sk-lore

[edgy stone]

I am against the weaver enslavement idea

[spark valve]

EtV?

[lapis creek]

theres some good marvel stuff ofc but some of it is just slop and i think it gets the point across really well

[obsidian quail]

that’s why i said they’d rather displease those with that perspective then bet on everyone having that perspective

[terse wadi]

Ngl, I think Mossbag just being a contrarian on that topic

[edgy stone]

I think the weavers are in fact the bad guys in silksong and its all a big ruse

[lapis creek]

sequel to etv

[obsidian quail]

use ur brain

[viscid ridge]

Yeah

[lethal burrow]

maybe they just escaped because hallownest turned out even worse.

At least people can live in pharloom with normality to some extent.

[lapis creek]

like "I hope we get to fight the shade lord"

[olive stag]

it's a fun little bit of speculation, but it's not very solid since ... y'know ... the game isn't out

[spark valve]

oh yeah well that's just a media literacy moment

[midnight zinc]

A Marvel comparison doesn’t even make sense, it’s two games, one coming after another. There being a defined line between them doesn’t make it like the MCU. It’d be like the MCU if there’s a post credit scene where Zote shows up and says a one-liner before the screen goes black.

[spark valve]

this is a false dichotomy entirely

[viscid ridge]

I think thats pretty obvious, we know they are enslaved, we just aren't sure why yet 🤔

[midnight zinc]

Yes, this has already been established. The conversation was never about whether or not they’d follow a specific ending, they already said they wouldn’t.

[terse wadi]

That's just strawmanning we literally see an imprisoned weaver, enslavement is not confirmed by they are certainly being held captive

[edgy stone]

They're just posing to be enslaved to make hornet feel bad for then

[obsidian quail]

yes and we’re discussing the choice they made, and ur criticizing it and i’m saying that’s probably why they chose to do so

[olive stag]

we see a weaver in a cocoon, that's all?

[edgy stone]

Silksong is all a a big guilt trip the weavers made for hornet

[midnight zinc]

Rule of cool enjoyers in shambles rn

[lethal burrow]

Every single thing that's ever been said in this channel is going to be wrong in less than a week and I am all for it

[lapis creek]

bet

[spark valve]

rule of cool is not a substitute for good writing

[viscid ridge]

I bet you 10000000 geo its gonna be a prequel. If it turns out its a sequal, i will sell you my soul.

But also lets wait and see what the game says 🥰

[olive stag]

lol so true

[kind orchid]

i love arguing with strangers on the internet for shit thats going to be irrelevant in 5 days anyway

[spark valve]

you're wrong

[terse wadi]

Rule of cool is just for artistic design not writing at least for TC it is

[edgy stone]

The game simply takes place between hornet 1 and 2

[spark valve]

they did make etv (and it sucks ass)

[kind orchid]

this is by far the funniest possibility

[viscid ridge]

Are you gonna show me a picture of a probuscis to prove me wrong?

[terse wadi]

Geo doesn't work in Pharloom this is a scam

[obsidian quail]

i’m more of a Dream No More guy myself

[terse wadi]

EtV is my favourite ending

[edgy stone]

Every time the knight sits at a bench time in game actually progresses by a month we just dont see it

[midnight zinc]

That’s the best part, six and a half years of speculation down the drain. It doesn’t even feel real that Silksong is going to have an actual defined plot and lore, “Silksong” and “speculation” have been synonymous since pre covid.

[olive stag]

the game takes place after the knight first sees hornet and before the hornet 1 battle

[spark valve]

unfortunate

[olive stag]

she just did All That before the fight

[gentle aspen]

Well it’s okay to like bad things

[spark valve]

etv is just key jingling while they utterly obliterate the entire narrative built up by the game

[lethal burrow]

this game takes place during the time the knight was stuck trying the path of pain over and over again

[edgy stone]

The game actually takes place between hornet 1 and city of tears

[viscid ridge]

Thats actually a really interesting point, rosaries are compareble to paper money, while geo is comparable to coins. It shows how much more advanced Pharloom is compared to Hallownest

[lapis creek]

etv is viscerally very nice because the pantheon was so hard and you get to murder the radiance

[gentle aspen]

Anyways I would prefer you all to keep the joking to a minimum

[terse wadi]

idk, I just like obliterating Radiance and THK living for once

[gentle aspen]

you made up all of that

[sinful nimbus]

Why so serious

[edgy stone]

Your name doesnt seem very accurate now

[spark valve]

it living is kind of a bad thing from a narrative perspective that's like the worst possible choice

[kind orchid]

• jojoker

[lapis creek]

but it's presented really weirdly

[gentle aspen]

It’s about following channel rules and not setting a precedent for constant jokes and stuff of that nature here

[terse wadi]

Wasn't it because of Persona 5 joker not DC joker

[oak lotus]

we know it’s a sequel it’s confirmed in game iirc that Hornet has never left hallownest

[sinful nimbus]

Rules are more 'laxed before ss last i checked

[lethal burrow]

We only have a little bit left before things really get serious. Let's enjoy the silly Period.

[viscid ridge]

The irony of a joker not liking jokes

[gentle aspen]

Well I hate that

[lapis creek]

the music and the editing sort of make it seem like hornet and thk are gonna fight and shade lord is gonna wreak havoc on everything

[spark valve]

sure sure the presentation is misleading as shit but the fact that thk gets to just walk away undercuts everything it actually represents within the context of the story

[lapis creek]

but that doesnt make too much sense in universe

[gentle aspen]

It’s decent for angsty fanfic writing and not much else

[olive stag]

leaving the black egg, might i add

[midnight zinc]

If only there was a way for them to clear up what happened

[gentle aspen]

like “oh let’s have THK try to go back to the White Palace and they see nothing there”

[sinful nimbus]

This is why when you think about it Hornet killing THK would be good writing

[terse wadi]

Lighthearted jokes are fine within the flow of conversation and it's lore relevant but this isn't a meme channel

[spark valve]

no it would also suck because then it's not instrumental

etv is utterly irredeemable

[obsidian quail]

i just don’t understand how knowing the canon ending of HK in SS isn’t insane

[olive stag]

what does "it's not instrumental" mean

[obsidian quail]

why would they do that

[sinful nimbus]

"not instrumental"

looks inside
Needolin player

[gentle aspen]

it doesn’t matter

[oak lotus]

only if it references hk at some point

[spark valve]

tk doesn't kill thk just for fun it's an essential part of laying the kingdom to rest

[edgy stone]

I think yall are forgetting that thk stumble overs and dies right after etv ends

[olive stag]

oh right yeah

[blissful harbor]

[obsidian quail]

it has to reference HK if it is showing the ending of HK

[spark valve]

hornet mercy killing it after it walks out of the egg in etv would in no way replace the importance of this

[oak lotus]

who is etv

[viscid ridge]

The thing is that people expect team cherry to follow up on this cliff hanger, but its not a cliff hanger at all, its just the natural turn of events given the circumstances, or like an au of what could have happened. That ending (in my eyes) feels in no way canonical.

[sinful nimbus]

yeah yeah

[obsidian quail]

embrace the void

[oak lotus]

I’m saying we don’t need to know the ending unless it connects

[lapis creek]

it's framed like a cliff hanger for literally no reason

[midnight zinc]

Who said anything about showing the ending

[gentle aspen]

Why would it show an ending of Hollow Knight

[lethal burrow]

Especially the music

[sinful nimbus]

The only ambiguous thing about the THK Hornet encounter is what she would say to it

[olive stag]

the only good part about etv is the fact most players never got to see it

[gentle aspen]

They want the second game to be new player friendly

[terse wadi]

That part I agree is bad, but like I said I just like THK living and obliterating Absolute Radiance

[gentle aspen]

directly tying an ending of the first game to the sequel is antithetical to that

[obsidian quail]

that’s what i have been saying but alus thinks that is a bad choice

[spark valve]

when you actually think about what thk represents in the story that's also bad

[obsidian quail]

that is what i have been saying

[lethal burrow]

That's true, we may all forget it by this point but in the original game, it is supposed to be a somewhat substantial reveal that the main character is in fact not the hollow Knight like you're meant to assume when you first play.

[viscid ridge]

Another way the game being a prequel could help, by not associating itself with the story of the first game

[edgy stone]

I feel like the hollow knight kinda has to appear in silksong

[gentle aspen]

Are you sure you haven’t been slightly disagreeing with them on one detail for that?

