@solemn rivet yeah, basically im looking for like a list where I can choose what boss i want to fight, i want to try all of them with 0 upgrades, but I cant go past flukemarm, although I believe I can do almost any other boss, but if I have to kill flukemarm in order to do that, I dont think I'll be able to do it, since I think he is almost impossible, haja
#archived-modding-development
finite herald
Haha*
@warped sinew i havent tried spell builds or anything like that, I did like a 20 minute bosss nail only, no soul, but wow, 16 minutes sounds insane haha, hopefully you'll upload it, at least on twitch
tribal nexus
@solemn rivet dashing into the infection seeds seems to trigger damage glitches
twice after dashing into them I had issues
first time I couldn't deal any damage, second time it was dealing 1 damage
or low damage
using dashmaster, sharp shadow, and long dash
also I got the shade cloak and it doesn't seem to let me regain soul
tribal nexus
I'm using 1.1.1.8
solemn rivet
of the mod, I mean
tribal nexus
yes
solemn rivet
not the one on the gDrive, but the one I posted here some time ago
solemn rivet
try that
no, maybe I'm wrong
but I -think- the one on gDrive is kinda outdated
btw
bleak robin
Oh, I was using that one
tribal nexus
I just figured since the gDrive one was 1.1.1.8 it would be farther along than 1.0.1
bleak robin
Can you unload that one and load the new one without losing anything?
tribal nexus
but it might be referring to the version of the game and not the mod
solemn rivet
this is the .dll for the boss practice mod². As you all can see, it's pretty ugly and clearly built on top of the Boss Rush mod, but I think it can be useful
you can, Dark Xenon
save files should not be a problem
at least, I used to use a 100% file of mine to test how some charm combinations would interact with eachother
bleak robin
Oh sweet, can you dm me the updated version? So I can get it easily, if you can't it's fine I'll get it later
bleak robin
Thanks 
solemn rivet
btw that version of the Boss Practice mod² has some terrible issues with boss respawning... I was trying some things out and forgot to patch it out
sadly I don't really have the time now
here is the modbundle for the (tentative) latest ver of Blackmoth
bleak robin
Wait, what's the difference between those two links?
deep pilot
One's a zip, the other's a modbundle
bleak robin
Oh
solemn rivet
No problem
buoyant obsidian
I spent all my geo on repairing fragile strength and couldn't beat Collector in boss rush :(
solemn rivet
I love how easy to beat the Collector was in Lightbringer
tribal nexus
haven't killed a dreamer yet but the crossroads are infected
rip
probably because I got the shadecloak
or maybe it was the awakened dream nail
oh dear quickdash lets you dash forever in the air
oh but only either horizontally or vertically
not both
tribal nexus
the small bees aren't meant to survive a nail hit. So no knockback. Good for building soul though
time for white palace oh boy
you can entirely skip the right part which is nice
heavy geyser
You can if you're lame 
tribal nexus
Using blackmoth so i can super jump
but yes I am lame
the dash is actually too far
It's screwing me up
have mark of pride, dash master, quickdash, and sharp shadow. I dash too fast. halp
finite ether
ashen sluice
Blackmoth mod is giving me issues
the dash keeps refusing to do damage sometimes
but it is forcing me to kill everyone on brute force this is hilarious
also made it get stuck https://gyazo.com/d3883202446c2ad88ee9404c8c4eba6a
save him
tacit dove
I had similar issues during my playthrough with Blackmoth. Occasionally, when I took damage the dash would no longer hurt enemies or break anything. I found it to be most easily replicable on Dung Defender and White Defender, since taking damage at all during those fights forced me to resort to magic.
tribal nexus
I noticed it seemed to always happen with infection seeds
ashen sluice
I had to brute force the mawlek cause man I was not willing to reload
tacit dove
@ashen sluice You just starting, or fighting Mawlek later?
tacit dove
Go to Deepnest ASAP, Sharp Shadow is amazing.
ashen sluice
Brute forced it for 15 minutes cause it got stuck to the wall 😂
ashen sluice
I decided to beat it without getting any spells cause I'm that much of an idiot
tribal nexus
10/10
tacit dove
Just reload a few times. It broke when I equipped too, fortunately all your ails with Blackmoth can be cured by turning it off and on again a few times.
tribal nexus
I don't use spells much because soul building is broken
shade cloak doesn't build soul :/
and using nail is lame
tacit dove
I mean, just hit them with the nail.
Problem solved.
The nail barely even scratches the enemies' health pools, so it's not like it matters a ton.
ashen sluice
I'm considering trying the light bringer mod because it has a lot more stuff
tacit dove
Finih Blackmoth first, Lightbringer is easy as fuck next to it.
tacit dove
Unless you get Fury right away, then it's hard as hell.
tribal nexus
the only reason I haven't beaten it is because I wasn't trying to rush for the end
I haven't even killed any dreamers yet
but I have the shade soul
tacit dove
I did Blackmoth super our of order and had barely any upgrades for most of the bosses.
Makes it much harder.
