speedrunning

[shell spindle]

'but faster'

what a nice emoji name

[ocean elk]

Dude... Uncool

[tardy lion]

Thanks

[sturdy glade]

People are allowed to share their speedrunning experiences and achievements in the speedrunning channel dog

[tardy lion]

10 hours is not a speedrun

(Not saying it’s a bad speedrun, saying it isn’t a speedrun)

[vagrant warren]

Gatekeep much? 🙄

If there's a timer and the player is making an effort to go fast, it's a speedrun.

[tardy lion]

Yes my 5 hour path of pain run is also a speedrun

If there is no actual focus on speed it isn’t a speed run

[vagrant warren]

If the runner is making an effort it counts, regardless whether you think it's speedy enough

[tardy lion]

If someone ““made an effort”” and got 10 hours they wouldn’t be bragging about it in here .-.

[vagrant warren]

People share all kinds of accomplishments here.

[tardy lion]

Can’t argue with that

[faint apex]

hey

[tardy lion]

Hey indeed

“Hi” even

[hidden sundial]

Steam achievements thinks otherwise

Also yeah, gatekeeping is boring. You called it a bragging thing, I just saw someone sharing an accomplishment.

[tardy lion]

It’s not gatekeeping ._.

Words have meanings ._.

[vagrant warren]

And the definition of speedrun doesn't put any arbitrary time limits on it like you're trying to.

[tardy lion]

I was referring to the definition of gatekeeping, but that also works

as quickly as the player is able to complete it

[vagrant warren]

You saying "that's not a speedrun" seems to fit the gatekeeping definition to me

[tardy lion]

Well according to the definition you send what I did wasn’t gatekeeping, but you do you I suppose

*sent

[vagrant warren]

certainly read like you were trying to determine the legitimacy of their claim.

I don't really expect to change your attitude. But most good speedrunners don't talk down to people sharing their accomplishments or tell them it doesn't count.

[analog pawn]

Yeah, it's just rude

[tardy lion]

I know perfectly well it was rude (hence the “thanks” on the “dude… rude”), but don’t start adding things like gatekeeping for no reason

[latent lichen]

so do you lack reading comprehension or self awareness, cause it has to be one at this point lmao

[lofty flare]

Yes it is. Look at all cheevos, for example. that’s around a 10 hour run.

[lofty flare]

(Or both)

[lofty flare]

Omw to make :tcarrivewithspaghettibutfaster:

[shell spindle]

Bro thinks spedrun has to be somewhere close to wr smh

[tardy lion]

Thank you for commenting without reading the message you replied to ._.

Didn’t say that any 10 hour run is not a speedrun

Just that this specific one wasn’t

[lofty flare]

Even in a category with a WR of 31 minutes

10 hours is still a speedrun

[tardy lion]

Again

[lofty flare]

if the person is attempting to complete the game with speed.

[tardy lion]

It could be

It wasn’t

[lofty flare]

How so??

[tardy lion]

Read it

[lofty flare]

They are timing themselves and trying to beat it quickly

i dont see how this isnt a speedrun

[tardy lion]

Does “trying to beat it quickly” meaning anything other than “not intentionally wasting time”?

[lofty flare]

That is literally

what a speedrun

is

[tardy lion]

Are you serious

[lofty flare]

YES??

[tardy lion]

So I raise my question again, is my 5 hour path of pain run a “speedrun”

If someone plays the game normally you can’t call it a speedrun just because team Cherry added a clock at the end

[lofty flare]

if you're trying to do so fast, yes absolutely

this whole argument just smells...it tastes like gate keeping

[tardy lion]

So any run of any timed game is a speedrun

[formal bough]

You can play timed games without trying to go fast

[mint mist]

don’t think everyone tries to beat a game as fast as they can

[tardy lion]

Who said he tried to beat it as fast as he could???

He just said he beat it under 10 hours

[lofty flare]

[mint mist]

yeah he should’ve sent the message in #speedrunning to make it more clear for us

[lofty flare]

yeah i know, what a crazy thought

[tardy lion]

And he said “first play through in a couple of months” which means he hasn’t trained or planned ahead

[tardy lion]

That’s a circular argument

[lofty flare]

shit i didnt realize i couldnt speedrun without first majoring in speedrunonomics and studying for 14 hours a second

[tardy lion]

Don’t do that

[mint mist]

i’m not trying to make a circular argument, i’m trying to mock you

you missed my point

[tardy lion]

That’s not better

[bright field]

Gotta speedrun the studying too yeah

[lofty flare]

i gotta study the speedrunning before i can speedrun the studying

speedrunning paradox

actually its probably more of a superposition where im both studying speedrunning and speedrunning studying at the same time until directly observed

[mint mist]

schrodinger’s speedrun

[lofty flare]

this whole argument is dumb anyway lmao its a speedrun if they decide they were speedrunning (unless it was VERY VERY OBVIOUSLY not imo)

[tardy lion]

Well they didn’t

So you’re point is null

._.

[lofty flare]

*your

[mint mist]

woah

[faint stone]

gulp

[bright field]

*yro'ue

[mint mist]

argument won

pack it up

[tardy lion]

In my defence they changed how auto correct works

[lofty flare]

no auto correct i know of would correct to you're in that situation

anyway

i feel like if they didnt consider it speedrunning, or at least a quick completion, they wouldn't have posted it here

either way this argument is dumb because its sitll up to them

not me, and certainly not you

[tardy lion]

So you null
Autocorrect ->
So you’re null
Manual edit ->
So you’re point is null

[tardy lion]

If someone posts something in a public chat you can respond to it

[shell spindle]

Most active I’ve seen #speedrunning be since I joined

[lofty flare]

respond to it, but not gatekeep entrance to a community that you hold no weight in and essentially say "you're wrong" in far, far, more words (especially when they aren't)

[tardy lion]

Throwing the word “gatekeeping” at me again and again is not an effective argument

[mint mist]

major timeloss

[lofty flare]

Ignoring the fact that you're gatekeeping again and again is not an effective argument.

[tardy lion]

He sent something, I asked if there was a point, no gatekeeping was commenced

[lofty flare]

"That is not a speedrun" -> gatekeeping commenced

[tardy lion]

Arguing about definitions of points is not gatekeeping :/

[lofty flare]

Telling somebody that their speedrun is not a speedrun is though

[tardy lion]

Please tell me when I said “your speedrun is not a speedrun”

You can’t, because I didn’t say that, you all are arguing against someone who doesn’t exist

[mint mist]

explain?

[tardy lion]

For that category

[lofty flare]

#speedrunning message #speedrunning message

:3

[formal bough]

well excellent then if we're arguing against someone who doesn't exist the argument should end. seems good to me!

[lofty flare]

you didnt mention category at all, specifically time

This argument is entirely pointless, because you've been wrong from the start. I'm done here.

[formal bough]

we all have better things to do than misuse the (admittedly rather dead because we're on our own server now) #speedrunning chat

[mint mist]

i consider talking ragebaiters in circles to be a worthy use of my time

[tardy lion]

I didn’t mention because it was obvious to everyone in that conversation, you come a day later and complain ._.

[lofty flare]

as do i

very fun

[lofty flare]

Everyone in that conversation was also saying you were wrong. Nice argument bro.

[tardy lion]

The fact that they didn’t agree with me doesn’t mean they misunderstood me

Are you even trying to logic or are you just saying words ._.

[lofty flare]

My point still stands, whether or not they understood your statement, and whether or not category applied, you were still wrong.

Im gonna go talk to my stage manager now

at least he has more than 3 brain cells

||actually I have to double check that one he is a drummer (/j)||

[tardy lion]

That is again, not an argument

[lofty flare]

Pinging me will not bring back this fight, nor will making incorrect statements. I'm going to block you now.

[mint mist]

oooh

[tardy lion]

You haven’t said you don’t want to be pinged ._.