[lapis creek]

but why

[midnight zinc]

The audacity to do a “cliffhanger” after P5 is still crazy to me

[terse wadi]

Isn't it just a chill dude now that it isn't corrupted by infection

[edgy stone]

Otherwise why would the game be titled after them

[spark valve]

sure but that's unrelated to the issues

[lapis creek]

thematically its death is important as a rejection of the previous stasis

[obsidian quail]

no i have said what u said almost verbatim, we were discussing the choice to not have a canon ending addressed in SS

[gentle aspen]

Weird

[lapis creek]

either to replace it which has no value or to kill it entirely

[spark valve]

the issue is that thk represents the last desperate strain of the kingdom clinging to life, and the entire point of the game is finally laying the kingdom to rest

[blissful harbor]

it’s a franchise name

[midnight zinc]

You guys just don’t get it, and that’s okay. People grow at different speeds.

[sinful nimbus]

This is tough

[olive stag]

bait used to be believable

[terse wadi]

Perhaps but I prefer option c "Fuck you I do what I want"

[lethal burrow]

your condescension only speaks to the malformed spirit of your will.

[midnight zinc]

Recession indicator

[lapis creek]

thk's survival in etv is also emblematic of the fact that nothing in the lore actually matters because deus ex machina can just do whatever it wants

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, i personally feel they should have dropped the Hollow knight part of Hollow Knight Silksong, but i can understand why they did it

[gentle aspen]

What is there to get?

[midnight zinc]

Why do you talk like an anime character

[lethal burrow]

Anime characters speak in Japanese. I am using the English alphabet.

[lapis creek]

how can a will have a spirit

[midnight zinc]

I thought they spoke anime

[terse wadi]

It's Godseekers fault for pulling Rad into her dream so she can fangirl/hj

[sinful nimbus]

Is this abnormal for HK

[olive stag]

quick question: anybody think the void will play a huge part in silksong's lore?

[gentle aspen]

honestly if godseeker stuff wasn’t tied to an ending and rad was an essence copy like everything else it’d be fine

[lapis creek]

other than that thk's survival is only as good as what they can do with it

[gentle aspen]

I’d hope not but it’s a possibility

[blissful harbor]

no and it shouldn’t t imo

[spark valve]

it wouldn't undercut the entire force of the game at least

[edgy stone]

Yeah hornet is intrinsically linked to it after all

[gentle aspen]

I just don’t think there’s much more ground to be tread void wise

[olive stag]

with the steel assassins, feels slightly inevitable, but we'll see

[lethal burrow]

not a lateral spirit, more like a spirit of the actions.

"in the spirit of charity"
"the spirit of giving"
"the spirit of Goodwill"
"in the spirit of fun"
such turns of phrase as those.

[lapis creek]

if the kingdom hasn't actually been laid to rest because shade lord is about to murder everybody, then the finality of thk's death isn't really necessary

[gentle aspen]

the steel assassins aren’t tied to void

[terse wadi]

Hall of gods is an essence copy, byt Absrad real

[oak lotus]

much more likely that silk and song will be a large part 🤓

[lethal burrow]

What about the delicate flower?

[blissful harbor]

i think void will definitely appear in the story, but i think it will be a side element this time

[olive stag]

seems implied that they're void

[sinful nimbus]

No because P5 is awful

[spark valve]

it's not

[gentle aspen]

It isn’t

[viscid ridge]

Yes, but i don't think Hornet is related to it.

[gentle aspen]

gameplay wise yeah but I’m referring to the lore
It’d be inoffensive at best

[sinful nimbus]

Godhome lore is contrived

[lethal burrow]

that gif REALLY looks like void sea tendrils.

[edgy stone]

Every character we've seen is void and the there is nothing to disprove it

[gentle aspen]

It really doesn’t

[sinful nimbus]

But it would be meh at worst sure

[lapis creek]

well fighting an enhanced radiance in godhome and not having it end the game would undercut the suspense of the ending

[gentle aspen]

I’m gonna warn you if you keep shitposting here

[gentle aspen]

Not really?

[lapis creek]

of dnm i mean

[olive stag]

sharpe's attack really does look like the tendril

[viscid ridge]

I would've liked that void wasnt involved, but it seems void is too important to the wider world to be ignored.

[terse wadi]

I thought the lore was this was its original prime and DNM is weakened ver

[spark valve]

in the nature of postgame content

[edgy stone]

Cringe! Anyways chances are the steel assasins are void if the masters jiji talk about are somehow void related

[gentle aspen]

it looks like a fast moving black object, which people assert to be void

[sinful nimbus]

Nah void tendrils look way different, they have clear barbs and are animated quite differently

[lethal burrow]

They look almost identical. You should have a look with them.

[gentle aspen]

They don’t

sigh

[lethal burrow]

Really? I'm looking at them right now and I really don't see it

[edgy stone]

I honestly do think the new hornet concoon break animation is void but its like the formation of it

[viscid ridge]

Ask Tammo, they'll explain it

[obsidian quail]

i’m hoping there’s no Void and we get new cool stuff, especially a lot of Weaver content

[edgy stone]

I dont think the void is like this ancient substance that just exists but is instead something that is naturally produced by the world

[gentle aspen]

https://cdn.wikimg.net/en/hkwiki/images/8/80/Sharpe_Attack.gif

[olive stag]

fast moving objects (such as the nails/pins) have a completely different effect to them. sharpe's nose has the dents and smoke that looks like void tbh

[blissful harbor]

void weaver when

[gentle aspen]

what dents

[terse wadi]

Could be or could not be, I just enjoy watching people argue over it

[spark valve]

it doesn't go look at actual void tendrils they aren't the smear frames that sharpe has

[viscid ridge]

Oh boy here we go again, we should start keeping score 😭

[edgy stone]

I still think void is just bug oil

[midnight zinc]

So true king. Sharpe is probably void.

[lapis creek]

yeah but within the story radiance is cheapened by the fact that you can just fight her that many times as practice and then go kick her ass in the temple

[sinful nimbus]

Ancient substance that just exists would probably be more satisfying thematically

[spark valve]

sure godhome is always gonna be meh

[lapis creek]

before godmaster there was the climactic "you get to fight the sun" but

it would certainly be better if it weren't attached to an ending but it would still be bad

[spark valve]

in any case in order to use visual similarity as evidence of something like void there needs to be a DISTINCTIVE similarity which is altogether not the case with sharpe

[spark valve]

those are smears

[gentle aspen]

smear frames vs an actual continuously barbed tendril

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, i think we are very close to knowing what void is, i feel there is just one piece of the puzzle missing, hopefully we'll find that puzzle piece in SS

[gentle aspen]

if it was a tendril I think it would be spiky all along the side

[olive stag]

there's a better frame but i can't get it in the gif

[viscid ridge]

Show them the proboscis

[edgy stone]

I do like the idea of it being sorta the end of all things

[spark valve]

nobody wants your peanut gallery if you're just going to be snide you can either stop talking or turn off pings

[edgy stone]

Not like its going to kill shit but that everything will just turn to void in the end

[olive stag]

doesn't feel like a smear frame

[spark valve]

compare how blurry the edges are with actual void tendrils

[oak lotus]

@terse wadi I found out Lace calls Hornet “little spider” so I think it’s just trash talk. Lesbian Hornet is still canon

[midnight zinc]

Hornet is clearly ace

[spark valve]

it's much closer to this in how it's drawn than void tendrils

[lapis creek]

well it definitely has some blurriness associated with motion the question is if what's under the blurriness is smooth or not

[spark valve]

if it wasn't then there would be some amount of consistency and it would be more visibly solid

[viscid ridge]

You must also take into acount that team cherries art has evolved over time, we can also clearly see there are segments to the proboscis, same as with the void tendrils

[olive stag]

it also feels reasonable to assume it's void cause most black attacks in the game are associated with it

[lethal burrow]

well, there's at least a little bit because arcane eggs are back

[lapis creek]

it's not quite like anything we've seen them animate before so we'll have to see

[oak lotus]

if a being made out of literal void (the knight) is able to be gay for Zote (like me), then I don’t think hornet is ace

[spark valve]

shit wouldn't be moving around like that

[lethal burrow]

Would that make soul roach milk?

[viscid ridge]

Ok no thats not right, i agree sharpe is void, but this argument is stupid

[obsidian quail]

oh really i missed that

[lapis creek]

the proboscis having segments doesnt mean it's void

[spark valve]

they're blur frames very clearly

[midnight zinc]

The only person gay for Zote is Bretta

[oak lotus]

isn’t bretta a girl

[midnight zinc]

And Zote is a bitch

[viscid ridge]

There are also very clearly spikes, same as with void tendrils

[spark valve]

you're just lying but whatever

[midnight zinc]

Also Bretta is attracted to Zote in a very gay way, she writes fan fiction ffs

[spark valve]

lying about something on screen is crazy

[viscid ridge]

I actively hate zote

[lethal burrow]

OK, yeah actually you're right.