Best I had was MoP because I did Mantis Lords third.
tribal nexus
I just did bosses whenever I felt like it
tacit dove
I would suggest doing all bosses, though, ToF is a bastard even with all the upgrades.
tacit dove
Same deal, reload.
ashen sluice
Sometimes when i load it does too much damage. Sometimes too little
tacit dove
That one seems to be rarer, though. I only had it once going into City.
ashen sluice
Happened twice now to me
ashen sluice
LOL
tribal nexus
wonder if I'll first try the failed champion
tacit dove
Probably, he's easy.
bleak robin
Marjhak, how long did soul tyrant take you?
tribal nexus
soul tyrant was pretty easy
tacit dove
1 try ~ 5 mintes.
modern hound
Im gonna try to install the modloader onto my mac
tribal nexus
and beat it. 96%
can't be bothered to find the grubs
well grubs, spore shroom, 2400 essence, and ToF
but mostly just grubs
although i probably should if I want the speed completion achievment
good mod though! :)
modern hound
Can someone help me install mods onto my mac?
solemn rivet
which one, exactly?
okay, I'm finally on my pc
I'll take a look at Blackmoth, see if I can find any potential causes for the bugs
modern hound
isnt there this central one
hazy sentinel
not really
mod loader is to help make installing/uninstalling mods easier
it's not required
and most of the mods can't be installed at the same time as one another
unless you combine the changed code into the same assembly file
solemn rivet
Which, as of now, is a pain to do manually
so most of us simply either keep a copy of each mod at hand, or simply use the modloader
modern hound
Okay I want to load black moth
how would I go about doing that
Oh wait theres instructions
solemn rivet
oh
didn't realise I wrote instructions for the mac ver
:x
and I think it might be outdated
solemn rivet
advertisement?
solemn rivet
no
open the hollow_knight.app
then go into contents/data/managed
and put the Assembly-CSharp.dll there (make sure to backup yours first)
modern hound
theres just etc as a folder
modern hound
yeah
Im in managed
do I just put assembly csharp?
or the other stuff
like resources assets and shared assets
modern hound
ok assembly is in managed
hazy sentinel
basically just replace the files you already have with the modded ones
modern hound
Where do I put tthe resources assets and shared assets
hazy sentinel
uhhh idk the mac layout
but it should be the folder or whatever containing managed
modern hound
no hk data is the folder I got from the drive
hazy sentinel
but maybe double check by searching the game folder for resources.assets or whatever
modern hound
the normal data one is the one in the game
hazy sentinel
ok so just search the game folder for resources.assets or whatever and just replace that file w/ the modded file
modern hound
so I did
hazy sentinel
if you see a heckton of .assets files that's where the .assets files go
modern hound
but there is only 1 matching file
modern hound
managed holds csharp
solemn rivet
yeah
modern hound
data holds the two .assets?
solemn rivet
precisely
hazy sentinel
don't really need to go that far
just backup the files you're going to replace
or just rename them to resources-VANILLA.assets or something
modern hound
I may forget
best I just have a full copy just in case
Then again if I lose data I get to reply the entire game again 
hazy sentinel
i mean the save files aren't in that location anyways
solemn rivet
or, you know, just make steam verify the files
hazy sentinel
tfw you play DRM-free so you can't play w/ any mods 
solemn rivet
@tribal nexus I added the Debug Mod's overlay to Blackmoth to show current nail damage onscreen
anyone willing to try this for a while and see exactly what causes the damage to get stuck to 1?
solemn rivet
did the title screen change?
hazy sentinel
rip
solemn rivet
care to try again?
because we instructed someone else earlier on the week and it worked just fine
modern hound
ok
whatshould I try again?
Do you want to screenshare to get full updates on this?
modern hound
are you mac based?
solemn rivet
I'm not, but I have a local installation of Hollow Knight for Mac for this purpose
ok
Assembly-CSharp.dll should go into \hollow_knight.app\Contents\Resources\Data\Managed\
solemn rivet
resources.assets and sharedassets1.assets should go into \hollow_knight.app\Contents\Resources\Data\
modern hound
i just realised what I did wrong
I skipped resources
and it crashed
and I gotta get off
solemn rivet
Here's the .dll for the debug version of Blackmoth. All it does is show current naildamage on screen. I would be very grateful if people could use this to help me try and find the cause of the bugged dash damage
rain cedar
So I'm trying to add UI to the boss rush mod for custom order, but I can't use ReorderableList because the UnityEditor namespace doesn't seem to be accessible
Anyone with more experience with Unity know how to make UI for this?
solemn rivet
:x
modern hound
@solemn rivet can you pm me that file?
solemn rivet
can't you simply choose which bosses to fight using my Boss Practice mod in any order you want? I know you want to make it an add-on to the Boss Rush mod, but...
rain cedar
I mean I can easily hard code in any boss order I want as well, I just would rather have it changeable in game
It wouldn't be hard to change this, I just have no experience at all with Unity so I don't know how to make proper UI
solemn rivet
I see
well, what Boss Practice does is let you choose which boss to fight from a list similar to the one you use to choose Charms in the original BR
I don't know how to make a reorderable list tho
=\
sry
man, I wish we could simply import .cs/classes directly into dsnpy
compiling new classes is a pain without it
rain cedar
You can make a new class and just copy/paste in
solemn rivet
but most classes won't compile
because of ambiguity
even precompiled ones
this is me trying to compile HeroController
rain cedar
I'm able to edit some classes like PlayerData
Even if you can't compile the full class you can edit most things in it
solemn rivet
yeah
but, say, if I wanted to merge the same class of two different mods, I could just export them to .cs, use a text comparison software to add changes from one to the other and then import the new class
basically merging two mods
because, let's be honest, if I have to manually add in every new method, variable and redo every change to existing methods... It's a pain
rain cedar
It is, yeah
solemn rivet
also, does anyone know what the differences between the windows and macos versions are?
