hk-discussion

[spiral vault]

I would like to hear lowk

[wary hound]

wow

thx tho

[shrewd nymph]

and every boss having ads didnt help

wrong channel

[burnt horizon]

Its growing...
-# markoth ate my sanity

[desert falcon]

js realized yeah

[restive sequoia]

i don't miss doing this

oblobbles my behated

[burnt horizon]

Radiance and markoth wre gonna ruin my life...

[spiral vault]

I have to gaslight myself into thinking I never saw this

[burnt horizon]

Oh yea and those shits

[median marten]

wait

Why

Jnd

[burnt horizon]

Btw I did this because I was upset after dying in steel soul mode

[median marten]

Why does absrad not show in the list

[shrewd nymph]

radiance

[median marten]

Dows it not count as in teh hog

[burnt horizon]

I died to the balloons when getting out of the hole...

[restive sequoia]

radiance

[median marten]

But absrad

[shrewd nymph]

they just call it radiance

who knows

[median marten]

is that just absolute radiance

[shrewd nymph]

yeah

[median marten]

i thought they were like

Kinda different a little bit

[shrewd nymph]

they aree

[median marten]

idk

[shrewd nymph]

godhome 'radiance' is absolute radiance

the title screen says absolute radiance

but the black egg temple radiance is base radiance

[median marten]

so you cant fight normal rad in godhome?

[restive sequoia]

nope

[shrewd nymph]

correct

[median marten]

Alr

Thanks

[restive sequoia]

though honestly why would you

[median marten]

to get good at it

Idk

[keen thorn]

Doing silksong godhome has made me appreciate most bosses

[median marten]

i havent beat rad or nkg

[keen thorn]

I still the average boss is icky compared to HK tho

[median marten]

My friend just died on pv after void tendrils part

[shrewd nymph]

you gonna go for r5 in sk?

[median marten]

In p5

[keen thorn]

HK boss design is genuinely the most peak thing of all time

[median marten]

He was tyring to unlock absrad

[quartz cave]

hi unc

[shrewd nymph]

hk bosses are so peak EXCEPT for warrior dreams

[keen thorn]

RS4 and probably not because well...

It's just not worth

[shrewd nymph]

makes sense

sk bosses hitless is tedious

[keen thorn]

There are still a couple of bad bosses

[restive sequoia]

this i can agree

[keen thorn]

But also it just takes a lot more to do S4 than it does to do P5

[restive sequoia]

though that's mostly me being too used to damage tanking

[tulip narwhal]

Hi unc

[keen thorn]

And there are a lot of bigger spikes than in HK since silksong bosses love to randomly float a lot relative to your position

[tulip narwhal]

Oswald is winning the unc awards

[queen ore]

I think silksong bosses are for the most part better
hk bosses are still great I just think there's higher highs in silksong

[keen thorn]

HK bosses only randomly float alone

[dense fjord]

Sk has a godhome??

[shrewd nymph]

that + every 2nd boss having ads

[restive sequoia]

no

[shrewd nymph]

mod

[keen thorn]

Nah. Maybe from a casual perspective.
But now that I'm deep into godhome, only one boss cracks the S tier but barely. They can't compete with gpz and absrad

But also the genes boss is very icky

Their movements mainly

[restive sequoia]

karm?

[shrewd nymph]

i had 2 bosses or smt i really liked in sk

[keen thorn]

High A

Not gonna say who because spoilers

[restive sequoia]

ik who then

[shrewd nymph]

for a casual playthrough i can get sk bossess > hk bosses

but at a non-casual level its not even close imo

[keen thorn]

But also bad silksong bosses are absolute shit slog

[restive sequoia]

i feel like it's the same for hk though

[queen ore]

||first sinner, lost lace, karmelita, last judge, phantom, TROBBIOOOOOO||

[keen thorn]

Exactly how I'd put it

[keen thorn]

Hey spoilers

[shrewd nymph]

no sk spoilers 😭

[spiral vault]

This is hk discussion dude

Wtf

[stoic cloud]

did hollow knight win any award?

silk song

[keen thorn]

If you're wondering it's the first one

[restive sequoia]

nvm my guess was wrong

[queen ore]

whoopsie
I thought ss spoilers were fine in this channel since hk spoilers are allowed

[restive sequoia]

action/adventure

[keen thorn]

No, silksong spoilers are still not fine here
I really wonder when that will change

It should be soon enough

[spiral vault]

5 years

[keen thorn]

Anyways

[restive sequoia]

never

[dense fjord]

The bosses that really stick out as fun to me (im not in act 3 and dont have double jump yet so pnly bosses before that) are cogwork dancers, lace 1, and.. uh… thats all i can really think of rn lmao

[keen thorn]

Also silksong bosses like, genuinely don't like hitless

[dense fjord]

Oh last judge was also super fun

[keen thorn]

Since SS was built a lot more around healing

[stoic cloud]

better than yotei and death stranding who got nothing

[shrewd nymph]

no sk spoilers btw

[keen thorn]

And SS heal is absolutely ridiculously busted compared to HK's

[dense fjord]

Oh right mb

[shrewd nymph]

its so funny seeing people who played sk first complain about hk heal

and i mean fair enough

[keen thorn]

So a lot of bosses have really annoying attacks to deal with

[vivid badger]

that

was the wrong server mb

[restive sequoia]

tbh i'm gonna have trouble getting back into regular hollow knight after playing so much skong

[keen thorn]

And that doesn't even say about low gear hornet which is a whole other can of worms

Low gear in SS is also shit

[dense fjord]

I think itd be more balanced if it was only 2 masks

[keen thorn]

Completely uninteresting

[shrewd nymph]

genio

[keen thorn]

Yeah?

[shrewd nymph]

did you find hk or sk faster pace

[keen thorn]

Maybe

[keen thorn]

Well... In what sense?