Pale lurker convinced me

[midnight zinc]

Brittle spirit, you’re supposed to argue pointlessly until the game comes out

[olive stag]

??? it's literally subjective bro 😭

[spark valve]

I mean not really

if there were actual spikes they would be in consistent locations and consistently visible

[lethal burrow]

Can we talk about what purity means instead that's a fun topic isn't it? Let's get hung up on that for hours.

[oak lotus]

LACENET FOREVER

[olive stag]

the void tendrils aren't consistent with their protrusions

[viscid ridge]

I cant even 🤣🤣

[spark valve]

those aren't remotely the same, they don't blur you can see the shape

[lethal burrow]

OK, can anyone get a clip or gif a complete void tendril creature animation here?

[midnight zinc]

Vessels in Silksong?

[lethal burrow]

Because this is gonna go in circles if we can't find that

[lapis creek]

it's clearly pretty different from the void tendrils

[viscid ridge]

Probably not, but phantom may be something similar

[obsidian quail]

are u guys discussing if that silksong bug is void?

[lapis creek]

theres not remotely enough evidence to conclude that the proboscis is made out of void

[olive stag]

that's the same as saying the nails aren't the same as in hollow knight cause the effects are different? the arstyle clearly changed. makes no sense for you to assert it as an objective truth

[sinful nimbus]

There are no nails in SS

Worst possible example 😭

[lethal burrow]

Yeah, we haven't seen nails yet. I don't think.

[gentle aspen]

They use pins in pharloom, not nails

[midnight zinc]

Forgot about that, that character is clearly void, why are we still talking about sharpe?

[viscid ridge]

They are arguing over if sharpe is void, or proboscis 🤣

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway the point is there is no reason to assume its void

[gentle aspen]

and you can’t call someone out for asserting an objective truth when you just asserted an artstyle change as well

[viscid ridge]

Literally the 3rd time this happened its hella funny

[lethal burrow]

It's black and sort of wavy

[gentle aspen]

that’s literally hornet void logic

[spark valve]

"it's black"

[olive stag]

is it not clear that silksong's artstyle is different?

[spark valve]

this is literally it

[midnight zinc]

Dawg we’ve been talking about whether sharpe is void since like 2018, didn’t he get revealed before the announcement trailer?

[gentle aspen]

artstyle shift does not equal redesign

[viscid ridge]

The head of phantom makes me think a lot about the Shade lord

[lethal burrow]

It looks exactly the same almost except that it's higher quality and more developed, but it's clearly the same

[lapis creek]

if the proboscis is meant to be smooth like pale lurker's arms, something has changed about the animation because pale lurker's arms don't look like that. if the proboscis is meant to be spiky like the void tendrils, something has changed about the animation because the void tendrils don't look like that. what could possibly be the conclusion here

[gentle aspen]

there’s nothing as of right now that makes sharpe void

[olive stag]

yes, that's wat i meant

[lethal burrow]

Well, then what you meant is completely different from what you said almost entirely I would say

[viscid ridge]

Not really, theres no concrete evidence, but i still think he is void

[olive stag]

yeah, true, it's just speculation

[foggy fractal]

here is void tendrils atlas/sprites

[edgy stone]

Is steel mentioned outside of steel soul mode and jijj?

[terse warren]

You just said that it's different though?

[gentle aspen]

I searched up pale lurker in tenor and there’s a fucking eternal Emilitia gif I’m livid

[lethal burrow]

The virgin thinking he's void for any reasons versus the Chad thinking he's void just because

[viscid ridge]

Lmao if you zoom in its just black 🤣

[edgy stone]

In hollow knight

[foggy fractal]

true

[lethal burrow]

when I try to click on the image to get a closer look 💀

[midnight zinc]

Yeah I’m curious to see how the void can be used by people who know more about it than the PK. For all his work he clearly had limited knowledge on how to truly use it, he mostly just forced it into moulds and tossed his eggs on it. I’m curious what a “void scientist” could make, maybe Phantom is some sort of Frankenstein like creation.

[foggy fractal]

epic fail !

[lapis creek]

epic embed fail gif

[viscid ridge]

Im working off of the same amount of information yall are just give me a break till we see in the game 🤣

[midnight zinc]

THANK you, mfs are so self serious over video game lore speculation

[obsidian quail]

how can sharpe do that thing with his body if not void? some other ability?

[viscid ridge]

Our theories will get better when we actually get a game to play ❤️

[gentle aspen]

bug

long nose

[spark valve]

the concept explicitly was an assassin bug using a proboscis as a whip

[lethal burrow]

they'll get better or they'll get worse

[gentle aspen]

long nose get longer

[viscid ridge]

Apparently a proboscis

[obsidian quail]

oh so what’s the argument then

[olive stag]

i mean we do have like ... ass jim, not sure how we explain that in bug terms

[lapis creek]

some people think the proboscis is made out of void

[oak lotus]

Lacenet

[obsidian quail]

ohhhh

[lapis creek]

because it's black and appears spiky in motion

[midnight zinc]

BBL (Bug Butt Lift)

[obsidian quail]

isn’t that an assumption until stated otherwise though, so it’s just a bug whip

[edgy stone]

We can kinda confidently assume void in silksong at this point so I feel like it is just fair to call the steel enemies void as well

[lapis creek]

yeah

[spark valve]

it's completely unfounded yes

[oak lotus]

That’s what lace has

[edgy stone]

With steels small connection to void in hk

[gentle aspen]

gonna ask you guys to not be inappropriate

[oak lotus]

mb

[edgy stone]

1984

[gentle aspen]

Steel doesn’t have a connection to void in hollow knight

[lapis creek]

this is true

[midnight zinc]

Fair but like the attack is literally him swinging his bare asscheeks at Hornet

[lethal burrow]

hey, don't lump me in. I want you to specifically ping and call out specific people instead next time OK? The rest of us really don't appreciate beagle group with this crowd

[oak lotus]

no more silkposts 😔🥀

[edgy stone]

I will die on jinn being some void bastard

[olive stag]

it doesn't feel totally unfounded to assume the masters of jinn/jiji have some connection to void, considering jiji's whole purpose in the game is bringing your shade

[obsidian quail]

if the shoe doesn’t fit u don’t need to worry

[olive stag]

of course it's mostly speculation with like, little to no evidence but it also feels wrong to just say "no it isn't that" and move on

[spark valve]

the respawn mechanic is noncanon and fudged and even then jiji says that wha the knight does is unusual, that's not what the ritual is for

[midnight zinc]

“Tammo is typing”

[gentle aspen]

You also made an inappropriate comment about sharpe

[olive stag]

when did anybody say it's noncanon

[viscid ridge]

Tammo is alwys typing 💀

[gentle aspen]

respawning isn’t canon

[spark valve]

hornet for one, bv, all the vessels still dead in abyss

[olive stag]

? hornet said the shade isn't canon? in dialogue?

[brave girder]

Pharloom is actually from the other side of the world to hallownest because look I was fighting hornet in “moss grotto” and she was upside down

[edgy stone]

Void final boss in silksong, the void expansion will be realized

[gentle aspen]

that’s not a thing that happens in the lore and jiji never canonically summons a shade

[oak lotus]

was it the BBL comment? Cuz if it was about my lacenet comment I’ll have you know that’s completely canon

[spark valve]

"I'll feel no sadness in a weakling's demise" as well as the entire surrounding warning are pretty inconsistent with it being able to just magically heal itself whenever it wants

[edgy stone]

Hollow knight was always about the void and will continue to be about the void

[viscid ridge]

I also personally think the respawn is non canon, its just a gameplay quirk we shouldn't give any mind to

[lethal burrow]

I was talking about his nose God not everyone has such a dirty mind

[midnight reef]

Lacenet is pretty non-cannon, just an extrapolation of Lace's dialouge from the 2019 demo

[lapis creek]

i think it's ambiguous whether she would be able to do it

[gentle aspen]

[oak lotus]

Lace is a zesty femme fatale confirmed

[midnight reef]

Which in the 2025 demo, Hornet is not interested, tells lace to stfu and fight, which is extremely not shocking

[spark valve]

if she can do it it's not something the ritual is made for and it's basically just on accident

[lethal burrow]

Anyways, what are you guys think about the ants?

[lapis creek]

but it's related to regrets and not necessarily void

[oak lotus]

she’s definitely interested

[viscid ridge]

We also confirmed Hornet is a Karen a few days ago

[midnight zinc]

Rad as hell, just like in real life they’re the coolest bugs

[oak lotus]

With the Will Smith move?

[lapis creek]

she seems unaware of the knight's exact nature and any relationship she may have with it, which may indicate there is no such relationship

[obsidian quail]

ants are always at war

[edgy stone]

Cool, I hope they're more than just another mantis tribe

[lethal burrow]

they invented war, long before humans.

[obsidian quail]

as we speak there are countless wars going on

[viscid ridge]

Nah cause the plot of Silksong is basically: "Can i speak to the manager" 🤣

[olive stag]

where does she say it's not intended?

