i dont think is possible lol
#archived-modding-development
finite herald
lol, whoever kills flukemarm with no upgrades, is my god
@rain cedar man when you have time, can you please try flukemarm no upgrades?
rain cedar
Doesn't sound very fun
finite herald
is just that since you are really good, you maybe have an strategy in mind? i have no idea how to approach to kill it, i actually dont think is possible, and if it is, damn, absurdly hard
more than radiance, white defender, zote, etc
tender sinew
I am the most powerful. More than this 'Flukemarm'.
finite herald
Hahah
rain cedar
I don't have a strategy for that
You can't kill the spawns fast enough with nail 0
It's horrible
hazy sentinel
I guess just let all the spawns pile up and focus on the boss
but i have no idea how it's even going to be possible w/ 5 hp
finite herald
but they all come ot you
to you*
after 15-20 seconds you have 12 of those or so attacking you
i tried jumping repeatdly on her, but they interrupt the down attacks, and escaping from the mini bugs is not possible XD
rain cedar
How much hp does flukemarm even have?
solemn rivet
350 iirc
tribal nexus
tree fiddy
rain cedar
That's not too bad at all
hazy sentinel
350/5
solemn rivet
default nail damage=5
finite herald
ohh is 5
tribal nexus
each fluke fly takes 3 hits
heavy geyser
One upgrade is +4?
hazy sentinel
yep
solemn rivet
flukemarm might be interesting with shadow dash
finite herald
No upgrades but with shadow dash you mean?
solemn rivet
yup
heavy geyser
It's more fun with shadow dash
finite herald
Yeah
hazy sentinel
ok so the max number of spawns is 5
solemn rivet
wait - there IS a max?
that makes me almost want to try and beat it no upgrades now
hazy sentinel
well, whenever flukemarm spawns one, one of the existing one despawns
solemn rivet
that's neat
hazy sentinel
ok nvm that's completely wrong
finite herald
If anyone wants to try it i would love to watch it on stream
finite herald
I think 0.0.8 but kein posted the assambly file today and i guess that is a little bit more upgraded
I started a no reward run and eveeything was fine, uumuu was boring, traitord lord was fun
And then flukemarm impossibru
But the run overall is pretty fun
solemn rivet
phew, finally got to it
any way I can save my progress into BR? XD
I'm counting a max of 8 flukefey
I used invincibility to see how many I could spawn
without it I was getting hit literally every second
rain cedar
This is hard but I think it's doable
You just really need to keep the spawns in check
rain cedar
Yeah
You can kill the two before the next ones spawn if you manage to hit both at once with a couple attacks
Just need to also hit the boss
finite herald
lol, but that's rng big way, dont you think? i don't know, if you ever feel like trying
I would really like to see it on stream, i wanna learn
a strategy for that
rain cedar
I don't think I want to take the time to get good at this fight
finite herald
i think i will stream for about an hour
and try that fight a few times
how do I put my stream on the livestreams channel?
solemn rivet
if you do, I'll be sure to watch
finite herald
i just opened it but
it doesnt show of the livestream channel
that's the one
i never stream so dont cringe too much about the description of the channel
is old XD
rain cedar
Skype in 2017
finite herald
hahaha
wow the delay with this program is barely noticeable, like 3-4 seconds, i thought it was always like 10-20 seconds
although the quality is bad
but still, I don't see it on the livestream channel hmhm
finite herald
ok
rain cedar
Are you meaning to stream with no sound?
finite herald
yes, because i'm not sure how to enable the sound of the game exclusively, because i'm talking on discord with some friends right now
heavy geyser
I think an audio splitter software does that but i never figured it out
rain cedar
Yeah
That's what you need
Just send the game audio to its own channel and record only that
heavy geyser
I havent tried again since the xsplit days
finite herald
lol that was bad
i'm not too good either so i mean, dont expect a god or anything like that, i'm still noob XD
heavy geyser
I expect a dog
finite herald
i was on a call in skype, they cancelled and the screen minimized lol
that xero fight was bad
ok
here it is
the devil
XDXDXD
suggestions?
hazy sentinel
for what
finite herald
i'm trying to kill
flukemarm on no reward mode
i'll try for a few more minutes tho, becauyse my friends want me to play borderlands
but to be honest, the only way I believe you could approach, is jumping on top of it
here is the stream
damn those mf
haha
pale totem
Is the boss rush mod just called boss rush, or what is it called?
finite herald
boss rush, yes
pale totem
Could I get a quick link to all the files for it?
rain cedar
For most up to date you want to copy in the stuff from the first link then put the assembly from the second link in hollow_knight_data/managed
pale totem
thanks mate
finite herald
well, that one was better
pale totem
wait, the file wont open
hazy sentinel
what
rain cedar
Is it really pirating if it's an official download of the program? π€
tribal nexus
Yes
rain cedar
Ah fuck
pale totem
bruh everything costs money
tribal nexus
7zip is a free software
pale totem
where do I get it?
pale totem
how do I know whether to get the 32bit or 64bit?
tribal nexus
depends on your OS
pale totem
I am technologically incompetent...
tribal nexus
are you running windows x32 or x64?
pale totem
I have no idea
solemn rivet
how much ram you got?
pale totem
,,,I have no idea
hazy sentinel
go to C:\
hazy sentinel
if you have both Program Files and Program Files (x86) it's x64
pale totem
how do I get there
hazy sentinel
boi what
rain cedar
Press windows+r and type in dxdiag
solemn rivet
now that's settled let me tell you this
it mostly won't make a difference
the only bad case would be if you installed x64 version in a x86 machine
pale totem
So, what do I do now that I downloaded it?
