sk-lore

[unreal nimbus]

but the beast chapel beastfly

has a sibling

and the sibling likes lava

because why not

lava is beastly

[mint stratus]

Beastflies are immune to lava because they are filled with evil

[unreal nimbus]

*beastly aura

[manic pewter]

groal are you immune to lava?

[unreal nimbus]

unfortunately no

i am a different kind of beastly

[mint stratus]

We have tested and confirmed that groal is not immune to lava

[unreal nimbus]

i am immune to muckmaggots tho

[unreal nimbus]

wait what

wait why is there a van outside my house

[mint stratus]

Don’t worry about it

It’s filled with lava :)

[unreal nimbus]

i need another shot of muckwater

[mint stratus]

What is groal anyway? He looks like a frog to me

[unreal nimbus]

frog probably

[manic pewter]

frog that can command soul

[unreal nimbus]

until a better option arises im going with frog

[unreal nimbus]

thanks to my best friend the snail shaman

who is dead

[mint stratus]

Maybe it’s like the giant bird on fay? Where they look like mammals/amphibians but are just bugs or beasts that resemble them

[unreal nimbus]

whats the deal with that bird anyway

what is it

[mint stratus]

I have no clue but the spiders seem to revere it

[edgy nebula]

inspired by frogs, possibly same bug as the stilkin dart shooters but larger with age

[covert night]

stilkin are bug that means groal is also a bug

"Cunning bug that hunts with darts fashioned from stake and bile." stilkin journal entry

[lethal burrow]

The vaultkeeper, they call the string down and summon waves of enemies.... they CALL the STRING DOWN.

the string, grandmother silk's string.

...does this not make you question a lot?
A vault keeper is controlling grandmother silks string?

[unreal nimbus]

isnt the haunting like a hive mind?

[edgy nebula]

many times is gms's silk called down while in the citadel, i dont think the vaultkeeper is any special

the vaultborn are the strong ones anyway, they can solo goku

[lethal burrow]

they notice us, stop, then yell some things, and the silk comes down

It's pretty weird

[edgy nebula]

maybe just a coincidence? iunno

[hidden crater]

Moss grub solos the entire dragon ball verse

[edgy nebula]

cant even beat mottled skarr

[unreal nimbus]

if gms is controlling everyone then its just gms making enemies exist

[edgy nebula]

also yeah the vaultkeeper is haunted too anyway

[muted lantern]

who would win giant moss grub or massive moss charger

[edgy nebula]

the giant rolling bug

[unreal nimbus]

marrowmaw?

[manic pewter]

giant moss grub does 2 masks

[edgy nebula]

yeah

[unreal nimbus]

mossgrub solos

[muted lantern]

yeah but consider massive moss charger is massive

[edgy nebula]

❌

[manic pewter]

moss charger is fundamentally a bunch of little guys

[unreal nimbus]

wait

[muted lantern]

minimal moss charger

[edgy nebula]

i wonder who the strongest last successor is

[unreal nimbus]

why would they be fighting

they are both moss

[muted lantern]

bad breakup

[unreal nimbus]

they would be friends

[manic pewter]

WHOOO SAID THAT

[unreal nimbus]

:|

[edgy nebula]

khann, nyleth, green princes, or karmelita

im a bit biased but in my humble opinion, khann

[muted lantern]

khann could hard counter any reddit user but probably karmelita overall

[unreal nimbus]

if were going by my death counts the order is (weakest to strongest) clover dancers, crust king khann, nyleth, karmelita

karmelita beat my ass

[covert night]

karmelita is definitely the strongest one

and she is the only one still alive in the game

[potent blaze]

i think its nyleth, she sustains an entire area that would cease to exist without her. karak could js have more sandy, less fish and karmelita wont have power over far fields but theyd still be far fields. clover dancers would have verdania taken over by

[unreal nimbus]

green prince

[covert night]

eh

[edgy nebula]

counterpoint, khann ruled half of pharloom until gms came along

[unreal nimbus]

he did?

[edgy nebula]

his journal entry also hints at him being a rather solid ruler, aside from some harsher values

[edgy nebula]

yeah, snail shamans state it, let me get the dialogue

[unreal nimbus]

oh

well that says a lot about your army

and your commanding skills

[edgy nebula]

voila

[covert night]

didnt know about that

[potent blaze]

fair enough but i still believe nyleth is a menace (she took me the 2nd longest to beat, khann took me 1 try, karmelita... we dont talk abt that

[potent blaze]

damn cool ash

[covert night]

ruling half of pharloom is crazy

[unreal nimbus]

yeah

wonder which half

[slow olive]

He had some tough soldiers ngl

Maybe upper half? From karak to putrified ducts?

[edgy nebula]

he probably ruled where the slab, citadel, wormways, blasted steps, moss grotto, and partially the marrow were located

[unreal nimbus]

thats kinda what i was thinking too

[mint stratus]

Something neat is that the moss druid talks about the beating hearts of the 3 past rulers before we even learn about them

[slow olive]

Im saying till putrified ducts coz that outer edge has water still

[unreal nimbus]

idk if that counts as water

[edgy nebula]

id imagine it as a water runoff from the karak order, inhabited by the once pure stilkin

[slow olive]

The water in fleatopia?

[unreal nimbus]

that does

the rest tho...

[slow olive]

I mean im assuming thats what the bilewater/putrified ducts water used to look like

Also based on shakra mentor's resting place

[mint stratus]

It could currently be classified as waste water

[covert night]

or bile water

[slow olive]

Dw groal im not blaming that on u king

[hidden crater]

Clearwater when

[rancid river]

This is why he killed her 💔

[mint stratus]

Pfft

[edgy nebula]

someone should actually draw clear water designs for the stilkin enemies and groal, ill do that tomorrow

[slow olive]

Do we know how the swamp pinstress died?

[unreal nimbus]

i gotta go sleep

[slow olive]

The swampstress

[edgy nebula]

wasted away and consumed by muck probably

[mint stratus]

COOL IDEA, you mind if I work on my own versions as well?

[unreal nimbus]

goodnight everybody

[slow olive]

Goodnight groal

[covert night]

having a water doesn't necessarily mean that place was ruled by khann tho

[manic pewter]

goodnight groal

[edgy nebula]

not at all, itll be fun to see, ill proobably draw mine tomorrow since it's 1 am

[unreal nimbus]

goodnight ness from earthbound

[mint stratus]

🫡 goodnight groal

[covert night]

goodnight groal

[edgy nebula]

goodnight self proclaimed everyones favorite boss

[unreal nimbus]

goodnight fake ruler

[rancid river]

Goodnight Groal. Sleep well and dream of many many mucked maggots

[hidden crater]

I hope your pillow is hot

[unreal nimbus]

i shall

[unreal nimbus]

i hope a muckmaggot goes in your mouth while you sleep

[edgy nebula]

groal sleeps on a water bed full of gamer tears

[mint stratus]

And I hope your pillow is cold, and with our powers combined you will have a normal pillow

[edgy nebula]

he doesnt get hot

ok im going to bed too probably

and remember! mottled skarr, skynx, khann, et cetera solo every pale being and god in the hollow knight verse

[unreal nimbus]

you forgot groal

[edgy nebula]

ok fine, groal too

[regal crow]

Wtf is a wyrm? Doesn’t look like a voltwyrm

https://www.reddit.com/r/Silksong/s/YYxPa58z7S

[covert night]

that's "voltvyrm" with a v

[regal crow]

Question still stands, what’s a wyrm

[covert night]

species of pale king

[craggy smelt]

wyrms are mysterious and powerful creatures that are also very large
a Pale Wyrm transformed into the Pale King, the ruler of Hallownest and father of Hornet - its why she's called half-wyrm, half-weaver
there are some hints that wyrms enthralling bugs to create kingdoms has happened more than once, but we only know of the Pale Wyrm/King

[toxic mulch]

Hm,just found Seth in greymoor,I wonder what the lore implication of him losing his memory is

[craggy smelt]

seems like he was enchanted to serve as a guardian for Nyleth, and with her gone he's lost all memory of that duty
so he starts over fresh, thinking he's just been born into the world

[toxic mulch]

Interesting

I do wonder then was it nyleth that enchanted him or someone else

[craggy smelt]

probably nyleth, since her final defeat/demise is what triggers the change in him

actually, does he show up before or after nyleth's heart is taken?
either way... seems like in defeat he's released from his duty/memory

[slow locust]

what are you talking about now?