I take a quick look through the code and couldn't find any differences, but that doesn't mean there isn't one...
rain cedar
Are you sure the mac version is even using the code you're looking at? .dll files are a Windows exclusive thing
solemn rivet
yeah
I'm pretty sure
I downloaded the mac ver using steamcmd
also, the mac ver of BR has a .dll
and lightbringer
leaden hedge
well you can import cs, just make a new class and c+p it
also all the ui stuff should be accessible aslong as your class extends MonoBehaviour
leaden hedge
ReordableList is a unity editor class iirc
its for the inspector
if you want a list you can reorder thats just a normal list
whats your list made of
leaden hedge
just make an array of every string
and change the strings at the 2 indexes when you want to change them
rain cedar
Right I know how to make and change an array, I don't know how to do this through in game UI
leaden hedge
are you using IMGUI
solemn rivet
@leaden hedge problem is, if I c+p it, it doesn't compile - even for precompiled classes
well, not always, at least
leaden hedge
only ambigious stuff should fail to compile
solemn rivet
yup
rain cedar
Not currently but if that's what I need I'll use it
leaden hedge
function OnGUI () {
for(int i = 0; i < bossList.length; i++){
if (GUI.Button (new Rect (x, y, width, height), "U")) {
//Swap bossList[i] with bossList[i+1]
}
if (GUI.Button (new Rect (x, y,width, height), "D")) {
//Swap bossList[i] with bossList[i-1]
}
}
}
gui buttons return true when clicked
so just put what you want to do when they are clicked in the if statement
obviously this won't look pretty, but it'll work functionally
I don't think new classes can have OnGUI so you'll have to call yours from another class that already has it
leaden hedge
obviously put a label before the u / d saying which boss it is
heres all the things you can make with imgui
rain cedar
Thanks
leaden hedge
oh thats missing one thing https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/GUI.DrawTexture.html
for if you want to replace your buttons with an image
leaden hedge
yes textfield, then just delete any character that isn't an int
leaden hedge
don't implicitly convert
you wanna do a regex replace, to remove everything that isn't [0-9]
solemn rivet
will add that to the boss practice... To allow the user to select how much they want their hp/mp/naildamage to be
oh
I see
leaden hedge
or you can intercept the input actually
solemn rivet
I... honestly think that's currently beyond me
leaden hedge
char character = Event.current.character;
if ((character < '0' || character > '9') ) {
Event.current.character = '\0';
}
put that at the start of your OnGUI
modern hound
x10 mod suggestion?
half wraith
So, you know how after you rescue Zote, he hangs around Dirtmouth constantly talking? Can anybody send me his audio file for that?
rain cedar
buoyant wasp
so with the debug mod, do you have to swap the dll in/out for practice/runs or does it have the ability to be toggled on/off in menus of some sort?
rain cedar
You need to have it uninstalled for runs
buoyant wasp
k, figured as much
wish i could just have 2 installs of the game
guessing steam drm breaks that tho
rain cedar
Nah it works fine
I have every version of the game as well as a few mods on my computer
buoyant wasp
what does it do for saves? do all of them try to use the same app folder or is there a config that tells it to use another folder?
rain cedar
They all use the same saves
buoyant wasp
k, so still need ot manage, that, but at least not having to futz with mods is good
hmm, that'd be a good mod to make, one that lets you specify which save folder to use in some sort of a config file
warped sinew
@finite herald i'll make an actual speed run video of boss rush once i figure out the best run
the time i posted before was just be going off intuition.
half wraith
@rain cedar Thanks!
solemn rivet
@buoyant wasp just sayin, but the mod manager trivializes that process
simply click a button to load/unload a mod
also, sorry but for now I'll mostly only do bugfixing for Blackmoth on a request basis... My studies are taking all of my free time
bleak robin
I cant think of many issues in it besides the shade cloak suddenly not working on DD and WD
Sharp shadow not shade cloak
solemn rivet
you mean - it does 1 damage or it doesn't double your damage?
I posted a "debug" ver of the mod last night... It shows your current nail damage on screen at all times
if you'd like, you can try playing with that and see what triggers the bug
bleak robin
I mean, the dash just stops doing damage on those bosses
bleak robin
It happens sometimes during regular gameplay, but it's happened almost every time I fought those bosses
solemn rivet
:x
bleak robin
Or, at least it stopped notifying me that I did damage
Didn't make the little damage sound anymore
Or signify it in any way
I managed to get through both with nail and shade soul, it was actually still really neat way to fight them with the modded charms
solemn rivet
that... Shouldn't happen, like, at all
bleak robin
I think it's something to do with dashing through him while he's diving up and down through the ground, cause hitting him right before he ducked down seemed to make it stop working
bleak robin
If you want to check it out, I streamed last night so you can check my past broadcasts
bleak robin
Last night had WD and day before had DD
solemn rivet
okay - can you link me your stream channel?
quick ravine
discord forces links to have http:// or https:// iirc...
bleak robin
Oh
bleak robin
👍
solemn rivet
solemn rivet
now I gtg
if anyone has any feed back on either Blackmoth or Boss Selection, please either @ or DM me
half wraith
Does HK's save file contain information like number of deaths or any other stats like that? I'd be interested to look in my save file and see what kind of stats there are, if there are any tools to do such a thing.
leaden hedge
no
I can add json dumping to my save editor if you want to look at everything in there
@half wraith heres whats stored in the save
leaden hedge
"completionPercentage": 97.0,
for some reason they renamed the variable
and didn't remove the old one
finite herald
Graig#2516 damn, looking forward to see that. 14 minutes, that's insane haha
heavy geyser
Is it possible to remove the dark fade when you open the menu or map? I want to see my little knight walking with the map more clearly
hardy tiger
Accidentally deleted my Assembly-CSharp.dll backup lol, does anyone have one I can use?
buoyant obsidian
Steam does
solemn rivet
Just ask Steam to verify integrity of game files
scenic slate
just tried boss rush for the first time and after gruz mother I tped to radiance, is that supposed to happen? ;p
hazy sentinel
there used to be a key shortcut to make the next boss the radiance
you might've pressed it
it might still be in current version, i haven't really been following BR
hardy tiger
Yea I fixed it with the verify files thing, my b lol ty
solemn rivet
try verifying game files via steam
modern hound
how do I do that?