[shrewd nymph]

maybe just because hornet character is bigger but it looks so slow when i see high level sk gameplay compared to hk gameplay

let me think of a way to word it hmm

[restive sequoia]

hornet is definitely more faster paced than the knight

[shrewd nymph]

basically just this im a little lost on how to convey it

[keen thorn]

Circlet animation cancels and toolspam don't look slow

[shrewd nymph]

okay excluding the former because not that high level

[plucky charm]

Just made it to || absolute radiance || for the first time I’m not even mad that I died lol I’m just relieved

[shrewd nymph]

and toolspawn is ew to me

[keen thorn]

Also you should see the ||forum|| TAS it's genuinely sick

Lol

[shrewd nymph]

but i think its just the model size\

[keen thorn]

Partly

[shrewd nymph]

like i saw ur hitless pantheon gameplay for both and hk looked alot faster and precise to me

[keen thorn]

But also I think quickslash + steady body are to blame

[shrewd nymph]

yet yk same person

[wise marsh]

i feel like every first attempt is an execution

when reaching there

[keen thorn]

Yeah I get what you mean

But also my gameplay is not that high level yet, I have like, 150 hours I think

[dense fjord]

I think its moreso cuz silksong has a bigger map, like a lot of the “rooms” don’t actually feel like rooms and theyre like really big sections, whereas in hk most of the rooms (aside from like city and the abyss and a select few other places) feel like actual rooms so it feels faster cuz theres more room transitions

[keen thorn]

HK does carry over but eh

I could definitely refine

[shrewd nymph]

oh shit ur good asf for 150

[dense fjord]

I could be wrong on this but thats just from my observations lmao

[keen thorn]

The thing is just hitless doesn't allow most cool tech

[plucky charm]

Yeah lol. I am just glad I can practice the boss now

[shrewd nymph]

thats a good point ngl

and i do hate on sk bosses but dlc bosses could be peak

[dense fjord]

Also genio is hk the game u have most hours on?

[keen thorn]

Consider most good hk bosses are dlc

[quartz cave]

lie nuke, we all love and adore marmo ❤️

[shrewd nymph]

[keen thorn]

Surprisingly not
Minecraft I genuinely don't know but excluding that chance it's bee swarm simulator 💀

[shrewd nymph]

but the base ones are still better than hk

[worn hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/tasty-macarons-colorful-gif-15216859

[quartz cave]

meanwhile i hate all silkslop bosses apart from like 2.4

[shrewd nymph]

genio plays bee swarm ⁉️

[keen thorn]

Maybe clash of clans/royale actually

[dense fjord]

I love and adore marmu’s vibes and design and silliness, but actual combat is either “when will she die” or “how tf did she hit me”

[keen thorn]

I know in brawl stars I have like 600

[dense fjord]

Lmao thats fair

[quartz cave]

@ slavendar wake up its marmu discussion

[shrewd nymph]

@ levi @ grey

[foggy sable]

@ lune

[dense fjord]

Rdr2 is the game i have most hours on

[shrewd nymph]

oh hi

[quartz cave]

AHAHAHAHA

[keen thorn]

Used to 🥀

[shrewd nymph]

LMAO

[quartz cave]

rookie numbers..

[keen thorn]

Got to lvl 19 full white hive

[foggy sable]

I was reading game announcements and looked over here

[quartz cave]

i have almost 11k hours on rdr2

[foggy sable]

what you after

[shrewd nymph]

WHAT

[keen thorn]

I think I left with a couple of trillions

[worn hamlet]

time for 112 -_-

ugh

[shrewd nymph]

how do you have 11k in rdr2 when you have like 18k in LOL

oswald ur 18

[dense fjord]

I just redownload it last night so I’ll be coming for that crown

[keen thorn]

💀

[quartz cave]

lying on the internet

[shrewd nymph]

[quartz cave]

id never do that

but i do have 11k hours on league

[shrewd nymph]

i have like 1k in every shooter game that exists

[quartz cave]

vaoorant...

[shrewd nymph]

and then hk is the exception

[quartz cave]

dni baldorant

[shrewd nymph]

okay valo im like 600 chill

[foggy sable]

I have probably like 2.5k in eu4

[keen thorn]

Oh yeah guys I actually have 159 million hours on plants vs zombies

[quartz cave]

ive played <10 games in the past decade imo

[keen thorn]

Trust

[worn hamlet]

I've never played valorant or LoL :D

[dense fjord]

Binding of Isaac?🥹🥹🥹🥹 (its not really a shooter but isaac shoots tears out of his eyeballs so close enough)

[shrewd nymph]

no sadly

[quartz cave]

league
hk, silkslop
ori 1 and 2
celeste
blashepmous 1

thats it i think

[dense fjord]

Same (we shower and smell good)

[shrewd nymph]

i play like all the basic popular shooter games

hk is the only exception beyond like minecraft and wtv

[dense fjord]

You should get it, its so fun

[worn hamlet]

I was thinking more along the lines of being innocent and not having heard the slurs and horrors of the voice chats on those games

[foggy sable]

celeste...

[worn hamlet]

celeste mention

!

[dense fjord]

True..

[quartz cave]

BADLESTE

[dense fjord]

CELETSE? WHERE

[quartz cave]

celeste killed my grandma

jokes aside i really liked the majority of celeste

[worn hamlet]

the only reason I don't play celeste anymore is bc I'm too dumb to figure out the puzzles and looking everything up on the wiki is very disheartening

[quartz cave]

except like 6b and 8b

[dense fjord]

Did she forget to dash

[keen thorn]

Imo tyrant is still the best base game boss, but a lot of SS bosses are a solid A tier for me which is more than good enough when facing like, Lost Kin and regular radiance

[foggy sable]

I liked 8b

[quartz cave]

8b was depressing to play

[worn hamlet]

oh I didn't even get to b-side levels

I was just tryna get secret hearts to open up a gate thing

[shrewd nymph]

tyrant if the second phase always spawned above you would literally be my favourite boss including dlcs

[foggy sable]

I didn't like any of the chapter 5s except 5c

[quartz cave]

i liked all c's....