solemn rivet
run the installer
tribal nexus
sell your soul
hazy sentinel
actual insanity
pale totem
i ran the installer
solemn rivet
after it's done you -should- be able to open .7z files
finite herald
hey poanha matb lol, are you russian?
hazy sentinel
POANHA MATB
hazy sentinel
rodina mat'
finite herald
pale totem
i cant open the file still...
finite herald
is that a female name?
rain cedar
If you want people to say rodina mat maybe that should be your name
Instead of poanha matb
solemn rivet
omg my sides
hazy sentinel
i cannot
pale totem
wait I did it
hazy sentinel
ΠΊ
pale totem
yeah
hazy sentinel
@pale totem are you a dog
pale totem
yes
finite herald
solemn rivet
clearly
pale totem
I think I did it and didn't fuck up
hazy sentinel
it's a miracle
hazy sentinel
I mean if you can start the game it's a good sign
hazy sentinel
Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight
hazy sentinel
oh 
pale totem
Should it start me in Kings Pass?
hazy sentinel
haven't used the steam version in about 2 months
BR is an addon in the mode select
starts at hotspring in crossroads
rain cedar
Read the readme in the archive
pale totem
I did
rain cedar
And what did you do after that?
pale totem
I copied the data from the "BossRush" folder into the "Hollow_Knight_Data" folder
pale totem
So put the "BossRush" folder in its entirety inside of "Hollow_Knight_Data"?
rain cedar
No that's what you already did
Drag it into the folder that opens when you go to the local files from steam
rain cedar
And did you merge the hollow_knight_data folder in the archive with the one you already have as well?
pale totem
Is that the Assembly one?
rain cedar
No
In the same place you got the BossRush folder from
There's a hollow_knight_Data folder
rain cedar
Merge it with the one in Steam
pale totem
How?
rain cedar
Just drag it into the folder and Windows will ask if you want to merge the folders
Into the top folder, not the other hollow_knight_data folder, I mean
pale totem
I dragged it and Windows didn't ask anything
rain cedar
You probably dropped it into the other hollow_knight_data folder
pale totem
how do I get it back?
rain cedar
Just go into the hollow_knight_data folder and cut/paste it up one level
pale totem
it wants me to either skip or replace the assembly file
rain cedar
Replace everything that it asks
rain cedar
Now the other download is just a file called assembly-csharp.dll
Drop that in hollow_knight_data/managed
pale totem
Do i need to extract it or anything first?
rain cedar
No
rain cedar
That should be it
warped sinew
U need steel soul unlocked for the mod to work as well
solemn rivet
yeah
rain cedar
Where is it even stored that you have steel soul, anyway? It wouldn't make sense to put it in any of the userx.dat files but that's all that's in the save folder
solemn rivet
beat the game at least once
I asked myself that same question earlier today, Seanpr
maybe it's kept elsewhere
pale totem
Its still not here
rain cedar
Not sure what you could have done wrong now
rain cedar
Yes
pale totem
Holy shit I unfucked it
Thank you guys so much for putting up with my old-lady-esque bullshit
I had put the Boss Rush folder a bit too deep
solemn rivet
as they say, "they dug too deep"
warped sinew
Its stored in user.dat
There is a separate one in the save folder I think
I think?
ITHINK???
buoyant obsidian
Do you?
warped sinew
I do do
leaden hedge
isn't it set in SecurePlayerPrefs ?
leaden hedge
ye pretty sure its this key
ZXi0r2fxAmv7+DQMCko4P865Z28I2w0sX9J7e4kY+A8=_h2846773161
with this value
ez4OUKupVnBOq3vBeounJQ==
heavy geyser
@solemn rivet Shadow dash doesn't work π±
https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/BogusFrayedHomalocephale
quick ravine
Nope. I found that out the hard way my first playthrough.
rain cedar
Yeah, I know
warped sinew
If the boss rush was in the game normally it would probably require you to finish the game first
i like it more this way
finite herald
@fair rampart hey man, for the no upgrade boss rush, what if you adjust certain bosses? Or at least to skip a boss and fight it again later, would that be too complicated? Now I feel like doing this, it was really fun haha
finite herald
@fair rampart the thing is, I believe some bosses are close to impossible due to cooldowns/recoveries? I'm not saying flukemarm is actually impossible, but close to that haja. And yeah i get your point about not making sense, I guess I want the skip one to just to try more no upgrade bosses beyond Flukemarm, but I guess thats doable with the debug mode.
I dont know, maybe when the 'final' version is released, a speed run it might try and find a strategy for it. Today I'll have more time in the afternoon, is there any mode or something you think I should do to test something you believe would be useful? I can try to stream as well.
Ok, perfect. Hopefully speedrunners will start uploading runs π
solemn rivet
okay - crazy idea of the day:
how about a NG+ mod?
wut
you mean to tell me I'm not special or unique?
solemn rivet
yeah
no matter how much I think about it, I just can't see a way to make it interesting
I though about retaining charms+HP/MP upgrades+nail upgrades; respawn bosses; increase HP and damage of ALL enemies; "respawn" all HP/MP/nail upgrades (that is: you can upgrade your health past 9, you nail past 21 etc.)...
maybe make some charms have upgraded effects if you get them in NG+...
boreal valve
How about doing more with the infection? Why not draw inspiration from Megama? As you beat monsters and explore more the world gets more and more infected and more paths are blocked and stronger enemies start appearing. That would require more worl, but it's an idea.
solemn rivet
that would be interesting, but way too much work, I think
maybe if we had more direct access to the game's files and scripts...
