hk-discussion

[queen lodge]

Forever gonna be like tfs cell

[frigid terrace]

Work until you die....

[queen lodge]

"That one's still green"

[placid bolt]

Hi everyone

[honest shale]

green?

[honest shale]

nah im good

[placid bolt]

I’m back with another batch of song lyrics.

[queen lodge]

Its a meme reference

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-cell-cell-dragon-ball-z-dragon-ball-z-abridged-it-bothers-me-gif-17345467164346092438

[wispy sky]

yooooo

radiant sob

[placid bolt]

Does anyone wanna read the song lyrics I’m working on?

[honest shale]

sure

[frozen storm]

WHY DOES WINGS NEVER FUCKING WORK

[honest shale]

step 1: press the fucking button

step 2: there is no step 2

[placid bolt]

I am the very model of a citezen of Hallownest
I duck and dodge the infection for by the Pale King I am blessed
With sentience and sapience to function in society
For my honor and duty is to follow his propriety

[honest shale]

beautiful

[placid bolt]

Thanks

[keen thorn]

Ignore this

[frozen storm]

Ok

[torn bramble]

If you can do Markoth you can do AbsRad! 😉

[wispy sky]

best overcharm for rad nkg?

[placid bolt]

I’m very well acquainted, too, with nail combat for self defense
With defending my life when the infected come on the offense
Though far removed from base instincts, I’m nowhere near a pacifist…
(What rhymes with “pacifist…” A-HA!)
And for Hallownest’s honor, I can be a master strategist!

[frozen storm]

#art-discussion maybe?

[warm aurora]

I cant even do ascended :(

Absrad

[placid bolt]

You genuinely think my lyrics are art?!

[frozen storm]

Every way of expressing yourself is art (this description is lacking info)
But your lyrics are quality art

[placid bolt]

Thanks! You think my writing is fire?

[void marten]

hi

[magic storm]

Hi

[void marten]

hi

[frozen storm]

This is extremely accurate

[void marten]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[frozen storm]

Definitely

[placid bolt]

Thanks!

[frozen storm]

No problem

I'm just being honest, no need to thank

[placid bolt]

I wrote that song on the fly

[frozen storm]

I wish I had artistic power

[torn bramble]

Me neither. I just beat AbsRad for the first time yesterday.

[warm aurora]

Very nice
I just want to get consistency for p5 but after 2 months I am kinda exhausted of it

I am not consistent at attuned

[glad mantle]

👀

nothing interesting here :(

[warm aurora]

I got every other boss down

Including zote

I got the 5 lifeblood masks

(Out of absrad training getting a bit too much so I did bindings)

And now I also started silksong steel soul
Because absrad is too difficult, for now

[honest shale]

i just happened to do hitless sob in p5

thats fun

[wispy sky]

same just did that today

[honest shale]

nice

[warm aurora]

Cool
I had a hitless markoth once
Which was 10 seconds of spamming spells

[wispy sky]

i then did radiant sob that same day

[earnest oriole]

?

[spiral steppe]

🦐

[young gate]

just beat pure vessel in hall of gods before i did it in pantheon 4 🗣️ 🔥 🤑

[queen lodge]

Prolly not

[young gate]

im going to fight nkg now wish me luck

[honest shale]

gl

[young gate]

i died within 30 seconds

[violet light]

Incredibly rusty but I beat NKG radiant in around 2-3 minutes

[young gate]

although why does nkg feel less hard than pure vessel

[honest shale]

going into absrad with shell binding

for like the 7th time

[violet light]

Imo PV is easier than NKG

[primal ridge]

I think i got a great pfp for myself now.

[carmine lava]

rivulet

[wind garnet]

[primal ridge]

What do you mean?

[warm aurora]

I had that with soul tyrant and p4

[young gate]

nvm i dont wanna fight evil grimm imma do p4

[wind garnet]

there are people who like it a bit more https://youtu.be/dvy19LcUYyM?si=mCqRXJlNOMimWifw

[honest shale]

fml

[torn bramble]

Yeah I understand that feeling. I felt like that with Markoth.

[honest shale]

the one time i use heart for shell binding absrad is the one time i do it 1 hit

but anyways shell binding p5

[violet light]

Oml I nearly collided with absrads orbs like 50 differents times on 1 mask

[magic glacier]

gg meo

[agile grove]

albert

[carmine lava]

albert

[honest shale]

im so happy to sit through the entire credits every time i get a new p5 binding its so fun

[primal ridge]

The carrot in the thumbnail, i can't-

[carmine lava]

you should have done it on a godseeker file

qol probably skips it also

[honest shale]

and ive done coming of the age on this file so thats another cutscene i have to sit through

[honest shale]

im not bothered getting p1-4eb just to have no credits for p5

[violet light]

I wish you could pick between carefree melody and grimmchild on godseeker files

[honest shale]

the humble debug mod

[warm aurora]

Non of the charms are vital tho

[silk robin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332009334292484139/1366389508622385182/1354238781925888111.gif

[violet light]

Y'all think I can do P4AB

[honest shale]

yes

[silk robin]

yesa

[violet light]

I kinda wanna stream my attempt in a vc channel 🤔

[silk robin]

do it

[honest shale]

apparently its easier than p3ab

[silk robin]

because sly

[empty lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-man-gif-27601862

[silk robin]

no one can beat sly when he's the one with the nail

[empty lynx]

hello

[bleak geyser]

Yo

[silk robin]

hello

[violet light]

Oml I'm rusty

[bleak geyser]

Got any tips to beat sential hornet

[silk robin]

hi rusty, I'm hive knight

[empty lynx]

Eitherway real lmfao

[wispy sky]

shade soul or heal when she launches her needle forward

[violet light]

Nvm Lmao 😭

[empty lynx]

Lag?

Enraged guardian hit?

[violet light]

Lost kin

[empty lynx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/592273977137692683/1482481417639170099/output.gif

close enough

[violet light]

Which is odd because I'm usually good at lost kin

[bleak geyser]

Alr w man

[silk robin]

was this you?