[bright field]

She pretty clearly doesn't want to continue the argument

[tardy lion]

Wasn’t clear at all before the block, and I haven’t continued it after, only commented on the extremety

[mint mist]

i love this

[tardy lion]

Is very fun

[latent lichen]

anyway should I start running pop again

its like

mildly fun sometimes

[shell spindle]

U Have to get wr time mochi

[lofty flare]

mochi dont forgot its not a speedrun without a phd in speedruneology

[tardy lion]

So much for not wanting to continue the conversation

[quasi depot]

what happened here

[tardy lion]

Not important

[grizzled tangle]

Hi, I'm new. Is there any guide on how to setup the game and all the other thing for speedruns?

[stable moon]

Check pins, and join the speedrunning discord

[grizzled tangle]

tysm!

[ashen oar]

I love your pfp

[grizzled tangle]

ty!! I love that little guy

[ashen oar]

I love the lil sounds he makes

[grizzled tangle]

yeaaah, best enemy in the game

[coarse pasture]

any percent all fake grub speedrun

you cant get normal grubs

just have to get the fake ones

like in deepnest

HUNGRY GRUBFATHER % xd

[sturdy sail]

is this a good time to get for my first time ever speedruning?

i died like 4 times at watcher knights which is terrible-

but I think I did alright

[steady lynx]

Better than my first run at least

[hidden sundial]

I think my first actual run was 1:23 and faced similar issues, so yeah, perfectly good time for starting, it only gets better from there.

[sturdy sail]

I gotta improve my boss fights mostly, Uumuu was fine cause its uumuu but watchers were rough and THK was a little rocky too, I died a couple times there too. but I can see where I can improve which is a good thing I think

[analog pawn]

yeah, boss fights take a lot of practice to be good at

just need to put in the time really

[sacred thunder]

And/or play 1221 and have an easier thk
(I hate that the speedrun patch has easier thk, it’s super lame)

[analog pawn]

well, watcher knights are harder at least

on 1221 they can roll from off screen while they need to walk until you can see them on later patches

[steady lynx]

But on 1221 the fireball takes longer to despawn so they're way easier to multi hit

[analog pawn]

that's true

my main source for watcher knights still being harder on 1221 is marcus tbh

I just take what he says about watchers as true

In my experience what marcus says is true though, watchers on 1.5 has felt slightly easier despitr backrolls

[steady lynx]

They're very easy on eleven fourteen

Just press the fluke button twice

[analog pawn]

true

[shell spindle]

flukes my beloved

[abstract prism]

i've been running true ending for little bit and i was curious how you do the animation skip after shade soul? i've tried it in a few runs and after i quit out i still only have the base vs

[shell spindle]

theres an animation skip? dam i never knew i only thought it was for wings to also prevent infected crossroads

and a bunch of other abilities in earlier patches by using enemies

[steady lynx]

If you're on 1.3 or higher, Team Cherry added a wall of sorts to keep the Follies from entering the upper area of the room

Also you have to wait for the save icon to appear before you quit out

[abstract prism]

okay the save icon is probably the problem

im on 1.2.2.1

thank you

[rustic wharf]

Is there any practical use in dying at the start of the dreamnail sequence?

[steady lynx]

You mean, falling off the platform?

On 1.2.2.1 and lower it makes Seer spawn faster, on patches after that it's a great way to lose time

[quasi depot]

do u have to do ibaldur for low%

[vagrant warren]

what is "ibaldur" ?

[formal bough]

No, you don't have to do a cursed baldur killer for low% you can just get vengeful spirit

[vagrant warren]

(but what is the "i" for? )

[coral shore]

Itemless

[vagrant warren]

ahhhh thanks python

do people actually call it that I've never seen it called that

[coral shore]

Sometimes i think

[vagrant warren]

although it is kind of strange someone knows a term like that but apparently hasn't watched the first 5 mins of a run they're asking about LOL

[thorn jasper]

inb4 they're asking about low% te and thus haven't seen a full run

[vagrant warren]

LOL def possible but the baldur question really doesn't require watching the full thing

[coral shore]

She is active around hk discussion where itemless baldur was discussed somewhat regularly for a bit

[hidden sundial]

Imagine going for Low% TE and realizing 47 hours in you're not going to beat WR

[tardy lion]

Imagine going for Low% TE

-# -this post was brought to you by the Low% GodHome gang

[vagrant warren]

Imagine actually doing it successfully & then realizing there's no board for it

[shell spindle]

Imagine the faces on the bees that realise a person is running low %te

They still use the bees latest patch right

[rustic wharf]

There is this one spot in crossroads with the many aspid mother, left of the tram

[steady lynx]

Probably, but every few months someone suggests using the flukelings in fluke nest, so far we've realised you need dive every time

[rustic wharf]

Right at the exit of the tramroom, there is a spot to which the enemys cant get. Isnt that a great place to farm essence?

[shell spindle]

It’s so much faster but u get the extra %to which =not lowest %

Unless there’s a way to reduce ano th er %with dive

[steady lynx]

When will these runners learn to use infinite dirt carver pit?

[shell spindle]

:/

[sturdy glade]

Hear me out

Just do dropless

[steady lynx]

I think the aspid hatchlings suffer from never losing the ability to hit you, unlike bees which do that, for some reason

[sturdy glade]

Wait what

[rustic wharf]

Yeah but they cant get to you

[steady lynx]

Also pretty sure they spawn slower than the bees

It'd be very funny if that one crawler in Mawlurks room respawned every time you enter the room so it'd be optimal to just enter the load over and over for like 120 hours

[rustic wharf]

Yeah probabky

[rustic wharf]

How would that be optimal?

And which crawler do you mean?

[steady lynx]

The one that enters the spikes as the room loads

[shell spindle]

What a dumb enemy

[rustic wharf]

Where is that?

[steady lynx]

Abyss_20

Wait, that's an up/down load, yeah the load remover wouldn't make up for that

[shell spindle]

Wouldn’t bees spawn rate still be quicker than the transition grind

Cuz u have 2 spammers

[steady lynx]

At one point I had a room dupe that repeatedly enters loads to grind essence, but it's kinda useless since you can just dupe Failed Champ Essence in glitched runs

Or like, Xero if you're not restricted by %'s

[shell spindle]

:0

[coral shore]

There is an invisible wall there tho

Hatchlings are just slower but they are the way to go if you are like, doing low% seer ascension or some shit

[idle imp]

my autosplit isnt working. if somebody could help me it would be greatly appreciated

it was working earlier but now it doesn't start when i start a run

[steady lynx]

Low% Seer ascension is the best shitpost

[wild junco]

whats the wr right now

[quasi depot]

no idea

[wild junco]

💀

[proud lily]

Can anyone help me to fireball skip? I think im doing osmething wrong, but im not sure what

[vagrant warren]

Make sure you're using quick cast not focus & timing the fireballs rather than mashing

[proud lily]

wait i did it

thanks

[silk anchor]

does anyone have a list of JUST the bosses in any%

i can only find a guide to any% not just a list of the bosses

[vagrant warren]

False Knight, Hornet, Gruz Mom, Watchers, Uumuu.

(There's probably no list because there aren't very many & it's not a long run so it's really not that hard to see them in the notes or splits)

[silk anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-say-cheese-smile-creepy-excited-gif-6564757416229948468

[vagrant warren]

Well, and THK. But that's kind of a given LOL

[silk anchor]

LMAO

[hidden sundial]

Also False Knight is kind of halfway through as you skip phases 2 and 3

So it'd be Fals..., Hornet, Gruz Mother, Watcher Knights, Uumuu, The Hollow Knight

[sharp tangle]

Hi, I'm new here! I just got into speedrunning, but I'm having an issue with livesplit not detecting hollowknight. The timer will work in real time but is stuck at 0.00 in Game Time. It was working a few days ago. I've tried closing and reopening both livesplit and the game. I've tried reinstalling hollowknight and livesplit. Any help is appreciated!

[formal bough]

join the speedrun discord (pins) and go to the tech support channel

[sharp tangle]

thanks!

[keen lichen]

If I want to speedrun the Path of Pain, do I need to complete the game up to that point, or is it allowed to use mods to reach it and then disable them before starting the actual speedrun?