boreal valve
Like I said, simply a thought
leaden hedge
probably the only interesting ng+ style thing the community could do is + rank charms sort of like rings in ds2
and giving bosses more hp would probably be doable
leaden hedge
alot? only one I can think of is bloodstained
hidden gull
the BoI modding community is smaller but more focused because of dev-provided tools
leaden hedge
the systems they've designed the game with just dont lend to mods very well
unity scenes aren't decompilable or recompilable
unity prefabs too
and all the playmaker fsm stuff is encoded in the prefabs too
so unless they completely rewrite pretty much the entire game and engine there probably can't be any tools
hidden gull
First commit to the save manager! Just cleanup with no changes in functionality. I refactored SavePanel into two separate panels, boxed up its listeners as well as listeners in SaveEditor.
solemn rivet
lots of Metroidvanias... I can think of a few, but not a lot
hidden gull
I'm thinking about tackling either the save editor or file tree next
hidden gull
oh whoops
solemn rivet
on the topic of save managers, I remember I already asked about it yesterday, but can the save manager be made to also edit your spawn point? Would be great for speedrun practicing
leaden hedge
doable, but I might have to make a save at every bench to get correct variables
solemn rivet
makes sense, I guess
and, back on the subject of a NG+ mod - I'd totally be up for it, if only I knew how to do stuff... I can't even make a half-assed mod about dashing ffs
leaden hedge
@hidden gull I fixed it now, you'll need gnu-crypto.jar as an import now
as a replacement to jce
leaden hedge
also if you're going to edit the file tree, moving most of the stuff at the bottom: load all, delete, add folder and new savefile into a right click context menu would be probably neater and more intuitive
but adding folders / savefiles in a way that looks nice might be more effort than its worth
hidden gull
Yeah the Tree Node interface is a bit strange
A context menu would actually be a lot easier than other stuff. Basically just extend either DefaultTreeModel or DefaultMutableTreeNode to add right-click logic to the focus
I think I'll instead focus on the Save Editor/Field/Loader classes so that we can start adding other editing tabs
I am so glad decryption is in SaveLoader. your solution for jce was very user-friendly but it's just so clean now
solemn rivet
I managed to accidentally trigger infinidash
and actually turned it into a feature later on xD
leaden hedge
@hidden gull I updated SaveLoader again btw, just a very minor refactor
finite herald
For NG+ maybe... is it possible to increase the overall movement of certain bosses?
The extra damage, plus bosses moving attacking a % faster like comparing
Soul master vs soul tyrant for instance
Maybe change places of certain mobs, add other mobs to certain areas
And maybe a few changes or shortcuts in map design? (Not sure what exactly, but people coild think about that, I just got the idea because Kein added a platform in xero's battle)
leaden hedge
faster animations) possibly but alot of work
adding mobs) not really
map changes) technically possible but pretty limited
leaden hedge
you can add any mob that is in that room
finite herald
Ohhhh
leaden hedge
you can't add say aspids to dirtmouth
finite herald
Ohhh I see π¦ thats too bad
leaden hedge
yeah theres no way to access prefabs from code
unless they put prefabs into a public var
finite herald
I guess the only way would be team cherry providing more access to those things for modding users I guess
Although it would bebgreat if they add a ng+ made by themselves, an official ng
Official boss rush would be great, too, but they probably should follow a similar approach as Kein, I cant imagine a different type of boss rush thwt could work and be balanced
buoyant obsidian
When I invisioned Boss Rush I always thought of a dream battle with every boss in it
although I really like the arcade game feel of Kein's mod, works really well
I like how it is now tbh
finite herald
I know you can do something similar with the debug mod, but it'd be convenient to choose whatever boss you want to fight to, just to practice ig. Like you chose what kind of rub you want, and you add a new option like. Boss Selection and once you sit on the bench, or however you think is convenient, it allows you to go directly to that boss.
solemn rivet
KZ: would it be possible to select a boss from a dropdown list and use the dreamnail to warp to it?
finite herald
Sure man haha, whenever you have time. You already created a great mod that I guarantee i will keep enjoying.
heavy geyser
Low% flukemarm is pretty ruff
My assumption is you really have to make sure most of your attacks hit at least two things
And fast
Before you're flukeswarmed
solemn rivet
some of us were trying to beat it 0%
damn that was impossible
I mean, I think it IS possible, just very hard and annoying
quick ravine
In my mod flukemarm is actually impossible if you don't use spells.
At least right now
finite herald
I think it is possible, but super mega hard
like insanely hard, if anyone manages to do it, I'll become fan
I tried, and I was able to hit it 41 times out of 70 times
but there were 8 bugs or something on the screen by then
so I got rekt
runic geode
hey guys i have a question on boss rush
every time i do the first boss, and then dream warp, it puts me at radiance
and then it locks radiance as the only boss i can go back to from the hub after i die
how do i not do that?
1.1.1.8
and v0.0.8a
and it gives me this every time https://gyazo.com/f24c40c7ddf7033ac0a56fa3a4878ed0
first time it happened to me it was in random mode, but then it was the first boss
then i started trying normal mode (no settings selected from the bench)
and it happens after gruz mother
done it 3 times in a row
rain cedar
Numpad 4 sets next scene to final fight, right?
runic geode
oh would my keybinds mess with it?
i use numpad keys for most of my buttons
i use numpad 0 for dream nail
and 4 for attacking
ok good i was going crazy xD
thanks!
leaden hedge
https://github.com/KayDeeTee/Hollow-Knight-SaveManager/releases/latest
updated saveManager again, everything except the auto-calculate for charm costs works now in the save editor
inland dune
i'm getting that when i open mod installer, and it won't open any other installation's assembly-csharp.dll, nothing happens when i try to open them
was working fine before
inland dune
tried reinstalling and using the .zip version instead, same thing happens
hidden gull
I'm going to start isolating UI elements in the SaveEditor's tabbedpanes, that way it's easier to draw out and experiment with additional tabs
heavy geyser
Would a separate "mod_releases" channel be worth having?