[tropic nest]

Mentioned

[empty lynx]

It was te

[silk robin]

te?

true ending?

[tropic nest]

[empty lynx]

the one who comes when people call their name

I was gonna say demon for accuracy but that's mean

[violet light]

Oh my god I forgot that white defender is in p4

[vernal apex]

Isn’t skerik more better here that ddash?

[empty lynx]

It's better to use ddark as he screams for safety

As for dash eh it doesn't matter that much

Your nail already goes brrrrr

[normal wadi]

Should I do PoP today, or P5?

[vernal apex]

Pop

[empty lynx]

Pop

not nearly as slop as p5

[wispy sky]

pop

[vernal apex]

P5 in final ending do it the last thing

[normal wadi]

aight

[silk robin]

why does #hk-discussion feel so much more comfortable than #sk-discussion even though I'm playing skong

[normal wadi]

k

[warm aurora]

I am simply doing p5 last because of its difficulty

Way harder as PoP

And I took well over 15 hours for PoP

Which is far above average I think

[eternal warren]

speaking of p5, does anyone have any tips for ||abs rad||?

[empty lynx]

I have gimme a sec

[eternal warren]

that sound about like what it took me, possibly less

[tropic nest]

p5ab doc incoming

[empty lynx]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qC88RU8IXwrY58MpmXZs14UO1ECRUqBTo12RDVIKIYE/edit?usp=sharing

[empty lynx]

Ain't nobody got time for allat

[warm aurora]

I still feel I need more tips for that boss but I have gotten so many already, including this doc

[eternal warren]

oh damn, I'm not even doing any bindings (I did on p1-4 for some lifeblood), I just want to get the godseaker endings

[fresh isle]

https://www.twitch.tv/elokiyep/clip/LuckyHyperPigMVGame-1P_ke2Y1WsVB-Hom?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[empty lynx]

cotton

[warm aurora]

I only did bindings because I was exhausted of p5 training

[empty lynx]

It also works as a p5 guide

[eternal warren]

thanks

[empty lynx]

Np

[eternal warren]

*some, I did some bindings on p1-4, aka the bare minimum to unlock any lifeblood, nail binding on all four, and soul and mask bindings on 1&2 (not at the same time)

[violet light]

Lost kin down

[eternal warren]

nice!

[violet light]

Ooo no eyes

I'm more used to p5's ordering 🥹

[warm aurora]

That segment is the same order in p5

[silk robin]

guys
how was this place before silksong

anyone remember?

[violet light]

I'm honestly not used to any ordering

I haven't played this game since january

[keen thorn]

So insanely different

I miss it

Mid-2025 HK main is peak HK main

[naive dew]

@keen thorn @keen thorn

[hollow nova]

2025 before Silksong was peak fr cuz the server was constantly growing

[bitter jolt]

basically if she does something, ddark

[violet light]

Istg every boss dies before I can get enough soul to heal

[carmine lava]

nope

[violet light]

Fucking traitor lord

[hollow nova]

The triple laser burst attack provides an opportunity to heal

[violet light]

I gotta radiant that thing before I continue p4ab

[bitter jolt]

it also provides an opportunity to use ddark for iframes

[violet light]

That was quick

[hollow nova]

Otherwise uh use abyss shriek and descending dark, take quickslash, and make sure to at least beat her on ascended mode before attempting to beat P5 imo

[violet light]

Ignore my masks

[wispy sky]

he only has like 3 attacks reallu

[patent rain]

One mask

[wispy sky]

hes easy

[violet light]

I'm rusty

[bitter jolt]

ddarks important yes, if absrsd breathes you must cast descending dark

[wispy sky]

when he goes forward pogo when he goes up then dives shade cloak

big pillar is self explanatoru

[tropic nest]

shriek on jump surely

[warm aurora]

Easy compared to lost kin tho

Which you just did

[wispy sky]

oooh

never thought of that

[violet light]

You're right

[eternal warren]

Of my p5 runs, traitor lord killed the most of them, which is wild because he's easy when i do him in hall of gods

[violet light]

I died on p4ab on traitor lord but I just beat him in 30 seconds

Clip of me doing it rad ig

[eternal warren]

damn

[keen thorn]

@naive dew

[naive dew]

hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii geno

[violet light]

Doing p5 to warmup for p4ab

[empty lynx]

Why?

[violet light]

To practice

[empty lynx]

Fair

I mean if you are practicing for just p4ab wouldn't it be better to play charmless

He does get an hp boost on ascended radiant anyway

Almost an accurate emulation

[violet light]

...

[empty lynx]

Also i honestly think you should ddark after his slam attack everytime-

womp

[empty lynx]

who doesn't

[honest shale]

alternatively just keep traitor walk in mind

[empty lynx]

booooring

[violet light]

booo

[honest shale]

i mean it works and doesnt use the soul that ddark would

[empty lynx]

boooooring

With an extra o

[honest shale]

ddark also loses out on nail dps making the fight last longer

[empty lynx]

nail only gameplay isn't fun anyway

[honest shale]

and ddark spam is?

[empty lynx]

yes it is

Why are you dying ☠️ to bosses 👨🏼? You should just be using descending dark 🕶. Descending ⬇️ dark 🕶️ gives you iframes 👀 which stop 🛑 you taking damage 😔. It also does a🅰️🅰️ lot of damage 😢. Stop 🛑 dying ☠️ to video 📻📻👾 game 👾 bosses 👨🏼 and just use descending ⬇️ dark 🌑

[honest shale]

also its traitor lord what the fuck else would you be doing

[empty lynx]

Ddarking and shrieking

[violet light]

Tbh I'm spell carried so I like spells a lot more

[honest shale]

where the fuck are you shrieking in traitor lord?

[empty lynx]

Jump

[hallow solar]

Stupid thunderstorm

[empty lynx]

There's like no reason not to

[honest shale]

traitor walk

[violet light]

I just realised that I'm overcharmed

[empty lynx]

Doesn't happen after jump

[empty lynx]

Say on god

[violet light]

on god

Might as well commit

[empty lynx]

this last hour it just didn't occur to you that your masks were glowing a weird shade of ourple

[honest shale]

…what?

