speedrunning

[stable quarry]

Helo

[coral shore]

skip to particularly monomon is allowed anyway since core lure

[grizzled echo]

who holds the world record

I watched fireB0rn and it was insane

[weary root]

any% wr is 4m36s by staxis

[mossy brook]

Is there any reason they did it on 1.5.75 instead of 1.5.78

[stable quarry]

None that matters for that category but elovator storage was patched out in 1578. So 1575 is the better 1.5 patch for glitched runs

[supple lagoon]

Ekkotet how r u?

[stable quarry]

Also we use 1.5 instead of 1.4 because then you can atchally open your inventory.
Unless it's a super short category like Myla% where 1.4 is optimal because of the 1 secound shorter intro cutseene

[stable quarry]

Wdym

Idk this Ekkotet

For a sec I though you where talking to me

[stable quarry]

[supple lagoon]

I was talking to you

[lofty flare]

Ekkotet moment

[coral shore]

It's about sending a message

[steady lynx]

A lot of runners just don't have 1578 installed because 1575 is just the cooler 1578

1575 is really the only 1.5 worth having

And this is coming from the guy who has 1.0.1.1 and 1.0.3.1 installed

[lofty flare]

Is 1578 better for collector tho?

[steady lynx]

They're the same

[stable quarry]

I'm doing well, just started practicing any% RMG yesterday
How about you?

[supple lagoon]

worse now

[stable quarry]

Why?

[ionic trail]

guys where is the channel for the custom knight mod

[supple lagoon]

#1057825333841240104

[jovial cave]

so just asking if anyone here speedruns this a lot but how many skips are possible in the latest version? since the ones i see are older ones

[formal bough]

at least 7

[jovial cave]

can you still bounce on shade projectile and that homing spore?

[formal bough]

yes to shade projectile, and no to homing spore but there's a different method to epogo still

[jovial cave]

how different is it

[formal bough]

take your pick

[jovial cave]

im willing to argue bout some skips being more tech tbh

cause it involves only the use of the mechanics and not something like out of bounds shenanigans

[rapid nest]

out of bounds shenanigans only use mechanics

[jovial cave]

game breaking ones

[rapid nest]

ah yes, the very game breaking mechanic of jumping

[jovial cave]

i mean like

youre not really intended to go outside a level ans shoot up to the atmosphere like in doom eternal

[jovial cave]

but in hk something like using shade pogos to get to the lake early

[rapid nest]

you're also not intended to pogo spores to get to claw through an alternate entrance

[jovial cave]

well i did say some

the ones that pop up to me are the lake, crystal hearting one pixel walls in like queens garden and using dash slash on the one lever in the city

[rapid nest]

iirc none of those are intended

[sturdy glade]

the only known intended skip is the spire pogo i believe

and it's very logical to assume fca is intentional given the room

[rapid nest]

i mean surely false knight skip is intentional

[sturdy glade]

Nope

[carmine cypress]

Can someone please help me try to better understand how to do queens garden QGA

I got crossroads qga in a short time my first try but this one is just giving me so much trouble

All i can find to help is to use audio ques to know when to start C dashing but i can't hear any audio ques that would help??

[sturdy glade]

there's no exact cue on when to cdash

but there is a consistent time after the wall grab

you'll need to figure out if you're cdashing late or early

[carmine cypress]

That's the thing

I really cant tell

I've practiced clinging the wall and cdashing away from the acid and i can do it somewhat consistently

But then when it gets to actually doing it it just feels completely different

[sturdy glade]

how is that different

[carmine cypress]

I'm not sure

It may be the stress of the acid itself

But then again I'm just trying to learn it and there's no big downside if i dont

And messing up is completely fine so

I'm almost sure I'm trying to cdash too early

[sturdy glade]

try intentionally cdashing later then

[carmine cypress]

Well, currently holding cdash doubting I'll get the wall cling

I'm probably too low

Well then-
Nvm i guess 💀

[sturdy glade]

uh

yeah

[carmine cypress]

Well, guess i don't need isma's now

[sturdy glade]

ismas is slower than just deepnest route

unless you do the funny

[rapid nest]

[sturdy glade]

slopeball of all time

[rapid nest]

any any% shriek route enjoyers

[sturdy glade]

any any% 1114 dgate route enjoyers

[carmine cypress]

Yeah, im tryna just get through a casual playthrough while learning some Speedrun strats cause this is the kind of game I'd want to Speedrun-

Did just die and have to redo the qga again or lose my geo tho ;-;

I think I'm gonna have to just lose my shade tho cause pretty sure I just got lucky

[coral shore]

Getting lucky is just the first step to getting good

[weary root]

<@&283547423706447872>

[grim iron]

What happened?

[steady lynx]

Eisog wanted to ping the mods

[weary root]

yeah it's all a power trip

[grim iron]

Oh

I thought someone else broke the rule

[lofty flare]

Eisog moment

[stable quarry]

QGA stands for Queens Guardens Acidskip btw, we call the asid skip in crossroads for FCA for Fog Canyon Acidskip

[viscid sparrow]

Acid*

[stable quarry]

Ty lol

[carmine cypress]

Oh, nice, didn't know that

Thanks

[knotty vigil]

Does obs work with mac?

[formal bough]

yeah

[knotty vigil]

ok

[lofty flare]

Henlo

[cedar geyser]

I would have a great new speedrun category idea any radiance% (The speedrun where you kill any radiance

[stable quarry]

I'm pretty sure that would just be GE

Wait any not absrad

Then that allready is a thing kinda

[cedar geyser]

yay any radiance

[finite heart]

Yeah “True Ending”

[stable quarry]

Any radiance is a modded version of absrad made to be way harder

[steady lynx]

Would go amazingly well on the very active modded runs board

The entire board has less total run time than me

[rugged vector]

I’ve been trying to speed run hollow knight for a year now and for practice I try to beat the eternal ordeal, I finally beat it. And I’m so overjoyed. My speed run time when I get to watcher knights is usually 25min~ but I always have trouble beating them because I start to doubt I can

Anyways, I just wanted to share something with the hollow knight community since my friends don’t play the game

[steady lynx]

Don't worry about not being great at WK starting out, even fireb0rn probably struggled with them at first

[rugged vector]

Thanks! I’ve been watching a lot of runs to see what his path was like. It took me for a giant loop when he didn’t stop for descending dark but it takes super long so I get it. I just rely too much on it.

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it does deal a lot of damage and gives you iframes

Really useful for not dying to video game bosses

[mild knot]

Nice job on eternal ordeal. Good luck on watcher knights

[rugged vector]

Thanks dude!