hidden gull
^
finite herald
@fair rampart any way you can allow keys as optional? Like to kill flukemarm in no reward to practice the other bosses after him
You could make it like a combination of keys to enable it
Oh okok thanks! π
inland dune
@small nest can you let me know if there's any fix for my problem above? ^
hidden gull
KZ, are you aware of any issues which may occur if the equippedCharm flag is on, but the gotCharm flag is off?
right, as in equippedCharm_11
ok
Just in case I will make it so that activating equippedCharm_## also ensures gotCharm_## is on since it would have to be the case normally anyway
I mean for the save manager, in case it does cause bugs
but I agree it seems like it would just not allow you to re-equip it
KDT boxed up the fields for gotCharm, equippedCharm, and charmCost in a separate CharmPanel so it's just easier to add a listener to the equippedCharm checkbox that sets owned = owned.isSelected() || equip.isSelected()
solemn rivet
@inland dune dunno if anyone answered your question already, but you have to open .modbundle, not .dll
inland dune
oh thanks, problem's fixed now
solemn rivet
KZ would it be alright if I modded your mod to include a boss selection?
or, rather, if I publicized it (because I already did it for my personal use)
fiery marsh
does the debug menu mod have a way to make you invincible? my eyes are a little stupid right now and can't find it in the readme π
inland dune
yep, just pause the game and click it at the bottom of the screen
fiery marsh
ahh okay, thanks again 
solemn rivet
also there's a way to do that without the debug mod (which, in turn, allows you to become invincible while using other mods)
just use the Hollow Knight Info that's available on speedrun.com
it has some (not all) of the same options as the debug mod (infinisoul/HP, invincibility)
fiery marsh
ahh okay. thanks Gradow π
hidden gull
phew, finally got charm auto-calculations to work
leaden hedge
the charms automatically get added to the charm list in validateCharms() in the save editor
so you don't need to worry about that
and having a charm equipped that you don't own technically works, but when you unequip it, it just disappears
the only thing that breaks the game is equipping king soul fragments and broken charms
quick ravine
okay 99% and THK defeated in my glowing womb mod. Flukemarm was actually impossible without using spells. Other than that, the rest of the game seems feasable.
However, many fights are way too long because of it, so I'm thinking of making it scale with more things in the game such as nail upgrades and now useless charms.
rain cedar
One of the cool things about the Lightbringer mod is every charm that would be useless got replaced with a new one
I know that's a lot of work but it could be something to aim for with your mod as well
quick ravine
Yeah, I've got my work cut out for me.
Especially if I wanna do things like make flukenest change the hatchlings into some other form or similar ideas to that.
I was thinking of making MoP turn them into speedy sickles like the ones the flying mantis traitors use for example.
rain cedar
That would be interesting
quick ravine
like they hit then fly away and despawn but can hit other things as they do
rain cedar
Since those are piercing it would make flukemarm not impossible
quick ravine
exactly
The order you tend to do things in the mod changes a fair bit too. I really needed King Soul for a couple of the later fights and harder areas so I had to go do QG and WP before really delving into deep nest or doing colloseum 2.
So I ended up doing Hornet 2 immediately after Dung defender so I could get shadow dash so I could go get king soul.
And bosses that spawn things are really tough, like Collector
because half your damage is wasted on the adds
Also hatchlings do weird things to the falling rocks in the Fallen Champ fight
Like I'd hit them back at him and a hatchling would intercept it and hit it back at me.
Also reflecting attacks like those rocks, pickaxes, and the tossers in the arena tends to be a covetted source of damage since your dps is so low.
But areas at the start of the game are super easy because hatchlings do more damage than old nail and can take care of baulders in one hit for whatever reason.
THK though is a really fun fight now since being aggressive doesn't shorten the fight and you can't just out damage him.
That fight was like 7-10 minutes at least I think.
Also for the first time I realized that after the second mid-fight scream he stops being aggressive himself and can barely even slash his nail.
He stops doing the spitty attacks and counters entirely
And he can't do the dash either.
Just a weak little single slash
and falls over a little after too
quick ravine
Yeah
Just those couple attacks
The only reason I noticed this is cuz I had to fight him for at least a minute or two in the phase
But yeah back on the topic of new charm abilities with Glowing Womb... Grubberflies anyone? x3
pale totem
coul I get a link to the debug mod?
leaden hedge
@pale totem most mods are in this link, https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9Um9MeFZMV21oWGs which is pinned
dapper folio
thanks
fervent plume
Is there any content mod in development?
Like adding new areas?
or is that beyond the scope right now?
buoyant obsidian
Fairly sure that's beyond the scope
although Boss Rush is arguably "new content" even if it is just pre-existing areas reorganized.
quick ravine
Lightbringer changes quite a bit, but I haven't played it myself.
dapper folio
there's the cut content mod
but it's not updated to 1.1.1.8
so you'd have to find a patcher to revert your hollow knight version
solemn rivet
@fair rampart I completely understand! Thank you anyway!
@buoyant obsidian that's what I tried to do with my "mod" - make charms that were made useless by the mod not-so-useless-anymore
Not only obvious charms like Lomgnail and Quick Nail, but also Grubberfly's Elegy
rain cedar
Hey, I remember somebody here had a mod that randomized item pickups but I don't remember who
I can't figure out how to change what a pickup gives you
How did you manage that?
solemn rivet
maybe with fsm?
rain cedar
If there is a way using that it's definitely better than the solution I'm currently working on
Which is to load the scene with the pickup I want to change to, grab a reference to it, then unload the scene and put a copy of the item in place of the one in the scene loaded into
solemn rivet
yeesh
rain cedar
Hey I never said it was a good solution
I'm pretty sure I actually implied the opposite
quick ravine
@leaden hedge was the one that talked about making a randomizer but it was just talk iirc.
leaden hedge
if you edit the setBool in playerData
you can replace the in string of the src item, with the string of the dst item
although it'll still say you picked X up, you'd disable that then display your pickup @rain cedar
leaden hedge
you could always edit the fsm, to change what it points to
but its effectively the same but probably slower
torn dawn
Ok I'm kinda confused. I want to manually install the Boss Rush mode.
