sk-lore

[sinful nimbus]

Ants could've been a real faction

[foggy fractal]

hunter's nest and coral gorge 😔

[sinful nimbus]

Back in my day Zaza was the brains of the pair

[arctic cliff]

I miss void cult

[sinful nimbus]

Imo if I had to change the ants I'd make Hunter's March full of Hardbone Hopper fields where the ants go to hunt and then the expanded Far Fields is where all their structures are

[arctic cliff]

Actual dudes what worshipping to void

[arctic cliff]

According to lore tablets in abyss

[snow sonnet]

Looking at some ari sketches and file names appearntly there was gonna be some trapmaster and beastmaster shit but all this def is irrelevant when the great 2021 cut happened

[quartz salmon]

trapmaster is still in the game

[sinful nimbus]

I can't believe I joined the community after the cut

[silk dirge]

wait lifeblood spire is definitely dlc lmao

[sinful nimbus]

All this time I was arguing about how a dead version of the game was so cool

[silk dirge]

its on a map from august 7th of this year

[quartz salmon]

yes

they just

removed it 1 month before the game released

sneaky

[snow sonnet]

Rushed the game

[silk dirge]

what is this

[quartz salmon]

mysterious stuff

[snow sonnet]

God I wish they would upload these maps in their respective quality

[sinful nimbus]

[silk dirge]

same

[sinful nimbus]

I wanna know what this is

[silk dirge]

i wonder if this is possibly steel city stuff?

[snow sonnet]

The colors give off shellwood but can't really decipher other than that

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah that was my thought

It looks a bit like it has windows ala city of tears

[silk dirge]

the only things i can decipher off that corner are these 2 which is abyss climb and coral tower

[quartz salmon]

wiki says its barnacle stuff

it doesnt even really look like a room to me, its not in the style the rest of the map is presented

[snow sonnet]

From what time period does that appear on?

[silk dirge]

this is from august 7th map

[sinful nimbus]

I've been told it was barnacle stuff too but no one remembered how that conclusion was reached

[silk dirge]

and then what is this

[quartz salmon]

yeah idk

[quartz salmon]

thats the surface parkour i think

[snow sonnet]

Don't think that belongs in the bay section it's barely identifiable tbh

[silk dirge]

oh

makes sense

[quartz salmon]

i think theres probably further context clues in the full image when people figured it out

[sinful nimbus]

They look super bizarre I'm kinda curious what on earth I'm looking at

[quartz salmon]

but right yeah like it doesnt look like rooms

it looks more like a cutsceene or a screenshot to me

[sinful nimbus]

like??

[snow sonnet]

Ari's folder of unused content must be stacked as hell

[silk dirge]

we will find out when we have pictures of these with more than 2 pixels

[quartz salmon]

someone here is going to ACMI soon they should be getting better photos of all this

[sinful nimbus]

The Voice

[silk dirge]

someone should go to acmi with like a fucking movie camera or some shit

[sinful nimbus]

50 page document on why its the strongest higher being ever cut

[quartz salmon]

thats nyleth blud

[fervent sigil]

how many moss mothers are there

[foggy fractal]

🗣️ The voice... has chosen me.

[fervent sigil]

weve seen 4 so far

[foggy fractal]

fire ass line

[lethal burrow]

what lore ye takin rn

[silk dirge]

oh so thats what those ledges are

looks like maybe original watcher spot and expanded volt nest?

[sinful nimbus]

Pretty sure it was rewritten though since Seth was a devout granted supernatural strength to guard a secret of some sort

Which doesn't seem to be the case no longer

[sinful nimbus]

Guhhhh

Mystery solved

[silk dirge]

this is 2024 map

[quartz salmon]

i dont see how thats not whats happening

[sinful nimbus]

Because there's nothing about that being the case in game

Seth's lore and job is never explained at all

Nyleth also doesn't have anything to do with voices

[quartz salmon]

hes a guardian guarding the thing

[sinful nimbus]

He's not guarding a secret nor does he exactly have anything to guard from? Its a church why is there a dude indiscriminately killing everyone visiting it

I do agree that the voice was never a higher being though but that was the consensus back in the day I feel

[quartz salmon]

well its not surprising that the lore changed in 7 years

[sinful nimbus]

Of course but it was changed which is what I was saying

But for the record I don't really think this is a good change really because it just makes Seth's lore nonsensical

[foggy fractal]

the voice... has dissapeared... :C

[snow sonnet]

No voice
No coral
No nest

[foggy fractal]

also no bagpipers

[silk dirge]

no gloom

[sinful nimbus]

They cut whatever this is

Unplayable garbage

[silk dirge]

who tf is that lmao

bro is puffy

[quartz salmon]

looks like

a thing

[snow sonnet]

Ari's sketchbooks being ancient murals that we have to dissect

[sinful nimbus]

Kinda crazy how close they can be to the final product in-game

[foggy fractal]

probably mount fay character

[sinful nimbus]

Mt Fay has a big lack of NPCs 😔

[snow sonnet]

Sprintmaster and this verdanian enemy too, I wonder when these sketches date

[silk dirge]

i think thats fine imo

[sinful nimbus]

The goats...

[silk dirge]

its supposed to be a frigid mountain thats really hard to scale

[snow sonnet]

Yeah I love mount fay as it is

[foggy fractal]

peak character design

[silk dirge]

mt fay isnt supposed to be a lively place

[sinful nimbus]

Fair enough

[short cave]

would a seth game technically make sense? and where would it take place

[silk dirge]

idt theyd do a seth game

[foggy fractal]

no it wouldn't make sense given his origins

[short cave]

im just asking because i wanna make like a small demo

and a map of his kingdom

[silk dirge]

the big problem with any future protagonist is they need a focus/bind adjacent ability

otherwise they cant heal

[snow sonnet]

Team Cherry realizing they're out of characters that can heal for their 3rd HK game

[silk dirge]

basically any future protag would need to be the child of a higher being in some way

weavers are technically the children of gms so that makes sense

[short cave]

seth can have a parry attack from the start and if he parries an enemy (either with his shield or pin) he gains hp

idk how that would make sense in lore tho

[silk dirge]

i feel like a third game is either gonna be another hornet game or maybe a character we meet in dlc

[quartz salmon]

He heals by eating plants

[foggy fractal]

it doesn't really matter, we know too little about the world and his character to make something like that anyway, if you're gonna do it it would be like 90% made up stuff

[snow sonnet]

I'm gonna be 70 by the end of this shit

[silk dirge]

maybe steel city will have a very important character who could become a future protag

[silk dirge]

if silksanity was so great why isnt there a silksani- OH NO

[short cave]

but my art is gas tho you gotta agree

[sinful nimbus]

Fearless Fox please 🙏

I think they could cook with a brand new world

[silk dirge]

first you have to make it through the hardest silksong area "foxsanity"

[quartz salmon]

This has already been said a bunch but I feel like the Masters are a big overarching thing in this world and if they made a 3rd game it would be about that

But like in all honesty how do you top this game

[short cave]

ill start making a seth game map now idc

[sinful nimbus]

Steel Master roguelite

[short cave]

it dosent have to be better tho

[foggy fractal]

what do we think the deal was with that guy on the right page ? Flower Queen Guardian I think is the text next to em ?

[silk dirge]

i hope with whatever 3rd game they make they manage the pressure well

[sinful nimbus]

First game was bad this game is mid, if you follow the pattern that means the next one will be good

[silk dirge]

when youve made both hk and silksong then the pressure is really on

[silk dirge]

its fishing time

[snow sonnet]

3d models for good measure

[quartz salmon]

You have a bad take if you follow the pattern the next one will be bad too

[sinful nimbus]

He looks whimsical

[short cave]

"Every good game has to have a fishing minigame."

[silk dirge]

he kinda looks like cardinius?

[foggy fractal]

probably what became of the design

[sinful nimbus]

How is what I said wrong

[sinful nimbus]

Is that a tram

Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQxPWT-ifyI

[mossy jay]

what's the deal with mr mushroom

[lean temple]

Flower Queen is Nyleth right?