[keen thorn]

Walk is consistent

[keen thorn]

No that's not it

[violet light]

I get rather focused on the gameplay rather than my masks glowing ourple

[honest shale]

dumb of ass

[empty lynx]

I only know that it has a chance of happening after One of the 2 special moves

is there more to it?

[naive dew]

@keen thorn should i grind achievements grind study or grind bingy or grind something else

[keen thorn]

After a shockwave or disks TL gets drunk and thinks he can walk without reason and can unleash it.
By walking or dashing this state gets deleted and can no longer walk

[honest shale]

wouldnt you still be in shriek endlag by the time it could happen?

[violet light]

Grind achievements

[keen thorn]

Read what I just sent

[keen thorn]

Grind study

And then grind R5

[warm aurora]

I think it might be patched since I havent had it recently but have experienced it a lot before then
But someone should test it

[tropic nest]

mm

[empty lynx]

Felt the same after watching eloki

[wispy sky]

didnt notice that they did double damage

[honest shale]

im saying after the jump wouldnt shriek endlag be long enough for traitor walk to trigger. I am aware of how the glitch occurs

[keen thorn]

@empty lynx

[native epoch]

where are the names of the pale guardians mentioned in the game

[keen thorn]

Probably idk just don't shriek when walk is a thing

[native epoch]

or even that these were the ones guarding the king

[wispy sky]

the what

[fallow grotto]

@Li

[keen thorn]

You can't react if it happens instead of a jump anyways to be in position

[honest shale]

fair enough

[native epoch]

isma,dryya,ogrim,hegemol,ze'emer

[empty lynx]

Yea no i do know that
Is the walk always after one of them or is it just stored?

[native epoch]

these guys

[wispy sky]

the 5 great knights

[native epoch]

yeah those

[warm aurora]

He cant walk if he didnt do a special attack before the jump (or 2 jumps prior) so you would be fine

[wispy sky]

i think sheo mentions them all by name

[keen thorn]

Just stored and happens randomly when stored

[empty lynx]

That's a he btw surprisingly

[warm aurora]

True, I keep messing that up

[empty lynx]

That's fair

mantis lords connection and allat

[warm aurora]

Confusing bug genders

[empty lynx]

I see the vision

[keen thorn]

White Defender says them

[tropic skiff]

Dung Defender - White Defender - Dream Nailed during fight

Hegemol... I miss your humour...
Ze'mer... I miss your stories...
Dryya... I miss your wisdom...
Isma... I miss.. I miss you...
Your Majesty... Have faith in me!

@teqnok used /npcs misc name: Dung Defender category: White Defender dialogue: Dream Nailed during fight

[warm aurora]

And then a silksong npc whose name ends in an 'a' is a he

[wispy sky]

and sheo mentions them all

[warm aurora]

Sheo?

[wispy sky]

yes

[violet light]

Mantis lords

I forgot the other name for the p5 variant

[warm aurora]

Sisters of battle

[violet light]

Right

[wispy sky]

after saving nailsmith

[honest shale]

again, i know how traitor walk works. Im saying in the scenario it would be possible shriek endlag would be too long to react

[warm aurora]

Its on your screen soon

[tropic skiff]

Sheo - After training - Listening when modelling with the Nailsmith

Building these models takes patience and a light touch. It's worth it though, seeing the grand old Knights of Hallownest come to life before our eyes.
Mighty Hegemol was always my favourite. What a towering figure he was, though surprisingly soft spoken for one so large.
They were all impressive in their own right, of course. Fierce Dryya, kindly Isma, mysterious Ze'mer... erm, and the other one.

@teqnok used /npcs misc name: Sheo category: After training dialogue: Listening when modelling with the Nailsmith

[empty lynx]

Which is why hunter's journal is MID

[wispy sky]

that and white defender makes it obvious ogrim is the other one

[warm aurora]

Cool

[wispy sky]

not hk help

[empty lynx]

Spoilers for sk i mean

[warm aurora]

And are vessels ever adressed in hk

Because they are all 'they's'

[wispy sky]

little ghost

or “the vessel”

[warm aurora]

I meant adressed with gender terms

[native epoch]

ohh in the fight

[warm aurora]

Anything that could work to make it confusing

[native epoch]

but how'd u know which is which

[empty lynx]

Most likely just it its

[warm aurora]

Ismas tear covers that
Idk if mystic zemers name appears in resting grounds

[cunning nymph]

I'm going to do pantheon now that I am done with silksong, now what should i know about the pantheon or some tips

[empty lynx]

Doesn't she constantly say ze'mer though

[warm aurora]

Practice bosses with the build you plan to use and practice whenever needed

[empty lynx]

I'd assume with the way she talks that ze'mer fits her

[warm aurora]

Idk I was asking that

[violet light]

I keep getting interupted every time I reach flow state

[cunning nymph]

Does some of the pantheon beside p5 have some sort of checkpoint?

[empty lynx]

Hegemol is a tuff name for a giant great knight

[violet light]

But at least sob is done now

[tropic nest]

they all do
1-4 have one halfway through
5 has 7

[empty lynx]

There is a bench after 5 bosses only for healing

[empty lynx]

Dryya is even tuffer for a boss lady

[warm aurora]

And charm swapping
And soul

And peace

[cunning nymph]

Wait, don't p5 is a one long run of boss marathon, like no checkpoint at all?

[tropic nest]

its not

[violet light]

There's breaks

[warm aurora]

Only 7 checkpoints

And one free heal

[tropic nest]

there are 9 segments, 7 benches

[violet light]

After every final boss of the regular pantheons I think

And some more inbetween

[empty lynx]

the one free heal being failed champion

[warm aurora]

I meant before the final boss

[cunning nymph]

Hmmm, but beside p5, when you die, does it go back from the beginning

[tropic nest]

yes

[violet light]

Yeah

[native epoch]

and the others?