But I'm not sure what to do.
I have the instructions in front of me.
I'm on the second step "Copy or extract the content of downloaded archive right into that
folder where "hollow_knight.exe" is. Confirm replace."
But this is what I'm seeing.
solemn rivet
there should be two folders
"boss rush" and "hollow_knight_data", if I'm not mistaken?
also
can you open that .app?
there should be a "content" folder inside
solemn rivet
Contents\Resources\Data\Managed
there you should find an Assembly_CSharp.dll
I suggest you make a backup copy of it
solemn rivet
okay, back to the mod
open the "hollow_knight_data" folder and, then, open the "managed" folder. Copy the Assembly_CSharp.dll from there and replace yours (the one I just told you to backup)
copy the "boss rush" mod and paste it on the root folder (i.e., the same folder where hollow_knight.app is)
this SHOULD work
I dunno tho
if there are any differences between the .dlls that I'm unaware of, then this may not work
torn dawn
Ok. Lemme test...
Ok so I opened the game and I selected a blank new file.
Is this normal?
solemn rivet
yup
did you replace the original .dll with the one inside /hollow_knight_data/managed/ you downloaded with the mod?
oh
can I see the folder where hollow_knight.app is?
torn dawn
Ok I should copy the boss rush mod into Managed?
solemn rivet
no, just the assembly.dll
this is the contents of the mod
the "BossRush" folder will be put where the "hollow_knight.app" is
now open /hollow_knight_Data/Managed/ and copy the only file there (Assembly_CSharp.dll) into /hollow_knight.app/contents/resources/data/managed/
this should do it
torn dawn
Odd. Still nothing.
Wait.
so should the BossRush Folder be put next to "hollow_knight.app?"
solemn rivet
yeah
not the .7z mod you donwloaded, mind you, but the /bossrush/ folder INSIDE the .7z
that's where I made my mistake earlier, sorry
deep pilot
.7z is the type of archive file that contains the mod
Which you have to extract the mod files from
torn dawn
I have no idea how to do that. ._.;
solemn rivet
you probably downloaded something like BR_0.0.8a.7z right?
this is the .7z we're talking about
this is actually a zip file and inside it are the files you need to place on the folders I mentioned above
torn dawn
Ok. I did download the zip file.
deep pilot
.7z and .zip are two different types of archive files. I believe the .zip file is the one in the pinned post
Once you have that, you need to find a program which can extract files from inside it
solemn rivet
yeah, I simply say "zip file" because that's what people usually refer to compressed files as
at least in my experience 
torn dawn
Oh ok. Yeah I did open it up.
deep pilot
There should be two folders inside it
deep pilot
The entirety of the "BossRush" folder needs to be copies into the same directory as the Hollow Knight app
solemn rivet
[17:22] Gradow: the "BossRush" folder will be put where the "hollow_knight.app" is
[17:23] Gradow: now open /hollow_knight_Data/Managed/ and copy the only file there (Assembly_CSharp.dll) into /hollow_knight.app/contents/resources/data/managed/
torn dawn
Oh!
I was looking in the wrong Managed file I think
I clicked on Data
Then I found this
solemn rivet
there are various /managed/ folders on the MacOS release
but you need to find the one which has the Assembly_CSharp.dll
that's basically 'the file that tells the game what to do' (not ENTIRELY true, but true enough)
deep pilot
By the way @solemn rivet , I saw your post about the HK Info program on speedrun.com from the weekend.
I should note that the Infinite HP/Soul and Invincible settings don't work anymore on latest patch
torn dawn
Ok I found the right Managed file I think.
solemn rivet
really? They were working for me, and I used them just today to test some things
unless a new patch just came out and I was unaware of it
deep pilot
I just tested it right now and took damage with the stuff turned on
deep pilot
The info program even has the right room listed and says it was "accepting" input
The program actually hasn't been working for me since HD update came out
So I'm not sure what's the deal
solemn rivet
newest patch is 1.1.1.8 right?
deep pilot
Yeah
solemn rivet
okay
deep pilot
Hmm, maybe my version of the Info program is outdated
I saw that speedrun.com said the program hadn't been updated for 6 months, so I assumed that the version I had was current
Yep, that was the problem @solemn rivet
Apparently speedrun.com doesn't actually state that the program's been updated correctly
Was a version change from 2.1.5 to 2.3.0 and now the thing works fine
Although it did do something very buggy to my test save which just completed the flower quest
solemn rivet
OH
torn dawn
Uuuh ok so I'm here now
solemn rivet
phew
deep pilot
Assembly-CSharp.dll is the file you want to replace
solemn rivet
okay, first - make a copy of Assembly_CSharp.dll
name it whatever you want to
possibly Assembly_CSharp.dll.bak or something like that
then, copy the one inside the zip and paste it over on this folder
torn dawn
Ok. I just did that. I removed the original one, copied the one from the mod files, and then pasted it into the game files.
deep pilot
Alright.
torn dawn
Still it doesn't appear.
deep pilot
Have you already copied the entire "BossRush" folder into the folder with hollow_knight.app?
solemn rivet
just put it there
solemn rivet
if it doesn't, then it's really weird
because the issue I would expect to happen was that the game would not load at all
because o version differences between Windows and MacOS
torn dawn
Ok now it appeared!
solemn rivet
but I guess there's not actual difference in the .dll...
torn dawn
Thanks guys!
deep pilot
So I was looking over the 110% mod and I found a problem that wasn't accounted for with the implemented logic changes, as far as I know.
