sk-lore

[atomic dirge]

whoa, i thought that was the cradle

[spring escarp]

And lace and phantom are also mad eby GMS

[craggy bison]

the cradle is part of it

[spring escarp]

Hence uncles

[winter iris]

GMS has such an epic entrance, that was pure aura.

[pine pecan]

Here is something interesting I found... Lace, Phantom and Eva

[honest anvil]

unknown. the sprintmaster himself probably isn't the sprintmaster from the sprintmaster charm, but there's a chance that the sprintmaster charm is referencing the sprintmaster's master, who used to be the sprintmaster
if you followed that

[atomic dirge]

By technicality

All weavers are ""daughters"" of GMS, as are Lace and Phantom

And the only offspring of a Weaver that we know of is Hornet

[craggy bison]

exactly lace and phantom aren't siblings of grandma silk

they're her attempts at making children

[honest anvil]

lace and phantom are not aunt or [redacted]s of hornet in anything but the most loose of terms

[atomic dirge]

Yeah its more of a joke than anything

[pine pecan]

Lace, Phantom <- GMS -> Weavers -> Hornet

[craggy bison]

wait i get it now i'm stupid

[true urchin]

So by the current lore, all spiders or “weavers” originated from Pharloom?

[honest anvil]

but no they're correct that the relation would be uncle in this scenario. grand mother silk is the mother of the weavers, lace and phantom, making them all siblings. thus, the child of a weaver would be the niece of lace and the granddaughter of silk. but again they're not

[atomic dirge]

Yea

[craggy bison]

yeah

[honest anvil]

all weavers originate from pharloom, not all spiders

[cedar skiff]

"Hide her deep, the despised child, our shame shown in shell of iron. She is a wish cast vain, divinity mimicked in form too frail."
interesting how the weavers talk about eva like gms seems to feel about phantom lmfao

[pine pecan]

GMS turned the Pharlids into Weavers

[honest anvil]

spiders come in many different shapes and sizes. weavers are just a very cool version of spider

[atomic dirge]

Theyre mutated Pharlids that GMS infused with Silk to make them Weavers and convinced them she created them rather than mutating them

[spring escarp]

What if a pharlid and a weaver mate?

[craggy bison]

the universe would explode

[honest anvil]

unsure! weavers struggle to have children for some reason but i imagine a pharlid is one of the most compatible targets genetically

[spring escarp]

exactly

[pine pecan]

Then it becomes difused, the cages kept track of the weaver heritage

[atomic dirge]

Ive heard its meant to be a curse or smth?

[spring escarp]

bestiality is clearly the solution

[pine pecan]

bugstiality

[honest anvil]

"I am unique, you see. My mothers shared the curse of their tribe, to conceive a child is a painful, near impossible task.
Hornet: I know the curse well, Eva, for I am also its victim, and spawn of one who managed to overcome its limits."

[spring escarp]

Or maybe it is easy but the result is dumber

And not worth it

Like a human chimp hybrid

[honest anvil]

i. i don't think that's easy

[atomic dirge]

GMS said no to procreating

[spring escarp]

I mean in game logic

Where different species can mate

[atomic dirge]

Im gonna assume the limit was broken because Herrah's mate was a pale being

[spring escarp]

Herrah coveted the pale king seed

[atomic dirge]

pale king ex machina

[spring escarp]

Because he was more powerful i think

So she could have a higher dsughter rather than lower.

[cedar skiff]

"I am unique, you see. My mothers shared the curse of their tribe, to conceive a child is a painful, near impossible task." (eva)

[true urchin]

Is there a specific design difference between the two? Or in game example..

I been making a spider themed OC, but wanted them to specifically be a spider not a weaver. But don’t know much about the difference between the two?

[spring escarp]

spiders are stupid beasts

[honest anvil]

look at stuff like the stalking devout and the deepling/deephunter from deepnest. those are spiders, and presumably not weavers

[spring escarp]

Weavers are smart

[atomic dirge]

Weavers are spiders who can produce silk in their own shells

[wild falcon]

Apparently GMS wasn't in the mood for talking either

[spring escarp]

I think the spiders can make silk too

[atomic dirge]

Probably silk but not Silk

[spring escarp]

fair

[wild falcon]

More like web

[atomic dirge]

Like. normal silk and Not the Big Fucking Important Thing Silk

[spring escarp]

????

[coral wren]

Is green prince the top or the bottom

[spring escarp]

Why would there be a difference

[wild falcon]

Situational

[honest anvil]

we don't really know much about spiders but we do know that they are a thing. pharlids are arachnids

[coral wren]

So hes a switch?

[honest anvil]

they swap sides during the dance, green prince is the one with a physical form who isn't a spirit

that's what you mean, right?

[atomic dirge]

Silk is known to be like, really powerful, extending bugs' life

Im assuming normal spiders like the ones in deepnest just create a generic web

[edgy barn]

silk is just the normal stuff, Silk is made from Soul and has magical properties

[honest anvil]

silk vs magic Silk is likely an important distinction yes

[spring escarp]

maybe it is just silk + soul

[wild falcon]

White one isn't a spirit, it is a lover who green prince can't remember. That's why he doesn't have a voice or form

[spring escarp]

And a more evolved being ahs soul

stupid being have less soul?

[atomic dirge]

GMS, Weavers, Hornet being able to create Silk

[true urchin]

((Does a quick search)) Ah, so spiders are more animalistic in design while Weavers are more humanoid. Least of the examples we have.

[spring escarp]

yes

Maybe smart spiders exist that aren't weavers

[wild falcon]

Silk is the embodiment of Weaver soul

[spring escarp]

But we don't see them.

[honest anvil]

i mean it seems like non-weaver spiders are intelligent in the same way as most of the hollow knight universe bugs, they're just not weaver smart

[spring escarp]

Perhaps GMS is a smart spider that evolved naturally?

She produces silk right?

[atomic dirge]

GMS is a pale being i believe

[wild falcon]

Probably got intelligence from pale king

[spring escarp]

A pale spider I mean

[honest anvil]

she doesn't look very spider-like

[spring escarp]

I agree

[wild falcon]

She is stated to be higher being, but pale status is exclusive to Lady and wyrm

[spring escarp]

But she has silk so...

[honest anvil]

silkworm. hold on, silkwyrm? cooking?

[true urchin]

I thought Silk was a higher being like in Hollow Knight?

[spring escarp]

MAYBE

[coral wren]

How far away is pharloom from hollownest

[atomic dirge]

P sure someone refers to her as pale

[spring escarp]

Big brain

[atomic dirge]

Or maybe its just Hornet talking about Lace being white or smth idk

[honest anvil]

she's a pale being, yes. explicitly stated

[spring escarp]

maybe she choose arachnids because of the shared silk

[honest anvil]

the pale monarch

[spring escarp]

Kindred spirits

[winter iris]

Waiting for the inevitable video:
"Can I 100% Silksong and still get a refund?"

[spring escarp]

Probably

[atomic dirge]

Doubt

[wild falcon]

You can finish the game under 2 hours, just not 100%

[pine pecan]

Non Sequiter, but I notice that every time a Haunted bug is killed, a white moth thing flies away from them. Same type of white moth that frees hornet in the beginning.

[winter iris]

I guess one can beat Silksong and get a refund, but not 100% it.

[honest anvil]

glitched runs eventually probably
this isn't lore though

[coral wren]

Are all bugs in pharloom gay

[winter iris]

there was such a video for HK tho.

[spring escarp]

yes

[honest anvil]

no, most are bisexual

[coral wren]

Poggers

[wild falcon]

Are you sure that's not just silk threads?

[winter iris]

This is not #sk-discussion ?

[spring escarp]

It is because of the silk, the silk making the frogs gay

[winter iris]

Oh, my bad.

[pine pecan]

Yes for sure for sure, ill try to get a video

[wild falcon]

Also white moths are the ones that lace is playing with in deep docks

[coral wren]

Cuz theres hornet and lace, zaza and Gorman, green prince and his husband

[honest anvil]

i've never noticed the white butterflies (?) coming from dead enemies but i'd believe it

[honest anvil]

zaza is like. a horse. or a dog

[spring escarp]

real

Is garmond from the surface village?