[nova bolt]

I’m trying to beat it rn and I was wondering what charms you would recommend

[rugged vector]

The charms I used were hive blood, shamans stone, heroic odor, and I think long nail- the main reason I have hive blood is because then I don’t have to worry about healing too much. Shamans stone for obvious reasons, long nail mainly so that I can pogo the zotes easier and knock them back better and heroic odor is actually very useful in doing extra damage to other enemies, especially when there’s several like in eternal ordeal

Long explanation but I love talking about charm combinations, I feel like hive blood is a bit slept on but I get why since a lot of experienced people don’t need to heal in battles and it takes a lot of notches

[tacit scarab]

Wk was my biggest problem when I started just give it time and practice I'm sure u will get better 🙂

[rugged vector]

Thank you! I’m glad I’m not the only one that struggles with this! They are a very overwhelming boss when you first fight them. I’m also really bad for running away from them instead of doing the 2 hit, spell and 2hit again combo firb0rn does

[stable quarry]

I just got a 37minnute time in any% but I still struggle with WK. Though way less now than back when my pb was a 1:07

It's a really hard fight, though getting a nail upgrade or a spell upgrade does help. Not sure what point your at but for sub hour a spell upgrade is still wery viable

[rugged vector]

Wow! Thats a really good time! Yea nail upgrade would definitely help, I might start getting that. Usually what I do is safety bench and give myself 2 tries to beat them and restart the run if I can’t. I think it took me four tries last time, they’re super draining. Usually my runs last I would say 44-1h because of watcher nights and thk

[stable quarry]

The nail 1 route only affects a couple splits
-after mantis claw, don’t savequit. Go back up through the room you entered mantis village from, and pick up the journal on the right, then savequit.
-Spire bench is mandatory, because you’ll use it after nail 1 to get back to watchers
-after killing the big lever boi in spire, you go to left side of city instead of straight up
-after dropping down the big room in left side city, don’t go directly to lemm, take the bottom left exit, and go pick up the seal at the top of the rafters. Then come back, sell all to lemm, and savequit
-you don’t need to pick up watcher knights seal, or go to left side city after lurien at all, you can just drop back down spire
-Violetblight

Sending this just so you don't do some silly routing for nail 1 like 2 lem trips

[rugged vector]

Sweet! Thanks for the help dude! I was gonna do some silly route not gonna lie u u I think my plan was to go past from where you have to do the pogo skip to get to watcher knights. Go past the statue In city of tears, skip lemm and go to get a nail upgrade, but I wouldn’t have enough geo in the end if I skipped all the lemm stuff. So I’ll use your route instead

[lofty flare]

Ekko

Ekko, if you don’t mind me calling you that btw, would you be willing to help me a bit when I TAS the skips for TE route, just to make sure it’s optimal, I might actually starting with any% so that’ll be even better

[stable quarry]

So you want me to see if I can spot mistakes in your tas?

[lofty flare]

Literally yes. I basically just want help making sure the skips are optimal, because some, like vengefly pogo, have different types for TAS and humans, and while I know you aren’t a TAS, it may be helpful to have a better speedrunner give insight.

[stable quarry]

I would ask Pika or Jarlyk tbh but sure I can look trough tas is uchally fun to watch anyways

[lofty flare]

I sometimes do ask pika in TAS server

But Jarlyk is a bit more unavailable, still trying very active in TAS discord tho.

[coral shore]

I bet CC could help and look at your te tas to spot mistakes

[lofty flare]

[mild knot]

Hey I should’ve said this earlier but you can insta kill 1 knight before the battle starts so you don’t have to fight 6 just five. Just go up and drop a chandelier on him.

[knotty vigil]

Gotta Go Fast

[rugged vector]

Oh ya I do that! I still have trouble sometimes with the knights. It’s mainly the opening that gets me! Thank you tho

[mild knot]

No problem

But hey I made a mod that’s like pantheon 5 radiant you know how they call it r5

Well mine goes all the way to 35

But I’m not done the 35th one

[rugged vector]

I’m not too familiar with the terms for pantheons- what does the 35 mean :O/

[mild knot]

Never mind

[rugged vector]

Bro I can’t beat pantheon 3 i don’t think I can beat one that’s 35 LOL

[mild knot]

I was gonna make a joke

[rugged vector]

OH LOL

[radiant carbon]

Lets not next time

[mild knot]

I don’t even know how someone could make a p35

Or how someone would beat it radiant

[lofty flare]

Based opening in a wall filled with blasted sand.

[grizzled echo]

Which areas in order do I need to go through to get the achievements for beating it in 1 hour

[weary root]

there's a guide in the pins for the achievements

[rapid nest]

godhome, forgotten crossroads, fog canyon, black egg iirc

also possibly fungal if you count the leg eater root i guess

[steady lynx]

Technically KP and Dirtmouth count as Howling Cliffs so

[coral shore]

I agree

[steady lynx]

Python do you like this epic speedrun strat?

[rapid nest]

[coral shore]

[weary root]

[steady lynx]

I knew you'd love it

[lofty flare]

[visual crown]

Wha- what just happend

[weary root]

it's called an airwalk jump
if you look at the first jump it looks different to the second
the second one he has an airwalk - the game thinks you're on the ground when you're not
jumping out of an airwalk is very difficult but it's consistent if you press jump the frame after unpausing

and the door hitbox only goes up to a certain height on older patches lol

[visual crown]

I didn't know that was a thing, thanks for the info

[visual crown]

Oh, i tought you just nocliped

[grizzled echo]

👍

[fresh vine]

They told me that Hollow Knight was difficult.

[digital jewel]

who said that

[steady lynx]

Probably Trinomi

[knotty vigil]

does anyone know a good true ending speedrun tutorial

[rapid nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRAGQwQN1oM

[junior wadi]

Is that 112%?

[fresh vine]

Shit you got me

[junior wadi]

Is that a yes?

I was asking an honest question

[fresh vine]

I'm sorry

Any %

[junior wadi]

Oh

I think my run was like 2:30

Could’ve been lower if I didn’t die in the abyss 5 times 💀

Never speedrunning in the abyss ever again

[fresh vine]

Actually in that run I didn't go to the abyss and I went only for the dreamers and I only died once against the Hollow.

But now I'm trying a no-hit run, any %, and it's the first one I've done.

I also started doing another run where I just went to the abyss to find the pale mineral that is protected by the two mini mawleks.

So it's not that bad and it would be the 5th time I've passed the game.

It would be one less if they hadn't stopped paying for the gamepass.

[stable quarry]

That is in ancient basin

[pastel flower]

Hello everyone, I found a micro-optimization (maybe not but the WR dont do this) in the King's pass. I made a comparaison clip, Hope it can be useful for few people

[steady lynx]

RNG softfall? People just don't go for that because it's inconsistent

[pastel flower]

I do this more than 10 times in a raw and I don't have any falling animation

Maybe I am lucky ? Dunno

[coral shore]

do you have QoL installed?

It's absolutely rng, the chance of getting it is about 1/3-1/4

[pastel flower]

QoL ?

[coral shore]

Quality of Life mod

[pastel flower]

Nop, I'm in 1.2.2.1 without any mod

And I really think it's not just luck, I pass it a lot of time in a raw

[analog pawn]

Anyways, it saves 0.3 over guaranteed softfall but has 1/4 odd of getting it. If you don't get it you lose 0.8 to so 0.5 to going for the guaranteed softfall

the only categories that do it are shorter ones like 4ms

[coral shore]

wtf I do it because not going for it is a skissue

(for clarity - it's rng, the skill issue part is a joke)

[analog pawn]

yeah I was thinking about writing that some people go for it anyways

[coral shore]

Unless it's 1221 exclusive or 1211 breaks it, which are both unlikely

although I can kinda believe in the latter

[analog pawn]

people go for the hardfall cancel instead on 1221 and I don't think runners just have missed that rng softfall is consistent there

[vagrant warren]

Knowing how finicky 1221 is my guess is maybe there's a part of it effected by framerate and yours happens to be on a range that's usually good

[analog pawn]

blessed by tft

[late raven]

how do you trigger this

[coral shore]

trigger what

[analog pawn]

The softfall is rng

[steady lynx]

What if I were to tell you that even the max jump height is RNG

[mossy brook]

How big is the margin?