There's a Hallownest Seal relic in the Beast's Den and if you take the shortcut from the entrance room and kill off Herrah, I believe that part of the Beast's Den becomes inaccessible
@dire wolf
torn dawn
And now I turned on Random Boss and I just had to get the Hollow Knight themself first
greeeeeeeat
solemn rivet
xD
solemn rivet
try the no rewards challenge
if you beat flukemarm you get the praise from literally everyone in this channel
marble scarab
ez use cheats
solemn rivet
anyone know how to respawn enemies (not bosses) that only spawn once (e.g. Gruz Mother)?
PlayerData.killedBigFly = false; doesn't seem to work
defeatedBigFly should work...
leaden hedge
if you still can't find it, you can add Debug.Log to playerData.setBool() and sceneData.saveMyState(PersistentBoolData), and just dump everything that gets changed in the save
then just go through and set them one by one
solemn rivet
nice idea
halcyon fable
is there a mod to show enemy health bars?
civic hatch
pinned message has all the mods
quick ravine
except mine
civic hatch
then add it you sucka
quick ravine
nu. it's not ready for prying eyes. it's tedius and requires patience of steel.
trim totem
koay
trim totem
are you the guy who made blackmoth
solemn rivet
or perhaps YOU owe him money?
trim totem
good mod
torn dawn
So about the sound effects, I'm trying to just generally find any of the sound effects, and not the amibence. Spell sound effects are preferred.
trim totem
Get unitystudio from the pins
trim totem
Np
torn dawn
Uuh...know a Mac version of Unity Studio?
trim totem
no sorry
torn dawn
Ok. thanks.
solemn rivet
@trim totem thank you! It's very 'ugly' right now and I haven't really had the time to make it work and look how I wanted it to (also it was my first mod ever)... Maybe some time in the future I'll make custom sprites for the new charms and for the up dash
solemn rivet
Also, just to put this out here, I would really like to have some gameplay footage of Blackmoth on the Mod DB page, so if anyone has some footage recorded and would like to, please send it to me. Of course you will be fully credited for the footage.
tacit dove
Dude, Blackmoth is crazy, I love it. I was planning on doing something like a Sharp Shadow only run eventually, but your mod is even better than that.
The way you adjusted the nail reach charms to affect dash distance is A+.
solemn rivet
my fav thing is Grubberfly Elegy
it was actually a bug that someone discovered and I decided to turn that into a feature xD
civic hatch
Its so expensive
solemn rivet
yeah, because it IS pretty op tho
solemn rivet
if you have shadow dash, it does
instantly, actually
the thing is, it sucks for combat purposes
(at least in my experience)
pure lantern
Anybody know how to get the bossrush mod? I searched on reddit, but it's gone now
leaden hedge
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9Um9MeFZMV21oWGs should still be in here
should be the last Kein one
pure lantern
thanks
restive eagle
Does it still require a mouse?
buoyant wasp
do we have the source for the mod since Kein took everything else? (so that some other inclined dev can continue the cause?)
buoyant obsidian
So wait what's this whole Kein deal? I'm a little out of the loop.
leaden hedge
he randomly pulled everything from reddit /speedrun.com / here that was his and quit the discord
couple days ago
buoyant obsidian
That's really strange
anyone wanna check through his files for malware? I've seen something similar to this happen in the past
if not I might try to take over Boss Rush at least to keep it updated in the future
leaden hedge
last message he sent was last sunday at 10:22utc
and wasnt anything abnormal, just him talking about glass soul
dapper folio
I still have his mods on the google drive folder
ornate rivet
Wait the guy who made boss rush mod disappeared?
Now I am afraid his mods were infected though I havent used them yet so I dont really care. (I doubt it though)
marble scarab
wtf
deep pilot
I scanned all the mods with both my anti-virus and malwarebytes and they came up clean
So hopefully they're safe
boreal valve
What ever happened to Kein? Does anyone know why he just up and left?
marble scarab
nobody knows
rain cedar
He's still active on reddit if you want to ask him
He's always been a bit toxic so it's no big loss in my opinion
bleak robin
im trying to use the blackmoth mod, how do i know if its working or not?
or rather, when do you actually start using dash as weapon?
hazy sentinel
works from the start of the game
bleak robin
okay then somethings not working
the title changed to blackmoth knight
does it not work if you have boss rush installed?
hazy sentinel
probably ye
retextures might work w/ other mods but anything that changes assembly can't really be used w/ other mods
rain cedar
You could probably install both but it would require finding all the changed functions for each mod and merging them into one assembly
Although boss rush changes your nail damage when you get upgrades so that would kinda obsolete the dash attack
bleak robin
i use the mod installer for all of them, so i don't mind just uninstalling boss rush
deep pilot
So since Kein just straight up disappeared, is anyone going to be able to update the mods for future updates/patches?
Or are those mods dead for all future versions since Kein was the one with the source code?
quick ravine
Pretty sure it's open source so someone could do the updates if they were dedicated.
ornate rivet
does the blackmoth mod work with gog version?
rain cedar
Doubt it, but if you send Gradow your assembly-csharp from gog version he could make one that works
Assuming he's willing to do that
ornate rivet
ok
dawn igloo
gog is just drmfree. as long as the mod doesnt rely on steam it honestly should
rain cedar
Only way to know for sure is to try
But if the Steam assembly has code in it that tries to use the steam_api.dll it's not going to work
dawn igloo
true
cold bluff
the saves are in the same location
so maybe
the real question is how do we even go on living without kein
leaden hedge
nah you need to remake it for each version
solemn rivet
@ornate rivet can you send me the .dlls for the GOG version?
also, on the BR topic, since KZ is gone I guess I can say...
