sk-lore

[vestal swan]

Zote having the most dialogue in the first game:

They came back as fertilizer

[lost reef]

do we ever find out what this room is for?

[frosty gate]

They're both dead, but they are both in their place

[vestal swan]

It's a room

[edgy barn]

Well what else do you find there?

[foggy fractal]

no

just decorative structure

[stuck berry]

this is actually the room where william afton stuck 5 children into a set of animatronics

[frosty gate]

Who's logic sorry?
I agree the Karmel, GP, Khann and Nyleth have influence over their territories, but they're not close to being HBs. That's why i call them Rulers

[lost reef]

I returned several times hoping something would show up, but nothing. Like, it's literally a whole place beneath the bench. It looks very important, but it's just to the side. Like, there's zero reason to ever go here, it doesn't even lead anywhere, there's zero secrets, and yet it's this beautiful room. there's never even any enemies here.

[frosty gate]

Where even is this

[silver spire]

raysin thinks karmelita is a higher being due to her sustaining the farland caves

[nova yarrow]

how much is a measure, since we know a beat is four

[frosty gate]

I mean, no, but she is sustaining them somehow

[nova yarrow]

do they possibly use a base four counting system-

[foggy fractal]

somewhere in shellwood

[quaint spear]

Op song ability I guess

[silver spire]

exactly

[stuck loom]

My point was the distinction between what is and isn't a 'higher being' isn't as clear cut as the community considered in the first game. According to the Shamans, the power of Nyleth, Khann and Karmelita equals or exceed Grand Mother Silk's

[vestal swan]

It's music jargon

[lost reef]

beneath the bench in the middle

[vestal swan]

No it doesn't?

[nova yarrow]

but if that were the case a measure would be 4?

[silver spire]

??? where did they EVER state that 💀

[frosty gate]

I'm pretty sure they mean that as "Together"

[vestal swan]

That's combining three hearts to enter a memory

[quaint spear]

Wha

[nova yarrow]

assuming common time

[stuck loom]

Yea

[spark valve]

not only is it not specifically their power each of the hearts is itself still weaker than gms

[silver spire]

bro is hallucinating or smth idk

[frosty gate]

So?

[foggy fractal]

hello Tammo

[nova yarrow]

unless each rosary is a sixteenth in which case a measure would be 16

[vestal swan]

And not only was the three hearts not enough each one of them is significantly weaker alone

[quaint spear]

But yeah GMS was pretty sad and also tyranical

[vestal swan]

You keep trying to blur the line of higher being but there is no line being blurred

[stuck loom]

A third of the power of a higher being, what's the point that determines what power level makes you one

[vestal swan]

What

[spark valve]

somewhere between the power of a higher being and a small fraction of the power of a higher being

[quaint spear]

Gurl ended civilizations but also kind of depressing that she cared so much for Lace.

[gentle aspen]

hello Redditors

[foggy fractal]

hey

[spark valve]

andy is a redditor??

[frosty gate]

I guess you mean what ability determines a HB?

Creating Life is one

And enhancing it too

[quaint spear]

Urm

[gentle aspen]

that’s never been a requirement for being a higher being

[quaint spear]

So any bug is a higher being

[stuck loom]

Yea that's Nyleth, and implied to be Karmelita

[quaint spear]

Cause they can mate lmao😭

[foggy fractal]

yeah I do have a reddit account
I have a total of 0 posts though

[frosty gate]

Didn't say it was

[quaint spear]

According to your logic

That's still creating life😭

[vestal swan]

Karmelita is not enhancing anything

[quaint spear]

Yeah she low-key just protects stuff with her song

[silver spire]

karmelita deffo did NOT create life, greenery or vegetation in far fields was not her creation, rather she is sustaining it through song

that isn't a distinctly divine feat, as weavers and citadel bugs also are capable of such

[quaint spear]

That greenery was just originally preserved and now she's protecting it so of course it's gonna prosper

[spark valve]

does it need to be said that there's a difference between magically creating life and biological reproduction?

[opaque pier]

How is the everbloom a family treasure for the white lady when ze'mer had tons of them and did she know she was a memory in hornet's red memory?

[vestal swan]

Nyleth was stated to be the origin of the areas plants and in control of them when alive, Karmelita sealed off an area and preserved it

[frosty gate]

Create life from nowhere and birthing a child is different.
Unn created the Mosskin

[gentle aspen]

wait is this an old hearts are higher beings discussion

[frosty gate]

Again, yes

[spark valve]

unfortunately

[vestal swan]

Sort of

[gentle aspen]

lmao I’m scram skedaddling

bye

[silver spire]

take a look at these

[frosty gate]

Fair reaction

[sinful nimbus]

Old Hearts aren't higher beings the only higher beings in Pharloom are GMS and Fayforn

[quaint spear]

Nyleth still eats tho

[spark valve]

sentenced to swallowing

[frosty gate]

Fayforn is not a HB

[silk dirge]

absolution denied

[foggy fractal]

swallowing what ?

[silver spire]

nyleth is the heart of shellwood and the origin of life there, while karmelita is the songqueen of the skarr and maintains their territory for the skarr

[vestal swan]

Fayforn isn't a HB what

[foggy fractal]

like a cherry ?

[spark valve]

as in being devoured

[stuck loom]

Gilly explicitly says she's the source of it multiple times bro, just because it's not as spelled out as Nyleth, you can infer it being the case, they're implied to be similarly powerful beings with similar influence on their respective areas

[silk dirge]

muckmaggot

[foggy fractal]

oh my bad, swallowed by who though

[silk dirge]

pickled to be more specific

[frosty gate]

The source of the greenery

[sinful nimbus]

Do you think Fayforn was the swallower

[silver spire]

dawg...... your gilly dialogue doesn't prove that lmfao. it only proves that she's sustaining it, not the greenery originating from it

[vestal swan]

She said to be the queen of song which could just be spells for one, and secondly she sealed off the area and preserved it that doesn't require or imply any magical control

[spark valve]

broodmother seems like the most likely candidate esp given broodling dialogue about being brought food

[silver spire]

there's a clear distinction between these that you're somehow missing

[sinful nimbus]

ph suhre

shrue

[frosty gate]

Like I agree on a magical influence, but that doesn't mean anything about Higher Beings

[sinful nimbus]

Broodmothers are messed up man

[spark valve]

the citadel is bad actually

[stuck loom]

Compared to the caves below, this lush growth feels even greater. Have we crawled close to the source of their sustenance?

[sinful nimbus]

No the flies are the bad ones duh

[vestal swan]

I mean it does, but Karmelita was not stated to be exerting magical influence

[stuck loom]

Like cmon you can't get any clearer than "THE SOURCE OF SUSTENANCE OF THE LUSH GROWTH OF THESE CAVES"

[silver spire]

keyword: sustenance

[vestal swan]

Yes somebody's feeding and watering the plants it's not that absurd, this is not stating a supernatural thing is going on

Can you not tell the difference between someone maintaining a garden and someone magically being in control and tied to it

[silver spire]

hey chat, here's your yearly reminder that literacy is a skill learned in elementary school

[stuck loom]

SOURCE =/= she's just taking care of it

[vestal swan]

Source of sustenance

You can't just remove part of the sentence to try and make your point

[silver spire]

keyword: SUSTENANCE, she's NOURISHING the green, not literally being the origin of it

that's like saying because steak is my source of sustenance, it is therefore my creator

[foggy fractal]

but what if

[vestal swan]

Fertilizer, killing things so the plants can eat the corpses, watering etc

[spark valve]

karmelita didn't create far fields but the power she inherited sustains at least some of the life there

[foggy fractal]

being created by a steak would be kinda awesome

[silver spire]

exactly

[foggy fractal]

inherited from who or what again ?

[quaint spear]

She low-key just preserves it

[frosty gate]

"The strength that sustained these caves" does sound a lil bit magical, but either way, nothing really changes if it was or not

[spark valve]

the shamans are very vague about that

[vestal swan]

Since when did she inherit power

[spark valve]

seems like she just gets it for being the last ruler of the region

[quaint spear]

Gurl wha

[stuck loom]

I swear yall haven't read the entirety of the dialogue, im just pasting lines from it

[gentle aspen]

das a man

[quaint spear]

I call everyone gurl

[stuck loom]

seems silly to say Nyleth has the special higher being sauce while she doesn't

[spark valve]

Nyleth probably isn’t a hb either

[frosty gate]

No one said she does

[gentle aspen]

nyleth is the most reasonable to assert being a higher being but she most likely isn’t one either

[vestal swan]

Nyleth actually has listed feats that are closer to a higher being than maintaining some plants

[quaint spear]

Gurl created plants and a whole area of flora meanwhile Karmelita just preserves stuff

[stuck loom]

@subtle burrow did

[sinful nimbus]

She's Isma 2

[gentle aspen]

Isma upscale?