[wild falcon]

Actually, she has an intelligence enough to talk

[atomic dirge]

Vespa being the one to train Hornet makes Hive Knight look like even more of a jobber

[coral wren]

They're all bugs

[spring escarp]

No

The wishboard didn't come from zaza

[wild falcon]

Play needolin while following zaza in hero call or smth like that

[honest anvil]

are you sure about that he's never said anything and also is a boy

[spring escarp]

zaza smokes weed

[wild falcon]

She'll say you to hurry up, something wrong with garmond

[atomic dirge]

Thats the thoughts im p sure

[edgy barn]

No, his village fell to the haunting and we now GMS's influence does not reach the surface.

[spring escarp]

A lot of dumb bugs sing under the needolin tho hm

[coral wren]

Zaza thinks in bug language

[wild falcon]

Needolin isn't dream nail

[atomic dirge]

Oh wait its not dream nail im fucking stupid

[honest anvil]

i can needolin a corpse and hear dialogue. that's a dead body it can't talk

[winter iris]

Why is the surface barren?

[spring escarp]

The haunting doesn't need to affect his village for garmond to hate gms

[winter iris]

What happened?

[spring escarp]

His village would have be unmade by her influence indirectly

[coral wren]

So he has the mentality enough to speak if he doesn't have the physical ability to

[honest anvil]

it doesn't but his village was explicitly hit by the haunting, he says as much when you meet him

[winter iris]

There is a nameless town, destroyed in the surface.
What really happened?

[pine pecan]

Ok, so its not every time, but it is fairly often

[spring escarp]

his villahe might have moved dosn

hence not reason to extend threads up

[atomic dirge]

Like mf you trained the best warrior of Hallownest and your line of defense is some guy whose best form of defense is puking bees

[honest anvil]

"The fearsome haunting of thread, it overcame our fair folk... We are all that remain, left to carry their memory, and the hope to see some justice paid."

[spring escarp]

And then they got lured to the haunting

[spring escarp]

I am saying the tale of riches might have made allt eh bugs move

ans fhen fall for tha hauting

[wild falcon]

This wasn't explained by lore and looks like a weird dream nail cameo. Needs explanation from devs

[spring escarp]

Look how tbe memento and the village houzes look like garmond head

[atomic dirge]

wait

[honest anvil]

i can needolin empty air and hear random spirits talk sometimes

[atomic dirge]

Youre saying Nameless Town might be Garmond's hometown?

[spring escarp]

Yes

[coral wren]

How did TC manage to make a hot bug

[spring escarp]

they did it in HK

[honest anvil]

that seems unlikely, given all we know about nameless town is that it is completely free of the haunting

[spring escarp]

the map lady

[wild falcon]

Personality

[spring escarp]

Also abandoned because of pharloom tho

The bugs moved down

[honest anvil]

do we know that? i don't think we know what the deal with the nameless town is

[coral wren]

I love green prince

[spring escarp]

Garmond might have been the last to leave

[honest anvil]

it's possible, sure, but we have no idea

[spring escarp]

I agree

But kinda fits imo

[edgy barn]

Come on you are just coping at this point. Both Garmond's dialogue and the description for his memento state that his village was lost to the haunting, while the journal confirms te surface is free of the haunting. Both villages also have very different mementos.

[coral wren]

Final boss of pantheon of pharloom should be Found Lace

[spring escarp]

he might have been lost for the hauting ebcause everyone that move out fell to the hauting shortly afterwards

Anyone recognizes this sinnouete? Might be a clue

Also the town has silk in it

Where the memento fall

Perhaps it is free of silk now

[wild falcon]

Imagine if gms makes a comeback as hardest boss in the form of void mother

[spring escarp]

But wasn't during the fall

[coral wren]

Wait i just realized silksong is a woke dei game
The final boss is a black women
/s

[edgy barn]

If the two villages are the same, why two mementos?

[spring escarp]

Because everyone moved

[honest anvil]

oh yeah no that almost confirms it. garmond's village's memento is not the surface memento. those two seem to be different things

[spring escarp]

explain

[honest anvil]

"Worn ornament of the Nameless Town high above Pharloom." vs "Heirloom of a village lost to Pharloom's Haunting." for the two villages

[coral wren]

It also has gay men

[spring escarp]

Why not

[wild falcon]

She is evil because she is black, and by whitening her we make her normal. So it is racist game

[coral wren]

True
And you kill the gay man

[spring escarp]

Just like the first one where we have a white supremacist king

[edgy barn]

You get a memento for beating Lost Garmond, which comes from his village, and another from the surface village. If they are te same, why not make it all just one quest?

[spring escarp]

That is a hero

[honest anvil]

i think this is just the bug to the right, no? the corpse you can see most of in the thumbnail?

[spring escarp]

Well he doesn't show up in the village

[spring escarp]

sec

Is this a bug? Idk?

[honest anvil]

it's an interesting idea but you are kind of coping here. it's unlikely, but not impossible. but very unlikely

[spring escarp]

I'd say 30%

[honest anvil]

this thing is definitely a dead bug

[spring escarp]

Yeah...

there is silk in the village right there tho

[edgy barn]

That's my point. If TC intended for Garmond's village to be the Nameless Town, why not make it all part of a single quest?

[spring escarp]

Just saying

[honest anvil]

i am not sure if that's Silk or if it's just like cobwebs from real spider

[wild falcon]

We need lore expansions, too much unanswered questions. Also lifeblood lore would be neat

[spring escarp]

Idk why make it a quest, perhaps they want we to put the pieces together ourselves too

[spring escarp]

Well cobwebs are made of silk

But could be pharlid silk

But we see no pharlid around...

[wild falcon]

When we say Silk, we mean the magic one. The embodiment of weaver's soul

[winter iris]

I hope we get some info in the future, of why the surface is barren.

[spring escarp]

Just the roach looking things

[spring escarp]

Every surface depiction we have in the ahme is barren... land of storms, hallownest howling cliffs, pharlooms surface

Always night, always windy...

There are bugs in there though so not quite barren

[winter iris]

The bugs that roach around in the surface, they look like the usual intelligent bugs in HK.
But they are not "ascended", not awakened, they act like the usual IRL bugs.

[spring escarp]

And villages

[spring escarp]

the roaches are passive too

Makes you think

[winter iris]

PK truly made some of these intelligent to create Hallownest.

[edgy barn]

That could be because Hornet is too big to be prey.

[spring escarp]

I heard some theories that the intelligence thing isn't quite what pale beinfs and masks do

That they kind just awaken them and give focus

Like waking up

Instead of just being smart but going through the motions.

[honest anvil]

that's entirely plausible yeah
we don't understand what unmasked bugs are actually like

[edgy barn]

I suppose this is meant to explain why the big kingdoms like Hallownest and Pharloom are underground

[spring escarp]

Pharloom is entirely undergroudn bur hallownest has a size a sizeable portion outside.

[wild falcon]

I think devs decided to reference insect "kingdoms" for their universe. Like how many insect kingdoms irl are built underground, and only bee-like insects make them above ground (as far as my knowledge goes)

[spring escarp]

Weirdly they put the hives of these underground anyway

[honest anvil]

bees make them above ground by building a little house so they can pretend they're underground

[spring escarp]

While keeping the stag nest on top

Are underground bees a thing

[heavy falcon]

What do the ruined chapel tablets contain? I'm not sure I understand the text

[wild falcon]

Some wasp species do live underground tho, Asian ones at least. And HK clumps bees, wasps, bumblebees into one category

[spring escarp]

yeah like hornet isn't even a bee like thing

[honest anvil]

fantastic question i wish i knew. i'm not sure it means anything we can understand right now

[spring escarp]

What the tablets say

[wild falcon]

Weirdly enough, we don't have irl hornet species represented in HK

[spring escarp]

Yet we have corvids

[heavy falcon]

Maybe they're rituals? They have specific numbers so I assume there alluding to a recipe/tutorial, seeing as they're fucking Magicians, I'm leaning into ritual texts

[edgy barn]

The craw act like birds but if you look closely they are still bugs

[heavy falcon]

They remind me of deep docks text which I think is a schedule

[wild falcon]

Snail shamans is the black spot in the lore, one of many. Some even think they are descendants from ancient civilizations that used void

[spring escarp]

Yeah some say it with a lot of conviction

(last 20 minutes)

[honest anvil]

it's a possible theory, for sure. i can't disprove it

[heavy falcon]

Really interesting species. We know so little of them, we just know theyre shamans. Perhaps their slow sedentary life allowed them to meditate and focus soul?

