hk-discussion

[worn hamlet]

never heard the word before

[worthy peak]

In my experience

[warm hemlock]

PV does:
2 masks of damage
Crosses the screen in a fraction of a second
Has a combo that brings him across the screen
Has an attack that goes FULL SCREEN
Has another attack that either forced d dark or a precise jump
Has way too much health

[heavy barn]

difficulty revolves around excessive stats

[worn hamlet]

most everything in this game happens in a fraction of a second

[heavy barn]

like the design is fine but things come out too fast or do too much damage or the boss has too much hp or something

[knotty ravine]

if you know anything splatoon related i can also give you an example

[warm hemlock]

Examples being PV

[worn hamlet]

and also this feels like describing hornet 2 as well

[worthy peak]

Okay correction. I mostly used luck to get through radkoth

[worn hamlet]

and also sly

[warm hemlock]

Hornet 2 is far easier than PV

Sly

Ehhh

[worn hamlet]

nope ik what splatoon is but know nothing further than that

[wind garnet]

completely consistent boss btw

[knotty ravine]

ok ggs lol

[heavy barn]

void tendrils is like the least precise jump ever, again you're just tilted

[worn hamlet]

sly also has an attack that crosses the whole screen

he's just a bit slower than pv

[wind garnet]

overblowing the difficulty

[heavy barn]

you can literally jump it without double jump

[warm hemlock]

I’m not tilted I’m just right

[worn hamlet]

that's the only difference

[warm hemlock]

PV is awful

Vengefly king>>>PV

[worn hamlet]

I think ur tilted and need a break from pv

[worn hamlet]

and that cements it

[heavy barn]

this is literally textbook tilted behavior

[warm hemlock]

No it’s just true

[heavy barn]

you just need to take a break

[worn hamlet]

yup

[wispy willow]

Baldest take on HK main

[warm hemlock]

Vengefly king is literally better designed

[worn hamlet]

if you take anybody's advice on pv take suscat's

[wind garnet]

alright bro

[worthy peak]

Vengfly king sucks

[warm hemlock]

Vengefly king doesn’t just decide you die at random

[worn hamlet]

bruh do you not literally speedrun pv

[warm hemlock]

Vengefly king isn’t travelling at Mach 10 at all times

[worn hamlet]

I think u have the most experience with the boss out of all of us here

[heavy barn]

he holds the wr lol

[warm hemlock]

There’s an actual flow

[worn hamlet]

exactly

[worthy peak]

There's a reason that vengfly king is the first pantheons first boss

[quartz edge]

Hey Pros... question...
What in the world is hitting me?

[wispy willow]

PV is hit hit hit ddark hit hit hit ddark dash hit hit hit ddark repeat

[wind garnet]

ok but its not relevant here

[warm hemlock]

And what? He’s great

[worthy peak]

He's there cause he's not a good boss

[plush zodiac]

The wingsmold

[heavy barn]

it's just the flying guys

[warm hemlock]

He’s better than PV

[worthy peak]

A good large enemy

[wind garnet]

my first radpv clear

[quartz edge]

The tip of it's head has that large of a hitbox?

[worthy peak]

But not a good boss

[quartz edge]

I feel visually I'm getting hit by nothing.

[heavy barn]

that's like 90% of the bosses

[heavy barn]

i'm pretty sure the hitbox is a big square around it

[worn hamlet]

lmao

[heavy barn]

so in the corners it goes past the sprite

[quartz edge]

The frame before I take damage

[quartz edge]

Oh.

[wispy willow]

True but also very consistent on pv

[worthy peak]

?

[worn hamlet]

the things ur pogoing are hitting you

why else would you be able to pogo them

[quartz edge]

I'm asking why am I taking damage, when I'm not even visibly touching 'em

[warm hemlock]

The bosses you unlock in godhome get worse the further down the pantheon list

[worn hamlet]

bc enemies in this game have strange hitboxes

[warm hemlock]

Oro and Mato are great

Sheo is good

[worthy peak]

*harder

[worn hamlet]

and in every game tbh

[warm hemlock]

Sly is alright

PV is bad

[quartz edge]

Fair enough...
I'll just get better then

[vivid creek]

You might wanna never do p5 then

[warm hemlock]

Oh yeah you have the dictionary definition of overtuned absolute radiance

[wispy willow]

I would say more difficult not worse

Grimm is bad I get you but the rest is bald takes bro

[warm hemlock]

They get worse

[heavy barn]

well, winged nosk ig

is an example of worse

[warm hemlock]

It’s all true

[worthy peak]

What cause you can't dodge PV

[vivid creek]

HK doesn't have much that's overtuned
Modded absrads are overtuned, but on purpose

[warm hemlock]

Because PV is overtuned trash? Yes

[plush zodiac]

I died to that thing like twice trying to do p5

[warm hemlock]

No wonder his ahh was locked in that egg

[knotty ravine]

i think some of them are kinda overtuned but still good

like purity

i will always bring up purity

elite boss fight

[worn hamlet]

purity?

[warm hemlock]

Why would you willingly make abs rad harder

Are you insane?

Just take the win

[worthy peak]

Cause I don't hate dying a few times to a boss

[worn hamlet]

bc it's such a fun fight

[plush zodiac]

People that think the game is too easy

[vivid creek]

Because lots of people have played all the base game content and been left wanting more

[heavy barn]

so true

[wispy willow]

PoS @wind garnet opinions

[worn hamlet]

ppl wanna build on it

[warm hemlock]

Radiance already was an ahh fight

[worn hamlet]

and that ends up making it harder

[knotty ravine]

because things get too easy and you wanna have a new challenge, and that can also change the fight with modded stuff

[worn hamlet]

bro radiance was dumb, absrad redeemed radiance imo

[warm hemlock]

Absrad<<<<<<<Base rad

[knotty ravine]

rad is a reaaaally good base for a fight, so it makes sense theres a lot of rad mods

[warm hemlock]

Harder≠Better

[worthy peak]

Absrad is the best fight in the game

[worn hamlet]

yea ur a person I'll never understand

[worn hamlet]

obviously

[vivid creek]