[silk dirge]

it looks like it says "mountain ascent"

so maybe something to do with mt fay

[sinful nimbus]

He shows up when an age is about to end

[lean temple]

He heralds the end of an age and the beginning of another, likely immortal. Knows many things, travels a lot

[silk dirge]

actually wait what is up with the lifts on mt fay

[sinful nimbus]

Bro think he Tom Bombadil 😭

[silk dirge]

what are those for

[sinful nimbus]

Harvesting Fayforn fur

[rain gate]

to get to the peak when the weavers still did pilgrimages

[muted lantern]

Bro I just watched a video claiming gurr is Gilly's father. Genuine unfathomable Eldritch take

[sinful nimbus]

Didn't look especially weaverlike to me

[silk dirge]

LMAO

yeah i saw that too

[sinful nimbus]

I think I miss Hallownest.net that was so convenient

[muted lantern]

WHY WOULD SHE BE RESEARCHING THE SKARR IF HER DAD JS A FUCKING SKARR

[rain gate]

isnt all the infrastructure in mt fay weaver?

[silk dirge]

there are some citadel bodies

ones that look like the choir

[muted lantern]

There's some citadel too, I think there's a gondala

[silk dirge]

so like post weavers the citadel tried to do something there

[sinful nimbus]

Cooking

Send the video

[muted lantern]

https://youtu.be/1wRRlDNDlkA?si=mm8_JTFYLwM94xrE his first fucking claim is that their names both start with g...

[sinful nimbus]

God bless

[muted lantern]

Goddammit snail me

[snow sonnet]

Seeing youtube shorts about hk feels so wrong icl

[silk dirge]

real

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah seems solid

I'm convinced peak lore

[lean temple]

And yet he couldn't teach her about Karmelita? 🤦‍♂️

[sinful nimbus]

Gurr don't fw Karmelita

[muted lantern]

The only argument one could make is that since he's an outcast he wanted to learn about his people through someone who isn't an outcast. But again genuine Eldritch unfathomable take

Because it also means gilly recruits us to kill her father

[sinful nimbus]

The grass doll doesn't lie

[snow sonnet]

Gurr went for the milk

[lean temple]

Good old patricide

[vestal swan]

Serial killer exiled ant telling his daughter to study the people he's hunting, it is a batshit take but there is a line of logic there that's not insane

[muted lantern]

Hornet would approve

[muted lantern]

God if this is canon I might lose it

[lean temple]

No cost too great yknow

[silk dirge]

also why would gurr steal his daughters grass doll

[mossy jay]

Yeah why would he do that

[muted lantern]

I swear to God if a guy named fucking el chiefo is the person who gives us valuable lore insights I'm gonna kms

[vestal swan]

It's not a good take it doesn't make any sense, but that one piece of logic aside from the theory does make sense

[silk dirge]

also gilly looks nothing like a skarr

we see her body

[muted lantern]

Sentimentality I guess?? Who the hell knows

[vestal swan]

?

Like without the ghillie suit?

[sinful nimbus]

You can see her legs

[silk dirge]

yeah

[sinful nimbus]

They're pure black so she's probably the same species as Lurien

[mossy jay]

Ass Jim might be the key to all of this

[silk dirge]

what we see of her body doesnt look like skarr

[vestal swan]

What kind of stuff does Gur have in his trophy room again?

[muted lantern]

Counterpoint! She's wearing a enemies skull like many skarr do

[silk dirge]

moorbugs, grand reed, last claw

[sinful nimbus]

Buncha taxidermized corpses

[vestal swan]

So nothing that could be her parents?

[silk dirge]

how do you know thats not just her face

[muted lantern]

I'm lying

[silk dirge]

nope

[sinful nimbus]

aura

[muted lantern]

Did you guys know shakras VA voiced gilly

[silk dirge]

yes

i watched that interview

[muted lantern]

That actress has super impressive range

[sinful nimbus]

Man the soul of the series has been eroded

Back in my day Ari and William voiced all the cast

Sellouts

[snow sonnet]

Team Cherry used to put more personality in their blogposts and show fanart and now they don't anymore smh

[silk dirge]

the trobbio va interview was also great

i cant believe playtesters asked for an even closer bench to groal and tc straight up said nope 😭

[sinful nimbus]

They used to endorse this server... They clearly don't care about us loyal fans now

[snow sonnet]

The funny part of the trobbio va interview is that a shadowdrop was genuienly in the cards

[muted lantern]

Yeah and William pellen shot my grandma

Fucked up

[silk dirge]

oh yeah lmao

[foggy fractal]

and then Ari Gibson shot my parents in a dark alleyway...

[silk dirge]

that was really funny

[muted lantern]

And Christopher Larkin shot me twice in the head after telling me that greyroot is zotes mother

[sinful nimbus]

I would've lost it at a shadow drop

[muted lantern]

Then he stole the platinum chip

[sinful nimbus]

You have to give me time to ease into the mid

Thank god for the steamDB leaks

[edgy nebula]

nuu too

oooooo nuu sa oola or whatever she says

[silk dirge]

will we ever find out who concernedape voices

[edgy nebula]

whose concerned ape

[silk dirge]

stardew valley creator

[sinful nimbus]

guh

[edgy nebula]

oouuuh

[silk dirge]

he voiced a character in silksong

[sinful nimbus]

I guess Leth worked on Stardew Valley

[muted lantern]

What if it's fucking kratt

[lean temple]

Lauren Koopowitz (Shakra) knows

[vestal swan]

Kratt sounds like graig

[muted lantern]

Ckk has power over crust right?

[silk dirge]

yes

[edgy nebula]

yes

[snow sonnet]

I wonder if William voiced Khann, I swear I hear Dung Defender in Khann's lines

[edgy nebula]

free control over crust presumably

[muted lantern]

So he'd be able to use Kratts own body against him like bloodbending

[edgy nebula]

he doesnt sound like dung defender but his theme certainly sounds a bit like dd’s in a few parts

[silk dirge]

this poses a good question if ckk was eating pizza would he eat the crust or not

[sinful nimbus]

What

[edgy nebula]

ckk is a hardened soul he’d eat the crust

[silk dirge]

ckk theme is very dd coded

[sinful nimbus]

I don't remember ckk theme tbh

[snow sonnet]

He deserves a buff in the godhome-equivelant dlc

[edgy nebula]

yeah it’s honestly like top 7 sk themes thouh

[muted lantern]

Thought this translates to darkest dungeon and was confused

[snow sonnet]

Holy shit my browser has ckk's themes open and I didn't realize lmao

time to listen to peak

[sinful nimbus]

What're the odds of the CoT vocalist coming back for the City of Steel theme

[edgy nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOWu5AXLFwQ&list=RDM-z6fPrpg-k&index=20&pp=8AUB ts so majestic

[sinful nimbus]

That'd be cinema

[muted lantern]

The steel city necromancers reviving marissa

[silk dirge]

i love it

its so good

[snow sonnet]

THE RIVER WILL FLOW AGAIN

[muted lantern]

Ckk needed some attacks he performs while his crust spires are rumbling offscreen

[sinful nimbus]

Life if Christopher Larkin made songs over 2 minutes in length

[muted lantern]

To make you have to be more careful with your dodge

[silk dirge]

greymoor:

[edgy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/future-ram-ranch-gif-18120355

[sinful nimbus]

Greymoor theme grew on me so much

[muted lantern]

YouTube shorts ahh sountrack

[edgy nebula]

i havent listened to greymoor’s theme

[silk dirge]

fun fact greymoor is the longest silksong ost

[edgy nebula]

should i listen to it

[silk dirge]

idk why but it is

[lean temple]

It'd be great, tho idk if CoS would have vocals. Seems more like a cold and industrial type

[silk dirge]

yes

[edgy nebula]

okay

[snow sonnet]

City of Steel with electric guitars

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[edgy nebula]

city of steel should use alot of groaning sounds and percussion instruments lowkey..