[toxic mulch]

Seth losing his memories after you kill nyleth

[limpid summit]

He shows up in greymoor after you take nyleth’s heart

[hidden crater]

Seth has dementia

[covert night]

this reminds me of quirrel, he also loses his memory outside of hallownest

[errant mica]

Zylotol and Zango were a thing

[ebon mason]

hi guys

was sands of karak and blasted steps once connected? did they both have coral?

[craggy smelt]

yeah, they seem to have been all one region
at least as far as the coral extends

[pine garden]

whats the lore implication of Summoned Savior in Steelsoul mode? I didn't bother playing it just saw that it exists online

[lapis creek]

it's more or less just a flying void mass

[lethal burrow]

either he was released from his oath and it had some magic memory stuff like a reverse quarrel situation or knocking him into the water, made him have amnesia

[pine garden]

okay so it just has a name that goes really hard and no lore gotchya

[lapis creek]

but sula is able to summon it by themself, and by doing so they are now tarnished and so the masters will hunt them across the world

[lethal burrow]

what makes you choose 'enchant' as the word in this context? Not disagreeing just genuinely curious.

[lapis creek]

implying that jiji may have been able to do the same, but never has because she hasn't been murdered

[grave girder]

Ok, I know this is probably a crack theory. But hear me out. The shade that we saw in the ending is the hollow knight. I know technically the knight is the shade lord but also we saw in the dream no more ending that the hollow knight was a shade so idk.

[lapis creek]

thats just what the horns look like for some reason

it's like that in a lot of the knight's animations in hk as well

[lethal burrow]

The Hollow Knight is a shade in dream no more you say...

do you remember what it looked like perhaps?

[lapis creek]

in addition to the ending i think

[grave girder]

Now that I think about it. Yeah no definitely a stupid theory. Maybe I'm just coping and want THK to be alive 😭😭

[lethal burrow]

if you want them to be alive, just choose embrace the void

[grave girder]

Oh, I actually never noticed that somehow ._.

[earnest monolith]

Are White lady and Greyroot relatives by any chance?

[lethal burrow]

There's a chance

[grave girder]

Oh, man I'm a little stupid ._. lmao

[slow olive]

This is what thk looks like in shade form

[craggy smelt]

just seems appropriate - the beacon remains even after the pale king is dead, like he laid an enchantment over the area

[slow olive]

Oh someone sent a pic already nvm

[grave girder]

I mean like, I want more THK content

[slow olive]

But that pic does show that the shade we see in sister of the void is definitely the knight

[lethal burrow]

same they are such a great character

[grave girder]

Ye

[grave girder]

FR. Honestly, I want a game where they go to another kingdom and save it to make up for "being a failure and failing to save Hallownest" I also want more pale king content

[slow olive]

With how the ending showed not just the knight but also the vessels just not with the hollow knight gives me hope that THK is chilling in hallownest

THK is too important of a character to not show up with the knight in that cutscene if even the vessels show up with it

[lethal burrow]

tbh That seems the most likely I don't think hornet would've killed them and I don't think much else would be capable of doing that even in the weekend state it finds itself in

like what in hallownest could kill the Hollow knight?

even crippled as it is.

[grave girder]

True. I've been recently imagining a dlc where we have to fight the steel assassins with the help of THK

[slow olive]

The dude was trained by all the knights of the pale king

[grave girder]

Other than the ghost? Nothing

Anyways I'm gonna go to sleep, I just wanted to ramble about my theory, lol. Have a good day/night y'all!

[lapis creek]

dung defender could probably pull it off

[slow olive]

Sleep well caulan!

Gonna stun thk with his stank

[lethal burrow]

mmm maybe

[lapis creek]

wouldnt put it past the mantises either

[covert night]

if embrace the void is canon, we will probably see it in the future. i don't think they put that last cutscene for no reason

[mossy root]

Oh this is absolutely what ive been thinking of the whole time

[grave girder]

So fire

[grave girder]

True, I hope so ngl

[mossy root]

The steel soul lore stuff in general seems to have pretty odd ties to containment? compression? whatever steel seer zi says about compression (and it's implied to be of something divine in nature)

[lethal burrow]

your sleeping so much rn

[mossy root]

Im just saying guys there's someone else known to be a big container of something divine /hj

[lethal burrow]

when did pharloom develop metel working?

[craggy smelt]

a trillion years ago

(no, we don't know, there's no timeline)

[lethal burrow]

The core came after the sentinels which came from the first architect....

hmmmmmmmm

[left dune]

Why do we know the voice actors for Hollow Knight characters except for a very few but for most of Silksongs characters except the main ones like sherma and shakra we dont know.

[lethal burrow]

idk this is the lore channel bud

[left dune]

Its kinda lore lol

[muted lantern]

they don't want to reveal chris pratt voiced 80% of npcs

[left dune]

True

[vague whale]

to quote yourself: "lol"

[left dune]

I'm famous now that I've been quoted.

[slow olive]

Related to that: im very curious which npc eric barone voiced (ConcernedApe, dev of Stardew Valley)

[hushed viper]

fun fact: the coral kingdom is run entirely by barbaric savages that kill and torture random pilgrims and eat their youngs

pharloom eventually due to their holy rightfulness put a stop to them

[covert night]

citadel propaganda

[hushed viper]

not propaganda it's true

[tacit kettle]

source: the silk which connects us all whispered it to me

[hushed viper]

i'm not lying!!!

[tacit kettle]

wherez ur proof….

[hushed viper]

the proof is that his army is annoying and his tower of gaunlets is also annoying and has alot of flying ranged enemies so it's stupid

[tacit kettle]

have you considered using a different crest

[hushed viper]

why would you need that much annoying features?

is it maybe because you're trying to hide the fact that, you kill pilgrims and eat their youngs?

[tacit kettle]

no

what happened to verdania? you stole the soul of one of their leaders then destroyed it anyways

[hushed viper]

verdania, whose that

[tacit kettle]

yo mama

[covert night]

account based in high halls btw

[fervent goblet]

Im curious

Are hornet and all

Bug sized

Like are they minuscule

[tacit kettle]

yes

this means whenever you squash an anthill, you KILL a mini hunter’s march

[fervent goblet]

Thats kinda funny i cant lie

[harsh onyx]

I’m on ||ACT 3|| Steel Soul. Actually hyped yet terrified

I wanna 100% it, I’ve done everything possible act 2

[fervent goblet]

I wish you the best

[harsh onyx]

All that’s left is ||Act 3||

[tacit kettle]

lowkey would be funny if you died to the first act 3 arena

[harsh onyx]

That’s why I’m terrified

[covert night]

i died to that 5 times

[harsh onyx]

I’m saving that for tomorrow, but literally the start of the act is a death trap

[fervent goblet]

Isnt act 3 like rlly combat focused

[tacit kettle]

that arena was harder than nyleth

[tacit kettle]

if you thought the 2 damage in acts 1 and 2 were bad, 90% of the enemies in act 3 are exclusively 2+ masks of damage

[harsh onyx]

I beat the 2nd beastfly steel soul, I can manage I think

[fervent goblet]

So i js gotta tell my self i dont have 6 mask i js got 3

[harsh onyx]

That’s why I went and did all the side content in act 2 first

There’s nothing I haven’t done

[lethal burrow]

It's OK all the memory stuff doesn't kill you

your safe

[fervent goblet]

Who knows maybe in their next game 3 mask dmg will be the norme

[lethal burrow]

[harsh onyx]

Nyleth was my main concern

That’s great to hear

[tacit kettle]

said noone ever

[lethal burrow]

It only counts if you would have left a cocoon

[harsh onyx]

The next game is Zoteboat and you take no damage as Zote is a god

[harsh onyx]

When Shakra killed me I thought it was over, I was tweaking

[tacit kettle]

a zote hollow knight game where he swallows his ego and actually becomes a legitimate warrior would be heat

[fervent goblet]

You become the boss

[toxic mulch]

Zotes life ender also one shots all bosses

[harsh onyx]

You kill hornet in the beginning

Cause he’s just better

[toxic mulch]

The final boss of the game is zotes dad and that's the only enemy that can deal damage to zote

[harsh onyx]

The final boss is the abyss and he one shots it entirely.