I can no longer tell if this is PV-induced tilt or bait

[plush zodiac]

That looks like terraria ngl

[worthy peak]

Easier is also not equal to better

[heavy barn]

you literally haven't fought her

[knotty ravine]

https://youtu.be/cItEHcuWkTc

[worn hamlet]

you know what I can't rly compare absrad to regular radiance rn

[warm hemlock]

You’re stupid what😭

How

[worn hamlet]

bc I haven't fought regular radiance in like a year

[vivid creek]

ok it's bait

[wispy willow]

Good example is SoB

[warm hemlock]

It’s not bait

[worn hamlet]

I have like 0 recollection of what it's like ;-;

[warm hemlock]

I’m being genuine

[knotty ravine]

it isnt bait, it's just kinda inexperience and the incorrect mindset i feel

[worthy peak]

Cause they are fun and fair

[warm hemlock]

Mantis lords was fine enough I don’t need a third

It’s fine as is

[wispy willow]

Actually I fucked up the name I meant mantis lords

Mantis lords is a great fight and not a hard one

[knotty ravine]

anyways this is a great example of a good modded boss that expands on absrad and makes the fight better

[worn hamlet]

wait is this person doing this doing it ab ;-;

er no

they have qslash

but some of their masks are a different color

[main crow]

Pure Vessel was so hard to do but it felt so rewarding when I beat it and got 112% completion that’s why PV is one of my favorite hollow knight bosses

[worn hamlet]

4 to be exact, which is how many are taken away for shell binding

[knotty ravine]

thats me

???

[warm hemlock]

Who would willingly put themselves through this😭

[knotty ravine]

uhhh lemme see

[worn hamlet]

oh im dumb

they just lost 4 masks

nvmm

[wispy willow]

Also I agree that people say oh hollow knight is such an easy game and git gud and all the shit, but also you got to understand that you cant just say a boss is bad cause it's hard

[heavy barn]

it's really fun

[warm hemlock]

I can and will because it’s overtuned

[worn hamlet]

ngl that looks like a really cool boss

but 11 mins is wildly long

[knotty ravine]

yea i just took damage there

[heavy barn]

way more fun than any of the base game bosses

[warm hemlock]

Slamming your head into this radiance shaped brick wall is fun?

[worthy peak]

Someone who likes a challenge?

[heavy barn]

it's actually balanced really well

they took out all the bs

[knotty ravine]

me!!!! that shit is incredibly fun and a very good challenge

[warm hemlock]

It looks boring

[heavy barn]

there's no unfair unreadable damage and the attacks don't overlap in undodgeable ways

[knotty ravine]

???

[wispy willow]

You can and is objectively false subjectively you can say whatever you want

[heavy barn]

it's just like pure bullet hell with no caveats

[knotty ravine]

howwwwwwwwwwww

[worn hamlet]

hard doesn't equal boring....

[warm hemlock]

That’s a BAD THING

[vivid creek]

It looks pretty cool
I like the greatslash stalls for the one beam attack, lol

[knotty ravine]

[heavy barn]

nah it's only unfun when it feels unfair

this is genuinely the most fair fight out there

[main crow]

PV was kinda fun honestly it was a challenge but I like it because of how rewarding and satisfying it was to learn the attacks and finally beat p4

[warm hemlock]

Like with PV

[heavy barn]

imo

[worthy peak]

No it's not

[knotty ravine]

i would disagree

[worthy peak]

Bullet hells = fun

[knotty ravine]

you would hate bullet hells lol

[warm hemlock]

Bullet hells=Lazy

[worn hamlet]

bro has got to be baiting

there's just no way

[warm hemlock]

I’m not😭

[heavy barn]

this is an example of a not lazily designed bullet hell

[knotty ravine]

i enjoy bullet hells personally. i think purity gets real close to a true bullet hell and it feels fucking great

[heavy barn]

lazy bullet hells are boring

[wispy willow]

It's really a pk moment rn

[main crow]

Yeah as long as it’s not a spammy rng boss (looking at oblobbles) then bullet hell bosses can be fun

[worthy peak]

Difference between full screen with bullets and create a cool pattern to dodge with well placed bullets

[plush zodiac]

Er what about terraria calamity bosses

[warm hemlock]

Haven’t played calamity but it’s looks eh

Half the time I have no idea what’s happening

And base game terraria is good enough

[wispy willow]

Wait until this guy discovers any orbsolute radiance

[knotty ravine]

then bullet hells just arent for you, i imagine

[vivid creek]

I mean, maybe
But if that's the case why not chill with another game for a bit and come back later with a fresh mindset
Why drag this out so long

[potent monolith]

when I first started playing I used to quickly dip into a room & return if I don't plan to explore it, so next time I can have a map of the room ready

[knotty ravine]

but yeah purity is fucking amazing

[worn hamlet]

oblobbles rly do suck -_-

[knotty ravine]

it's the best modded boss. also just the best boss in hk in general

[potent monolith]

great for exploration, nightmare for hunting the last things you miss

[warm hemlock]

Is that another mod where they just fill the screen with projectiles

[worthy peak]

Unwilling to stop defending themselves?

I know the feeling

[main crow]

I hate oblobbles in godhome with a burning passion

[wispy willow]

It's a meme boss

[warm hemlock]

How so

[plush zodiac]

I think its radiance but just orbs

[wispy willow]

It's a boss that was made for the lolz

[worthy peak]

They do just fill it with projectiles pretty.much

[warm hemlock]

Just the 2 orbs?

[knotty ravine]

i will always defend purity though

[wispy willow]

All

[knotty ravine]

that shit is so good

[warm hemlock]

So every spear is now an orb?

[subtle glacier]

mathy

[vivid creek]

Fair enough ig
I do that sometimes

But more & more often it becomes pretty clear that it's just a waste of time & energy and you still end up feeling like crap afterward regardless of the outcome

[subtle glacier]

bingy

[main crow]

I don’t think I’ve even gotten oblobbles on ascended because of the rng screwing me over and the double damage makes oblobbles more annoying than before

[worthy peak]

It's difficult to overcome the feeling though

[warm hemlock]

Speaking of rng, radiant hornet 2

[main crow]

I’m terrified that I’ll have to do rad oblobbles some time

[worthy peak]

Very little there

[worn hamlet]

indeed

in what place during hornet 2 do u encounter rng other than choice of attack ._.