[steady lynx]

As long as it's possible to set up the save like it is in the run it doesn't matter how you get there

But you could also just download a save that's at that point already

[solar shuttle]

does anybody know how to make a hk tas? i wanna try making one

[steady lynx]

I'm pretty sure there's a TAS discord, Idk if anyone active here can invite you

[woven forge]

is nix ok with pings?

[solar shuttle]

if anybody knows can they just dm me the server?

[formal bough]

I'll dm it

[solar shuttle]

alright

[formal bough]

maybe I could have just sent it here idk I have no clue what the discord invite sending perms are but went with dm

[solar shuttle]

i got into the server but if anybody knows idk where to start

oh wait i can dm in server

mb

[vagrant warren]

Is the tas server not just included in the server tsg?

?tag servers

[river axle]

Hollow Knight Community Discords

Note: this is the only Official Hollow Knight Discord server. The other servers are run by other members of the hollow knight community, and they are not affiliated with this server.

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[vagrant warren]

Yeah, for everyone's future reference

[formal bough]

good to know

[shell spindle]

[proud lily]

how do I use livesplit

[shell spindle]

i think the speedrunning discord server provides more help on livesplit cuz ive seen ppl get redirected there a few times

[proud lily]

oh ok

[brazen grotto]

@looking to play manhunt i need 3 to 4 ppl

[hearty thorn]

Hello, i will start speedrunning and i wanna know what's the bests mods for speedrun ?? (Not Mods that change the game, just for getting the life easier)

[tardy lion]

If you want to submit your run you aren’t allowed to use mods

Also no quality of life mods

[hearty thorn]

I don't want to submit them, and i just want some mods that don't change the game, but like, HUD ect... like im in pc and i can't skip the dialogs of some PNJ

[sacred thunder]

If you are on the latest patch (which you probably are) and don’t care about submitting, just use QoL, it mimics how certain skips where possible in older patches, let you skip texts, cutscenes and more
And maybe debugmod that lets you make savestates and such

All of this is downloaded through lumafly

?tag lumafly

[river axle]

Lumafly

Lumafly (formerly known as Scarab+) is a mod installer for 1.5 based on Scarab, but updated based on community feedback to fix problems that commonly occur in Scarab, as well as adding additional features.

• Website | Download

[hearty thorn]

Thx you, installed it and this is very usefull, c:

[shell spindle]

“No reply ping”

[grim bluff]

about how many ppl have beaten p5 hitless?

[vagrant warren]

probably a few hundred at this point? There's an old spreadsheet somewhere, plus whoever is on team hitless website, plus random people who have done it but aren't on either list

[chilly trench]

Does anyone know where I should go to get info on major glitches like main menu storage and noclips and stuff? I've been getting some info from tutorials for the all glitches speedrun but those seem mostly about what to do for the speedrun, not how the glitches actually work and how to use them.

[weary root]

Yeah , what do you want to know?

[chilly trench]

I'm trying to figure out how I can kill monomon and lurien without having to kill uumuu, the watcher knights, or any other enemies. I think I can probably do that by following the speedrun route but I really can't wrap my head around moving with the noclip from main menu storage.

[weary root]

Yeah that's definitely doable. Noclip is very different to move around with, takes some getting used to, and there are a lot of ways to softlock

[chilly trench]

Yeah I noticed lol. I keep softlocking myself on the first screen by just going off the top of the screen

[weary root]

Yeah you have to be careful loading in cause if your first jump is a wings then you get what we call a floaty jump which with noclip sends you up forever

You want to try and get airwalk off the geometry in the walls

I'd recommend getting debug to practise so you can turn on hitboxes, make savestates, and save yourself with debug noclip

Probably the main thing to be aware of is airwalk. When you have airwalk the knight will look like they're walking on the ground, and when you don't have it the knight looks like they're falling though the air. Having airwalk is great cause you can dash and jump infinitely but in order to move downward with a down dash you need to lose airwalk. After you lose it you only have one dash and one jump until you "land"(get airwalk) again

You can lose airwalk in a bunch of ways, the easiest being pressing cdash or dreamnail

[chilly trench]

The furthest I've made it is above dirtmouth but I couldn't find a way to get down. I saw that the speedrun used down-dash from dashmaster to do that but opening the charms menu seems to softlock

[weary root]

Oh yeah you spawn in with bench storage

[chilly trench]

Yeah

[weary root]

So you need to open inventory in a situation where you can get control back

[chilly trench]

I saw that you could use c-dash to do that but I couldn'

couldn't figure out how to start a c-dash

[weary root]

You need the game to think you're grounded to cdash

So if you have airwalk and are close enough to the ground it'll work

But if you're far from the ground it just makes you lose airwalk

[chilly trench]

Is there any way I can make sure I end up close to the ground from the start? I saw the speedrunners use a nail art to stop moving down at the right point but that seems super inconsistent

[weary root]

A good place to do it would be right after you leave Kings Pass cause the transition puts you on the ground

[chilly trench]

Oh so I can just walk through the transition and then c-dash from the top of dirtmouth?

[weary root]

Yeah you want to try and get airwalk somewhere in that wall cause then you can dash across KP but worst case scenario you can just slowly float over to the door

[weary root]

Yeah

[chilly trench]

I'm not doing a speedrun so I don't mind the time loss

[weary root]

You can also hold the cdash charge while you're putting on charms and release it when you're done if you need more time to put them on

Also if you are going to put on charms during a cdash then you need to use enter NOT jump cause jump ends the cdash lol

[chilly trench]

Are there any other places I can activate a noclip or is it just the start of the game. Cause if it is just the start of the game I'd have to get both lurien and monomon in a single segment without softlocking myself

[weary root]

There are other places to get it, but you can't take noclip all the way to lurien because you softlock if you go through an upwards transition with noclip

The game gives you control from an upwards transition when you either land or hit a wall and you can't with noclip

To get to lurien without killing watchers you'll have to do elevator storage

What patch are you on?

[chilly trench]

I'm using current patch rn but I can go down a bit

[weary root]

If it's 1.5.78 then elevator storage doesn't work yeah

[chilly trench]

actually I don't know how to downpatch besides to the versions for the steam betas

[weary root]

If you use 1.4 which is the easiest to downpatch to you'll have to put charms on in godhome before doing MMS cause you can't open inv until a quitout on that patch for some reason

Yeah 1.4 is easiest if you don't care about being optimal

[chilly trench]

do the charms stay equipped when you mms?

[weary root]

Yep

[chilly trench]

Oh ok. I guess speedruns don't do that cause it's faster to do it while cdashing

[weary root]

Yeah we used to put them on at the godhome bench before 1.5 came out but it saves like 10 seconds to do it after

[chilly trench]

big timesave in a ~5 min run

aight I'm installing 1.4.3.2

btw what's the timing to actually get mms? I've just been mashing esc while clicking start game but I'm pretty sure there's meant to be a better way

[weary root]

You press esc slightly after the menu pops back up. You can also use nail, and focus, so you should press all three at slightly different times to make it more consistent

It is frame perfect so having your frames capped to 60 is recommended

60fps does have some input lag though so you can turn that off after

[chilly trench]

damn I got it second try

so you only need to press escape? You don't have to click start game?

[weary root]

You can do it with any menu transition but the one between "Do you want to quit the game (yes) (no)" and the main menu is the fastest i think

[chilly trench]

Aight I made it into crossroads and immediately fell through the floor lol

[weary root]

Yeah you have a number of options to stop yourself moving downwards. Easiest is dash or wings but both of those are limited to one until you get airwalk again. Great Slash is good but has a charge time, and shade soul is also good but requires soul

Other than than you can still hit enemies and hazards so they can stop you as well although (looking at you gruz room) sometimes they do it when you don't want it

[chilly trench]

alright I reckon I can make it through most of the rooms now if I practice them

What's elevator storage and how can I use it for watcher knights?