[craggy bison]

it would be cool if there was a unique interaction when you use cross stitch on lace

[spring escarp]

We know that they are probably tainted by the void yet they seem fine

Which is most interesting indeed

[honest anvil]

what why do we know that. what does that mean

[spring escarp]

Well they are all balkc ajd drippy

[heavy falcon]

where is this info found in game?

[spring escarp]

when we bind the one in the laboratory in soul master

[honest anvil]

they are snails. snails are pretty gooey

[spring escarp]

He becomes a lot of black goo

They dabble sith void magic and spells a lot

In both games

I think it all indicates they have at least a little of void in their system

[wild falcon]

So black is their actual body. I thought that this is a sort of shadow or their shaman clothing

[spring escarp]

Maybe microdosing

[honest anvil]

they're like the same colour as hornet that doesn't mean anything necessarily

[grand kayak]

I feel like if garmonds village was the nameless town it wouldnt make much sense for us to find him climbing upwards towards the citadel when his town is already above the citadel

[spring escarp]

if you find the shaman corpses and bind them in the game you get void infused spells spells

[honest anvil]

there's nothing to indicate they're void creatures. they know about the void, and find its power alluring, but that doesn't mean it's, like, part of their being

[heavy falcon]

Oh right the void spells

[spring escarp]

i didn't say they are void creatures

[honest anvil]

the spells are void infused because we're all void-y

[spring escarp]

I am sayng they are void tainted

[light saddle]

Are you talking about in HK? The snail shaman tells us we fused the spell with our own essence.

[grand kayak]

there are also just black snails

[rancid condor]

The weird thing is also that snail shamans distinctly lack a mask

[spring escarp]

trueee....

[grand kayak]

but also a lot of bugs just seem to be black

[edgy barn]

It's weird because the main Snail Shaman in the first HK explicitly does not know about te abyss, and states Shade Soul is the result of the knight infusing the spell with its own essence

[wild falcon]

Worst day of American cop

[grand kayak]

like hornet has black skin and shes not void

[light saddle]

Yeeeah. A lot of people suspect a retcon is at work

[spring escarp]

Ok I guess my evidence is flimsiee but i think the game is trying to clue in they have some void... why would they make snails black

[honest anvil]

the snail shamans are not one entity maybe that one dude doesn't know jack shit

[spring escarp]

Snails aren't black

[flat fog]

most bugs do if you actually look at them all

[wild falcon]

Or maybe he just never knew it. He is charged to protect his place forever

[spring escarp]

And they are goey but like a transparent slime

Not black droplets

[light saddle]

That’s the only way I can justify it. If the snail shamans in one area didn’t dabble with void, while another group did.

[grand kayak]

I mean they can be. I literally posted a pick of one like two seconds ago

[honest anvil]

snail shaman in hk could also be lying, or could be stupid and just doesn't realise it, or maybe he doesn't have enough info....

[spring escarp]

fuck

Idk man

[flat fog]

didnt the snail shaman in hk never leave the ancestral mound?

[spring escarp]

Impossible to say anything for sur eon team sherry lore

[flat fog]

so like, could just be clueless

[lime nova]

Just noticed that while Phantom plays at the organ, her mask is off. Makes me wonder if Lace has a black mask or if that's her face

[grand kayak]

maybe the living snail shaman in hk was just a scrub loser wizard and didnt get to the void parts yet

[honest anvil]

maybe he forgor

[wild falcon]

He did said that he is in charge of this place and won't leave

[spring escarp]

In the first game, did we know the shamans to he involved in the lore?

[light saddle]

The shaman was still familiar with the abilities of his kin, though. He’d tell you the different abilities of his family members, so he would know if we messed with something.

[spring escarp]

Witht he void*

Cause in the second I wasn't surprised they did the void spell thing

[flat fog]

yeah so im pretty sure he wouldve rarely interacted with other shamans

[honest anvil]

i can tell you that my uncle knows how to do brain surgery doesn't mean i know how a brain works

[spring escarp]

So it seems to point out my suspicions weren't misplaced

[light saddle]

Maybe shamans in general are scrub loser wizards

[grand kayak]

idk I mean the ones in silksong did some impressive magic

they did kill god

[spring escarp]

ye

[grand kayak]

and summon the delicate flower from memory

[light saddle]

Ik, he just has a goofy voice befitting a wizard

[heavy falcon]

Idk man they manifested a flower, sounds pretty op ngl

[wild falcon]

Do we know what shaman at songclave was doing before we became the bellringer?

[edgy barn]

Yeah but he does know about the other shamans and what abilities they possess

[flat fog]

hiding pretty sure

[grand kayak]

they also seemingly died from that. Or maybe those tricksy assholes just left

[flat fog]

shrine was the only safe place in the whole citadel

[wild falcon]

Snails aren't slugs, they can't live without their shell

[heavy falcon]

Right I actually wanted to ask that. They fucking died?? I just finished that segment and that caught me off guard.

[wild falcon]

Probably used their soul power alongside hearts to cast an incantation

They were probably discussing this with each other before agreeing with hornet on memory plans

[spring escarp]

Come on the snail shaman turn in a bunch of BLACK BUBBLES and give you a VOID SPELL, sure the knight boudn it with their essence but... come on

[wild falcon]

Like are they ready to die for this

[flat fog]

mossbag has made a video on this actually lmao

[spring escarp]

Is this supposed to be just a bunch of snail meat gore floating around

[spring escarp]

link?

[flat fog]

unfortunately theres no real way to know if they are directly connected to void or not because snail shaman lore is quite little

[flat fog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6f-k0ZCEkw

[honest anvil]

yeah the answer is a very solid "literally no clue. maybe!"

[spring escarp]

in silksong we have more susbtantiated clues tho

[edgy barn]

Snail Shamans in Hollow Knight: grant powerful spells and charms that aid the Knight.
Snail Shamans in Silksong: Nearly destroy all of Pharloom by witholding vital information from Hornet, sit around as she risks her life fixing their mess, and die creating a flower that can't even survive two void trips

[honest anvil]

silksong did not solve the problem it mostly just made the snail shamans scarier

[flat fog]

yeah silksong added info, but it didnt answer many questions lmao

[spring escarp]

I think we know they are conemcted to void stuff at the very least

[flat fog]

we know some may interact with void

[spring escarp]

I just suspect they kinda mixed with it a bit

[wild falcon]

Singular live snail shaman was literally sitting at one place whole game instead of doing something

[flat fog]

but the one in mound doesnt know anything about void

[spring escarp]

?

???? How so

[wild falcon]

It seems like doing nothing is just the snail thing, they are slow and lazy

[honest anvil]

things added to the docket:
they know what void is
'you should have suspected this' about the trap being void-related
they know way too much about pale beings and weavers and the old ones

[spring escarp]

they are black and drippy and turn into weird black blon things when they die

[honest anvil]

but hornet also says that their kind is like. infatuated with power, or whatever. that they'll be sad when the land is bereft of it

[flat fog]

when you get the void spells the one in mound says its from like a dark place few would even think of going or something like that

[spring escarp]

then he recognizes the void stuff

he just isn't explicit about it

[flat fog]

i mean yeah but i dont think he knows much about void

its all interpretations

because snail shamans as a whole arent explicit

[honest anvil]

"That scream? Ooohh, distorted in such a way... It's not within the skills of us snails to do such a thing.

Wherever you draw this new power from, it's not a place my kind ever thought to look. "

[spring escarp]

Maybe void is snail and the void sea is just all the snails turned into paste

clearly

[edgy barn]

No, when you get Abyss Shriek he states that the Knight must have gotten it from a place his kind never went to.