A few pixels at best I hope lol

[coral shore]

I bet the rng is also rng

[steady lynx]

Not even a few pixels

It's like a 1/100 of a unity unit

Same with pogo height but that causes some issues for us

It's apparently also less on 1.5 than earlier patches, but idk what a 1.5 even is so

[minor kiln]

Hey anyone knows a true ending fluke route?

[steady lynx]

This is the question we've been preparing for

Yeah vali routed it like 2 years ago

[stable quarry]

#822611746086715423 message

[minor kiln]

I can't acces that channel it says #unknown

[mossy brook]

It's in the speedrunning server

(Link in pins)

[minor kiln]

Thanks

[lucid heron]

guys so i downpatched cause i wanna try speedrunning but every time i go to the menu my attack doesent work and i have to input teh keybind again anyone know why?

[mossy brook]

Let me guess, you have bound those buttons to a mouse button?

[lucid heron]

yes of course

[mossy brook]

You need a program called blue.exe to avoid the problem (binds mouse keys to keyboard inputs)

[lucid heron]

oof

[mossy brook]

You can find it by joining the speedrun server (linked in pins) and searching blue.exe

[lucid heron]

k

thx

[coral shore]

i like the "of course"

[mossy brook]

Doesn't everyone use their mouse in a 2d game smh

[lofty flare]

Turquoise has side button support which is nice.

And I just realized it is called that because it combines blue (main buttons) with a theoretical green.exe (side buttons)

[lofty flare]

Yeah, the controller players jury rigged a left click button.

Fuck accidental reply ping I tried to turn it off and clicked send, sry Thommie!

[mossy brook]

It's fine

[cursive arch]

im just starting out, does anyone have any advice on the spike double aspid kill. Im too slow when hitting the spike it seems. How can i be faster

[finite heart]

Its about timing. Look at other runs. They’ll watch the aspids coming into the room to time when to go for the spike.

[cursive arch]

i dont think that my problem is my reaction timing but my timing when hitting the spike

it ends up here after hitting it

[stable quarry]

1221 or 1432+

[cursive arch]

1221 @stable quarry

[stable quarry]

I reccomend this setup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya96rJqDEIo

[delicate saffron]

Are there any resources or guides for speedrunning the fifth pantheon?

[steady lynx]

Join pinned server, open the chat named il-combat, ask there

[delicate saffron]

OK thank you

[low vapor]

I got the sub 2 hours in my second try not bad

that place me the 712th

[stable quarry]

What patch?

Also if your on pc then you should use livesplit. Neatly tracks your progress abd saves ~5min

[low vapor]

I'm on switch so the last

[stable quarry]

Then you should time it rta and compare to console boards I doubt there are even 700 summitted runs there tbh

[stable quarry]

On switch leaderboard last place is 57 so free sub 60

[low vapor]

yes I see xD

[lofty flare]

Hey SR chat!

Should i TAS the ooma core dmg boost?

just that part of the 10% low%

[formal bough]

go for it, seems like it would be funny to see

[lofty flare]

Alr, I’ll get 3, use 1 to get there, one for the insta kill, one for monomon ig, but I might not do the instakill bc that alone took CC 6 hours

[rapid nest]

you need 2 for monomon

[coral shore]

Rose I didn't recognize you at first

[rapid nest]

[steady lynx]

I think the general strategy to make it possible would be to first use Oumas to kill Uumuu and then quitout and get 3 to do the trip to Monomon

[rapid nest]

getting to the uumuu arena while trying to prevent 2 cores from exploding sounds awful

[coral shore]

it's almost like there is a reason it wasn't tased before

[steady lynx]

At least we won't consider it humanly possible unless a human does it in a full run

[rapid nest]

brb

[steady lynx]

No Rose

Run low% NMMS instead

[lofty flare]

Probably, will be what I will do.

I might be able to just use 1 or 2, could be possible to get an epogo off of one and then wcs, but you can’t keep the momentum with wcs without dash iirc.

[dim lake]

Got my first sub hour woo

[stable quarry]

Just superslide

Tbh would be really useful and barely breaks the nmg rules👀

[rapid nest]

we have very different definitions of "barely"

[lyric holly]

should i try speedruning?

[wicked trench]

Do you want to try?

[lyric holly]

yes

[wicked trench]

So try it!
I'd say start by just completing the game somewhat fast, and then implement strats from expert speedrunners
If you didn't, watch someone speedrun and ask questions, it's the easiest way to learn new stuff in my opinion (compared to reading documents)
Take your time and don't rush learning, the first steps are the hardest, then once you are in you'll have quite an amount of fun

[lyric holly]

oki thanks!

[analog pawn]

Also, join the pinned server. Most resources are there

[lofty flare]

I have never heard of this trick and I am now intrigued

[lofty flare]

This is a monomon dashless cdashless ismasless TAS, I rly don’t care about rules for a segment just to show some random tricks.

[steady lynx]

To superslide you just play on a good patch and pause right as you kill an enemy

It's a tiny bit fps dependent

[weary root]

pause right as you kill an enemy***

[steady lynx]

With the nail

Preferably not an upslash

[weary root]

technically it would work with vs

dunno if it actually does

[steady lynx]

I think if you somehow paused during the pushback and an enemy died at the same time

[coral shore]

Right as you kill the enemy means like first graphics frame after 3rd physics frame after enemy dies or smth stupid like that

[steady lynx]

It's also a major glitch but don't let that stop you from having fun

[stable quarry]

In wcs you can just hit a wall and you'll superslide btw

[steady lynx]

Is that NMG legal?

I think yes

[stable quarry]

No

[steady lynx]

I'll make it legal

[stable quarry]

@lofty flare

Why did I use my mobile data to upload it again instead of just sending a link

[steady lynx]

Wasting mobile data is fun

[stable quarry]

I have basically speedran that. Aka don't take a speedtest over mobiledata

[steady lynx]

I'll waste mine to send this again

The real permadeath, as in permanently dying

[stable quarry]

Can you even do that without file editing?

[steady lynx]

I had to make the save on 1028 with a room dupe and load it on 1006 so the bottom plane would kill me

You know when you mess up the clawless FK skip and end up at the stag

[lofty flare]

Get the wcs off the above wall, dash and nail swing to transfer the momentum to the opposite direction?

Ok I see it.

[stable quarry]

The opisite direction? I was under the impression you can't change the direction?

From my understanding you just have to cling after hitting the wall while still taking knockback from the nail swing. You can slash against your wcs though

[rapid nest]

so why is this not allowed but dashing with wcs is?

[lofty flare]

Form what I can tell, you nail swing as you dash toward the wall with wcs, reversing the momentum from the dash.

A timed wiggle wcs off the right wall do duck under the wall

Oh Nevermind it might be dashing the other direction

@stable quarry can you send me a link or a download for the video so I can slow it down?

[formal bough]

you can just download a file from discord though?

[lofty flare]

Wait…I just realized…

I forgot that this was low% cdashless ismasless monomon

low% doesn’t get dash

is dashless super slide possible? I wouldn’t think so, ik the hit an enemy version is…

[lofty flare]

Alr ty

[stable quarry]

The only reason I dash here is because I want to dash the other way, you can really just hit the wall and ecs will perserve the momentum

And also dashing resets your fallspeed which slides don't

[still pier]

What patch is stall ball on?