[main crow]

The most rng there is probably the sting shard attack

[warm hemlock]

That’s the point

She is random

You can’t expect any moves

[wispy willow]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz0aIGL5mzA

[worn hamlet]

yeah so is every other boss in the game

[worthy peak]

I think they just hate some attacks of hornet two. Which might explain the PV hate

[worn hamlet]

same goes for literally every other boss in the entire game

[worn hamlet]

true

[wispy willow]

Hop on

[vivid creek]

Cog's favourite boss is markoth and he's complaining about hornet sentinal rng

[worthy peak]

Markoth is more random though

And radiant markoth was fine

Like he has so many spawn positions

[warm hemlock]

Radiant markoth isn’t random

[worthy peak]

When does his shield turn

What direction does he fly in

[warm hemlock]

Just keep track of it and its randomness is negated

[worthy peak]

When does he stop

[warm hemlock]

Just

Follow him?

[worthy peak]

Where does he stop

[warm hemlock]

[vivid creek]

Apply this to PV and hornet, lol

[worthy peak]

Same for hornet 2

[warm hemlock]

Not the same whatsoever

Markoth is slow

He gives you time to react to what’s happening

[onyx wigeon]

Hi

[warm hemlock]

PV and hornet 2 don’t

[wispy willow]

Weakest rage baiter

[worthy peak]

So it's not about rng then is it

It's about reaction time

And your apparent lack

[warm hemlock]

It is still about rng

Rng is fine when you get to react to it

[wispy willow]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz0aIGL5mzA btw this is The 33rd Guys attempt on first phase of any orbsolute

[pseudo bridge]

"what am I gonna fight the sun"

[main crow]

PV was honestly hard and rewarding to learn the attacks but it was so satisfying to beat him in p4, the challenge was the fun part of PV

[pseudo bridge]

Hi

[warm hemlock]

Okay you’d have to be an idiot to willingly try this

[vivid creek]

Now this, this is overtuned
Reg absrad is not

[worn hamlet]

;-;

[warm hemlock]

Both are

[worthy peak]

Clearly it's the reaction time. They all have rng. I'd say markoth has more. The difference between them is reaction time given

[warm hemlock]

It’s not reaction time

[worthy peak]

That's the difference between them

[warm hemlock]

Not my fault that they overtuned the fun out of PV

[worthy peak]

Though

[main crow]

It wouldn’t be fun if PV moved so slow that it wasn’t even a challenge

[warm hemlock]

There’s more

Markoth doesn’t charge at you from across the screen

[worthy peak]

Well it's not rng that's for certain

[worthy peak]

He literally does

[warm hemlock]

It is

[worthy peak]

The difference is time to react

[warm hemlock]

If so then I’ve never seen him do so

He just slowly floats around

[worthy peak]

He just does it slowly

[wispy willow]

well im the biggest idiot there is, but this is not a fun or fair boss its a meme boss

[worthy peak]

Giving more reaction time

Which is why it's reaction time and not rng

[warm hemlock]

It’s not the speed that matters here it’s the presence of the option to just dash across the screen rather than one sustained chase

[wispy willow]

i beat al phases separatley except first phase

[worthy peak]

The difference being speed and therefore time to react

[alpine ibex]

When you mess up on PV, its usually your fault

Markoth more RNG induced, a lot more

[warm hemlock]

Markoth isn’t rng

[worthy peak]

The difference between sustained chase and dash is literally the speed

[alpine ibex]

Like 'oops nail spawned where you were falling/Dashing'

[warm hemlock]

PV is

[warm hemlock]

It’s the nature of the attack

Soul master slowly dashes at you

[worthy peak]

The nature being one is slow and one is fast

[worn hamlet]

got to phase 2 of a boss

finally

[warm hemlock]

Uhhh which one

[worn hamlet]

silksong one

[warm hemlock]

Oh

[quartz edge]

Sigh.
Dad's be like...

[main crow]

What do you expect out of a boss at the end of a pantheon? Do you expect them to just stand there and take it? Do you expect them to slowly walk toward you and let you kill them? PV is doable and easy to read if you just learn how to fight PV, there’s a reason why the bosses at the end of the pantheons appear in the hall of gods before you beat them, to learn how to fight them. PV is supposed to be a challenge, and you can train in hall of gods, then you realize it’s NOT overtuned

[silent badger]

@molten quiver

[main crow]

Holy mouthful

[molten quiver]

wherre

[alpine ibex]

PV is fair, aside from when he fucking teleports right on top of you to do his focus attack.

[worthy peak]

Like your literally claiming that markothsnis slow therefore it's less rng when that literally correlates to reaction time not rng

[heavy barn]

the more you complain about pv instead of taking a break and trying again witha a clear head the worse of a time you'll have

[warm hemlock]

It is overtuned and that is a fact

[heavy barn]

hearing people call pv a totally fair boss won't do you any favors

[alpine ibex]

That legit happened TWICE to me today, zero way to dodge

[quartz edge]

Okie, now I have the full Kingsoul

[heavy barn]

you're just feeding into your own bad experience

[molten quiver]

does anyone else here happen to play hollow knight

[heavy barn]

literally just take a break

[vivid creek]

🍿

[warm hemlock]

Uh no

[molten quiver]

aw

[worn hamlet]

🍿

[heavy barn]

never heard of that game

[silent badger]

dam

yeah idk man it seems ok

[wispy willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2oxkQTq4k0

[silent badger]

i haven't played it though

[subtle hull]

at this point what are we even doing anymore

[worthy peak]

Clearly shown in the title

[warm hemlock]

Once again

Why would you ever do this

You get nothing😭

[tacit spear]

Masochism ^_^

[subtle hull]

cheers mate

[tacit spear]

Enjoyment ^_^

[warm hemlock]

Exactly that’s a stupid reason😭

[worthy peak]

Some people get a sense of achievement from difficult tasks

[tacit spear]

And it's fun to talk to similar people ^_^

[quartz edge]

I mean... I get why Kingsoul has to go...
Because Salubra's blessing exist... but...
meh...