[spring escarp]

fuck

[grand kayak]

Tbf abyss shriek is also the only void spell we dont get from a snail shamans dead body

[wild falcon]

It is almost like "where the hell did you found this thing"

[spring escarp]

then the abyss civilization can't be snails

[sinful nimbus]

No he doesn't

[spring escarp]

If their kind didn't come from it

[edgy barn]

The only void spell he recognizes is Descending Dark.

[sinful nimbus]

He recognizes TK's own essence he doesn't actually know what it is

[spring escarp]

Maybe it is just the bowl bugs

Yet they do void stuff in the second game.... so confusing

[flat fog]

snail shamans are an ancient culture, thats pretty much stated through charms in hk

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah its a pretty clear retcon

Oh well

[flat fog]

its likely that some interacted with void, while others probably didnt

[spring escarp]

Maybe the shamans as they are kinda forgot details of the void

Like post apoliptic

But their ancestors were more intimate?

[edgy barn]

That one is from his aunt at crystal mound, maybe she did know about Void but kept the info to herself?

[honest anvil]

i mean it could also be that either the snail shamans of pharloom know more than he does or that they literally learned it after snail shaman said that. we don't know how long it's been since hollow knight

there are plenty of explanations that fit

[spring escarp]

Well, they said hornet should expect they messing with void

So it should eb common knowledge...

But maybe it is recent knwoledge yeah...

[wild falcon]

I wonder how three soul stones and a snare result in GMS ending up in the void

[spring escarp]

Maybe the one snail shaman in HK spread the word of how awesome void is around.

[wild falcon]

Do you think she dies later in the void?

[spring escarp]

After one positive experience

[honest anvil]

gms is like soooo dead

[flat fog]

perhaps if the godhome ending where hallownest is devoured by the void is the canon one, then maybe the snail shamans learned much more of void after that

we still dont know which ending is directly canon

[edgy barn]

The soul power of the shamans creates a portal to the abyss. The snare forces her into the portal and prevents her from being able to move until is too late.

[flat fog]

other than its most likely one of the godhome endings

[sinful nimbus]

That is not what happens in ETV

[spring escarp]

the void wasn't a secret in hallownest though

We had void constructs walking around

[honest anvil]

it wasn't exactly public knowledge the abyss was literally sealed off

[spring escarp]

kingsmoulds

The collector

[wild falcon]

We have a glimpse of shadow lord, I'm pretty sure it is enough to consider shadow lord absolute canon

[sinful nimbus]

Seeing kingsmoulds doesn't mean you know what void is

[honest anvil]

yeah they're void constructs but they're also weird pale king magic so most people don't know what the hell they're made of

[spring escarp]

truee... they could just be creeps

[sinful nimbus]

Heck the two other people who see Collector are like "What the heck is this?"

[edgy barn]

I really doubt PK was going around explaining what those were made out of.

[tawdry flare]

It is both DNM and ETV

[spring escarp]

I mean the collector owner got tainted by void

Maybe he didn't know better.

[flat fog]

collector was the only void being that was seen outside of WP before the infection spread though

[spring escarp]

Because it wasn't common knowledge

[honest anvil]

the collector is probably a void being

[spring escarp]

in game

[hushed viper]

what determines a bug going to the slab and which ones go work in the underworks??

[spring escarp]

it is defiently a vois being, we see his mould.

In the abyss/white palace, either of these

[wild falcon]

Interesting concept, life made entirely of void, like lace is made of silk

[uncut holly]

The Collector is very likely a Kingsmould. Possibly given to the Tower of Love guy to help preserve creatures from the infection, then went insane

[hushed viper]

are the bugs in the underworks a special types of bugs on their own or are they just people who did crimes??

[flat fog]

i think the ones in underworks are pilgrims

[spring escarp]

Yeah, maybe he just ditched the armor

[honest anvil]

that is quite likely yes but maybe he just has a really weirdly shaped bed (he is almost certainly a void creature)

[uncut holly]

Lurien might also be involved with the Tower of Love preservation in some way

[wild falcon]

They are worker class bugs I think. Like how all flies are exclusively jailers

[spring escarp]

Why is the collector so much atronger than a regular kingsmould tho

[honest anvil]

built different

[hushed viper]

but are the people in the citadel themselves not pilgrims? most them are just pilgrims but with white cloaks s

[flat fog]

they are also pilgrims

[spring escarp]

lmao, most ergonomic bed ever

[edgy barn]

The mould in the white palace is for the kingsmould, not the collector specifically. The collector might be a rogue/failed kingsmould tho.

[spring escarp]

there is another

[uncut holly]

Underworks is Pilgrims and the Servants are Pilgrims, we dont really see any chior Pilgrims or higher up Pilgrims

[honest anvil]

most things that drop rosaries are pilgrims, you can just be like, a cool pilgrim with a job

[wild falcon]

Piligrims are the ones with white cape in citadel

[spring escarp]

In the abyss after the lake

[hushed viper]

yea but what determines from a bug in lets say the choir and which ones are workers, are not all (innocent) members of the citadel not workers?

[flat fog]

id guess that the last judge decides

[uncut holly]

None of the pilgrims seem to be higher class in the Citadel

[honest anvil]

maybe the choir are just better singers

[hushed viper]

yea that's that, they're pilgrims that has reached the citadel but like then who are the people in the underworks?

[wild falcon]

Probably just racism

[flat fog]

if they deserve to go to the citadel, or go to the underworks

[craggy bison]

why doesn't hornet have foresight

[spring escarp]

It is so weird how bugs in team cherry games will make robots with everything but eletricity

[hushed viper]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[spring escarp]

Which voltsnest prove exists in game

[honest anvil]

she's stupid
but also maybe she does. maybe that's what deaths are, she sees the future and how she would die. or maybe she just doesn't have that gene

[craggy bison]

WAIT

[wild falcon]

I think they were working on this technology, they developed thunder spear after all (voltvessel)

[spring escarp]

Then why the knight does literally the same thing

[flat fog]

voltnest is probably a different kind of electricity compared to the type used to power machines

[craggy bison]

that's an absolute fire idea

[honest anvil]

who made the knight

[hushed viper]

me

[spring escarp]

what the fuck this even means.

[spring escarp]

fine

[uncut holly]

The machines are powered by Soul and Silk, they deliberately put the Silk Flies in them after they extract them from a person to animate them

[edgy barn]

Probably birth. The citadel has a tendecy for those systems.

[spring escarp]

he is a baby corpse after all

[wild falcon]

I think that her immortality is the wyrm thing, similar to knight

[flat fog]

its electricity from the terrain and creatures, that probably cant power a machine

[hushed viper]

it means that the electricity it creates is most likely too high voltage to use in machines

[honest anvil]

i mean her immortality is definitely from her heritage yes

[flat fog]

idk how electricity works

[uncut holly]

We know the Automatons are powered by Silk and peoples souls extracted

[spring escarp]

Yeah but i mean our eletricity was that way too

[hushed viper]

and a (single) lumafly for some reason

[honest anvil]

all electricity is electricity you just need to be able to harness it somehow

[spring escarp]

Before we made computers and stuff

[uncut holly]

The white fly that lands on Hornets cage that also appear throughout the games are the extracted Souls of bugs.

[spring escarp]

cyberpunk dlc for silksong?

[uncut holly]

They arent Lumaflies they look different they have tails

[spring escarp]

Waiittt doesn't monomom the teacher

use eletricity to run stuff

[wild falcon]

I hope expansions won't be so miniscule like they was in HK

[spring escarp]

my bad

[uncut holly]

Probably, Monomon figured that out

[wild falcon]

Great moment for team cherry to make a dlc for original HK btw

[spring escarp]

silksong is technically an expansion for hk

[flat fog]

expansion so big it had to be a separate game

[honest anvil]

don't let them try to make another dlc for original hk they'll make another 7 year game

[spring escarp]

ZOTEBOAt

[coral wren]

Lace DLC

[spring escarp]

idk why boat

zotegoat

[flat fog]

i do hope we get a pantheon though

[uncut holly]

If Zotes sword comes from Shellwood, then Shellwood wood makes a pretty crumby sword

[flat fog]

i wanna fight the bosses again

[edgy barn]

Would we still have gotten silksong if the goal for the third character had been reached?