hazy sentinel
go to steam library
solemn rivet
hazy sentinel
properties -> local files -> verify integrity of game files
bleak robin
well, verifying the game files would uninstall all mods
it sets game back to default
solemn rivet
there must be some difference between the windows and the mac dlls that I'm unaware of then
modern hound
Is there any mods that have confirmed to work on macs?
leaden hedge
any mods made from a mac dll
modern hound
yes
buoyant obsidian
Buy me a Mac and I'll publish mods on it
modern hound
Just buy a 1980s windows computer, it runs just as well as a mac
solemn rivet
Tsc
I really wish that HeroController would compile... Would make my life so much easier
Wait, I have an idea
solemn rivet
Okay, I have classes for 4 hours straight now. After that I'll try and make a functional dll for mac
vale zenith
HeroController is a class 😛
buoyant obsidian
That'd be pretty difficult to do but good idea
civic hatch
This is a gold idea
heavy geyser
I always ran out to Zote whenever i died to his dream
bleak robin
you ever figure out that issue with DD and WD?
tribal nexus
Lifeseeds consistently bugged the damage, maybe try looking into those? They'be caused it to both do 1 damage and no damage. When I am on my computer I'll install the one with damage numbers and look into it a little
Those one's effected even when using the dash
I noticed using the nail could cause issues
So I kinda just stopped using it.
solemn rivet
So, this -should- work for mac
would be great if someone could test this for me
also, please rename it (remove the .mac)
tribal nexus
Do you think it would be possible to always have nail damage at 1 while having dash damage at whatever value it's supposed to be
So that way DMG doesn't constantly switch?
solemn rivet
well, only if I could change directly how the game calculates dash damage
but it's hardcoded to be equal to nail damage...
at least, that's the part of the code we have access to...
tribal nexus
Do you think you could make a 0 notch charm that effects the dash damage while keeping the nail damage at 1?
Nevermind that would probably still have the same issue because then instead of something like
dashDMG=nailDMG
It would be
charmDMG=nailDMG
Which would have the same issue
:/
solemn rivet
yeah
there probably is some roundabout way to make dash do 0 damage and then on collision do intended damage, so the overall effect is that "dash dealt damage"
but idk how to do that
solemn rivet
what I first tried was to set damage to full damage as the first line of HeroDash() which is basically the "do the dash" method, while it set damage to 1 on the first line of Attack()
this didn't work (for some reason)
now what I did was set damage to full if dash is/was pressed, and damage to 1 if attack is/was pressed
this seemed to work for me
tribal nexus
I don't see why changing parts of the method would have that issue
solemn rivet
what happened before was that it worked fine... Until you either died or reset the game
after that, you'd be stuck with 1 damage forever
I have no idea why
tribal nexus
Did it have any problems with sitting on benches?
tribal nexus
Well I was just thinking because both dying/resetting puts you on a bench. Although it could just be issues with loading the character after death or something.
solemn rivet
one other solution I tried was to constantly check for herocstate and if it was dashing, set damage to full, otherwise set damage to 1
tribal nexus
What was the issue with that?
solemn rivet
same issue
tribal nexus
Ah
solemn rivet
stopped working for some unknown reason
solemn rivet
okay! Thanks for all the feedback!
autumn flower
These are the save files right?
solemn rivet
yup
hazy sentinel
boi screenshot
autumn flower
Thanks for letting me know, Im just backing it up because one time windows 10 updates corrupted some of my files once
And Im too lazy to screenshot right now lol.
what got corrupted was my save file for xenoblade on dolphin and my drivers for the gamecube adapter to run on my pc.
leaden hedge
too lazy to screenshot? Kappa
just press alt+prtscrn on the window
and then ctrl+v on discord
tribal nexus
Or snipping tool
leaden hedge
snipping tool is nice, but he said he was too lazy to screenshot
snipping tool is atleast 4 inputs
tribal nexus
I don't know how to screenshot without skipping tool
leaden hedge
skipping tool op
tribal nexus
Blackmoth is a powerful skipping tool
You can skip right to queen's gardens
Although idk how far you'll get because you might want double jump
But if you go get dash master
autumn flower
KDT I didn't know you could do that.
tribal nexus
You won't need double jump
leaden hedge
well next time you need to screenshot something, you now know
tribal nexus
To screenshot press cntrl alt delete and hack the pentagon
With an axe
Oh shit I'm on a list now aren't I
hazy sentinel
ok google how to hack cia
tribal nexus
Can I use DuckDuckGo?
leaden hedge
can i use askjeeves
covert wadi
is there any kind of boss replay MOD ?
tribal nexus
Boss rush would be your best bet
buoyant obsidian
Boss Rush is good stuff
solemn rivet
morky I did a mod of the boss rush mod to be able to do that, but it's bad
shadow hare
How is the mod set up? Is it like Kirby boss rush where it's just corridor - boss arena - corridor etc?
rain cedar
You use dream gate to teleport to bosses
buoyant obsidian
There's a spa that acts as the hub for the Boss Rush, and you dream gate to teleport from boss and back to the hub where you can purchase various upgrades (charms, damage, health, etc)
shadow hare
Huh. Cool. Is it a menu option once the mod is installed?
solemn rivet
it's an option when you start a new game
shadow hare
Does the save manager in the pins just make a clone of your current four saves, and allows you to swap them out?
shadow hare
Also is the mod installer required for any and all?
shadow hare
Ah, kk.
Is the boss rush in the big mod dump list that dargon put up?