[sinful nimbus]

OK OK but bring back the CoT vocals for Steel Masters theme

[muted lantern]

I think zote should be the steel master

[sinful nimbus]

I get it

[lean temple]

She thinks we are worthy of seeing the Masters, hah

[sinful nimbus]

Greymoor has a lot of aura

[snow sonnet]

To be honest I was expecting more from Greymoor

[edgy nebula]

fair

[abstract rivet]

loses 3000 points of aura due to mid soundtrack

[muted lantern]

Is it like raining in greymoor too or are the silk dregs just falling fast af

[edgy nebula]

ambiguous

[lean temple]

I think it's silk?

[quartz salmon]

It's raining poop water

[abstract rivet]

I think it has alot of content and unique atmosphere its just a banger soundtrack thats missing

[edgy nebula]

i think there are splash particles when hornet jumps

i dont remember

[sinful nimbus]

I thought so at first until I realized it was peak

[silk dirge]

a lot of food used to grow in greymoor

so its probably rain

[edgy nebula]

we should delete sinners road and bilewater and replace it all with greymoor

[abstract rivet]

I love how the Radiance is like “Ancient Enemy I do not fear you 1v1 me fucking loser” to the void, but GMS is like “Waaa dont kill me pls pls” compared to it

[sinful nimbus]

"One of the biggest areas we've made" 🤓

[silk dirge]

sinners road was probably part of greymoor in the past

[sinful nimbus]

I think this is one of the changes I'm fine with

[silk dirge]

along with the mist

[abstract rivet]

it is like one of the biggest though

[sinful nimbus]

But the craws should've had a more fleshed out culture

Nothing in silksong has lore 😭 🙏

[abstract rivet]

Why do you hate the game so much bro 😭

[snow sonnet]

iirc they even said Greymoor had a lethal lunging foe which seems to line up with Phantom

[abstract rivet]

Top 1 hater OAT

[edgy nebula]

umm.. but theres uuh uhhhh ummm

[abstract rivet]

What did the game do to you buddy..

[silk dirge]

that could mean ass jim

[muted lantern]

If hornet was trained by the skarr instead of the hive what would her name be

[sinful nimbus]

Me realizing Brooding Mawlek had more lore than Last Judge

[abstract rivet]

Ant

[lean temple]

Bruh

[edgy nebula]

termite

[muted lantern]

Unfair comparison brooding mawlek is best character in the game

[sinful nimbus]

No dragons

[abstract rivet]

Brooding Mawlek is like the main antagonist of Hollow Knight tho

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong doesn't have dragons like HK and whats more it goes out of its way to slander the dragons

[edgy nebula]

khann lowkey is probably top 10 characters in silksong

maybe top 5

[lean temple]

Technically Wyrms:

[snow sonnet]

top 1*

[muted lantern]

Radiance sucks compared to brooding mawlek, you can't be a good villain without a visible asshole

[abstract rivet]

there were dragons in Hollow Knight?

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong doesn't have wyrms, it hates wyrms

[silk dirge]

this also applies to bell eater

[lean temple]

Oh I misunderstood the original point I think

[muted lantern]

Bell eater is also peak

[edgy nebula]

voltvyrms are close enough

[lean temple]

Nvm me

[edgy nebula]

all my homies love the voltvyrms

[silk dirge]

wtf is a vyrm

[muted lantern]

Bell eater was a great moment

[edgy nebula]

voltnest boss

[muted lantern]

Voltwyrm was an abysmal boss

[silk dirge]

no but like outside of silksong

[edgy nebula]

it’s called voltvyrm cause team cherry didnt wanna call it wyrm in fear of people misunderstanding

[silk dirge]

yeah probably

[edgy nebula]

I dont think anything

[silk dirge]

vyrm is an alt spelling of wyrm

[snow sonnet]

At first I didn't care much for the bell beast but then I grew to love her and then shit was personal when I encountered bell eater

[muted lantern]

Bell beast is best doggy

[silk dirge]

i love bell beast

[sinful nimbus]

More of an Old Stag gal

[snow sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silk-song-game-shuffle-dance-gif-4070226195247709979

[muted lantern]

Honestly there's a lot of debate about bell beasts gender but I don't think it cares at all

[silk dirge]

beastlings are the best

[abstract rivet]

In Hollow Knight, we see Link from Legend of Zelda challenging The Vengefly King. This is directly referenced in Silksong when you fight Lost Lace.

[edgy nebula]

we shouldve gotten a huge splinter as a ride instead..

[silk dirge]

who didnt nearly explode after hearing the sounds the beastlings make

[sinful nimbus]

Something something motherhood theme

[muted lantern]

BB is called a mother but they/them is used in HJ I guess it could be a mother and be nonbinary but I think it's just a wild animal and doesn't remotely care.

[abstract rivet]

HJ?

[muted lantern]

Hunters journal

[edgy nebula]

hornet just uses they/them for every non-stated gender

[sinful nimbus]

They/them is gender ambiguous

[edgy nebula]

groal, lugoli, phantom

[lean temple]

Eira, eira!

[abstract rivet]

phantom has to be female

[edgy nebula]

groal is our nonbinary icon

[silk dirge]

eira(softly)

[sinful nimbus]

Real ones remember when the wiki listed Phantom as "possibly genderless" for literally no reason

[abstract rivet]

Groal is the best looking character in Gaming

[silk dirge]

i miss before silksong released when we thought groal was just a silly frog dude

bro was NOT a silly frog

[abstract rivet]

Bro was a sillier frog

[snow sonnet]

2 weeks max

[silk dirge]

youd be surprised how 2 weeks felt

those 2 weeks especially went on super slow

[edgy nebula]

mossbag in tears after finding out groal is an evil asshole

[sinful nimbus]

#ss-discussion crumbled too fast

[abstract rivet]

Christopher Larkin really knows how to stress you out with the themes in Enemy Gaunlets or some bosses (sister splinter, groal)

[silk dirge]

i think before silksong released someone said stilkin trappers looked like actual mossbags

[sinful nimbus]

Majora's Mask type atmosphere

[silk dirge]

girl has stockholm syndrome 🥀

[edgy nebula]

i havent looked in ss-discussion in weeks what happened

[silk dirge]

silksong discussion was ass

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong is the cage

No off-topic rules are the bars

[muted lantern]

I think nb phantom is a fun headcanon and adds a really interesting layer to their story, but I don't think it is necessarily canon like some fans seem to argue. One could argue the line why us sister is phantom speaking to lace not the other way around, since it seems to be phantoms memory. One could also argue it's lace calling phantom sister. Hunters journal (the non hornet part) is fairly accurate when it comes to gender while hornet uses they more as ambiguously. Both halfs call them they. I think there is arguments in favor of both interpretations

[sinful nimbus]

If you wanted to run an off-topic build you could either have gone to #off-topic #ss-discussion #hk-discussion or #hk-general but nowadays the meta is just #off-topic which is lame

[silk dirge]

@ powderedwater_

[sinful nimbus]

Lace is pretty clearly the one speaking in the memory be fr

[silk dirge]

LMAO

[abstract rivet]

lmao yeah

[silk dirge]

😭

i did not actually expect that

[sinful nimbus]

It aligns with her character and she's outside of the random pod sleep thing

[snow sonnet]

#ss-discussion used to be the wildwest and now we have to like actually talk about the game

[abstract rivet]

I’m still confused by the lore in Sands of Karak

[silk dirge]

clown emoji spam

[muted lantern]

Certainly, my post was trying to lend credence to both arguments. As I brought up both

[abstract rivet]

whyd the citadel do allat

[edgy nebula]

what is to be confused about

[silk dirge]

i remember the days

[edgy nebula]

they didnt do anything

[abstract rivet]

How did they dry the whole fucking area

This is some dedication

[silk dirge]

i think i actually got muted once for spamming clown emojis after fucking like

[sinful nimbus]

Clown emoji spam was like 2023 and Dyno autoreacted with 🪞 if you posted that

[silk dirge]

tga 2021 or 2022

[snow sonnet]

I remember the great crashout of dec 2020 indie world direct lmao

[edgy nebula]

karak fell before the citadel, presumably due to gms doing something with the water

[snow sonnet]

Which is funny cuz a few days later we got edge

[edgy nebula]

it couldve been something else and the citadel couldve taken the water later but i doubt it

[abstract rivet]

speaking of tga, Silksong has a 100% chance of being nominated for Best Indie and Game of The Year.. its a fun year to watch tga

[sinful nimbus]

Biggest crashout I remember is in 2025 when we... got news but people didn't like it

[snow sonnet]

The demo?