[foggy fractal]

CM : Through their march, at the far border of these lowlands, seek the last queen of the ant hunters. We can sense her still... just.
was it this one about being the last queen ?

[silver spire]

ive been going through her wiki page and lore dialogue

[vestal swan]

If she can control her whole region to let people pass through safely that's God like

Isma is a fraud

[silver spire]

NONE of it suggests higher being lmao

[gentle aspen]

enough about you, we’re talking about isma here

[vestal swan]

Isma ate a watermelon seed and died

[frosty gate]

Who the hell is Weapo he isn't even in the conversation

[sinful nimbus]

I did not meet gilly so I'm not fully convinced she's real

[silver spire]

you're just heavily misinterpreting the dialogue

[gentle aspen]

what are you on about

[spark valve]

They also have a line about seeking the hearts where they describe the bearers as the last inheritors of power that predated gms

[vestal swan]

How did you not meet Gilly she is the worst at hiding ever

She sneezes when you walk over her

[stuck loom]

So Nyleth is a higher being and Karmelita is just a strong bug that can sing, yet their power is said to be equal 🤔

[gentle aspen]

Bad at the game

[quaint spear]

Isma cried and we ate her tear so sad

[silk dirge]

fortnite bush ahh

[frosty gate]

No one said Nyleth is a HB

[gentle aspen]

you are selectively reading what people are saying, please stop.

[frosty gate]

She has feats

[stuck loom]

Wrong @, the guy with the long user

[frosty gate]

But isn't

[gentle aspen]

They said “nyleth has more going for her to be a higher being than karm” not that she’s a higher being

[vestal swan]

Me

[stuck loom]

@vestal swan

[sinful nimbus]

[silver spire]

idk man, unn the greenmother seems pretty similar in scale to nyleth, as they both created entire areas and were the source of multiple species

[foggy fractal]

BH : Grnk. Seek the old hearts of our kingdom and the last successors to bear their strength.
this one then, so maybe the three heart bosses inherited something from unseen higher beings, probably not though given there is zero mention of it elsewhere

[vestal swan]

I did actually say it earlier because she is responsible for creating the plants and controlling them, which is not something the ant Queen in the corner is doing

[quaint spear]

Ant Queen is the true fraud

[vestal swan]

Nyleth is also talking to Seth from beyond the grave? Or is Seth haunted by the silking

[sinful nimbus]

Isma is alive is aconfirmed lf g

[gentle aspen]

unn is way stronger

[silver spire]

how so

[gentle aspen]

never diss my queen again

[vestal swan]

Unn had a way bigger region and stayed connected to them too

[silver spire]

we never fight her

[spark valve]

I think it makes more sense to think the origin of their power is just latent somehow

[gentle aspen]

the entirety of greenpath is larger than shellwood

[vestal swan]

Unn has like 4 shellwoods

[quaint spear]

Nyleth became da heart tho

[stuck loom]

This doesnt matter tho

[silver spire]

unn was calling out to her children for a long time lmao, and almost NONE of them could hear her

[stuck loom]

Are we counting the pixels of the map now

[gentle aspen]

“Pixels”

[vestal swan]

Unn created all of that so it is a matter of what they accomplished

[quaint spear]

That's sad

[gentle aspen]

are you high

[foggy fractal]

cool cool

[silk dirge]

she also created queens gardens and possibly fog canyon

[gentle aspen]

It’s a vague approximation the sumnation of what unn created is larger than shellwood

[silk dirge]

so unn controlled a lot

it adds up to one

[gentle aspen]

no I’m minding you a lot

[foggy fractal]

when weaver in full part 😔

[silk dirge]

im saying thats significant

[stuck loom]

Being pedantic are we

[gentle aspen]

They all dead

[gentle aspen]

??

[frosty gate]

Yeah, as I said, they have feats, but she's not an HB.
She's like a root, the heart of Shellwood.

[silk dirge]

widow:

[gentle aspen]

We kill her

[silk dirge]

shrue

[foggy fractal]

nooo !
Wait that one still alive in HK weaver's den haha checkmate !!!

[vestal swan]

Yes I'm aware, also part of fungal used to be hers

[stuck loom]

Isn't this the criteria that made people consider Unn a higher being

[silver spire]

she was the seed that sprang all life in the forest of shellwood including those annoying flowers

[spark valve]

The Hallownest weavers got lost on the road or something

[gentle aspen]

No

[silver spire]

that's similar to unn's feats, just smaller in scale

just because unn owns more territory in a land unclaimed does not discard nyleth's claim to divinity

[frosty gate]

Which is why she is kinda like one but not fully one

[whole marsh]

Didn’t Unn literally think Greenpath and the Mosskin into existence? Nyalanth spread like a weed and can control the plants she’s connected to. No where near the same level as Unn

[sinful nimbus]

The alive weaver in HK tried saving the little weavers from magically being erased from the universe but got caught in the retcon too 😔

[vestal swan]

Unn created life out of essence
Nyleth did it from her body
Unn stayed connected to her creations to support them
Nyleth could stay connected to them while alive and control them

[molten spire]

So wtf was Silk Grand Mother's end goal? Turn everyone into puppeted minions?

[frosty gate]

Exactly, Nyleth is a seed made power

[gentle aspen]

wake up

have kids

[frosty gate]

Unn just said "It'd be nice if there was green here" and it happened

[silver spire]

ok that's fair, we're not sure on the exact method of how nyleth created the woods since we dont get anything related to the dream realm in silksong

[stuck loom]

That comes from a lore tablet of the mosskin, AKA its followers, so not literally reliable

[sinful nimbus]

Rule kingdom
Sustain Lace

[gentle aspen]

there’s no way

now you ignoring dialogue wallahi

[silver spire]

not really no, higher beings are proven to be able to just THINK things into existence

[molten spire]

Huh...

[silver spire]

the radiance for one

[sinful nimbus]

Not all higher beings

[frosty gate]

We don't even know if she created the woods, we just know she's the first seed

[silver spire]

would beg to differ

[vestal swan]

We need to unironically blacklist the word unreliable because nobody knows how to use it I swear to Arceus

[foggy fractal]

wallahi we are finished 💔

[vestal swan]

Higher beings do not all share a blanket power of any kind, they all have different power sets but some of them do share abilities

[foggy fractal]

swear to who ?

[whole marsh]

Pokemon God

[foggy fractal]

oh that guy

[silver spire]

all of the higher beings in hollow knight shared a common trait in their connection to essence and the dream realm

[vestal swan]

They did not

[silver spire]

unn was able to dream greenpath into existence

[gentle aspen]

lord of shades

[frosty gate]

I personally take it as "The 3 hearts had the potential to maybe be Higher Beings but just couldn't for different reasons"

[sinful nimbus]

"in hollow knight" doing a lot of legwork

[silk dirge]

ventrica roller coaster 1 is unreliable i dont want to ride it

[silver spire]

lord of shades didnt even exist until attunement in godhome

[silk dirge]

there i used it properly

[gentle aspen]

false

[vestal swan]

Unn did
Rad did
pk didn't
Tk didn't
Nightmare heart has its own flavor

[sinful nimbus]

Lord of Shades refers to The Knight with Void Heart

[frosty gate]

Reasons probably being the death or loss of their following

[vestal swan]

Wl didnt

[whole marsh]

WL also doesn’t show any dream power… unless we count SS where she seems to be talking to Horner from the future. But idk if that counts

[gentle aspen]

oh brother not this again

[sinful nimbus]

PK did

[silver spire]

PK was able to pull his entire castle into the dream realm

nightmare heart is still part of a severed dream realm

[sinful nimbus]

Kingsmoulds also use essence commands

[earnest marsh]

Yeah

[sinful nimbus]

You could argue the beacon is a form of essence manipulation too since it alters the minds of his subjects

[silk dirge]

pk dream defense got nothing on the dude from inception

[foggy fractal]

which is ?

asking who's the dude

[silk dirge]

watch inception

the dude they do inception on

[sinful nimbus]

Why are we pointing to PK instead of Fraudmother Silk

[foggy fractal]

gms ? talking about dream stuff ? then no gms wasn't shown to do some dream stuff

[spark valve]

'her creations can' or whatever

[silver spire]

the knight with void heart still isn't at the scale of a higher being, it's only able to quell the void near it, while the lord of shades which is void given focus is specifically found in godhome, after the focus of the godseekers were focused into the knight through ritual combat

[gentle aspen]

this is very untrue

[spark valve]

haunting also manipulates dreams

[gentle aspen]

we evolve past pk and we literally kill rad what is this

[stuck berry]

there's a group of people who jump into dreams and change people's hearts so they do that with this one guy for reasons but his dream defenses are so strong they have to go down 4 or 5 layers of dreams within dreams for the reasons to work

[sinful nimbus]

The Knight with Void Heart is noted to have surpassed the Pale King

[stuck berry]

other guy was saying pale king had insane dream defenses

[sinful nimbus]

shuyt up i'm still processing soul infection

[foggy fractal]

where have I heard that before...