Or at least, if not, where'd be a good place to find it?
rain cedar
It's there
Also: I've got an early build of a randomizer mod if anyone wants to try it. Currently it is semi-randomly swapping around all of the pickups in this pastebin: https://pastebin.com/m2bnL093. Every randomization is seeded so save&quit does not mess anything up, and there is checks in the randomization to prevent soft locks, even if not using glitches
There is less strict requirements in steel soul, which can lead to some pretty cancer stuff required. I'll add an actual in game selection for that mode later
shadow hare
What all does it randomize? Charms masks vessels?
rain cedar
Also when I said steel soul can lead to some cancer stuff required I mean stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqatEshyGJg
So play in steel soul at your own risk
Oh yeah also doesn't affect previously created saves, so it's not gonna mess anything up if you load other games
rain cedar
I mean it's not completely clean
You get the wrong popups when collecting things
Never could figure that out
And the way it works internally is actually very hacky
I'm just overriding the PlayerData.GetBool function to return different values depending on where it's called from to be able to have abilities without their pickups disappearing
Oh yeah also before I forget @vale zenith did a lot of the work too and he'll probably get mad if I don't mention that
deep pilot
This might be too much to ask, but is it possible to create randomizer seeds which minimize glitchless skips? Cause tbh, I'm not comfortable with most of the glitchless skips that I've seen in the NMG speedruns.
Sort of similar to the "casual" level of randomizer that the Ori randomizer uses.
rain cedar
That's pretty much what playing in classic mode does
Only thing you might have to do there is shade skip, I think, which is really not that bad
Explosion pogo, crystal heart without dash, fireball skip into fungal wastes should all be steel soul only, and still pretty rare even then
I do want to randomize spells as well but that's gonna be a big hassle because they're stored as ints
Different from everything else I'm doing
Also not much point because you need either fireball or dive to get through the fireball tutorial and you need dive to get through the dive tutorial
Could barely even change them without soft lock potential so eh
deep pilot
So there's no way to randomize the charms sold in the shops with the charms found in the overworld?
rain cedar
The problem with those is the image in the shop is still of the charm it's supposed to be, meaning you're spending geo blindly
That's something else I'll work on figuring out
deep pilot
Also, do you think in the future you'll be able to work in mask shards, vessel fragments, and relics into the randomizer?
rain cedar
Pickups are already crossing type with charm/ability, but yeah I could put those others in
Although I would want to keep relics as relics
Maybe just randomize which type
Otherwise that would suck
deep pilot
Because some relics can be permanently locked off?
rain cedar
Mainly because it doesn't sound fun to try to hunt down the obscure relic which happens to be the dash pickup
But yeah that too I suppose
rain cedar
Oh right if you manage to get to Soul Master without mantis claw (Possible with double jump) it would normally be a soft lock because of the hard save but I added a platform after soul master if you get there without it to make the jump possible
There's a similar case if you make it into ancient basin without wall jump or double jump and rest at the bench down there, but I'm not sure what the best thing to do about that is
Maybe a platform leading up to the white palace stag? Don't think that would break anything
shadow hare
here's a dumb question
how the hell do i use the save manager?
I don't see any actual executable in here, unless the jar is it
rain cedar
.jar files are java executables
I left debug output to D:\test.txt in that randomizer assembly I posted earlier because I'm a dumbass
So it'll probably crash for anyone without a D drive
There's a fixed one
shadow hare
where do i put that?
plz help, I'm having a dumb
oh, i didn't actually have java downloaded
that's a first step
rain cedar
Mods go in Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/Hollow_knight_data/managed
If that's what you're asking
And not something about the save manager
shadow hare
I don't know how to get the manager itself to launch
rain cedar
Just double click it with java installed and it should work as long as your file associations are set up right
Otherwise you can do java -jar thing.jar from the command line
rain cedar
Just make a copy of everything in appdata/locallow/team cherry/hollow knight
I dunno if there's a way to do it with the save manager
Never used it
shadow hare
basically i wanted to make saves for watcher knights/uumuu practice
rain cedar
Oh, I see
There's nmg practice saves up from 5 months ago on speedrun.com
Probably mostly relevant still
Might have a nail upgrade, but nothing else is gonna be different
shadow hare
I can make my own, it's just a thing of I'm technologically dumb, but I want practice that doesn't require me to burn an hour to get to every time
rain cedar
Right
I think what you want is more along the lines of the debug mod
You can respawns bosses and teleport to them from anywhere
So you don't even have to replace saves to practice bosses
Very fast
rain cedar
Yeah, the game hasn't updated since Kein dropped off the earth
So all his mods are still up to date for now
shadow hare
ah, k
rain cedar
It's meant for use with some kind of mod installer but honestly that seems like more work to me than just copy/pasting the stuff
shadow hare
ok. think we in there
quick ravine
The mod installer is more for if you play multiple mods and switch them out regularly.
or play mods and go back to vanilla a lot
Otherwise it's easier to just C+P
shadow hare
now how do you teleport to places? o-o
hazy sentinel
dream nail+up
shadow hare
i mean, how do i specify what place to go to first, or do i have to have been there first
hazy sentinel
dream gate is placed automatically for BR
shadow hare
(br?)
quick ravine
they're not using BR; they're using the debug mod
hazy sentinel
oh ok
shadow hare
do i have to go and manually place it?
shadow hare
should i just do my any%run as standard up to watcher knights, then just use that as a base, or something?
because if I can force respawn them, then I figure the rest is just practice
right?
hazy sentinel
you can just give yourself abilties and skip straight to CoT
quick ravine
The debug mod lets you give yourself charms and inventory stuff.
So you should be able to just go right there.
shadow hare
but if I'm a babby and want to make srue everything lines up properly, my method is likely the safest, yes? -w-;
hazy sentinel
you can also take items away after you're at WK
just give yourself whatever you'd have at that point
shadow hare
which would be dash, wall kick, lvl 1 nail, and shaman stone
dapper folio
so, um... I got like 5 of these emails, all regarding Kein's mods
rain cedar
That's fun
Do you still have them? We can just upload them somewhere else and not post it anywhere but here
Not like he'll know
What a piece of shit
dapper folio
Yeah, I still got them
marble scarab
what
dapper folio
I just moved them from my client-side drive folder to a different folder
rain cedar
Debug modbundle is even still on the regular drive link
rain cedar
No one knows
dapper folio
Well, for now, I'll just provide the mods via direct message upon request
boreal valve
Wait, did Kein issue these copyright claims or did he use some stuff that was copyrighted?