[sinful nimbus]

The Xbox thing

[abstract rivet]

looking back on silksanity era we were all fools

[snow sonnet]

Oh ye people felt jebaited by no release date there still

[edgy nebula]

what is this, some type of colosseum?

[snow sonnet]

I personally didn't mind it much, was glad to have some reconfirmation on the game being this year

[abstract rivet]

I guess the fool of the colosseum of fools was really us from the start

[vestal swan]

Why are y'all going down memory lane of everyone being insufferable
This is lore

[silk dirge]

memories are silksong lore

[abstract rivet]

sorry gang

[edgy nebula]

ngl i wasnt a huge fan of lost verdania

it’s just a huge puzzle, i wish there was more exploration

better than just going straight into the fight but i wish we got more

[silk dirge]

what silksong thing would absolutely be classified as a silkpost before release(make them lore related things)

[abstract rivet]

nice atmosphere, nice boss and awesome soundtrack I like puzzles, also the lore for it is very sad

[foggy fractal]

let's talk about timelines lowkey

[muted lantern]

As for secsens pronouns do they go by it or they? It calls itself it but hornet uses they in hj

[abstract rivet]

i think a DLC to expand the verdania-lost verdania type of thing to other areas (Blasted Steps-Sands of Karak, Bilewater, Greymoor, etc) would be cool and we’d see so many lore pieces of the area which would be really nice

[sinful nimbus]

Wait for SS was funner than SS itself don't @ me 🥱

[edgy nebula]

who is secsens

[vestal swan]

🚫

[muted lantern]

Second sentinel

[silk dirge]

@sinful nimbus

[abstract rivet]

🚫

[edgy nebula]

probably it

[muted lantern]

@notstarpengu

[edgy nebula]

hornet consistently uses they in journal entries

[sinful nimbus]

So you like Act 3?

[abstract rivet]

I dont think 2024 was a fun year to wait for Silksong man

[abstract rivet]

its peak

[sinful nimbus]

2024 was fun because everyone shut up about Silksong and focused on more important topics

[muted lantern]

Star is like the one aunt at Thanksgiving that's had too much wine but instead of racism it's talking about act 3 and red memory

[sinful nimbus]

With the occasional "No man Silksong will be an alive kingdom and void won't be returning because TC are better writers than that"

[snow sonnet]

Act 2 >= 1 > 3

[edgy nebula]

and lace and hornet being bad aswell

[sinful nimbus]

This is agreeable

[edgy nebula]

only cool thing about act 3 was the successor lore

[muted lantern]

I mean that ones just facts but I digress

[sinful nimbus]

Entering Deep Docks and Blasted Steps was magical I kinda wish Act 2 had more of that though

But the Citadel is really cool too

[abstract rivet]

2 > 3 > 1

[abstract rivet]

Cogwork Core and Choral Chambers is way more magical in terms of entering it

[naive kernel]

act 2>=3>1

[edgy nebula]

cogworks core theme is the first theme i really got to HEAR

[silk dirge]

title screen > 1 >= 2 >= 3

[naive kernel]

i agree

[sinful nimbus]

Choral Chambers and Cogwork Core don't have hype lore tablets building them up

[edgy nebula]

it’s so striking and loud and i like that

[snow sonnet]

They didn't need any honestly

[abstract rivet]

Because they dont need those

[sinful nimbus]

Also Choral Chambers was kinda soured a bit by Lace confirming puppetmaster higher being

[muted lantern]

Act a²+b²=c² is best

[sinful nimbus]

That was just.... wow

[barren beacon]

So why does the White Lady not accept the Delicate Flower?

[abstract rivet]

How is this souring bro

[edgy nebula]

mister mushroom postcredits scene > ending credits > title screen > act 2 > act 1 > act 3

[sinful nimbus]

7 years man

[silk dirge]

act dx/dy 5x^2 was the best

[sinful nimbus]

7 years of "Puppetmaster higher being is too obvious to be the entire thing"

(It was the entire thing)

[snow sonnet]

Deltarune syndrome where people deny things for being "too obvious"

[abstract rivet]

REAL

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah like Kris Knight

The look on the doubters faces when Kris created a dark fountain

[abstract rivet]

silksong is a worthy sequel and could be even better than the original with some tweaks and possibly Godhome for more replayability

[silk dirge]

godhome equivalent

[sinful nimbus]

That's what hurts yeah

[silk dirge]

i do not want them to copy paste godhome

[abstract rivet]

Same

[sinful nimbus]

It could've been like insanely insanely good but it fell short

[muted lantern]

Silksong would be peak if they had vivziepop write it

[silk dirge]

i wish void was better integrated into the plot

[snow sonnet]

I see them as 2 tasty as hell cakes, don't necessarily prefer one over the hour

[silk dirge]

they couldve cooked with the weaver void experiments in absolom

and made something cool out of that

bc i like void and i was a big proponent of the idea the abyss is under everything pre release

[abstract rivet]

I think we could theme Godhome about how we go to the past and Weavers/Conductors set up Symphonies and those symphonies are a boss rush

Where you have to learn melodies of each boss rush for something idk

Definetly not the best lore making sense idea but it could be cool

[snow sonnet]

Godhome-equivelant should give us a buffed Khann and Groal

[silk dirge]

i wonder if steel city might be related to the boss rush

[abstract rivet]

I’d wanna see buffed GMS and Fourth Chorus

also 10 more laces please thanks Team Cherry!

[sinful nimbus]

Buffed GMS 🙏

[silk dirge]

prime gms

[foggy fractal]

lost gms 🤑

[abstract rivet]

please don’t add Void to ts

[fresh badger]

Crust Mother Silk

[silk dirge]

lost kratt

[regal crow]

Why was pinmaster in shell wood? Spent the whole game in that tiny house and suddenly decided to go for a walk mid-apocalypse?

[abstract rivet]

Void stands out in all of the areas in a bad way in act 3

My choral chambers is meant to be yellow, not black-yellow-dark blue slop

[silk dirge]

my choral chambers is meant to have the mexico filter on them

[sinful nimbus]

He's saying bye to a loved one

[regal crow]

Oh

[foggy fractal]

oh I won't but they will... (Team Cherry bursts out of the wall with buckets of black paint (void))

[regal crow]

Who?

[abstract rivet]

Mourning someone probably

[sinful nimbus]

Their name is "Melatolla" and they're buried in Shellwood

[muted lantern]

His dead wife I think

[regal crow]

Wait a minute, is it that whip miniboss we fought?

[muted lantern]

No that's just some guy

[silk dirge]

much better

[snow sonnet]

The demons calling to Team Cherry to add a Shade Lord boss fight

[muted lantern]

When the fajitas come out sizzlin

[regal crow]

Too cheesy

[abstract rivet]

Are the judge enemies fond of sand or they dislike it

are those guys fishes

[foggy fractal]

THE INFECTION ???