[dense fjord]

I havent finished the normal game yet but i wanna do b-side and c-side and get all strawberries and 100% celeste

[keen thorn]

Nkg, Grimm, Sly, Gpz, WD, hive knight, AbsRad, sob, sheo, o&m are all gone so

And pv

[shrewd nymph]

i dont like tmg

tbh

[quartz cave]

coincidentally, its me and 7c's 25th wedding anniversary ❤️

[foggy sable]

of that list I don't like sob, nkg, pv

[keen thorn]

It's fine for me
I don't let nkg's existence make TMG any worse

[worn hamlet]

guys

all charms, 7 grubs, or flower quest first

[keen thorn]

But atp they are the same fight just one is fully red

[carmine lava]

dang if we’re talking about base game then there goes most of the bosses i like

[keen thorn]

Wait true

[worn hamlet]

(I have 7 grubs left till all grubs)

[keen thorn]

Collector and Marloth are shit base game

[foggy sable]

I like oblobbles

[shrewd nymph]

even excluding nkg i dont like him

[dense fjord]

Wait lemme find my tier list

[median marten]

whasthat

[foggy sable]

in base game they are cool

[carmine lava]

at least for collector you could do itemless stuff but markoth is just bad

[dense fjord]

Actually

[worn hamlet]

mantis lords are decent ig

[shrewd nymph]

dashing away from uppercut hitting 50% of the time is a killer for me

and bats feels weird

[dense fjord]

Im gonna make a new tier list

[shrewd nymph]

troupe master grimm

[light gale]

2 people, those who love zote with every atom in their body and those who think that world hunger would be fixed if zote didnt exist which are u

[quartz cave]

troupe baldest grimm

[median marten]

LR

[worn hamlet]

im realizing all my fav bosses are dlc

[median marten]

sl

[worn hamlet]

this is very sad

[median marten]

alr

r

[keen thorn]

Yeah

[worn hamlet]

I think soul tyrant would be my fav base game boss

[vernal prairie]

https://youtube.com/shorts/wSMktAdJTtw?si=V2oT7g0pHIEtAUln

[carmine lava]

huh

[dense fjord]

Im the secret 3rd option, i hate zote but i love fighting grey prince zote (unless its rigjt after markoth, I HATE YOU P5)

[keen thorn]

Like the only bad dlc boss is Winged nosk, which I'd call mid even tho I like it

[worn hamlet]

there is nothing in this world more satisfying than getting 5 hits on the 6 orb attack going across the screen

[keen thorn]

And also collector and Markoth are 99% dlc boss

[carmine lava]

i don’t think winged nosk is bad

[vernal prairie]

After the game awards stream when I opened youtube shorts I was introduced to this PEAK.

[coral marlin]

Pure Vessel is my favourite boss, conceptually.

Gameplay wise? It might actually be Lost Kin, weirdly enough.

[light gale]

what do u think of eternal ordeal?

[worn hamlet]

absolutely nothing

[worn hamlet]

true

[dense fjord]

Havent done it yet lmao

[worn hamlet]

huh strange

[shrewd nymph]

maybe it is just nkg muscle memory but dash away > great slash doesnt hit half the time on tmg because i dash too far

[keen thorn]

It's just really not a good boss all things considered.
I like it but I gotta accept it's just a Vfk rehash

[worn hamlet]

to me lost kin is too much of a plain reaction time check with not enough precision or strategy involved

[light gale]

i got 21 first time and barely got any further in 5 more attempts

[carmine lava]

i like it more than vfk

[worn hamlet]

?

[keen thorn]

Me too

[shrewd nymph]

ok chill

[carmine lava]

vfk is too cluttered being a dual boss

[shrewd nymph]

vfk top 3 bosses in the game

lets not hate

[worn hamlet]

I need someone's opinion idk what to choose

[coral marlin]

Pure Vessel is a genuine duel between two vessels born of Wyrm and Void. Perfect concept.

Lost Kin? A fast-paced battle with perfect balance between nail and spell usage.

[scarlet bane]

Dashmaster should make you dash up walls like hornet

[dense fjord]

Yeah, to me winged nosk is vfk if vfk was actually enjoyable, and even then its not great lmao

[shrewd nymph]

lost kin? the jumps are rng and ruin your run

[red gale]

My favorite base game boss might just be hornet sentinel

[worn hamlet]

couldn't you also say that abt white defender?

[red gale]

Idk why. It just is

[worn hamlet]

except white defender also incorporates some nice precision and strategy

[keen thorn]

LK jumps are bald but they are very predictable eventually

[coral marlin]

I mean, you learn how to dodge them consistently after the first few hundred practice runs.

[worn hamlet]

as long as you don't use the cheese strat

[coral marlin]

About the gameplay or the concept?

[worn hamlet]

agreedddd

[worn hamlet]

gameplay

[dense fjord]

Okay brb

Gonna make a boss tier list

[shrewd nymph]

are they predictable? i just hold dash for the last second and even then it feels so sketch

[dense fjord]

Hopefully yall will like it lmao

[coral marlin]

I don't see the use case for spells in White Defender's battle, personally

[shrewd nymph]

still dislike the rng

[keen thorn]

Yesh

[worn hamlet]

?!

first of all, phase 2 exists

[zealous skiff]

shirek

[coral marlin]

That's fair

[worn hamlet]

second of all, he dashes around the arena an absurd amount

[deft karma]

Have any of you in the chat unlocked land of storms

[coral marlin]

So does dodging the balls that fly out, but okay

[carmine lava]

i tried to get a faster reclear of 04r lost kin but it’s just not a super enjoyable fight to do fast

[worn hamlet]

and third, unless you have near pixel perfect spacing then you cannot hit him while he's throwing balls

[shrewd nymph]

shriek/ddark to break thrown balls, shriek when he jumps out

[coral marlin]

Unlocked that like a week or two ago, actually

[deft karma]

nice

[worn hamlet]

and by phase 2 exists I mean as he goes back down, it's more dmg efficient to do a fireball or other spell than to use nail

[red gale]

Aren't lost kin's jumps homing?

[coral marlin]

...not gonna lie, never actually thought of using Shriek on him when he jumps out

[shrewd nymph]

its good because you cant hit him with nail anyways (atleast reliably)

i do ddark his thrown balls in hitless though but otherwise i dont bother

[worn hamlet]

:o I never thought of using shriek

[coral marlin]

This is coming from the guy that strategically Shrieks Collector

[foggy sable]

I ddark so much in the fight

more than shriek probably

[shrewd nymph]

same probably

[worn hamlet]

guys pick a number between 1 and 3

(I just need one response for this)

[coral marlin]

Like I never used Shriek vs. White Defender

[shrewd nymph]

do you nart in white defender? the only time i do is at the very very start

[coral marlin]

I only ever use DDark if I'm feeling too lazy to dodge the balls and want to get extra damage

Like I genuinely rarely ever use spells on WD

[keen thorn]

Honestly interesting thought experiment

But

[worn hamlet]

thank u someone finally did it

tysm livy

[coral marlin]

I thank you for bringing Shriek strats up against White Defender, that will be very useful for me

[grave merlin]

yw

[keen thorn]

Red fights would be straight up gone.
Orange would be hindered beyond repair and dropped substantially

It's crazy how good dlc fighting got

[worn hamlet]

so grubs first it is

[keen thorn]

Oh Mawlek I forgot

[foggy sable]

sometimes I cyclone

[coral marlin]

...Zote.