[weary root]

Hmm lemme find a video

This works by landing on the top part of the elevator then walking into the spikes which tricks the game into thinking you're still standing on the elevator. Important to note: don't stand on the elevator when going past it again cause that will remove the storage.
Then when you call the elevator up it will push you upwards cause the game thinks you're standing on it and it will clip you through the ceiling.
You will have to jump up the inside of the wall to get enough height or else you'll end up stuck in the wall and have to quit back to the bench.
https://youtu.be/hGcu8OEJalw?t=8m43s

[chilly trench]

How come using wings sometimes makes you keep floating upwards and sometimes it makes you lose vertical momentum?

[steady lynx]

That happens if you get a floaty wings jump in noclip

[weary root]

Oh hey gusten

[steady lynx]

Which happens if your last wings jump was cancelled by for instance a load in the first few frames

[steady lynx]

Hisog Eisog

you should run AGAG btw

[weary root]

True

[chilly trench]

What's the essence from the gruz room used for?

[weary root]

Dreamgates

[chilly trench]

ye i saw that but what are they for

[weary root]

Useful for dreamgate noclip

You start with one essence for some reason so if you don't plan on using a dreamgate other than the one to escape archives then you won't need extras

[chilly trench]

I'll probably need one to escape spire too

[weary root]

True

[steady lynx]

You have the essence from the start in Godseeker so it's possible to dreamgate out of pantheons and the bosses in HoG

For some reason you still need to have an essence to do that even though it doesn't use up the essence

[chilly trench]

Makes sense

I can probably get a few essence without noclip on though and then use mms to get noclip from the save with more essence

[steady lynx]

Keep in mind that mms noclip always warps you to Kings pass

Which would be another way to escape archives

[weary root]

You wouldn't get noclip though cause no bench

But it would warp you

[chilly trench]

I'm not speedrunning so I could use that to warp and then sit at a bench, then mms again to get noclip

[weary root]

[chilly trench]

or I could do that to escape spire since I don't need noclip after that

[weary root]

Yeah

[chilly trench]

I think that's everything I need for the run

besides a lot of practice with noclip movement

[steady lynx]

It takes a bit to get used to

[chilly trench]

I've managed to get to canyon but I keep missing the screen transitions

[weary root]

I was going to recommend diving into the long canyon room but that will probably kill some enemies

Either way the acid will catch you regardless of noclip which is useful for safety

[chilly trench]

What charms do you usually use?

As far as I can see only dashmaster is really important but what else is useful?

[weary root]

NMG for charging nail arts faster, grubsong for soul if you get hit, everything else is just for small timesaves

Dream wielder is nice for gathering soul

[chilly trench]

I'm getting stuck on mms for some reason, it isn't responding when I click start game

[weary root]

Fascinating

I don't think I've encountered that

Send a clip?

[chilly trench]

Idk if that really happened here but I definitely did something wrong. I was trying to load the file in slot 2 into slot 1

I'm pretty sure I clicked on the slot 2 file but it didn't load until I accidentally clicked on slot 3

Ok I think I just wasn't clicking onto slot 1 fast enough

[brazen grotto]

anyone wanna do a manhunt if yes i will say mods

[latent hollow]

Is explogo possible on currentpatch?

[analog pawn]

yes, but you have to pogo the spore and not the explosion

[latent hollow]

Cool, thanks for letting me know!

[split wind]

hey guys

[spiral grove]

how do you view hitboxes

[weary root]

in debug there's an option on the "visual" tab

[spiral grove]

thx

[misty plinth]

Hey does shriek pogo work current patch? I'm struggling to tell if I'm just shit at it or it got patched out

Actually wait does console and pc sit on different patches?

[patent hinge]

I don't think so, but I'm not sure

[misty plinth]

Alright cause I'm trying to do an abyss shriek pogo on ps5 but I'm really not having any luck

[coral shore]

shriek pogo works on all patches

[coral shore]

pc truly latest patch is like 1.5.78 (1.5.80 if you count microsoft store but like lmao)
consoles use 1.4.3.2 or 1.4.3.3 but I think those two are mostly identical so we usually say 1.4.3.2 for convenience

[misty plinth]

Alr

[coral shore]

Shrogo can be tough so dont be discouraged!!!

[misty plinth]

So rq can I double check I'm not missing something about shriek pogo?

Isn't it just legit get a down slash just about as soon as you regain control?

[coral shore]

You also need to use wings before that

Its like, wings and then after or at the same time pogo

[misty plinth]

Oh

The tutorial I was watching did not mention the wings

[coral shore]

Can I ask what tutorial was it?

[misty plinth]

Wait

I just realised he did mention it

https://youtu.be/kdFCx7FuATE?si=O2m-Yxg_E-hv7fk7

[shell spindle]

[mighty basalt]

Is there a linux alternative to livesplit? I cant get the autosplit to work.

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it's called WASM, works for Linux and Mac

https://github.com/AlexKnauth/hollowknight-autosplit-wasm

[mighty basalt]

thx

[steady lynx]

If you submit runs with it, remember to set autosplitter to WASM rather than Default

[drifting condor]

How do you do shriek pogo

[shell spindle]

1 shriek 2 immediately wings 3 pogo 4 rinse and repeat

[weary root]

Yeah you have like 6 frames to wings + pogo iirc

From the point you get control after the shriek*

[near hollow]

Does anyone have any tips for beating watchers in the any% route, I kinda suck and that’s where I get stuck at

[weary root]

It takes a lot of practice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc-_Vg-Y8ME

[near hollow]

Yeah, also would you recommend control or keyboard more?

[analog pawn]

It's up to preference mostly

[shell spindle]

wait i thought shrogo was only 4 frames. must be memory or comprehension or disinformation moment

[analog pawn]

it is 4 frames for the wings

but 6 for pogo

iirc

[shell spindle]

ooooh

so pogo takes 2 frames

[opaque fulcrum]

hey, does a hollow knight, current patch, no glitches run exist?

i cant find it on speedrun.com

[shell spindle]

i think it's like 1.4. something patch+

[steady lynx]

Nmg is the closest you'll get to glitchless

[weary root]

Yeah most categories have a 1.4+ tab unless they're already run on those patches like 112%

Oh yeah you look at hk funny and it glitches so nmg is definitely the way to go

[steady lynx]

One day we'll find out if inventory drops are a glitch

[shell spindle]

nailmasters glory the way to go

[weary root]

Actually the better way to go is to embrace the glitches

[shell spindle]

speedrun.com gonna add an achievement for that

[steady lynx]

But that's cheating

[shell spindle]

me when I use all glitches speedrun to gamble

[weary root]

Cheating

[steady lynx]

Floating flying?

[shell spindle]

me when fireball skips make u take a easier route

doesn't sound like cheating at all

[weary root]

Weeeeeeeee

[verbal stag]

sequence breaks are cheating actually

[tardy lion]

Bench warping is cheating actually

[hidden sundial]

Pressing the up button is cheating

[spiral grove]

anyone got tips for the first part of ismas skip?

is there a guide?

[sour fox]

you might be able to find a guide. I recommend practicing the timing of dash into cdash with no lost height, but not above acid

[vagrant warren]

Do you mean particular acid skip, or the skip into ismas Grove? The latter is likely covered in all skills guides. You may also want to join the server in pins, there are more active runners there

[spiral grove]

the one without cdash i mean

into ismas grove

[vagrant warren]

Ahh, not the all skills version then, the LP any% version. I'd definitely suggest joining the speedrun server for that

The first part is not that bad, just right side tunnel instead of left side, but the following sections are quite tough

[mossy siren]

what is fastest way to the breakable charm dude

what stag i mean

[hidden sundial]

No stags are too close, but I'd say Queen's Station

[vagrant warren]

Crossroads is pretty quick too as long as there's no inffection

[spiral grove]

ik that part is easy

i mean

hold on

this one

and the speedrun discord is not very helpful 🐱

[vagrant warren]

?? The speedrun discord is literally where you will find the most updated tutorials & info

[analog pawn]

have you asked for help in the discord?

[vital current]

decided to try and holo a true ending run and I think I did pretty well

considering I had no set path and just ran around for a while I think it's a good time

[tardy lion]

Congrats

[drifting condor]

I’m doing path of pain for the first time rn

Out of curiosity what’s the world record for it

[steady lynx]

1:55.57

By who else but Yihou

[timid wigeon]

does anybody have a video to show how to do all fire ball skips?