[muted lantern]

Anakin Skywalker mindset

[abstract rivet]

greymoor birds >

[muted lantern]

Someone needs to make a master Skywalker what are we going to do? Meme with hornet and the baby judges

[sinful nimbus]

[silk dirge]

remember when people thought phantom was void

[sinful nimbus]

Proud to say I was never a Phantom void truther

Instead I was a Phantom Kitsune truther (Which is more lore than she has in the game right now anyway )

[foggy fractal]

i wasn't a truther in anything i wasn't thinking

[silk dirge]

no mind to think

no voice to cry truth

[snow sonnet]

When will this emote and Karmelita's be renamed smh

[sinful nimbus]

They can't keep erasing the true Silksong

First its renamed to #sk-discussion and now this?

They even deleted Jokerpsa

[foggy fractal]

I legit had to jokerpsa someone and it was fuckin' gone

[silk dirge]

ok im glad about that one

[sinful nimbus]

I guess

Now we can differentiate between prime #ss-discussion and the fake evil #sk-discussion where people are actually talking about the game

[foggy fractal]

who are the only based weavers

[sinful nimbus]

First Sinner

[silk dirge]

herrah

[foggy fractal]

how about the other historical ones

[silk dirge]

nah

also idk if you guys saw it i have more evidence for fs = atla

all the weaver effigies seem to correspond to the weaver spire in their area

the one near mosshome talks about healing, the lore tablet under the spire talks about healing

the one in shellwood talks about protection which is the same thing the lore tablet under the shellwood spire talks about

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah its peak

[sinful nimbus]

Citadel Henchman

Or not even henchman they ruled it

[silk dirge]

some people have talked about how first sinner might be a biblical reference

especially eva would point in that direction

[sinful nimbus]

I don't care who they send i am NOT respecting the name Eva

Get the human names out of my bug world 💔

[silk dirge]

alright then im naming my child cardinius

[sinful nimbus]

God bless

[silk dirge]

hornet is pretty clearly saying it many times

[sinful nimbus]

Well Hornet doesn't have her Silksong abilities in HK

[abstract rivet]

“Experience tells me, Gods also can fall.” Hornet Dialogue with Lace when they meet at Choral Chambers. While this may refer to Radiance/Pale King, it still gives a bit of confirmation nonetheless

[silk dirge]

"i have stood the sentinel for one dying land... that role i will never play again"

[abstract rivet]

^

[silk dirge]

tk when hornet pulls out bola voltvessels and spams them all at once

wdym

[sinful nimbus]

Don't diss TK

The Knight would mog Hornet Hornet is actually a wimp all my homies hate Hornet

[silk dirge]

hornet was never a sentinel for pharloom

[abstract rivet]

Hornet is one of my favourite characters the knight is just corny aura farming character wow

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet is a corny aura farmer

[silk dirge]

"that role i will never play again"

why would she go back to it after saying she wouldnt again do it

[sinful nimbus]

"Do I almost feel fear?" real text from Silksong btw 😭 🙏

[foggy fractal]

who is a casual aura farmer

[abstract rivet]

No the knight is a worse corny aura farmer

[sinful nimbus]

TK was a casual aura farmer it didn't come off as trying too hard

[abstract rivet]

you’re so cool for being silent bro

Silent People piss me off

[silk dirge]

i mean yeah but why would she do it for hallownest

it seems to apply to everything

[abstract rivet]

Hornet dunks on Knight as a character

[silk dirge]

she wont be a sentinel for hallownest or pharloom

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong recontexualizes TK's silence as it absolutely hating that Hornet gal constantly running her mouth about things she has no idea about and saying corny stuff like "Those who claim themselves gods can rarely match the title"

[abstract rivet]

TK is corny i will diss them for life thanks for saving me lil bro i hope to never see you

[silk dirge]

the princess protector is what we see in hk tho

[sinful nimbus]

Tbh if I had a conversation with Hornet I wouldn't want to talk either

[silk dirge]

so shed be going back basically

[sinful nimbus]

Worlds worst written MC of all time

[silk dirge]

i think you need to suffer more english classes

[abstract rivet]

I think you love the game too much that you hate it

its ok bro

[sinful nimbus]

idk what you're reading in your english class but I'm sure it doesn't have "Do I almost feel fear?" "Those who claim themselves gods can rarely match the title" and "Pharloom shall quickly learn the curse of this substance"

[sinful nimbus]

I fell in love with Silksong the myth and got hit with the cold harsh reality of Silksong the man

Nah just kidding I like the game I just think Hornet is amusing

[silk dirge]

i mean im not currently in one but supposed books of literary merit are usually ass tbh

[abstract rivet]

happens to the best of us

[proud mulch]

That would be very helpful! Make sure to send them this doc, that lists how to best submit images, and lists the most notable uncaptured areas. Do you know when they'll be going? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TStzFo5rNTLWg2mwKlJBs-oBhmfTUrQy6Hl2KQH0rAo/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.onju2udblzfo

[sinful nimbus]

Could you imagine if Red Memory ended in a Grimm cameo

I think I'd cry

TEARS OF JOY BECAUSE MY GOAT POGOBRO WAS RIGHT

[abstract rivet]

Do I almost feel fear?

[sinful nimbus]

I am not my kin, maker 🥶 I've seen enough pain born of their dominion 🔥 ✍️

[snow sonnet]

Silksong The Idea vs Silksong The Man

[sinful nimbus]

Is this the mandela effect

I could've sworn it was Mario the Myth

[teal drift]

Not sure i go to metroidvanias for literary merit tbh. More of a gameplay loop thing.

Hornet is a bit corny but I kind of expect that from a demigod hero.

[sinful nimbus]

I wasn't really playing for the story either and it still found a way to disappoint me

If you aren't going to commit to adding a great story sure whatever but going out of your way to slander the previous good one with nonsensical lore reveals and retroactively making certain characters unlikeable douches, that's deeply disappointing

[short cave]

RIP conductor romino LMAOOOO

[charred nimbus]

you're hating on silksong again?

[sinful nimbus]

This is the first time I've ever hated Silksong idk what you're talking about

[lethal burrow]

you like silksong how league fans like League of Legends

[sinful nimbus]

The difference is that I don't play Silksong daily 🗣️

[muted lantern]

you just talk about it daily lol

[foggy fractal]

what was the knight's biggest aura moments

[muted lantern]

killing nailsmith

[sinful nimbus]

Void Heart and Dream No More

[foggy fractal]

🥶 chills...

[opaque pier]

Literally the starting animation in hk, it shows that they stand on business 😤

[arctic cliff]

Hk interconnections vs hkss interconnections

Damn

[barren beacon]

Why did the White Lady not accept the Delicate Flower in HK

[opaque pier]

No reason to

[opaque pier]

Kinda cool ngl

[teal drift]

See i think im just not on the same beat as “skong made hk ridiculous”

[fathom pollen]

the godmaster ending is the ending before silksong right?

[fossil ledge]

Probably drawing its nail towards the Radiance while it resembles a sun

[hard widget]

The dialogue you get after void heart, specifically bardoon jinn and the white lady

[fathom pollen]

also do yal'l think it was the white flower variation or not?

i forgot the cutscene before lost lace, but does the flower, repel or destroy void? i heard of a theory that it teleports it but tht was before silksong

[vestal swan]

This game tells us that the flower repels but the way it behaves is not consistent

We don't know what it actually did in the first game because they didn't explain it

[fathom pollen]

fair enough

[lean temple]

It seems to destroy or repel Void given forms specifically, not liquid void

[fossil ledge]

Does seem like it, but given both the Void Given Focus and the shades appear as flashes, perhaps this suggests either EtV or DNM are viable. I'm more inclined to believe it's EtV cause the Hollow Knight's shade doesn't show up during the flash, but we do see the Knight in their Void Given Form state, so

[strange folio]

whats her conection with the little flies as they where near her and she was conducting them before the first fight?