[warm hemlock]

There’s difficult and then there’s whatever that is

[subtle glacier]

it’s not masochism if you would feel pain doing it, it’s only masochism if they do and they like it
most modded absrad players either don’t feel pain or don’t enjoy it

[main crow]

Path of Pain:

[worthy peak]

Well it was done

So

[subtle hull]

modded absrad players arent really capable of feeling human emotion

[main crow]

You barely get a reward for path of pain but you get a sense of achievement for completing it

[warm hemlock]

Path of pain wasn’t that bad

[subtle hull]

their range of emotion is more akin to a bearded dragon

[subtle glacier]

sure they are, they fucking hate anyrad

[warm hemlock]

Wait no you do get something

[worthy peak]

Hence the use of the word barely

[vivid creek]

Difficulty is entirely relative
If a task does not result in a favourable effort:payoff for any individual, then skip it and invest your energy elsewhere

[warm hemlock]

TWO SECOND CUTSCENE🗣️ 🔥

[main crow]

You get like a journal entry and 2 second cutscene but that’s it

[subtle glacier]

its a lot longer than 2 seconds

[brittle flame]

i hate hall of gods

[vivid creek]

Plus it's the journey not the distination
PoP is geniunely fun imo

[brittle flame]

i thought pure vessel and NKG would be the problems and somehow it’s markoth and watcher knights

[subtle glacier]

it’s simple enough that it might as well be 2s but it’s like 10-15

[warm hemlock]

I want to 112% HK before I play silksong

[quartz edge]

Now what.
it me!

Another Nosk?

[runic shuttle]

no

||you get voidheart||

[subtle glacier]

another nosk 😭
as if

[brittle flame]

yes

that’s winged nosk

important later

[quartz edge]

Oh.

[heavy barn]

it's 3 seconds

true

[worthy peak]

Well better get over PV hate and look at solutions instead of claiming you can't

[subtle glacier]

it’s like a hefty chunk of the pop il

[worthy peak]

Sure you'll get there eventually

[brittle flame]

pure vessel ain’t too bad

[vivid creek]

Well then, instead of whining about PV take a break, do something to clear your head

Then buckle down and practice PV in hall of gods so you can finish p4

[quartz edge]

Where did White Lady and Pale King get all the cloaks and shells from?

[heavy barn]

under there

[brittle flame]

usually i beat something in hall of gods on ascended before i go back to its pantheon

[warm hemlock]

Doesn’t stop PV from being the worse boss in the game

[worthy peak]

Maybe it will once you learn it

[brittle flame]

markoth in the corner

[warm hemlock]

PV competing with chapter 9 of Celeste for most disgustingly overtuned parts of good games

[warm hemlock]

Markoth is peak

[worthy peak]

Farewell is fun

[brittle flame]

PV is miserable and becomes fun when you get the pattern

[worn hamlet]

here we go again...

[warm hemlock]

Farewell is pointless

[brittle flame]

ah ragebait

[worthy peak]

It's incredibly fair

[vivid creek]

And you're totally entitled to think that
But stop whinging about it to everyone here and go beat PV's ass so you never need to think about it again

[brittle flame]

my fault

[heavy barn]

just clear your head and try again

[brittle flame]

u get that

[warm hemlock]

Madeline is stupid

[worthy peak]

Also has emotional story

[worn hamlet]

EXCUSE ME?

WHAT

[heavy barn]

if you keep thinking a boss is the worst boss you're just going to hate them more than you should

this applies to every single boss

[warm hemlock]

IT IS JUST A BIRD

[worn hamlet]

I can understand calling pv annoying because of how hard it is

[warm hemlock]

THATS IT

[heavy barn]

this is why so many people hate markoth

[brittle flame]

i meannn

[warm hemlock]

A BIRD

[brittle flame]

markoth is just factually the worst

[worn hamlet]

I can tolerate hating markoth but not pv

[worthy peak]

You misunderstood celeste

[worn hamlet]

BUT FAREWELL IS POINTLESS?

[heavy barn]

no not really

[brittle flame]

pure vessel is a fun boss with a heavy learning curve

[worn hamlet]

wtf im hopping off

[heavy barn]

you can argue many other bosses are worse

[warm hemlock]

I haven’t badeline is right in chapter 9

Just go home

[brittle flame]

who are the arguments

[heavy barn]

like the worst designed is pretty objectively marmu

[warm hemlock]

This bird isn’t worth following

[brittle flame]

I despise marmu but he can be slaughtered by shriek

[heavy barn]

and?

[worthy peak]

But it's about Madelines emotions. Emotions aren't logical. As you yourself are proving

[heavy barn]

difficult doesn't mean badly designed

[worn hamlet]

what the actual fudge

[quartz edge]

BROTHAAAAAAAAAAA

[brittle flame]

terribly designed but at least he’s easy to kill

[main crow]

Does anyone else even remember the ||journal entry for path of pain||? I think the cutscene is the thing most people mention about ||PoP|| when you beat it but I haven’t seen people bring this up

[heavy barn]

sure she could be easy but she's still the worst designed

[vivid creek]

Don't even invest the energy for a response, lol
It's 1000% just bait at this point

[worthy peak]

Madetwas dealing with grief

[warm hemlock]

Madeline is just stupid then😭

[subtle glacier]

in all fairness most things can be slaughtered by shriek

[quartz edge]

So how did the Knight escape the abyss to go on his journey outside of HK to then be called back by the HK?

[worn hamlet]

fair enough ig

[brittle flame]

marmu is a she?

[heavy barn]

yeah

[worn hamlet]

it's just that's going crazy far even for bait

[worthy peak]

A close friend had died

[naive sonnet]

yes marmu is pathetically easy but she is very very poorly designed

[brittle flame]

damn i been beating a woman against the wall this whole time

[warm hemlock]

You could just maybe then not remind yourself of the thing you lost and GO HOME

[worthy peak]

And she was dreaming. And didn't want to let go

[quartz edge]

Did you win?