[fervent goblet]

As a quest yea but as a full game?😭

[harsh onyx]

What do you mean, he’s already killed him, OOHHHH LIKE A MEMORY BOSS

[toxic mulch]

I want zote to be in silksong dlc and to have hornet absolutely humble him

[fervent goblet]

Might happen

[harsh onyx]

I want zote in the DLC and he humbles hornet

We are two different people

[fervent goblet]

Silksong is not that far appart from hollowknight

[toxic mulch]

We don't know that

Could be centuries later

[tacit kettle]

we dont rly know that

[harsh onyx]

The dlc should just be the entirety of hollownest

But after everything

[tacit kettle]

it could be 15 minutes after hk or a millenium after hk

[fervent goblet]

A hornet's lifespan depends on its caste: queens can live for up to a year, surviving the winter, while worker hornets typically live for several weeks to a few months, and male drones live for around 40-50 days.

[toxic mulch]

Dlc should have a memory fight where it's the hornet fights from the original but we control her this time

[fervent goblet]

So we good thx google

[tacit kettle]

hornet isn’t actually a hornet

[fervent goblet]

😿

[tacit kettle]

shes a spider

[toxic mulch]

Erm she's a weaver not a spider 🤓

[harsh onyx]

That would be fire, but she literally gets wiped by the knight in both fights

[fervent goblet]

A spider's lifespan varies significantly by species, ranging from a few months to over 20 years.

Most common house spiders live for about one year,

[covert night]

waiter waiter more memory fights please

[fervent goblet]

Lets say 20y

[toxic mulch]

Waiter waiter DECENT CORAL AREA please

[tacit kettle]

“canon hornet” mfs when you show them the hornet fights in hk

[fervent goblet]

So zote is still out there

[slow locust]

weavers are refered by other bugs and even weavers as spidera as some sort of mock

[harsh onyx]

I think the dlc will be above far fields and it will be the steel city

[tacit kettle]

i mean u also have to consider that hornet is immortal

[toxic mulch]

Coral tower had a ton of closed doors so my cope is high that we'll return in a dlc for a full biome

[fervent goblet]

So is zote in our heart

[harsh onyx]

Or it will be next to the final flea camp

Cause that area feels important

[fervent goblet]

The dlc will just be called bilewater the sequel

[tacit kettle]

no the dlc’s will be entirely contained in that one unopenable door in skarrsinger’s room

[tacit kettle]

PLEASE TEAM CHERRY, GIVE US PHARLOOM BAY AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

[toxic mulch]

That'll definitely be the way to the snail village

[covert night]

ohh that exists too right

[fervent goblet]

I think that sinners road was lwk worse the whole area felt like ragebait

[harsh onyx]

Pisswater, and the water curses you like dark souls 1 where you permanently lose half your health until you find zote and he cures you

Also it’s full of primal aspids

[tacit kettle]

the boss of piss water is lost beastfly the great

[toxic mulch]

I wonder when the first dlc will drop

How long did it take for hks first dlc?

[fervent goblet]

Prolly in a few month

[tacit kettle]

5 years

[harsh onyx]

Beastfly and the hollow knight duo fight

[fervent goblet]

6 or 7 month

[toxic mulch]

My guess is we'll get a dlc for the holidays

[toxic mulch]

Ah

[tacit kettle]

say that again.

[toxic mulch]

Maybe just a few bosses to tide us over until full dlc in 2026 🙏

[fervent goblet]

It wld be fun if we could fight the knight as like a memory

Role got reversed

[harsh onyx]

It would be more fun to fight the hunter from the first game

[toxic mulch]

Yes

Hunter fight would go hard

[harsh onyx]

Cause hornet apparently fought him

[fervent goblet]

Or that yea

[harsh onyx]

Hornet did indeed fight him

It would make sense

[covert night]

there's cut vespa sprites btw

and it seems like boss moves

[harsh onyx]

Hornet fights a motorcycle

Loses

[fervent goblet]

Its funny how they cannoniclly small

[covert night]

#sk-lore message

[fervent goblet]

Like pharloom could be under your bed

[harsh onyx]

DLC idea
Hornet travels the surface and fights Spider-Man in New York

[fervent goblet]

Hollowknight silksong into the silkverse🥀

[harsh onyx]

If I saw half the bugs in hallowknight under my bed I’d start tweaking

[fervent goblet]

A spider w a red cloak

And a needle

[harsh onyx]

A big spider god that stabs me with small needles

[vocal compass]

I thought it was a vespa, like the vehicle.🎋

[fervent goblet]

Also why is half of pharloom creeps that want hornet badly

[harsh onyx]

The bugs start entering my dreams and fight me

[vocal compass]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-the-hedgehog-meme-sped-up-rubbing-hands-rubbing-hands-together-gif-10801846241654167909

[fervent goblet]

Pharloom economy is lwk as bad as ours

Esspecially in the citadel

[covert night]

she's a demigod princess and a warrior. i think she's canonically hot (also please don't jerk off to bugs)

[harsh onyx]

Imagine sleeping peacefully and then a small bug smacks you with a nail and enters your dreams and fights the prime version of you and you lose

That’s gotta suck

[fervent goblet]

Tbf if i was in pharloom i wld choose hornet over like a savage beastfly

[covert night]

🥀

[fervent goblet]

😿

[harsh onyx]

You wouldn’t choose grand mother silk

Missing out

[fervent goblet]

I hope they add like boss replay in a dlc

I dont wanna back up my save every time

[harsh onyx]

I think the fact that’s it’s not already in the game is a bummer

[vocal compass]

It will be dlc

Definitely

[fervent goblet]

Tbf the game alr came w so much that we cant even complain

[harsh onyx]

Means a dlc will be wasted on another godhome. Which I like but I want more areas and stuff to do

I’m GREEDY

[covert night]

we don't know how much content the dlcs will have

[fervent goblet]

Ng+ wld have been fun too w the ammount of tool that you get and how hard some of them are

[harsh onyx]

like if I saw a new dlc and got excited and then it’s just godhome, pantheon of beastfly I’m gonna be a little disappointed

Though I’d still be happy

[fervent goblet]

Be ready to fight savage beast fly but over maggot water and it can summon lace as back up

[harsh onyx]

Considering there’s so much cut content including areas, I reckon we have a lot of content

We definitely will get an act 4

I just know it

[fervent goblet]

Maybe not a act 4 but def a big ass quest

[covert night]

yeah i expect act 4 pharloom restoration dlc too

it's a wayy better idea than going into memories

[fervent goblet]

Both are fire tbf

[harsh onyx]

Radiant beastfly, but it’s 2 beastflys over lava and they now shoot maggot globs, and they summon the green flys from the purified ducts that shoot 3 acid drops at you, all while on one platform. Also you are playing flea juggle and if you drop one you die

[muted lantern]

Im fine with them leaving it unclear what happens after act 3

the original games dlc didn't give us post original ending content

[fervent goblet]

Its rlly easy to guess what happen after too tbf

[fervent goblet]

The reward is 60 rosary too

[harsh onyx]

Silksong didn’t leave too open ended. There isn’t that, oh maybe this ending is canon. We have one canon ending. I want there to be room to theorize after multiple act 4 endings

[muted lantern]

if you can't take damage than the maggot globs don't really do anything, instead consider the stunning fly globs.