[silver spire]

the shade lord literally did not exist until the godseekers focused on the knight enough to allow it to ascend

[stuck berry]

you'd never see it coming

[stuck loom]

The point was that they combined equalling the power of a higher being makes their status as an untouchable clearly defined thing kinda questionable since there could also be a creature with half the power of one, or an eigth or whtever

[silver spire]

now the knight himself with the void heart however

[compact escarp]

So the green prince partner created the cogwork core just to save his home?

[silver spire]

that guy existed, just not the void god in its entirety

[gentle aspen]

Why is this relevant

they are confirmed to be higher than a higher being in their base

[silk dirge]

i mean i wouldnt be surprised if its something team cherry was inspired by

[silver spire]

and also, tk has the dream nail :> so uhhhhh 😄

[frosty gate]

Yeah, they combined and di that, we know that, what was the point of the discussion

[sinful nimbus]

shade lord is a different (non canonical) term than the Lord of Shades (Which is a canonical term)

[silk dirge]

inception is pretty well known

[gentle aspen]

that’s not an inborn ability

[silver spire]

(this is a joke btw)

[fresh badger]

Bro is confusing Lord of Shades with Void Given Focus 💀

[sinful nimbus]

Close enough welcome back Trellis

[silk dirge]

i think we need better terminology then

[fresh badger]

VGFocus is right there

[silk dirge]

that is very confusing

[silver spire]

yea atp i thought he meant shade lord, theyre so close .-.

[foggy fractal]

so in its own tier of higher being ?

[agile coral]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-surprise-wow-woah-black-gif-5883371

[sinful nimbus]

It is but you can't control fanon

[gentle aspen]

Just use canon terms

shade lord is just a file name

[stuck loom]

It implies there are beings with several degrees of power relative to higher beings, from being almost as powerful to a fraction as powerful

[gentle aspen]

official title is vgfocus

[gentle aspen]

okay so

[stuck berry]

the citadel higher-ups were threatening to take over their land, the lesser prince sacrificed himself to the citadel so they wouldn't encroach on verdania (they did it anyway) and the lesser prince was made into two cogwork automatons

[timber pond]

It Feels like The Knight just is the lord of shades the whole time and never reveals that he can take a diffrent form until godhome.

[gentle aspen]

dream no more???

[frosty gate]

Yeah, but I don't see what point does that make, that's not deniable. Hornet is literal proof

[timber pond]

HE had no need to do so

[gentle aspen]

but yes they are that “the whole time” while they have void heaet

[gentle aspen]

they quite literally change their form in that ending

They don’t normally have horns that long nor tendrils coming out of their back

[stuck loom]

was just saying it might be kinda different from how the fandom conceptualized it in the first game with obsessively trying to categorize what isn't and what is one

[compact escarp]

Oh...

And the green prince locked himself in the S. Road because he couldn't do anything?

[gentle aspen]

Also the knight is genderless

[vestal swan]

It's not, the line is not being blurred by you constantly saying that it's blurry

[whole marsh]

I honestly think he just needed a lot of void present to physically build the form, and a reason to actually turn into it. Godhome was filled with void when he transformed

[stuck berry]

we don't know why g prince got locked in there but he stayed there out of extreme guilt and grief

[frosty gate]

But we know what is an isn't. The fact some have great power doesn't make them gods.

[sinful nimbus]

We already knew that there were beings more powerful than regular joes and less powerful than Higher Beings

[agile coral]

why would the knight be the lord of shades the WHOLE TIME??? theres no evidence for that at all

[agile coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1421591521794330687/image0.gif

[gentle aspen]

Wasn’t this discussion you calling all the old hearts higher beings

[silver spire]

the dnail dialogue of the statue that gives SC

[timber pond]

The statue in the Abyss Calls him that when Void heart is obtained. I just mean the Form we see in the godseeker ending is something he can do under certain conditions , and is not necessciarly "new".

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah I agree

[vestal swan]

It was them saying the line is blurry bc they exist

[agile coral]

i would have to assume that being conditional means that they arent always the lord of shades, only when the conditions are met. is that not what conditional means

[timber pond]

In sister of The void, He , and the siblings transform back into "Shade" form after "Lord" form oblitrates the tendrils

[frosty gate]

One must wonder, did VGFocus exist from before and somehow the Void lost its focus?

[spark valve]

No

[agile coral]

the potential to become the lord of shades does not imply being the lord of shades the whole time

[silver spire]

VGFocus was a result of the godseekers

[foggy fractal]

the condition of being the "lord of shades" is voidheart
yes guys please confirm

[timber pond]

In sister of the Void, he Seems to be able to use The claws of his "Lord" form and then take the form of a shade for hornet

[gentle aspen]

“Inspired or mad, those ancient bugs. They devoted their worship to no lord, no power, but to the very darkness itself”

[spark valve]

That’s not what happens in the ending at all

[whole marsh]

He is the lord of shades, and the form is also called the lord of shades (to distinguish it from his other void forms).

[gentle aspen]

I missed one part of the quote but the important part is there

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway do you guys think its possible for White Lady to conjure sylphean slugs to infect the citizens of hallownest

[frosty gate]

Ok, my bad, been a while.

[agile coral]

whats with insisting the knight is a he? the whole point is that none of the vessels have any defining traits which includes personality and gender. hornet is "the gendered child" because she is the only child of the pale king that isn't an empty vessel

[spark valve]

Slugs aren’t plants so no duh

[gentle aspen]

well, two of the vessels we see have no gender

[timber pond]

look its not that deep im just using it to make typing my point easier

[gentle aspen]

and they do have personalities

PK was wrong

[gentle aspen]

it uses the same amount of letters

[silk dirge]

i swear people here be pulling out the most random questions 😭

[gentle aspen]

they uses two more

[whole marsh]

Still more effort

[frosty gate]

I find it particularly hilarious they keep making small enphasis on the He everytime

[foggy fractal]

nah

[silk dirge]

yesterday someone was asking if fleasmaster mooshka wanted to build an ethnostate which is like ??? what would lead you to come to that conclusion and why would you ask that

[gentle aspen]

is she stupid?