[fathom pollen]

hmmm, was horned abducted by the citadel while in or out of hallownest? if out i wonder for what reason she left it, considering hallownest could've gone into the same state as act 3 pharloom

[vestal swan]

In hollownest

[fathom pollen]

she didn't mention or apear to be searching for a soluton

[lean temple]

Likely in
"Full chamber to the Kingdom of the White Wyrm"

[lean temple]

It wouldn't have since TK was controlling the Void there

[hidden crater]

Romino shot in the blasted steps 81 times

[fathom pollen]

yeah, it's interesting how the knight is more of a strong force within the void rather than in complete control of it considering void tendrils lash out at hornet during her dive

[hard widget]

If the void spans the entire world of hollow knight this makes sense

It’s the biggest fish in an ocean

[lean temple]

Yeah and Hornet didn't even consider the possibility of TK helping, which is interesting. Could she not have known about them being Lord of Shades?

[dry bridge]

on that topic, what do we think a full chamber is composed of? We know there's a handfull of envoys escorting the cage, but notes for the losses when subduing other weavers include choristers, reeds, and envoys, not just the envoys escorting hornet

[hard widget]

She probably thought it was dead after dream no more

[lean temple]

It's some kinda military unit. I don't know the exact composition

[hard widget]

Full chamber might be the name of that type of cage or the level of runic power on it, a non full cage could be what the slab bugs use

[lean temple]

A chamber is likely a group of Choir soldiers

[vestal swan]

At the very least she didn't expect them to show up, she wasn't about to go all the way home for backup she decided to delve into a memory for a flower

[hard widget]

Oh wait real

[vestal swan]

A full chamber is like a whole ass orchestra

She was a half wyrm/weaver and they sent the troops

[dry bridge]

nah hornet's capture choral commandment note is "quell with rune cage" at the end, it would be weird to mention it twice

[lean temple]

Yeah they expected a fight

[compact pollen]

hornet fell from here in the opening cutscene right? because of the exit to the kingdom to the west
not from all the way at the top of the blasted steps

[dry bridge]

the fact that they sent the troops and there's only like, 8 envoys tops to carry the cage left (not including a possible unseen advance party to clear the way) implies that they sent the troops and hornet actually did manage to kill most of them before the cage got her, which is pretty impressive

wait no was thinking of the wrong enemy, reeds are the flying guys

[lean temple]

Hornet is stronk

[compact pollen]

meanwhile one random fly in far fields:

[lean temple]

I imagine they just chucked the cage at her

[vestal swan]

These cages don't have flat bottoms like slab ones

[dry bridge]

I was thinking of grand reeds though I suppose they probably sent those too, they just never lost any in the other weaver notes so we don't know 100% if they're on weaver retrieval teams

[vestal swan]

They probably had to win the fight first

[lean temple]

Yeah I meant in more of a hail mary move

[silk dirge]

choristors are the ground fighting guys in the citadel

envoys are the ones in the intro

[lean temple]

Hornet doesn't mention them sending a Grand Reed

[dry bridge]

this is true, I was thinking of the wrong enemy

[silk dirge]

why are there ministers near the cages in the cradle tho

[hard widget]

I think the grand reeds are exclusive to that one part of the citadel, also I don’t think any mechanical enemies are anywhere outside the citadel sans fourth chorus

[silk dirge]

i dont think ministers were sent as fighters

ministers if people arent aware are the other high halls enemy

the one without cogflies

[dry bridge]

I personally will be imagining them sending the equivalent of the entire high halls gauntlet after hornet to wear her down enough to get her in the cage

[lean temple]

They were servants to the Conductors directly

[silk dirge]

i dont think they sent choir clappers over

yeah but they werent fighters i think

[lean temple]

Hornet only mentions envoys sadly but we can expect a large mix was sent after her

[silk dirge]

hornet mentions the haunting has made them lethal in ways she hasnt thought

[lean temple]

The ministers yeah

It's funny how Hornet's notes on the mightiest Choir enemies is like "they use silk crudely"

Both Grand Reeds and Choir Clappers

[silk dirge]

i think its funny to think literally every citadel enemy in the game wouldve respected hornet in a past era

if they werent haunted

[lean temple]

Yeah, and Hornet would've been intrigued by them

Grand Reeds still use Weaver techniques, despite doing it more crudely and less elegantly

[dry bridge]

which is funny when hornet goes "their use of silk from a spool shows clear skill" for the choristors

[lean temple]

Exactly lol

It's like she admits it's above the skill of a normal bug, but still less than the skill of a Weaver

[hard widget]

Hornet spending all of her time in the pre haunting core because she’s a tool goblin

[lean temple]

She would've spent her time learning Weaver tech if they were still around

Even the Silkshot was enough to stump her

[hard widget]

Oh true, she’d have a triple barrel bellbeast mounted AA silkshot

[silk dirge]

do we think if whiteward never happened gms would have been kept asleep longer

[hard widget]

Maybe not longer but she’d have less reach

[lean temple]

Maybe not asleep but I think definitely less of a grasp on the Haunting

[hard widget]

I wonder if the amount of minds she’s taken brings her closer to waking up

[lean temple]

She does want to "bind them all" for some reason

[hard widget]

Becuase in hk the infection spreading was a result of the vessel breaking and notthe other way around

[silk dirge]

i mean isnt whiteward the reason the haunting happened

the way i understood it implanting silk into themselves allowed gms to take control slowly and start waking up

and then it just snowballs from there until everything is haunted

[lean temple]

I think it accelerated and strengthened it, but idk if GMS could've had influence even without

[silk dirge]

bc idt anyone was haunted before whiteward

[lean temple]

It really makes you think when all of this started going down, bcz Whiteward would have to be after Weavers took off

But then something had to make them run away so suddenly

They definitely sensed they needed to get the hell out

[silk dirge]

maybe that when first sinner happens

[lean temple]

And they still mention GMS's silken sight, so maybe she was already starting to stir?

[silk dirge]

idk

[dry bridge]

I think the haunting was more caused by the conductors going "hmm yes you will work the rest of your life in the underworks" to a large majority of the bugs who show up to the citadel, decreasing the number of bugs available to actually do whatever it is that kept GMS asleep

[silk dirge]

yeah possibly

[lean temple]

I mean they built the whole cogwork core

Like what more could you need

The whole place is a giant music box

[dry bridge]

it's possible the song of bugs is somehow different to the mechanical song of the core

[lean temple]

I think maybe GMS was gonna awaken no matter what. It could only be delayed

Perhaps when the Weavers realized this, they booked it and set up the Citadel to delay as much as possible

[silk dirge]

i mean they wouldve died out without whiteward so yeah

[dry bridge]

(I think I read a fanfic where the replacement of choir bugs in favor of the musical core was the reason for gms waking, but I don't know if it's backed up by anything in particular or if that author just thought it'd be neat)

[silk dirge]

what do we think the "silksong" sounded like

[lean temple]

The ost called silksong maybe :)

[silk dirge]

i dont think it was the threefold melody

i mean like the song that kept gms asleep

[lean temple]

Interesting the Weavers said "Never to cease. Never to silence."
So they thought the Citadel would last but still ran away regardless?