[empty lynx]

Shut up failed champion is a free heal change my mind

[warm aurora]

There is a bench after boss
10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35 and 40 and a heal after 41

[violet light]

Why is your username Euler's Identity

[tropic nest]

low gear

[native epoch]

it's not

[empty lynx]

fuck you (kindly)

[warm aurora]

Yes
But you implied that the free heal I meant was fchamp, which it wasnt

[native epoch]

it HAS euler's NUMBER

[violet light]

Oh

[empty lynx]

There are two free heals

[violet light]

Oh right

[warm aurora]

I am still convinced that is why fchamp is before nkg

[violet light]

I thought they were interchangeable terms

[warm aurora]

You cant not count false knight then

[keen thorn]

Euler's Identity is e^iπ=-1

[native epoch]

nope

[violet light]

Oh

[empty lynx]

who is healing at false knight

[native epoch]

euler did too many things we are running out of terms

[warm aurora]

I count guaranteed full hp as a free heal too

[tropic nest]

you wouldnt believe it

[violet light]

Just heal when you kill him

[native epoch]

yay math kiddo

[violet light]

If you need to

[empty lynx]

Yknow what why am i complaining
we are counting false knight

[vale condor]

🐑

[warm aurora]

Yay

[empty lynx]

Vengefly king resets aren't actual resets!?

[violet light]

Sheo time

[keen thorn]

🐑🐏

[violet light]

How tranquil

[warm aurora]

What would be the perfect context/situation to use

Its a great emoji

[empty lynx]

Getting insulted kindly

[violet light]

Use it like how the rain world people use

[honest shale]

in replacement of

[warm aurora]

[honest shale]

RAAAAH

i cant fucking type

[warm aurora]

You swapped the 2?

[flint sequoia]

if you're sad but also a cowboy

[violet light]

I wonder why it seems like the collector is made of void

And why it doesn't give you soul when attacked

[warm aurora]

[empty lynx]

Does she know

[honest shale]

just use instead of

[cunning nymph]

Bro, collector IS made out of void

[zinc delta]

hello everynyan

[empty lynx]

Interestingly enough you get soul from dreamnailing it

[warm aurora]

Hi

[honest shale]

because the collector is made out of void and doesnt give you soul when attacked

[flint sequoia]

sollector

[zinc delta]

are my pineapples ready?

[violet light]

[flint sequoia]

kill nondescript person for this unforgivable mistake

[empty lynx]

Super collector

[warm aurora]

Opposite applies to pv and thk

[zinc delta]

TENNA!1!

[empty lynx]

aka old nail white spells all bindings radiant phase 2 only collector

[empty lynx]

Coming straight from down the street

[honest shale]

so just r04 collector?

[warm aurora]

Collector but radiant with 1 damage, charmless, no spells or nailarts

[flint sequoia]

do you think if the collector had no more stuff to collect he would go sighhh just like the void i'm emotionless, maybe the real reason i dont give soul when hit is because im just soulless, delete fealing

[warm aurora]

And he can summon everything
Without cap

[empty lynx]

R04 collector except the entire fight is phase 2 all throughout
Also nail arts are banned

[violet light]

Normal grimm done

[honest shale]

doesnt phase 2 start after 2 jar drops

[warm aurora]

Its late I am leaving

[empty lynx]

Phase 2 starts after collector reaches a certain hp point

[violet light]

Where is godseeker

[empty lynx]

For me it happens after like a minute or so

[honest shale]

i did not know this

[violet light]

I swear he used to be there

[empty lynx]

Isn't there in godseeker mode

[warm aurora]

Overcharmed easter egg or smt

[violet light]

Oh

[honest shale]

what fucking mod are you using

[warm aurora]

That makes more sense

[violet light]

None 😭

[warm aurora]

I was guessing

[empty lynx]

Godseeker mode lets her not try to summon unn

[honest shale]

oh alright then

[violet light]

I'm playing vanilla p5 overcharmed on godseeker

[native epoch]

at least he didn't make this

[warm aurora]

Fun formula

[native epoch]

true

so fun

[violet light]

What the hell is e doing here (I'm assuming it's the constant, not a variable)

[native epoch]

it's a variable here

not euler's number

see the letters; a,b,c,d,e

just coefficients of the quartic

[violet light]

Uumuu time

😰

[native epoch]

uumuu used to remind me of math stuff

dk why

maybe cuz monomon is a teacher

[violet light]

[zinc delta]

someone said w hack in mc prison just bc i killed them with a bow

[violet light]

Dear lord Sly

[zinc delta]

best reaction to a bow kill all year

[naive dew]

Someone else said achievements and thats more fun

R5 sucks its just boring

[naive dew]

Thanks

[violet light]

I forgot all his attacks oml

[naive dew]

Study boring r5 boring achievement goog

[queen lodge]

Still getting whooped anyone got tips for plats?

[naive dew]

I have too many games to do achievements in tho sighhh

[violet light]

I'm scared for the p4 bosses

Since half of them do double damage + they're the ascended versions

So NOW I can do lost kin

Actually nvm last time I tried was ab and now I have my charms equipped 🤔

[naive dew]

My life is so hard smh

[fresh isle]

GO TO SLEEP

NOWWWWWWWWWW

[violet light]

What time is it for him?

[fresh isle]

2:30 - 3:30 am idr

[violet light]

[fresh isle]

he needs to be up at 7 am

[naive dew]

1:30 tyvm

[fresh isle]

same thing

[naive dew]

And it got delayed to 8:45 :P

[violet light]

White defender down

[naive dew]

My first class got shot dead so we’re so back

[violet light]

I couldn't cheese him like I normally do because I don't have sprint/dashmaster

[queen lodge]

Which ones?

[violet light]

Any of the ones that normally do 2 masks of damage

[naive dew]

Arent you meant to be solving world peace or something

[queen lodge]

Well traitor lord is honestly easy eats

[violet light]

Like enraged guardian, pv, failed champ, I forgot the rest

[queen lodge]

Enraged is free

[violet light]

And also white defender even if I just beat him

[fresh isle]

how do i do that

[naive dew]

112 hitless

It doesnt have to be a motivator but as soon as you get it world peace happens

[queen lodge]

Do you have gpz or no?