[brittle flame]

either way at least it’s a few annoying deaths followed by being forgotten in the hall of gods

[warm hemlock]

There is more to do than mope in a dream world

[brittle flame]

markoth is a shit ton of annoying deaths followed by ptsd

[worthy peak]

About finding peace

Maybe not the best decisions

But that's NOT the POINT

[warm hemlock]

Well WE can both find peace if Madeline just GOES HOME

She gets to relax

I get to not to do the pointlessly hard platforming

A win win

[quartz edge]

Voidheart should let you pass through shade gates without shade cloak. Js

[worthy peak]

I don't think Madeline could

[brittle flame]

some qol from voidheart would be cool

[worthy peak]

You could not do the *fun platforming anyway

[normal kelp]

hm

[warm hemlock]

Oh why

Why can’t we just go home instead of following some random bird

[worthy peak]

Cause Madeline was a mentally unstable wreck embarrassed she missed a funeral and dealing with grief to the point she thought a bird was part of granny

And she still deserves peace

[warm hemlock]

Life goes on

No point staying in some stupid dream chasing some bird that means nothing

[worthy peak]

Yes there is. Cause see above

[quartz edge]

...

I'm so pissing mad rn...

[worthy peak]

I mean after farewell she litetrecovers significantly

[quartz edge]

Can I not access PoP after I get kingsoul?

[worthy peak]

You can

[warm hemlock]

No there is no point

[quartz edge]

How do I get past this?

nvm...
Wrong place lol

[worthy peak]

You are going the wrong way

[quartz edge]

heh heh...
silly 😭

[worthy peak]

Farewell literally leads to her recovery

[warm hemlock]

Time would as well

[worthy peak]

Maybe pay attention to the fact that game characters don't have to be perfect

[worthy peak]

It would also further distance her from theo

Which was a main problem

[twin atlas]

I beat path of pain

[warm hemlock]

Everyone needs time alone

[worthy peak]

Causing a knock on effect

[vivid creek]

gg!

[twin atlas]

it was so easy I don't understand why people say its hard

[worthy peak]

She wanted to talk to Theo but was too scared to

[knotty ravine]

distancing herself would not have been the solution, and yeah she was dealing with a lot of grief

[main crow]

Why is there Celeste in the hk discussion channel I like Celeste but it’s kinda off topic

[knotty ravine]

channel can go off topic

its fine

[worthy peak]

Innocent cog said farewell was pointless

[warm hemlock]

Because farewell is a pointless chapter tagged on to add a needlessly hard level

[worthy peak]

*fun

[main crow]

Fair

[worthy peak]

With good story

[warm hemlock]

If you find this fun you are insane

[spiral vault]

I HATE extra content

[worthy peak]

Remember the difficulty is relative

[knotty ravine]

farewell isreally good though

[twin atlas]

I LOVE extra content

[worthy peak]

Maybe I just like more challenge

[warm hemlock]

With the story being how we can ignore badelines reasonable advice for the whole chapter

[worthy peak]

Your ignoring emotions

[main crow]

Same there’s stuff like Godmaster in HK that’s some good extra content right there

[worthy peak]

Again

[twin atlas]

I hate the extra content you love

specifically the ones you love

only the ones you love

[main crow]

Why 🙁

[twin atlas]

because you're old

[spiral vault]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-gif-26282297

[main crow]

Why does the emoticon turn into an emoji

[warm hemlock]

I’m simply laying out the truth here

[twin atlas]

you're

[winter ether]

I don’t get this type of meme

[twin atlas]

you're = you are
your = possessive term

[winter ether]

explain

[twin atlas]

example
"YOUR tv looks great"
and
"YOU'RE doing good lad"

[spiral vault]

Ok last one

[winter ether]

explain the meme vro

[spiral vault]

It's up to personal interpretation

It's really a bit of a masterpiece

You explain the meme

[winter ether]

I can’t because I don’t know what it means

[spiral vault]

Resisting the urge to send it again resisting the urge to send it again

[wispy willow]

https://tenor.com/view/lobotomy-gif-17167871613916111579

[junior spindle]

I BEAT NKG

[wispy willow]

GGs!!

r u playing on controler?

[junior spindle]

yea on switch

[wispy willow]

insane

[junior spindle]

controller is easy

wdym

anyways i have 2% left and its the mask shards

[wispy willow]

i cant ever imagine beating hk on controller

[junior spindle]

its so much easier

[brazen violet]

Vou soltar a bomba todo jogador de hollow knight e masoquista inclusive eu.

[junior spindle]

idk spanish bro

[wispy willow]

how much masks do you have

[junior spindle]

8

[wispy willow]

portuguese

[junior spindle]

oh mb

[unique fulcrum]

whats the best charm combo for pv?

[brazen violet]

No speak english bro

[wispy willow]

oh so you get 1% for the completed mask and idk the other one

[junior spindle]

unbreakable strength and heart quick slash and quick focus

[wispy willow]

I only know one thing in portuguese and its kinda racist

[unique fulcrum]

ok

[junior spindle]

lol

[wispy willow]

https://tenor.com/view/tik-tok-meme-waiting-wait-time-gif-16450082290173148616

[brazen violet]

Absolute holow knight.

[marsh torrent]

i have double jump, mantis, dash and dream nail, can i get any shade abilities

[wispy willow]

yes

you can get at least one

[marsh torrent]

shade soul i suppose?

[wispy willow]

ddark actually

[vivid creek]

ddark

Ye

[marsh torrent]

can i get ss

[wispy willow]

you need to buy the kwy from sly

[marsh torrent]

fuck it needs an elegant key

[wispy willow]

yeah

[marsh torrent]

how do i get my shade from the watcher knight room without locking myself

[wispy willow]

in soul sanctum you can ss

[marsh torrent]

well i could just save and quit

[wispy willow]

yeah or go to jiji

[vivid creek]

That, or jiji

Damn, I'm too slow

[marsh torrent]

i know who jiji is but idk where or how or when to get her

[wispy willow]

in dirtmouth

past the well

[vivid creek]

Right of dirtmouth, you need a simple key

[wispy willow]

like way past the well

[vivid creek]

And a rancid egg to give her

[marsh torrent]

what if you wanted to progress in the game
but team cherry said "A simple keyhole."