[agile coral]

i mean yeah they do have personalities that was the fatal flaw but i feel like gendering the vessels kind of takes away from part of what makes hornet so special compared to them

[foggy fractal]

yes

[spark valve]

Absolutely

[frosty gate]

Biggest mistake, bro was fucking stupid

[stuck loom]

HUH

[foggy fractal]

also can cause confusion as to who the person is talking about

[sinful nimbus]

I think the pale beings innate desire for control and her lack of other senses might make her try to understand what her citizens are doing no matter the cost

[gentle aspen]

gender is a social construct they weren’t socialized at birth to have one but there’s nothing stating their travels couldn’t cause them to identify with one

[vestal swan]

Nah she'll just make root babies appear after unbinding herself and absorb everyone

[agile coral]

i do really like how the sisters of the void ending gives us that final piece of confirmation that even the knight was no perfect vessel (winged nosk was technically a hint but ehh)

[agile coral]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-fire-gif-523038869044733220

[spark valve]

It was already confirmed so many times in the first game

[vestal swan]

There was literally dozens of examples

[gentle aspen]

It makes sense for thk to not have one because they were explicitly raised to not have one and the knight is just stupid and dumb and strong

[vestal swan]

The last time I did a full count it was like 32

[sinful nimbus]

Gender doesnt' exist in hollow kngiht

[silk dirge]

chat its time for your weekly vessel purity discussion

[sinful nimbus]

There is no indication that gender roles/norms exist, its just sex

[spark valve]

That’s a possibility

[sinful nimbus]

Well I guess GMS and Lace might debunk it

[frosty gate]

"Gendered child"

[sinful nimbus]

This is far more likely to refer to sex though

[stuck berry]

that's just a title hornet really isn't all that feminine

more nickname than title

[spark valve]

True

[stuck loom]

U srs rn

[sinful nimbus]

Gender not existing was the funniest possibiluity i'm sad to see it go

[elder rune]

Bruh what

[native vine]

shes so feminine what are you on about did you not see her kill that fly in the slab

[stuck loom]

She's so girly pop

[silk dirge]

thats what i was asking

what the fuck leads you to coming to that conclusion

[gentle aspen]

Men can wear frilly dresses

[agile coral]

they literally just let seth in cuz hes chill 😭

[stuck berry]

words don't mean anything anymore

[whole marsh]

“Gendered Child” does sound a lot better than the “Sexed Child”

[sinful nimbus]

Well he thinks fondly of Hornet

[limber anvil]

Think these 2 would get along?

[spark valve]

No

[gentle aspen]

No

[stuck loom]

he would eat him

[silk dirge]

he hasnt read her hunters journal

[agile coral]

soul master would literally kill him immediately for the soul

[sinful nimbus]

I prefer Soul Master x Emilitia

[frosty gate]

Woudl probably hate each other

[silk dirge]

i doubt mooshka even knows what the slab is

[elder rune]

The Flea Caravans have been nothing but kindhearted lads and ur telling me some people think they’re secretly evil!? Why and how would someone reach that conclusion?!!

[timber pond]

Another Proof of Silksong being a mirror to Hollow Knight. BIg Frown VS Big Smile

[stuck berry]

soul master studied that shit he knows the ins and outs of soul magic. groal over here his poser ass merely ate a snail and called it a day

[spark valve]

Emilitia’s husk hooked up to the snail pump:

[sinful nimbus]

You can still sense her racist aura

[silk dirge]

buh

[limber anvil]

Honestly i would love to watch the fogs kill eachother

[agile coral]

and groal hates rich people who live in capitol cities so they both have reasons to hate eachother

[silk dirge]

it was a joke

[foggy fractal]

😨

[silk dirge]

a pretty bad one tho

[sinful nimbus]

Toxic yaori

[limber anvil]

True lol

[stuck loom]

Groal would literally swallow the blob

[sinful nimbus]

Emilitia and Soul Master both have the blue and red cloak

[elder rune]

And thank god too! Last thing I want from Groal is for him to teleport!

Or fire off homing shots!

[gentle aspen]

“Knows the ins and outs of soul magic”

[stuck loom]

don't give TC any ideas

[gentle aspen]

Dude soul master fucking sucks

[limber anvil]

Desolate dive inside of groal

[stuck berry]

idk my point is he's far more devoted to it than groal

[gentle aspen]

he took one spell from a shaman

[spark valve]

soul master is better at magic than groal but not necessarily a better fighter overall

[limber anvil]

Yup

[gentle aspen]

Groal solos

[limber anvil]

Both suck at using soul

[gentle aspen]

Mid diff

[native vine]

groal would just say go my maggots and steal all of soul masters soul

[stuck berry]

would groal be mucked or could he focus it off

[gentle aspen]

Soul master can’t focus

[elder rune]

And learned how to teleport and fire off magical homing shots… oh and also taught his pupils how to use magic too!

[vestal swan]

Groal would kill him and drain his soul like they did to those shamans

[limber anvil]

I know how to make it worse... make them do the dragonball fusion dance lol

[gentle aspen]

He’s mid

[agile coral]

groal won the soul lottery and soul master has been working his ass off and sacrificing like 60 billion civilians to get close to groal

[silk dirge]

groal cant heal so it doesnt matter anyway

[gentle aspen]

Lowest tier magic says what

[limber anvil]

Groal is also mid

[vestal swan]

The teleport being the most common magic is funny

[limber anvil]

Soul tyrant maybe could beat groal soul master cant

[spark valve]

Groal is doing the same shit he just has access to less bugs to drain

[elder rune]

HE. CAN. TELEPORT!!!!

[sinful nimbus]

Meh

[gentle aspen]

Lots of people can teleport

[agile coral]

id say soul master has it better than groal in terms of soul power but groal has one thing that the soul master doesn't and that's a stink aura that permeates throughout multiple city blocks wherever he travels

[sinful nimbus]

He is no match for the ethereal light of our king

[silver spire]

but which ones do so without soul though

[gentle aspen]

that isn’t relevant

?

[stuck berry]

team groal 🐸 or team soul 🐱

[gentle aspen]

I love random ad hominem

[silk dirge]

groal

[sinful nimbus]

Really grinds me gears

[limber anvil]

Well cut crest hud from edge magazine... im thinking maybe early wanderers

[timber pond]

I mean its not so impressive Considering Beings can Shift reality into Dreams,stop time, and Fucking drag Physical objects out of the past and Control Bugs with various Uses of Soul

[sinful nimbus]

Soul Master came first and did it better

[foggy fractal]

yeah even those verdanians can do it
and those karakians

[sinful nimbus]

He also has far more aura

[silk dirge]

hes not a frog so objectively wrong

[gentle aspen]

Skinny twink

[agile coral]

groal has a smelly aura that is definitely more pungent than soul master's coolness aura

[silk dirge]

frogs objectively have lots of aura 🐸

[agile coral]

also groal's cronies are far more dangerous

[elder rune]

They don’t actually teleport, they’re just extremely fast

[whole marsh]

Something interesting about the shamans in SS is that they aren’t bound to their mounds or locations, like the shamans in HK. Any ideas as to why?

[foggy fractal]

says who.

to the frogs having aura part btw

[gentle aspen]

He needs to inflate himself to Groal’s stature

[limber anvil]

I want someone to make a hornet art of them snapping groals neck

[stuck berry]

frogs have peaceful joy aura is the thing

[timber pond]

Uhhh Most shamans in HK are ddead bro 😭

[stuck berry]

can you link the originals i wanna see the artist

[gentle aspen]

well they aren’t really bound to their mounds

[glad slate]

what neck

[whole marsh]

The first one is

He says as much

[limber anvil]

1 moment

[timber pond]

Yeah probably For a personal reason.

[gentle aspen]

“I’d visit if not for my job”

[whole marsh]

Maybe he was just being cheeky because he didn’t want to actually leave

[stuck berry]

team groal wins this one it's over soulheads 😔

[timber pond]

The First snail Shaman Is a liar and sketchy as hell IMO i dont trust anything he actually says

[agile coral]

anyone else think its such a cool bit of foreshadowing that you get all the crests in a chapel (except for witch shut up i know) so logically theres a crest in the ruined chapel?? like it clicked for me in act 2 and i was so happy to be right when i got shamans

[timber pond]

They all speak in Half Truths lol

[glad slate]

watcher at the edge lwk a harder fight than khann

[agile coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1421591521794330687/image0.gif

[glad slate]

wait wrong chat

[silver spire]

witch you somewhat get it, chcapel of the witch is where u go to after infested

[agile coral]

yeah but its like halfway not correct i guess we'll count it for consistency's sake

[stuck berry]

two moves and one of them is cloud's up special from smash

[agile coral]

okay and clouds up special from smash is fucking good

also khann is an exceptionally low bar

[native vine]

could greyroots home not also be part of the chapel but they just dont put the name

[silver spire]

watcher at the edge is ahrder than khann, khann has a total of three moves: coral, more coral, and coral stalactites

[glad slate]

khann's gauntlets were 10x harder than his actual fight I kinda wish he did more
his fight concept is really good though

[gentle aspen]

khann’s difficulty is also cuz of the gauntlets tbf

[elder rune]

Khann is all hype moments and aura (Affectionate)

[gentle aspen]

Its the whole package

[agile coral]

i dont count the gauntlet as part of the boss

coral tower is harder than watcher at the edge but khann is not

[gentle aspen]

Bald activity

[vestal swan]

Only the last room is required every time you retry right

[spark valve]

except lex luthor is smart

[elder rune]

Yes

[native vine]

you can drop a stalactite thing

[silk dirge]

lex luthor drop of doom at six flags magic mountain

[stuck berry]

tried to make a country of his own and call it luthoria

[vestal swan]

Yeah I know about the shortcut I just couldn't remember how many rooms you had to do after it

[stuck berry]

a smarter man would've called it something better

[foggy fractal]

Lextopia ?