[twin citrus]

hi, someone have the mod to practis the no hit or speed run? youtube video or something

ty

[vagrant warren]

get debug from Lumafly, assuming you're running current patch.

?tag lumafly

[river axle]

Lumafly

Lumafly (formerly known as Scarab+) is a mod installer for 1.5 based on Scarab, but updated based on community feedback to fix problems that commonly occur in Scarab, as well as adding additional features.

• Website | Download

[hexed veldt]

anyone tryna play tag?

[drifting condor]

How do you do shrogo

[hexed veldt]

?\

tf isa shrogo

[sacred thunder]

You shriek then double jump and pogo in a quick time window
You will have more luck getting tips for it in places like the speedrunning server, especially in the channels related to categories which have shrogo, so mostly true ending to my limited knowledge

[shell spindle]

true ending

wait

oooh right wp

[analog pawn]

112 and 107 as well

True ending LP does it but not 1221

The 1221 route just uses shade soul for everything instead

[sacred thunder]

yeah of course every lp category that goes through white palace basically

[grizzled ferry]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxztXUwvdSQIbxrH6jesoADdINDaed0niO?si=xiESGvYlOCWsga64 does this help the speedrunning community at all or nah (don't mind the audio)

[grizzled ferry]

does anyone know u can stand on the spikes there?

[analog pawn]

I don't know if people knew about this thorn stand before but probably, it doesn't help in the speedrun though unfortunately

[grizzled ferry]

😭

great

the same guy did it AGAIN 💀

And again

and then again

[analog pawn]

yeah there are a lot of spots like this

[mint mist]

especially in PoP

i can think of like 3 others in room 1

[grizzled ferry]

frfr

[drifting condor]

I beat pop for the first time yesterday, almost died to the kingsmouldd

Cause I panicked

[teal root]

Hello everyone, longtime Fan of the game, i wanted to give speedrunning any% a try to see how far i can improve. Are there any resources or tutorials/runs that explain the current strats of the category? I know there's a tutorial series from fireborn but i don't know if this is still up to date. Thanks in advance :)

[steady lynx]

the fireborn guide is not up to date with the current geo route, some strats are the same, but there's more up to date ones available

[analog pawn]

the fireborn guide is stilll a good resource for boss fights and some tricks

you can look at runs for the most up to date route since the changes are pretty small, gwonkee has a guide that is more updated movement wise

gwonkee is also working on a new guide that should be done in not super long, that will be fully up to date

but yeah, not done yet

[teal root]

thanks guys for the quick response

so would it be advisable to wait for the new guide, or just work with the ones that aren't fully up to date and get the practice in anyway?

[steady lynx]

Never really too early to start learning the route

Some of the bosses (basically all of them) also require a lot of practice to get good at in any% NMG, and the strats for them haven't changed a ton

[teal root]

i hope to get the gist of it pretty quick, since i completed the platinum trophy

the only thing i kinda worry about is no nail upgrades and no abilities

[hidden sundial]

I don't really know all the details, but as people said here, there's plenty to start with even if you don't go 101% META for your first speedruns

[prisma lintel]

currently 2 hours into my speedrun, ive killed lurien and monomon. I need to get enough geo for lantern what would be the fastest way

[hidden sundial]

Fastest way is to pay Lemm a visit with a few relics you get on the way to Lurien (and after WK)

[shell spindle]

and some u hopefully picked up in fungal and greenpath

maybe get the one from the well if that's quick

[prisma lintel]

dont think thats enough

running around getting relics

[shell spindle]

thats more than enough

450*3 = 1350

997+1350 > 1800

[prisma lintel]

oki I now have enough that I can comfortably get upgrades and lantern

[sour fox]

I'm setting up livesplit for the first time for any%. How do I set the win condition (beat hk)?

[vagrant warren]

If you are doing a run that ends on credits it splits automatically. You can get pre made splits from hksplitmaker.com

[prisma lintel]

hell yeah

first time ive ever completed a speedrun of the game

I didnt realize at my skill level it was this manageable

[shell spindle]

speedruns are all speedruns if u decide it is a speedrun

tbh my first playthru rn is kind of a speedun cuz I know a lot of stuff abt the game

[paper elbow]

I did 1 speedrun and now every playthough i do feels like one. I dont know how to explore anymore tbh

[frank fulcrum]

3hours ?
That's Pretty cool

[prisma lintel]

Yeah it was fun

[frank fulcrum]

How much time did watchers and hollow knight took?

[frank fulcrum]

Just don't rush everything

[paper elbow]

yeah but then im just wondering around making no progress and its kinda muscle memory ya know

[sour fox]

ty

[twilit gull]

Try playing the randomizer mod

[paper elbow]

sadly i play on console

[twilit gull]

Sad

[paper elbow]

yeah

but oh well

[shell spindle]

R5ab tbh

[light path]

I tried doing an any% speedrun and I was on insane pace until watchers and they took me like 30 minutes . So just for fun I did another run but negated the time it took for watchers and just added 5 minutes at the end (as if I beat watchers first try) and it was like 42 minutes I’m so mad

[analog pawn]

watchers are really difficult

def the most practiced split for a lot of top runners

If you want to practice and improve your time I'd recommend doing watchers til you can get past them pretty consistently

[hidden sundial]

I struggle far more with THK for some reason, but WK are tough cookies for sure

[drifting condor]

Yeah I started a new file and got to spire with dream nail in like 40 min, then got obliterated

Wk low equip is tough

[frank fulcrum]

I struggle with thk with d dark man
Idk how y'all beat him so easily

[analog pawn]

just practice

when derusting any% I did thk attempts with timer every day for around a week

before then I have done a lot of practice as well

[shell spindle]

I look so dumb when I tried to do shrogo without looking into how to shrogo :/

[drifting condor]

When I first tired I didn’t even know you had to use wings

[magic totem]

I’m tryna learn PoP speed running, any tips

[finite hamlet]

try going onto the leaderboards and look at some of the runs a few places down and look at the strats they use

[light path]

1221 or current patch

[light path]

oops didnt realize you mean shrogo

[sour fox]

Anyone know what the best TAS program is to us for PC input runs?

[light path]

like

are you making a TAS?

or doing semi tas

like u the human play run

but with like frame by frame advance and shit

cuz you might have more luck in #modding-discussion if you are coding an actual TAS

[shell spindle]

Current

[formal bough]

the answer is libtas; it's a lot of work but if you want to do so awesome! join the tassing discord

[river axle]

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[formal bough]

click on the hollow knight TAS link and you'll be sent to the server

[rocky pumice]

Where can I install the speed running bar mod thing that goes on the side of the game?

[knotty vigil]

My first ever steel soul completion (3rd attempt)

[knotty vigil]

the timer is called livesplit ig

[dawn apex]

hola peoples

[drifting sandal]

Hola amigo

[dawn apex]

Wassup

[stiff rune]

sup

[gentle pivot]

Hello? So I was thinking about trying my hand at beating Path of Pain hitless. So wouldn't really be speedrunning it, but I imagine if anyone has the answers to my questions, it's the speedrunning community. I'm just wondering what mods or whatever else I could use to reset to start, reset to start of specific rooms so I can practice, and how to install these mods?

[vagrant warren]

mods are installed with lumafly, debug mod has savestates that can be used, runners also use a specific mini-savestate assembly but if you're not planning to submit debug is a bit more accessible. If you're looking for specific movement tips you might also want to join the speedrun server (in pins)

?tag lumafly

[river axle]

Lumafly

Lumafly (formerly known as Scarab+) is a mod installer for 1.5 based on Scarab, but updated based on community feedback to fix problems that commonly occur in Scarab, as well as adding additional features.

• Website | Download

[gentle pivot]

Thank you!

[shell spindle]

shrogo my beloved

[frank fulcrum]

Should I rely on d dive ( without shaman) to kill watcher knight or focus on healing more and rely on nail for damage?

