:
if (text.Contains("Mothwing Cloak")) text.Replace("Mothwing Cloak", "Dashmaster");
leaden hedge
only works in english