[covert night]

this is a very different scenario i think. verdania starts to regrow after we kill green prince, i'm assuming same thing happens to coral gorge. and plasmium infection spreads

[harsh onyx]

The reward is 3 shell shards

[harsh onyx]

Oh instead of that put the guys who grab you that hang from the ceiling directly in the middle of the arena

[fervent goblet]

They prolly did it si that its easier to new player to follow the story

Also how fricking big is the citadel

I keep finding new area by just wandering off

[harsh onyx]

New players aren’t finding act 3 anyway. I think that’s a poor reason. It’s more likely they are setting up act 4 with that

[fervent goblet]

The only complain i have is how painful act 3 is to get

Its like not that hard

Its js long

Im all for it to it being hidden

[harsh onyx]

I got to act 3 in like 2 days of my steel soul run, it’s hard the first time but once you multitask it’s so quick

[fervent goblet]

Il still doing wishes

[harsh onyx]

Like the kill these guys and get this quests are mad easy, I do them as I go along.

And the big hunts are saved for last

[fervent goblet]

Btw is it normal that the fleacaravan didnt give me any wishes at greymore

Do i js bring more fleas

[harsh onyx]

They give you no more

You just find enough

[fervent goblet]

Also how can i know when i completed all the wishes😿😿😿

[harsh onyx]

For what

Act 3?

[fervent goblet]

Belhart and bone marrow

[fervent goblet]

Yea

[harsh onyx]

You dont, they just get new ones after you complete a certain amount. Act 3 is signified by the silk and soul wish you get. You dont need all wishes to get it

Important quests involving helping bugs are mainly what you need

The kill stuff and get this is just to progress and get more quests

[fervent goblet]

So i js do wishes until silk and soul appear + the other prerequiste

[harsh onyx]

Yes

[fervent goblet]

Okay

[harsh onyx]

I didn’t even need the 2nd nail upgrade

Or the beastfly

I just helped sherma, the merchants. Did the side quests I could

Eventually it pops up

[fervent goblet]

Tbf nails upgrade are barely noticable until like 3 upgrade

[harsh onyx]

But I wouldn’t worry about that anyway. Because I’d recommend doing everything possible act 2

Then going to act 3

Cause it makes it easier and you miss out on certain events

[fervent goblet]

Yea thats what i was planning to do

Its js overwelming😭

[harsh onyx]

Did you get cursed

[fervent goblet]

Esspecially the citadel

[fervent goblet]

Not yet

[harsh onyx]

Good luck with that

You get a special ending for beating mama silk with it

I did it in steel soul and it had me sweating during the fight

[fervent goblet]

Beating mama silk w out any silk or tool

😿

[harsh onyx]

You can’t heal

You have no tools

You have the worst crest in the game

It’s miserable

[fervent goblet]

The witch crest makes it worth it tho icl

[harsh onyx]

And the get un-cursed you gotta find the secret healer and then go to Sinners road

Whoever designed it is evil

[harsh onyx]

Witch crest sucks

Your heal is trash, the attack is wanders crest but worse

[fervent goblet]

Js to know is there any required fight once yr cursed or u can js run yr way in to get uncursed

[hidden crater]

Getting 99% of crests is easy but witch crest is a whole quest

[tacit kettle]

?!

the first upgrade literally doubles your damage

[harsh onyx]

You gotta fight a beastfly

[fervent goblet]

A savage one or js a beastfly....

[harsh onyx]

I’m joking

[tacit kettle]

voided

[fervent goblet]

Savage beast fly is actually like

My arch nemesis

[harsh onyx]

It doesn’t, I know that’s not even close to true

[fervent goblet]

I hate him

Esspecially the one in lava

Its js bs

[harsh onyx]

The first upgrade. Some enemies take the same amount of strikes to kill

It gives like .5 more damage

[fervent goblet]

I saw a vid

[tacit kettle]

your needle does 5 damage at first

each needle upgrade adds +5 damage

[fervent goblet]

It upgrade it by like 3 dmg

[tacit kettle]

oh wait nvm, it’s 4 not 5

[harsh onyx]

It then goes to 5.5, then the other upgrades buff it immensely

[tacit kettle]

so its close to double

[harsh onyx]

Then why do some enemies take the same amount of swings to kill

I know I’m not tweaking

[gloomy heart]

enemies have damage modifiers so some take less damage than others

[tacit kettle]

because their health isnt a multiple of 5 or 9

so like an enemy with 10 health would still take 2 swings with 5 damage and 9 damage

[harsh onyx]

You are right, but still it’s almost unnoticeable

[tacit kettle]

maybe not for enemies, but def for bosses

imagine trying to beat skarrsinger karmelita’s 1250 health with a level 0 needle

[harsh onyx]

Then try with a lv 2 and feel the lack of difference

[covert night]

it depends on which enemy you are fighting

[tacit kettle]

250 hits vs 96 hits?

that’s a pretty big difference

[covert night]

lvl 0 to 1 almost doubles the damage. i think even this is a pretty big difference

[harsh onyx]

Ok your right

But i worry more about the average enemy than bosses when it comes to nail damage

That’s when I notice it

If you use tools and stuff it makes the damage your dealing not matter as much. Cause you can wreak havoc

Like strolling through the citadel you have to engage with enemies

[visual glacier]

How is this lore

[harsh onyx]

This is the lore of the needle smith being useless

[brisk thunder]

with oil and without oil，both give same upgrade

[visual glacier]

Yes

But he can’t upgrade it more without the oil

Nothing will change if he sharpens it again

[harsh onyx]

Needle man can’t compare to giga chad nail smith

[visual glacier]

ITS THE SAME THING

But Naismith needs more materials

[harsh onyx]

Cause he does better work

[visual glacier]

It’s the same damage upgrade

[harsh onyx]

Did Zote tell you that

[lethal burrow]

I didn't make this, but look

[visual glacier]

Shellwood nail does 500 daamage

[covert night]

lookalikeslop

[visual glacier]

Nope

[harsh onyx]

Zote boat Propaganda

[covert night]

none of those look similar except maybe for hardbone hoppers

[visual glacier]

Karaka might be based on that ghost

But not the same species

[lethal burrow]

since when are you in lore channel

[covert night]

20 seconds

[harsh onyx]

This is a load of barnacles

[visual glacier]

Incredible gassy trobbio

[gloomy heart]

I dont really see any of these except the karaka fighter tbh

[random aspen]

true

doesnt elder hu make more sense with shakras tribe

and grimm troupe is entirely different from the wisp thicket dudes

they dont worship fire they worship big ass patchwork heart

sands of karak thing is definitely intentional though the similarities are too close

so cool i didnt even know that ghost existed 😭

[hidden crater]

Watcher knights are empty shells tho right

[dusky bay]

Wait how does the abyss slugs have silk
But the literal black silk with enemies trapped in them gives 0 silk

[lethal burrow]

The first shrine. What is it a shrine to?

[stuck loom]

This is "zote is a vessel" all over again 😭. It's just similar character designs, artists tend to repeat motifs they're familiar with

only the Elder Hu / Shakra and the spirits glade Karaka are fr

Khann and colosseum of fools are VERY similar tbf, i also drew the connection

[languid wraith]

Ok crusty khann and the fool king do look similar

[hidden crater]

Nurse they're going insane again

[gentle aspen]

Yeah they look real similar aside from the different number of horns, eyes, limbs and different body type

[stuck loom]

Cmon, badass dead bug corpse in throne with two pronged heads

[gentle aspen]

well yes if you boil it down to only that then they look similae

[brisk plaza]

OH MY GOD THIS IS WORSE

[brisk plaza]

noone has said anything abt bro being related to black wyrm so im happy

[whole holly]

guys, i have question

you know about Old Hearts and how Moss Druid says they are beating and questions why Moss Area doesn't have equivalent

and she hears faint beating from Mossberries? i guess

but could there have been moss related plant being that shaped Moss Grotto and Moss Home?

[slow olive]

I had a thought and looked up if snails and moss have any relation, turns out snails really like moss in their habitat

So im guessing moss is there coz of the snail chapel?