[native vine]

coral tower is so ass i spent hours there and then first tried the gauntlet+khann section
its actually not bad i just cant juggle enemies

[silk dirge]

wait a minute...

[glad slate]

I died to khann 3 times total?
I died to the gauntlets like 15+ times

[native vine]

you’d think a “tyrant” would be significantly stronger than their minions

[glad slate]

the enemies I died to the most were the flying ones hornet compared to herself attacking wise and then the triple combo mini conch drills in the first gauntlet a ton

[stuck berry]

i got khann on the third attempt i got WOTE on the second

man needs to up his game

[glad slate]

nyleth took me a good chunk of attempts and I found her boss fun

[short cave]

guys

[stuck berry]

does everyone just repost lore observations from twitter now

[native vine]

reverse marketable plushie

[stuck berry]

is that what this channel is

[limber anvil]

Sorry i dont know which artiste but here are rhe reddit posts https://www.reddit.com/r/Silksong/comments/1ndcaey/pov_you_stole_hornets_clothes/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Silksong/comments/1ntbeb0/hollow_technique_purple/

[stuck berry]

like 10 people reposted the same 4 screenshots of zote and greyroot

[agile coral]

i dont use twitter and i just talk about my thoughts and then when im wrong i pretend to go afk for 5 minutes

[vestal swan]

Not even remotely similar

[silk dirge]

shoutouts to the person who made a drawing of savage beastfly in a glue trap

[glad slate]

I feel like khann can do hand to hand combat but he just wanted to aura farm the entire time, or he just didn't want hornet to get close to him because he knows damn well if she can get through all his heavily trained guards then he's cooked.. but either way he does nothing but aura farm with his yelling each gauntlet and just pulling pillars outta the ground

[elder rune]

Good riddance

No one likes them

[native vine]

??????

[agile coral]

https://tenor.com/view/luigis-mansion-sleep-gif-23758548

[stuck berry]

what a great channel

[native vine]

take it to hk meme buddy

[edgy nebula]

"wooshka, karak!" was such aura

[spark valve]

the knight isn't evil so no

then what's your source

[glad slate]

guys! He said the thing! karak!

[native vine]

its an entirely baseless claim

[spark valve]

uh oh

[silk dirge]

it didnt make savage beastflys go extinct so this is wrong

[glad slate]

Nah I think khann got too complacement and was just trying to keep distance from hornet the entire battle, he knew he was toasted... like... crust..

[silk dirge]

i wonder how many savage beastflies are in pharloom

[glad slate]

wait are the boss death scenes reusing the phantom silk explosion 🥹

[silk dirge]

theres 1 dead hanging in memorium

[elder rune]

However many there are, they will be driven to extinction

[stuck berry]

how many enemies in the hunter's journal are in both games

[gentle aspen]

the guy who trafficked women isn’t evil?

[glad slate]

2?

[stuck berry]

there's the lifeblood flies, wingsmoulds, void tendrils, shadow creepers, am i missing any

[native vine]

the wingsmoulds, the shadow creepers, void tendrils uhh

[silk dirge]

silksong enemies marked for extinction
-all variants of red coral flies
-spit squits
-all savage beastflies

[stuck berry]

he's an epic and based alpha male and role model

[native vine]

the lifeblood flies dont count cause they have wings no?

[silk dirge]

actually wait nah pokenabbins can go not extinct theyre kinda cute

[gentle aspen]

they’re both lifeseeds

[foggy fractal]

isn't he a sigma wolf ?

[silk dirge]

the rest can go extinct

especially driznits

[spark valve]

maybe not the right place to describe all his abhorrent and disgusting crimes but yes he is a monstrous evil piece of shit who should spend the rest of his existence miserable behind bars

[silk dirge]

what

[native vine]

i was thinking more about the actual entry names but if we’re going generally then yeah

[stuck berry]

we need to get william and ari on this

[limber anvil]

Dosnt steel soul confirm that hornet is just consifered a higher being?

[silk dirge]

fucking little bomey ass message

[gentle aspen]

so you gonna keep shitposting? Knock it off

[spark valve]

no

[gentle aspen]

Not the channel for it

[gentle aspen]

No

[elder rune]

If anyone in Hollow Knight & Silksong was the Andrew taint equivalent of their setting, it’d probably be whoever was responsible for Whiteward’s creation.

[limber anvil]

Zi calls hornet higher...

[silk dirge]

id prefer this channel be less serious video game lore is objectively not a serious topic 😭

like maybe dont allow meme spam but like a little bit wouldnt hurt imo

[limber anvil]

Or am i one of the few people who have actully done the quest...

[gentle aspen]

No

[native vine]

i feel like theres joking about lore and then theres andrew tate

[silk dirge]

its not like we are discussing the irl history of like world war 2 in here or some shit

[stuck berry]

if gruzzer milk can be allowed to thrive i don't see why less serious but not wholly meme topics should be banned

[gentle aspen]

A joke here and there is fine

[oak thicket]

What the hell did I just walk in on

[gentle aspen]

Calling the knight andrew tate and being “oh andrew tate isn’t evil” isn’t

[limber anvil]

Steel seer zi calls hornet bug... higher... and says higher alot implying thst she is a higher being

[silk dirge]

ok yeah thats bad

[simple hedge]

Same

[silk dirge]

i was kinda tapped out of the conversation

[native vine]

when are we getting the battle of the blackwyrm exposé

[vestal swan]

Zi call her a higher half wyrm, she doesn't use the full term either because she's unsure or she's trying to specify something else

[foggy fractal]

two years

[limber anvil]

They say half pale...but call her higher

[native vine]

practically tomorrow then

[elder rune]

Say, speaking of milk or the Hollow Knight equivalent of it, what creature from Pharloom would produce it? After all, the Citadel needs to have Some way of making luxury cheeses?

[limber anvil]

Implying she is half pale and a full higher being

[stuck berry]

broodmother

[native vine]

do they have cheese in pharloom?

[simple hedge]

Are Weavers considered higher beings?

[gentle aspen]

that’s really not the implication

[stuck berry]

definitely not by the steel people

[silk dirge]

dead savage beastfly could be milked

more incentive to murder them all

[elder rune]

Pulverize & liquify its corpse.

[silk dirge]

now how would beastfly milk taste?

[stuck berry]

i don't think beastflies produce milk

[silk dirge]

i dont want to know

[limber anvil]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Steel_Seer_Zi

[native vine]

probably like sour milk

[elder rune]

Maybe the folks of the Citadel found a way to convert silk into a milk-like substance?

[limber anvil]

It says higher over a dozen times...

[stuck berry]

maybe her actual eyes are where her feet would be so when she calls hornet higher she means from her perspective

[vestal swan]

Also damn Zi is HUGE

[silk dirge]

tall women aura

[native vine]

could they make soul cheese

[gentle aspen]

[elder rune]

Asking the real questions!

[stuck berry]

aren't both of you like 30

[foggy fractal]

given that Hornet is taller than the knight they also had to make other characters taller

like there's probably a bug here and there in this game as tall as thk

[silk dirge]

i hope not if i was 30 this channel is probably the last place id want to be in

[gentle aspen]

Barely

[native vine]

the soul sanctum really missed out on making soul based food tbh all that research was useless

[gentle aspen]

Ex-fucking cuse me I am twenty one

[limber anvil]

Well unless someone can dispute the steel seers words i think we can call hornet a higher being

[stuck berry]

yeah the scale is really funny to me, you really wouldn't think sherma is that tall but he's roughly the same size of elderbug

[gentle aspen]

well no

[elder rune]

Mayhaps Deepnest had silk-derived dairy?

[gentle aspen]

Their dialogue doesn’t call her a higher being

[silk dirge]

whats nine plus ten

[stuck berry]

did you know him 🦎

[native vine]

maybe thats what the trilobite was
silk milk fountain

[limber anvil]

Its fragmented... and they say higher alot.