This is all weird
dapper folio
none of the other mods got hit
so either it was something special he did
or it was him
or someone else trying to make it seem like it is
rain cedar
Which mod was this?
dapper folio
save anywhere
hp bars
boss rush (3 emails about this one)
took noui and debug out to be safe
rain cedar
Weird
I mean he does have a lot of Team Cherry images in the boss rush one so maybe this is some automated thing they have set up
I feel like if it was him he'd have tried to get all the mods taken down
rain cedar
I see
dapper folio
he literally could've just asked me to take them down
rain cedar
But he cut all contact with anything hollow knight related
For whatever reason
Deleted his FAQ on Steam forums, deleted all posts on /r/hollowknight, left this server and deleted mod links from here
I don't know why he's doing this but he really wants nothing to do with this game anymore
dapper folio
zreshct uses the drive links, I'll send him a message letting him know
rain cedar
Could you send me all the mods?
dapper folio
sure
boreal valve
Didn't you make it clear that all the mods were being stored in a google drive folder? I'm sure you also asked him yourself.
rain cedar
Yes every mod is stored there and he knew about it
boreal valve
He could have voiced his concern right away. That pin was made months ago
rain cedar
The thing is he was really into supporting/improving his mods
dapper folio
I even offered to give him editing access to the folder
rain cedar
And seemed to have no problem with the google drive folder
boreal valve
I think he is sending a DMCA not because of a copyright, but to simply get his mods down because like you said he doesn't want anything to do with HK anymore. A DMCA must have just been the best option for him.
rain cedar
Yeah obviously, but fuck him
Not like we're just gonna let him stop people from using these
Debug is super helpful and boss rush is a lot of fun
vale zenith
Honestly, all of them but the Boss Rush Mod would be super easy to remake
No need to break the law for that
rain cedar
Debug mod would not be easy to remake
marble scarab
wtf
boreal valve
This is all a weird 180. It never felt like he would act this way. I never really talked with him that much but he seemed like a nice guy
vale zenith
Why not? Or am I thinking of a different thing
dapper folio
updated the pin
hidden gull
Hey guys, I haven't installed any mods before, is the standard procedure to use 753's modloader?
hazy sentinel
but how r u mod if u no mod
hidden gull
I'm a moderator, not a modderator
dapper folio
I just copy and replace from zip to game folder
hidden gull
well, this whole thing stinks
but thankfully from what I can tell all that stuff will be available on the pirate bay in the next 24 hours
in the meantime we'll just have to pick up the pieces and create documentation
buoyant obsidian
uh wrong chat?
buoyant obsidian
ah
dapper folio
might be better to have documentation besides user messages
buoyant obsidian
also modloader isn't mined, fairly sure zreshct made it?
hazy sentinel
@small nest did
hidden gull
oh, whoops
buoyant obsidian
as much as I wish I could take credit
so what were you talking about when you said pirate bay?
hidden gull
well, it's a pretty popular source of all sorts of stuff. And the community is large enough that it wouldn't be difficult to circulate
buoyant obsidian
oh are we not allowed to keep the mods in the google drive?
hazy sentinel
got DMCA'd
hidden gull
Also, I'm personally not a fan of empty legal threats that are pretty much indefensible, especially when you're probably not going to actually take legal action
hidden gull
It might as well be a youtube copyright claim for all it is actually worth.
dapper folio
I have since removed them and the modbundle version of the debug mod in order to avoid any potential trouble (it's also not worth fighting)
If anyone would like the mods, I will send them via direct message upon request
trim totem
huh
hidden gull
ohh, I thought the modloader was 753's cause that was the most recent commit
hazy sentinel
also kein's still in the server 
dapper folio
yep
hidden gull
brah meme requests go in /r
buoyant obsidian
DMCA? Jesus
warped sinew
pretty sure he cant DMCA
an IP he doesnt own
even if it is his code
a tiny amount of it is his code
like 0.001%
buoyant obsidian
this is America Graig, even if there's some technicallity it has to be fought and there's no gain over winning that case
warped sinew
pretty sure if TC said something to google they would remove the DMCA claim
as they will side with the company lol
but TC probably wont so yeah
:/
it is very carzy
dapper folio
I mean, like 753 said, there's nothing gained from winning
not worth the effort for just hosting some files on google drive
buoyant obsidian
lel
buoyant obsidian
yeah it's a shitty situation
warped sinew
and i JUST overwrote it cos im testing pack 02 now ffs
buoyant obsidian
I'm kinda curious where all this is coming from
warped sinew
now i dont have the files
dapper folio
i can message you the zip file
warped sinew
haha plz
hidden gull
I wish I was decent at using C# IDEs, I'm still just not good at .net
marble scarab
yes
warped sinew
yeah kein wrote 0.00000000000001% of dioscords code. he can DMCA IT NOW
but seriously i wonder what happened to him
its kinda crazy
i actually hope that he is ok
hidden gull
Opens up mod installer
Sees extension of typed class
awwwww yesssss
buoyant obsidian
Me too, this all seemed to happen out of nowhere
warped sinew
i have never seen someone try and erase their internet presence before.... maybe he was a hacker or something
and got into some shit
in russia
dapper folio
meh, whatever
if anyone wants to take the responsibility and host his mods, I'll pin it, but otherwise I'm just gonna provide on request
buoyant obsidian
I have this weird malware on my computer that sends links to the last thing I downloaded to people who message me on Discord
I sure hope nobody messages me and gets sent the Boss Rush files that I just downloaded
hazy sentinel
yeah why would anyone want to give 753 malware
finite herald
@warped sinew still waiting for the speed run of that. And yeah
The whole Kein situation is weird. I also thought of him as a nice guy, who knows what happened to him.