[fossil tendon]

hi

[whole holly]

why isn't there Moss Tribe

[whole holly]

not really, Snail Shamans are also in Bellheart and Citadel

[slow olive]

I mean the chapel itself is only in mosshome

Since its the only snail chapel in pharloom it implies that that area used to be the center of their religion

Caretaker and the bell hermit seem to be in their respective places hiding the fact that they are snail shamans

Im just speculating tho, mosshome does seem to be in its own bubble as a location

[covert night]

i love lookalikeslop

[whole holly]

there is also Chapel of Wanderer so

[slow olive]

True but i cant tell what kind of bug is in that chapel

[whole holly]

moss druid, snail shamans are different kinds of people

[slow olive]

Where in game did it say the bug in the wanderer chapel was a moss druid

[whole holly]

i never said that either, my point is Snail Shamans aren't related to Moss Druid and neither is Wanderer Bug, they aren't related to moss in any way just because they are in Moss Grotto, but Moss Druid has relation to Moss, she collects mossberries

[slow olive]

It was a genuine question i thought i missed smth mb

[ebon silo]

Headcanon

Considering the weavers have a nest below the abyss do you guys think they took a fourth chorus to dig their site?

[native vine]

they probably used servitor borans, since choruses are built by the citadel architects

[ebon silo]

Those are way too small and sure walking railguns but I feel like a fourth chorus could dig you a big hole in like a few minutes

But then again yes citadel architects and all

[native vine]

they’re confirmed to carve halls and chambers and they’re about hornet’s height if not a little bigger

[fierce narwhal]

i dont think they give off silk tho? they give off soul from what i remember

[native vine]

they look a lot like their makers now that i think about it, the folding up and rolling away is a lot like the weaver in hallownest skittering off

[dusky bay]

If you attack them they give silk for some random reason even tho they are suppose to be void creatures

[ebon silo]

Gameplay reasons probably

[ebon silo]

Ah okay

[dusky bay]

Void masses give non
How gameplay 😭
At that point you can generate 2 silks or even 3 if you defeated the unravelled by just existing
It feels weird
Either somehow the void silk turned them even tho I don't see how would that work too since again
They are already void
And void masses drop no silk

[fierce narwhal]

yeah no they just don't give off silk at all idk what to tell you

[native vine]

i dont think shadow creepers are void creatures they just live in proximity to the void

[stuck loom]

Imagine if lost lace didn't give you silk 😭

[fierce narwhal]

creepers and the gloom enemies give off white circle particle effects identical to the surface bugs

[cobalt coyote]

Only when staggered gives silk then

[mystic lance]

would the knight have rescued hornet had gms successfully dragged her in

[terse warren]

That's because they're corpses

Hornet strikes enemies to gain Soul and then turns said Soul into Silk inside her own Shell

Corpses don't have Soul

[dusky bay]

the void silk around them

[terse warren]

If the Knight was even there in the first place which it likely wasn't

[terse warren]

Look up by one message

[mystic lance]

the knight was in the abyss not the cradle, the snare is a teleporting portal

[fierce narwhal]

i still don't get what you're saying sorry

[mystic lance]

the reason why the knight didnt rescue hornet during lost lace fight was because of the everbloom i assume, once the everbloom broke the knight instantly showed up

[dusky bay]

?
Aren't all enemies in the game with silk and you take the silk from them?
Take the bugs in the surface for an example
They are free of silk
You hit them and gain no silk
Even tho they have a soul

[dusky bay]

The void masses are void silk with corpses

[terse warren]

I mean it wasn't in Pharloom's abyss. Before you get the Everbloom, Void Tendrils can hit you, TK doesn't stop them

[fierce narwhal]

but you do gain silk from them

[stoic moth]

they are living creatures
the dead bugs wrapped up in void aren't alive... and void isn't silk

[mystic lance]

because the knight i assume is deep in the abyss, the void tendrils are near the surface

[dusky bay]

You don't
The bugs in the surface don't give silk at all

It's free of silk

[heavy gyro]

They do give silk

[dusky bay]

how it says free of silk 😭

[terse warren]

I'm p sure they do

Anyways, Gurr is also free of Silk but gives Silk

If you read Materium entry of Silk and the inventory for the Silk Hearts it tells you Hornet makes her Silk by taking Soul from enemies

[stoic moth]

you smack them, get soul, convert into silk

[terse warren]

Exactly

[dusky bay]

Huh...tbh I thought she wacks enemies with silk infection on them and takes it to makes more silk...

[terse warren]

No

[dusky bay]

Since all enemies in hollow knight are with silk but the surface bugs

But ok 😭

[terse warren]

The surface bugs do give Silk tho

[fierce narwhal]

i just checked yes they do

[dusky bay]

When I meant with silk as in infected with silk
All enemies are infected with silk but those and I think the crows too
But understandable since you do fight shakra and pintress and get silk
Mb

[dusky bay]

Yea yea my dear apologize

[fierce narwhal]

no worries!

[brisk thunder]

Father of the flame has no soul/silk, not sure about the void boss in steelsoul mode

[terse warren]

No silk from it

FotF doesn't give Silk because you're hitting metal (that's not animated by silkflies)

The Wisp cages don't give Soul either

Not sure about the flame guys that spawn the Wisps and I can't check because they disappear after you kill FotF and reset

[brisk thunder]

My thought is that they actually do have soul, but they burn, similar to hornet silk burns when you summon a wisp

[fierce narwhal]

pretty sure they do

[terse warren]

Welp then

!wiki Wisp

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Wisp

Hollow Knight Wiki

Wisp

Loading page description…

[terse warren]

Burning Bug is what they're called ok

[stuck loom]

they should've made it so they didn't tbh

[heavy gyro]

no because that would imply they don't have soul

[terse warren]

Did you miss the entire previous conversation

[stuck loom]

Yes

[drifting apex]

whats the context/meaning behind this? and why are their dead bugs in those breakable cocoon like structures?

[fierce narwhal]

stilkin and groal really REALLY dont like outsiders

since it's because of the citadel all the once pure water became polluted

[terse warren]

The Citadel took everything from them, now it's their turn to take everything form the Citadel

[edgy barn]

The stilkin extract Soul from the bugs so that their leader Groal might use that power against the citadel which ruined their land.

[slow olive]

Good evening lore bros

[azure verge]

Does the five bells thing imply that GMS intended for Hornet to kill Widow?

[sinful nimbus]

No

Hornet reaching the Citadel isn't what she wants

#1 goal is to kill her before she messes stuff up

[terse warren]

I mean technically technically technically

First Silk Heart is GMS telling Hornet to bind things to get their power to then fuse with her iirc

!wiki Silk Heart

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Silk_Heart

Hollow Knight Wiki

Silk Heart

Silk Hearts are Items in Hollow Knight: Silksong that grant Hornet automatic Silk regeneration.

​

Inventory

Effects

Grants and increases cap of Silk regeneration

Type

Upgrade

​

Prompt

Effects

Grants and increases cap of Silk regeneration

Type

Upgrade

[slow olive]

Oh yah i read thru those silk heart dialogues wondering who's saying them

gms saying those things does seem pretty ominous

[terse warren]

Ok wrong Silk Heart

"...Their voices... Their song...
...Their memory...
...Bind their shells...
...Bind their souls...
...Bind them all...
...Raise them... Up...
...To devote... Eternal...
...One mind... One union...

...They are ours... Bound forever..."

[slow olive]

So was gms counting on lace to free hornet?

Wait, it is gms speaking in all those silk heart dialogues right?

[terse warren]

No

GMS wanted Hornet directly

But since she's free now, might as well get her to gain more power before absorbing her

[fierce narwhal]

i think this is the whiteward operators thoughts when silking their patients

[terse warren]

Yes

[slow olive]

Ohh gotcha this makes sense

[fierce narwhal]

but it could also be gms

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think that's addressed to Hornet

[terse warren]

Half the lines don't really make sense if it's the surgeons

[terse warren]

The first one definitely is I don't see why this one wouldn't be

Is it just GMS talking to herself?

[slow olive]

Who would it be addressed to if not hornet tho

[sinful nimbus]

It is the conductors describing their silk experiments

[terse warren]

"They are ours" how does that make sense

[slow olive]

Ok so if the second silk heart is the conductors speaking, who's speaking in the dialogue of the silk heart gotten from bell beast

[fierce narwhal]

were the conductors even the ones doing the operations? i thought the conductor mentioned in the cilindar was subject to those operations

[terse warren]

It's GMS in all 3

[edgy barn]

If this is GMS, it makes much more sense for this to be her talking about the Haunting, rather than telling Hornet to do something.