[verbal stag]

anything 1.3+

[still pier]

Ty

[pulsar violet]

hi! so i just installed LiveSplit, and i noticed that the timer doesnt start/pause/reset when i press the button unless i press on the window first, is there any way to change that?

for example, bind the start key to a specific button?

[weary root]

There should be a setting, i think it's called universal hotkeys, that makes the hotkeys work even when it isn't in focus

[pulsar violet]

yes, it works now, thanks!

also its called Global Hotkeys

one more question, will it still work when i play Hollow Knight on controller?

[weary root]

Yeah it will

[pulsar violet]

okay, thanks again!

okay, i installed OBS

it's speedin' time

[pulsar violet]

welp i completed my first "speedrun"

i did a speedrun to kill False Knight and got around 5:25

mainly because i didnt manage to pull off most of the skips and i had to come back because of going to the wrong place

maybe i could have even gotten a sub 5 minute

[stable quarry]

Pretty sure there are only two skips in that run, jinkie pogo and statue pogo

[stable quarry]

Free timesave

[pulsar violet]

Jinkie?

[stable quarry]

Jinkie is the first fly in kp

[pulsar violet]

Oh okay

Yeah, i failed to do it

[stable quarry]

Jankie is the secound one

Jinkie pogo saves <1 sec though so no big deal

[pulsar violet]

the community really named a bunch of vengeflies 💀

[steady lynx]

You'd be amazed at the amount of enemies we've given names

I'm a big fan of Jennifer

[pulsar violet]

which enemy is Jennifer

[steady lynx]

This one

(I don't actually know the name)

[pulsar violet]

of the enemy or the "official" name the community gave her

[steady lynx]

The name TC intended, everyone I talk to just call it Jennifer

And it's Mickely's fault

[vagrant warren]

Jennifers are canonically Leaping Husks (blame TRJR for my knowledge, or hunters journal in AA but then Gusten should also know LOL)

[pulsar violet]

So i redid the False Knight% run, and got a sub 5 minute

Although im not sure where do i start and stop the timer

Do i start the timer when the Knight starts falling or when i can move?

And do i stop the timer when i do the final hit or when the infection stops falling out of the False Knight?

[steady lynx]

I don't know half the actual names of the enemies, I just go like "Bigby, that's 12 kills"

[stable quarry]

You should be able to set a endtriggering autosplit for false knight killed

Isn't Jennifer a spesific one?

[steady lynx]

The main one I can remember is Flukemunga since Monstah

[steady lynx]

It was originally the one west of Gruzmom but now we just call all of them Jennifer

[vagrant warren]

The timer should auto-start if properly configured, and then end triggering split as Ekkoet said

[steady lynx]

Shoutouts to the part of AA that we just nammed "Jennicide"

[stable quarry]

Lol

[vagrant warren]

Gusten play more rando to increase your game knowledge

[stable quarry]

Omg Colette wrote my name👀

[steady lynx]

But Colette, I'd have to figure out how to use mods then

[stable quarry]

Glitches are way better anyways

[vagrant warren]

Heres my tutorial: Push a button (to download scarab) push another button (open it) push several more buttons (not even one per mod, dependencies auto install) push one more button (to open the game)

[pulsar violet]

?

[steady lynx]

So small issue, I don't actually have the latest version of HK

I have 1.5.75

[vagrant warren]

That's okay, just one more button to press

[steady lynx]

So what you're telling me is that I should run back AA

I only ran it 7 times so far

[stable quarry]

I see an empty glitched board

[steady lynx]

There's another more important empty board in low%

[stable quarry]

You have livesplit right? If you set the game as Hollow Knight then you should be able to activate the autosplitter

[pulsar violet]

really?

but still, when should i stop the timer? When the final hit lands or when the infection stops flowing out? (False Knight)

[stable quarry]

The auto splitter will stop it for you

[steady lynx]

Also 100% AG, gotta bother python about that later

[pulsar violet]

so i dont have to add any splits? does it just detect when it dies or what?

[vagrant warren]

You do need to add splits, including an end triggering split

The auto splitter won't work properly without splits

[pulsar violet]

is auto splitter included in the normal download or do i have to download it

[vagrant warren]

It just needs to be enabled

[coral shore]

[tight spoke]

Hey what's the any٪ world record atm

[digital jewel]

4m 36s

[supple lagoon]

What patch

[steady lynx]

Come on Xero

At least include milliseconds

[bitter venture]

i kinda want to get the 3 speedrun achivment

i need a clear route and all right?

and practice on bosses right?

[cosmic perch]

Yeah there's a guide in pinned messages

[bitter venture]

oh thank you

also i kinda want to get into real speedrunning

like competetive one

i see there's a server for that

[cosmic perch]

Mhm, you'll definitely wanna join

[bitter venture]

yea

now i just need to learn how to speedrun

||on switch||

il like israel?

[cosmic perch]

That's rough, but there are a few ppl I've seen in the speedrun server that have ran on switch

IL=individual level

[bitter venture]

oh

[bitter venture]

i get it
i know a lot of country names and the short names for them so thats why i was confuzzed

[steady lynx]

There aren't a lot of people who currently run on console sadly enough

[bitter venture]

oh i get it

i just need to learn everything ig

ig i wont be like someone on the first 500 ppl but ig with enough work i can learn everything

maybe even do some 112% speedruns

i just need to do the pantheons first lol

[digital jewel]

lmao

[bitter venture]

what do you want

if you know a lot country names you just learn the short names for them

like Il for israel

uk for united knigdom

br for brazil

[steady lynx]

DK for Donkey Kong

Or Denmark

[bitter venture]

kr for korea

[bitter venture]

dk

donkey kong

dk rap is great

[steady lynx]

Something Something Coconut Gun

[digital jewel]

do not do an israel speedrun

[bitter venture]

?

[stable quarry]

Don't you hold most the console main rekkies?

[steady lynx]

I'm not sure

I know I technically have over 10 records

[stable quarry]

Your probably the best person to ask about console runs though right? Or have you forgotten everything

[sturdy glade]

Doesn't mrsir do switch low% rn?

[stable quarry]

Idk about right now but they did a little while ago..

[tight spoke]

I'm sort of trying to get into speedeunning

It's very hard when I have to reset on mess ups 😭

[sturdy glade]

You don't have to

[tight spoke]

I do it because it wastes like 5 mins of time

[analog pawn]

when starting out just try to finish runs

then you can go about improving it by reducing the amount of mistakes and resetting more

[vagrant warren]

Speedrunners call that timesave for next run. Or, if you're still at the practicing phase, consider some sort of segment practice with debug if you're on pc

[tight spoke]

Im ons5

Ps5

Currently I'm trying to beat hornet in 10 mins> or beat the mantis lords in 20 mins>

I have a question, should I use benches, or should I leave them to save time?

[sturdy glade]

Which benches are you considering

[tight spoke]

The first bench into greenpath, and queens station

And the bench next to mantis lords

Idk, it's just what I came up with, I was able to do it in 48 mins while hitting every stag station and bench, so I thought I can do it in half the time

Noooo hell nah

Mantis lords

Ofc

I couldn't do 100% 💀

Why?

Are they super off course?

Sorry, what's a benchwarp, and what's a shade skip?