[wispy willow]

a simple keyhole shaped like a banana

[marsh torrent]

nanner

well time to farm ge-oh

the wiki just straight up says she scams them 😭

[wispy willow]

the banker yea

[marsh torrent]

i know

[wispy willow]

peak game design

[median marten]

do it a kings station

[marsh torrent]

but it sounds so out of pocket 😭

[wispy willow]

i was so mad the first time

[marsh torrent]

the big guys take like 2 minutes to kill each

[median marten]

Nuh uh

theres a route

Its super fast

[marsh torrent]

i have 6 masks

they kill me in 3 hits

[median marten]

Oh...

[wispy willow]

my geo spot was kindoms edge

[median marten]

What spells do you have

[wispy willow]

all white i assume ?

do you have wraiths?

[marsh torrent]

vs, ddive

does focus count

[median marten]

no

[marsh torrent]

lol

[median marten]

Alr

yeah ok you might need a bit more experience befoew doing that one

[wispy willow]

i see, i recommend maybe using #hk-help if you dont want to get spoiled if you dont mind here is fine

[marsh torrent]

doing what exactly

[median marten]

it is rly fast tho

[earnest apex]

Mathy

[marsh torrent]

i've already spoiled half the game for myself

[median marten]

That geo route

[marsh torrent]

show me

[median marten]

Show you the geo route?

[wispy willow]

Heya

[marsh torrent]

yea

[earnest apex]

:D

[median marten]

Alr

[warm wagon]

Lowkey I just didn't want to have a ton of geo on me when I die so I didn't mind that much

[marsh torrent]

we gatekeeping geo routes 💔

[median marten]

https://youtu.be/H4iVatJ_iWM?si=Ba1G5pNHNsGFEl0c

i have it saved to help ppl

Lol

[solar ocean]

guys

[marsh torrent]

only 8 geo per second, L route

[solar ocean]

after 121 and 59 minutes

look what is reached

[wispy willow]

ggs

[spice patio]

nice

[median marten]

gg

[solar ocean]

thanks guys

[earnest apex]

The most difficult achievement in my opinion

Wait a second

I was talking about the Steel Heart achievement

[junior spindle]

yall does p5 count as 1%

[ripe wadi]

no

[marsh torrent]

woh my shade is rich

i thought it was like 600 tops

[fallow grotto]

yes

you can have

99999

😳

[north charm]

everything up to p5

counts

[marsh torrent]

how to earn money in hollow knight:

1. find it on a wall
2. kill and mug random people on the street

[fallow grotto]

no

only 1-4

[fallow grotto]

3. Relic.

[north charm]

4. colosseum

[marsh torrent]

3. steal timeless relics of the kingdom and sell them to a dude

[junior spindle]

i got 8 masks and i need 2 more shards but thats only 1% i think

[fallow grotto]

yes

that’s it

[junior spindle]

THAN WHATS THE OTHER 1%

[north charm]

FUCKING RAD ORBS SPAWN ON ME AGH

[fallow grotto]

maybe a charm

all charms are 1%

full masks are a % too

you also have to either banish grimm or beat nkg

[north charm]

bruh you can skip the entire nkg fight

i never knew that

well that makes the game a bit less fun..

[fallow grotto]

is that your final %?

though if you skip it and you gave your fragile charm(s) to the woman

it’s lost forever when you banish

she only stays if you complete the ritual

[ionic tiger]

hi.

[fallow grotto]

so if you don’t have unbreakable charms and want to get them do that before banishing

[north charm]

no i have 112 already

[fallow grotto]

then why are you asking about %

😔

wait

WRONG GUY SHIT!

😱

my brains a little non functional today…

[steel sundial]

uh

guys

can someone that did sk help me on sk help channel

i really need help, im ultra scared

[fallow grotto]

no lol!

[steel sundial]

fuck u then!

[fallow grotto]

😱

spoils silksong

[steel sundial]

dc spoils it

[fallow grotto]

not if your in #sk-help 😳

[steel sundial]

i just need help

[north charm]

WHY DOES RADIANCE'S ORBS SPAWN ON ME

how tf do you rad absrad

[fallow grotto]

whichever one you want

that’s your answer

[steel sundial]

@north charm can u actually help me out?

[fallow grotto]

🤔

they dont 😂

they sometimes blend in with the background

[north charm]

well they predict where im gonna go

mid dash

i dont like it

[steel sundial]

@north charm

[north charm]

how do you want me to help

[steel sundial]

have u played silksong?

[earnest apex]

yes?

[north charm]

yes

[steel sundial]

aand fineshed it smh

[cunning pine]

yea

[fallow grotto]

leave my goat alone!

[north charm]

no

[fallow grotto]

i have 100% on silksong

and every achievement

😁

[steel sundial]

im rlly scred with whats heappening

[fallow grotto]

i must say

that’s okay

😁

[cunning pine]

bro how do kill sister splinter😭

[steel sundial]

im hearing something crying in a room

what should i do?

[fallow grotto]

#sk-discussion

out

delete

get out my #hk-discussion

?tag ontopic

[idle belfry]

keep sequel topics to the sequel channels #sk-help #sk-lore #sk-discussion

[fallow grotto]

read that buddy.

[distant lagoon]

i killed Revek in resting grounds >:D

[fallow grotto]

😱

guys quick!1!1!

we need to talk about the best charm

[marsh torrent]

hey guys silksong spoiler:
||adino||

[fallow grotto]

it’s obviously steady body

[fallow grotto]

HOLY SHIT HE SPOILED SILKSONG!

😱

[north charm]

i had the best fucking shriek spam platform phase absrad and i got too greedy and the swords killed me agh

i dont like this game

i had like 7 shrieks on her

[fallow grotto]

😂

mere 7 shrieks

i had 6

[north charm]

does desolate dive also have iframes

[marsh torrent]

alrighty got a teeny tiny bit of geoh

[north charm]

what for?