In "best fights".

[shrewd nymph]

where is vfk am i blind

[coral marlin]

I'm not even gonna say anything else, man.

[keen thorn]

From average it would go to dull and slow

[keen thorn]

Yesh

[shrewd nymph]

ohh i see it now

[keen thorn]

It's one of the best fights in gaming

[shrewd nymph]

as long as you dont take 5 hits to kill the minions its peak

and i hate fights with ads

[foggy sable]

I'd still be fine, although some of this is not what I agree with any more

[shrewd nymph]

vfk in E are we srs

[foggy sable]

yes

[red gale]

What are y'all's least favorite bosses? Whether the boss is boring, rng or just simply an agenda against them.

[coral marlin]

Is this like some kinda ironic "it's the best thing ever" joke or am I just too salty about P3 All Bindings to understand

[keen thorn]

But that's the actually fun part

[worn hamlet]

elder hu

[foggy sable]

(bear in mind I made it in July so some stuff should be shifted)

[keen thorn]

You're salty
I also used to hate him when doing bindings

[shrewd nymph]

no eyes galien marmu

[worn hamlet]

I seethe with rage every single damned time he teleports off the screen

nothing makes me angrier in hollow knight

[keen thorn]

Boring: elder hu
RNG: galien
Agenda: nosk

[worn hamlet]

or in all of gaming

[coral marlin]

At least Zote's Radiant is easy

[keen thorn]

My F tier

[worn hamlet]

not radgpz, not markoth, DAMN ELDER HU

elder hu be damned

[shrewd nymph]

notice how basically every 'least favourite boss' is a warrior dream

[coral marlin]

That's like the only good thing I'll say about him

[keen thorn]

Nosk

[shrewd nymph]

basically every

shh

[coral marlin]

Based

[shrewd nymph]

nosk just takes too long

[coral marlin]

Nosk is boring as hell

[red gale]

No eyes and marmu are some of the worst boss designs I've seen in videogames ngl

[coral marlin]

Boring becomes annoying when it comes to Winged Nosk

[foggy sable]

honestly I think I hate galien more than marmu

[worn hamlet]

I mean they were half designed by random ppl who had nothing to do with the game's testing or balancing

so it's valid in a way

[keen thorn]

Oh yeah this is my ordered 04 fun tier list

It's a very cool one

[coral marlin]

Winged Nosk is just Nosk mixed with Vengefly King and Broken Vessel

[worn hamlet]

still doesn't change how I feel abt elder hu tho

[zealous skiff]

sisters of battle, winged nosk, nosk but lowkey idrm the last 2 too much

[foggy sable]

I didn't mind nosk for it tbh

markoth was extremely painful

[worn hamlet]

heinous

[keen thorn]

My agenda grows stronger

[red gale]

Winged nosk is just nosk with horrible hitboxes and cancer

[worn hamlet]

sob as a least fav boss is absolutely wild

[coral marlin]

Real

[keen thorn]

Nosk SHOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN 1 HOUR

[worn hamlet]

why in the world would someone hate sob

[foggy sable]

I didn't mind broken vessel or hornet or soul master

[coral marlin]

Oh yeah I actually lost Steel Soul to Nosk once. I was just trying to rush him.

[keen thorn]

Nosk but remove the bad parts and add in the good parts of other bosses

[earnest apex]

White Palace be like:

[red gale]

Nosk deserves all the hate

[zealous skiff]

10 years long

[carmine lava]

nosk is fine

[worn hamlet]

?

[keen thorn]

F tier if you notice, it's just slow bosses + god tamer

[zealous skiff]

no room for aggressive play, plays the same way the entire time

[coral marlin]

If you mean "add in flying at you and spawning enemies that drag the fight out"

[worn hamlet]

low tier bait

[zealous skiff]

it has 500 more hp than every other boss on att

idk how thats bait

[worn hamlet]

there's absolutely no way you're saying that genuinely

absolutely none

[keen thorn]

And telefrag

[keen thorn]

Chomp is serious

[worn hamlet]

one telefrag that's easily avoidable

[zealous skiff]

I find it interesting how people can't grasp that the boss with the most hp takes too long to finish

[coral marlin]

Sisters of Battle is genuinely one of the most enjoyable bosses

Constant movement, you can't look away for even a moment during the fight

[keen thorn]

It's avoidable
But it's a pain in the ass to avoid when doing something hard

[worn hamlet]

is that not a part of the challenge and fun of it?

[foggy sable]

the fight is twice as long as it should be and half as fun

[keen thorn]

There are things that make it fun, there are things that don't

[zealous skiff]

YUP

[worn hamlet]

that's fair ig

[proud haven]

Bark bark bark

[keen thorn]

Mainly the fact the telefrag is just an invisible barrier you have to guess every time you move close

[worn hamlet]

I've never felt it was long personally, and also have never seen the hp numbers

so I can't rly speak on that too much tbh

[red gale]

He might be the 2nd worst dream warrior ngl. Only marmu really out bored me

[coral marlin]

Oh I gotta update my server profile

[delicate hemlock]

Mantis Lords in F? Soul Master in F?

[zealous skiff]

shared hp pool and i think its good

[keen thorn]

Full gear you don't feel it

Try low gear sob

It genuinely lasts eons

[worn hamlet]

I don't have mods ._.

[shrewd nymph]

gpz markoth and collector in S

[foggy sable]

yep lower total hp and make it a pool

[shrewd nymph]

😭

[worn hamlet]

and also doesn't low gear exponentially increase the length of all bosses

why is it different for sob

[foggy sable]

gpz was pretty fun

[keen thorn]

Gpz is by far the best 04

[shrewd nymph]

way too many hits to kill minions

[foggy sable]

because it doesn't get more difficult just longer

[zealous skiff]

based

[shrewd nymph]

rab gpz is the furthest i enjoy it

[foggy sable]

I liked absrad most

[delicate hemlock]

Wait wtf is 04

[keen thorn]

Tyrant is next and it's not even close

[foggy sable]

by far

[worn hamlet]

is that not how it goes for all low gear bosses?