[oak lotus]

LMAO

[spark valve]

Ah, you seem to have made peace with your regrets in a most novel, and dare I say brutal, fashion. What a joy to behold. Farewell for now. I will think of you as I savour my meal.

[midnight zinc]

This is why they should include more than one ant colony. Imagine seeing an ant colony war in the game

[spark valve]

it's nothing she's ever seen before and nothing she would expect

[viscid ridge]

Lowkey i vibe with you glue sniffer, wanna sniff glue from time to time?

[lethal burrow]

Oh my God, multiple queens...

[olive stag]

this implies it's unexpected for someone to deal with their regrets by beating the hell out of it. doesn't mean the ritual isn't meant to do that, just that people normally reconcile with regrets by other means

[oak lotus]

given the fact that there are at least 2 lace boss fights, she’s probably like SS’s version of hornet, but instead of enemies to friends it’s enemies to lovers

[spark valve]

if the ritual actually summoned void beings they would kind of have to

but it doesn't, so they don't, because that's not what the ritual typically does

[oak lotus]

LMAO YEA

[midnight reef]

normally I thought the lore channel was where the sane people discused lore...

[lethal burrow]

perhaps in a month

[obsidian quail]

silksanity has breached all aspects of the community

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, but i personally think she is a badguy, i don't feel as if she is gonna be secretly good. I might be proven wrong tho

[midnight zinc]

The game isn’t out, this is just #sk-discussion lite

[oak lotus]

lacenet is lore until we get a game

[terse wadi]

I like how people keep saying "we'll all be wrong in 4 days" as if the game coming out is going to stop people from interpreting the informaton differently

[olive stag]

not necessarily, we just know that the Knight's manifestation of regrets is the shade. it's very limited knowledge to assert that with certainty

[terse warren]

I'm a Hollow Knight fan, I can't read

[oak lotus]

b-but the sesbian lex 😭

[spark valve]

except the shade isn't that, it's its physical insides

[gentle aspen]

They probably aren’t

[midnight zinc]

This is what I’m saying. 80% of the fandom doesn’t understand what “hollow” means, it’ll be a while before this channel even remotely resembles #hk-lore

[lethal burrow]

this too, is toxic yuri

[gentle aspen]

They have a colosseum type area

[lapis creek]

when we kill sharpe the determination of his nature will be simple

[terse wadi]

Woah, slow your roll, I never said anything about that

[viscid ridge]

Nope, Hornet is too good for any man or woman, she is above sex 🤣

[lethal burrow]

when the game comes out all that will change is that we will be wrong in new and interesting ways.

So many more possibilities for wrongness.

[oak lotus]

Enemies to still enemies but also lovers

[midnight zinc]

My roll is haulted

[obsidian quail]

cease this prattle

[olive stag]

sure, but doesn't mean jiji has no knowledge of void. all she says is dealing with regrets through combat is unusual for her

[spark valve]

it is absolutely a defeater for the claim that she does though, it completely undercuts it

[lapis creek]

how else would you deal with void if your job was to summon it on the regular

[terse warren]

Doesn't mean she has any knowledge of it either

[oak lotus]

even our queen needs someone in her life, whether that be lace or someone else

[spark valve]

you can't prove a negative

[lethal burrow]

She is a princess, not a queen

[viscid ridge]

Nah, i physically can't see Hornet being in a relationship with anyone, she is a lone wolf

[obsidian quail]

i hope we get silksong piano collections

[sinful nimbus]

Yrue

[edgy stone]

The queen of deepnest died though and hornet was the next in line of succession

[olive stag]

she makes a ritual that brings back the knight's shade. she demands payment for bringing back his shade. it feels natural that she knows what she's doing

[midnight zinc]

I mean the monarchs of both kingdoms she comes from are dead. I guess the knight is the king of Hallownest but Deepnest is up for grabs

[spark valve]

except that's explicitly not how the ritual typically works

[edgy stone]

Both hornet and the knight take the thrones of their respective kingdoms

[spark valve]

the fact that she's surprised at what happens means that what happened isn't what she expected to happen

which means she... didn't know what she was doing

[olive stag]

the part about the ritual that isn't how it tipically works is the violence part. she's surprised about the way knight reacted, not about the void being inside her home

[oak lotus]

Queen as in 💅

[midnight zinc]

She’s obviously aro ace.

[lethal burrow]

whatever it seems like shade stuff is weird and not exactly Canon anyways

[gentle aspen]

Her whole thing is giving regrets physical form
Within the noncanonical interaction, she summons an already tangible entity that we violently suppress

It’s clearly not the norm

[lapis creek]

typically regrets don't fight, typically void fights -> regrets are not void in jiji's experience

[gentle aspen]

she herself says as much

[oak lotus]

😔

[terse warren]

I doubt she'd be cowering in fear if that was her whole job description

[gentle aspen]

she also wouldn’t usually hide

[viscid ridge]

The Protecter Princess of Hallownest

[obsidian quail]

i don’t like to think about the shade and respawning too much

[gentle aspen]

it’s literally just respawning that isn’t canon

that’s it

[lethal burrow]

Just accept that steel soul is canon

[oak lotus]

princess by chance, queen by choice

[gentle aspen]

god im so fucking hungry

[spark valve]

eat something

[viscid ridge]

Everyone is a queen deep down

[midnight zinc]

Hi I’m so fucking hungry, I’m dad

[gentle aspen]

food is not ready yet

[obsidian quail]

so respawning isn’t canon, thus Jiji ever doing the ritual to summon shade isn’t canon by extension?

[oak lotus]

at some point we need to just accept that some parts of the game (benches, shade, etc.) are there to enhance the experience of the player and may not be canon to the game

[spark valve]

correct

[viscid ridge]

I was gonna make a joke, but tammo wouldn't be happy with me

[sinful nimbus]

The huntress brood after seeing their mother:

[lapis creek]

she says that regrets stain the world and make the whole land dark so i think she's saying they have a physical form already but it's unclear what the fuck shes talking about

[oak lotus]

yasss

[obsidian quail]

i’m getting a black cat i’m gonna name Shade

[edgy stone]

Benches are canon

[sinful nimbus]

Anything to not invoke Tammo's harrowing disapproval

[gentle aspen]

I mean it could just be metaphorical

[lapis creek]

i guess

[edgy stone]

The knight is a lazy fuck who just needs a lot of breaks

[lethal burrow]

The pale King invested in public infrastructure canonically.

[spark valve]

this is so clearly figurative in the context of hk

[midnight zinc]

Bro’s just eepy

[gentle aspen]

like we went years confused as hell about mask maker until we stopped taking their insane ramblings seriously

[obsidian quail]

i’m gonna get 2 cats named Dream and Shade do u guys like it

[edgy stone]

Same with hornet

[lapis creek]

yeah it doesn't really fit literally into anything else

[olive stag]

the world's better when we realize some bugs are just weird little guys with weird little thoughts

[edgy stone]

The pale kings children do not have a lot of energy

[lapis creek]

if you tried to force it in you'd have to make all kinds of assumptions to justify why it's never observed

[oak lotus]

god lacenet would be so cute tho

[viscid ridge]

Pale King is actually very tight, its just everything went so wrong, and he really tried to fix things, but he was also inevitably forced to give up

[sinful nimbus]

Insane chemistry

[olive stag]

he did make a random tramline nobody asked for though

[terse wadi]

I love Nitroglycerin and a fuse

[oak lotus]

yessir

[viscid ridge]

Are you referring to the crossroads one or the deepnest one?

[olive stag]

both, probably

[edgy stone]

The bugs were fools and didnt realize the greatness of the tram

[terse wadi]

There's already a lower tram into deepnest so any arguments about the upper one don't matter

[midnight zinc]

Yeah but the city of tears isn’t very walkable, it’s too vertical

[terse wadi]

It's got elevators

[edgy stone]

Bugs also fly

[midnight zinc]

Not all of them

[edgy stone]

Pale king was racist

[viscid ridge]

Nah, i think the crossroads one is valid, cause its right above the village in crossroads, but the deepnest one is absolutely nonsensical

[edgy stone]

Towards landstuck bugs

[olive stag]

anybody think wyrms are making a comeback in silksong?

[midnight zinc]

Name one real city where you have to take elevators to get to another part of the city, not just up a building

[sinful nimbus]

Deepnest was meant to have an easy route to the failed tramway

[viscid ridge]

To whom?

[edgy stone]

Non flying bugs

[midnight zinc]

This but unironically

[terse wadi]

idk the name of it but there's a city like that

[sinful nimbus]

racist to who

[edgy stone]

The pale king probably did not like bugs much

[viscid ridge]

Those WALKERS (Slur)

[sinful nimbus]

?