[silk dirge]

i think maybe choral chambers or high halls themes

i mean if they stayed they would need to bear that burden

[dry bridge]

psalm cylinder "voices of the Choir, raised in sacred song" is probably at least a part of it

[silk dirge]

nah you know what music probably kept gms asleep

"last surgery of the conductor mizello, performed in whitewards operating theatre"

[lean temple]

I mean they say that they're still not free of her web, so I wonder how much they thought they were in control

[foggy fractal]

iirc the menu theme is called "Silksong"

[silk dirge]

maybe they thought she would always be in control because they had to bear the burden of keeping her asleep

[lean temple]

I guess that's how they would always be "in her web"

[silk dirge]

yeah

it would make sense

[lean temple]

Could be, and weaving them free is someone finally usurping her, which they couldn't do

[silk dirge]

i love the word they use in that rune harp

"silken strength"

[lean temple]

They could only put her to sleep and live forever in fear of her awakening

And hell she hunted down seemingly every last one even before awakening

[hard widget]

Every one we know of besides that one alive in hallownest

[lean temple]

That was a long time ago

Probably got snatched as well

[hard widget]

Doubtful becuase they went for hornet instead

[lean temple]

She's a higher priority target

And that one would've made it out of Hallownest anyway

Tho idk why she stayed behind

[sterile jacinth]

The one that’s probably haunted 😅

[vestal swan]

The other one was likely a full weaver

[lean temple]

And Hornet is half god

[vestal swan]

Weaver part is what GMS wants

[fathom hill]

public whiteward operation would go hard

[lean temple]

Hornet is still strong with silk

[silk dirge]

me getting the popcorn to watch them perform surgery on conductor mizello(surely nothing will go wrong)

[lean temple]

And I didn't say the other one didn't get snatched

[vestal swan]

You said higher priority

Doesn't line up with their goals to prioritize a half weaver

[silk dirge]

maybe hornets wyrm lineage made her a better target

[fathom hill]

going with the kids for a family activity

🔥

[sterile jacinth]

We don’t know who was captured first or if that weaver was even captured

[silk dirge]

maybe the weaver we see in hk went to god knows where that not even gms could sense her

she just fucking ran in the wastelands

with her silkspeed anklets

[lean temple]

I admit I was rationalising based on what the other person said

[sterile jacinth]

Isn’t she haunted

[silk dirge]

infected?

[sterile jacinth]

That one

[silk dirge]

i dont think so

i wonder if the infection can get higher beings

like could radiance infect gms

[fathom hill]

dunno abt this

since Hornet does say something like they will go after her anyways

[lean temple]

She has white eyes so no (hallownest weaver)

[sterile jacinth]

Ooh ok

So we don’t know what happened to her

[lean temple]

Yeah

[sterile jacinth]

She might be the last

[lean temple]

Not likely. Mentally too strong

[sterile jacinth]

Yeah they’re both hb. I wonder if they’d kinda just absorb each other?

Doubt it tho I think they’d just kill each other

[muted lantern]

i take everything nice i said about squatcraws back

[lean temple]

I mean even PK couldn't kill Rad

Likely Rad cannot kill a physical HB

[vestal swan]

He didn't really try

[sinful nimbus]

Squatcraws are the goats

[vestal swan]

Now hold on

[sinful nimbus]

Craws run on pure aura

[vestal swan]

She could detonate all the infection and collapse the region and take out WL and maybe hurt Unn

TC really said, y'all are inspired by our game? Steals your crows

[sinful nimbus]

Can't believe there's the possibility that Crowsworn will be more enjoyable than SS 🥀

I feel bad for ever doubting

[muted lantern]

their ranged attack is perfectly fine, but their rng movement kills me constantly on my one mask run, they can drop out of the air on a dime with no telegraph and hit you immediately, so the only safe way to fight them is to sit around and wait for them to land

[lean temple]

Well, she didn't. Even if we accept PK didn't even try like you said, Rad would've had the motivation to try and yet she either didn't or wasn't able to.

[sinful nimbus]

She can't just explode every infected at will lmao what

She needs to deform their body and fill it with enough explosive substance first

PK on the other hand...

[lean temple]

Idk ask weapon

[sinful nimbus]

Soul manipulation on such a widespread scale he could probably do and Flickering Flame is now a thing so he can just scorch everything

Or he could go full Shagaru Magala and just frenzy everything with soul infection which also now exists

[lean temple]

I can already feel the 🚫 coming

[vestal swan]

I mean she absolutely could, but I meant what was already there

[nova basalt]

So is the climb to the citadel not as hard as the pilgrims make it out to be or is Hornet simply at an advantage?

[sinful nimbus]

She's at an advantage

Hornet's a demigod with magic abilities

[dry bridge]

hornet is at a severe advantage compared to the pilgrims

[lean temple]

The humble judges who will murder you on the spot if you're "sinful"

[dry bridge]

at bare minimum, she's allowed to have a weapon, which pilgrims are just straight up forbidden from having

[lean temple]

And she can use fast travel

[dry bridge]

and at maximum she's an experienced hunter, demigod, and has access to the ability to bind the memories of others, weavers in particular, as her own

[dry bridge]

less important when your only goal is getting up to the citadel, but yeah

[lean temple]

Pilgrims aren't good enough for Eira, so deemed the Citadel

[sinful nimbus]

Oh shoot he's actually an Oltura if you think about it

Giant worm into Butterfly

[lean temple]

Wyrms exist in MH right

[sinful nimbus]

I don't recall anything being called a wyrm specifically but there are some similar things

[fathom hill]

she is the example of just doing the pilgrimage by force alone

[lean temple]

Dalamadur

[fathom hill]

either you are sinless or skip everything by killing the judges

[sinful nimbus]

I'll do 4U someday

[silk dirge]

i like how shermas just "im a pilgrim just like you" when hornet doesnt look anything like any other pilgrim

[sinful nimbus]

Like PK Dalamadur is rumored to have created the world

[fathom hill]

sherma don't discriminate

[lean temple]

We know two Pilgrims reached there somehow, before Last Judge murdered them

[silk dirge]

like yeah sure bud hornet is horned pilgrim #150

[fathom hill]

Ah yeah of course

[silk dirge]

last judge probably murdered them bc hornet was there

[lean temple]

And Sherma is seemingly sinless

[fathom hill]

but they didn't kill last judge now did they

[silk dirge]

hornet is a kill on sight most likely

im assuming lj is haunted

[fathom hill]

The door literally stays permanently open cuz of hornet

[dry bridge]

honestly, judges are probably the least of a pious pilgrim's worries

[fathom hill]

She just skipped judgement

[lean temple]

Well yeah but LJ didn't mind committing manslaughter

[silk dirge]

i mean to her they probably were guilty by association

[fathom hill]

Ig we don't know how actually difficult it was before the haunting

The haunting definitely makes everything way more dangerous

but the caretaker does question how do people even keep on showing on the citadel lmao

[lean temple]

I mean Hornet just got there. She isn't associated with them in any way. Sounds like judicial corruption to me

[silk dirge]

no shit

[lean temple]

And the Citadel is hypocritical af anyway

[silk dirge]

the citadel judiciary is probably corrupt af

court of craws tho

0 corruption there

[lean temple]

Ofc

[fathom hill]

wait sherma does only show up into the citadel after last judge no?

maybe he ain't sinless he just went through the open door

[lean temple]

He mentions the judges being nice

[fathom hill]

Though I'm not sure if he stills shows up with the mist route

[lean temple]

So they weren't attacking him anyway

[fathom hill]

Yah but these are regular judges ig, and that's before last judge I'm sure

I'm curious now

[silk dirge]

did sherma ring all the bells

idt he did

[fathom hill]

i mean we did

[lean temple]

My boy will be let in on faith alone

[fathom hill]

idk the bell thing is weird

[silk dirge]

do you need to ring all the bells to get needolin

[fathom hill]

Since I'm guessing it's a personal thing since judgement is not collective, but like

[acoustic flume]

did these guys inspire the barnak's in putrified ducts?

[fathom hill]

the bells are like a physical thing that cannot be unrung

[silk dirge]

what game is this

[fathom hill]

how does the citadel know who rung what

[silk dirge]

if its hl2 then yeah probably

[acoustic flume]

half life 2

[silk dirge]

most likely then

[acoustic flume]

yeah, they both suck up things with their tounges, so that's why I thought team cherry would've been inspired by them

Wouldn't it just make sense to thing one is inspired by em

[fathom hill]

is the needolin even like

something people beside weavers use

[silk dirge]

no

[fathom hill]

i mean obviously ig the harp could be

[acoustic flume]

the needolin requires silk, so unless someone has a silk generation in them, then only weavers can use them

[silk dirge]

but i dont think sherma rang the bell shrines

[fathom hill]

since the needolin is made of hornets needle and what not

[silk dirge]

otherwise idk how the bell shrines work

[fathom hill]

Exactly

[lean temple]

Don't know tbh

[sinful nimbus]

Foreshadowing that bad stuff is about to go down (GMS waking up/Weaver Queen ending/Snared Silk Void apocalypse)

[fathom hill]

These are weird like

[silk dirge]

i think theres definitely gameplay vs lore shit going on with those benches

[sinful nimbus]

Ohh

[fathom hill]

does the lever reset or something?