I've been working a side project - making a modΒ² of the boss rush mod
this is mostly a speedrun focused mod to allow you to choose freely your loadout and fight any boss you want - to allow speedrunners to practice boss fights
it's "working"
the only thing I can't get to work is respawning "common enemy"-type bosses such as Gruz Mother, Moss Charger etc.
I had asked KZ before if I could release it as a modΒ² but he said he didn't want to deal with debugging something he didn't do, so I asked if I could just credit him as the basemod creator and direct feedback to me... I had been waiting for a reply till now
heavy geyser
Don't want to get sued i guess π€
solemn rivet
yup
solemn rivet
ty!
finite herald
Wtf what is the deal with Kein? I have no idea what happened. I was expecting even a last final update including boss selection, he looked motivated with this whole thing : / hopefully someone will continue it.
autumn flower
Anyone here know how to make a backup save?
quick ravine
wasn't there a basic save manager that someone made?
I also made a mockup of a more robust save viewer but don't have the programming skills to implement it...
deep pilot
The save manager only completely works if you put it in the save location, and it's only relevant if you plan on swapping out saves a bunch
quick ravine
Yeah, but it does work. It's pinned btw.
deep pilot
So if Anondorf is just looking to make a backup save, they might as well just go to the save folder and copy it somewhere else manually
On Windows, the save folder location is: C:\Users\<username>\AppData\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight
autumn flower
Found it. Thanks for the help guys.
I'm considering on possibly re-fighting the bosses or bring back the nailsmith to life because I completely regret doing that.
leaden hedge
the save manager has a button to set the save location
called set save location
you can put it anywhere
tribal nexus
@solemn rivet are you supposed to be able to infinitely dash up and down in the air with dash master?
solemn rivet
originally, no, only if you had Quickdash equipped
but I got lazy and just decided to leave it as a bonus to anyone who figured it
it's not like it breaks the game in any way, so
tribal nexus
Okay cool!
yeah it doesn't seem to be able to get you anymore height
maybe a little, but if you wanted to get anywhere you would probably have to be frame perfect, and the updash already seems to be all you need
solemn rivet
it's nice to deal damage to enemies
tribal nexus
Yeah
solemn rivet
just keep dashing thorugh them over and over
tribal nexus
I haven't tried that yet
i just figured that out
But dashing super fast is fun
Although when I picked up an extra charmslot while overcharmed with FoF and the soul catcher it seemed to stop dealing the damage it was supposed to. It fixed itself when I went to a bench and removed the overcharm effect though
solemn rivet
what do you mean? "stop dealing the damage it was supposed to"?
you mean you were not taking 2x damage?
tribal nexus
No, the enemies stopped taking the right amount of damage
tribal nexus
ie I dashed into an enemy a ton and it didn't die
solemn rivet
this is the main issue I had making this mod
tribal nexus
I would imagine
solemn rivet
the damage, for some goddamn reason, sometimes decides it's not going to update anymore
to this day I have no idea why
tribal nexus
I wasn't at low health. The damage should not have been going up or down
I also wasn't taking 2x damage on my character. So overcharm was still in effect
Despite now having enough charms. I don't know how that functions in the game though.
solemn rivet
technically the mod sets the damage to 1 everytime you swing your nail and to what it's supposed to be everytime you dash
FoF+ Soul Catcher is 4 notches, one more than you start with
tribal nexus
Until I sat at a bench and switched out charms
to soul catcher and dash master iirc
or maybe long dash but I got dash master like 2 seconds later
but I don't think the charms I switched to had any bearing on the damage fixing itself
well except that I wasn't on FoF
which might have been the issue?
tribal nexus
Thanks! Good mod btw
solemn rivet
but unless it's a big issue, or really obvious how to fix, it's probably not gonna get fixed
thank you!
hazy sentinel
blackmoth
solemn rivet
"mod" is a very strong word
tribal nexus
Yeah it wasn't too big of an issue
solemn rivet
@warped sinew it's basically a mod that gives you sharp shadow effects from the get-go and that becomes your main form of doing damage
warped sinew
Oh so all dashing? thats cool
solemn rivet
yup
and charms that add up to that
long nail/mark of pride increase dash distance
dash master allows for updash (yay) (although it looks fugly)
boreal valve
Dash only? That sounds cool
warped sinew
Does superdash do anything new?
solemn rivet
sadly, no
tbh didn't think about it
maybe I could do something on later versions
but I would need to have ideas about what to do first xD
like, I always wanted to do something with Grubberfly
the inspiration of what to do exactly came from a bug on one of the earlier versions
pro-tip: is it a bug? Not, it's a feature!
warped sinew
Heh nice
trim totem
holy shit is the updash supposed to have so much range in blackmoth??
tribal nexus
60% of dash length. Soars into the air.
solemn rivet
If you have all the dash upgrades, it's quite high
tribal nexus
mark of pride + dash master + longdash
Just sail all the way to the end of the final boss
i didn't realize you need the crystal heart at the top of the mountain
I was just going to go back down and get it after I got the ore
.<
NAIL POGO TIME
quick ravine
You don't NEED the crystal heart up there, do you?
quick ravine
Pretty sure you can pogo/damage boost it
trim totem
up dash is fucking busted
tribal nexus
blackmoth makes flukenest an... interesting boss fight
got the low damage glitch again. This time wasn't overcharmed nor did I have fury of the fallen
had soul catcher grubsong and dash master
@solemn rivet
Happened after dying to flukenest
Fixed with a reload
trim totem
i got that glitch too
tribal nexus
@solemn rivet picked up a soul vessel shard - dash now does 0 damage
it was the one in deep nest where you have to nail pogo on the worm snake thingies
fixes with reload
most of them seem to fix with reload
On the plus side sharp shadow is awesome
and you can dash stupid distances. don't even have any dash distance buffs. I basically have a super jump
White palace is going to be interesting
Right now up dash brings me to the top of the abandoned tram room from the bottom
For refrence the floor and ceiling I'm using in the room is the one next to the tram cart
I think the problem is that while the up dash does function properly on ground; when the player jumps and does the dash they go super high
i'm not really sure why though
slate owl
About reusing Kein code, it's rather easy to do.