[midnight zinc]

They’ll be mentioned without a doubt, someone will know who Hornet’s father was. But they won’t be present.

[gentle aspen]

yeah he disliked them so much he gave them sapience and a kingdom

[spark valve]

disliked them so much he sacrificed everything for them

[terse wadi]

PK created all the Hallownest bugs (not the tribes that already existed though)

[edgy stone]

Pale king just wanted a big home for him and his tree wife

[viscid ridge]

Like a 30% chance, Phantom looks a lot like Hornet, who looks a lot like the Pale King, so maybe Phantom is related to another wyrm

[edgy stone]

His tree wife was massive, theres gotta be a lot of room for her

[sinful nimbus]

Phantom is a kitsune

[edgy stone]

I do hope we see another wyrm carcass at some point

I dont care much for like bug form wyrms but I want to see another wyrm wyrm

[midnight zinc]

Chubby chasing short king, what a goat

[edgy stone]

Mainly to see how unique each one is

[olive stag]

but ... but the blackwyrm ...

it's a joke please don't skewer me

[viscid ridge]

I honestly doubt they would be that different from one another

[midnight zinc]

Honestly I have no clue what it could even be, aside from void in some way. But I mentioned a Frankenstein type story for that character

[terse wadi]

Calling the queen fat, off with your headd

[edgy stone]

Best bet so far is probably void

[viscid ridge]

Idk she is a very out of place character, i wonder what her deal is, she looks like she is made out if a broken bug

[sinful nimbus]

Phantom gives shapeshifter or molting vibes

[olive stag]

but what about her shadow in the white palace nursery

[edgy stone]

Branch

[lethal burrow]

The king is also wide in the dung defenders memory for some reason

I don't know why they made him WIDE in that but....

[terse wadi]

That's his wings

[viscid ridge]

Im pretty sure she was smaller, but started growing rapidly when she locked herself up

[viscid ridge]

Yeah monarch wings

[edgy stone]

I really do like the pale kings design

[midnight zinc]

Put on some weight during quarantine, she’s just like us fr

[lethal burrow]

Look at the gap in those legs I don't see how the wings can explain that

[terse wadi]

WL can move she wasn't always in Queen's Garddens

[edgy stone]

Its never shown top down in game but ive seen fanart of it and the way it mimics a worm is cool

[viscid ridge]

The first time i saw the pale king, is the first time i fell in love with the game

[edgy stone]

Buttered up and squeezed through the tunnels

[viscid ridge]

No offense but this screenshot is absolute ass

[terse wadi]

That's just a rock bro

[sinful nimbus]

That's his cloak

He is sitting on his throne

[olive stag]

what's up with phantom by the way?

[midnight zinc]

Void

[lethal burrow]

Either has a massive legs or his head is very big

[terse wadi]

That's not a leg

[viscid ridge]

No idea, possibly related to the wyrms, possibly void, possibly buttwings who knows??

[terse wadi]

I choose to believe he's cherry flavoured

[lethal burrow]

they really both look like it

[sinful nimbus]

Kitsune imo

[edgy stone]

Was phantom involved in pharlooms economic collapse?

[midnight zinc]

Isn’t that his cloak or whatever, not legs? It drapes

[sinful nimbus]

yeah

[terse wadi]

It's just his cloak parting on the throne

[lethal burrow]

If that's his legs, then he has a very, very big head

[edgy stone]

Did phantom give out incredibly large loans and crash the economy

[terse wadi]

Sounds like something Zote would do

[viscid ridge]

His head is much bigger than usual, i think it was made bigger so its easier to tell its the pale king

[midnight zinc]

Btw his drip is actually insane, why does he aura farm in every scene he’s in.

[terse wadi]

He would def be a crypto bro

[edgy stone]

How he survives

Pale king gets nutrients off of aurafarming

[viscid ridge]

Who? Zote or Pale king i lost track of the conversation??

[midnight zinc]

Like genuinely he’s posted up in every shot, like we get it bro, you’re a god king, we got a flick, it’s okay

[terse wadi]

Zote

[edgy stone]

I demand we see hornet eat in silksong

[edgy stone]

Not once do any of pale kings children eat something

[terse wadi]

There's food in the game, so probably

[viscid ridge]

No offense but Zote is too stupid to be a cryptobro

[terse wadi]

Precisely why he'd ddo it

[lethal burrow]

Actually, what the fuck I never realized how big his head is

[viscid ridge]

We do know Hornet will eat stuff in silksong

[frozen ocean]

holy typo pls be careful

[midnight zinc]

I think it’d be funny if she has a massive terrifying mouth filled with fangs, then when she’s gone eating her mouth disappears again

[midnight zinc]

Of course it’s big, it needs to hold a giant brain to think of all his genius foolproof plans

[terse wadi]

Ari just doesn't draw Mouths, it's not in his artstyle, but they do have them

[olive stag]

what typo

[frozen ocean]

not your problem

[viscid ridge]

Yeah but dont take this dream too seriously, everything is way out of proportion, in the dream he is just as big as drya, and half the size of hegamol

[olive stag]

what a normal response

[edgy stone]

I like the idea that the pale kings head doesnt work like an actual bugs

It works the exact same way the wyrm form does its just a mimicry of regular bugs

[lethal burrow]

yeah but it's still nice to know that white defender doesn't imagine the king as a thick fellow with big ass legs

[midnight zinc]

So the top of his head is his mouth? That’s fire

[viscid ridge]

Yeah it deleted the message i think i know what i accidentally wrote 😭 why are they so close to eachother

[terse wadi]

"The god-king has different biology compared to normal bugs"

Seems kinda obvious

[midnight zinc]

Catastrophic typo lmao

[foggy fractal]

castastrophic error wth

[viscid ridge]

My fat fingers are sorry 🤣

[midnight zinc]

Yeah but he probably doesn’t actually have a mouth on top of his head

[lethal burrow]

i always saw it as him stanced up with his hands on his hips

[terse wadi]

Never claimed that

[lethal burrow]

yes, and whenever he talks, it's with the sound quality of a school announcement speaker

[midnight zinc]

Oh the food is here, bye I’m gonna eat

[olive stag]

would be very funny though

[viscid ridge]

No i just think that those legs are parts of his cloak that are just hanging, but i still think we shouldn't take that dream too seriously.

Also did you just draw that thats fucking hilarious

[lethal burrow]

yeah, I did draw that and I can see how it's supposed to look, but like I'm never going to be able to nor see it as him standing with his arms at his sides

[terse wadi]

It's Ogrims very old memory

[viscid ridge]

Yeaah i was right those are parts of his cloak

[viscid ridge]

Ive seen a fanart of how the pale kings arms look that i personally think it would realistically look like

[sinful nimbus]

Probably like his kids limbs tbh

[terse wadi]

Honestly glad PK's feet are obscured, I don't want this fandom to be like a certain one that has to analyze toe count on feet

Not that Ari draws toes in the first place

[viscid ridge]

I wish to god i saved it cause i really want to show you guys

[vestal swan]

That kind of thing happens all the time, just not that word

[lethal burrow]

hm

[vestal swan]

?

[lethal burrow]

Sorry, just thinking

[vestal swan]

Why did you put the question and the images in different channels

[lethal burrow]

I figured it was more appropriately asked in the Hollow Knight channel

[viscid ridge]

Yo yo guys i found it

[lethal burrow]

But I considered the question in this channel because of the conversation

[viscid ridge]

I personally think this is what the pale king looks like under his cloak

[olive stag]

very cool looking

[viscid ridge]

Yeah it matches the artstyle very well, i think thats why it looks so good

[vestal swan]

This reeks of mebi

[lethal burrow]

I think his body would probably be like hornet's body since we know herrah didn't have the black body so hornet only has one place to get it from

[foggy fractal]

was probably mebi lmao

that or arch

[olive stag]

we know? how?

[lethal burrow]

huh

cause we see... her?

[viscid ridge]

Cause she has no black body

[olive stag]

with the cloak, no?

[vestal swan]

What

[lethal burrow]

Who do you think harrah is

[viscid ridge]

But i dont think the black body is indicative of anything, i just think most bugs looks like that

[olive stag]

fuck i confused her with lurien

[vestal swan]

> this would be the time to insert the naked hornet picture

[viscid ridge]

They are refering to herrah, not to hornet

[terse wadi]

What if hornet has a illusionary conversation with PK at some point like Kratos does with Zeus in GOW

[lethal burrow]

i'm not saying I'm actually correcting anything. I'm just stating my logic.

hornet has a black body, harrah doesn't, therefore the pale king is the only person she could've gotten that trait from.