I feel old, and I'm not even 18 yet

So that's why I keep ancestral mound

💀

That's not the issue

You did a whole street fighter xyz quadruple axle on that shade to get blue lake

You hit the ↘️➡️⬆️↘️➡️⬆️

[coral shore]

Why would you do te 0 fb shade skip instead of normal any%

Yeah basically you want to only do the first one that Nix showed

[rapid nest]

[coral shore]

the other ones are for more complicated things

[rapid nest]

iirc itemless is optimal

[tight spoke]

Sure I will learn the ↘️➡️⬆️🔀🔄🔃 combo

That shade will be sweating

[coral shore]

well... that's a way to describe just pogo

[tight spoke]

I know, but it looks crazy to me 😭

[coral shore]

the first hit is just to get shade to the point where it will die on the next hit, so we get it back after the skip.
Then you get on a wall to lure shade to a good position, and then pogo from the shade and dash into a wall to cling to it and walljump

[tight spoke]

Yes

⬆️🔀🔄, got it

Seriously though, I'll try when I get there

[coral shore]

You got this!

[tight spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/street-fighter-dan-combo-sfv-street-fighter5-gif-18590485

[grim adder]

whats it take to get into speedrunning HK

[coral shore]

time and desire, + ability to not be afraid of asking stupid question in the pinned server

[rapid nest]

going nyoom iirc

[grim adder]

but whats the learning curve

[coral shore]

depends on different people. And what you are running

Like if you want to start from low%, you probably should reconsider

[grim adder]

i guess ill do any%

is that the same as low%

[coral shore]

Any% has a few really tough spots like watcher knights that I would definitely try to be able to get through, but is in general a decent category many beginners pick (some people including me will tell you it's not fun category but fun is extremely subjective and there are people who will say it's very fun)

[coral shore]

No low% doesn't get dash and also doesn't get shaman stone which makes the run way harder (also the route goes through darknest which makes it even harder)

[grim adder]

ok

i wont ask how they do it without dash

i think spamming vengeful spirit to obliterate everything looks funny

[tight spoke]

I got hk on a new console so I don't have pantheon

So in other words, I cannot practice bosses

😉

[coral shore]

Oh practicing bosses in pantheons isn't ideal anyway

you are better copying savefiles for practice

[tight spoke]

In foresight, I should probably beat the game on my new account first 💀

[coral shore]

I think thats how console runners practice?

[tight spoke]

Copying saves is only a thing on playstation+I'm 90% sure it doesn't work on hk

Orrrr I'm thinking of something else

I do have a playstation,but bc hk has a built-in save system, it's hard to copy saves

I'm considering just doing a speed run to beat the hollow knight and seeing what's up

[grim adder]

how do you do this
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxrTLsPc4v9OfBICjuzWpH2QaqZz6LSt8R

hes facing forward while dashing what is that

[steady lynx]

Just simple Wallcling storage

[grim adder]

what

[clever basin]

how do i do the first greenpath fireball skip consistently

[rapid nest]

jump, turn around, fireball twice, turn around again

[clever basin]

so git gud?

[knotty vigil]

Use quick cast if you aren’t already

[clever basin]

but i am

[stuck raptor]

Then yeah, just git gud. Plus the knowledge that air stalls are mostly for the gravity reset, not for the push back

So do it after the apex of the jump

[ruby basin]

yes hello I am trying to do a steel soul <5h run and was wondering if choosing not to upgrade my nail would noticeably make watcher knights easier

[stuck raptor]

No. They don't scale with nail upgrades

[stray kestrel]

they scale slightly with nail 3 and 4 (240 hp and 260hp respectively, up from 220) which isn't really sigificant enough to make it harder at all

[stuck raptor]

It's not like dream warriors where it actually matters

[jagged vault]

do you mean dream warriors perhaps

[mossy brook]

And if you were to do a <5h run you'll probably not get nail 3 lol

[broken moss]

do you have any tips for any% watcher knights because currently I can only do like two maximum 😭

[steady lynx]

Why would you talk about the achievement here? Do people not read the pins?

[carmine shadow]

No i dont sorry

[vagrant warren]

Maybe people just need more direction to them

?tag pins2

[river axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/985794659894829117/1035994029378256986/unknown.png

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1075236071249555548/IMG_5904.jpg

[uncut sedge]

yall only use pins2 and pins6

?tag pins1

[river axle]

No tag pins1 found.

[uncut sedge]

?tag pins3

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png

[uncut sedge]

boring

?tag pins4

[river axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/933846021207883797.png

[uncut sedge]

?tag pins5

[river axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pins-gif-20404399

[uncut sedge]

?tag pins7

[river axle]

No tag pins7 found.

[uncut sedge]

wait so there's no pins1???

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879286406726451210/880046151410282506/hk_pins.png

[uncut sedge]

?tag pins6

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1075236071249555548/IMG_5904.jpg

[uncut sedge]

goober

[knotty vigil]

This isn’t a place to spam bot commands

[uncut sedge]

sorry

[uncut sedge]

is there a bot/spam channel?

[wraith trellis]

in hk modding yes but not in this server

[uncut sedge]

doesnt that server have different tags tho

[wraith trellis]

some of them are the same, some are differents. it doesn't have all the tag pins#

[mossy brook]

If you wish to find out what all of them do, just search ?tag [insert name of the one you want to see]

?tags

[river axle]

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[steady lynx]

Right before entering gpath?

You need to let the knight start falling a bit before you do the turnaround fb for that

[knotty vigil]

yeah, humans do it all the time

[steady lynx]

Yeah, we do it in like every category

At least before 1.3

[knotty vigil]

well, if you do baldur quick kill its only doable if you enter the room with 2 casts

ah, i see

[steady lynx]

Well, also sometimes not in glitched, we have some funky stuff then

[fresh vine]

No 112

[hazy parcel]

is anyone able to help me with routing really quick?

[digital jewel]

routing what?

[hazy parcel]

112 minimum dashes
except it's just where to go next that I need help with

[steady lynx]

Sounds like max% dashless but you dash 3 times for the shade gates

[hazy parcel]

yep

[rapid nest]

4

sshadow, markoth, tl, voidheart

[hazy parcel]

voidheart isn't a percent

Kingsoul is. void heart isnt

it's only 3

[rapid nest]

🐴 well fine if you dont do p5 i guess

[steady lynx]

Just said 112, nothing about P5

Also I'm terrible at routing, don't count on me

[hazy parcel]

lol ok

this is my first time ever routing a speedrun though so we'll see how it goes

I just wasn't sure if I should get crystal heart or kings brand first

I'ma go get crystal heart

[steady lynx]

cheart then wings probably, unlock all the movement and then clean up

Biggest issue dashless should realistically be the crusher Grub in cpeak, but that's also kinda easy

[rapid jungle]

I did a sub 6 hour 112 without any routing experience minus game experience

[hazy parcel]

I hate that grub so much

well, that grub is fine
the path sucks

[steady lynx]

I remember it from memes

Needs like shape of Unn and Quick Focus, or Dashmaster and Sprintmaster

[hazy parcel]

wait what. I can do that? I've always just used crystal heart

[steady lynx]

Doing it with cheart is so cursed

[hazy parcel]

yeah...