[uncut holly]

Zote cant even hurt you in the original game

[spring escarp]

What is up with this npc?

[grand kayak]

probably not

[uncut holly]

Who the hell is that

[grand kayak]

who tf is that

[honest anvil]

who the fuck is that

[lean temple]

Who is that??

[cloud oracle]

who tf

[spring escarp]

You missed?

[coral wren]

Thats my favorite npc

[edgy barn]

Poorly made wooden sword vs literal holy shell

[spring escarp]

Poshiva?

[grand kayak]

Ive never seen that guy before in my life

[honest anvil]

is this a fake image are you making things up

[flat fog]

whats it called ?

[spring escarp]

duh

[grand kayak]

are we being silkposted

[uncut holly]

This a falsified image?

[coral wren]

His quest gives you the knights crest

[spring escarp]

legir article sir just 9,99

[uncut holly]

Theres an entire other crest you mean to tell me

[wild falcon]

Never seen this guy

[uncut holly]

What the heck is a Knights Crest

[spring escarp]

girl*

[uncut holly]

Where do they appear, Act 3?

[grand kayak]

ok now I know we are being fucked with

[honest anvil]

okay don't just spread misinformation whatever you're saying is clearly a lie

[spring escarp]

2

[coral wren]

They disappear after act 2

[grand kayak]

you gave it away with the fake crest.

[uncut holly]

Mmmmhm, i dont think this exists. A crest that disappears in act 3

[grand kayak]

peak silkpost for awhile though

[uncut holly]

That doesnt sound likely

[grand kayak]

gotta give credit where its due

[spring escarp]

you lose the shakra bossfight in act 3

[honest anvil]

the art is good

[uncut holly]

That is true but they dont give you a crest

[wild falcon]

Looks like something that would be in the game

[craggy bison]

what are the stupid black particles that come out of hornet cocoon

[spring escarp]

Yeah but it is missable content

[coral wren]

Thats why its a hidden crest

[spring escarp]

team cherry isnt afraid

[edgy barn]

I'm still severely pissed about that.

[spring escarp]

good question

[lean temple]

Her corpse likely

[uncut holly]

Hmmmmmmmm, i still dont believe it

What does the quest entail

[spring escarp]

go there in act 2

after you defeat widow

[uncut holly]

Ima find nothin, I aint goin squat

[coral wren]

Im not gonna spoil it

[honest anvil]

what's her name then link me to the wiki page

[spring escarp]

trigger still not fully e plaiend tho

[wild falcon]

There's no silksong wiki?

[deft zealot]

good morn

[wild falcon]

At least it is nowhere to be full

[honest anvil]

there's a hollow knight wiki that has pages for most things

and i assume anything as major as an npc would be on it
but like this is obviously a lie we need to stop getting baited

[deft zealot]

There's at least 3 wikis for Silksong wdym

[half shuttle]

😭

[spring escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-26050971

[coral wren]

How did two separate people find it then

[spring escarp]

you sure about that?

[flat fog]

joining in on the bait

trick as old as time

[gleaming thorn]

Are shaw and adilo slurs

[spring escarp]

yes against people of void

[half shuttle]

very much

[deft zealot]

GARAMA

[gleaming thorn]

So she slurred at knight lmfaoooo

[flat fog]

https://tenor.com/view/shakra-hornet-hollow-knight-silksong-poshanka-gif-13569590462274981095

[spring escarp]

A lot of characthers say russian sounding words

Mainly shakra and the fleas

They clearly come from bug russia

[sinful nimbus]

Oshanka!

[deft zealot]

Yokkala..

[flat fog]

pharloom is bug russia confirmed

[spring escarp]

Pharloom is bug EU

Lots of tribes united

[foggy fractal]

then what is Hallownest in this case

[spring escarp]

bug australia

Aka real australia

[uncut holly]

So you can get a gun in silksong, its a secret easily missable obscure tool and theres three variations mattering on who you give it to to repair it

Called the Silk Shot

[flat fog]

i learned that there was variations after i made it

[wild falcon]

And none of them have fully valid information

[spring escarp]

Obviously fake

[ember river]

Yes and only one variant is worth using

[flat fog]

i got the single shot one

[uncut holly]

Which ones the one worth using?

[ember river]

Poor 12th architect gets the worst one

[spring escarp]

Next you gonna say hornet gets naked in silksong

[uncut holly]

The True one?

[ember river]

The weaver one

[flat fog]

where do you make the weaver one?

[ember river]

Mount Fay

[hidden crater]

The grandmother is watching.

[flat fog]

oh at mask maker?

[ember river]

Nah

[flat fog]

damn

[spring escarp]

Yeah it is weird a random forgebug can do better than the fucking 12th architect

[ember river]

On a slightly hidden bench

[spring escarp]

???

[uncut holly]

If you go to the peak of Mount Fay theres a little cave along the right side of the platform, you can go in and theres a workbench and instructions to make the real Silk Shot

[flat fog]

i prolly just missed it then

[spring escarp]

Explain

[ember river]

It's weird that the variants are objectively good or bad

[spring escarp]

???????????? whaaaaaaaat

where the fuck is that cave

[ember river]

They should be sidegrades or something

[uncut holly]

You can also give it to Forge Daughter or Architect to get their own unqiue one.

[flat fog]

what does architechts silkshot do?

[ember river]

On the right side

[spring escarp]

tbf the true one should be the ehst

[flat fog]

like the lightning thing that you can change to a spear or a bomb?

[ember river]

3 shot burst that deals less damage in total

[uncut holly]

Architect gives a rapid fire gattling one that doesnt do much damage, Forge Daughter gives a normal fire one, thats a bit like the Vengeful Spirit of this game

[wild falcon]

Bombs are lowkey useless

[flat fog]

oh damn rip architecht

[ember river]

Like each having a use case

[flat fog]

i never tried em, only used the spear variant

[wild falcon]

They are basically random, you can't predict where they will land

Unlike spear

[flat fog]

i see

[spring escarp]

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK I MISSED THE TRUE SILKSHOT THIGN

[ember river]

I guess the one from forge daughter is usable since it can fire faster than the weaver one

[spring escarp]

It was there this whole time

[wild falcon]

Weaver silk shot is the best

[flat fog]

what does the true one do then?

[ember river]

Railgun

[uncut holly]

You can also upgrade your boomerang that you bought from the Ant Shopkeep (unless hes dead). If you go to the target room that the ants where throwing knives at its different and a white marking ant hides under the ground. If you hit all the targets with a boomerang he comes out asks for your boomerang and will upgrade it if you come back

[wild falcon]

You get less damage per one unit of silk

[spring escarp]

yoi cna sjoot like tje weaver bots

[flat fog]

oh thats cool

[uncut holly]

The Ants also very shakey for some reason, he looks sick

[wild falcon]

This upgrade appears only in act 3 btw

[ember river]

Yeah but I guess you can use it

[lean temple]

Forge Daughter isn't really a "random" bug. "Ours is the ancient line and honoured role" she's from a lineage of craftsbugs

[flat fog]

i found the boomerang before finding the shopkeeper

[uncut holly]

Yeah he can die and it appears in the Ant Vault

[spring escarp]

big deal

[flat fog]

nah i found it long before he died

[spring escarp]

Probably many lines of craftsburger

[flat fog]

i found it super early

[honest anvil]

the 12th architect is also like basically on death's door

[ember river]

Yeah but the architects built the entire modern citadel

[hidden crater]

Mmmm craftburger 🤤

[uncut holly]

Ant Shopkeeper was presumeably killed by Haunted Ants. That or Gorr, but the ants seem more likely because Gorr doesnt use knives.

[wild falcon]

He's robot afaik. Wonder what was wrong with him

[flat fog]

i noticed that the ant shopkeeper and the one who upgrades your boomerang have like white patches

[uncut holly]

I didnt actually know it but apparently 12th Architect dies if you buy out their shop.