[terse warren]

She says "Witness our waking" in the first one

[sinful nimbus]

Y'know the minds in the unravelled

[terse warren]

That's also fair, she could be talking to herself like in the 3rd one

[slow olive]

Mhm this is my opinion too, im engaging with uni's theory of the second silk heart being dialogue of the whiteward surgeons

[fierce narwhal]

that would make sense actually since it would be in her best interest for all her bugs to be easily controllable

[terse warren]

This doesn't really make sense

I don't see how the surgeons making the unraveled would make the mind theirs

And again, it's GMS in the other two, why would it randomly be the Surgeons in this one for no reason

[edgy barn]

The Unraveled also does not seem like something that was purposefully created.

[terse warren]

Yeah

[sinful nimbus]

You get this one from the unraveled and it mentions eternal devotion and song

[terse warren]

You're ignoring all my other points though

You get the first one from Bell Beast but it's not Bell Beast speaking 🥴

[slow olive]

Yah thats why i was asking about it earlier

[terse warren]

Ig it's because Bell Beast was ensnared in a lot of Silk

[fierce narwhal]

and also in the silk heart memory levels it uses the same sound effects as the cocoon in which gms is sleeping in with the whole heartbeat and all

[slow olive]

It would be funny if its actually bell beast saying those things tho lol

Ooohh nice observation

The other dream(?) levels have black backgrounds right?

[edgy barn]

What even are Silk Hearts in universe? I first thought they were the literal hearts/cores of silk beings because you get one from killing the Unravelled and another from "killing" Lace. But then Lace turns out to be alive in Snared Silk.

[slow olive]

I forgot when we get those parkour segments

[fierce narwhal]

yeah just without the heartbeat thingy

[sinful nimbus]

I see I see

Either way though I don't think that's addressed to Hornet it'd rather be GMS describing what she is doing to the weavers

[fierce narwhal]

they're very similar to the dream arenas from hk where you can hear the whispers of the weavers and silk at the borders of the levels

[slow olive]

Silk hearts allow hornet to "regain" her skill of generating silk in her shell right?

[terse warren]

Yeah probably

[sinful nimbus]

Obviously GMS doesn't really want to absorb Hornet anymore since throughout the entire game she attempts to kill you before you reach the cradle

[edgy barn]

Considering you get it from the unravelled, I think is most likely to be describing what the haunting is, because of the whole connection with the whiteward experiments.

[terse warren]

Was writing a whole essay before that "anymore"

[sinful nimbus]

Possibly but the usage of the word Bind is peculiar

[slow olive]

So gms doesnt need hornet to be alive to get her powers?

[terse warren]

I think it might be both due to the like "...Raise them up..."

[slow olive]

Despite going to great lengths to capture her alive

[terse warren]

She does

[silver spire]

i mean hornet's able to bind to dead bodies for some reason so idk

[terse warren]

We can bind Weavers from the mummies because they are, well, mummies

I don't think they're fully 100% dead

[slow olive]

Yea they whisper to hornet even

[terse warren]

Not too dissimilar to how all the Old Hearts are still alive

[edgy barn]

What about the crests? Those seem to be actual corpses.

[slow olive]

Are the crests all weavers?

[modest coyote]

Basically a silk kidney stone

[terse warren]

Shit

[fierce narwhal]

they do have needolin dialogue for all that's worth

[modest coyote]

I’m not joking btw

[edgy barn]

None of them are

[terse warren]

Empty places have Needolin dialogue it doesn't mean much

[edgy barn]

So does dead Loam.

[fierce narwhal]

yeah that's why i said for all that's worth

[slow olive]

Mhm i think its a special skill of hornet that she can bind powers of other bugs

Eva says something about that right

[terse warren]

Tbh whenever it's corpses or empty places, a Silk shadow figure appears

Doesn't happen in the Chapels, I assume

Maybe those are also mummies?

Since they held enough power to become a Crest, something not even Eva could do, it's not impossible they had a tiny bit of aliveness in them

But I'm just spitballing now

[edgy barn]

It also doesn't happen in Gurr's trophy room.

[terse warren]

True

Uh it also has silk strings coming from the ceiling ig??

Inconsistent writing it is then, GMS could've just killed Hornet while she was in a cage

[edgy barn]

...why doesn't Hornet get taken straight to GMS if captured by the wardenflies?

[slow olive]

Could be she didnt want to deal with an escaped hornet so she'd rather kill her after lace got her out

[terse warren]

Wym Wardenflies

Oh those

[slow olive]

The slab guys

[fierce narwhal]

maybe wardenflies are just dummies and think she's any old prisoner

[slow olive]

Yep i was leaning to that too

[terse warren]

The Slab is definitely a section of the game of all time

[slow olive]

They dont seem to directly get orders from gms like the choristors do

[terse warren]

Especially the journal entries those are absolutely some writing ever

[slow olive]

I mean they themselves are prisoners of the slab

[edgy barn]

They are however still haunted.

[slow olive]

The haunted pilgrims in mosshome tried killing hornet tho

So i wouldnt expect the wardenflies to do something other than their set function (to bring sinner bugs to the slab)

[terse warren]

Yeah the point is that Wardenflies could easily kill Hornet and didn't

[slow olive]

They seem to just bring whatever bugs they encounter to the slab

[terse warren]

Not really?

We don't see them capture anything else

[slow olive]

When they spawn in the greymoor area the usual two bugs there werent there anymore

[terse warren]

That's just for gameplay purposes

[slow olive]

So i assumed those bugs got captured by the wardenfly that spawned there

I mean why despawn those bugs even with the wardenfly being there

[terse warren]

Because the Wardenfly is already enough of a threat

[edgy barn]

The thread racker is way too big.

[fossil tendon]

hi

[terse warren]

Same reason the 2 Skarrs are removed in the other room

[slow olive]

I mean.... its not like theres any shortage of enemy gauntlets in the game

[terse warren]

There's also a location where a Wardenfly is dead in Bilewater I heard, only between Act 2 and Escape sequence tho

[terse warren]

Yeah and that's not a gauntlet

[edgy barn]

And there's one dead Wardenfly in Putrified Ducts that you get the apostate key from.

[slow olive]

My point is i dont see why theyd think to lessen enemies because of the presence of one type of enemy when they do gauntlets with multiple enemies spawning in

[terse warren]

Yes but that one is a permanent thing unlike the Bilewater one for some reason

[terse warren]

Because the enemy itself can oneshot you

Also because getting hit frees you from the guck

And they need you to stay stuck in the guck so that you can get oneshot

[slow olive]

I mean i guess it could be just a gameplay reason but i dunno

[vestal swan]

Skars removed from what

[slow olive]

The room where a wardenfly spawns in

[vestal swan]

[terse warren]

There are two rooms in which Wardenflies can capture you and bring you to the Slab for the naked escape sequence

One of the is in Greymoor, left of Bellway

The other is in the room at the top of Deep Docks right next to the bottom entrances to Hunter's March

[slow olive]

Im kinda sad i didnt get to do the escape sequence

I killed the one in deep docks and skipped the one in greymoor

[simple hedge]

Same. I never saw the warden flies ig, I just found the apostate key and entered myself

[sinful nimbus]

That entire section of the game disturbed me, in a good way. Team Cherry's commitment to effective social commentary is admirable

Foul creatures birthed into servitude. A sympathetic plight, and a testament to the Citadel's cruel nature.

The smell from these jailers overwhelms my senses, this prison appears to be lacking even the most basic necessities.