I'm gonna do it probably with dash and sprint master because that sounds a lot nicer

[steady lynx]

Krythom had a fun itemless way to get the bottom one iirc

https://youtu.be/IKwVNWgkCAg

[hazy parcel]

that slide lmao

also, dashless pv

(:

[rapid nest]

press the ddark button iirc

[hazy parcel]

carefree melody op

and ddark

[steady lynx]

I don't think I've ever equiped Carefree

Tbf, that goes for like 20 of the charms

[hazy parcel]

lol. I think I've used every single one in a useful way (yes even heavyblow), but some charms are more useful than others

hold up I'ma make a tier list of every charm, except its minimum dashes

[steady lynx]

I have Flukenest, it deals like 144 damage with shaman, pretty okay

[hazy parcel]

lmao. flukenest is an interesting charm

[steady lynx]

Probably on me for almost only playing 1.0.2.8 and 1.1.1.4 now tho

[hazy parcel]

ah. got that good charm notch deal

[steady lynx]

Bad float?

You know when you land just in the corner of a wall and a floor and the knight gets stuck for a moment

If you get hit during that you get bad float

(We don't actually know why the knight gets stuck in the corner like that btw)

map storage?

Probably just a simple focus storage

[analog pawn]

That tas mostly uses transition storage which is gained by opening quickmap in the transtition

[steady lynx]

I don't think it actually ever uses pause storage because Krythom doesn't agree with that being NMMS

It does a few superslides tho

[analog pawn]

yeah a few, one is almost immediately in kp

sorta looks like a pause storage because the slide is slow

[coral shore]

that's fixable

[steady lynx]

Pause storage shouldn't be NMMS

Also we should patch split glitches

1.3+ NMMS
Fun NMMS

[rapid nest]

the pause menu isnt the main menu though

[steady lynx]

Then change it to NMS

[analog pawn]

is inv a menu?

[steady lynx]

I'd say anything you can use the cursor to navigate

[analog pawn]

NMMOPS

no main menu or pause storage

[coral shore]

No Main Menu operators

[verbal stag]

nmmopson

[steady lynx]

GML

Glitches Mayo Likes

[coral shore]

Good Morning Lads

[rapid nest]

nmmopsonoioaj

more letters = better category

[steady lynx]

mayo has access to screenshaken't 1114 now, I'm ready for more hundo competition

Especially with python running it

[coral shore]

At what point did we go from being speedrunners to godhome players

[verbal stag]

sorry I got distracted by nmg sadge

[steady lynx]

My current run is so bad

"Very bad run, uploading just to show off the route."

[coral shore]

We are not beating that any time soon then

gg

[analog pawn]

I'll just implement one more dupe into AS NMMS compared to now and proceed to write that

[steady lynx]

For real, I'm gonna run every single Silksong category and have that as the note

Game will be dead day 1

[rapid nest]

godhome runs are animal names now so its easy to distinguish

python go to horse absrad gn

[analog pawn]

Guess I will have to secure some wr by getting to some runs before you gusten

[steady lynx]

What if instead

We routed ABBGAG

[coral shore]

And we'll all go back to hk

or transfer to Haiku

[rapid nest]

itemless crossroads acid is more important than silksong

[steady lynx]

All the Haiku categories are so short tho

[analog pawn]

Wasn't python doing that

[steady lynx]

Silksong, give us the 15 hour 100% run we all want

[coral shore]

Yeah I was actually doing all the routing there is

[steady lynx]

python was routing ABGTAG

[coral shore]

I'm routing Silksong no Garfield skip

[steady lynx]

Half of these categories sound like Danish words

[analog pawn]

true

[steady lynx]

One day the speedrunning community's obsession with Garfield will come back to bite us

[analog pawn]

legend says that one day I will submit an any% NMMS run

[steady lynx]

One day we'll reclaim the glitched all skills chat

or just use misc

[analog pawn]

I kinda like using misc, it's funny

[coral shore]

glitched all skills is perfect already no need for change

[steady lynx]

Good night

[pure kayak]

Hi, this is my first time speedruning with timers and also first time under 40 minutes. After 2 weeks practicing WK finally I beat them no hit lmao . Anyway, I'm happy

[verbal stag]

sus splits

[stable quarry]

You do have a any% nmms pb though right?

[queen verge]

I am not a speedrunner. I just watch speedruns because they are cool. But one thing I was researching was p5 hitless with the minimum amount of items( this probably would require mods.) I probably wouldn't put myself through that, I just liked researching it.

[stable quarry]

This might interest you then
1https://youtu.be/bvivo9hdjU8
2https://youtu.be/CBADB74Vt4Y
3https://youtu.be/dkOLsJPXimM

Not sure why you would add hitless ontop of that though..

[queen verge]

👍

[stable quarry]

You could also dm Lumos if your unsure about spesifics. I assume he would gladly chat about phateons

Or join his discord server

[pure kayak]

as i said, it was the first time doing it with timers, don't know how to use it properly yet lmao

[rapid nest]

min items would be wings and ddive only i guess

[stable quarry]

This is not funny, plis don't fake achivements.

[digital jewel]

I don't think they're unbelievable

actually nvm it's in italian 💀

feel free to sus it

also very possible it's a "real" run but on lp with qol

[stable quarry]

How does qol allow you to kill wk in 30 secounds? And save a minnute in lantern?

[digital jewel]

just the final time. I'm assuming the splits are messed-up/manual

[stable quarry]

Who manually splits mid wk fight?

It is a possibility but I really don't see how you mess up the splits that much while still getting the loadless timer to work..

If they atchally got a 35:35 then that is really impressive. But for a 35 phase this run would be dead at claw.

[sacred thunder]

I mean we can do nothing but wait for it to appear on leaderboards…

[stable quarry]

You think they recorded it? I mean if it's atchally a 35 then they deffinitly should have but 35 as their first sub 40 is also quite a red flag to me tbh. Not to mention getting multiple comsobs and loosing more than a minnute in sertain splits..

[verbal stag]

just watch a run to see how its done

[steady lynx]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1678611849?t=00h06m43s

Like this

Who needs WR when you can watch the one and only TK3

[coral shore]

🐐

[steady lynx]

It's a bit unintuitive since you have to fall a bit while the other gpath any% skips are just at the apex

low% QS skip is a bit more like this but there you have to do like 3 turnarounds (Or 2 if you're good)

[steady lynx]

I'm sleeping now

[weary root]

gusten is sleep-typing

[steady lynx]

As punishment for the ping you have to look at this

Also what did you need help with

[steady lynx]

Most runs i do don't even fight them

[verbal stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34nZk3KUuuI

[stable quarry]

wait this exists..

the tutorial btw

[waxen crystal]

I'm not sure if this is where I should ask, but I am trying to do a speedrun and I would like to know how would you enter the city of tears if you don't finish the false knight fight?

Oh

Steel soul

Okay, thanks

I might just finish the false knight

Probably?

[sturdy glade]

Uh

Tram pass

Oh

[coral shore]

*extremely based route

[sturdy glade]

How is it a strange route

It's optimal for all the good categories

[analog pawn]

for steel soul you could just kill False Knight

[sturdy glade]

This especially applies to agk not doing it Ghostbusters

[coral shore]

Ghostbusters

[sturdy glade]

Busting ghosts yip

[analog pawn]

ghostbusters Yippee

[coral shore]

dude ghostbusters is so based ngl
Especially hiveknight and h2

[sturdy glade]

Touch grass% - [irl] is a better cat imo

[coral shore]

iirc impossible and modded therefore no

[vagrant warren]

the benefit of tram over killing false knight & using city crest is that city crest only gives you access to left side & if you're trying to go fast you want right side access for watcher knights

[fresh hill]

how do you people make this stuff oh my god

[gritty elk]

What video is good for getting into speedrunning not downloading the actual run

[steady lynx]

Generally I think it's a lot of different guides that are recommended for any% NMG

Specifically if you like knowing most about WK

[brazen bear]

Are we allowed to put speedrun times and percentages in here?