[lean temple]

The knowledge of the original architects is lost to history, and the Weavers founded the Citadel and set the standards for the original architects

[uncut holly]

They might also die at Act 3 I dont know

[wild falcon]

This one robot bug? That's really cool

[ember river]

Even machines break down
She also seemed inclined to shutting down

[flat fog]

12 robot bugs

[uncut holly]

There are not 12 bugs

[wild falcon]

Right, twelfth architect

[ember river]

The original citadel was likely different from the modern one

[ember river]

There are at least 12

[flat fog]

i thought there was multiple before the twelth architecht?

[uncut holly]

Oh no i mean that are alive and we see

[ember river]

You can see dead ones

[honest anvil]

you can see dead people?

[ember river]

But I missed the secret room when I went into the chapel

So if someone can send it

[ember river]

You can see dead architects

[spring escarp]

Who is the most stupid bug in the cherryverse

[ember river]

11 at least

[flat fog]

yeah

which makes sense with it being the twelfth

[uncut holly]

Little lore detail is that the Pinstress states that the Citadel stole their techniques and used it against them. If we look at the Second Sentinel fight we can actually see them use some of Pinstresses moves.

[wild falcon]

I thought that twelth is just random prefix, like with chorus, sentinel, etc

[ember river]

Yup

[edgy barn]

Gurr also has them. My theory is that the gray spots is how the non-haunted Skarr identify tbemselves to one another.

[ember river]

Pretty cool

[spring escarp]

HOLY SHIT

[pliant meadow]

Probably the lifeblood scientist guy idk. Just bc he doesn't think lifeblood can exist in Hallownest when it 100% does

[spring escarp]

My brain ACTIVATED

[flat fog]

yeah i noticed that to, its really cool

[spring escarp]

I did see that attack but I didn't register it

[flat fog]

yeah i also assumed something along those lines

[ember river]

All of those are actual numbers too, there are 3 more chorus robots, and 3 more sentinels

[spring escarp]

Big BRAIN

[ember river]

You can find all of them

[spring escarp]

true

[wild falcon]

That's cool

[spring escarp]

Maybe his assistant

[pliant meadow]

Maybe

[honest anvil]

i mean that wouldn't make too much sense because if they're dead and haunted they'll still have the patches
they might just be like a different breed of skarr? or a different clan? no real clue

[ember river]

Right? I love these little details on the cog core

[uncut holly]

Yknow ive been wondering what enemy takes the role of the Primal Aspid in Silksong for being the most hated. I thought it was the Magma Slugs for a while but I think its Stilken.

[honest anvil]

it's that one craw with the dagger

[uncut holly]

Stilken are just the worst thing to fight

[spring escarp]

trueee Weeks after the game launched and I still find things to realize

[lean temple]

It's those spitting mosquitos

[flat fog]

arent all the ones with patches friendly except gurr

[ember river]

Back to 12th, she does call her directive a cage, and seems annoyed if you ask her to craft in act 3.
I think her shutdown is willing once her directive has been completed

[deft juniper]

Im trying hard to turn ||sherma's|| singing into a chorus rn and this is the best that i've got:

fari-dula szema-net
donmi pwana voly-net
pimna somni mali-set
dahna fong-shuu lur-boong!

Does anyone have any suggestions?

[flat fog]

who is likely hunting to survive

[uncut holly]

The Craw with the Dagger is also bad but its early game and they wind up becoming obselete later. The Mosquitoes are also bad in Putrified Ducts

[ember river]

That kinda sounds like Nyarthalotep's native tongue

[uncut holly]

Who is harder to hit Mosquitoes or the Stilken

[ember river]

Mosquitos, they are Primal Aspids but more annoying

[honest anvil]

sherma is a Great Old One confirmed

[lean temple]

There is dialogue where they say they're gonna shut down soon

[wild falcon]

Any verdania warrior, they do some bleach teleportation shi

[deft juniper]

sherma is eldritch character confirmed

[ember river]

I may have skipped past it, damn

Or haven't triggered it

[hidden crater]

https://tenor.com/view/sherma-silksong-sherma-silksong-gif-2943287262419971171

[edgy barn]

The skarr shopkeeper seems to have been a Last Claw (Karmelita's guards that we fight right before her), so I don't think they are a differet clan. Not to mention they are still living in the territory.

[flat fog]

happens when you buy out their shop i think

[ember river]

Could you transcribe it?

[wild falcon]

Is there any use for architect heart?

[honest anvil]

tasty shell shards

[ember river]

Ah, then haven't triggered it yet

[hidden crater]

Pretty sure the dialogue triggers after emptying their shop

[lean temple]

Lemme check the wiki

[uncut holly]

Stilken do respawn endlessly though

[wild falcon]

Watcher at the edge also looks exactly like one of coral tower warriors

[honest anvil]

i mean that's because watcher at the edge is one of those guys

[ember river]

Shell shards or just keep it around
It should have been a cogwork memento though

[lean temple]

"A: My s-s-service to you, Bug-Red... As it concludes I must speak-confess. Long now I have felt my rotors slow their s-s-spin. My limbs lift weak. An ending is felt, coming, sudden-certain... welcome.
Hornet: Whatever fading you feel has not shown in your craft, Master. You have provided tools of immaculate make.
Hornet: What will follow if you pass? Would another take your place?
A: One cannot. The skill to construct an Architect... That was taken by t-t-time. I am the last-final. The core remains to sustain the song, but no more Architects to tend-toil or build anew.
S-s-strange... 'For Pharloom eternal,' states the d-d-directive-cage. But how can eternity sustain without an Architect to serve? This seems e-e-error. An end? An error... welcome?"

[ember river]

At that point in the game I was glad the citadel drove them extinct and tortured their leaders

Teleporting ranged flying fucks

[flat fog]

i wish the hornet statue could be placed in the house

[wild falcon]

Oh that's why it is speaking this way

[flat fog]

i hate seeing it in my inventory next to all the consumables because i fear im gonna accidentally break it

[spring escarp]

We know ant language, what other languages we know exisr

[wild falcon]

Universal one

[lean temple]

Shrumal language

[honest anvil]

we don't even know that there is a universal bug language hornet might just translate all of them for us

[ember river]

Hm, so architects are constructed?
I thought they were transfered into their bodies like the choral commandment implies

[lean temple]

Hornet says she knows many languages, and Lemm says the wandering bugs had many different languages

[spring escarp]

real

She doesn't translate a feel words like poshanka and flea

[lean temple]

Hornet is surprised that she can't understand Mottled Skarr

[honest anvil]

there's no evidence to prove that like garmond and zaza aren't speaking french while the songclave bugs speak german and the snail shamans speak ancient latin

[spring escarp]

Maybe she doesnt know bug japanese and bug russian

Or is bug nepalese.

[ember river]

Same, to make the pristine cores and the statuette breakable was devilish

[wild falcon]

How about the knight tho?

[spring escarp]

Tibet?

he is speaking .

[flat fog]

i imagine most bugs in pharloom would speak the same language, but that might not be the same language as hallownest

[ember river]

Come on, at the very least give Garmond and Zaza Spanish as a language!

[spring escarp]

true

[honest anvil]

void magic gave them a babel fish in their ear or something
i don't know i'm talking out of my ass we just don't know how language works here

[spring escarp]

Bug spanish

[honest anvil]

you right you right

[spring escarp]

wait, aren't windmills present in greymoor?

[ember river]

Yeah

[spring escarp]

Interesting

[flat fog]

yea

[ember river]

They are a reference to don quixote all around

[spring escarp]

Gremoor doesn't feel that big imo

They said it was the largest area?

[ember river]

And I love that, they are some of the best characters in the game

[flat fog]

greymoor is very long tbh

likes its a wide location

[ember river]

It is? I thought it was the Underworks or the Choral Chambers

[spring escarp]

I know silksong is like the largest metroidvania buy I still want it to be bigger

[spring escarp]

TC said such in interviews

[ember river]

Hm

[autumn grail]

isn't choral chambers larger? it feels way bigger especially without the shortcuts unlocked

[whole juniper]

Choral chambers is 100% bigger

[autumn grail]

interesting

[ember river]

Maybe it was early on

[honest anvil]

they said it was one of the largest areas they made but they said that like a billion years ago right

[spring escarp]

Maybe it was

[lean temple]

TC did once say Greymoor was the biggest area they worked on but that was a long time ago. That's why you'll see speculative maps have greymoor be huge

[spring escarp]

And isn't anymore?