[sacred thunder]

Are you going for a 5 hour speedrun ?
If yes then I would highly recommend getting ddark and use that as your primary source of damage

[rotund grove]

Double hits feel so cool tho

[frank fulcrum]

I am trying to get 1hour 30 mins time

[shell spindle]

probably just get ddark, it's not far from cdash iirc unless watchers are before cdash then idk

[analog pawn]

normal route gets watchers before but you can get cdash before instead

[frank fulcrum]

I can't get D dark without howling wraiths
And for this run I didn't get wraiths to save time

[shell spindle]

i c

oh ofc they're both in city

wait, why wraiths?

[frank fulcrum]

To kill the stupid crysta hunter
Otherwise d dark isn't possible for me
And howling wraiths is pretty usefull in city

[sacred thunder]

You can run away

[shell spindle]

u know those u hit the crystal missles away, hit them once and repeat

[sacred thunder]

That usually works well enough for all crystal hunters related issues

[shell spindle]

or that

[frank fulcrum]

Running works for the first two crystal hunters but I just can't fight crystal hunters on the wierd platforms

[shell spindle]

just redirect the crystals away then

[hidden sundial]

If getting DDark annoys you, empowered dive does quite some damage. Add a nail upgrade to the mix and use Shaman Stone and you shall destroy them.

[shell spindle]

[paper elbow]

I got 2 hours 13 minutes for Any% No Major Glitches, wondering if that is average for an average joe like ma self?

[normal aspen]

I think my first run was around that 1.5-2h mark? It kinda doesn't mean anything because it fluctuates wildly based on any practice / how experienced with the game/genre/gaming you are

Just keep it up and you'll improve in leaps and bounds

[frank fulcrum]

Yeah I should have picked shaman I am stupid

[hidden sundial]

Yeah this pretty much. My first Any% run was 1:20ish and my second was almost 20 mins quicker when I decided to use the actual recommended route (without QGA)

[shell spindle]

doing qga 1st speedrun

[hidden sundial]

I love myself enough not to do that ever

[analog pawn]

I did that

I don't count what I did for the achievement as a speedrun

I just beat the game with the intention of getting the achievement and making that easy for me, not to actually go as fast as I can

[lusty oak]

i was wondering, why do we do the shade skip into resting grounds when we go to get crystal dash later anyway?

[weary root]

In any% it's partially because you need dream nail before getting to Lurien. It also gives city access

Going through crystal peak to resting grounds you can't get to city unless you've got dive or already been underneath to open the shortcut under Xero

[steady lynx]

February 2017 type route where you got Dive to get Crystal dash

Or if you plan to somehow get the 1800 geo for lantern before going to city at all

[hidden sundial]

Basically for City Access, which allows to get large geo amounts that grant Lantern (preventing the need of Soul Sanctum) and one of the dreamers in a quick succession

[safe rover]

Just beat the hollow knight in 45 seconds

[rocky pumice]

Thanks :3

[frank fulcrum]

Still not 30 ?
Skill issue

[paper elbow]

Anyone know a good video that teaches how to 112% speed run the game?

[vagrant warren]

I don't think there's any actual walkthru, your best bet is possibly a regular commentated run combined with pastebin notes. I'd also suggest joining the pinned server so you can ask questions as you have them

[frank fulcrum]

Is it possible to get to God home without claw?

[vagrant warren]

if it is it would be very cursed. (You'd need to get dive without claw as well)

[hidden sundial]

Not possible to get Dive without Claw in vanilla I think

I mean, you technically can but you softlock yourself in sanctum?

[steady lynx]

Very NMG pilled

[hidden sundial]

Well yeah, glitching allows everything I guess

[formal bough]

I'm pretty sure it's just not possible if you stay on one patch?

you can dreamgate out instead of getting softlocked so that wouldn't be the problem

It's that you can't get up to soul sanctum on current patch because rooms are split + something isn't pogoable, and you can't get through soul sanctum on older patches because you can't stallball for wings

but you go to stallball version get wings then go to older patch for better sanctum you could get dive

[weary root]

Everyone forgetting about shriek pogos

[hidden sundial]

Oh true, good ol shrogos

[steady lynx]

Less so forgetting, moreso repressing

[weary root]

[hidden sundial]

I consider they do not exist

[shell spindle]

what's shrogo

[vagrant warren]

shriek pogo

[sacred thunder]

Shrogo allows… everything clawless ?
If WP is possible everything should be

[weary root]

Yeah I think the wall just after you beat watcher knights requires at least 6 or something

[frank fulcrum]

How do you even get to || shriek without claw ? ||

[analog pawn]

wings slopeball

[frank fulcrum]

Okay hold on
To reach God home without clawe.u need dive
We know dive isn't possible without claw
So to get wings you need to c dash but to reach broken vessel because without claw u need c dash to reach bv too
So the question should be can you get c dash with dash only? ( nmg btw)

[vagrant warren]

You dont need cdash to get wings. Clawless shade cloak does (did?) a shade skip to get across

[analog pawn]

you don't need cdash yeah

ismas any% is built on that

[thorn jasper]

there's also a slopeball. GPZ% uses that now I believe

[coral shore]

Nah csc doesn't do bv anymore

[shell spindle]

It was a joke…

[scarlet shale]

hey guys, I'd like to start speedrunning the game (mostly for fun) where should i start? Is there somewhere where the main route is explained?

[weary root]

There's a ton of resources in the speedrunning server. There's a link in the pins ^

[hard roost]

how do people do the opening cutscene skip

or the fast fall

[vagrant warren]

They play on 1221

[hard roost]

oh

[safe rover]

Cmon man I’m not a pro.

[light path]

i think inventory drops are still possible on current patch, but i think its also tas-only or something

[formal bough]

you can only do it when you walk off a ledge, and it's frame perfect

[light path]

ye

[steady lynx]

Literally free, not even close to tas only

[light path]

oh

idk ive never done

them before

[shell spindle]

Ok gusten…

[analog pawn]

definitely not close to tas only

but it's not completely free

but you can do it pretty much consistently

[frank wind]

yeah I was doing them before when i was trying speedrunning thinking thats how they always worked before learning that you were able to just do them anywhere in the air in earlier patches lol

[halcyon pewter]

[shell spindle]

Me when fireb0rn vids

[inner cairn]

does anyone have some tips for someone who wants to start speed running hollow knight

[sour fox]

practice practice practice

[inner cairn]

what should i practice first

fireball skips?

[hidden sundial]

Not dying. Then skips.

[inner cairn]

ok

[steady lynx]

Learn how to submit a run correctly and you'll already be better at that than most runners

[inner cairn]

lol

[steady lynx]

Whenever I see someone put in the right time for RTA on the first try I get pleasantly surprised

[shell spindle]

Lol

[halcyon pewter]

What s the best route for 112% ?

[thorn jasper]

if by "best" you mean "fastest without the use of major glitches" then watch the world record

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight?h=112_APB-no-major-glitches&x=xk9vrl6d-onvj96mn.5q870z6l

[light path]

Just try a run with or without skips (if you know it do it, if not then just skip it for now) and go until you hit something (platforming/boss) that you struggle with, then practice all of those until you are good, then learn the skips

[inner cairn]

Thank You

[halcyon pewter]

My bad by best I mean a route that us best for beginner
( + it dosent include a skip like no claw shade skip )

[steady lynx]

The 112 route doesn't use shade skips at all

The only part of the route I'd call not beginner friendly is the dark room in Crystal Peak

[tardy lion]

112 as a whole is not beginner friendly

Should probably start with either any% or trueEnding%

[minor heron]

What are the requirements to get a run verified

Or better said I, how do you submit a run correctly

[formal bough]

just follow the rules on speedrun.com

[minor heron]

Where it says Single segment video evidence is required. Does it refer to all runs should be streamed

[sacred thunder]

No ? It just says that you should have one video that has the whole speedrun you want to summit
And that that video should not cut in the middle or something, it needs to be "one segment"

[minor heron]

This is to avoid splicing I imagine?