I agree, hopefully he is ok. Still, all of this is super weird and out of nowhere.
dapper folio
I thought the same, but the DMCA thing has kinda soured it
rain cedar
He was nice in here but he's always been a dick in the speedrunning channels
This is annoying, but I'm not surprised
small nest
What the actual fuck? How can he DMCA a file, which contains 99.9% of technically illegally published code? (the actual game by TC)
buoyant obsidian
If he wasn't able to DMCA the file that would imply that anyone could steal small amounts of code so long as they merged them with larger projects.
hidden gull
It's basically a murder-suicide
buoyant obsidian
that's DMCA in the US
except some big companies survive the suicide so they get away with murder
hidden gull
Weird, almost like the TPP had far-reaching political and economic consequences which laid the groundwork for these more dramatic changes to take place
solemn rivet
Anyone interested in working on a (better) boss practice mod?
knotty tapir
maybe he found employment with a firm that insists he have nothing to do with the game
seems like a possibility
knotty tapir
or personal troubles, that kind of thing
solemn rivet
the day before he vanished, me and someone else asked him about doing some improvements to BR and he simply stated that he was currently not working on it, bu they would be implemented in the future
so it -seems- he had no intention of abandoning the project
bleak robin
I just wanna say great job on blackmoth, I finished it basically 100% last night and I loved the whole thing
solemn rivet
I really wish I was more code-savvy
bleak robin
And I lost my shit at blackmoths elegy xD
solemn rivet
there's so much I wanted to do with this mod, which I simply can't due to my own lack of knowledge...
bleak robin
Btw, is getting the shade cloak item supposed to make dashing give soul?
I thought I heard about that but it never happened
bleak robin
Hmm, I still managed to get through everything, even GPZ 10
solemn rivet
😮
bleak robin
I just watched a clip I made of the radiance fight, and I never gained soul from hitting her, and I had shade cloak item
bleak robin
I did GPZ 10 without elegy also
solemn rivet
I currently have no saves with shade cloak...
elegy isn't that good for fights
it's very easy to get hit, and then the effect is gone
bleak robin
You gotta over charm with fury
I believe my final charm build was Fury, dashmaster, sharp shadow, quick dash, and elegy
solemn rivet
sharp shadow is bae
bleak robin
I didn't test elegy without dashmaster or quickdash
bleak robin
Okay keeping dashmaster, but idk if quickdash changed it
solemn rivet
nope
what quickdash does is remove the check for "airDashed", i.e., allows you to airdash even if you already have
bleak robin
https://clips.twitch.tv/ColdShakingPieCoolCat if you wanna see my shocked reaction to trying it out
solemn rivet
what grubberfly does is completely bypass the whole script for calculating if you can or not dash, what should be the cooldowns etc. and just DASH
bleak robin
Pure dash
bleak robin
I lost my shit xD
It's the only way to travel
I almost got through flower quest with it, but the last room screwed me up
solemn rivet
that last room... Ugh
bleak robin
All I still need is flower quest, a couple vessel pieces, and crystal heart
Which I made a small meme of deciding to just not get
solemn rivet
oh
one thing I was looking into, but couldn't figure out how to do
was to allow superdash to be triggered while airborne
just for the heck of it
bleak robin
Oh that would be neat, but feels really complicated
Does crystal dash currently have any changes from vanilla?
solemn rivet
not really... The method canSuperDash() only checks for onGround or wallSliding
bleak robin
I'm talking about like damage
solemn rivet
the problem isn't to make it feasible, but to make it interesting
that's exactly it
bleak robin
Cause I know it can deal 1 damage if it hits an enemy
buoyant obsidian
Holy shit I need to download that when I get some free time
solemn rivet
I couldn't figure how to change the damage
bleak robin
753 you haven't tried blackmoth?
buoyant obsidian
Nope I've been really busy with Uni
solemn rivet
that makes two of us
buoyant obsidian
hell I only beat Boss Rush for the first time last week
solemn rivet
math phd
bleak robin
Come sci major also
buoyant obsidian
ayy
solemn rivet
I figure most people here come from a comp sci background or something related
the only experience I have with any form of coding is... Well, none
bleak robin
Well, you still made a great mod
buoyant obsidian
^
solemn rivet
oh, shit, I kid you not, we had to learn how to code in scilab
that's the bees kness(-not)
I mostly worked it backwards... I looked into 753's Lightbringer and figured out how methods and classes worked
and the people here really are supportive and nice (mostly)
bleak robin
Btw 753, I'm probably gonna stream lightbringer next since I finished blackmoth
solemn rivet
also, although there's no documentation (obvsly) the variables/fields/types etc. are named in such a way that it makes it easy for anyone to understand what's happening
buoyant obsidian
Nice, I'll try to watch if you link me
bleak robin
I'm mainly streaming mods and maybe speedruns as a kind of countdown to the Grimm troupe
bleak robin
The content pack makes sharp shadow do double damage on its own
So your mod makes it do 4x
Just kills everything with a glance
bleak robin
I'm joking
solemn rivet
oh
bleak robin
Thought it would be funny if that happened
solemn rivet
if that was the case I'd change it to 1.5x 😛
bleak robin
MOAR DAMAGE
solemn rivet
on the subject of Grubberfly, I really wanted it to feel like an "achievement", a surprised reserved for the endgame
like a reward for having endured only doing dashes the whole game
so I'm glad people seem to like it
bleak robin
Anyone know if any mods can work together?
Like can I have a mod enabled and also enable glass soul
Using the mod loader
quick ravine
You can not.