[coral marlin]

Fun fact: When I first got to Hall of Gods, I started grinding out Radiant Nightmare King Grimm attempts like 5 bosses in

[shrewd nymph]

old nail white spells all bindings

[zealous skiff]

because sob is comically repetitive

[keen thorn]

AbsRad also drags for eons

[delicate hemlock]

💀

[foggy sable]

but I like absrad a lot

so I didn't mind

[worn hamlet]

that im still insanely confused on

[keen thorn]

I don't like fights that scale by just lasting 100 years even if they are cool

[nova fossil]

me like big hitbox me like absrad

[worn hamlet]

I played sob for like at least 50 hours before having seen all combinations

in my experience with p5

and hog

[keen thorn]

Markoth actually ends in like 5-7 minutes

[shrewd nymph]

absrad is cool bc no contact dmg so i dont risk dashing to her on a stagger and dying

[worn hamlet]

possibly more

[coral marlin]

I almost beat AbsRad Radiant Charmless.

The fuckin' beams scared me so much, the void caught up on the climb and killed me.

[foggy sable]

absrad is just bonk bonk bonk dive for 7 minutes

[keen thorn]

AbsRad is my uncontested favorite full gear boss

But I feel like bindings just take away what's coolest of her

And 0w just puts the nail in the coffin

[dense fjord]

Okay ive made my boss tier list (absrad isnt here as i havent fought her yet but i imagine itd be around nkg)

[worn hamlet]

man I wish I could figure out how to mod on my steam deck but nobody in modding server seems to know how to do it

[zealous skiff]

I doubt that, plus it isnt about the number of combos, doesn't matter if all supposedly 10 billion ways for sob to attack you all call for the response of jump -> pogo -> ddark or wings or whatever

[coral marlin]

What does "53/63" mean?

[zealous skiff]

in reposnse to this

[worn hamlet]

would be nice to genuinely be able to understand why everybody hates certain bosses on low gear/ab and stuff

[dense fjord]

My achievements

[coral marlin]

Ah, gotcha

[worn hamlet]

ohhh I see that's completely fair

[keen thorn]

Low gear opinions are genuinely a sight to behold

[foggy sable]

my opinions have become warped and bad over time

[worn hamlet]

less about the number of methods sob can attack u in and more abt that everything sob does requires the same response from the player

[keen thorn]

As you can see, qq, grey, lune, chomp and I have some insane disagreements

[onyx wigeon]

Hi I'm new

[dense fjord]

What do u guys think?

[foggy sable]

I should make a new teirlist

[worn hamlet]

mm

[keen thorn]

Not you

Explode

[onyx wigeon]

no

[agile pewter]

Hi im new

[coral marlin]

Y'know, I still have yet to take on Any Radiance

[onyx wigeon]

I don't know you

[worn hamlet]

Hi im old

[regal perch]

name a character with more aura I’ll wait

[worn hamlet]

white defender

[agile pewter]

Fucking dinosaur

:3

[sick heath]

Literally any other character

[worn hamlet]

:3

[coral marlin]

Hey new guy that definitely isn't a professional

Welcome to the server

[onyx wigeon]

Furry

[dense fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-4594523742914133487

[onyx wigeon]

No

butt shot

[worn hamlet]

shoulda kept the armor on

[onyx wigeon]

Why

[coral marlin]

Absolute Radiance when new players see her

[keen thorn]

Because sob is not a combo fight, it's a flow fight

You play based on a flow

[dense fjord]

Guyyssssss i want opinions 😞

[coral marlin]

Only when new players fight her, that is

[keen thorn]

Because it's too random to see all possibilities

[onyx wigeon]

SoB sucks

[coral marlin]

Absolute Radiance loses all aura when it's an experienced player

[onyx wigeon]

it's just one boss copypasted three times

[coral marlin]

0/10 ragebait

[dense fjord]

L opinion

[worn hamlet]

ye, I thought chomp was calling sob repetitive in terms of how it can attack the player. Didn't realize he was talking abt how limited the player's options are for it

[onyx wigeon]

ok

[zealous skiff]

👍

[onyx wigeon]

It's just a poorly made fight

[keen thorn]

Yeah
And that actually is an issue that plagues the favorites of casuals
Nkg suffers heavily from this too

[coral marlin]

Y'all think 4 Gruz Mothers is a good boss idea

[keen thorn]

PV gets a pass since it's so insanely cool to agro on it

[foggy sable]

............ no

[worn hamlet]

im assuming low gear excludes narts?

[keen thorn]

Shush

[foggy sable]

I don't think I will

[keen thorn]

Nah narts are allowed unless you specifically say nna

[worn hamlet]

:o

then nah nkg would still be tons of fun for me low gear I think

[onyx wigeon]

so it's lowgear unless otherwise

[keen thorn]

But narts are not agro

[onyx wigeon]

seems kind of redundant

[keen thorn]

Well cyclone is

[worn hamlet]

bc I exclusively use narts and spells

on nkg that is

[keen thorn]

But it's hard to actually agro with cyclone

[foggy sable]

I last enjoyed pv about 3 years ago

[coral marlin]

What if Hollow Knight had a level system

[dense fjord]

Wait i just realised which boss has the most aura, grey prince zote but only his lore, pre-battle animation, and title card, in battle he doesn’t even seem to know what he’s doing, but everything else is awesome abt him

[worn hamlet]

wait wym agro

[vivid creek]

Hi I'm New, I'm Hi

[worn hamlet]

are you talking abt when nkg is bowing?

does nkg even bow?

[zealous skiff]

hi new person

[sick heath]

Would make it way worse

[worn hamlet]

I don't remember it's been awhile ._.

[onyx wigeon]

I'm new

[keen thorn]

Playing aggressive
Basically maximizing damage windows by finding different openings

[onyx wigeon]

NKG Doesn't bow

[worn hamlet]

ohh

[onyx wigeon]

cuz he's dumb

[dense fjord]

Nuhuh

[coral marlin]

So he loses all his aura the moment he actually has to show aura, got it

[keen thorn]

Great and dash slash are passive by definition

[worn hamlet]

ye cyclone is really hard to agro with

[keen thorn]

Meant to be slow but heavy range options

[worn hamlet]

makes sense

[regal edge]

He's too busy putting up his [title card]

[keen thorn]

And cyclone is just... Cyclone lol

A massive commitment

[dense fjord]

He just has stage fright, he has to perform in front of his crush

[worn hamlet]

indeed

[onyx wigeon]

Just don't get hit

simple

[keen thorn]

No

[worn hamlet]

btw completely random question

[coral marlin]

Cyclone is definitely a huge dent in AbsRad's health if you can get it off with Nailmaster's Glory at the start

[worn hamlet]

do the gravity glitches exist on all hk versions?