[slow olive]

I even learned from a yt short that the cloak even gets additional info that it stinks of fly

And u have to dunk in water a few times to get that info removed from the cloak description

[fossil tendon]

my lesson got cancelled so I'm gonna dedicate more time to this cursed graph

[slow olive]

Its details like that which make me think that when something happens in the game (i.e. the wardenfly making the other bugs despawn) isnt just simply a gameplay thing

[terse warren]

Once again you should replace the whole of Team Cherry

[vestal swan]

Do NOT let Star in the kitchen

[terse warren]

Especially the music guy, who I'm sure didn't even playtest Lost Kin

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[vestal swan]

I mean it could be both they could be scared of him

[terse warren]

Those entries are like actually good though

[vestal swan]

Slab definitely needs a rewrite, I still don't want star in the kitchen

[terse warren]

Act 3 also needs a rewrite

[vestal swan]

Eh

[terse warren]

They should let ME in the kitchen I'd write fire

[terse warren]

The Void is kinda out of nowhere

[vestal swan]

The void by itself is fine, TK showing up out of nowhere is the out of place bit

[sinful nimbus]

I'd cook a 5 star meal (Last Judge is the default final boss)

The void isn't fine

[whole holly]

i would cook i promise just like Moss Druid is cooking something really special

[slow olive]

The trailer having the release date be in void particles should have been a warning

[sinful nimbus]

Moss Druid turns into an old heart 🗣️

[vestal swan]

Also I was slightly disappointed nothing happened to the weird little butler and the fat guy in the restaurant (I can't remember their names), but like half of our NPCs get crushed by rocks

[whole holly]

Act 4 is gonna go hard

[sinful nimbus]

I was in denial

I had too much faith in TC

[vestal swan]

I also didn't expect the void to show up based on the void particles, I thought that was DLC bait because it was at the very end

[slow olive]

I mean..... i liked the void showing up AND the knight saving hornet and lace

[sinful nimbus]

Story isn't even the issue with act 3 anyway

[terse warren]

Trailers are not where all the foreshadowing should come from

[sacred heath]

I coulda sworn those guys got obliterated by boulders
maybe it’s just if you finish the quest?

[sinful nimbus]

The only thing the story actually needs is to remove silk and soul and come up with something more intuitive

[terse warren]

No you're just tripping

[whole holly]

lol, i was thinking Trobbio, he wants to bring revival so it fits him too well, but moss druid is great, (no connection exist on trobbio and druid this is just headcanon)

[vestal swan]

I finished the quest before act 3 and after seeing that some of my NPCs were dead I went to go check on them and they were very unfortunately alive

[slow olive]

Tbh I just noticed after i finished the game and rewatched the trailer

[sinful nimbus]

Crushed by rocks is preferable to what happened to Garmond

Death by becoming a tumblr OC 💔

[vestal swan]

Is that the outcome of his quest no matter what

[slow olive]

Garmond got Needled by hornet

[vestal swan]

Because I fucked up his quest and I thought that was the reason

He was basically running around by himself the whole time

[sinful nimbus]

What quest

I don't know what his quest is because this game doesn't signpost anything

[vestal swan]

You know like hunting with him and sparing with him

[terse warren]

Yeah he dies no matter what

This shit is Deltarune, your choices don't matter

[vestal swan]

The one time I killed moorwing I forgot to re recruit him for the fight so I fucked up his quest from the beginning

[terse warren]

You can still spar even if you entirely skip Greymoor

[slow olive]

Does he not show up in choral chambers if u dont recruit him?

[fossil tendon]

Anything wrong?

[vestal swan]

I've never ran into him again until like after I found the green prince, and I was rechecking areas so I don't know how I missed him

[slow olive]

I missed the garmond and zaza sparring match

[fossil tendon]

hi Lumpy

[vestal swan]

By after the green prince I mean after I had freed him and he was at cogwork

[slow olive]

Hey jigme

[fossil tendon]

Are Lace and Phantom GMS' children or creations?

[vestal swan]

Creations that are treated like children

[sacred heath]

Creations

[slow olive]

Gms calls them her daughters but she made them out of silk

[terse warren]

I honestly doubt GMS can biologically have kids atp

[vestal swan]

Why is TK separate from other vessels and only lists PK as a parent?

[fossil tendon]

Because The Knight is The Knight

[vestal swan]

Maybe she's just an asshole and didn't find anybody to be at her level, or she never tried higher being dating sites, despite being on the web

[fossil tendon]

They're different from the Vessels cuz you play as TK

[vestal swan]

They have the same parentage as all vessels

[terse warren]

Blocked

[slow olive]

Is it a proper lore question to ask if GMS and Pale King wouldve gone on a date with each other

[sinful nimbus]

He's taken and he also has good taste so no

[fossil tendon]

Yes but there's a difference between The Vessels and TK

[slow olive]

True true

[terse warren]

Anyways still no evidence for GMS being an asshole ever so no reason to slander

[sacred heath]

not really
they have the same origin as any other

[vestal swan]

That difference does not start at the parents

[sinful nimbus]

🥀

[slow olive]

Dude got white lady AND herrah

[fossil tendon]

I see your point, I shall change it

[terse warren]

Silk is peak woman I have no clue what you're talking about

[sinful nimbus]

All of act 3 is about slandering her for something reallllllly heinous (No we don't know what she actually did)

[vestal swan]

I'm taking the fact that she kept repeatedly making new children to be more and more obedient as her being a psychopath

[sinful nimbus]

That too

[fossil tendon]

Smile

[terse warren]

Except it wasn't even her but the Citadel

[sinful nimbus]

It was both

[slow olive]

Would it be psychopathic or just a pale being trait to want subjects

In her case daughters

[terse warren]

She made kids, she got betrayed, she made kids that were actually not gonna betray her

Seems reasonable

[vestal swan]

Wanting subjects and creating obedient children are too totally different things. PK got a kingdom just by advertising a brain boosting wave

[sinful nimbus]

Kids ain't tools 🥀

[vestal swan]

If your response to your kids telling you you're an asshole is to make a kid that can't call you an asshole you are not the good guy

[sinful nimbus]

Lace also hates her mother

GMS sucks weakest hb hop on the PK glaze train

[slow olive]

gms is basically an extreme overbearing mother type

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet has horns to symbolize her devillike nature

[terse warren]

The kids started putting her into a possibly indefinite sleep, that's a bit more than telling her she's an asshole

[sinful nimbus]

They put her in an indefinite sleep because she was evil

[terse warren]

"Your Knight..." Iunno dawg I think she just had conflicting feelings

[slow olive]

I mean gms told them they were divine beings when they weren't right?

[sinful nimbus]

Vro ain't eve nconsistent 🥀

[terse warren]

You don't get defined as "wanting to relish in your false rule" if you're dethroning a tyrant

[light plume]

Nah its because she has 30 nails and chose one needle and also has 30 kids shoved up her stomach

[sinful nimbus]

Well they're both evil

[vestal swan]

I don't think the lie about being Divine or being her literal children is that heinous, maybe if she was literally controlling them and their minds or something but that's not really suggested

[sinful nimbus]

GMS is evil so are the weavers who established the Citadel

Cindril weavers weren't evil and they still wanted to get away from her

We know GMS did some heinous things to her neighbors and weavers were basically her servants

[terse warren]

Just wait till DLC

The GMD propaganda cannot be stoped

[sinful nimbus]

DLC where GMS finally gets a character 🥀

[terse warren]

TRUE

[slow olive]

Something that confuses me still is this: was the lowly bugs worshipping the weavers as divine beings because of their silk healing powers a time after gms slept or before the weavers found out the lie

[sinful nimbus]

Maybe she'll be strong in the DLC too

[terse warren]

GMS better be the final boss of the final Pantheon

I will commit atrocities if we get a FOURTH Lace fight

[sinful nimbus]

Weavers knew it was a lie its Citadel propaganda

[vestal swan]

Gms is like Pantheon 3 material

[terse warren]

Mhhh

Fourth

Gasp Fourth Chorus refight

[terse warren]

I'm assuming she'll get an upgrade

Like THK and Rad did

[sinful nimbus]

A souped up GMS is obviously going to be at the end of Pantheon of Pharloom

But the thing with GMS is you can't safely kill her without Void,
So what I'm thinking is that the Pantheon of Pharloom will have you summon the void, and then the thing that souped up GMS is going to soup up the Void and we are going to fight Shade Lord, and its a Pantheon so no one really cares anyway

After Act 3 its not even implausible

[terse warren]

Maybe Powdered was right

Maybe you shouldn't be let in the kitchen

[sinful nimbus]

I'm not saying its good writing I'm saying its likely writing

[terse warren]

Yeah that's true

[sacred heath]

likely to who

[sinful nimbus]

Me

[slow olive]

Wait so them pretending to be divine was after they found out the lie?