We can use check his code the same way we check the main game's code.
tribal nexus
you do jump higher if you dash at the apex of the jump rather than the beginning though
but the height increase is only that of how high you were in your jump. Ie. you're not getting exponential gain for dashing at the apex of the jump
I three shot moss charger lmao
slate owl
Here's the source code for DebugMod 1.1.1.8 : https://puu.sh/xBwkT.cs
tribal nexus
Can't do damage after picking up soul eater
tribal nexus
flower quest mask shard breaks the dash too - no damage
oh btw you can infinitely downdash
You can also outrun hornet
that's fun
the infinite downdash can let you do stupid amounts of damage, that's nice.
you're not invulnerable though so it isn't too big of a deal
tribal nexus
Okay so apparently the super jump is actually just dependent on pressing jump while doing it. Even when you spam the down dash up dash you can press jump with the up dash to soar into the air.
@solemn rivet
solemn rivet
Thank you so much for all the feedback
Things are a little rough for me irl
But I'll see if I can make the time to try and fix some of these
tribal nexus
It's cool!
Having a lot of fun playing the mod. Even if I have to reload sometimes to fix stuff
Dashing through hordes of enemies and watching them melt is pretty cool
super jumping at the lake of unn for refrence
not the full height though. It's a bit difficult to capture and I don't have a screen recorder handy
but it's pretty ridiculous
solemn rivet
may I ask what's the version you're using/where did you get it from?
solemn rivet
are you using the .modbundle?
tribal nexus
I am not sure? I just downloaded the mod from the google doc, extracted it, and moved the appropriate stuff into the hollowknight folder
solemn rivet
oh, ok
https://mega.nz/#!z5ZRmCrY!DzOOWLwMJLqEIwTqsa9NC9zND7WQbKG0idy1LVjURZ4 care to try and see if this is any better?
tribal nexus
I am not going to be on my computer for the rest of the evening, but I'll try it tomorrow.
@tribal nexus
solemn rivet
okay, thanks anyway!
rain cedar
Did you just @ yourself?
tribal nexus
Yes
So that way I can look at my @ and see that "hey I wanted to do a thing"
It's a moot point since I probably won't check recent @s
Also because it didn't shot up
I have been bamboozled
bleak robin
i gotta say, black moth is super fun
solemn rivet
Just had a nice idea for the superdash. Will see if I can get it to work later this week
finite herald
@slate owl do you think you can add a boss selector after choosing one of the mods in the boss rush? Kein mentioned he was gonna do it in the future, but Imm not sure how difficult it is to do.
rain cedar
Shouldn't be hard at all to do that, just need to change the NextScene property on all the bossData things to match the new order
Oh yeah also the firstBossScene variable would need to be changed if you're not doing gruz first
warped sinew
hi since kein removed all the mods i cant find the latest boss rush
anyone got it?
is the version uploaded to the google drive the latest?
rain cedar
Google doc is up to date
solemn rivet
@finite herald I already did that, but didn't release to public because KZ wouldn't let me, and I completely understand
rain cedar
Feel free to release it now, not like he's here to tell you no
solemn rivet
As soon as I get to my PC I'll post a link here
But it's very rough around the edges, since I don't really know how to code at all
Also it's currently only a Boss Practice mod (i.e. I've removed some of the original functionalities os the mod)
And I can't seem to be able to respawn certain bosses (such as Gruz Mother)
solemn rivet
That's what I did
My original solution didn't work, so I looked into the debug mod
It also didn't work
It's probably my own inexperience
So what I'm hoping is that someone with more experience can pick this up and fix my mistakes
So that this mod becomes a collaborative project of this channel
solemn rivet
Right now it works like this: you sit at the bench and are given all the charms and notches; you get to pick a boss and whatever upgrades you'd like; after the boss you get the option to respawn the boss (requires you to reload the area)
As I said it's more of a "Boss Practice" mod
tribal nexus
no eyes with blackmoth is just so great >.<
bleak robin
Soul tyrant on black moth is a nightmare
Especially if you don't have all upgrades yet
The winning attempt took 13 minutes
tribal nexus
wow
bleak robin
Granted, I also only had level 3 nail
But it took so much concentration to dodge his attack and still hit him
tribal nexus
did you have sharp shadow?
bleak robin
Every moment a choice of, dash through him and do damage, or use the nail to get soul so I can heal
tribal nexus
sharp shadow + fragile strength
bleak robin
Yea, but you can still get hit between dashes
bleak robin
And he's almost always airborne
tribal nexus
True
bleak robin
Sure there are ways to help with that, but I don't have a lot of upgrades
tribal nexus
ah
I have kind of just been going for 100%
haven't even killed a dreamer yet
although I could since I got the flower already
bleak robin
Same, but I asked stream if I should do other stuff, or try a dream boss
And they voted soul tyrant
tribal nexus
ah
bleak robin
So I accepted my fate
tribal nexus
and I should really just go get the shade cloak at this point
bleak robin
Meanwhile, hornet 2 and THK both took a minute to beat
tribal nexus
I beat moss charger in three hits
finite herald
@warped sinew please, upload a video :