[worn hamlet]

like using wings right after dashing off a platform

or wings directly after getting hit

[coral marlin]

Like the Levitation Glitch?

[keen thorn]

But now the issue with NKG is, he is on screen in such a small time.
You're probably as close as it gets to optimize or variety on attacks

So with hundreds of hours it gets stale

[worn hamlet]

nope idek what that is

[keen thorn]

R04 is literally just full gear but long

[worn hamlet]

entirely valid

[onyx wigeon]

But people like long

I can confirm

[coral marlin]

Oh yeah by the way, sometimes when I stun cancel with boss's roars, I'm put into an anti-gravity state

Like when I jump, I either ascend to the ceiling itself, or float when I fall

[keen thorn]

That's the float glitch

Idk why you'd get it from scream skips tho

[worn hamlet]

yea I genuinely don't understand why you'd do 04r bosses inside of R04 pantheons

[coral marlin]

Happened with Traitor Lord once.

Motherfucker took his sweet ass time hitting me down

[worn hamlet]

like you're already lengthening the bosses individually why do them in a row

[keen thorn]

?

[coral marlin]

Me neither. Never happened to me before my P4 AB attempts.

[keen thorn]

R04 pantheons are just fucking evil

R041 is already crazy insane

[worn hamlet]

also isn't hitless ab just enough

[coral marlin]

I'd Assume R03 are worse.

[worn hamlet]

why could someone need more ;-;

[coral marlin]

Masochism.

[worn hamlet]

wouldn't that just be removing a binding

[keen thorn]

I heard once that r043 compares enough to R5

[zealous skiff]

consistency test and mental test

[keen thorn]

Not sure how true but it was from a good player

So that should paint the picture

[worn hamlet]

that implies the person would be enjoying the experience of pain in it

[coral marlin]

Is the number not the pantheon number

[onyx wigeon]

Is this true

[worn hamlet]

I think doing smth like R043 or smth like that goes beyond that

[shrewd nymph]

i mean r044 is probably easier than r043 surely

[keen thorn]

R043
04 is the name of the challenge

[worn hamlet]

R04 is no upgrades all bindings

adding a number after that is the pantheon number

[coral marlin]

Ah

[shrewd nymph]

and r045 has been cleared once before to my knowledge

[worn hamlet]

that's absolutely wild

[coral marlin]

Tier list

Looks inside

Voidheart at S Tier

[worn hamlet]

good ;-;

[onyx wigeon]

r04567 when?

[worn hamlet]

screw you

[shrewd nymph]

i dont think r6 has even been cleared

[keen thorn]

Anyways just read the titles and look at the length
Post r04hog so it's optimized btw

[coral marlin]

Pantheon 7 Radiant All Bindings Old Nail Only No Nail Arts

[onyx wigeon]

20 views

bum

[worn hamlet]

so what you're telling me is that each one is nearly a normal p5 attempt

[keen thorn]

Levi has a 4 hit PB and according to him that is around R5AB difficulty so R6 is unimaginable

[shrewd nymph]

oh wow

[worn hamlet]

what the actual hell

[worn hamlet]

radiant pantheon SIX?

[shrewd nymph]

has levi done r5ab?

[worn hamlet]

we're doing MODDED PANTHEONS NOW?

[shrewd nymph]

full of modded bosses

[worn hamlet]

;-;

[keen thorn]

He has enraged guardian distance iirc

[worn hamlet]

hitless modded pantheons..

what the hell is this community atp

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sad-why-why-are-we-still-here-just-to-suffer-gif-17485467

[coral marlin]

So why is it "04" to say "all bindings" anyway?

[keen thorn]

All bindings nail 0 white spells

Not just all bindings

[onyx wigeon]

because people hate words and use numbers

[coral marlin]

Not gonna lie
I forgot that even meant anything

[onyx wigeon]

stupid mathematicians

[coral marlin]

I'm dead tired right now

[keen thorn]

But yeah like

R04 bosses are incredibly fun

Well most of them

[shrewd nymph]

flukemarm

[worn hamlet]

are you sure about that?

[keen thorn]

But even the cool ones put them in a row and it's just slog

[vivid creek]

How long did r04 watchers take

[onyx wigeon]

"Literal Torture"
"Fun"

[keen thorn]

9 minutes 💀

[worn hamlet]

this is why you should just do them in hog

[vivid creek]

How??

[keen thorn]

3.6k hp

Just

Evil

[coral marlin]

I feel like saying AB instead of just the number 4 would be more clear

Well

[shrewd nymph]

more effort to say

laze

[coral marlin]

I guess if it's not AB then it would get confusing

[worn hamlet]

this is why you should just do them in hog

[keen thorn]

But yes

They are actually fun I'm serious

Who is fun will depend on who you ask

[worn hamlet]

I'll take ur word for that :D

[onyx wigeon]

I think genio likes calculus\

[worn hamlet]

till I get mods myself

[coral marlin]

It's the principle of the matter

[shrewd nymph]

pv isnt fun

[onyx wigeon]

he is far gone

[shrewd nymph]

i can say that much

[worn hamlet]

I love calculus

it's so fun rn

[keen thorn]

But some bosses genuinely have really unique things that are only true in r04

[worn hamlet]

I wanna do integrals tho

derivatives have gotten really repetitive and boring

[shrewd nymph]

integrals are cool because they can be very easy or very very hard

derivatives kinda stay easy

[worn hamlet]

and I've heard that integrals are less of that algorithmy stuff

[keen thorn]

Derivatives are just mindless calculations

Boring

[coral marlin]

I've only beaten Pantheon 1 All Bindings with Old Nail only

It took me 49 minutes

[worn hamlet]

exactly

[keen thorn]

In Spanish we have a word for that: talacha

[shrewd nymph]

and like triple derivatives arent even hard but just lengthy

depending on the function

[keen thorn]

Talacha

[shrewd nymph]

why doesnt english have cool niche words smh

[worn hamlet]

:o

the frick is scottish gaelic

google translate what are you even doing ;-;

[coral marlin]

Correction: 43 minutes

[worn hamlet]

google translate that is not what that means

it's not even the right language

[keen thorn]

In Mexican Spanish it means arduous, tiring and long job

[coral marlin]

Rare case where AI translation might do better

[worn hamlet]

I see

[worn hamlet]

ima test that

[keen thorn]

But specifically in math context it means lengthy operations

[keen thorn]

Idk

It should

[worn hamlet]

yeah google gemini did better than google translate

[keen thorn]

Yeah pretty close

[worn hamlet]

also got the language of origin right

[keen thorn]

Amazing

[coral marlin]

Crazy

[keen thorn]

But it forgot to clarify it's only in Mexico

Lol

[coral marlin]

Well I'm gonna sleep

Goodnight guys

[worn hamlet]

gn ttyl!