[violet light]

I miss the presence of him

[violet light]

I'm on a godseeker file rn so I'm not sure

Hopefully not

[queen lodge]

You do then

[violet light]

[queen lodge]

I will say remember to get full health and as much soul as you can from failed

[violet light]

I will

[queen lodge]

He works as a pseudo bench for nkg

[violet light]

I usually just cheese failed for free soul and hp

Since, well... Failed is free

[queen lodge]

I recommend after final stagger heal kill then dream nail spam

[violet light]

Especially with shaman + strength

[queen lodge]

Good

[violet light]

Here's my charms rn

Fighting soul tyrant

[queen lodge]

Overcharm?

[violet light]

Yeah

That's why I'm scared

Forgot to unequip for p5 and decided to just go for it

[patent rain]

Is this a mod

[queen lodge]

Do you have any lifeblood?

[violet light]

No

[patent rain]

How R u overcharmed

Cant u just use infinite charms atp

[queen lodge]

No why would you think that

[violet light]

No

You can only overcharm by one charm

[patent rain]

Its overcharmed

[queen lodge]

No

[violet light]

You can overcharm at any point in the game given you have charms

[queen lodge]

Yeah overcharm is vanilla

[patent rain]

What

[violet light]

?

[queen lodge]

Is bro new or smth?

[violet light]

Have you never overcharmed before?

[patent rain]

No

[violet light]

That makes sense then

[patent rain]

It doesnt let me

I cant select more charms

[violet light]

Just spam the equip

[queen lodge]

Ok so to overcharm you can't have exact

[violet light]

It takes a few times to actually overcharm for the first time

[violet light]

And that

I'm fucked

[queen lodge]

Its like if you have only 8 notches you can't use 2 4 notch charms and over charm but you can use a 4 notch and a 3 notch then overcharm another 4 notch

[queen lodge]

Oh no its JOHN SKILL ISSUE

[violet light]

I sucked at markoth, even in my prime

[queen lodge]

As someone who did radkoth i feel you

I hate him so much

[silk robin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332009334292484139/1366389508622385182/1354238781925888111.gif

[violet light]

Gotta take it extra slow

And I mean a hit every now and then slow 🥹

[queen lodge]

Yep thats how it is

[violet light]

Please tell me there's a bench after this

[queen lodge]

I don't think much thought went into markoths fight

[fresh isle]

sigh

[queen lodge]

No its gpz

[violet light]

...

[silk robin]

gpz, nkg and THEN bench

[queen lodge]

Bench is after nkg

[silk robin]

and then pure vessel

[violet light]

NKG is free

And PV

[queen lodge]

Wouldn't say free

[magic storm]

hgis

[silk robin]

and then absrad

[violet light]

Little less free

[silk robin]

bro DEF never rad'd pv

[queen lodge]

But easy if you know his choreography

[indigo grail]

You forgot Failed Champion

[silk robin]

still easier than markoth to me personally

[queen lodge]

For nkg

[silk robin]

ah

[queen lodge]

Mhm sure

[keen thorn]

Why are you overcharmed what

[violet light]

Because I'm commited to the bit

[silk robin]

bro DEF never rad'd hog

[patent rain]

Rlly? I still cant beat him 😔

[violet light]

And I'm too lazy to switch

[queen lodge]

Learn his choreography

[zinc delta]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-gif-6045673925874027287

[warm aurora]

Hitless compared to normal
Normal is still hard

[violet light]

Does GPZ do double damage in pantheons?

[warm aurora]

No

[silk robin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868933408481493092/1151641009382506606/Carrot.gif

[violet light]

GOOD

[warm aurora]

Except volatile zotelings

[keen thorn]

NKG is easier than mossie

[violet light]

I knew that

[silk robin]

do people wonder how others get their gifs or something

[violet light]

Yeah

[frozen storm]

I think I'm philosophying too much recently

[frozen storm]

Nkg so boring

[violet light]

Why do I have no soul

[queen lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-markoth-skill-issue-grimm-gif-7547399455572018214

[violet light]

I'm just sitting and reflecting on the pause screen

No soul 😭

[queen lodge]

Oof

[silk robin]

might be ggs

[raven rock]

https://tenor.com/eCXPRjy3I6O.gif

[silk robin]

but NO ONE CARES

[violet light]

YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME

I'M DOING THIS ON MY NORMAL 112 SAVE SO I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS BEAST

[queen lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-zote-the-knight-gif-14177395

[violet light]

Why am I in black egg

Genuinely what was I doing

[silk robin]

idk vro

[raven rock]

sitting on the bench

[queen lodge]

Once you learn gpz he's not that bad

[indigo grail]

I started a new save file just so I wouldn't have to deal with that bastard

[violet light]

Ah that makes sense

[queen lodge]

Tho that can be said for most bosses

[violet light]

I specifically left him to die on my ss save so I didn't have to deal with him in p5

[raven rock]

I accidentally left him to die on my first playthrough because I SOMEHOW was struggling on vengefly king

[indigo grail]

Pantheon deaths don't end Steel Soul runs

[raven rock]

they don't?

[patent rain]

Is he at 10 kills or first encounter in the pantheons?

[violet light]

For convenience, not for the save

[naive dew]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-gif-16827497663049161731

[frozen storm]

The problem isn't gpz

[naive dew]

Eloki how do i not be bad at godhome anymore

[frozen storm]

The nerves are the problem

[queen lodge]

Huh?