[ember river]

Greymoor is pretty big with all the floating stuff but it's not the largest

[whole juniper]

Why is lifeblood becoming so evil 🤔

[wild falcon]

Always has been

[spring escarp]

Someone post the minimap

[autumn grail]

I'm 90% sure we'll get DLC eventually tbh, maybe within 3-4 years

[ember river]

It always was, we're just seeing it to its fullest

[wild falcon]

Remember Joni

[spring escarp]

so we can judge

[honest anvil]

it was already evil we just never saw it get this large

[whole juniper]

not as evil in hk

[spring escarp]

Don't you say tjings like that bro

[ember river]

It was still frowned upon

[wild falcon]

It had no chance to infect anyone, pale king made it taboo

[whole juniper]

it killed one person in hk now it ruined a ecosystem

[autumn grail]

confused a lot of people tbh

[buoyant salmon]

Wait so the tree witch in Silksong bit Hornet and implanted her to have a “cursed child”

What if the White Lady does the same thing as Pale King? Rather than she is the one laying eggs, Pale King does it instead

[whole juniper]

Pale king knows what’s up

[spring escarp]

2

[honest anvil]

pale king mpreg???

[autumn grail]

silksong dlc in 9 years actually

[spring escarp]

And infected hornet too technically

[whole juniper]

Who other than joni

[ember river]

It ruined an ecosystem because a moron calling himself a scientist injected everyone

[foggy fractal]

I mean I think Greymoor is still the biggest area if we seperate the citadel into individual areas (underworks, cogworks, high halls, choral chambers, etc)
if we count the citadel as one big area then yeah its bigger than greymoor

[spring escarp]

oh you mean hj

[spring escarp]

yes

[autumn grail]

what is this theory bruh 😭😭

[whole juniper]

Those are areas of the citadel…

[spring escarp]

????????

[wild falcon]

"No side effects"

No side effects only if you are born of two gods and void

[ember river]

I think the choral chambers or the underworks is larger than greymoor

[spring escarp]

no immediate side effect i guess

[ember river]

HB genetics help to nullify the nastier ones

[spring escarp]

hb?

[buoyant salmon]

White Lady is a tree

A tree does not lay eggs

Pale King before becoming small can lay an egg for himself

[spring escarp]

hollow blight?

[whole juniper]

or just half a pale being

[autumn grail]

idk still feels like we're missing something about lifeblood. maybe we'll never know and that would be fine

[wild falcon]

Higher being

[ember river]

That's why the knight and hornet don't suffer their full effects

[spring escarp]

pale king is a sea horse husband

[wild falcon]

Hornet can't resist too much lifeblood

[honest anvil]

abyss creature

[flat fog]

i like lifeblood being mysterious tbh

its cool

[autumn grail]

first gay people now mpreg, I can't believe team cherry went woke

[spring escarp]

He had a shuttle below his throne to have children and a slide tot he abyss

[ember river]

I think that's explicitly tied to the phial

[whole juniper]

She sorta can… she just kinda becomes lifeblood

[ember river]

Haven't tested it with lifeblood seeds

[whole juniper]

Do you think that lifeblood won over the void in the wormways or did the void just ignore the worm ways

[ember river]

Which was a thing that happened in HK already

[wild falcon]

Phial is just lifeblood extract I think

[lean temple]

She also overdoses with seeds

[ember river]

Ah

[honest anvil]

she definitely can't resist it, she says that she's really close to being overtaken by the lifeblood when she overdoses

[whole juniper]

Yeah with a charm

[spring escarp]

What if i hypnotize ari gibson

[flat fog]

void is scared of worms :(

[autumn grail]

I don't disagree!

[spring escarp]

overdose more

[buoyant salmon]

It's quite the opposite

[autumn grail]

maybe it just wasn't in the voids reach for some reason

[edgy barn]

I think the wormways were just not haunted apart from Craggler.

[honest anvil]

she literally caps out there is a point where all the vial does is heal her instead of add new lifeblood masks

[whole juniper]

then why is the void never in worm ways

[buoyant salmon]

All Pale beings want to avoid the void at all costs

[whole juniper]

if there was one thing then why wouldn’t the rest be haunted

[flat fog]

i said worm not wyrm

[buoyant salmon]

Because Pale King literally seals it off?

[autumn grail]

Anyway the void used GMS, the haunting and silk to propagate I think

[wild falcon]

I think there's no threads in the worm ways to begin with

[whole juniper]

that’s just not true

[flat fog]

wormways from silksong

[wild falcon]

Void got on the surface only because of threads

[whole juniper]

dude what are you on about???

[flat fog]

not in hallownest

[autumn grail]

wormways has none

[spring escarp]

New lockheed martin jet could've saved hallownest

[buoyant salmon]

You said void afraid Wyrm

That is not even true at the slightest

[flat fog]

i think the void is just scared of worms personality

[hidden crater]

"no side effects"

[flat fog]

no i said worm not wyrm

[whole juniper]

holy shit I said “worm ways” this is literally the ss channel

[whole juniper]

and the pale king did not avoid the void at all costs so you’re still wrong

[flat fog]

different creatures

[buoyant salmon]

Worm wyrm, all but mortal flesh, they all die anyway

[spring escarp]

no cost too great

[buoyant salmon]

And guess what killed him in the end

[wild falcon]

Wyrm is the word for snakes anyway, why he is wyrm?

[whole juniper]

we don’t know

[honest anvil]

the gromlings have needolin dialogue so they probably have silk inside them

[whole juniper]

he theoretically killed himself

[hidden crater]

yeah and yet he still spent 3 billion dollars on buzzsaws

[autumn grail]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-too-fire-fire-writing-writing-fire-friendcord-gif-7801118907023267493

[flat fog]

void didnt go to wormways because void is scared of worm, thats the canon reason trust me i am team cherry

[spring escarp]

will we ever find more about blakc wyrm

[whole juniper]

it might just be a natural enemy to lifeblood like it is to the pale flowers

[wild falcon]

Blakc

Is that new polish word?

[edgy barn]

I still don't believe PK died by Void. We see what dying from void looks like and his corpse doesn't look like that.

[autumn grail]

there's no confirmation on what killed PK yet though. it's theorized by some to be void but we probably will never know

[buoyant salmon]

The throne room is filled with void particles and dark af. You can also see all of his guards that near him die by the void

[whole juniper]

yeah

[flat fog]

black wyrm is likely not a Wyrm in the sense that PK is, since whenever blackwyrm is mentioned it is as one word no capitals, PK is always referred to as Pale Wyrm or just Wyrm

[left oyster]

Why is lifeblood in the abyss in hallownest though?

[spring escarp]

I don't think ir changes much

[wild falcon]

I don't think PK is dead at all. We see it only from memories, and he can shed skin

[whole juniper]

Black doesn’t equal void.

[spring escarp]

What was his plan hiding the white palace even

[left oyster]

We MIGHT've already have

One of the eighth part Weaver cages mention a place called "Blackbarrens"

[whole juniper]

ah good point…

[autumn grail]

I agree it's probably just a giant ass worm

[spring escarp]

I didn't say tbe black wyrm was void

[buoyant salmon]

It's the same particle from the Abyss, not those that are dust

[spring escarp]

Just wassup with him

[flat fog]

its either a bug who calls themself Blackwyrm, or Blackwyrm is a place

[spring escarp]

!!!!!!!!!!

Black = black

[hidden crater]

how is hornet able to overdose on lifeblood but when the knight has over 30 lifeblood masks they're completely fine

[flat fog]

since its usually referred to as the battle of Blackwyrm iirc

[spring escarp]

Blackwyrm dlc comfirned

[autumn grail]

nah I like the idea of them fighting a big earthworm

[buoyant salmon]

mossbag said that those black orbs appear then disappear like those in the Abyss

[left oyster]

Void perfectly coexists with Lifeblood

[proud umbra]

If the void and our knight has "no voice, no will...", how does the true ending make any sense?