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah for the purposes of ruling the Citadel

Who do you think threw First Sinner in jail after she went around telling people it was all a lie

[terse warren]

I fully expect TC to have us fight Lord of Shades or Shade Lord despite how Hornet should lose instantly

[vestal swan]

I hope we don't that would be really stupid

There's absolutely no reason to fight them

[sinful nimbus]

There's absolutely no reason for them to show up in the true ending but here we are

[vestal swan]

Unless TK becomes an NPC and we spar with them outside the steel City before we go in on a raid

[sinful nimbus]

They ain't above putting stuff in the game for hype moments and aura

[sacred heath]

all my money

[terse warren]

Yeah, all my money back

Full refund

[slow olive]

It kinda made sense the knight would be in the abyss tho right? I mean thats where it lives now

[sacred heath]

In DNM, yes

[terse warren]

In EtV too

[terse warren]

Why would it only appear after 5 gajillion years

[vestal swan]

Steel City final boss, there's the void traps everywhere, talking with TK outside the door
Tk: ... ... ...
Hornet: of course I wouldn't ask youto join me knowing that you might not be able to leave, I'll tackle the task alone and save us both from this iron grip 😤

[slow olive]

I mean the knight didnt even show up immediately

[proper imp]

Hornet was in the abyss

[terse warren]

I don't think you're chef material either

[terse warren]

She was before too and it didn't stop the Void Tendrils from hitting her

[sinful nimbus]

Not in Pharloom's abyss

[vestal swan]

I did exactly what TC would do I mirrored hollow Knight dialogue and made hornet sound edgy

[sinful nimbus]

Why didn't bro help before

[slow olive]

Hornet wasnt in the depths of the void sea till she rescued lace

[sinful nimbus]

Did my guy just not notice GMS

[terse warren]

This implies TC's writing is good

[proper imp]

I mean, how would the knight know that hornet was there

[slow olive]

Uhh coz the knight isnt related to GMS its related to hornet

[terse warren]

Too insignificant to matter

[sacred heath]

thought they were talking about THK 😵‍💫

[terse warren]

This is the only GMS slander you're ever getting from me

[sinful nimbus]

Okay but it has the power to help and it doesn't

It wasn't there before it only shows up in the ending

For no narrative reason its just fanservice

[slow olive]

Again its abyss underneath pharloom who knows how far it had to travel to reach that part of the void sea

[sacred heath]

that is not a reasonable assumption

[sinful nimbus]

So why did it need to show up

Silksong isn't a story about The Knight

[vestal swan]

Anyway at the end of the fight Zi, persuaded by your actions disables the traps and TK comes in and it's a two on one against the liquid metal terminator god

[slow olive]

I dont doubt that its fan service, but imo its pretty done right

[terse warren]

If liquid metal is in the game I might actually sue team cherry

[sinful nimbus]

Why is half the ending dedicated to fanservice 🥴

[vestal swan]

[terse warren]

I don't want weird liquid number 5 man

[slow olive]

Imo the sister of the void ending doesnt detract it from being about hornet

[sinful nimbus]

It detracts focus from the actual narrative

[terse warren]

Liquid Steel would just be Grey Void

[sinful nimbus]

When I think Sister of the Void I don't think about the time Hornet saved Lace I think about the time they put in random fanservice

[terse warren]

Half of the title of the ending is about TK and not Hornet

[sinful nimbus]

It doesn't help that the real narrative is forgettable too

[slow olive]

I guess we just have to disagree on this lmao i thought it was a neat way to tie in the previous game with this one

[sinful nimbus]

Maybe that's why they put in such fanservice

[slow olive]

Do u mean forgettable

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[terse warren]

"Can Hornet save Lace and Pharloom?"

The answer is no, she can't, she needs to be saved by her sibling

[vestal swan]

I mean I don't see this as terrible partly because I don't see act 3 as the ending, I expect the game to continue forward after that

[sinful nimbus]

So they released an unfinished game

[vestal swan]

🤏 this close

[sinful nimbus]

Meet potential silksong

[terse warren]

TEAM CHERRY

ACT 4

AND MY LIFE

IS YOURS

[sinful nimbus]

Guys the good parts of the narrative will come in Act 4 guys trust me

[terse warren]

Just like GMS for real

[sacred heath]

well I mean technically she did
lace is saved, GMS is dead, the haunting is gone

[sinful nimbus]

This ain't monster hunter vro

[terse warren]

If Lace stayed down in the Void she would not be saved

[sinful nimbus]

The real narrative ain't coming in DLC

[terse warren]

You wish it was

[sinful nimbus]

Yes but alas

[sacred heath]

okay youre right lace isn’t saved that’s my b
the important part is Pharloom is safe, the haunting’s gone. that’s the big one

[cobalt coyote]

Not really safe

There is still alot of damage to it

[terse warren]

"This one... The dark shall not take"

[sinful nimbus]

TUFF

(Lace gets zero screentime and there is no reason to care about her)

[cobalt coyote]

I wish the final final Boss wasnt lace

[sacred heath]

i do wish there was more random Lace interactions

[vestal swan]

But star the poor homunculus that is forced to be a child forever!

[cobalt coyote]

That's the THIRD lace fight

[terse warren]

I cared about her because of Lacenet until I went back and realized she's a kid 🥀

Once again TC ruining everything good

[sinful nimbus]

They killed Lacenet for this?

[vestal swan]

Yeah I was expecting a void possessed GMS not a void possessed lace

[sinful nimbus]

Great minds think alike

[cobalt coyote]

Void GMS in god home trust me

[terse warren]

I was not expecting TC to have us fight Lace for a third time but ig they ran out of money

[cobalt coyote]

The music was amazing tho

[vestal swan]

Like think about the meme with the army guy protecting the kid from the knives and the grenades, GMS should be the one totally covered in void not lace

[terse warren]

TRUREEEE

COOK AGAIN

[sinful nimbus]

GMS sucks too

[cobalt coyote]

The Boss y mean or what

[terse warren]

It was her chance to actually be a good boss

[sinful nimbus]

Neither of these characters are fleshed out and both wouldn't work as a final boss as they currently are

[vestal swan]

Yeah there's a reason she's in my too easy tier on my boss tierlist

[cobalt coyote]

The Boss i wish it was harder

[terse warren]

First Sinner should've been the true final boss

[cobalt coyote]

Hope she gets pure vesseled in a future dlc

[fossil tendon]

Besides the dancers do we have any queer NPCs

[sinful nimbus]

OK Tammo

[vestal swan]

The most annoying part of her fight can be dealt with by throwing a single saw on the floor

[sinful nimbus]

No 😔

Queer rep is lacking smh

[terse warren]

I genuinely thought a Weaver would've been the final boss, at least the fake one

[fossil tendon]

This brings me woe and despair

[vestal swan]

Is it really just them in this game? Dang.

[terse warren]

We went from 4 in game 1 to 2 in game 2

[fair axle]

All she’s known for who knows how long is having other people fight for her so maybe we got her while she was rusty 😭

[terse warren]

I guess Grindle has pronouns

[fossil tendon]

I don’t mind, we don’t need to see queer representation everywhere, though I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t a missed opportunity

[sacred heath]

which is weird because TC’s normally good about that stuff
I mean look at hollow knight those bugs are SO gay

[sinful nimbus]

TC when they have to choose between making Hornet a lesbian or making Hornet a racist

[fossil tendon]

Isn’t she both?

[sinful nimbus]

Just a racist unfortunately

[terse warren]

We have to appeal to the biggest demographic

[fossil tendon]

Fuck

[vestal swan]

Grindle?

[terse warren]

Shawkra is real trust

[fossil tendon]

Is Grindle gay?

[terse warren]

He always uses "Us" or "We" when talking about themselves

[cobalt coyote]

He is anything for enough shinies

[terse warren]

It's something ig

[fossil tendon]

So he’s a kleptomaniac

[vestal swan]

Okay but isn't he actually referring to all of his buddies in most of his dialogue

[fossil tendon]

Is that a queer though?

[terse warren]

No he says "Us" 24/7

[fair axle]

For what reasoon 😭😭😭 she is not racist