[raven rock]

be better at godhome

[indigo grail]

Only dream deaths that end your Steel Soul run are White Palace (including Path of Pain) and Radiance

[indigo grail]

Ahhh okay

[patent rain]

When he gets harder after each kill

[raven rock]

I could've sworn pantheon deaths counted

oh well

[violet light]

I got cornered by the floating zoteling thingy and the prince himself

[queen lodge]

After 3 in the basement only besides asc and rad in hog

[violet light]

Nevermind I have GPZ on my normal save

To the steel soul save

[frozen storm]

Getting cornered sucks ass

[queen lodge]

Or just git gud

[violet light]

This is the true hog experience

[fresh isle]

ummm what are u having trouble with

[queen lodge]

Thats what i did

[fresh isle]

like remembering stuff or

[violet light]

Not having to experience the beast

[silk robin]

everything

[fresh isle]

if theres any specific bosses u want help with id be happy to help

[naive dew]

More or less i lowkey had some absolutely disastrous hits that shouldnt ever happen because i did a full 180 and became good at overworld and bad at godhome

[violet light]

This this good for p5

(No I'm not getting rid of the overcharm)

[naive dew]

The only ones i cant consistently do like pretty much every time anymore are like GPZ and kinda gpz for some reason

Im not even certain why ive always been able to do him rad like many times in a row

[indigo grail]

So...dark...

[silk robin]

STABLE BODY???

[naive dew]

Lowkey it just comes down to rememebring how to use ddark because i lowkey forgo

[indigo grail]

On god why are you overcharmed

[violet light]

For a challenge

Cuz I have nothing else to do

[silk robin]

WHY STABLE BODY

[queen lodge]

Still have no idea why you're overcharming

[indigo grail]

P5 wasn't hard enough?

[fresh isle]

me too im gonna be real 😭

[naive dew]

😭😭😭 it makes no sense

[violet light]

Nail build

[naive dew]

Ive literally never had issues with rad gpz in my entire life

[silk robin]

STILL

[violet light]

• shaman because it's the goat

[naive dew]

Every other boss i feel like iust comes down to getting muscle memory back

[indigo grail]

Oh hey eloki you're a mod now? Neato

[fresh isle]

like
i can barely remember any definitive strats for gpz lmao

hihi

[patent rain]

What does overcharmed have a downside?

And whys void heart there isnt it unnecessary after dream no more

[violet light]

You can't unequip voidheart

It's bound to the user

[patent rain]

Bru

[violet light]

Genuinely

[frozen storm]

Just jump
It generally works

[indigo grail]

Overcharmed means double damage everything

[naive dew]

I have so little memory of like every single boss that isnt just done in bingy now

[indigo grail]

If a boss already did double, then it does quadruple

[patent rain]

I was boutta ask that lol

[frozen storm]

Can you do rad pv first try?

[violet light]

But you get one extra charm

[naive dew]

Yes i opened hk earlier and did him like 7 times in a row that boss is not hard

[indigo grail]

Save it for the Judge /lh

[patent rain]

Only worth it if u can do with little to no hits

[frozen storm]

And absrad

[violet light]

I'm confident in myself

[naive dew]

Pv nkg and absrad i will never have issues with but more niche bosses ive lost memory on because why would i remember them if i pivoted to overworld

[frozen storm]

Do you have absrad muscle memory still?

[fresh isle]

the lower gpz stagger height on lp is actually prettyy nice

[naive dew]

Yeah absrad is still pretty free

[frozen storm]

The hive knight bees despawning after he died is also nice

[naive dew]

It actually is

[honest shale]

i missclicked into silksong discussion, didnt realise for an hour and wondered why i saw absolutely 0 people i recognised

[hallow solar]

3h 48m happy couple + banishment speedrun

[honest shale]

im so fucking smart

[naive dew]

Ssdly i play on 1578 for r5 because i like having gs+ and custom knight

[fresh isle]

okay
i think

i just placeboed myself into thinking dashing on the slam attack isnt safe for some reason ????

[violet light]

There he is

[fresh isle]

like idfk

[naive dew]

How do you do this

[frozen storm]

I can't play without RLO anymore

Lag genuinely sucks

[violet light]

Welcome back

[hallow solar]

3h 48m for happy couple and banishment is pretty cool i think

[fresh isle]

if you dash past him and he does the fake out u can get hit i think

[hallow solar]

idk if thats good or not

[naive dew]

Ive played on LP outside of r5 and bingy and its honestly wuitr fun

[naive dew]

Yes, at the same time you can wait very slightly longer and ur fine

[violet light]

Gorb

[fresh isle]

but also i think u can just dash away immediately and thats fine

idk

im refiguring out gpz i dont understandlmao

[naive dew]

U can

[indigo grail]

You don't recognize me? :((

[fresh isle]

alsoooo
i was scared to like

[naive dew]

But dashing past him is also just safe

[fresh isle]

kill the exploding zotes with nail

but like

[violet light]

Dung defender down

[fresh isle]

its so so fine 😭

[violet light]

Not excited for the rematch

[naive dew]

Shade soul zote dtill imo

Nail is like fine

[honest shale]

unfortunately i do

[naive dew]

Shade soul is just so fucking convenient tho

[frozen storm]

Sometimes I placebo myself into thinking I need to pogo on fire bats

[indigo grail]

Unfortunately?

[young lake]

eloki.

[honest shale]

yes

[fresh isle]

i literally just did gpz rad 10x in a row like i dont know what my issue is

[fresh isle]

hi serdna

[indigo grail]

Why unfortunately?

[naive dew]

Does gpz gice you any nerves in 112

Hes late as fuck no?

Granted he has much less health

[honest shale]

bcs fuck you

[frozen storm]

Do you need gpz for 112%

[fresh isle]

yes

[young lake]

how are you

[naive dew]

Serdna

[fresh isle]

im okay hru

[naive dew]

When do you do gpz

[violet light]

Oro & Mato done

[naive dew]

Id assume right after colo then its pretty much pantheons

[fresh isle]

ye

but he walks slower in overworrld

which
messes with my head

[young lake]

hi meloen

[naive dew]

Yeah thats lowkey fucked imo

Whats the hp value of first fight gpz its like 1k right

[young lake]

im ok
feeling a little sick

[indigo grail]

...