[foggy sable]

derivatives arethe only cool maths I do now sadly

[keen thorn]

I should also

Gngn

[worn hamlet]

sadge

[coral marlin]

Gn guys

Sleep well

[worn hamlet]

u too :D

[foggy sable]

gn

[shrewd nymph]

goodnight genio

goodnight asra

[vivid creek]

Oh I meant how?? as in "How did it not take longer?"

[worn hamlet]

nuu he's going to sleep

[foggy sable]

the humble dive

[keen thorn]

Because I'm actually good at the game

[shrewd nymph]

ew ddive

[worn hamlet]

sleep

[foggy sable]

my clear was 7 minutes

[keen thorn]

I did my best to go fast

Fine

Gn

[worn hamlet]

[worn hamlet]

gn!

[zealous skiff]

[worn hamlet]

sleep well :D

[wintry plinth]

Once more I have my favorite emoji from another server

[onyx wigeon]

What if we just

[foggy sable]

failed champ

[onyx wigeon]

More Charm Tierlists yay

[foggy sable]

by far the hardest non collector/flukemarm imo

[onyx wigeon]

[shrewd nymph]

wtf good list

[vivid creek]

I have le major skill issue ig
Aside from the usual suspects (and flukemarm ig), what are the harder r04 bosses?

[foggy sable]

spells
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8enMcStvOM

[onyx wigeon]

Nvm

I'll fix that

[shrewd nymph]

no dont you dare touch sshadow

[vivid creek]

Ig ddive is still pretty strong

[shrewd nymph]

ddive ewww

[foggy sable]

and you can wraiths in the wk fight

fairly safely

[wintry plinth]

Did

Did the person who just posted a tierlist get banned or something???

[idle belfry]

@sick heath heads

[sick heath]

Nice

[shrewd nymph]

no hes gonna do some sshadow tomfoolery

or smt like that

[onyx wigeon]

No

Lune is just projecting

[shrewd nymph]

[vivid creek]

Lune is actually #1 sshadow lover

[onyx wigeon]

Nothing much changed

[shrewd nymph]

id rather die

oh terra

i did the pv thing last night

[wintry plinth]

[onyx wigeon]

there were just some crucial errors

[shrewd nymph]

i despise you

[vivid creek]

Oh, ggs!
It was r04 but spell-less & 1 nail dmg right?

[onyx wigeon]

and again

[shrewd nymph]

uh should be that

yeah thats it

[vivid creek]

grats :p

[onyx wigeon]

Shaman Stone was too high

mb

[shrewd nymph]

r-1noab

or smt like that

[zealous skiff]

crazy patience

[shrewd nymph]

not really

i had a food break inbetween

[vivid creek]

04r colllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllector

[shrewd nymph]

i had to edit the pause menu out

[onyx wigeon]

Ok it's the final version trust me

[zealous skiff]

how long did it tske?

[zealous skiff]

collectorlesslesslesslesslesslesslesslesslesslesslesslesslesslesslessless

[vivid creek]

oh true

[shrewd nymph]

about 30:20

[onyx wigeon]

yes heart over fury

[vivid creek]

Is it an odd or even number of less?

[onyx wigeon]

fight

[shrewd nymph]

it couldve been a little faster if i was used to no MoP and didnt stop after 2 hits on daggers

but faster than i thought it would be

[onyx wigeon]

Ok that was it

too many reasonable people here

time to bounce

[vivid creek]

hk-cord is usually pretty chill around this time
Idk why

[shrewd nymph]

it was a mess when game awards were on

[vivid creek]

oh?

[shrewd nymph]

so many people messaging in hkgen and skdisc

[onyx wigeon]

thank god I left main

[vivid creek]

ah, makes sense

[onyx wigeon]

[shrewd nymph]

ismoil was fighting for their life

[sick heath]

Not many online

[onyx wigeon]

not many idiots online

rn

[zealous skiff]

lowkey I was expecting an hour

but gg

[onyx wigeon]

good job person I never met

[shrewd nymph]

teano did it but itemless and was about 50m

[zealous skiff]

...

[shrewd nymph]

dunno how optimal he fought it but itemless is really conditioning

like in phase 3 you cannot get close bc tendrils

[vivid creek]

Nice btw

[zealous skiff]

ipv broken nail is crazy

doesn't diminish from your accomplishment though

[shrewd nymph]

ty ty

[foggy sable]

remade my boss teirlist (sorry in advance)

[shrewd nymph]

itemless pv isnt hard but doing 1 nail dmg on top is crazy from him

[foggy sable]

now you can live with my opinions

[shrewd nymph]

bv DOWN oblobbbles DOWN

[foggy sable]

no

I like bv cascade attack a lot

[shrewd nymph]

pv and vfk hate we arent friends anymore smh

[vivid creek]

Why tmg so high and nkg so low?

[foggy sable]

tmg is more interesting imo and looks better

the pacing is nicer

[vivid creek]

Fair, lol

[shrewd nymph]

if pv uppercut was changed id like it

too slow

[foggy sable]

I like that he sticks around between attacks so the fight doesn't drag on

[vivid creek]

ye

[onyx wigeon]

Marmu Should be higher

[foggy sable]

marmu isn't last

that should be good enough for you

[onyx wigeon]

Higher.

or else

[foggy sable]

no

[shrewd nymph]

fuck galien thats the one thing i agree on

3 consecutive r5s lost to the fucker are we srs

[onyx wigeon]

That's necro something

[vivid creek]

Marmu deserves bottom placement

[foggy sable]

I lost 2 charmless runs in a row to galien

it hurts

[sick heath]

No its a joke

[onyx wigeon]

Skull issue

Dream Warriors are either boring as hell or a slog

no inbetweens

[foggy sable]

anyway I hope to scare some newer people with that list

[onyx wigeon]

I'm new

[vivid creek]

many are both

[onyx wigeon]

that scares me

[foggy sable]

things happened to get to that list

[vivid creek]

Is that list 04r or something else?