[fallow grotto]

idk

yeah

[cunning pine]

yall who would win 10 gpz or 1 primal aspid

[marsh torrent]

idek

[fallow grotto]

gpz

easy

no it’s you!

you spoiled silksong…

[cunning pine]

heheha

[marsh torrent]

ima spoil more

[fallow grotto]

?ban

[north charm]

nooo dont

[marsh torrent]

||garama||

[fallow grotto]

you should delete the message you sent to spoil silksong 😳

because it is very bad

and an unsuspecting player will get very badly spoiled

and cry

this is supposed to be a safe place

[cunning pine]

[fallow grotto]

shaw.

SHAW.

[marsh torrent]

silksong spoiler with no spoiler tag:
hornet is the main character of Hollow Knight: Silksong

[fallow grotto]

SHAW!

[cunning pine]

[fallow grotto]

Silksong spoiler no spoiler tag:

Silksong is the sequel.

[cunning pine]

bro ik

[fallow grotto]

your making me angry.

[marsh torrent]

silksong spoiler no spoiler:

[fallow grotto]

you won’t like it when im angry.

[marsh torrent]

okay time to go to sly

[cunning pine]

[fallow grotto]

when i unleash my auraful anger.

[cunning pine]

[fallow grotto]

😱

cope.

[cunning pine]

[fallow grotto]

🔬

cope

[cunning pine]

bro what even is this discussion even abt anymore

[fallow grotto]

ok guys

let’s discuss how sharp shadow sucks!

[cunning pine]

eeeh its mid

[violet comet]

wait how does this happen

so like

the radiance

actually has one eye

huh

?

[marsh torrent]

okay im done shopping

[cunning pine]

wut did you buy

[marsh torrent]

elegeant key, mask shard, gathering swarm, a bunch of pins and markers from iselda

[cunning pine]

bro geo is now useless for me

bro who would win pure vessel or gms

[spiral vault]

https://tenor.com/view/money-money-money-money-rain-money-please-gif-17552380

[marsh torrent]

actual silksong spoiler? in my joke silksong spoiler channel?

[warm wagon]

I'm never beating p4 I can't beat lost kin without defenders crest

[spiral vault]

No silksong guys!!!

Only when I do it

[cunning pine]

[marsh torrent]

ya know, where the hell is zote

where did he go

[fallow grotto]

he’s in deepnest

[spiral vault]

Where did you last see him

[sand wharf]

doing litterally everything other then beating the game because i need to go to deepnest

[fast birch]

erm so guys i gave fragile heart to the gross grimm troupe girl and then i did the quest to banish them... am i just softlocked out of fragile heart now?

[sand wharf]

what the fuck are you doing getting fragile heart

strenght litterally way better

150% damage???

[cunning pine]

[fast birch]

i alr had strength and its for 112%

[sand wharf]

oh

[marsh torrent]

found a simple key
should i unlock jiji or some spa near kings station

[cunning pine]

spa

[fallow grotto]

neither

keep it for pantheon 29

you need it for 29

[marsh torrent]

real

[sand wharf]

just no

[marsh torrent]

i already have watrways btw

[cunning pine]

not real

[fallow grotto]

I was disappointed when I found out jijis mechanic in my first playthrough.

[sand wharf]

who is your goat sly or elder bug

im asking the real questions around here 🔥

[wind garnet]

on what

[subtle hull]

sly charged me more than twice the amount of money for a glorified flashlight than an actual forge-master charged me to carve a channel into my sword and reinforce it with mythical steel

i hate that mf

[wind garnet]

difficulty? not hard its lowkey just pale shadow but with some nuances

[ashen ginkgo]

suscat when are you hopping on rhythm games

[sand wharf]

does bro not know how easy it is to get geo?

[wind garnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvCYvpipRAA samw thing

[north charm]

you'll hatea him more.

[subtle hull]

that is not the point at all

[ashen ginkgo]

Have you considered that you might have a better chance finding a partner if you weren’t fighting pure vessel every day

[wind garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[north charm]

then what is the point

[subtle hull]

???

the price he's charging compared to the service provided

[sand wharf]

that nail upgrade is cool and all but sly was the nail master gives you an entire mask an entire extra soul vessel and 2 underrated charms (gathering swarm and sprintmaster)

[violet comet]

void is just oil trust

[north charm]

and lantern

which is broken

[sand wharf]

and the 3 nail arts are pretty good

[sand wharf]

90% sure its needed for progression i got it early on and idk if you can just see normally or if im using it

[ashen ginkgo]

not a rhythm game tbh

Go play beatblock

[sand wharf]

america x hallownest

[fallow grotto]

@wind garnet when are you doing anyrad3.0 everyday until you get a bf/gf

[wind garnet]

i kinda agree with benji tho

[violet comet]

acutally the fact that hallownest isnt burning up knda disproves that

[wind garnet]

[sand wharf]

its a joke and ive always envisioned hallownest as this cold kingdom

also i spent way too long looking for white lady in kingdoms edge 😭

[spiral vault]

Hallownest will become a state in the U.S replacing Tennessee

[carmine lava]

when are you beating killbot

[wind garnet]

bro

[wispy willow]

PoS

[wind garnet]

yeah like prince of shadows?

[wispy willow]

piece of shit

yeah

[wind garnet]

whoa

[wind garnet]

#hk-discussion message

[wispy willow]

i see

[wind garnet]

it took me less than an hour to radiant

it may seem crazy but its super simple if you know what to do

and the hardest pale shadow attack diags gets nerfed its much easier in pos idk why

[knotty ravine]

Neither of these are underrated

[wispy willow]

sprintmaster is kinda underrated

[fallow grotto]

ngl furry of the risen is underrated

same with steady body and strength

[marsh torrent]

how the fuck do you even heal on soul warrior, there is literally no window to do that

[knotty ravine]

if anything it is quite overrated

[wispy willow]

strength is nor underated

[fallow grotto]

you dont get hit 😳

😂

[spiral vault]

Soul warrior

My dawg

[marsh torrent]

what the fuck

[tacit spear]

There's a lot?