[frozen storm]

!wiki grey prince zote

[violet flicker]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Grey_Prince_Zote

[fallow grotto]

!wiki zote

[obtuse brook]

Lol

[violet flicker]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Zote_the_Mighty

[obtuse brook]

Sup chat

[fresh isle]

get well soon

[violet light]

Crystal guardian done

[frozen storm]

1.2k

[fallow grotto]

!wiki grand regent thragg

[naive dew]

Free

Slower movement would genuinely make gpz harder

I feel like it would fuck with my muscle memory

[young lake]

one can only hope

[fallow grotto]

itemless nailless gpz

[violet light]

Soul master done

[fresh isle]

it made me really confused and question everything i knew about the boss i think

like i think thats what happened now im fine

it just felt so off

[naive dew]

Sounds right

[violet light]

Oblobbles done

Sob time

[frozen storm]

I tried overworld white defender for the first time today and I was extremely weirded out by his ball form speed

[frail cape]

update on the rando I'm doing, it turns out each one of the hollow knight chains are also randomized, so I need to find all of those to beat the game as well
also this happened
-# minor loud warning

[fresh isle]

i still need to practice colo 3 sighhh

[naive dew]

I dont think about the ball form that much cause i dont do the infinite stall

[frozen storm]

I also don't, but I first tried it

[fresh isle]

white defender has 2 different ball speeds during that attack

[frozen storm]

I never tried it and it was so free

[zinc delta]

hi gui

[fresh isle]

one of them is jugglable one of them is just too fast

[violet light]

Sob done

[naive dew]

The fast one he stops being ball and just dives out

[frozen storm]

Does it depend on the level?

[naive dew]

No he just does

[frozen storm]

Hello

[frozen storm]

Weird, it never happened to me in godhome

[fresh isle]

i dont think his ai changes per level but i forgot

[naive dew]

In godhome he most certainly has two different speeds

[fresh isle]

if u shriek while he throws a 2nd dung ball during his dung throw u can pretty safely get a juggle in if u get lucky

[frozen storm]

Maybe the lag is just too much to make me realize that

[violet light]

Was the input delay on ps4 fixed in the visual overhaul?

[frozen storm]

Normal white defender had double the framerate

I need a new device asap atp

[fresh isle]

probably? idk

[naive dew]

Eloki im comfortable with WD but whats your strats? Wd i feel is such a brick wall boss

[violet light]

Sheo time

No more sheo time

[frozen storm]

Sheo is the most forgotten boss in the game

[fresh isle]

shriek during the 2nd dung ball throw when he does the dung ball throw attack
if you hit him constatnly you'll just get so much soul that you can afford to use ddarks for right before he pops out of the ground

[frozen storm]

No one talks about sheo

[fresh isle]

if u have quickslash mop you can hit him twice as he's falling down from the pop out of the ground attack without jumping pretty easily

by just sideslashing twice

it looks weird, but it works

just dash away if he looks towards the screen and telegraphhs his short dung wall attack obviously

idk

[zinc delta]

i lowk forgot sheo was a boss

sheo was just erased from my mind

[fresh isle]

oh also SUPER rare occurence but if you upslash white defender with the juggle strat RIGHT as he hits a wall he wont get upwards knockback

so you can jump before upslashing him as he's approaching a wall to change the timing

but you probably will never encounter or have to deal with it

[frozen storm]

Don't great slash him while he's popping out from the ground

[fresh isle]

oh yea

[frozen storm]

It has a timing, if you do it too early, you will get hit

[fresh isle]

honestly with r5 build theres no place for narts on white defender you can just whack him a ton

[frozen storm]

Depends on the distance too I think

[naive dew]

Seems pretty much exactly what i do with wd lmao

[fresh isle]

yea

[naive dew]

Ig hes pretty not that complex

[frozen storm]

Yeah but maybe another person that's not doing r5 may get advice here

[versed yew]

why the radiance ain just fly away when the knight was killing her

[fresh isle]

i like to do the ddarks if he's bouncing off a wall while in the ground because then its harder to predict where he's gonna come out from

[naive dew]

Yeah

[violet light]

Grimm done

[naive dew]

I just need to learn ddark im genuinely allergic to ddark

[violet light]

Gotta take a bathroom break, I'll be back

[naive dew]

I learn ddark i get r5 instantly

[violet light]

What's after the grimm bench?

I'll just figure out myself actually

[fresh isle]

surely

[violet light]

Unn room Ig

Oh watcher knights

Ok ig

[naive dew]

Bro like i think i genuinely used ddark 2 times in my 3 hit

[vale condor]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-walk-away-weirdo-touch-gif-26494423

boss discussion 🐑

[honest shale]

im genuinely having pv withdrawal symptoms

[patent rain]

Why is it when I start healing I play worse 😔

Hitless is easier atp

[kind rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/1098669732326019072/CRAB_IS_DANCE.gif

[violet light]

Nearly died to watcher knights

Dude WHAT is with these bosses when I'm suddenly low

[honest shale]

oh yeah uumuus next

then hornet 2

then sly

[violet light]

No winged nosk was after Uumuu

[patent rain]

Everyone says sly is hard and I cant say anything bc I havent fought him but he looks so simple when I watch the fight

[violet light]

At least I got a free heal from nosk

[patent rain]

When does nosk sprout wings

[honest shale]

dammit you already got there

[violet light]

P5

[zinc delta]

i'm eating some crunchy grapes

[patent rain]

Pantheon exclusive?

[violet light]

I think so

[patent rain]

O

[violet light]

And in HOG obviously

[violet light]

He's not bad but he's kinda difficult if you're unprepared in p5

Like me just now

[patent rain]

O

[violet light]

I wish hornet sentinel had the bench before her instead of after

[queen lodge]

I still hate this moth

[frail cape]

another update, apparently I have kaizo hornet or something because greenpath hornet is moving faster than hornet sentinel, and is throwing out a ton of the moss knight projectiles with thread storm, wtf 😭

[violet light]

It makes sense to end the pantheon 3 bosses with sly

[zinc delta]

then love the moth

[patent rain]

Are the benches just for healing or actual checkpoints in pantheons

[queen lodge]

Thats kinda the point of her is that she's the final boss of that section

[violet light]

Healing

[zinc delta]

changing charms too

[queen lodge]

Do you even know which moth

[patent rain]

How often do they show up

[zinc delta]

absrad

[queen lodge]

Nvm

[violet light]

After every pantheon and some inbetween

I think the p4 bosses have benches every 2-4 bosses

Or near the p4 bosses

[queen lodge]

Its every 4 or 5 bosses

[violet light]

Engraged guardja

[patent rain]

Wait do u reset every pantheon if u die on one of them

[violet light]

And now lost kin

[violet light]

If you die you restart

Like the other 4 pantheons you have to conquer

[patent rain]

Ik but only that pantheon or all of them

[queen lodge]

That's kinda how these things work

[eternal warren]

Wyrm?