Not airtight, but I think my logic is solid

[terse wadi]

Black bodies are pretty common

[viscid ridge]

I think we'll maybe get memories or flashbacks, could really help us get more lore

[terse wadi]

At least limbs

[olive stag]

cloakless hornet is actually so weird, i always assumed her body was black because it was shadowed

[lethal burrow]

ye, bardoon does say he took the form of a common bug though didn't they? Or am I just remembering that from something else?

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i understood completely, but im arguing that black bodies aren't genetic, its just what most bugs look like

I dont think we see a bug in hollow knight, with hornet's prepositions that doesn't have a black body

[lethal burrow]

well, I mean it's probably genetic, seen as it's the physical body. That doesn't mean it can't be a common trait among many bugs though.

[foggy fractal]

nvm I couldn't find who made it I know like 6 people who could've done it
though tbf hk's character sprites are pretty simple

[viscid ridge]

I can maybe find the artist

[lethal burrow]

Can't you just reverse image search?

[foggy fractal]

true I'll do that rn

[olive stag]

i feel the choice to make some bugs' bodies black is because of how thin some of the limbs are. it would look off with ari's style (and the size of his lines) if a body as thin as hornet's (or the knight's) was detailed + had the outline

[foggy fractal]

oh I found em

[lethal burrow]

neat

[olive stag]

share

[tawdry flare]

Did you make it and just forget

[foggy fractal]

doesn't seem like they post a lot anymore though https://x.com/hornet8842

Void (Comms Open) (@hornet8842) on X

The Silksong slop account
I go by Clock or Void

Now an alt for @clockwise8842

Number 1 Hornet fan
Strawpage: https://t.co/Ev7bQ6hM5D

X

[terse wadi]

What if PK has no limbs besides stubby legs because he has telekinetic powers/hj

[edgy stone]

We need a diagram of pale kings anatomy team cherry

[viscid ridge]

Yeah exactly the person i just found

[edgy stone]

Show me pale kings digestive track godamn it

[viscid ridge]

I also found this, which i think is pretty cool so ill share

[terse wadi]

I do like the idea of PK just making limbs out of soul when he needs them

He was a wyrm, he had no limbs so it tracks, imo

[viscid ridge]

I think realistically it is his actual arms, but they just slightly glow

[gentle aspen]

I get the feeling he does have limbs

[viscid ridge]

Yeah probably

[gentle aspen]

hornet and the vessels have extremely similar body types

And the vessels did NOT inherit that shit from White Lady

[edgy stone]

I feel like the pale king would also have limbs just to mimic other bugs

[foggy fractal]

so pel kig has stubby legs and stubby arms gotcha

[tawdry flare]

Wait why doesn’t PV have root attacks

[viscid ridge]

Yeah most likely, just like the knight i think

[edgy stone]

We dont really know if wyrms get to choose their forms but the pale king certainly looks helluva a lot like the basic bugs in hk

[viscid ridge]

Have you seen that gif i shared made by the same artist? Its cool huh?

[foggy fractal]

though maybe he has hands like thk ? speaking of how many character actually has hands

[terse wadi]

He chose to mimic bug form he's a giant ass wyrm in reality, it's just more convenient

[edgy stone]

I do kinda like the idea of him not having limbs though, it makes his design cooler

[viscid ridge]

I think it looks cool that he has hands, but realistically he probably has stubs like the knight and hornet

[edgy stone]

I dont like the feral weird design people made for him though

[random sorrel]

return of the simple key

[viscid ridge]

No, i think he has limbs but his cloak makes him still lool like a wyrm without limbs

[viscid ridge]

I hope we get a new simple key design cause the old design looked so weird

[terse wadi]

Blame the locks they were made to fit in

[edgy stone]

https://youtu.be/dltm6G3HDAc?si=BrewOEgKNLDb1DaZ my favorite pale king design is at 8 seconds in this video

[viscid ridge]

That video is great, i also know exactly which part your talking about

[edgy stone]

The idea that his cloak trails behind him mimicking a wyrms body when you look at it topdown

[sly skiff]

Love this video

[viscid ridge]

Even in that cutscene from the abyss, his cape makes him look like a limbless slug, just like a wyrm, which is a detail i really admire

[terse wadi]

Radiances anger at her own people betraying her is understandable but it's pretty petty to take it out on hallownest when the Moths are at fault, yes PK is a beacon but imo that's kind of involuntary imo, and like what did the common bugs do, unless one wants to say since they're his creations they should suffer too idk

[spark valve]

I mean even if you want to argue the first generation of moths to forget her did something fucked up that’s not something to hold against their descendants

[terse wadi]

Correct

[viscid ridge]

I personally dont think its pettiness but desperation. We know that she was absolutely TERRIFIED of being forgotten, so she forced everyone to remember her, if they wanted to or not.

[olive stag]

yeah it definitely feels like a petty move

kinda lika a feud between two lords

[terse wadi]

If it was just about rememberence she wouldn't have created the infection

[olive stag]

"oh my people left me for this guy? let's burn his entire kingdom down"

[terse wadi]

Fr

[spark valve]

Except considerably more one sided

[terse wadi]

"Men, we don't know what we did wrong" the game

[olive stag]

poor pale king

[terse wadi]

I won't justify PK's actons but in reality Radiance commited a warcrime so PK committed a warcrime of his own

[lethal burrow]

This statement implies that slugs usually have limbs

[viscid ridge]

https://youtu.be/q-s8IzQnZkI?si=-Ru1oMnwKAUthIty

The reason i feel this way is specifically because of the radiances voice in the Vocalized mod. Its an absolutely beautiful performance

They really brought her desperation to not be forgotten to life

[terse wadi]

Fair, she's still a bitch

[lethal burrow]

yeah, I'm weird, but I much prefer the cool gibberish sounds from the normal game

Adidas! shaw!

[olive stag]

i think all higher beings showcased are faulty in one way or another. radiance just looks like the worst

[lethal burrow]

even unn?

[olive stag]

the good ol' git gud

[viscid ridge]

Me too, but im saying that her voice performance in the boss fight made me realize

[olive stag]

bro just vanished to take a bath and left his people 😭

[terse wadi]

PK did nothing of fault until Radiance did something of fault, his record was blemish free pre infection

[viscid ridge]

I hope we get a Shaw in Silksong

[lethal burrow]

also, fun fact, apparently there is some sort of consistent language behind the scenes for all the characters but the nail smith does actually just speak in gibberish different from every other bug in the game.

[terse wadi]

Unn is a she and she's in a weakened state

she's sleeping it off

[lethal burrow]

I guess you could say the nail Smith speaks a different language or something

[olive stag]

oh didn't know that, cool

[viscid ridge]

Unn is calling to her people, but she is so weak that they cant hear her

[olive stag]

speaks volumes to see that his first reaction to an infection was doing what he did. but it does redeem him (at least a little) that he did everything in his power to protect his kingdom and his people

[terse wadi]

Rest is a pretty common method of regaining strength

[terse wadi]

Yeah

[lethal burrow]

do we think esma was a greenkin?

[terse wadi]

The real tragidy of HK

[viscid ridge]

Both Pale King and Radiance aren't the badguys, its just they both didn't want to except that they both inevitably have to be forgotten

[terse wadi]

*Tragedy

[terse wadi]

Nah, it doesn't matter if PK's forgotten he has physical form

[lethal burrow]

The moths are the real assholes. There's not even any indication The pale king purposely made them go away from the radiance. They just sort of did that and the radiance took it out on the pale kings shit.

[terse wadi]

Radiance only exists in the dreamworld, if she's forgotten she ceases to exist

[viscid ridge]

We even know in pre launch hollow knight lore, that for a god to he forgotten is akin to being killed, which is probably why they were both so desperate

[terse wadi]

Depends, for a god that draws power from belief, yes

[olive stag]

i think it's interesting that it still was very important to him that his image was excellent (what with all the statues and idols). maybe it was just typical monarch stuff, but idk

[terse wadi]

Probably blaming PK for the "pale beacon" which imo is just something his body does automatically

[lethal burrow]

The fickleness of the moths proved to be the ruin of all.

[terse wadi]

Yup

[thin ocean]

what the hell happened in ss discussion 😭

[viscid ridge]

We ran out of Silksong to discuss

[terse wadi]

Ironically this is all Radiances fault she created the moths, her fault for creating a fickle people

[olive stag]

anybody have any silksong lore to talk about

[terse wadi]

Hornet will bring hope to a kingdom

[olive stag]

i wonder what her goal will actually be

[thin ocean]

rip

[olive stag]

i'm imagining it's something along the lines of "save weavers, leave this place"

[terse wadi]

Gtfo

That bridge she was being transported on was pretty high, hence, we must play the game to get there

And the big bad will probably try to stop us

There could be a queen of Pharloom ending though

[edgy stone]

From the steam card her goal is actually learn as to why she was brought at all

[olive stag]

on the way up she'll realise the true pharloom was the friends she made along the way

[edgy stone]

Then I shall seek their Citadel. If these veiled bugs would go to such lengths to bring me here, I intend to find out why

[terse wadi]

That's sidetask B

Despite her personality, she'd be hella worried about Hallownest, she spent so much time protecting irt afteralll

[olive stag]

it's interesting to think about all the interactions she'll have, what with all the new friendly NPCs

the fact she won't be a silent protagonist is so cool

[terse wadi]

Dialogue like "No, fight me, where is X" and many more!