[silk dirge]

why did i think of that

[gentle aspen]

That doesn’t make her a higher being

[silk dirge]

i have not used that joke in years it just popped in my mind this would be a really silly place to use it

[foggy fractal]

21

[spark valve]

Just use common sense hornet obviously isn’t a god

[simple hedge]

Zi seems to think Hornet is at least higher than Zi

[limber anvil]

Fair... but it says higher... every single time... being cutoff implying they are not finishing the thought

[lapis creek]

thats different

[gentle aspen]

well certainly

[silk dirge]

i mean zi is a clanker of some variety and hornet is a demigod

[gentle aspen]

she’s a very strong individual

[stuck berry]

hornet has higher being in her blood but that's it she's not one herself

[agile coral]

"clanker of some variety" dawg 😭

[gentle aspen]

her dad’s a higher being and weavers were raised up by one

[limber anvil]

True...

[simple hedge]

If we were to find out who the masters are, we could see how comparable Hornet is to them, which would tell us a lot

[silk dirge]

sharpe seems like he would be high up in the ranks of steel city

he actually seems alive

[simple hedge]

This always made me think about God-Tamer

[stuck berry]

i've seen people say this is a grave for the king of deepnest since it's big but i don't see it

[agile coral]

ehhh he kind of seems like a little minion guy though

[silk dirge]

where zi and jinn seem like metal constructs of some sort

[stuck berry]

what's with that hole in the bottom

[silk dirge]

not exactly robots but metal magic constructs

unless sharpe is a void and steel construct

which he might be we have no idea

he might be he might not be

[native vine]

maybe it was supposed to be an interactible and you collected the broken piece to put it back

[elder rune]

Deep culinary lore the likes of which few would acknowledge.

[stuck berry]

cogwork heart precursor

[native vine]

they let a trilobite loose in deepnest to vacuum up all the cobwebs

[stuck berry]

man the cogwork heart and everything about unlocking the second sentinel is so cool i'm glad i found that on my own

[native vine]

i love second sentinel so much

theyre so amazing

their attacks are really interesting too since they have the pinstress’ art but can also do the funky shaman crest slashes

i wonder at what point in the citadel’s lifetime they were created since apparently there was something they had to defend the pilgrims from

[agile coral]

second sentinel wasnt very memorable as a fight for me honestly i don't get the hype

[stuck berry]

yeah there's a theory the pinstresses were the models for the sentinels

i liked it well but it's this type of character that we've never seen before in the series and the story that i vibe with

[lapis creek]

cool design the fight is too easy though

[agile coral]

seems like the citadel gladly steals from and destroys anyone that disobeys them, could have been the 3rd pinstress sister in bilewater

[native vine]

i beat it first or second try but i think the meaning behind it and second sentinel’s character is what really makes me like them so in that sense i didnt really mind the difficulty

[sinful nimbus]

Its a fun fight

[stuck berry]

there's a recurring motif in these games on what it means to be alive and it'd be a waste to feature robots without even exploring that which is why i'm very glad they did

[native vine]

i think we do know they took the pinstress’ teachings and then tried to off them right

[stuck berry]

i don't know about that

[agile coral]

its cool also how since all of the robots contain a silkfly they are technically just a new body for whatever pilgrim got turned into that silkfly but like does that really work

[topaz inlet]

Crazy how the knight was born then went "fuck it we ball" and then ||after the void got em in hallownest the knight was able to retain itself and save hornet in pharloom from the void||

Lwky goated

[native vine]

this bit!

[stuck berry]

ah yeah i see it

[foggy fractal]

ok thk is still very tall, they just appear a lot shorter cuz they're always like bending their legs

[stuck berry]

no wonder seamstress wanted nothing to do with the citadel if this is how they treated her and her sisters

[stuck berry]

zi what are you doing man the lakers need you

[foggy fractal]

😭

nah they need the last judge lowkey

shit I should've used the other last judge sprite hold on

[agile coral]

fouling the last judge and she lowkey detonates half of the court

[topaz inlet]

The fully stood one

[foggy fractal]

exactly

[native vine]

yeah there’s the citadel taking their arts then turning against them (see fourth chorus) and also the bilewater pinstress
interesting that two individuals (snail shaman and pinstress) went to bilewater and ended up dead i wonder if this says anything about the area

bet the rent’s cheap though

[stuck berry]

fourth chorus was for sure sent out to kill her that's why we see her pin in it before the battle

i just now got that

[agile coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1421591521794330687/image0.gif

[stuck berry]

and it reactivates once it sees hornet with the pinstress's cloak upgrade since that's how it recognizes her

[agile coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1421591521794330687/image0.gif

holy shit the writing is fire

[slow olive]

Woah i didnt notice it had a pin in it

[topaz inlet]

I hope the next kingdom mister mushroom goes to isnt fucked up

[native vine]

unfortunately i think he exclusively visits fucked up kingdoms as a pastime

[foggy fractal]

ok here

[agile coral]

thats literally the 1 thing that motherfucker appears for 😭

[slow olive]

It most definitely will be

[edgy barn]

He only goes to fucked up kingdoms

[topaz inlet]

Big ass horns 🥀

[stuck berry]

the stilkin probably thought "hey she helped out the citadel with her abilities the same citadel that fucked up our town we gotta kill her"

[stuck berry]

it's so funny how PV and NKG seemed so tall just a game ago

[agile coral]

i mean the protag is also considerably smaller in the 1st game

[foggy fractal]

yeah that's what I'm saying lmao
everyone has to be taller to compensate for Hornet being taller

[stuck berry]

he heralds kingdoms that are about to undergo either their end or "a great change" both of which happen in both games

[edgy barn]

NKG was never all that tall

[foggy fractal]

compared to the knight though

[stuck berry]

he seemed tall to me

[edgy barn]

I mean then yeah I am mostly comparing him to PV.

[teal drift]

Which hk boss would be the hardest with hornets moveset relative to the knight

[native vine]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-vibe-gif-24179784

“independent thought” stilkin when the person has a .1% chance of being connected to the citadel

[teal drift]

Need the mods to play hk bosses as hornet

[silk dirge]

traitor lord or radiance maybe bc no shade cloak

[teal drift]

Aha makes sense

[silk dirge]

otherwise i think itd be the opposite

i think hornet could easily do hk bosses but not vice versa

[teal drift]

Cloak is also goated vs pv but you can just weave around

[stuck berry]

could hornet with clawline move through absrad's needles

[edgy barn]

Oh yeah Radiance lol. You either equip sharp dart or you are fucked when the light walls come in

[foggy fractal]

here

[stuck berry]

the good old parry maneuver

[topaz inlet]

Now reverse, whick silksong boss would be the hardest with the knights moveset

[teal drift]

Timing sharpdart against lightwalls seems horrifying

[stuck berry]

twice as big

[earnest marsh]

Who's the dude on the left

[teal drift]

Which bosses are hardest for knight yeah

[silk dirge]

a lot

knight would get annihilated by first sinner

[edgy nebula]

that is andy

[teal drift]

I think first sinner is diabolical with jnight

[native vine]

savage beastfly

[silk dirge]

it would not be able to get a single hit

[edgy barn]

Huh, I never realized he was that tall and I fought him like half an hour ago.

[stuck berry]

karmelita without a doubt

[teal drift]

Sprintmaster may be optimal for first sinner lma

Sprintmaster sharp shadow vs first sinner

I need the mods to play as the knight lmfao

[silver spire]

i first tried first sinner, was she supposed to be hard?

[lost reef]

so like, is grimmchild related or something?

[agile coral]

nyleth would blow straight cheeks

[silk dirge]

lost lace would also be impossible as knight

[native vine]

the knight suffers in fights you want air stall in/ranged attacks

[stuck berry]

most people found her mid-act 2 so

[teal drift]

I dont think sinner is hard but for the knight shes too fast

[topaz inlet]

I mean if you really wanna see then do wanderers crest with the gun tool

[earnest marsh]

You should download the lost sinner mod

[stuck berry]

vengeful spirit imo

[topaz inlet]

Mucked beastfly

[lost reef]

unless you can pogo the wave, yeah, it'd be difficult.

[earnest marsh]

Hell nah I've beaten LS, Mucked Beastfly is just hell 😭

[silver spire]

not really? LL is a lot easier than mystic ze'mer

[teal drift]

Lost lace is easy af? Void heart carries?