But with the dream drama I would imagine like a person that didn't have any past history with speedrunning gets the wr randomly it would be pretty sus

[formal bough]

I mean that's just the general policy of speedruns; the idea is to have a single long video recording. so you can watch them all

[minor heron]

Yeah, the thing is kinda want to start speedrunning and my internet is pretty shit so streaming is not an option for me

[minor heron]

That's why I thought like streaming was necessary

[vagrant warren]

There are some communities that require runs to be streamed, or at least the top runs, but hollow knight isn't one of them.

[formal bough]

well the thing is is that somebody without any past history with speedrunning won't get a wr on their first run lol. they'll have done previous runs and submitted those and suddenly have had past history

[shell spindle]

Unless they only want to submit wr

[steady lynx]

If someone submitted any% WR as their first run, I'd not want to be the person verifying that

[shell spindle]

Lmao

Imagine it’s like blackmoon (idk who is top speed runner rn) but alt

[steady lynx]

Blackmoon, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time

[shell spindle]

See

Back in the cotton days

[stiff rune]

Blackmoon was the first person to ever do Radiant P5

[halcyon pewter]

I see

[light path]

There is sometimes a case where someone doesn’t submit their runs until they are content with a certain time, and often they can be verified by doing a live run/practice or in person speedrun. Also they will probably have a presence on the speedrunning discord so people know they are legit

[lyric fjord]

I beat the game in 5 minutes

Too many glitches

And I did the ab rad ending

@river axle

[river axle]

@lyric fjord tails

[hidden sundial]

This is very frequent, and I only submitted one run ever. Will definitely not submit my next improvement unless it's significative enough to bother verifiers.

[halcyon pewter]

Id flukenest effective for Markoth ?
Like how much damage it does if Markoth is moving

[chrome cypress]

If someone could help me figure out why I have an extra 2% compared to milky id really appreciate it. I've looked through everything that gives you completion and i have no idea what they skipped out on

[tardy lion]

False knight is percentage

Wait, you have +2% percentage compared to this run (you have 49%)?

[chrome cypress]

yeah ill wind up with 49%

[chrome cypress]

dont you need to kill him for the pantheons?

[tardy lion]

Iirc false knight appears regardless, that’s what the wiki says, should check that tho

[chrome cypress]

also i did do the skip on the second trial so have that count as not complete

[chrome cypress]

bruhh

[tardy lion]

Can you send your run ?

[chrome cypress]

yeah i can let me finish this p1 run

[chrome cypress]

wait is it false knight or city crest that gives the %?

my lord 31 minutes for p1 all bindings

ill send the save now

[chrome cypress]

i THINK this is it

if its not lmk, ive never messed with saves so idk exactly which is which

also i do have more saves on, hence the 10

[tardy lion]

False knight iirc

[chrome cypress]

rip, whats the other 1%?

[tardy lion]

No that’s not a mistake with your run it’s with milky’s run

[chrome cypress]

also in my run i didnt get VS (which is 1%), but milky did get it, so really i should be 1% below them right?

[tardy lion]

Can you send all three (in the file you took this from, there are three files that have “1” at the end, these correspond to the data for save number 1)

[tardy lion]

Yeah

[shell spindle]

Wait why mantis lords are they necessary for true ending

[chrome cypress]

these are all the ones for my save file, is it these or am i mistaken?

[tardy lion]

Oh

[chrome cypress]

my save slot 1 is empty rn

[mossy brook]

The .dat file contains all that you need

[tardy lion]

Nevermind then I didn’t realise you were on modded

Should be fine

[chrome cypress]

how did they have a mistake and end up with a % less?

[tardy lion]

Did you get long nail to get out of crosswards then?

[chrome cypress]

no

i had the baulder spit on me to damage boost closer

[tardy lion]

Damn

[chrome cypress]

so i also dont have that

[mossy brook]

?

Are you sure you don't have 46 instead of 49 lol

[chrome cypress]

yeah i have 46% rn but ill get 3 more from pantheons

you get the % from beating them right?

its not unlocking them

[tardy lion]

yes

[chrome cypress]

yeah so ill end up with 49% when i finish them

[chrome cypress]

so whats the difference with their run? i heard someone say earlier that you cant even do their run anymore

[tardy lion]

Not sure, currently opening your file and looking what bosses and stuff you did, will take quite a while

is mossy forced?

(do you have to do massive moss charger for the pantheons?)

[steady lynx]

Yes

[chrome cypress]

the only one i know you can skip is god tamer and now false knight

i have no idea why it even lets you skip some

also im not seeing anywhere someone saying you can skip false knight, could you send a link to where you saw that

i might even start a new save and just get to godhome rq just to check

ah

but vengefly king isnt a % so that wont matter

[tardy lion]

@chrome cypress

Dude

You killed the dreamers

[chrome cypress]

oh what you dont need to do that 😭

[tardy lion]

No

XD

[wild needle]

whaattttt

[chrome cypress]

i kinda merged runs cus i wanted to kill radiance also

thats crazy lmao

so ill end up with 46%?

[tardy lion]

Yeah

[wild needle]

lmaoooo

[chrome cypress]

thats crazy i had no idea you could skip them lmao

[tardy lion]

I’m still amazed you actually got out of crossroads without vs or longnail

[wild needle]

all this guy does is play hk im telling you

[chrome cypress]

if you get lantern you can get into resting grounds through crystal peak and grab dream nail, then you can just keep dream nailing the baulder for infinite soul and keep healing

it just took a bit of back and forth but its not too bad with dream nail

[tardy lion]

Smort

[chrome cypress]

without dream nail it would suck though since you have hardly any wiggle room to miss

but still possible

[tardy lion]

But this means you need to do p5 without VS

[chrome cypress]

ill for sure do another run though and actually record and stream this one though since idk if anyone else has done this run before

[chrome cypress]

yeah ill be alr, itll just take a while

maybe a few attempts at worst (ofc flukemarm and collector are gonna be the worst)

[tardy lion]

Good luck

[chrome cypress]

tyty

[tardy lion]

Ascended collector is a demon from hell

[chrome cypress]

ong

and flukemarm is so bad when it takes three hits to kill each guy

[tardy lion]

Yeah it sounds like a nightmare

[chrome cypress]

not to mention abs rad takes ~440 nail hits to kill without spells 😭

what would the acronym for this run be?

a steel soul low% p5 ending

and is there any videos of other people doing it?

[tardy lion]

Does steel soul factor in?

Like is there a place where you could have used a shade skip?

If not then it’s “just” GodHomeLow%, if yes then it’s Steel Soul GodHomeLow%

[chrome cypress]

no i dont think so

theres an easier setup for the baulder kill where you use the shade to hit you into the baulder but i think thats it

other than faster routing ofc

but since you need to get so much stuff anyways you dont need to do a shade skip

also you do NEED dive to get into godhome right

[tardy lion]

Yeah

Also for a bunch of bosses

[chrome cypress]

only boss you need it for is flukemarm

[tardy lion]

Really?

[chrome cypress]

i wound up doing that one almost last becuase i didnt want to pick dive up lol

[chrome cypress]

yeah 100%

[tardy lion]

Didn’t know that, cool

[chrome cypress]

all i had left after i got dive was hive knight and obloobles

and you have to get tram pass for hive knight right?

[tardy lion]

It isn’t % anyway

[chrome cypress]

yeah thats true

but originally this was a challenge run so i avoided getting it but couldnt see a way around it

[weary root]

You also need it to get to godhome

[chrome cypress]

yeah sadly

would be so cool if you could do the run without dive

cus it would be spell-less

[weary root]

That would be cool

There was some challenge that was popular a while back which was all bindings with nail 0 and white spells

Would be cool to have one with no spells

Cursed tho

[chrome cypress]

yeah itll suck to do 😭

[wild needle]

bro

honestly

just lock in

good luck

you got this

[chrome cypress]

i hope so

😭

[tardy lion]

Did people actually do it?