[olive stag]

so true

i think this will very heavily contribute to the overall atmosphere of the game too

that and all the towns + friendly npcs. will do wonders for worldbuilding

[viscid ridge]

I doubt hornet has any interest in being a ruler of a kingdom, even less a kingdom that she has no right to.

[edgy stone]

This is the reason why I think silksong is a sequel

Pre hollowknight hornet would never really waste time outside of hallownest I feel like

She still has obligations thete

[olive stag]

valid, tbh

[terse wadi]

I think the only way would be if she really bonds with someone or someones and wants to better it but I agree it's not likely

[edgy stone]

But after hollowknight the kingdom is finally laid to rest

[mental compass]

@frozen ocean little did you know.... i was LYING!!!!

[terse wadi]

agreed

[olive stag]

hornet becoming kinda "aimless" after HK would be a nice theme to explore i think

[grizzled breach]

towns with loads of npcs looks so cool

[lethal burrow]

it's funny how the main character is steamed around horns, but all the music is about strings and bells.

We need there to be a horn

[olive stag]

definitely a huge step away from hollow knight, but i really like that

a lot of game devs get scared to innovate when making a second game, but TC is getting really creative

[terse wadi]

Well, Hallownest wasd dead af, Pharloom is in trouble but not dead for from it

*far

[daring beacon]

I assume pharloom is gonna have a wyrm of its own?

[terse wadi]

Ngl, I think the downfall of both PK and Radiance was Hubris, if they just chatted and came up with a soluton it could've worked like idk make a physical form for Radiance so she wont diseappear if forgotten

[daring beacon]

Maybe its still alive?

[terse wadi]

Probably not, it's not out of the question but unlikely

[olive stag]

idk why it's assumed that civilizations in the HK universe NEED to have a wyrm

[daring beacon]

don’t all the civilisations come from wyrms? Would be cool of maybe thats whats in the big ass cocoon

[daring beacon]

aren’t all the bugs just dumb without then

[terse wadi]

Lmao no

[terse wadi]

also no

[olive stag]

nah, we have quite a few sentient bugs outside of hallownest

[terse wadi]

That's only true of bugs PK created

[olive stag]

like sack head lady (sorry i forget her name) and tiso

[tawdry flare]

PK propaganda was so good it’s fooled every HK player

[olive stag]

poor mossbag contributed to it

[terse wadi]

Nah, he created Hallownest natives

But outside bugs are sapient all their own

and ther was already Sapient tribes in Hallownest before PK arrived

Like Mantises, Moths and Deepnest

Well, it wasn't hallownest yet, but you get the point

[olive stag]

i'm curious about what silksong ants will have going for them, cause rn it just feels very similar to the mantises

(not counting the art ofc, because the ants' designs are fantastic)

[terse wadi]

Okay but Carmalita is so cool

[tawdry flare]

They’re cooler

[olive stag]

true . . .

[terse wadi]

agreed

[daring beacon]

I would be happy to see more fleshed out versions of ideas from hollow knight

[tawdry flare]

No, they’ll do that with more Hollow Knight DLC, once they’re done with Silksong DLC

[terse wadi]

the HB with creationist powers that we know of are PK, Unn, NMH, Rad

[tawdry flare]

No Mignificant Harassment? oh nightmare heart

[daring beacon]

Really when you take a step back it is clear how much of hollow knight is kinda rushed. There are basically 3 whole areas that are just variants of green path, and the kingdoms edge is just where all the random ideas they had wound up

[terse wadi]

They won't be done with Silksong DLC the game was gonna be bigger but they just decided to make DLC, we'll get DLC for years

[spark valve]

That’s maybe not the most accurate way to describe PK’s powers but otherwise sure (plus maybe lbb)

[terse wadi]

It was made on a shoestring budget

[olive stag]

the 3 whole areas being similar to greenpath is intentional. it's meant to hint at the fact greenpath was once bigger

[tawdry flare]

also 500 croissants

[terse wadi]

Mmmm, Croissants

[olive stag]

or not. idk

[terse wadi]

Being general

[daring beacon]

Or did they make up the lore to explain it?

[terse wadi]

nah, you're right

[olive stag]

i really really hate how much of a wasted potentional the sewers were. such a cool looking area and the only good thing about it is the shit guy

[terse wadi]

Ogrim is indeed best boy

[daring beacon]

yeah what even is flukemarm tbh

[terse wadi]

Fluke producer

[olive stag]

flukemarm and hive knight are so disappointing

both have a sequence that feels like it's leading to something big and then it's just... that

[daring beacon]

hive knight is cool, but I could have programmed flukemarm in Scratch in about half an hour

[olive stag]

it feels strange to me that it's all there is in the hive ... he feels like a miniboss encounter at best

[terse wadi]

I only really agree with Flukemarm, HK makes sense because he's protectuing the queen('s corpse)

Yeah, wish there was more to the hive

[olive stag]

when u put it that way it makes sense, but i just was expecting some bigger fanfare after all the traversal through the hive (which is visually one of my favorites tbh)

[terse wadi]

I feel SS will be what HK could have been if it had a budget which ss does

[daring beacon]

I honestly don’t think silksong will have anything at all that feels throwaway or underwhelming

[terse wadi]

They literally made enough to make silksong indefinantly if they wanted to

[terse wadi]

Well no, it has budget and time to flourish

Feels like a bit of an obvious statement

[olive stag]

it also seems like TC had a lot more creative freedom when making silksong

sometimes a few of the design choices in HK feel like they were made just because it's standard/expected

[terse wadi]

Hard to flex your brain muscles when you only have 60k to work with

[pine flax]

any limitations they had in hollow knight seem to originate from budget/finite resources yeah

[olive stag]

making a game is actually much more expensive than i originally thought lol

[terse wadi]

It's mostly the cost of paying everyone, even doing it on your own you need to feed yourself and keep your bills paid

[pine flax]

audience expectations arent really a restricting factor for a seldom known indie studio's passion project

[terse wadi]

On a smaller scale it's living expenses to keep working, on a larger scale it's paying 100's of employees

[olive stag]

it does feel that way for HK, though. but silksong seems to be deviating from that

[pine flax]

i don't see it

[terse wadi]

"Seldom known" this is the most wishlisted game onsteam

[pine flax]

I was talking about Hollow Knight

[terse wadi]

The only expectations they had to meet were their backers

Shame some of the later stuff didn't get funded

Some of it looked pretty cool

[olive stag]

may just be ramblings, but the fact there's a lot of ""filler"" bosses feels like a testament to that

[olive stag]

zote dlc

[pine flax]

HK's game design may seem like it adheres to what is typical simply because efficiency was such a crucial part of game development, but it absolutely deviates when necessary

[pine flax]

again, consequence of finite resources

[terse wadi]

I meant Colloseum expansion and AByss update

[olive stag]

yeah that's what i meant

[olive stag]

in silksong they're having a lot more freedom, because of money and because of their already established name in the industry. no pressure to sell when they've got 5 million wishlists

[terse wadi]

15 million copies of HK sold

[olive stag]

zote playable dlc would be the goat though

[olive stag]

if they had that money before HK was released, i'm sure it would've been a very different game

[terse wadi]

Probably

But I think the budget HK is part of its charm that it may have lost if it was heavily overfunded, but a bit more to hit all their Kickstarter goals would've been nice

[whole hawk]

Man I regret watching that mossbag video. Now I cant stop thinking about the map and how nonlinear the progression will be.

[terse wadi]

He's a prequelist so I don't watch him

[olive stag]

lol

[terse wadi]

(that's not the reason, I just haven't touched HK youtube in years)

And probably won't for a while

[vestal swan]

No need to it's all bad

[lethal burrow]

tbh now that they have all this money from the first game. They could probably just do those things anyway I doubt they would've put them as stretch goals if they did think they didn't like the idea of doing them, it's just that they literally didn't have the money I feel like

[olive stag]

he makes a lot of information easily accesible, which is pretty cool

[obsidian quail]

do u guys think we would have gotten more on the Ancient Civilization with the abyss expansion?