[queen lodge]

The whole thing

Its a boss rush

[patent rain]

So if u die on p5 u go to p1

😔

[queen lodge]

Yes

Thats why its hard lmao

[violet light]

P5 is every boss in the game

• Absrad at the top

And all bosses are their ascended variants

[queen lodge]

It would be easy eats if you just restarted a section not the whole thing especially since final bench is just pv then absrad

[violet light]

Except they don't do 2 damage

Free traitor lord

Don't free traitor lord he's free as a boss

Holy crap I can't communicate

[patent rain]

Is there any normal variants bc isnt attuned slightly harder still

[honest shale]

no

it just has more health

[patent rain]

O

[violet light]

No

[honest shale]

or less if you’re nkg

[violet light]

More health + ascended arena if they have a different arena like Markoth and No eyes

[queen lodge]

Yay nons back

[violet light]

Thank god dung defender has a bench after his fight

WHITE defender*

[queen lodge]

Now he's gonna do 5 rad absrads again

[honest shale]

how’d you know?

[queen lodge]

Cause i know you

[violet light]

Hey look it's mother

[queen lodge]

Its your thing

[honest shale]

actually im gonna do rno absrad

[queen lodge]

Huh?

[honest shale]

radiant nail only

[violet light]

Soul tyrant done

Dear lord markoth

[honest shale]

gpz is right after btw

[violet light]

I'm on my ss so no

[violet light]

NKG after btw*

Omfg I'm at 2 masks

Nvm failed champion

[honest shale]

no failed champ then nkg

[coral rivet]

hi guys

[violet light]

Hiiii

[zinc delta]

hello

[queen lodge]

Slowly losing my will to do this fight again

[zinc delta]

hyd

[coral rivet]

what are all nail upgrades cus i have channelled nail rn

[violet light]

Extra damage

They also increase boss hp for I'm assuming balancing

But only slightly

[coral rivet]

no like all nail upgrades do i have like 2 more to get pure nail

[violet light]

Oh

[queen lodge]

Think pure is next

[violet light]

Coiled nail then pure nail iirc

[coral rivet]

BET

[queen lodge]

Swear it was channel then pure

[coral rivet]

time to find sum pale ore

[violet light]

I don't remember

[coral rivet]

huh

[queen lodge]

Me either lol

[coral rivet]

bruh

[queen lodge]

Ok guess u were right li

[zinc delta]

ain't it channeled, coiled then pure?

[coral rivet]

coiled?

[zinc delta]

idk which upg that is

[violet light]

Fully stocked on soul ans masks for nkg

[honest shale]

fortunately i do and its old, sharpened, channeled, coiled, pure

[violet light]

Nerd/j

[patent rain]

No eyes changes the arena? It already pissed me off...

[violet light]

Yeah

Greenpath vines everywhere

And no floor

[patent rain]

No eyes is just an easier soul tyrant to me

They both never sit still

Just lemme hit u damn

[violet light]

Omg I got down to 4 masks on nkg

Or 1 hit for me

[patent rain]

I forget that hes 4 masks for u

[queen lodge]

DAMMIT NAIL WALL INTO BURST ON TOP OF ME

On plats

[violet light]

I can feel the sweat coelescing on my hands

My poor controller

[queen lodge]

Oh you'd love markoth

[violet light]

I just got a hunter entry after beating nkg

Even though I already beat nkg like 3 times beforehand

Only three because I went for banishment on this save

[queen lodge]

Was it from nkg or lifeblood

[violet light]

I don't have lifeblood on p5 yet

Not skilled enough for bindings

Pv time

[patent rain]

Why

[violet light]

Y'all think I can radiant

[queen lodge]

Well nkg doesn't have an entry so idk

[violet light]

Achievement

[wise marsh]

what charm build should i run for fun?

[patent rain]

O

[queen lodge]

Like radiant hog or r5

[violet light]

P5 PV

[queen lodge]

How come i don't have that

[violet light]

Not R5 or Rhog

[patent rain]

Hes not even Grimm hes just the nightmare king

More tuff

[violet light]

I still need 3 more encounters

What do I not have?

[patent rain]

Dreamwielder

And wayward

[violet light]

Apparently the seal from pop even though I vividly remember doing pop on this save

[patent rain]

Won't help u in combat at all

[queen lodge]

Wait so you banished him and got the carefree melody and now just got the nkg entry?

[wise marsh]

doesnt dream wielder have use in combat

[patent rain]

I mean if u use the dream nail to get soul

Other than that

[wise marsh]

its quite nice how dream nail has a use

[violet light]

Wyrm father's throne

[wise marsh]

outside of story purposes

[violet light]

Time to fight my older non-gender conformant sibling

[coral rivet]

ru on steel soul!

[violet light]

Yeah

[coral rivet]

damn

[violet light]

There's no risk in godhome

[coral rivet]

oh

[violet light]

And I also don't have GPZ on here so it's easier

[coral rivet]

gpz?

[violet light]

OH MY GOD 2 MASKS

I USED TO RADIANT PV OMG 😭

[honest shale]

when u win u get healed

[queen lodge]

Li imma need answers dawg

[violet light]

Omg thank GOD

[violet light]

Yes

[queen lodge]

Hmm

[violet light]

I'mma stream my Absrad attempt

Since well... I made it this far overcharmed