[native vine]

the issue with that is you get a lot less vs ammo than you do with hornets tools and youre constantly having to close to refill your meter

[silver spire]

and also, DESCENDING DARK MY BELOVED

[tawdry flare]

jngo is truly the picasso of our time...

[edgy barn]

You know it's bad when you have to use it to stall outside speedruns.

[stuck berry]

man imagine healing during half the silksong bosses with ghost's slow ass focus

[silver spire]

imagine having to heal

[teal drift]

Knight probably only takes on damage and uses staggers ig

[native vine]

just use jonis blessing

[teal drift]

The knight against any of those clockwork/gms stall in air attacks lmao

[foggy fractal]

just wait till someone makes a the knight in silksong mod and we'll see

[silver spire]

d e s c e n d i n g d a r k m y b e l o v e d

[gentle aspen]

probably be better in a lot of scenarios

[teal drift]

So excited for pantheon 6 with all silksong bosses added on

[gentle aspen]

Since you won’t lose all your silk upon hit

[solemn hinge]

Chat I need to know if Lace is actually mentally a child or not this shit is pissing me off

[teal drift]

Yes

[topaz inlet]

Someone should mod the knight into silksong and then we can really prove it

[silver spire]

also the knight doesn't get cooked by those stunlock attacks that take one health then another through rapid slashes

[topaz inlet]

She acts like one

[gentle aspen]

she acts like a child

probably a coping mechanism

[native vine]

body of a child and the mind to match is what caretaker says iirc

[teal drift]

I imagine the knight takes one damage cause hornet weak af

[stuck berry]

caretaker says she has the mind of a child and nothing she does really refutes that

[silver spire]

yea exactly

[foggy fractal]

well if you believe the line "One to keep far from she was, least for us mortal sorts. Look of a child and a mind to match, but her's been up wanderin' this Citadel longer'n most. Even in its long silence, way 'fore you came and roused its ire." from Caretaker then yeah

[solemn hinge]

Hmmm…

[edgy barn]

I heard someone call those Dummy Damage and I liked it. It just seems like a petty way of nerfing the dice.

[topaz inlet]

I mean the knight is hollow

[stuck berry]

you gotta remember the knight is a tank and the hornet is more a fragile speedster

[earnest marsh]

Agreed, I see it as she was made to be GMS' child so even when she changes, she still acts like one

Like a mask/facade

[teal drift]

I like that hornet effectively faces 2 harder renditions of watcher knights in HHG and coral tower

[stuck berry]

did you really change your pfp to the image i posted earlier lmao

[topaz inlet]

Speaking if masks, what about the mask makers in both HK and Silksong

Lets compare them

[stuck berry]

one's a spider one's fat

[native vine]

they both make masks

[earnest marsh]

I've had this as my pfp for like at least a week now?

[stuck berry]

guh

[silver spire]

fun fact, did you know that the melody that hornet plays on her needolin during the snared silk ending is just repeated dies irae

[foggy fractal]

should I make one of those height comparison things for Silksong
that'd take like 3 hours straight though but it'd be cool

[stuck berry]

do one for both games

[foggy fractal]

psh someone already did it for the first game

[stuck berry]

or is that already a thing

[foggy fractal]

unless you mean compare everything in both games

which would take like 6 hours

[topaz inlet]

I mean YOU could do it

[foggy fractal]

of course do I want to

[topaz inlet]

It would be cool ngl...

[foggy fractal]

yeah but I don't wanna

[solemn hinge]

I feel like I’ve heard this five times atp

[stuck berry]

you did lost lace melee only architect crest you could do it

[native vine]

silksong is dies irae all the way down its like tortoises

[topaz inlet]

But you would be cool if you did it

[foggy fractal]

that's actually fun though

[silver spire]

literally lol

[foggy fractal]

this would be just copy and pasting like 500 times

[topaz inlet]

Idea compare both mister mushrooms

[silver spire]

GMS's theme is just "what if we just repeated dies irae for the entire piece"

[compact escarp]

Is there any lore about that fay bird on mount fay summit? Heard it despise the pharloom higher ups

[native vine]

no doctor the patient needs dies irae to live

[stuck berry]

mister mushroom is the only recurring element from hollow knight that is unchanged in silksong. this is because he is without flaw

[silver spire]

no, not much

[foggy fractal]

plus there's this already https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/1nuc2p0/full_size_comparison_between_silksong_and_hollow/

isn't every enemy though

[compact escarp]

Anything mentioned its relatioships with the weavers?

[native vine]

it seems generally fickle, since the Weavers note it brings death and insight to them variably as well

[solemn hinge]

I swear he is colored slightly differently but I may be tripping

[silver spire]

i mean the weavers made the climb up mount fay to get some gift from the fayforn

[stuck berry]

hollow knight is darker and less vibrant by comparison that's why you see it differently

[solemn hinge]

Yeah I was tripping

[compact escarp]

Fayforn was her name huh?

[foggy fractal]

everything is more saturated in silksong

[topaz inlet]

Idk still check it

It would be funny to check anyeay

[native vine]

it’s in the faydown cloak description yep

[silver spire]

after playing silksong, hollow knight looks washed out

[stuck berry]

you are in a dead kingdom what were you expecting

[solemn hinge]

Okay it is actually SLIGHTLY different

[topaz inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/rio-tulio-taste-feather-gif-16938454

[silver spire]

like it looks like someone bleached it

[stuck berry]

elaborate?

[foggy fractal]

bardoon is still the biggest living creature though in both games it seems

[glad slate]

the game really wanted me to feel sick in act 3 w/ ts

[solemn hinge]

It is like a shade of difference between the two

[native vine]

its like voltvyrm but dry

[solemn hinge]

It’s most obvious on his lower body

[silver spire]

🔥 TIE EM CROWS UP

[stuck berry]

on my monitor settings i don't see it

the one on the left is from silksong and the one on the right is from hollow knight

i played you for absolute FOOLS

[bronze turret]

Caw caw ca-- HACK

[solemn hinge]

Ngl I may be double tripping

[foggy fractal]

left is silksong right is hollow knight

[bronze turret]

I love that Mr. Mushroom has his own crest!

[solemn hinge]

I want to use a HK pfp but I have no clue what character to do lmao

[stuck berry]

hive knight

[topaz inlet]

Mushroom crest

[native vine]

do you think mister mushroom has been around since the void civilisation

[stuck berry]

yeah why not

[silver spire]

massive moss charger

[bronze turret]

huh, curious, his singing sprites aren't there

[solemn hinge]

Would not be surprised

[stone herald]

No information, but he could be

[stuck berry]

he doesn't sing in hollow knight

[topaz inlet]

I mean most mushrooms irl can grow in the most insane areas i would believe so

[native vine]

i was asking because the quest tablet there looks just like the ones in the abyss

[stuck berry]

there are no cattish characters in hollow knight or silksong which brings me great shame

soul master does not count

[bronze turret]

No, I mean, Andy said the left sheet was from Silksong Mushroom, I imagined it would also account the singing sprites

[stuck berry]

ahh

[topaz inlet]

I heard that dlc gonna be coming to silksong and its gonna be pantheon

Is that just speculation

[solemn hinge]

I swear to god if they add a stupid ending in the pantheon like they did in HK, so help me god

[gentle aspen]

He’s immortal

probably

[bronze turret]

It is, but it's very likely that one of the DLCs are a Pantheon

[stone herald]

I mean surely a boss rush

[gentle aspen]

Speculation

[topaz inlet]

Betttt

[stone herald]

It's practically guaranteed we get a boss rush

[topaz inlet]

I cant wait for double savage beastfly

[stuck berry]

i don't think the inevitable boss refight mode should have to do with the godseekers

[foggy fractal]

what if its evitable though

[stone herald]

Im p sure that's the canon ending for SS too

[stuck berry]

then it'd be a shame i wanna fight first sinner again

[solemn hinge]

Like I’m sorry but DNM was such a good ending and EtV just isn’t, and I would not be happy if that happened to SS

[topaz inlet]

So many bosses like first sinner are so fun

[solemn hinge]

The last 3 are pretty ambiguously likely

[native vine]

if they add a boss rush they’ll almost certainly have to implement something for shards

[foggy fractal]

like 99% chance 1% faith type deal but what if TC just never does a boss rush for some reason
can y'all think of a reason ? besides they just don't feel like it, because it seemed like both them and the fanbase enjoyed bossrushes a ton

[stone herald]

The big kicker to me is that we don't see the hollow knights shade in silksong

[stuck berry]

little rock in the corner that gives 800

[solemn hinge]

We also see Void Given Form and the siblings, tho.