[steady lynx]

Uh, I guess so if it's a serious run

[brazen bear]

Just accomplished that

Any percent

[stuck raptor]

[steady lynx]

Well, faster than my first time

[stable quarry]

Now do it again and again and again

[brazen bear]

Speedrun?

[stable quarry]

Yes

[stable quarry]

Good beginner goal is sub hour you got this

[rapid nest]

<@&283547423706447872>

[barren yew]

tf

[knotty vigil]

?

[steady lynx]

Been a bit since the last mod ping in this chat

[woven forge]

whats going on with that

[knotty vigil]

nothing

[stoic stump]

Y’all have hkmp

[steady lynx]

sure

[sturdy glade]

Horse klop making people?

[vagrant warren]

HKMP has nothing to do with speedrunning... the mod is available on Scarab, if you're looking for people to play with there's an HKMP discord pinned in #modding-discussion

[steady lynx]

I don't even know what it is tbh

[vagrant warren]

Hollow knight multi player

[knotty vigil]

does socd cleaner not work on certain keybinds or am i doing this wrong

[vagrant warren]

If you for dome reason want to see your friends in game

[coral shore]

Latest version of socd doesn't work for some pcs for some reason

You can try downloading the one before the latest and see if that one works

[vagrant warren]

I know next to nothing shout socd cleaner but that sounds like possibly could also be a nkey rollover issue

[knotty vigil]

my right key is semicolon lmao idk if that even works

[coral shore]

just to clarify, you did setup a custom config right?

[knotty vigil]

yeah

(i have windows 11 if that makes a difference)

[coral shore]

You should definitely try downloading the previous version and seeing if that one works because it very well might

Not really a windows version thing since it works and doesn't work on both 10 and 11

[knotty vigil]

hmm

[steady lynx]

Oh I don't have any of those

[vagrant warren]

It's OK that's what the hkmp discord server is for

[knotty vigil]

oh the program has to be open for it to work?
didn't know that, guess that was why

[coral shore]

[steady lynx]

In case you haven't checked that as well, Hollow Knight also needs to be open

[analog pawn]

That looks right

[stable quarry]

I prefer dashing twice off the platform then pogo for max height lining up with background cue and then dashing and doing the stallball out of the dash. Makes it easier imo as it is slightly heiger spikes there

[tepid bronze]

whats the name of the "killing all ghosts" speedrun? in my opinion it should be called "grim reaper%"

[sturdy glade]

Ghostbusters

[steady lynx]

We named the all levers category Kronk%, don't expect much from us

[sturdy glade]

I think agkagkagk acts as reparations for all of our failings in category naming

[steady lynx]

GGG tho

[sturdy glade]

That one was just created for the name though

So it only deserves 70% of the name's actual glory imo

[analog pawn]

I'm a fan of ABHDNMMS personally

good acronym

[sturdy glade]

Abhdnmmsonooss

[coral shore]

agkagkagk was also created just for the name

[cursive arch]

i cant add splits in livesplit

any suggestions on how to fix that

[steady lynx]

Is the timer running

[cursive arch]

it was stopped but resetting worked. thanks.

[tepid bronze]

sooo uhhh grim reaper% kill and see the death of any creature that isnt already dead (all NPCs, all bosses, finish the base hunters journal (none of the ones that dont count towards mark), no pantheons, no ghosts, radiance ending)

tho idk if killing grimm normally kills trumm too

[peak sleet]

ghostbusters% i thik

[sturdy glade]

The name didn't come first though

[cursive arch]

how do i get livesplit to show up above my game and not above my desktop

[stable quarry]

Put -popupwindow in the steam startup settings thing

[cursive arch]

what

[cursive arch]

what settings

[stable quarry]

turn off fullscreen in game, add "-popupwindow" to launch options to make it windowed/borderless

[cursive arch]

where do i add that -popupwindow thing

oh i think i found it

yup it works thanks

[stable quarry]

If you're using steam go to your game library, right click HK -> properties -> there should be a box down the bottom called launch options, type "-popupwindow" in there.
Launches the game in borderless fullscreen which should allow livesplit to remain on top

Oh good

[hidden fiber]

hi is the queen's garden acid skip still possible in current patch

cause I can do the super jump but when I reach the other side I just instantly die to the acid

[stable quarry]

Yes

[analog pawn]

Yeah, it's still possible

[stable quarry]

Super jump?

[hidden fiber]

yeah mb I don't know the terms but the crystal heart jump

[stable quarry]

The what?

[hidden fiber]

yk the crystal heart that you get in the crystal cave

[stable quarry]

You mean charge cdash on the tiny ledge?

[hidden fiber]

yeah

[stable quarry]

Crystal dash

[hidden fiber]

yeah but the item is called crystal heart thats why mb

[stable quarry]

Oh, but you do see that it isn't a jump right?

[hidden fiber]

yeah mb

[stable quarry]

Unless your atchally doing a rocket jump

But that doesn't help you do qga so I doubt it

And isn't allowed nmg btw

[hidden fiber]

okok

[vagrant warren]

If you're dying after doing the crystal heart you're either too low in the acid or you're just not jumping fast enough

[sacred thunder]

Is that when you quick map and c-dash or smt ?

[stable quarry]

Yes ^^^

[steady lynx]

I love doing rocket jumps and wiggling to just ascend

[stable quarry]

Wait what?

There is so much I still don't know lol. Maybe I atchally should run hundo

[steady lynx]

It requires very good wiggling or cheating with SOCD

If there's a single physics frame when you don't hold a direction you fall down

Everyone should run hundo NMMS

[steady lynx]

I like that the geo route kinda just became Ghusk, colos and Grubs after a bit

[analog pawn]

Isn't early colo still in the route?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, needed the geo

Still funny that it took me months to connect just using dive invuln to collect the geo

[coarse pulsar]

hey guys, in trying to do an assignment on Hollow Knight and its sustained community through speedrunning and want to ask if you guys would be down to ask a few question

[vagrant warren]

I'd suggest asking in the pinned server, most of the speedrun community has moved there

[coarse pulsar]

is that the hk discussion?

[steady lynx]

No, the pinned server

?pins

[coarse pulsar]

oh

[steady lynx]

What was the command

[cosmic perch]

?tag pins

[coarse pulsar]

/pins

[river axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879286406726451210/880046151410282506/hk_pins.png

[coarse pulsar]

i see thank you very much

[steady lynx]

The speedrun community split off into our own server when we got sick of the memes chat

[coarse pulsar]

oh lol

[steady lynx]

Not the actual reason, we just needed more space and decided it'd be best to split off

[coarse pulsar]

I got in and realized their is a lot more text chat then this one

[steady lynx]

Just ask in offtopic, it's essentially the general chat

[coarse pulsar]

okay thanks

[dusk sigil]

Quick question can I promote a video about learning the HK speedrun somewhere in this server?

[vagrant warren]

For the purpose of ... what? Videos are fine if it's relevant to a conversation but if you just mean to like advertise your youtube or something that's not really allowed. (also most of the speedrun community & content is moved to the pinned server)

[tough basin]

yo is ||QGA possible on current patch?||

[coral shore]

yes it is!