Wouldn't his love for Hornet making him not as pure? And therefore the infection will rise up again??

[honest anvil]

y'know we associate the abyss with the void but there's no reason why literally everything in the abyss has to be void-related. like it's an entire region of the world things might live down there, just as long as they can survive so close to the void. lifeblood is regenerative so it would definitely be able to survive

[proud umbra]

I've been wondering this for a solid minute

[whole juniper]

You have no way of proving it’s not dust… his body shows no signs of void and no, the stuff under his eyes isn’t void cause if it was he would be leaking it…

[spring escarp]

reasonabel

[lean temple]

Bcz Vessels were meant to be fine when containing a vengeful goddess. They're made to resist

[spring escarp]

tuff

[honest anvil]

nope, because they murdered the radiance in void form, rather than sealed her

[flat fog]

because the canon hk ending is likely one of the godhome endings

[whole juniper]

It wouldn’t be able to survive in void but in the abyss I guess it could

[spring escarp]

ye

[left oyster]

Void and Lifeblood might have a symbiotic relationship in Hallownest's Abyss

[whole juniper]

Mossbag literally said they’re dust

[topaz estuary]

Whose eyes?

[whole juniper]

I watched his video

[buoyant salmon]

You clearly not

[whole juniper]

pks

[proud umbra]

Yes I know, but the question isn't answered by that. I don't see how it makes sense yet

[whole juniper]

I did

[wild falcon]

Knights are built to seal infections

[spring escarp]

guy i feel lethargic last few days

I feel sleepy

[whole juniper]

You saying mossbag did something isn’t proof you’re the one who said it

[wild falcon]

I think same case for lifeblood

[honest anvil]

radiance isn't sealed in the godhome endings she's killed

[sage heart]

I think pondcatcher reed is dead in act 3….sadge

[spring escarp]

I feel tired

[flat fog]

knight using void heart shows it has a will

[autumn grail]

I mean we don't know what happens if the knight seals the radiance within itself, very likely that the infection just starts again lol

[proud umbra]

Straight up?? I thought she was sealed in the proper abyss

[spring escarp]

maybe void took him but if we end act 3 he is back

[spring escarp]

no, just killed

[left oyster]

I have a theory: Void allows Lifeblood to flourish better.

This is why the Lifeblood Core is only able to form within the Abyss, and the Wormways only become infected when Void takes over the rest of the land, almost as if the Void acted as a catalyst for the spread of the Lifeblood.

[lean temple]

Oh shit I forgot about him. Does he not appear at all?

[hidden crater]

i love how eva tells you to fuck off if your cursed or overdosed on lifeblood

[whole juniper]

at that point it doesn’t need to not have will- it needs will to kill radiance

[spring escarp]

like GMS

[sage heart]

Nope cant find him anywhere

[autumn grail]

in godhome ending she's ripped apart into pure essence

[spring escarp]

what she says if you are overdosed???

[uncut holly]

I will say getting the Wreath of Purity second time through, before subjecting yourself to Bilewater to fight Groal does really help

[wild falcon]

In "dreams no more" radiance is killed too?

[proud umbra]

Yes!! That is what would make most sense, I don't think she was literally killed but I've no idea what to think atm

[lean temple]

Something like don't come near me with that cursed blood

[honest anvil]

they rip her face open

[autumn grail]

I think she's simply consumed by the void in that right

[uncut holly]

Too bad the only way you would ever know about it is if you either spoiled ahead or played through another time, because by the time you get Muckmaggot immunity, you will never have to deal with them again

[spring escarp]

So same as the hreyroot?

[whole juniper]

Yes

[flat fog]

yeah exactly, and i think the true ending is really cute showing that knight presumably cares for hornet, further proving knight isnt hollow or pure

[spring escarp]

So we can expect lifeblood to be malicious

[lean temple]

I can find the exact quote 1 sec

[jaunty elm]

whoa what the fuck

[whole juniper]

in another video he discredits this idea

[wild falcon]

Lace and phantom memories I think

[flat fog]

oh where is this?

[buoyant salmon]

And WHAT video is it

[spring escarp]

mossbag is not god

[flat fog]

this is cool

[digital hemlock]

they need silk to keep skonging

[jaunty elm]

exhaust organ

[spring escarp]

Mfw people citing mossbag as source bruh

[whole juniper]

might be the mostly complete lore one might not

[digital hemlock]

which is why phantom is almost dying since they don't have fresh silk

[flat fog]

i dont think i came across this

[wild falcon]

Well this guy knows most about HK lore

[buoyant salmon]

But it is the most probable theory

[proud umbra]

They were brothers. Phantom was less "perfect" and was kept protecting the only other pathway in

[flat fog]

knew phantom was made of silk like lace

[lean temple]

Greyroot reaction: Stay back, twisted leech! Even lodged within another's shell, your ravenous nature shines clear.
You shall not defoul this chamber, nor claim my soul. Begone!

Lifeblood reaction: Come no closer! I sense the forbidden blood coursing through you, that which grows and reshapes the world in its own vulgar image.
Whether it was imbibed willingly or not, none shall be allowed into this chamber while so afflicted. Begone!

[deft zealot]

*sisters

[spring escarp]

not necessarily

[buoyant salmon]

• he uses trusted source of info

[proud umbra]

Yeah same thing

[digital hemlock]

gms orders weavers to be captured in order to replenish silk since she's running out kinda

[spring escarp]

Big words for a girl on an iron lung

[buoyant salmon]

You can’t even spell “necessary”

[jaunty elm]

I went down instead of up when given the chance

[spring escarp]

Not what i said

[autumn grail]

mossbag saying something doesn't make it true, just like everybody else he's theorizing. we don't know for sure what killed PK and we probably won't, and that's fine! the lore of this game is up for interpretation which is cool and I love that

[spring escarp]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/necessarily

[deft zealot]

Phantom was more than imperfect, she's dying. We were talking about this last night lol

[wild falcon]

She says this so calmly with such text, lol

[spring escarp]

I spelled wrong though

[hidden crater]

"Come no closer! I sense the forbidden blood coursing through you, that which grows and reshapes the world in its own vulgar image.
Whether it was imbibed willingly or not, none shall be allowed into this chamber while so afflicted. Begone!"

[buoyant salmon]

And you still not spell it right

[digital hemlock]

what is eva even

[spring escarp]

Correct

But I meant a different word.

[flat fog]

half weaver i think ?

[proud umbra]

2x

[wild falcon]

Soul construct? Weaver?

[digital hemlock]

did she use to be a complete weaver and now lost her physical form? or was she made to be like this?

[deft zealot]

The first failed attempt before Phantom maybe

[spring escarp]

I see

[flat fog]

the fact hornet is able to bind eva like she can to other weavers

[buoyant salmon]

My point still stands

Void can kill Pale Being

They're scared of the void, not the other way around.

[lethal burrow]

no eva was made by the Weavers, but Phantom and lace were made by grandmother silk

[edgy barn]

Eva is a failed attempt at creating a higher being by the weavers

[buoyant salmon]

Worm Wyrm, idc

[spring escarp]

that is true

[buoyant salmon]

They all died in the end

[proud umbra]

I remember this too "An attempt at mocking divinity" or smth

[flat fog]

you got to this point by a misinterpretation when we were talking about wormways and why it wasnt affected by the void in act 3

[spring escarp]

Just found it funny you cited mossbag as some unfallible source

[wild falcon]

We don't have proof of wyrm death tho

[lethal burrow]

Some would argue the life blood ones are more alive than ever

[buoyant salmon]

The void will probably stay there until the planet explode

[hidden crater]

void kill all

[wild falcon]

We just find his shell in the memories of the guard. Not even in real

[whole juniper]

clearly the pk wasn’t scared of it cause he made the knights around him of it

[buoyant salmon]

That not memory

He bring the whole palace into the guard dream

[whole juniper]

he makes his own dream realm and brings his palace into it

[open dragon]

Soooo are Phantom and Lace sort of siblings?

[buoyant salmon]

Hence why his corpse has the shard

[wild falcon]

Palace was never real?

[deft zealot]

not sort of, they are sisters

[whole juniper]

no it was he just brought it into the dream realm