Bc all bindings is already pretty rare

[chrome cypress]

oh i forgot to respond to this lol

the run i just did has all bindings, nail 0, and only dive

but it was p1

the runs take so long it was almost 32 minutes 😭

and thats with nail turn arounds for more dps

[weary root]

Yeah it was mostly Chinese runners, where pantheons and AB are more popular

[tardy lion]

Do you know if these are on yt or on the Chinese app?

Bc I searched for it a while ago and couldn’t find any

[weary root]

If you search in the speedrunning server for "old nail white spells" a bunch of things will show up

Apparently they're adding hitless into it

[chrome cypress]

you need voidheart to do the p5 ending right?

[tardy lion]

Yeah

Otherwise p5 won’t open

[chrome cypress]

ah

just wanted to make sure tyty

so when you skip false knight that doesnt count as a % right?

[tardy lion]

Yeah

That does mean you can’t do failed champion tho

So you’d need to get more trees

[chrome cypress]

does white defender count as a %?

i dont think it does

that would be a good replacement

and actually i think you get enough from other dreamers, you dont even have to beat him i think

[weary root]

You need to kill the dreamers before you can fight white defender

[chrome cypress]

oh thats true

[tardy lion]

Hmm

You might actually need to farm essence

[chrome cypress]

im pretty sure on my run i had 2200 so without failed champion id have enough anyways

[tardy lion]

Without failed champion and without white defender

[weary root]

Funnily gpz doesn't add % either but then you'd have to fight him in pantheons

[chrome cypress]

i didnt even get white defender or zote on mine and had 2200

[tardy lion]

Oh

Then it’s fine

[chrome cypress]

yeah i saved zote on my challenge run just for the honor of the run but it would probably be better to just skip him on a run like this

[tardy lion]

You did what

You need to do flukemarm, ascended collector, GPZ and absrad in p5

God save you

[chrome cypress]

also when you were going though my save did you notice if i was missing anything else?

like would i be able to do the p5 ending with everything on that

id just do the other pantheons and check myself but i just got called into work and dont have time 😭

[tardy lion]

Not that I saw

[tardy lion]

Could is a very strong word, but theoretically yes

Oh you didn’t say could

I’m dumb

[chrome cypress]

alr, i just wanted to make sure that the % would be right on that file

but im not seeing anything that i missed either

[chrome cypress]

lol ur alg

[tardy lion]

Btw, this won’t help you with p5, but if you get tired of the collector in p3, you could get it to spawn 4 vengeflies, and not kill them, then it won’t spawn any more creatures

And as a bonus 100 seconds after they spawn their AI dies and they just float in place

[chrome cypress]

yeah thats what i did to beat him outside of the pantheon since it was steel soul, and i noticed the wiki was wrong about the amount it spawns lol

[tardy lion]

Wdym wrong?

[chrome cypress]

wiki says max summons is 5 then 6

but it stops when its at 4

but ig it could get that high if there was 3 then he spawned

well ig thats what it means

😭

[tardy lion]

Yeah if there are 3 it can still spawn three more

[chrome cypress]

yeah ig its just a weird way of spawning

since itll stop at 4, but it can get to 5 or 6

[chrome cypress]

nvm the sick guy started feeling better 🎉

[chrome cypress]

i just hopped back on the save and yeah i have access to p4, and since i can do this and have void heard isnt that all you need to get the ending?

[tardy lion]

Yes

[chrome cypress]

cool stuff

also i noticed something when i was going through my percentages

so on my run i killed false knight, which isnt required but adds a %

then i also got the three dreamers

which totals to 4%

extra

and my run would be 49% total

which means i could get 45%

am i missing something, or did i just shave off 2% from the previous low%?

and if i did what else did i do to save another % besides not getting VS?

well the other % IS false knight

and its been done before, low % is 45% not 47% 😭

WAIT

they do it in not steel soul

still hasnt been done in steel soul 😭

[bronze dagger]

in which version of hollow knight the world record has been done ?

[vagrant warren]

Versions are separated on the leader board, and zo are categories. So it depends which world record you're talking about. And you can just look for yourself on speedrun.com

[bronze dagger]

I think it's skateking's one, but I'm gonna check
It's because there's a room in city of tears which is separated on my version and not on the speedruns I watch

[vagrant warren]

If you're watching 1221 and playing on current patch, then yeah. Many rooms were split

[cyan elm]

what would yall call a good time for a casual player to get dive

[sturdy glade]

Whatever you feel good with

[light path]

i think because the 47% was before itemless baulder, and the only other method of getting out of crossroads was TAS fog canyon (all other methods of getting out of crossroads either require a glitch or a percent)

[twin horizon]

I don't know if people know about this or if it saves any time. But I found this.
(This is on the newest patch)

If it does save time it's very little.

[chrome cypress]

oh thats actually super cool

im not sure if it saves time for this spell though since most runs dont get it, but if they do get it im sure that would save a little time

[twin horizon]

I'm sure the same can be done for desolate dive too.
But not any dark variants due to them not being the same hitboxes.

[steady lynx]

I think this can be done by cyclone slashing into the spell as well

[twin horizon]

Oh.
Well you'd get cyclone slash alot later to be fair.

[halcyon pewter]

If you are talking about any% Or speedrun 2 achievement
If u wana get d dark too I recommend getting Howling wraiths and get nail 1 and then dive after that get lamp for c peaks
Or you can take the much faster route shade skip into d nail and city and Then get dive before watchers
Or Don't get dive at all

[chrome cypress]

me and a friend of mine want to get into any% speedrunning, whats a good guide to follow for the route?

i know fireborn has a good guide, but its kinda old now and i know theres some things you can change out to save time (like getting the geo around the moss knights, or getting ismas tear instead of crystal heart)

[formal bough]

The best place for this question would be the #low- percent channel of the speedrun discord (linked in pins). I don't believe there are up to date guides other than just watching the current wr, but I might be wrong

you mean low% not any% right?

well moss knights geo is any% you wouldn't go near them in low%

[chrome cypress]

OH

i didnt mean to say low% lol

i meant any% :p

[steady lynx]

I'm more concerned about how you'd get Isma's in low%

[formal bough]

I didn't read the whole message either tbf

[steady lynx]

For any% nmg Gwonkee is currently working on a guide, I think, but the easiest way to learn is probably pest's guide right now?

Maybe Lep, but that's mostly setup stuff

[balmy river]

I'm starting to get into any% speedrunning (by that I mean I've practically just started) and I'm trying to get the auto split timer thing set up and I've done everything it says to do in speedrun.com and it still won't start when I start a save. The timer won't start when it's suppose to. I've done what it says to do in the QnA section but that didn't fix it. And if it helps I'm using the version of hollow knight from xbox game pass. Thanks to anyone that helps.

[chrome cypress]

you could try using this layout, it has all the any% autosplits already setup

i used that and followed the guide your talking about and it worked fine on the steam version, if that doesnt work then it might be the xbox version sadly

[balmy river]

Thanks for the help, I'll try it out

[halcyon storm]

Is there a separate discord for soeedrunning

[stiff rune]

Yes

Check the pins

[halcyon storm]

Huge

Ty

[exotic forge]

hey im not a serious speedrunner but i wanna get the >5hr and >10hr achivements (im a completionist) and was wondering if my current pace was good

im at the crystal guardian bench at 1H 46M. no dreamers, no skills except dash, spells are base dive and spirit

ive beat the game twice so far, but its been a while since ive played

[halcyon pewter]

Fall from peaks and get d dark And d nail
Get shaman and enter city 2
Beat watchers
Get isma if u can't acid skip
Go to monomn through crossroads
Then go to the breakable Wall in. Fungal waste to deepnest entrance

No wings btw

[shell spindle]

<5hr and <10hr iirc

[exotic forge]

Thx

Already got wings so I decided to restart

Will use those tips in the future tho

I learned wings are a bit time waste in speedruns

[cosmic crypt]

hey i know that you walk slower in dirtmouth so is it optimal to jump instead

[formal bough]

yes

[cosmic crypt]

also compleaitnists are good as somone who has all acheivments and pantheons all bindings

[halcyon pewter]

What

[opaque cobalt]

do 112% or other 1.4.3.2 category speedruns use specifically 1432 or just current patch?