(Also no need to spoiler in this channel)

[knotty vigil]

if you're practicing do it without ismas tear

its not possible with it

[strange hazel]

Hi, hello everyone! I'm new to HK speedrunning and the HK discord in general but I've just recorded a speed of me beating the Pantheon of Hallownest using Fury of The Fallen strats and I've run into a problem, it took me like 30 minutes to perform the run and youtube won't let me upload the video since I'm not a "verified account", what alternatives do I have to host the video to be able to upload it to speedrun.com ?
Is this the correct channel to ask this question or should I go somewhere else?

[sturdy glade]

Length isn't the issue

Unless it's like confirm with phone number verified

[strange hazel]

Ohhh, didn't think of that, perhaps that is the case and I though of "Verified" as "A youtube account with X amount of subscribers"
I will check that.

Thanks a lot!

[peak sleet]

new to speedrunning here, so to get a run verified, i need to remove the modding api thing in the main menu. how do i do this

it seems like that a lot of resources say to use debug mod, so im confused now

[vagrant warren]

?tag verify

[river axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/910762350267744276/910762714807291946/hk_verify_integrity.png

[vagrant warren]

This will remove the api. You can also consider multiple installs to always have access to both versions

[peak sleet]

some resources say stuff like savestates to use with debug mod

doesnt that require the modding api

[knotty vigil]

yes

[peak sleet]

but the rules say i cant have modding api

[knotty vigil]

to practice you can use whatever you want but for a full run everything needs to be disabled, including the api

[peak sleet]

oh

so if i want to do the path oif pain speedrun

bruh

[knotty vigil]

you can set a save state outside it, yes

[peak sleet]

oh ok

[knotty vigil]

if you're on 1.5 you can use minisavestates

idk why it's not on speedrun.com resources but i managed to get it from somewhere, i think this is it

[woven forge]

i was going for sub 1 hour (not looking good at this point) and i am having a hard time with watcher knights. i have nail 1, and shamans. any tips or would this be better for #hk-help idk i dont really go here much

[cosmic perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc-_Vg-Y8ME

[woven forge]

thanks!

[stable quarry]

A lot of runners don't check this channel so asking in the pinned server is often bettter.

Also recording fight makes it easier to point out mistakes.
Gl on sub hour though.

[woven forge]

yeah its not going to be this run im at 43 minutes and havent beaten wk. taking a break

[stable quarry]

You do have a patch with debug for practice right?

[woven forge]

nope i prolly should

[stable quarry]

I would advice having two seperate installs one for practice and one for runs and then having debug and savestates (usually premade ones) for the run your running.

Also optionally benchwarp and timermod aswell.

[arctic orbit]

do that for every patch imo

[stable quarry]

Nah, you only need 1028, ||1037||, 1114, 1211, 1221, ||1424||, 1432 and 1575

[arctic orbit]

ok that’s not enough

1006, 1037, 1118, 1214, and 1315 are required

[stable quarry]

Why? What does 1006 and 1118 add to the table?

I assume 1214 and 1315 are memes

[steady lynx]

1214 is optimal for like 3 meme categories

Idk what Eridan is on thinking 1315 has any use though

[smoky socket]

ez win 1 min 2 sec

[arctic orbit]

ASS nmg

[arctic orbit]

1006 is the first patch

1118 is for 100% nmg

also 1006 is fastest for wp il

ignoring shrogo

because shrogo isn’t real and can’t hurt me

[analog pawn]

Should't 1006 still be fastest for wp IL

Even compared to runs with shrogo

[arctic orbit]

oh right forgot about the second lever skip

[steady lynx]

1007 has less lag and all the skips so should be optimal

[analog pawn]

1007 is just better than 1006 for most things

1006 is a bad patch

[arctic orbit]

are you 100% sure

i swear it was 1006 and 1007 exclusive

also if 1007 is so good, why did no wp il runners use it?

[arctic orbit]

also this

[steady lynx]

Being the first does not mean that it's good

[steady lynx]

Do you doubt my patch knowledge?

[analog pawn]

Gusten probably knows more about the patches than TC at this point

[stable quarry]

Why?

[stable quarry]

Isn't that 1114?

[steady lynx]

Cursror reset to center of screen was added on 1221, so any meme that doesn't do lever skips and does quitouts is technically optimal on 1214

[arctic orbit]

normally no, but rn, yes

[stable quarry]

Can't you just move the mouse?

[arctic orbit]

ok but being the first means that it’s the first

[steady lynx]

Go ahead and prove you can't do the skips on 1007 then Eridan

[arctic orbit]

not rn but sure

[stable quarry]

Even better prove you can't do them on 1005

[steady lynx]

That takes more than 0 time

Ekkoet, now you're just making stuff up

[stable quarry]

Don't you have time where it looses 0 time though?

Isn't it for mouse quitouts?

[steady lynx]

There's no such thing as 1005, especially not some kind of patch where the dnail awakens at 1500 essence

[arctic orbit]

i will install 1007 and try the wp lever skips if you can give me an answer for this, gusten

i don’t see why they wouldn’t use it

i mean, you’re saying it has less lag

seems a bit counterproductive to use a worse patch for no reason

[stable quarry]

Deffinitly feels like you have plenty of time for mouse quitouts if you can aim. Spoilers I can't

[arctic orbit]

as i see it rn 1006 is a better patch than 1007, since an actual category prefers it

[steady lynx]

Eridan, nobody ever tested the skips on 1007, 1011 followed so soon after so they assumed it was patched out in both

[stable quarry]

Sm64 runners play on the original console eventhough the emulator saves time and is allowed.

It's speedrunning it doesn't need to make sence lol

[arctic orbit]

i see, but how do you know the skips are possible on 1007 if nobody has tested it?

[arctic orbit]

that’s because mario speedrunners are idiots maybe they like the n64 controller

[steady lynx]

Idk, almsot like someone downloaded every patch and tried random bs on them

[stable quarry]

What moron would do that

[arctic orbit]

and how recently did you do that

[stable quarry]

Tbh I wish mantis claw earlycontroll wasn't found on 1424

[arctic orbit]

real

would’ve made 1315 the undeniably better patch 💪💪💪

[stable quarry]

How?

[arctic orbit]

because 1315 would have early control

and 1424 would not

[stable quarry]

1315 has balanced flukes isn't that all..

But 1315 doesn't have godhome smh

Would be terrible for glitches no ingame mms and no gmms

[steady lynx]

1315 is just taking all the worst features of 1424 and the 1222 beta and combining them

[arctic orbit]

lmao

[arctic orbit]

so how recently did you find them to be possible on 1007

[steady lynx]

A couple months ago

[arctic orbit]

alright i believe you now

no need for me to install 1007

still

first patch has a ring to it

you gotta admit

[rough umbra]

Henlo

[steady lynx]

Nope

[stable quarry]

1005

[arctic orbit]

but 1005 is gog only

[arctic orbit]

nope you gotta admit

[steady lynx]

I can't find the video of the 1007 skips so you get this which is equally important

[arctic orbit]

ye i know that one

great vid

sad that it’s not nmg

[steady lynx]

It's kinda useless since you need patches that are only good for specific cases

[arctic orbit]

mhm

[stable quarry]

If someone made a mod where all glitches are on one patch that would make me very happy @coral shore your a programmer right