Mods almost all directly affect the Assembly.dll file which makes them all incompatible with one another. We don't have a common API for accessing Assembly.dll indirectly right now so mods are incompatible unless they're only affecting assets like sounds and textures.
bleak robin
I was thinking that, I remember reading that its all focused on that file, but i thought it wouldn't hurt to ask
quick ravine
I don't think it'd be SUPER hard to make an API for it, but I certainly don't know how to go about it, and anyone that does probably has a better use of their time.
bleak robin
👌
quick ravine
In theory it'd just be [modder scripts] talking to [API] which modifies [Assembly.dll]. The API would just have to be able to code inject and then be able to spit out warnings that files are injecting into simlar locations, which would then need to be worked around each other on a case by case basis.
It's not super complicated but it's also not easy or fun for most people.
bleak robin
Yea I can see that
quick ravine
That's why the mods we do have tend to be fairly significant in terms of changes. Debug mod does a LOT of stuff because it's the only mod when people use it. Light Bringer changes just about everything. Blackmoth modifies all the charms that become useless with its mechanic changes. My mod's going to do the same if I ever get around to it. These are all big changes. Any mod that just changes the value of one charm or damage of something or gives infinite jumps or something like that are usually gateway mods that modders make just to get into modding.
buoyant obsidian
Yeah it certainly doesn't seem to be worth it, especially considering how few mods there are and that they don't necessarily work well together
quick ravine
TL;DR for anyone that you wanna talk about this with is: This isn't Minecraft/Skyrim. It's not a modular system. Don't expect modular mods.
warped sinew
Still waiting on GEO exp mod
With level ups
Gummy dat sweet grind Hollow Knight
*Gimmie
buoyant obsidian
Maybe during winter break when I have the time :P
muted pine
i want a mod that changes hollowknight to zote tbh
dapper folio
whatever happened to that meme mod?
dapper folio
that seems to be happening to everyone I know. one of my friends got hit with another copyright strike on his youtube account
dapper folio
i wasn't
solemn rivet
geo xp mod?
wut
something like level up in souls games?
and I mean souls games, not any RPG, just because of 'you can permanently lose exp on death'
I mean, shouldn't be hard
but study's killing me these days
I literally spend 24h/day staring at a 17 page pdf I have no idea what it's about
bleak robin
big mood
muted pine
Feelsbadman
frail copper
what exactly do lightbringer and blackmoth do
rain cedar
Changes from the last version I uploaded here:
Fancy logo in main menu
Easy/hard/off selection when making a new game
Added defender's crest to randomization pool
Added checks to ensure shade skip is never required in easy mode or steel soul mode
Added checks to ensure pogo on a primal aspid to get to Hornet 2 is never required in easy mode
Lightbringer changes your nail to a weaker ranged attack and blackmoth makes dash your primary damage source (Similar to always having sharp shadow on) @frail copper
frail copper
Nice! I think ill try out blackmoth cuz i loved sharp shadow
bleak robin
wait, what is the randomizer
dapper folio
a mod, I presume
bleak robin
ik, but what exactly does it do
dapper folio
randomizes what drops from where, I presume
With different modes/settings to determine if important things are exempt, placed only in areas that can be access without them, or completely randomized
rain cedar
I guess I should make a readme for it at some point
But yeah, right now it randomizes movement abilities and non-shop charm locations
The randomization assumes glitchless for item reachability. Hard mode allows things like fireball skips and shade skip to be required to progress, easy does not
heavy geyser
this is the second time I played all the way through boss rush and then softlocked at radiance
i'll never see my stats ;_;
solemn rivet
once again, Sean, great work! This randomizer is amazing! I can't imagine the amount of work put into it
@frail copper if you find any bugs with blackmoth, please, feel free to contact me
frail copper
I'll make sure to! BTW this game needs alot more lexposure
i foundout about this game from dunkey 😃
solemn rivet
this is surely my GOTY
I really believe this game has left me spoiled for metroidvanias
I tried playing salt and sanctuary after Hollow Knight... And it was (pun absolutely intended) quite a hollow experience
warped sinew
Fun fact. Game was originally going to be randomized
But it was too annoying to make it work the way will wanted
Semi-randomized actually
solemn rivet
some things random, others not?
frail copper
well, i could see that happening
being random
playing through owlboy and ori, but neither live up to HK
bleak robin
i enjoyed ori, but i did it before HK
warped sinew
The new idea was areas were modular
And would randomize each time but the power ups stay the same. Something like that. This is super early into development
Like a year before kickstarter
Idea went away fast as the scope of the game grew
buoyant obsidian
Sounds a little frustrating tbh
buoyant obsidian
40 hour roguelike please no
royal ridge
I wouldn't change much if I had the choice
tribal nexus
Flinthook is a disappointment as far as Rogue likes though
Oh the game is perfect as is
royal ridge
I'd keep it this way
tribal nexus
Flinthook just makes me sad honestly
royal ridge
Maybe they shoulda maybe not stolen from Ori 
warped sinew
TC didn't start out wanting to make the game this big
buoyant obsidian
airhorns
tribal nexus
Because it's a really fun game but it really should have not been a Rogue like
royal ridge
But other than that pretty good
hidden gull
Agree roofon
buoyant obsidian
Risk of Rain best roguelike
royal ridge
Tbh Graig I was surprised with how big the game was come release
tribal nexus
Risk of rain is pretty okay?
hidden gull
By being an action-platformer roguelike with arcade-style persistence, it was unable to be just a solid, difficult experience
tribal nexus
I have played it a bit
warped sinew
Yeah its massive
hidden gull
The levels and enemies get super repetitive and the joy of its mechanics quickly wear out
tribal nexus
Yeah when all the enemies you fight are the same it just gets repetitive