[topaz inlet]

I mean didnt pantheon add new bosses, that would be a first reason, no new boss ideas

[limpid summit]

Genuinely no reason

[solemn hinge]

Both of those are not seen in EtV

[bronze turret]

Maybe not, but it would help tie-in the world building, IMO. The reason why stories with world building feel like a universe is because it doesn't disregard what has been introduced to us before.

[stone herald]

We'd see the hollow knight if it were DNM, in ETV it's still alive

[limpid summit]

Most liked part of the original game and SS has even more variability in how bosses can be fought

[native vine]

infinite shards then? or a one time spawn per rest point like the lifeblood cocoon

[solemn hinge]

We wouldn’t see the Siblings if it was EtV

[foggy fractal]

they have basically never ending ideas, they only released silksong cuz they wanted to get it released, not because they ran out of ideas

[solemn hinge]

It’s very obviously meant to be ambiguous

[stuck berry]

i agree but there comes a point where it feels to much yk? i wouldn't want them to reuse too much it'll make the world feel a lot smaller

[foggy fractal]

and why do we see the siblings and vgform if its ETV ?

[stuck berry]

i'd introduce a rival civilization that are like the godseekers but with different purposes

[topaz inlet]

Well you can also back that up because wasnt silksong originally just a dlc and then they just kept adding shit

[native vine]

because some bosses have gauntlets as precursors maybe
imagine you have to do khanns gauntlet first
though i guess they’d just cut it out given thats what they did with god tamer

[foggy fractal]

yeah

[stuck berry]

i'd like it to be infinite but it's not happening 😔

[bronze turret]

That too, but they can strike a balance between new and established. This is just the second game, who knows if there will be more in the future.

[topaz inlet]

Alr betttt, sherma bossfight when

[foggy fractal]

2 days

[solemn hinge]

How about a set amount per boss/pantheon?

[native vine]

if it was infinite it would be busted everyone would run architects

[stone herald]

Once the radiance is dealt with the siblings presumably still return to the void, or the knight goes and gathers them up

[stuck berry]

you beat him around like zote but instead of it being funny it's just sad

[bronze turret]

Fari doo la see this fist upclose!

[stone herald]

Once the knight kills the radiance in ETV, they'd probably want to save their siblings from their cruel fate

[gentle aspen]

No it wouldn’t

That goes against the first game

[topaz inlet]

Better idea sherma summons last judge because something somethinf about being pure of heart

[bronze turret]

Ah. Well...

[gentle aspen]

All the godseekers are in one body and they’re either in the dream realm and physically dead or locked in a coffin in hallownest

[native vine]

sherma as a summoner boss he does his song and william pellen comes in from the background and kills you to death

[topaz inlet]

And last judge protects him

[solemn hinge]

THK not being in the ending is not proof at all tho

Just because it isn’t there doesn’t mean it is alive

[stone herald]

It's not proof, but it makes it more likely to be ETV

[foggy fractal]

not really

[solemn hinge]

Yeah not really

[foggy fractal]

if we were to try to confirm one ending we'd have to say hypotheticals regardless

[stuck berry]

i keep forgetting that godseeker straight up dies in one of the potential canon endings because it's locked between a bitch ass pantheon 5 thank you team cherry i love you

[solemn hinge]

Regardless, EtV is kind of a shitty ending and I hope Silksong doesn’t get done dirty like HK did there

[stone herald]

THK could just be hiding in the middle of the crowd or something, but that's a lil awkward, and its probably closer to her than the other random vessels are at least

[native vine]

maybe thk had an appointment at the time and couldnt make it

[stone herald]

Ehh I don't think it could lore wise, in HK your goal is only really to murder the radiance, which can be done in dreams

In SS, you can't really save pharloom without directly being in it

[stone herald]

Getting that crack sealed?

[solemn hinge]

Sure, yeah, but my point is just that in EtV you do everything in the least satisfying way possible, then somehow get a better ending

Like fuck off with that

[foggy fractal]

if its DNM ? thk could've been elsewhere
if its ETV ? the knight can choose to stay in vgform form
etc etc
both endings we'd have to just stay stuff not explicitly confirmed to us, its meant to be ambigious

[stone herald]

For now, at least

[flint wadi]

hopefully forever

[stuck berry]

we are not getting answers to thk's whereabouts be fr

[flint wadi]

sorry thk dlc

[stone herald]

Nah I'm coping, idk why the dlc would have the hollow knight show up

[stone herald]

THK shows up in zoteboat as the map NPC

[whole marsh]

Here’s an idea. The reason the flys were exiled to The Slab was due to the citadel discovering that Chef Lugoli (who is also a fly) was a canabal, and probably fed sapient bugs to citadel citizens without them knowing. He (and the fly chefs that worked under him) escaped capture while all the other flys were permanently exiled to The Slab.

[solemn hinge]

I pray every day they make DNM the one that leads into Silksong

[flint wadi]

idc if im miserable silksong already screwed up enough things i dont want it rubbing off hk by singling out the DLC ENDING

[solemn hinge]

Sorry EtV enjoyers but it’s just hype moments and aura 😭

[stone herald]

I pray every day that they make ETV the one that leads into silksong, our prayers are cancelling out

[solemn hinge]

Like what

[silk dirge]

do people here not understand the concept of ambiguous endings lol

[native vine]

isnt it punishment for a sin long forgotten which would mean lugoli would have had to have lived for a very very long time

[stone herald]

I get that they exist but I lean towards one possibility, and it's not impossible it gets narrowed in the future

[limpid summit]

lugoli is as old as the heart bosses

[solemn hinge]

I haven’t actually played Silksong myself but I watched my friend play quite a majority of the game, and I didn’t really pick up on anything it screwed up

[stone herald]

Probably talking about some areas with annoying level design

[silk dirge]

bilewater hate is banished from our holy citadel

[flint wadi]

sabotaged its own world building, threw away a cool premise for a retreading and many other tiny things i dont feel like picking apart

[solemn hinge]

Uhhh nah go into more detail

[stone herald]

Sabotaged its own world building?

[flint wadi]

dont feel like

[silk dirge]

thats a new one

[flint wadi]

wait till starpengu gets here

[native vine]

how do we know this

[solemn hinge]

Nah nah we fighting

[stuck berry]

in what way? it's not like it directly contradicted anything we knew from the first game

[silk dirge]

starpengu doesnt hate the worldbuilding lol

[whole marsh]

I’d describe the “retcons” as more puzzle pieces that mostly fit, but if you look closely, they don’t fit 100%. But fit enough for it to not feel like an outright contradiction.

[fathom hill]

ship discourse again yipee

[flint wadi]

they do hate what tc has done to pharloom

[silk dirge]

she separates the lore from worldbuilding

[solemn hinge]

Dawg that was 3 hours ago

[vestal swan]

31 but why

[silk dirge]

not a whole lot

[willow epoch]

lace is not a child in age, just forced into the role of one by her Weird obsessive mother...

[silk dirge]

she doesnt despise sands of karak

[fathom hill]

internet explorer ass

[willow epoch]

in silksong is it accurate to say "the hallownest has fallen". or

@vestal swan Block?

[stuck berry]

did you know them

[fathom hill]

why does discord do this to me

[vestal swan]

Lace is still a child

[foggy fractal]

It is meant as an insult, like "you're so old, go do something more productive."

[willow epoch]

are you sure

[dire lynx]

shes a 1000 year old elf ahh argument

[stuck berry]

lace never aged and is said to still have the mind of a child

[vestal swan]

Hunters journal for lost lace still calls her one

[willow epoch]

this is terrifying. thank you

[silk dirge]

anyways lore is something you can screw up and not care about bc its style and gameplay is substance

[willow epoch]

this is why i fw shawkra

[vestal swan]

Shakra is cool

[silk dirge]

that being said the lore is cool

[dire lynx]

The real ones know hornet is aromantic 💯

[foggy fractal]

yeah Caretaker comments on how Lace has been around in a while, she's not a child in age
he also says that she has a body and mind of a child

[flint wadi]

thats true but it will always rub me the wrong way how this game misses in lore

[willow epoch]

this means she can still freak it insane style