[silk dirge]

theyre definitely not meant to stay up i think

[silk dirge]

i would assume so

[sinful nimbus]

No I don't assume Dies Irae as we think about it is a diegetic concept within Silksong

[silk dirge]

every pilgrim has to ring the bells on their way up

[lean temple]

How does the Citadel track which pilgrim rang which bells?

[fathom hill]

exactly the question huh

do the silk flies snitch

[lean temple]

Those lil snitches lemme tell ya

[fathom hill]

diabolical memory of theirs in that case

how do they tell every pilgrim apart

they literally have same sprite

[lean temple]

The needolin is a "holy Weaver talent"

So Weavers could probably turn their Needles into Needolins whenever they wanted

[fathom hill]

I mean sherma does use the power of song (more like musical instrument) and is deemed sinless by the reg judges

[lean temple]

Well makeshift yeah but it wouldn't have the same magic music yknow

[fathom hill]

Maybe Sherma is just living like the citadel intends for him

[silk dirge]

yeah but it wouldnt be the same

[acoustic flume]

What is the true ending of hk? Because in ss's true ending, you see the void given focus at the end for a split second and for the rest being void given form. That makes me suspect that EtV would be the true ending because possible the Shade Lord could shape shift between void forms. Either way, DNM could still be the cannon ending due to void given focus being the main shown, and its uncontrollable shapeshifting. (Possibly uncontrollable.) Finally, it could not be any of the other three endings, due to Delicate Flower teleporting the Shade Lord away, and SS and THK trapping you inside the black egg with no infection. So what do you think? Embrace the Void, or Dream No More?

[fathom hill]

Since song is important for the citadel regardless

what others use musical instruments?

The bell guys

the ones that got hornet

if that's an instrument

[lean temple]

Yeah, but the pins lodged in Widow's back look a lot like needles

[fathom hill]

they do make noise tbf

[silk dirge]

i think those are probably the same things as the quick heal item

[fathom hill]

Oh yeah

[dry bridge]

hard to say! it could be ETV with the knight 'reverting' from the shade lord without the godseeker realm enhancing them, but still having that echo of the higher form, or it could be that the flicker of the shade lord is a way to show the potential of the knight & swarm of shades behind them to eventually ascend into that state, or representative of how the shades are now all acting as 'one' under the knight's will

in short, team cherry may or may not be messing with us on that one and keeping it intentionally ambiguous

[fathom hill]

i mean these are just pins

surgical pins

[fathom hill]

I like to believe the flower is the one but could be either as of now

I believe the pantheons are the ones cuz thk doesn't show with the shades

[acoustic flume]

But the DF couldn't do it, since they get teleported away, possible to another planet without void or something.

[dry bridge]

well, the injector band surgical pins are a lot smaller but they are in fact both pins, the difference being widow's are piercing into her silk organ(s) instead of to aid in the insertion of silk into deep wounds

[fathom hill]

It just makes sense for me in a like the flower being the meeting point with both games, since it both it has some significance

plus the whole kindness aspect of it but

[acoustic flume]

But the knight clearly touches you and puts you and Lace onto the void thing.

[fathom hill]

Yah they both have opposite uses

[fathom hill]

wym

also p5 is just like the epitome of everything you did, not only is the most difficult thing to do apart from path of pain it also just revisits the whole game

with flower which yknow you have to bring down there

But again it could really be either

I'll say they teleported down to the abyss idc

[lean temple]

P5 is way way harder than PoP tbh

[fathom hill]

also how does the flower just teleport void

[acoustic flume]

mainly because you don't get check points

[fathom hill]

I put that in case someone mentions it

Some have said that p5 was easier for them so like

Idk good for them ig idc

[lean temple]

Idk about the teleporting. For me it seems to make Void with form vanish

[fathom hill]

I did believe this but the casket is gone?

[craggy smelt]

hard to tell
GMS also seems to vanish into like a Void vortex, but she's being sent into the Abyss

[fathom hill]

Ah yeah

[lean temple]

In that case it was a portal

[fathom hill]

but they didn't use a flower

[lean temple]

But with the Everbloom, like if it only teleports the Void why would they make it out to be this effective weapon

[fathom hill]

It only says to repel

[craggy smelt]

if you think about it, teleporting and banishing are kind've the same thing

banishing is like teleporting something back to its point of origin

[lean temple]

The lighthouse

I mean lighthouse keeps it subdued

Well yeah but Everbloom is also light, so what IS special about it then?

Hmm

[craggy smelt]

they keep things loose
figure out the details later (or never)

[lean temple]

I do think so

[fathom hill]

I really wonder about what would have happened in the non flower pantheon ending

does hallownest just get sucked into void or it just stays there in the junk pit

[lean temple]

The Everbloom also can only repel formed Void without destroying liquid void (or maybe there was way too much of it idk)

[fathom hill]

Does the radiance lash out like gms did?

yeah but thats cuz the higher being was special since the haunting

Those threads are not natural to the void, but rather the haunting being mixed with void since gms was resisting

[craggy smelt]

I imagine that when Hornet's adventure was DLC, it probably was set up to take place after P5 and would have been something like what we see in Pharloom
i.e. the Void is all over the place and Hornet has to settle it down

[lean temple]

But don't forget LoS TK is there to keep things under control post P5

[fathom hill]

Maybe the void could have manifested in the infected bugs since thats her reach

?

but we do see thk exiting the egg though

[dark rune]

it mustve been mad lonely as hornet in hallownest

[fathom hill]

nevermind prolly not

[craggy smelt]

Void consumes and replaces Infection like how it replaced the Haunting, basically

[fathom hill]

No but like thk is void anyways

we are so back

[dark rune]

i wonder if she talked to people like elderbug and lemm

[fathom hill]

In that case wouldn't that disregard that ending since hornet doesn't mention anything about it?

I mean she got kidnapped in the wyrm dominion or something

so she 100% was in hallownest

[lean temple]

Yeah I doubt Hallownest had a Void apocalypse

And like, the place has Everblooms. They're good

[fathom hill]

do we see this though?

from what i remember it was just like the tendrils coming from inside the casket

Like the void tendrils in the abyss

I'll check again

[lean temple]

I imagine Hornet frantically rushing to WL like "PULL OUT THE SECRET STASH OF EVERBLOOMS"

[fathom hill]

You're right

lmao that's true

tc i swear to god

[lean temple]

And WL is like wtf did you kids do

[lyric rose]

The true villain in Pharloom is the dude in Whiteward. We never see him but he’s gotta be out there, still performing horrific operations when called upon

[lean temple]

There were multiple surgeons

[lyric rose]

Yeah, but still, super evil what they do in service of perpetuating the Citadel

I’d say they’re totally at fault for that.

It sounds like they’re cracking open bugs’ chests and snapping their insides with cranks in the cylinder

[silk dirge]

last surgery of the conductor mizello, performed in whiteward's operating theatre 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[fathom hill]

the could do an ama in the future

[lyric rose]

I can hear the shredding and cracking open of the exoskeleton

[silk dirge]

i think the era of team cherry communicating is over 😭

[lean temple]

Never say never

[fathom hill]

didn't find the english ver of this meme

spanish jumpscare

[silk dirge]

me when "various small tweaks and fixes" are not actually small tweaks and fixes but major changes

[lyric rose]

https://tenor.com/view/spanish-inquisition-gif-20076214

[silk dirge]

such as verdania regrowing

[fathom hill]

I can dream

[sinful nimbus]

They won't do an AMA because they're too scared to answer if Gruzzer Milk is real

[lean temple]

Is that a thing

[lyric rose]

Well she’s gruz mother not gruz foster care…