[marsh torrent]

this is literally impossible

[marsh torrent]

he never stops attacking (at least i cant live long enough to see him do that), + the follies

[tacit spear]

I've gotten his projectiles to miss me before and heal ^_^

[wide jolt]

Pogo him

[tacit spear]

Quick focus makes it way easier ^_^

[wide jolt]

That’s my solution to every boss

[tacit spear]

But you can without ^_^

[fallow grotto]

my solution to every boss

propose to them.

then they won’t know what to do

[earnest apex]

^-^

[wide jolt]

I should try that on abs rad (if I ever get to her)

[spiral vault]

Why you in the air so much?

[sand wharf]

warrior? or master? for warrior i just spam hit it until it dies while dashing away, you really cant heal unless maybe you do something with shape of unn?

[marsh torrent]

thats how i play
silksong habit prob

[marsh torrent]

warrior

i beat soul master like 4 months ago

[spiral vault]

Warrior should play aggressive for

[sand wharf]

warriors the little guy right

[marsh torrent]

the one that you get ss from

[sand wharf]

ss?

[marsh torrent]

shade soul

[spiral vault]

Silksong

[sand wharf]

upgrade to vengeful?

[marsh torrent]

silk soul

[marsh torrent]

yes

what else could shade soul mean

[sand wharf]

let me get this straight you arent talking about the one that gives desolate

[marsh torrent]

YES

[spiral vault]

Buddy

[sand wharf]

idk

[spiral vault]

Soul warrior

The warrior of soul

[wary hound]

hi

[tacit spear]

Hi icclemonade ^_^

[sand wharf]

hear me out guys sprintmaster is good

only 1 notch

[tacit spear]

Hi sun fall ^_^

[spiral vault]

Hiiiiiiii

[wary hound]

wat u all up to

[knotty ravine]

yea no

sprintmaster

[tacit spear]

Ice and snow...

[knotty ravine]

is not good

[wary hound]

it is for pop trust so is dash master

[tacit spear]

It's good not very good

Not excellent

Just ok

[sand wharf]

its not like good good like shaman or quick focus but its a nice charm to have for movement

[marsh torrent]

so what do i do for the SHADE SOUL (VENGEFUL SPIRIT UPGRADE) SOUL WARRIOR (W A R R I O R NOT MASTER) IN SOUL SANCTUM WITH THE FOLLIES (BECAUSE HES THE SHADE SOUL UPGRADE), how do i beat him

[knotty ravine]

sprintmaster and dashmaster are VERY different charms. one of them is op as fuck and the other is sprintmaster

[tacit spear]

Kill his guys while attacking him ^_^

[wary hound]

how dare u slander my pookie SPRINT MASTER

[marsh torrent]

no shit sherlock i need actual advice

[tacit spear]

If you have troublevuse spells to kill multiple at once ^_^

[knotty ravine]

right but it’s a mere 15% walking buff. specifically walking in a game where you’re in the air decently often and also have the dash button and positioning

[tacit spear]

You can line them up so you can pogo the boss and them ^_^

[knotty ravine]

the thing is just that the walk buff doesn’t ever do anything in a practical sense, since you can just dash away or simply have better positioning

[sand wharf]

just dash and hit its easy as hell

[knotty ravine]

while it’s not like actively detrimental or fucks you over like gwomb or thorns or elegy, it’s just why would I equip this ever and waste a slot

[tacit spear]

He's talking about the little guys that spawn ^_^

Right?

[sand wharf]

secret third option: crystal dash in the most unneccesary places that wastes time

[sand wharf]

the "boss" you fight before fighting desolate dive boss

[knotty ravine]

that’s pretty real actually

[marsh torrent]

SHADE. FUCKING. SOUL.

[tacit spear]

Ik ^_^

[sand wharf]

its also what i said

[fiery trench]

get elegant key from sly after returning shopkeepers key

[sand wharf]

you made it sound like those annoying bitches that randomly spawn in soul sanctum who just throw fireballs at you

[tacit spear]

He spawns

[tacit spear]

Look ^_^

[marsh torrent]

IM ALREADY FIGHTING THE MOTHERFUCKING SOUL WARRIOR

[fiery trench]

which I said

[static charm]

is THK in the embrace the void ending even infected or no 😭 😭

[fiery trench]

oh. gl cro

[tacit spear]

The little guys that die from a hit ^_^

[sand wharf]

ok bro just get all your dps charms and fight it

[marsh torrent]

i only have 1

[tacit spear]

Sorry for the advice that probably didn't help... -_-

[knotty ravine]

but anyways yea improper use of the word slander

[sand wharf]

which is?

[tacit spear]

He might need strategies not do this ^_^

[marsh torrent]

you were the least stupid one out of the people here

[marsh torrent]

shaman stone

[sand wharf]

istg if this guy says fury of the fallen

[wary hound]

lemme feel my pain in peace in a specific path

[sand wharf]

thats decent ig show me a pic of your charms

[marsh torrent]

so dw

[tacit spear]

Thank you but what I said was still stupid bc of how dense it was ^_^

[fiery trench]

I'd say this hurt if you were wrong

[tacit spear]

Also hi duoloo ^_^

[fiery trench]

Hi Opal

[sand wharf]

you are new as hell, also whats the charm under wayward compass?

[wary hound]

broken heart

[marsh torrent]

what the fuck is discord ai on

[marsh torrent]

i just got dream nail and double jump man 💔

[fiery trench]

its not worth dealing with

[knotty ravine]

Oh how do I disable that

[wary hound]

theres DISCOR DAI

[marsh torrent]

@tacit spear whats your use in soul sanctum

[tacit spear]

Use?

[marsh torrent]

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[tacit spear]

What is that...?

[marsh torrent]

a discord summary

[sand wharf]

wtf only these charms? if grubsong is 1 notch then shaman soul catcher and grubsong if it isnt just overclock with quick focus idk

[fallow grotto]

Yes!