[olive stag]

for sure

[obsidian quail]

dammit

[terse wadi]

I mean, they could still make a nother HK DLC if they wanted to

[olive stag]

maybe the abyss wouldnt be so empty

[terse wadi]

The abyss was initially planned to be expanded upon, but it was cut

[olive stag]

what im most curious about is what they would've done for the Zote dlc

[obsidian quail]

i don’t want too much void in silk but i was the most interested in ancient civilization

and void lore

[whole hawk]

Don't be sad about the kickstarter goals. From the way the void keeps getting teased in Silksong, TC might have just gone and went and did the Abyss void boss fights themselves as a bonus.

[olive stag]

it's actually possible they'll revisit the non-backed concepts, since the colosseum was initially not funded but they added it later anyway

[obsidian quail]

what’s an example of void teaser in SS

where were the arcane eggs i think i missed them

[olive stag]

the release date being surrounded by void i think

[obsidian quail]

oh that’s true

[olive stag]

the sound effect was the same too

[vestal swan]

There's like one non-teaser... Nothing else

[terse wadi]

Arcane eggs we only know of in SS thanks to steamDB

[olive stag]

oh, really? I never heard of that

[terse wadi]

It's a badge

https://steamdb.info/app/1030300/communityitems/

[olive stag]

cool

oh the everbloom

what's up with that?

[vestal swan]

Burn it

[whole hawk]

The delicate flower is in Silksong too and outside of Sharpe and his bro in the coral area, TC have kept the "steel" faction VERY close to their chest. Like we know absolutely nothing about them outside of tengential connections Jinn said which ties them scarily close to void.

[urban sphinx]

(Trading card character spoilers) || i wonder if phantom’s weird face is supposed to be like the iconic half mask of “phantom of the opera” ||

[olive stag]

very cool connection, would've never thought about that

[terse wadi]

I mean, that's the parallel probably

Phantom of the opera, Silksong

[vestal swan]

Finally somebody else that sees the truth

Also the butt-tail thing looking like a conductor's coattails

[terse wadi]

I felt it was pretty obvious

[olive stag]

they're hunting hornet and that's all we know, really. I do love the aesthetics and all the mystery

[vestal swan]

I've brought it up repeatedly to have people shit on it so

[terse wadi]

Nah I agree with you

[foggy fractal]

should i also shit on it

[vestal swan]

I will put you in the blender

[olive stag]

ass Jim?

[terse wadi]

They're just malding because they've never seen it so they don't understand

[vestal swan]

No on this guy

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-crushing-crush-industrial-shredder-crush-machine-gif-6713561014294556263

[olive stag]

oh right, true

[terse wadi]

Waste of a perfectly good plastic skeleton

[foggy fractal]

nah the crushed powder will be used to make another skeleton

[olive stag]

that's how they make the calcium supplements

[lethal burrow]

Seems delicate

[olive stag]

does that mean lesbian lady is from pharloom? that could be interesting

sorry I forgot her name

[foggy fractal]

Zemer

[lethal burrow]

that could be very very interesting

[terse wadi]

Nah, that's how they put microplastics in our food

[vestal swan]

Nothing about pharoom seems serene

[terse wadi]

^

[vestal swan]

It's more likely that somebody else is just making use of the flower

It is a very easy to spread invasive species

[lethal burrow]

idk it seems pretty serene to me, but even then we're only seeing it in its decline.

Who knows how long it's been since zemer has been there, and memories can make things ever so Rosey.

[urban sphinx]

pharloom seems to have several of these

[terse wadi]

Ze'mier actually did a good job of keeping it pretty localized

[olive stag]

zemer looks like she belongs to the ash place, honestly

[urban sphinx]

lesbians i mean.

[vestal swan]

No?

[olive stag]

lollll

[terse wadi]

What confirmed lesbians are there

[vestal swan]

None

[terse wadi]

Pretty sure they're all speculative atm

[urban sphinx]

ari told me hornet is a lesbian

ok?

[vestal swan]

#hk-meme is down there

[olive stag]

I feel the whole "lace lesbian" is a mischaracterization, she just seems like the flirtatious kind

[vestal swan]

There's not even any flirting going on everybody's just fucking insane

Oh here's a recurring girl boss time to ship her with the MC

[lethal burrow]

Lesbians are cool though

[vestal swan]

Fanon ships arent

[terse wadi]

People really trying to push enemies to lovers

[foggy fractal]

if anything we should be shipping Hornet with

[sinful nimbus]

They have chemistry

[urban sphinx]

na na na boo boo

[lethal burrow]

Why not?

[sinful nimbus]

Much like Soul Master x Emilitia

[vestal swan]

Because I hate fanfiction with a burning passion

[terse wadi]

Honestly people who see Lace and hornets death threats as "flirting" need to be in therapy

[lethal burrow]

We have an enemy against fun and whimsy here

[terse wadi]

This does not indicate romantic interest

[vestal swan]

Elderc'ing my hate for fanfiction is so

[urban sphinx]

Well i didnt say it did !

[olive stag]

honestly that just seems like part of Lace's character. she provokes her enemies and has fun with combat, all sadistic like

[foggy fractal]

what does the C in ElderC stand for

[terse wadi]

Your comment alongside it clearly implies such

[vestal swan]

Concern

[urban sphinx]

Cug

[terse wadi]

Exactly

[molten edge]

There’s like no good reason to hate fanfiction generally though, it’s harmless fun

[olive stag]

let people hate fun

[foggy fractal]

yep Lace is dramatic af
she even does that laugh and pose when Hornet dies

[olive stag]

on all seriousness, fanfiction often misrepresents characters and distorts their personalities so ... not cool

[edgy stone]

Hornet canonically throws lace in lava, she hates that woman

[terse wadi]

I don't hate fan fiction but I do dislike shoving two characters with no chemistry together getting shipped (generally speaking)

[olive stag]

so true

[edgy stone]

Lace sufferers multiple burns and becomes twoface in silksong

[obsidian quail]

fan shipping community gets nuts no matter the franchise

[foggy fractal]

how will this affect the economy I wonder ?

[terse wadi]

I only support shipping those who show promise of actually being a good relationship

[edgy stone]

Phantom has truly fucked it

[terse wadi]

I like this headcanon that Phantom Crashed the economy

[vestal swan]

What

[terse wadi]

Also, Phantom is just French for Ghost

I think even the English word means ghost

English is just 3 languages in a trench coat

[foggy fractal]

we need ElderE (Encouragement)

[terse wadi]

[edgy stone]

Phantom kept giving out loans without anyway to actually get the money back

[terse wadi]

Bro, I got Elder of every Alphabetical letter

[edgy stone]

Phantom crashed pharlooms economy and everything went to shit

[foggy fractal]

ohhhhhh

I se

[lethal burrow]

what about Þ

[terse wadi]

That's not the Latin Alphabet

[lethal burrow]

Then what is it?

[tawdry flare]

Ð >

[lethal burrow]

I'm fairly certain that's just a currency and not an actual letter

[terse wadi]

Alright, since you want to be cheeky it's not a part of the modern Latin Alphabet

[tawdry flare]

No it’s uppercase ð

[lethal burrow]

OK, but you have to admit it does fit right in though

€£¥Ð

[terse wadi]

I saw this in a dollar store once

[digital hemlock]

more like 69

[terse wadi]

Nah, it's 3, French, Old German, and I think middle English might be some afrikaans in there toio

[digital hemlock]

that’s already 4

[terse wadi]

The first 3 make the bulk of it

[lethal burrow]

So it's like Dutch and German

[terse wadi]

Old German is very different from Modern German

[digital hemlock]

but it has words from tons more

[terse wadi]

That's because just like the British national musuem they like stealing shit over time

Kinder Bueno always unnerved me because that basically means good child

[lethal burrow]

The way I've heard it said is that English is one of the simplest and most confusing language languages.

But this has nothing to do with silk song

[terse wadi]

Few rules, many exceptions

[terse wadi]

Actually it does, this all loeads to how bugs talk in HK/j

I don't think we can call it Hallownest speak anymore

[tawdry flare]

Hollowspeak

[vestal swan]

It was never a thing

[terse wadi]

Ngl, idk if it's even a chohesive language, it's not like anyone speaks consistent words they all say different things

[foggy fractal]

probably because its all gibberish

[lethal burrow]

apparently there is some consistent language behind the weird sounds all the bugs say throughout the game, except for the Nail Smith, who says actual gibberish that's different

[terse wadi]

I would say it has more purpose than gibberish, it's not just random noises they had scripts

[lethal burrow]

whether you believe this or not is your choice, but it was said at one point

[terse wadi]

Classic Leth

[lethal burrow]

you can headcanon nail smith speaking another language if you want ig

[terse wadi]

Nah, I'll just headcanon him a s slitly senile

*slightly

[vestal swan]

There's not?

[olive stag]

where'd u get that from

[terse wadi]

The soup store

[sinful nimbus]

I believe I remember an interview where they stated they wanted some basic bug words but it was too much of a hassle getting the voice acting down so they kinda ditched the concept