[foggy sable]

general bosses I like/dislike

[vivid creek]

ah, kk

[foggy sable]

influenced a lot by ab and charmless mostly

this was my r04 experience

[vivid creek]

I agree with lune tho
Why are blobbles so high?

[foggy sable]

I just like the style of the phase 2

[gusty jolt]

What exactly is this about again

[shrewd nymph]

oblobbles are just annoying to me because they dont always go the same direction at the start

[foggy sable]

1.5/2 hours being under 1.5/2 hours

[shrewd nymph]

the fight is fun if both go left or right, but when both go away from me its annoying

[foggy sable]

radiant old nail white spells all bindings fights

how long it took to get a clear

[shrewd nymph]

first try r04 pv and you still dislike him smh

[gusty jolt]

You god damn lunatic

[foggy sable]

yes

on principle

[vivid creek]

What causes the spike in fc difficulty for r04?

[foggy sable]

it is basically nail only

and he has 600 hp per phase

[gusty jolt]

I forgot how calm this place is

[foggy sable]

at this time of day it is pretty chill here

[vivid cave]

The OBJECTIVE HK boss ranking

[foggy sable]

I like my list more sorry

[vivid creek]

Ah, fair
Is it like 1 wraiths after each stagger and mostly cylone outside of that?

[foggy sable]

pretty much

and it takes 120 hits of cyclone to deal 600 dmg

[sick heath]

Markoth in f

[vivid cave]

yes

[sick heath]

Not deserved

[foggy sable]

I'd rather do irab marmu than 04r failed champ again

[onyx wigeon]

Boss ranking

[vivid cave]

why zote so low

[gusty jolt]

Guess who made this tierlist

[onyx wigeon]

it's less than boring

[vivid cave]

No.

[onyx wigeon]

NKG is borderline boring cuz you just wait 90% of the time

[vivid cave]

peak

[onyx wigeon]

then hit him like once

then wait again

[sick heath]

You

[gusty jolt]

You can get more then 1 tho

[onyx wigeon]

two

it doesn't change that it's a waiting sim

[vivid cave]

why || watchers, markoth, enraged guardian higher than pv ||

[gusty jolt]

Do you have the patience of an ipad kid

[onyx wigeon]

No

I use tiktok

I'm not that barbaric

[vivid cave]

😭

[sick heath]

Even worse

[misty osprey]

Do you guys picture the knight’s nail as being cone shaped?

[gloomy vapor]

hollow knight

[onyx wigeon]

@shrewd nymph

[foggy sable]

pv just, isn't that interesting

[gusty jolt]

Now you admit you have the attention span of a goldfish

[foggy sable]

marmu is rated too high there

[shrewd nymph]

vfk in love, pv in love, tyrant in love

[vivid cave]

it is perfect

[shrewd nymph]

then its good

[foggy sable]

wrong one

[onyx wigeon]

No question on NKG being in the same tier as god tamer

[gusty jolt]

Laugh at this user

[onyx wigeon]

[foggy sable]

please, I have enough skill issues already

[shrewd nymph]

only reason pv is my favourite boss is because tyrant 2nd phase doesnt spawn above you

[onyx wigeon]

Nah pv is buns

[shrewd nymph]

but pv is pretty repetitive

[onyx wigeon]

Tyrant is just spamming dash

I like it cuz you press more than two buttons

[shrewd nymph]

tyrant spiral punishes

[vivid cave]

noway you dislike || pv, nkg, sob || and like || oblobbles ||

but ok ig

[onyx wigeon]

Oh

[foggy sable]

id what to tell you, it is all true and well reasoned

[shrewd nymph]

most top players dislike nkg and sob

and you dont need to spoiler here

[onyx wigeon]

Winged nosk is so forgettable it's I forgot to include them

[foggy sable]

oblobbles is fun I will die on this hill

[vivid cave]

alr

[shrewd nymph]

if they couldnt start the fight by both running from me

sure

[sick heath]

TRUE!!!

[foggy sable]

if they both run you just dodge the first attack then get them both on one side

[sick heath]

Radiant oblobblers is peak

[foggy sable]

yes

even 04r oblobbles were very fun

[onyx wigeon]

there fixed it

[shrewd nymph]

exactly like im spending the first 1 to 2 attacks just sitting in the middle dodging

i wanna attack

[foggy sable]

yo udon't have to wait you have soul from previous fights you can use at the start

[onyx wigeon]

not my fault the superbosses are boring

[shrewd nymph]

the only part i like is the nail hits inbetween though

[foggy sable]

well fair enough I guess

everyone can enjoy what they want (unless it is marmu)

[onyx wigeon]

I like marmu

[foggy sable]

no

[onyx wigeon]

shut up

[dense fjord]

This is my list personally :3

[foggy sable]

you think you do, actually you hate marmu so much it looked around

[onyx wigeon]

projection

[foggy sable]

somehow I don't think so

[onyx wigeon]

no

[dense fjord]

Also what do you like abt enraged guardian

[foggy sable]

I should do itemless galien

[onyx wigeon]

Laser

[dense fjord]

Why do you like enraged guardian so much more than crystal guardian

[onyx wigeon]

Laser

[dense fjord]

They both have lasers

One just does more damage

[onyx wigeon]

More lasers

[dense fjord]

Thats just incorrect

[onyx wigeon]

No

[dense fjord]

Yes?

[onyx wigeon]

No.

[dense fjord]

Ohh wait ur the guy that said sob was a bad fight

Yeah nvm opinion rejected

[foggy sable]

it is

[dense fjord]

Okay but greyfire

Youre an actual good person

[onyx wigeon]

I'm calling your parents

https://tenor.com/view/quattro-bajeena-gundam-zeta-gundam-mobile-suit-zeta-gundam-me-calling-youre-mom-gif-4750210922723584593

[foggy sable]

well not a bad fight per se but a one that gets boring after a bit

to be more fair to it

[dense fjord]

(Sorry im kididng qb ur a good person too)

[onyx wigeon]

it's just one boss copy pasted three times

very revolutionary